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Episode 14

North and South (Guest Stars Galore!) | S1E14

We are going back to November of 1985…for something a little different - a miniseries!

Our everyman, Patrick Swayze, somehow makes us sympathetic to and even want to root for a confederate general in the tv mini series - North and South! Set before, during, and immediately after the American Civil War, North and South is based on the 1980s trilogy of novels North and South by John Jakes.

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Katie:

Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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We are going back to November

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different, a miniseries.

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And, since watching two seasons of

shows a significant time commitment,

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my guests were spared the ask today.

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So you're stuck with me.

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Our Every Man, Patrick Swayze somehow

makes us sympathetic to and even

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wanna root for a Confederate general

in the TV miniseries North and south.

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Dare I say few, if any others

could pull off such a feat.

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Now, this is set before, during, and

immediately after the American Civil War.

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I.

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it's based on the 1980s trilogy of

novels, north and South by John Jakes.

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We're only gonna be covering the first two

installments, though the:

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There was one, uh, third installment in

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Plus it was poorly received.

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So we're just gonna be

focusing on the first two.

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before we open the time capsule, I do

wanna sincerely thank you for listening

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to Retro Made or watching it on YouTube.

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it, it does really mean a lot to me,

so I'm glad that you're here and you

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can keep in touch with what's going on.

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And other fun nostalgia on

the Retro Made Facebook page.

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So head on over if you

aren't already following.

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for example, I just finished,

a series of Halloween themed

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head-to-head movie battles.

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I do also wanna hear from you, so please

reach out with feedback, what you like,

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what you don't like, what you want more

of, less of suggestions, et cetera.

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And you can reach me at

Retro Made podcast@gmail.com.

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And just as a reminder, all of these

links, that I referenced throughout

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the show, the show's information, my

guest info, and even a link to offer a

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tip if you are so generously inclined.

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those links are always in the show notes.

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If you're new to the show, welcome.

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I am a nostalgia junkie and

I hope that you are too.

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Okay, now let's open the time

capsule from November of:

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The mid eighties were great.

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I think especially like from a

TV perspective, so the Nielsen

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ratings from the 85 to 86 season,

the top shows we have, of course

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the Cosby Show, family Ties Murder.

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She wrote, cheers, Dallas and

Dynasty, the Golden Girls.

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Of course, now this is actually their

debut season and sure enough, they

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hit the top 10 in their debut season.

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It's so good you guys.

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Also Miami Vice.

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Who's the boss?

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This was one of my favorites growing up.

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I particularly love that opening scene

with Tony's blue van into pulling

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in and it seems like it was fall

too, like a perfect autumn setting.

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So he is pulling into the neighborhood and

Connecticut, this picturesque neighborhood

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Angela was like a total boss.

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She was a New York City ad exec

and I think she was even still

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in her twenties, maybe like late

twenties, maybe early thirties.

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She with a super hot Italian ex

baseball player for a housekeeper.

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Um, yes, please.

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I do feel like the show sort of imprinted

on me and my life goals subconsciously.

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So thank you.

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Who's the boss?

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I'm still waiting for my super hot

ex baseball player, housekeeper, but.

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I'll keep y'all posted.

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Okay.

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Also night court and,

just a like sad note bull.

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The, the man who plays bull in night

court, like the tall bailiff, Richard

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Mull, he just recently passed away,

so rest in peace, Richard Mall.

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But, so I think his most notable

role was bull in night court.

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highway to Heaven.

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I vaguely remember this.

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And that's the Michael Landon show.

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Kate and Allie, which we talked

about in a prior episode.

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That's the one, Jane Curtin is either Kate

or Allie, and I remember liking that show.

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I have some vague memories of that.

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Does anybody else remember Kate and Allie?

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Okay, so those were the top.

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Nielsen rated shows, but there's

some fun ones that premiered.

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So they didn't quite make the top

yet, but they premiered in:

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We have 2, 2 7, which we've talked

about growing pains, small wonder.

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You guys remember Small

Wonder What a weird show.

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there's like a robot girl.

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Girl, like she or a

cyborg or whatever she is.

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she wore this dress and

she had long brown hair.

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I can't remember her name.

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Somebody will have to remind me.

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But Small wonder.

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And then Mr.

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Belvedere, again, another the eighties.

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So we just talked about Tony

Elli being the housekeeper.

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Angela and she seemed

pretty well off, but Mr.

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Belvedere, another show Where's a

middle class family, has a housekeeper.

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This was such a theme in the

eighties and I was there for it.

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Moonlighting was also a

show that premiered in:

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I don't think I recall.

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I, I didn't ever, I wasn't a big

Dukes of Hazard person clearly,

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but I have a feeling a bunch of

the male viewers probably were.

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It ended in 1985.

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I sort of assumed it ended

long before that, but yeah, it

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went all the way until 1985.

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shall we move on to music to set the

stage for our North and south discussion?

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So we talked about Miami Vice being

in the top rated shows in primetime.

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The theme, Miami Vice theme was the number

one song this week, and again, when we

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talk about music on the show, the Top

Billboards, it's the week that the movie

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came out, or in this case, the miniseries.

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So we're talking about,

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This week, Miami Vice, the theme

song, the number one song that

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seems really strange to me.

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I feel like that doesn't happen,

but the artist is Jan Hammer.

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Or maybe it's Jan Hammer.

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Anyway, number two is Part-Time

Lover by Stevie Wonder.

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Then number three, this seems very

eighties, tears for Fears Head Over Heels.

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Great song Glen Fries,

fray Fray, or F Fry.

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Glen Fray, you Belong to The City is

number four and the number five song.

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This reminds me of the roller rink.

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You guys remember roller rinks?

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we built this city by Starship for

some reason that is hand in hand

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with the roller rink and I was

pretty little at this time, but I

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do have some vague memories of it.

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saving All My Love For You by Whitney

Houston is the number six song,

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separate Lives by Phil Collins and

Marilyn Martin is number seven.

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I dunno who Marilyn Martin is.

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Anyone I know you all all know

what the number eight song is.

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Take on me.

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The artist is Aha,

which is a strange name.

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I should have looked this up.

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I wonder if that was a one hit,

wondered, or what else they sing.

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That's a good song.

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But aha, take on me.

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Number nine is, be near me by AB, C.

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I think I listened to this.

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I wasn't familiar with it, and

it's, I didn't recognize it at all.

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It wasn't good either, so I don't know.

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Does anybody know this song?

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ABC's Be Near Me?

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And then the number 10 song is Lay

Your Hands On Me by the Thompson Twins.

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I don't really remember that particular

song, but I remember the Thompson Twins,

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some other songs that they sang also.

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Very eighties, kind of.

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There's some strange stuff

going on at this time.

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A little all over the place.

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Okay, let's talk about what was going

on in the world November,:

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US President, Ronald Bragan and the

Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev,

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meet for the very first time.

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This will, this will

come in in a minute too.

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Microsoft Windows 1.0 is released.

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85.

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Huh?

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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Do you guys remember, that

Janet Jackson and James DeBarge

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from L DeBarge were married?

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Well, it didn't last very long.

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In November of 1985, they

had their marriage alt.

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It lasted less than a year there

were some pretty awesome movies

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that were going on at the time that

were released around this time.

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I don't know if you guys have

heard of Rocky 4 19 85 in November.

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this is probably everybody around our

age's, most vivid memory, possibly

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even our favorite Rocky movie.

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From a re watchability perspective.

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Anyway, so Rocky four, amazing.

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And again, There was, the person who

was supposed to be Mikhail Gorbachev

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in, in Rocky Four, and he ends

up clapping for Rocky at the end.

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So we win the Cold War that way.

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but hey, also, if you guys are not

aware, I'm sure most of you are, but

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if you're new, I also do a show that is

completely focused on the Rocky movies.

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I'm a fake fan, my favorite movies ever.

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so I join Ryan and Kyle, some Canadians.

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They're awesome.

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We have so much fun, and

it's every two weeks.

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It's on the last of the

Action Heroes Podcast Network.

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And the show is called One More

Round, a Rocky Series podcast.

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Clever right.

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So anyway, head on over.

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If you are not ready, check us

out some other big movies from

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this time in November of 85.

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Death Wish, three.

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Jagged Edge to Live and Die in la.

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Little movie called Back to the

Future Target, not the Store.

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It was a movie, commando

and King Solomon's Minds.

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Oh, that was such a great one.

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I loved that.

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All right, so that was

what's going on in the world.

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We talked about music, we talked

about tv, what was going on?

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Hopefully I have set the stage now

for us to talk about North and South.

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So let's get into it.

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So this, like I said, this

is a little different.

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Usually we're talking about

the release date of a movie.

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But in this case it was a

miniseries and you guys remember

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miniseries being really big.

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I feel like now obviously we don't have

TV miniseries now, really, it's really

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more of, it would be like a limited

series on Netflix or something like that

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because it's six episodes per, they call

them books, but it basically season.

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There's book one and book two,

and like I said, we're not

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gonna talk about book three.

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So if I talk about book, I mean

season book, they're interchangeable.

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So there's six episodes per book

and they're 90 minute episodes.

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So it's like a little

mini movie each episode.

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And the very first episode

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And then book two was in 1986.

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So we're gonna talk

about book one and two.

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The director for season one was

Richard t Heffron and the director

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for season two is Kevin Connor.

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These might not sound familiar to you.

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They didn't to me either.

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They have a ton of TV movie directing

credits, so that's their story.

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And then the writers,

we have Douglas Hayes.

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He developed the series for TV

because like I said, it was,

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based on a, on a trilogy of books.

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Douglas Hayes is also known

for the Highwayman, Renton, tin

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McLeod, and the Maverick TV series.

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Those were from the fifties.

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I.

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I think and then the novels author John

Jakes was, also a writer on the series.

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And additionally we have Richard

Fielder and he's known for the

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TV series, the Virginian and

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.

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Okay.

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The cast is worth, okay, so if

you haven't seen North and South,

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you got to because the cast is

exceptional plus all the guest stars.

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well obviously we have r Patrick

Swayze and he plays Ori Main.

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Actually, let me jump to,

we'll come back to the cast,

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but let me jump, I'm gonna be.

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A little out of order today.

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I am gonna jump to the

description first because that

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might help, figure out the cast.

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'cause there's a lot of

players to keep track of.

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North and South is a saga that spans

over 20 years, and it tells the story

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of the enduring friendship between Ori

Maine of South Carolina, played by our

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Patrick Razzi and George Hazzard of

Pennsylvania, played by James Reed.

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They become best friends while attending

the United States Military Academy at West

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Point, but later find themselves and their

families on opposite sides of the war.

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The slave owning Maines are rural planters

from outside of Charleston, while the

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hazards who reside in a small Pennsylvania

Milltown profit from ownership of iron

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manufacturing and industry capital.

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Their differences reflect the

divisions between North and South.

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That eventually led to the Civil War.

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Now they find themselves fighting on

opposite sides of the Civil War and

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struggle to maintain their friendship

through these troubled times.

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It did win, some Emmys, I'm sorry,

it won one Emmy and was nominated

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for several others, primetime

and Emmy winner for costuming.

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And it was also nominated for

makeup, music, cinematography,

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editing, and sound editing.

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there were also two nominations,

for the Golden Globes.

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Leslie Ann down, as well as David

Carine were nominated for their

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supporting roles Golden Globes.

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Okay, let's get back to the, the cast.

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So we talked about our Patrick playing

Oma and James Reed playing George Hazard.

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James Reed.

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He also played, Michael in Beaches and

L's, dad in Legally Bond, as well as,

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Clyde Weston in Days of Our Lives and

Murphy Michaels in Remington Steel.

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I did notice that quite a few of

these actors had done some soaps.

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They're all pretty

people for the most part.

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We also have Kirsti in this.

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She plays George's sister, Virgil

and Leslie Ann down, as we just

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talked about, was nominated

for her role, for Golden Globe.

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She plays Madeline and

she's always love interest.

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I just could not get over.

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She's just stunningly

beautiful, like, just stunning.

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Beautiful.

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And at age 15, she was voted

Britain's most beautiful

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teenager, so she's a British.

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Former model and actress known for

playing in the British series upstairs,

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downstairs, which was then later a

hit on PBS here in the United States.

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And I liken that to, uh, PBS is good

about like Downton Abbey, for example,

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British show, but was on PBS here

anyway, she also played Jacqueline

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Payne Marone on the Bold and the

Beautiful, and Stephanie on Dallas.

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So she's just like super pretty.

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Also, she's British

playing a South Carolinian.

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There's another British person

playing a southerner in this.

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I find that interesting.

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Accent wise, Wendy Kilborn.

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She plays Constance George's wife.

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and she's known mostly for, for North

and South, but also playing Deon King

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on the Midnight Caller TV series.

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I've not seen that, but

I'm curious if anybody has.

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It was kind of long running, if I recall.

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Now, interestingly, so Wendy Kilborn and

James Reed, the actor who plays George.

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So they were married on the show, but

then they also met on this set and

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went on to get married in real life.

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I love those little things.

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next we have Terry Garber

playing Ashton Maine.

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She's super evil and a straight up

sociopath, but she is one of Ari's

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younger sisters, the dark haired one.

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she was also in a few soaps.

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She played, Leslie Carrington in Dynasty

and Iris Dombrowski in as the World Turns.

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The other little sister.

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So Ori is like significantly older.

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Like he's off to West Point and

is so whatever age that is, like

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18 and 19, 20, however old he is.

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And he has five-year-old sisters,

five, seven year old sisters.

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So there's a pretty big age gap.

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But anyway, so Jeannie Francis

plays Brett, Maine, the other little

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sister, and she's like the nice one.

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Nice and sweet one also.

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Blonde and Brett.

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Yes, Brett is a girl.

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I don't know, this must have been a, a

southern thing because the only other

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Brett that I know that's female is

Brett Butler from Grace Under Fire.

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Anybody watch that show?

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Anyway?

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I would also like to point out that this

is very typical, so the nice sweet blonde

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one, and then the evil dark-haired one.

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Go figure.

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and then we have Philip Kassoff

playing El Cana bent, and he

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is Ori and George's nemesis.

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You guys ever heard of

the name Elena before?

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I have not.

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Maybe this is like a southern

thing or an old timey thing.

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He's mostly referred to as just

bent his last name, or LEL.

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but he, so Philip Castoff,

the man who plays him.

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He also played Frank Sinatra in

in the tv, miniseries Sinatra.

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He was also the chief of staff in

the strong Medicine SE TV series,

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which I am not familiar with, but

you will have heard of this probably.

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Who watched the TV series, Oz?

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Really good.

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he played Nikolai Stanislavsky in

that show, so that's maybe where

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you would know Philip Kassoff from.

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I know there's like a ton of

characters, so please stay with me.

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You guys 'cause it.

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They, these are all the main cast.

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There's a lot like, it's a

saga spans over 20 years and

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so there's a lot of characters.

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we have Louis Smith playing

Charles Maine, Ori cousin.

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He's known for his roles in the

Adventures of Buckaroo, bonsai,

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Southern Comfort, and Wyatt Earp.

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Now, Louis Smith plays Charles in only

the first season because, no, I'm sorry.

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The first two seasons apparently, like

I said, I didn't watch the third one,

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but apparently Kyle Chandler takes over

the role in the third installment in

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94, and you all recognize Kyle Chandler.

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We have John Stockwell playing Billy

Hazzard, George's younger brother.

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He's known for playing Cougar in Top Gun

and Dennis in John Carpenter's Christine.

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So he's a very familiar actor.

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And but he was only in the first

installment as Billy, and he was

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replaced in the second season by Parker

Stevenson, you know, the Hardy Boy.

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And he was also married at

the time to Kirsty Alley, who

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plays Virginia in the show.

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There's a lot of that, which

we'll get to, but it's fun.

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I love all the relationships that

kind of stem from the, from the show.

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You all know who David Carradine is?

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I assume so.

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He's like really good

at playing like an evil.

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Bad guy.

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He plays Justin Lamott, the

sadistic husband of Madeline.

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And then we have Jean

Simmons, JEAN Simmons.

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So a woman.

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She plays Ore's mother, Clarissa Main, and

she's another Britt known for her roles

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in GE and Dolls, Spartacus and Hamlet.

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And then George's mother, Maude Hazzard

is played by Angus s Swensen, and I

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think you guys might, recognize her.

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She, if anybody watched the show, Benson,

she's known for her role in that playing.

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Miss Gretchen, ENA Kraus, and

apparently, so that's a German person.

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She's not German, but apparently

she played that role so well that

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people thought she was German.

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She was also, Played Ingrid in the TV

show soap, and then I recognized her

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because she's in an episode of The

Golden Girls as Rose's Sister Holly.

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Then we have just a couple more.

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Olivia Cole as mom.

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Sally.

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I don't know if I am.

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It's MAUM.

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It's pronounced mom Sally, but

it, I don't know if it's Maum mom.

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I'm not really sure.

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But she's, she plays

Madeline's Ladies Maid.

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Yeah, that's like right

her right hand person.

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I think if that's called Ladies Maid.

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She's known for her Emmy-winning

role as Matilda in another very

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famous miniseries called Roots.

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Anybody?

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Anybody?

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Yeah.

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She won an Emmy for that and she also

played, miss Sophie in Brewster's Place.

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Brewster Place TV series.

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And then we have yet

another stunning beauty.

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Erica Gimple, she played semi ramus,

a very strange name, semi ramus.

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and she's known for playing Coco in fame

and she has tons of other TV credits.

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she's a familiar face at any rate,

like she played Trish from God friended

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me, detective Harriet Morrow in the

Young and the Restless, and she was

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in, a recurring role in ER as Adele

Newman, angel Brown in Profiler.

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So that's Erica Gimple.

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And then rounding out kind of our

main cast is Jim Metzler, and he

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plays James Pontoon Ashton's husband.

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He's in a ton of stuff also,

but nothing super recognizable.

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So that's our main cast.

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Now, I think partly a reason to watch

this too is everybody wanted to be in

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this TV show or this mini series, sorry.

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The guest stars are out of this

swirl, like literally everyone,

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like the most forced Whitaker.

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A young, very young, Forrest

Whitaker, Morgan Fairchild, Elizabeth

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Taylor, James Stewart, I think

this was actually his last role.

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James Stewart, Linda Evans,

Wayne Newton, Hal Holbrooke.

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Hal Holbrooke played, president Lincoln.

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In this, we also have Johnny Cash, Ron

O'Neill, Kurt Wood Smith, Lloyd Bridges,

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Nancy Marchand, Robert Mitchum, Jean

Kelly James Reborn, Robert Gilliam.

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He's Benson.

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that's who I don't am,

am I saying it right?

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Gii Gimm, someone help me out.

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. But anyway, he plays

Benson, that's who he is.

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And then Olivia de Haveland.

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So those are like, there's

tons of other ones too.

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But those are the ones that I thought

you guys would, resonate most with.

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And then, I have to call out the score.

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It's Bill Conte.

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I didn't know that

until I'm rewatching it.

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The Academy Award winner

from Rocky Bill Conte.

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And I will say just on that point, and

maybe it's because I knew it was Bill

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Conte, but there were a few times when

I'm like, oh, that's very Rocky esque.

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you know, it's that just

the style of Bill Conte.

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So the cast and the guest stars,

like I said, it's amazing.

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Everybody wanted to be a part of this.

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Now, usually I talk about, like

the budget and the box office, but

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obviously this being a TV miniseries,

that's not really the case.

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But I did read that the production

took two years and $25 million.

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I'm not sure if that two years

was just for book one or if it

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was for the first two books.

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I kind of think book

one, it took two years.

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I mean, it's a period piece.

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you know, like all the costuming, all

the sets, all the, you know, the, I just

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feel like, yeah, getting all of those

people aligned the right, there's a lot

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to do for a project of this caliber.

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so yeah, I guess that kind of makes sense.

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Now if you're wondering how

you can watch this, like I was.

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I was jazzed because I

found, some streamer.

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I was like, sweet.

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It's on this streamer.

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It's not.

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It shows the artwork and all of

the details of the:

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with, you know, the cast and

everything and the, like I said, the

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artwork of it, but you press play.

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It took me a minute to be like, 'cause

I hadn't seen it in a while, so I

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was like, oh, maybe, I don't know.

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Maybe we're getting, maybe this

is the setup to get to the, where

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we are in the Civil War era.

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No, no, no.

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It's actually the 2004 remake,

which is a British version of this.

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So whatever streamer this is, I

can't remember which one it was.

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They loaded the wrong version in

error, Now how I did watch this is I

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requested it from my handy dandy library.

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Libraries are awesome.

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People use them.

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Mine's a historic building.

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So it's, it's pretty cool.

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Anyway, I go there all the time

and so I requested these DVDs.

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I do everything online.

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There's a portal and I do this.

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If there, if time allows and I'm like

either covering a movie for the show or

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I'm guessing on someone else's show and I

can't find the movie on a streamer or it's

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one that I don't have a subscription to.

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If time allows, I will

request ADVD from library.

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You know, it takes a minute.

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'cause they usually have to

get it from another library and

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then delivered and then it's on

the hold shelf waiting for me.

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So that's how I watch this

library DVDs, guys, I.

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I hadn't seen it since the nineties, and

that's probably the only time I saw it.

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I, I do not think that I watched it

when it was originally on a, b, c.

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It's, it's first run in the mid

eighties, but I remember it vividly

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because, we watched it in history class

when we were covering the Civil War.

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Shout out to Mrs.

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Kush.

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I don't remember if it was like,

when, when you learn about the Civil

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War here, eighth grade, 10th grade

some, I, I can't really remember, but

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I do, we obviously didn't watch the

whole thing 'cause it's crazy long.

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But I do remember watching it.

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And just on that point, it was the

best when they rolled the TV in,

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like there was like a cart with a

big square box TV strapped to this

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cart with the VCR, not even ADVD, but

the VCR rolled into your classroom.

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You, you in for a treat.

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Didn't have to do

anything, just kicked back.

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I loved that, so thanks Mrs.

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Kush.

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Alright, so North and South, like

I said, it's spans like 20 years.

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we opened in 1842 on Mont Royal Plantation

as Ori is about to head off to West

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Point and or Ori and George meet when,

so Ori is now in New York about to catch

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a train, to West Point and he gets in a

fight with people there and that's how

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they meet George steps in to help Ori

and they're instant friends from then on.

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even though they come from different

worlds, like I said, or is from

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South Carolina and George is from

Pennsylvania, so north and south.

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They come from different worlds and

have extremely different viewpoints

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on a, on important matters of the day.

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So they're at odds a lot.

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But like I said, this, this is

the enduring friendship story.

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probably the best enduring

friendship story I've ever seen.

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It's, it's pretty good.

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Now you have to hate some people

because, well, there's a lot to

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hate about just this time period.

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But there are four characters that I

wanted to point out in particular that

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I don't know about you guys, but I

like when you just despise something

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or someone, like somebody says

something so despicable or they're so

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unlikable, you like, turn your note.

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Like I literally squint my eyes.

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Do you guys do that, Sue?

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Anyway, there's four characters that

I squinty eye at Ashton, Maine, the

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dark haired little sister of Ori.

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She is.

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Just, she's a sociopath.

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Even like, 'cause we see her as a little

girl and she's just a mean little bitch

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just for the fun of it throughout this.

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So we hate her.

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We hate her.

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So, good job for, what is her name?

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Terry Garber.

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Good acting.

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Terry actually.

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All of these actors.

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good job acting because I buy it.

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I bought it like I hated these people.

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The other one, well another

one is Justin Lamont.

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So he's David Rein's character who is just

good at playing like super skis, villains.

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So, originally Justin Lamont,

he is, we're shown him to be

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Madeline's father's friend.

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But then he's totally angling.

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It's, it's gross, right?

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'cause he is like her dad's age.

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That, that's just the way

that it was apparently.

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So he's angling 'cause he wants

to marry her and she does, at the

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behest of her father marries this.

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Justin Lamont, even though

she's in love with Ori.

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Justin is just vile.

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Like again, like I said,

like squinty eye at him.

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He, he has this predatory vibe,

you know, people like that.

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And it proves out because

he rapes his own wife.

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'cause she's unwilling.

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and he says things like, know your place.

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A mind seems hardly necessary

when one has the face of an angel.

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Ew.

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Like he purposely gets his wife

addicted to, lanu, which it's

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like totally a thing up this time.

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It's basically opium

just to keep her in line.

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Like I need her to be more yeah, to

keep know your place, be just happy

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and pleasant and have no brain so

that he gets her hooked to opium.

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:

Mm-Hmm.

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, he also beats his slaves and

wants to secede from the union.

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So he has zero redeeming qualities.

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:

This Justin, additionally on the

same vein, Salem Jones, I like Ew.

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He's just gross and slovenly

to look at in the first place.

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:

So who he is in this is, it's,

first of all, that's a great name.

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Salem Jones.

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But he's a shit character.

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He is hired by ore's father as the,

as like an overseer of the plantation

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:

or of the slaves because so, or he's

father is probably getting up there

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:

in age and or he's off at, west Point.

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So he needs somebody to, I

don't know, handle things.

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:

So this Salem Jones guy is hired and he

is a disgusting excuse for a human being.

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:

He takes pleasure.

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:

In beating and raping the slaves.

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:

And like I said, he's just like

gross and slovenly to look at too.

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Ugh.

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:

and then our final like super

irredeemable person is Elena bent.

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Now this guy, great acting because

he just, he, so, okay, he gives

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off this major like spoiled little

rich kid throwing a tantrum energy.

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:

So a picture of that type of person.

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:

We all know them.

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There's some famous ones in power.

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he is just like this ego

tripping when we first meet him.

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Anyway, ego tripping.

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West Point instructor with George

and Ori, I think he's an instructor.

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Either that or he's like a class or

two ahead of Orian George and gets

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real pissy because Ori shows him

up and he's, like I said, he's just

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like spoiled little rich kid energy.

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It's gross.

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And then later . In the show, he

goes on to plot against his own side,

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which is the south, to overthrow

their, he's like trying to overthrow

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:

their president, Jefferson Davis.

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:

So that's who all Kana bent is.

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He's a ski, like, he's

just constantly scheming.

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he uses women left and right.

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:

yeah, he ends up having an affair with or

he's sister, the sociopathic one Ashton.

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So they scheme together.

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It's, so that's there.

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So those people are irredeemable.

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:

just kind of setting

the stage for that then.

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:

Okay, so then we're kind

of shown after West Point.

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Then there's the war with

Mexico and Oregon gets injured.

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So this is 1847.

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He gets in injured there.

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:

And then for the whole rest of the series,

he's Like limps and he walks with a cane.

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:

So for the rest of his life, and we

see George and Ori go into business

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together using iron from George's Mill

to run a cotton mill in South Carolina.

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You know, so this is kind of a new

that's not really been done before, is

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to have their own mill in South Carolina.

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So they go into business together

on one condition, no slave labor.

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Now.

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Now we talked about Billy and

Charles, so George's little

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brother, Billy and Charles.

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ore's cousin.

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:

So, you know, after a certain

period of time, they are now kind

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:

of the new generation at West Point.

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They're best friends,

in West Point together.

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:

And you know, by this time we see that

the families, the mains and the hazards,

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they've grown to be pretty close.

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They like visit each other pretty often

in Pennsylvania and South Carolina.

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And this is like horse and buggy,

like not the next state over.

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I mean, it's a whole ordeal.

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So they, they go to visit

and stay for a long time.

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So the families are very close now.

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In fact, Billy, who is a Northerner,

Pennsylvania, ends up marrying

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Brett, from South Carolina.

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Brett again, just as a reminder, is ORs

little sister, the blonde, nice one.

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:

And that ends up causing issues

for them as you could imagine.

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:

Uh, we have a married couple in North

and south, so during the Civil War.

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We see them run into this

kind of thing quite often.

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You know, if you're in South Carolina, you

know, oh, a Yankee or if you're in North,

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:

like how dare you marry a Southerner?

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:

so vice versa.

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:

and then George marries Constance and like

I said, so they're northerners and they're

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:

against slavery, obviously, and George's

wife even keeps a room in their house

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:

for Escapees on the Underground Railroad.

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So that's pretty cool.

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:

We like, yeah, they're in Pennsylvania

and they're very well to do, obviously.

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:

So.

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:

Yes.

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Now both there are scenes where both

Ori and George, they're best friends

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:

from different sides, and then Billy

and Charles, the younger generation,

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best friends from different sides, I.

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:

In both cases, they come face to

face in battle on opposite sides.

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:

So that's like a real, that's really

interesting that we see that in

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:

this series and how they handle that

because they're supposed to fight

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:

each other, but obviously they're

not gonna kill their best friends.

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:

So we see them in many instances,

kind of make exceptions, and, and

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:

we see them while on the whole are

fighting against the other side.

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:

The reality is they see them.

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:

It's, it's the humanity

in their friendship.

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:

And, and if you see somebody as

an individual, it's very different

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:

than, you know, just the other side.

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:

It's you might be on the other side,

but you're, you're still my best

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:

friend and I see good in you, even

though we differ in our viewpoint.

621

:

So that is a theme, that is.

622

:

Throughout the whole series.

623

:

And it, that's kind of the beautiful

part of, of the series in my opinion.

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:

'cause there's a lot to dislike about

just that time period in our history.

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:

Right.

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:

the other thing that I don't recall,

I do not remember this, I didn't

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:

know this was a thing at all.

628

:

This is historical fiction, but I think,

you know, it's, it's historical fiction.

629

:

So I'm kind of assuming that this was

actually the case in, in some cases.

630

:

But there were field hospitals, I'm

sure we've all learned all about

631

:

the field hospitals and read books.

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:

I mean, just the horrors

that happened at this.

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:

So this level of fighting where

it's I dunno if it's a musket or

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:

a rifle, but it's the, those guns

with the oh, there's a name for 'em.

635

:

Like the like sword thing on the end.

636

:

Shoot, the name is escaping me.

637

:

You guys, what's the name

of the, those gun things?

638

:

Anyway, so that's what they're fighting

with and there's just these two

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:

sides marching towards each other,

shooting and stabbing each other,

640

:

like just that's the level of war.

641

:

There were some canons too, but

it just, the ugliness of that

642

:

and the sheer, like bloody brutal

nature of it is on full display.

643

:

that's just how they fought then.

644

:

But, so there were these field

hospitals trying to do what they could.

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:

and like tons of limb loss.

646

:

We actually see a scene where gie like

later in the, in the series is a nurse,

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:

like she joins the nurses corps, and

she's in these field hospitals and

648

:

she's put in a number of precarious.

649

:

Situations.

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:

but they were shown the way that

they, like if somebody was, they're

651

:

either gonna bleed out or, or

they put this clamp on a limb.

652

:

So like basically to lose the limb,

but so that the person doesn't bleed

653

:

out and it's, ugh, it's just gross.

654

:

Like I, this kind of stuff, ugh,

gives me the heebie-jeebies.

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:

So anyway, I didn't know that these

field hospitals treated both sides,

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:

or maybe they didn't all, but what

we're shown is this particular field

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:

hospital that she volunteers at or

works at, I think maybe she does get

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:

paid, but they have to treat both sides.

659

:

So they can't favor either

the north or the south.

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:

They have to treat soldiers from

the Confederacy and the union.

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:

And so, as I was mentioning Virgil, who.

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:

She's super outspoken.

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:

This is Kirsty Ali's character.

664

:

She's George's sister.

665

:

She's very outspoken.

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:

I just love, like, this is probably who

I would be because, like at this time,

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:

like I, I wouldn't just be in my place.

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:

I'm very opinionated and I would have,

I am now like things that are so obvious

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:

to me that are immoral or wrong, but

it, you know, just because something

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:

is a societal norm, like in this case,

slavery was, doesn't make it right.

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:

And she points that out

and everybody's okay, okay.

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:

simmer down virgie, like, you know,

women know your place, blah, blah.

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:

But she doesn't, and I love that

she, in fact, is so outspoken.

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:

She, even as a woman, she goes

to, she, you know, she's, she's

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:

joining this abolition abolitionist

movement and gives speeches.

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:

And so she's kind of, well-known well, she

ends up marrying . Helping escape Grady,

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:

a slave from, I think South Carolina.

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:

Anyway, they go up north, they get

married like this is in the 18 hundreds.

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:

So it's, but, but unfortunately he dies.

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He gets, he gets killed.

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:

so after that she joins

the n the nurse's choir.

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:

And she hates, like she, we've seen over

time because their families are friends,

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:

but she and Ori are always at odds.

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:

They're always kind of at each other.

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:

So she really despises Ari's way of life.

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:

But he ends up at her field hospital and

you know, she's able to put that aside.

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:

She knows him personally.

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:

It's her brother's best friend, and

it is her duty as this, as this nurse.

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:

So she treats him at the hospital.

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:

She kind of has to, but then he's

a general by this time, so both.

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:

Many years have passed during, so

we're in the Civil War, that's 20 years

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:

after we first meet them at West Point.

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:

And they're both generals now on opposite

sides, which is a huge deal, right?

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:

So Ori is at this hospital and they wanna

keep him, they wanna make sure that once

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:

he's well enough, like once he's treated,

that they can take him as a prisoner.

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:

And so, Virgil, even though she despises

him, kind of, she treats him at the

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:

hospital and helps him escape before

he is taken to the prisoner camp.

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:

So Virgil is a really, really

interesting character in this.

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:

And, she has a sad, outcome.

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:

I won't spoil it in case anybody

want, wants to watch, but

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:

Virgil is a, a great character.

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:

Also just wanted to point out Kirsti.

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:

This is 1985 Kirsti.

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:

She's beautiful.

705

:

She's just, I mean, yeah, she, she looks

really good kirsti in this, in this.

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:

So, you know, the self does end

up surrendering as we know.

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:

But even prior to that, I, which I, I

don't know, I guess, I don't recall the

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:

order of things, but before the South

surrendered Lincoln, his, emancipation

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:

proclamation, I can't remember the

timing of it, but it was before the South

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:

surrendered at, at any rate, so many

of the slaves are getting word of this,

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:

and so they can leave, like they now are

free to leave if they, if they want to.

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:

We do see in some cases, like.

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:

Like Ezra and Semi Ramus who were

slaves at Monte Royal, at the Mains.

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:

The mains were at quote

unquote nice to their slave.

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:

Like they weren't brutal.

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:

Like we see a lot.

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:

I, I mean it's, those things shouldn't

go in the same sentence, but they sort

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:

of, by this time have kind of developed

into a family unit with the remaining,

719

:

or so it's, it's the mother and the

sister-in-Law and the sister Brett

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:

.

It's just them.

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:

It's just like three women.

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:

And then Ezra and Sammy Ramus.

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:

So they have kind of formed this family

'cause the men are off fighting in

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:

the war and the rest of the slaves

at Mount Royal do decide to leave.

725

:

So they, they leave and remember though,

and we're shown this in, in the series,

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:

there's really nowhere for, so they get

freedom, but now they're sort of refugees.

727

:

and that comes into play because,

Madeline ends up being kind of

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:

like, she runs like a refugee camp.

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:

she helps fund it, find supplies and food

and everything to help, mostly women and

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:

children because also by this time in the

north, I think just in the north, yeah.

731

:

So the north was like, great, you know,

again, like n nobody comes out squeaky

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:

clean here, but the north is oh great.

733

:

we need soldiers.

734

:

So now they're like all these freed

slaves, they're like, come be in our army.

735

:

So it's a bunch of women and

children, kind of all around that

736

:

are left fending for themselves.

737

:

So.

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:

Madeline again, she's very, she's

the beautiful love interest of Ori,

739

:

and so she, we see her help them.

740

:

but like I said, so e Ezra and semi ramus

were slaves at Mount Royal and the Maines

741

:

even give them a plot of land that, so

they can all like to stay at Mont Royal.

742

:

They're like, you can have, you know,

which, you know, which is nice, but it's

743

:

like, it's kind of the least you could do.

744

:

so they all kind of

are living as a family.

745

:

We see them, there's a

scene towards the end.

746

:

It's, it's sad, but it's quite

lovely as well that they're

747

:

all having dinner together.

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:

Like they, they are

all living as a family.

749

:

And so there is a super

unfortunate event towards the end.

750

:

I won't spoil that in particular, but

it has to do with like the, the di

751

:

the dinner scene and what happens.

752

:

I won't spoil that, but

it's very unfortunate.

753

:

but in the end we do get a happy

ending because in the end, after

754

:

all of that, like the ending scene,

George, so everybody's back home, the

755

:

war's over, the men are back home.

756

:

George Reinvests in the Cotton Mill

that they had started long ago, and

757

:

there's a scene at the beginning

kind of when they first meet and talk

758

:

about going into business together.

759

:

George, like rips a, I think it's a $10

bill in half, like as a bet sort of.

760

:

And then they each take the half of the

$10 bill, which that was probably like,

761

:

I don't know, kind of a lot of money.

762

:

$10 back in the 18 hundreds.

763

:

Anyway, they've each kept the half

in their wallets for over 20 years,

764

:

and they pro proclaim that not only.

765

:

I mean, they have had, we see a lot of

up and downs within their friendship.

766

:

You know, they're on

opposite sides of the war.

767

:

And George especially, really, I mean

obviously he has a really hard time.

768

:

He's my best friend,

his family owns slaves.

769

:

Like what?

770

:

You know?

771

:

But we see somehow, like I said,

somehow we are sympathetic to Orain

772

:

because it's Patrick Swayze probably.

773

:

But they proclaim at this point,

after all they've been through,

774

:

they are not, not only are they

still best friends, they're family.

775

:

And I know this, that sounds, like kind

of a throwaway thing, like very movie

776

:

esque, but this mini series that's really

the heart of it and the beauty of it.

777

:

Is especially men, like two military

macho men, and we're shown like

778

:

they love each other as brothers.

779

:

Like they're not afraid to show it.

780

:

And I don't know, I know there's other

movies and stuff about like enduring

781

:

friendships and stuff like that,

but this is, this is a really good

782

:

example and it's shown really well.

783

:

Again, I think it's, I mean, Patrick

Swayze, it's Patrick Swayze, but the

784

:

guy who plays George is pretty good too.

785

:

And so that's the beauty of the

series is their enduring friendship.

786

:

Obviously there's also, you know,

there's people stabbing each other

787

:

in the back, metaphorically, I guess,

and literally, we have love stories.

788

:

there's a lot here and, I.

789

:

I don't know.

790

:

I just really love that they're,

we do get a happy ending.

791

:

And the other thing that I wanted

to, okay, those of you who know

792

:

me both in real life and on the

podcast, like it's evident that

793

:

humans are not my favorite species.

794

:

I'm always like, I'm like,

oh, animals are better.

795

:

I like, five people.

796

:

I mean, it's kind of a joke, but really

like we are, myself included, we are

797

:

just kind of a despicable species.

798

:

And I could not help but notice as I'm

rewatching this movie, I'm sorry, this

799

:

mini series made in the mid eighties,

so like almost 40 years ago, about

800

:

a time period from the 18 hundreds.

801

:

So, you know, from before the Civil war

time to the time this mini Sears we've

802

:

made almost 40 years ago to now in 2023.

803

:

I just kept noticing all the themes

that are shown about how wild it

804

:

is that things just never seem to

change in terms of us as a society.

805

:

We see the same parallels again

and again, and again and again

806

:

play out throughout history.

807

:

I'm curious if, if those of you

who have seen this or re-watch it

808

:

and let me know, but like what?

809

:

It's just glaringly obvious, the

attitudes towards war, our viewpoints

810

:

about other people, how we put certain

classes, or, you know, whatever it is,

811

:

like however we define someone other

than us, like just the viewpoints and

812

:

how we're able to other them and, and

therefore rationalize our treatment.

813

:

of someone that we consider other,

our seeming inability to learn

814

:

from historical mistakes like come

on society, get with the program.

815

:

Greed for money and power.

816

:

Boy, isn't that just the ultimate?

817

:

But it's over and over again.

818

:

attempts to rationalize against progress.

819

:

This is a big one for me too.

820

:

Like the, what we're seeing in

North and South is, Ori, he tries

821

:

to convince his father to modernize.

822

:

And he says, like a quote from

the series is, we can't ignore

823

:

progress or will be left behind.

824

:

But we see over and over and over

again that certain pe there's

825

:

this fight against progress.

826

:

There's also the ability to forego

basic human decency and individual

827

:

thought in the name of one's in-group.

828

:

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

829

:

And then, and I get, and like I'm

putting myself in the, like the average

830

:

person just seeming to only care

about the portion, the small portion

831

:

of an issue that personally affects

them rather than maybe what we should

832

:

be thinking about the greater good.

833

:

Or in some cases like taking

one for the team, so to speak.

834

:

So in north and South we see that

northerners both look down on the

835

:

Southerners for owning slaves,

but also the thing that they take

836

:

most issue with is the monetary

aspect, not the moral aspect.

837

:

and we see this time and

time again in history.

838

:

So like for example, like

the slave labor laws.

839

:

The slave labor allows the Southerners

to undercut prices that impacts the

840

:

Northerners ability to compete, even

though they're exploiting immigrant labor,

841

:

but it's, they still pay them something.

842

:

well, but thankfully though, there are

always people, like a small percentage

843

:

of people in any society, thankfully,

you know, that small percentage of the

844

:

population who really do stand up on moral

grounds, like in this series IL does.

845

:

Sorry, that's like such a big fat

bummer, but it's just so glaring to me.

846

:

And I'm curious if, I'm, I'm

curious to hear what you all thought

847

:

when you watched it, I guess like

just perhaps rewatching it now.

848

:

Especially, you know, a lot of

those things stand out, but let's

849

:

turn that big fat bummer around by

talking about how hot Patrick is.

850

:

you guys knew that was coming, I'm sure,

but I mean, for real though, we get a,

851

:

a southern accent from Patrick Swayze.

852

:

'cause he plays a South

Carolinian, is that how you say it?

853

:

Now Patrick is originally from Texas,

but I don't think he has like an accent.

854

:

I don't notice him in

other movies like he does.

855

:

He seems to not have an accent, but

Texas and South Car, Carolina, even if

856

:

he did have an accent, would be very

different from a South Carolina accent.

857

:

Anyway, we get a nice

little accent from Patrick.

858

:

we also get a ton of him

:

859

:

So that's 12 mini movies within

this mini series of Patrick Swayze.

860

:

Yes, please.

861

:

It was just a delight.

862

:

I mean, despite the content of the series,

but Patrick was very nice to look at.

863

:

of course we see him as the hero

in many scenarios in this series.

864

:

And he's, even with the cane, like

he's got a limp, like he's not.

865

:

Fully able-bodied, but he's

still able to be the hero.

866

:

Of course, it's Patrick Swayze, you guys.

867

:

let's see.

868

:

Oh, a super sensual love scene.

869

:

Okay, so this is TVPG and somehow

Patrick is, is able to pull

870

:

that off even in a PG version.

871

:

I think I'm officially anointing

this man as the king of love scenes.

872

:

Now that I'm thinking about it.

873

:

I, I'll put out that as a challenge.

874

:

Is there another actor who's better

at love scenes than Patrick Swayze?

875

:

He also does it like he'll kick some ass

and then have the most amazing love scene.

876

:

So I mean also just, to jog your

memory for the challenge that I

877

:

just put out there, in addition to

this one with Ori Maine and Madeline

878

:

Dirty Dancing and Roadhouse, they're,

they're probably to the best and

879

:

they're both set to Otis Rudd music.

880

:

I mean, come on.

881

:

And then of course, we just covered

the clay pottery scene in Ghost Patrick

882

:

just oozes sex appeal and sensuality.

883

:

Let me know.

884

:

Do you agree?

885

:

You should.

886

:

If not, like I said, I challenge you.

887

:

Who is better at sex scenes,

love scenes than Patrick Swayze?

888

:

I buy it.

889

:

I fully buy it.

890

:

Whew.

891

:

All right.

892

:

As I've talked about, but I do wanna just

like in conclusion, reiterate that the

893

:

heart of this series, this sounds corny,

but it's beautiful, like the beauty of

894

:

George and Ore's enduring friendship.

895

:

And there's a few quotes that I found

particularly fitting, in addition to

896

:

that, just in terms of what people

might be feeling or dealing with.

897

:

Now.

898

:

George is saying this about Ori when

he's struggling with their friendship.

899

:

So I feel like that is

happening a lot now too.

900

:

We struggle with family and friends

that seem to be, just like on such a

901

:

different level or different viewpoint

on stuff going on in the world right now.

902

:

So George says this about Ori.

903

:

He says, how can I oppose everything

he stands for and still be his friend?

904

:

He does.

905

:

We see.

906

:

But, but yeah, I mean that just, I, I

found that really, I guess, prescient

907

:

for the times that we're in right now.

908

:

So thought I, I thought

I would point that out.

909

:

Additionally, Abraham Lincoln says, will

the South be allowed to take by violence?

910

:

What they could not win in an election?

911

:

Also thought that was prescient

for the times we're in right now.

912

:

Okay, so there's some trivia that I

thought you guys might be interested in.

913

:

I always like the trivia.

914

:

I hope you guys do too.

915

:

Anyway, let me know.

916

:

So, okay, so this first installment, 1985.

917

:

Apparently it remains the seventh

highest rated mini series in TV history.

918

:

I remember there were a lot

of miniseries back in the day.

919

:

I think Roots was probably up there,

probably, maybe like maybe the number one.

920

:

I also loved this to prepare

for the role of George Hazzard.

921

:

James Reed spent several weeks at

Patrick Swayze's Horse Ranch, where

922

:

Swayze taught Reed how to ride.

923

:

I thought that was awesome.

924

:

just 'cause Patrick can do everything.

925

:

But also there's a lot of horse

riding in this, like again, it's

926

:

horse and buggies and they're riding

around like in battle on horses.

927

:

Everywhere they go,

they're traveling by horse.

928

:

So I thought it was really

interesting that James Reed didn't

929

:

know how to ride a horse beforehand.

930

:

so that was cool.

931

:

And then I touched on this a little bit,

but filming of this mini series resulted

932

:

in four count them, four marriages in

real life amongst the cast and crew.

933

:

so we already talked about James Reed

and Wendy Kilborn, who, I think they're

934

:

still married today, but they played a

married couple opposite each other, and.

935

:

They got married in 1988 and

have two children, and I think

936

:

they're still married today.

937

:

then we have Jonathan Franks and Janie

Francis, who had previously played

938

:

opposite each other on a failed NBC soap

pera called Bear Essence from:

939

:

but they kind of remet on this set.

940

:

And they also married in 1988.

941

:

Leslie Ann down who plays the gorgeous

Madeline, she married the assistant

942

:

cameraman cameraman, Dawn e Font.

943

:

Laroi in 1986.

944

:

I would like to see what he looks like.

945

:

I, I hope he's like a dreamy

dude, 'cause she's gorgeous.

946

:

now I found this really interesting.

947

:

So they met, when they were both

married to other people, obviously they

948

:

obtained divorces to marry each other.

949

:

And then Terry Garber.

950

:

Married, screenwriter, Chris Hager, whom

she met in:

951

:

on the set of North and South Book two.

952

:

They had a daughter named Molly in

:

953

:

I also think I touched on, so James

Stewart, he plays, he plays a lawyer

954

:

in this and it was actually his

final onscreen onscreen performance.

955

:

I thought that was really interesting.

956

:

Now this is juicy, you guys.

957

:

I don't know.

958

:

It's gossipy, but, okay.

959

:

So according to Kirsty Alley in

her memoir, oh, I just now realize

960

:

that they're both deceased.

961

:

That's so sad.

962

:

Christie's memoir.

963

:

And in it she says that she and

Patrick Swayze actually fell in

964

:

love during the filming of this.

965

:

They, but they were both married to other

people and did not cheat on their spouses.

966

:

So it's, yeah, I mean, I

guess that that's true.

967

:

I mean, it's sort of parallel to the

situation that, Ori and Madeline were in

968

:

for such a long time because they're in

love for so long, and then they do finally

969

:

end up getting to be with each other.

970

:

But obviously, I mean, that I

can, I, I guess I can buy it.

971

:

And I also love that they did not cheat.

972

:

They recognized there was a spark

there, something there, and I don't know

973

:

however they went on to deal with it.

974

:

But, yeah.

975

:

What do you guys think?

976

:

Do you think it's true?

977

:

What do you think?

978

:

I, please let me know.

979

:

You can email me.

980

:

You can comment on this episode

on Facebook or on YouTube.

981

:

hey, speaking of.

982

:

Do you follow on Facebook?

983

:

Do did you subscribe to Retro

Made on your podcast app?

984

:

let's see.

985

:

Are you subscribed on YouTube?

986

:

All of the things.

987

:

Alright, I think that about covers it.

988

:

Have you guys seen North and South?

989

:

Did you watch it in

history class like I did.

990

:

Let me know if you haven't.

991

:

It is quite good.

992

:

Oh, one of the things I didn't tell

tell you about that I forgot to

993

:

mention, it's got an 8.0 on IMDB.

994

:

Both books.

995

:

I think maybe only the thing was higher.

996

:

So this is the highest rated on

IMDB that we've covered so far.

997

:

It's super hard to get a high

rating on, like to get an eight

998

:

is hard to come by on I-I-M-D-B.

999

:

I think the thing had like an 8.1 or 8.2.

:

01:06:48,743 --> 01:06:50,763

But anyway, north and South has an 8.0.

:

01:06:51,928 --> 01:06:54,658

It's got an outstanding cast.

:

01:06:55,318 --> 01:06:59,658

so I would recommend, even if you

have seen it, if you haven't seen

:

01:06:59,658 --> 01:07:02,698

it in a while, it's just like a

nice thing to kind of put on and

:

01:07:03,478 --> 01:07:04,978

get, get to see our dreamboat.

:

01:07:05,198 --> 01:07:05,488

yeah.

:

01:07:05,708 --> 01:07:07,408

So request it from your library people.

:

01:07:07,628 --> 01:07:08,568

And if you do let me know.

:

01:07:08,948 --> 01:07:12,928

It is also, did I mention

all of the guest stars?

:

01:07:12,998 --> 01:07:14,128

It's worth it for them alone.

:

01:07:14,158 --> 01:07:18,118

Like when I was, like watching it,

there's really long opening credits

:

01:07:18,118 --> 01:07:19,758

and I just kept seeing all these names.

:

01:07:19,858 --> 01:07:21,638

I'm like, oh my God, that

person, that person, that person.

:

01:07:21,658 --> 01:07:23,958

And so then it's kind

of fun to look for them.

:

01:07:24,748 --> 01:07:29,638

Like you see, like for example,

I was like, oh, Morgan Fairchild.

:

01:07:29,858 --> 01:07:31,078

I'm curious to see who she is.

:

01:07:31,088 --> 01:07:31,958

Who's Elizabeth Taylor?

:

01:07:32,008 --> 01:07:32,548

all of these.

:

01:07:32,928 --> 01:07:34,948

And so it's fun when they pop up.

:

01:07:35,808 --> 01:07:36,718

ooh, what's his face?

:

01:07:36,938 --> 01:07:39,008

Wayne Newton is a fun one as well.

:

01:07:39,008 --> 01:07:39,888

Like his character.

:

01:07:39,958 --> 01:07:42,128

It's very Wayne Newton

It's, it's Wayne Newton.

:

01:07:42,128 --> 01:07:42,688

Is Wayne Newton.

:

01:07:42,828 --> 01:07:46,558

Anyway, you guys should,

request this from your library.

:

01:07:47,778 --> 01:07:53,608

And it also, like another, another selling

point is that it does have like all of

:

01:07:53,608 --> 01:07:56,168

the makings of any good episodic drama.

:

01:07:57,188 --> 01:07:59,888

Ev even if you don't love a period

piece, which I don't, I don't love

:

01:07:59,888 --> 01:08:01,248

a period piece, but this is good.

:

01:08:01,248 --> 01:08:05,208

Like I love a, you know, there's,

like I said, all of the things that a

:

01:08:05,208 --> 01:08:06,808

drama would have, it has all of that.

:

01:08:06,908 --> 01:08:09,128

Oh, and did I mention

Patrick Swayze's in it?

:

01:08:10,198 --> 01:08:15,128

Alright, before you go pick your next

episode to listen to, please give

:

01:08:15,128 --> 01:08:17,048

Retro Made a quick rating and Review.

:

01:08:17,228 --> 01:08:17,648

Review.

:

01:08:17,788 --> 01:08:20,648

If you have a few minutes, I

very much would appreciate it.

:

01:08:20,707 --> 01:08:21,968

So please do that.

:

01:08:22,627 --> 01:08:26,508

You guys, if, you know, life in

the Civil War era does seem pretty

:

01:08:26,508 --> 01:08:31,587

awful, so I suppose I'm happy to

return to the present day craziness.

:

01:08:32,693 --> 01:08:36,202

Until next time, be kind, rewind.

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