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Episode 13

Ghost | S1E13

We travel back to July of 1990 to discuss one of Patrick Swayze’s biggest hits, just in time for Spooky Season…Ghost!

Today's guests are Chad Robinson and Lizzy Haynes from the Retro Movie Roundtable podcast. Chad is from Pittsburgh, and his favorite genre is horror. Lizzy is a mother of 3 and a movie lover, particularly thrillers & comedy. Check them out:

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Transcript
Katie:

Hello, hello, I'm Katie and welcome to Retro Made, your pop culture rewind.

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Let's take another trip down memory lane.

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Today we travel back to July of 1990 to

discuss one of Patrick Swayze's biggest

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hits, just in time for spooky season.

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Ghost!

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excited to have Chad Robinson and

Lizzie Haynes from the Retro Movie

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Roundtable podcast joining me today.

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The Retro Movie Roundtable is great

at deep dives into movies of all kinds

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of genres and varying time periods.

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And I was lucky enough to join

them to discuss Mystic Pizza.

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So you guys will have to check that out.

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Chad, Lizzie, thank you

so much for joining me.

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Tell us more about

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you and your show.

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Lizzy: Hey, thank you

so much for having us.

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Yes.

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so retro movie round table, like

you said, you said it perfectly.

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It's a movie podcast that explores

movies of all different genres.

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the only contingency is it has

to be at least 10 years old,

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and I'm the rookie of the group.

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Chad is one of the OGs and, so yeah,

he can, he can jump in and probably

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fill in any blanks that I'm missing.

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Chad: Yeah, we just celebrated

our five year anniversary, so we

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got started in October of 2018.

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And, it, it's been great.

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Like Lizzie said, we

brought her on last year.

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She's been wonderful.

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She's a fellow horror fan, so

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Chad: paired up quite a bit

and that's always great.

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That's my favorite genre.

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I'm up here in Pittsburgh with

our founder, Russell Guest.

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So Russell is the, he's the man for this.

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He's the one he probably

reached out to Katie.

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Katie: Mm

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Chad: He'll be reaching

out to other people.

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I know he's hooked up with other

people from, from your network as well.

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We had a great guest for

Gladiator, so that was fun.

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Katie: Yes, Ryan.

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So Ryan.

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he's kind of our, our boss man,

so to speak of the last of the

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action heroes podcast network.

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And so I joined him on the Rocky

show, but he has all sorts of

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shows and he's, developed a whole

network of action hero podcasts.

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And so, yeah, I loved

the gladiator episode.

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Chad: Oh, great.

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Katie: well, horror season,

that's perfect for you guys then.

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We're in

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October now, so that's great.

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Lizzy: Yes,

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Chad: it's the best time of the year.

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Lizzy: it is.

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Katie: And congratulations

on the five year anniversary.

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Chad: you.

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Thank you.

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Katie: in part, like, I feel

like a lot of people start and

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don't, don't make it five years.

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So that's fantastic.

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shall we get into the retro frame of mind

by opening the time capsule from July of

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1990?

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Chad: Let's do it.

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Katie: I gotta say, from a TV

standpoint, it's a stellar lineup.

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I mean, I almost don't

know where to start.

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So the top shows in terms of Nielsen

ratings from the 89 to 90 season, we have.

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I mean, The Cosby Show, Roseanne,

Cheers, A Different World, The

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Golden Girls, The Wonder Years,

Empty Nest, and Who's the Boss.

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I mean, those are all really good.

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Did you guys watch those?

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I know you guys are, well, I know

Lizzie, you're for sure definitely

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younger than me, and Chad, you're

probably younger than me too, but still.

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Syndication, all those

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Lizzy: Yes, I'm probably

the baby of the group.

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I was an 88 baby, so I definitely

wasn't watching any of those

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shows when they first arrived.

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But I think what's so great

particularly about all of the shows

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that you just mentioned is with the

exception of a couple, like they've

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really stood the test of time.

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Like The Golden Girls is the One,

golden Girls and Cheers are the

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ones that really stand out to me.

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And as an adult, I've developed an

affinity for them, especially Golden

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girls like Betty White, who doesn't

love Betty White, like she's the best.

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Katie: I'm so, I just need more women to

come on the show because it really is.

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It's such a fantastic show and obviously

cheers, but I mean, in the Cosby show

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is to Roseanne, I mean, all of these,

I watch Roseanne and syndication.

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Who's the boss of Tony Maselli?

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The Wonder Years is one

that hasn't come up before.

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and it has a very, to me, like

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the theme song.

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it gives sort of like

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Katie: with the theme song.

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It gives me this homesick feeling

and like time, times of yonder

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that's both lovely, but also I get

sort of homesick at the same time.

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It's odd.

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Does anybody

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else have this?

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happen.

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Chad: Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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That Joe

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Lizzy: Yeah.

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Chad: just takes you back to

childhood, or do you just.

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Picture, simpler times

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Katie: Yeah.

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Chad: I, I miss it.

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I wasn't allowed to watch.

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I, I was six, so I wasn't

allowed to watch a lot of these

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shows, particularly Roseanne.

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my parents kind of had it in for

Roseanne, so I caught up later.

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cheers was a big one though.

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That was a big hit for us.

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America's Funniest Home

Videos was a big thing at this

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Chad: time too.

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family actually sent in a tape

to America's Funniest Home video.

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We didn't get chosen,

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Katie: what

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Chad: but

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Katie: what, what

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was the tape?

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Do you

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Chad: so

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it's, it's, this is fun.

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This is nice and embarrassing.

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So it's my sister and I in the

bathtub when we were little, tiny

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kids I get this weird face and

my parents say, what's wrong?

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And my sister chimes in and she goes,

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pee peed in the bathtub.

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Lizzy: Oh my goodness.

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Chad: my parents sent this

in it, it got rejected.

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But we have this lovely

letter from the producers, so.

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Katie: uh, Danny Tanner was hosting?

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Um,

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Chad: Yeah.

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Bob SST himself.

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Katie: Yes.

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Chad: Yep.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Chad: Yeah.

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And

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Dave Calo was, he was competing.

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He had the other one that was, it

was sort of close to the same title.

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Katie: oh, I don't think I knew that.

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Chad: Yeah.

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They both had home video segments.

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He had a, a Jackalope sketch.

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Katie: Okay.

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Well, so the, the, so there's

also some really notable

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finales and premieres from 1990.

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Since these are a little older.

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I mean, I, I was in 19, I was nine.

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So, but also a lot of

these way before my time.

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I'm just a very old soul, lots of

syndication watching, but do you guys

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recall any of, so these ended in to

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seven.

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Alf you ever,

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Chad: Yes.

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Katie: I,

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I thought

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Chad: that that is a

messed up finale of Alf.

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Katie: I don't actually

remember The finale, but

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Chad: government wins.

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Katie: Really?

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Oh

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Chad: Yes.

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take him away to a facility.

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Lizzy: Aw.

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Katie: Oh, that,

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Chad: Yeah.

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Katie: sad.

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Chad: There's a lot of

those dark childhood

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ones like dinosaurs ends

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by the entire world being wiped out.

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That's the finale.

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Katie: I

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Lizzy: No way.

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Chad: all waiting.

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Katie: but I didn't realize

that was the finale of

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that.

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Well, no, no Shiny,

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happy ending for nineties.

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Chad: is a different time.

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Yeah.

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Katie: just the 10 of us.

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It's a little less known,

but Oh, I loved it.

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It was a

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spinoff of growing pains.

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Have you guys heard of this?

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Lizzy: Yeah, I've heard of growing

pains, but not, not of the spinoff.

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Chad: right.

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Katie: listeners, please

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tell me you

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Chad: I.

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Katie: watched just the ton of us.

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It was so good.

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So coach Lubbock from growing pains.

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That's so that's the spinoff he moves.

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He, so that's in like Long Island, I

think, but the spinoff is that he and

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his family moved to California and

he works for this all girls Catholic

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school and they're very Catholic.

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there's 10 of them.

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So the, him and his wife and

then eight kids largely around

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there's four teenage daughters.

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It's a fun time.

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They have like a singing group, but

you know, supposed to date But some

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of the girls are real boy crazy, and

it's a lot of fun Please somebody

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tell me that you loved just the ten

of us also remote control was that

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MTV game show it ended in 90 new heart

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Mr.

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Belvedere any

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mr.

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Chad: I watched that.

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Katie: my

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two dads I'm sure you've heard of it, at

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least.

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Falcon Crest, which I've never

seen, but it was one of those really

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long running, nightly soap operas.

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then

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Miami Vice, Charles in Charge.

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Katie: Charles in Charge.

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Chad: yes.

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Katie: Mama's Family.

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That seems very early 80s, but I like...

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of the, so a lot of the people

from the Golden Girls are on

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Mama's Family.

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So it's kind of a core

group of actresses in

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the

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Lizzy: nice.

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Katie: Yeah.

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So those ended, then new

shows that started in 90,

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you might, you guys might've

heard of these Twin Peaks,

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Katie: a, yeah.

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And then the Fresh Prince of Bel Air,

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Lizzy: of course.

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Yes.

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Chad: Oh wow.

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Katie: right?

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that was, I loved that.

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Lizzy: It's still a

cultural staple for sure.

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Katie: it is, I think we actually

just talked about it in my

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last episode, we did the thing.

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Lizzy: Oh, nice.

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Katie: one of his favorite like rap

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group was DJ Jazzy Jeff

and the Fresh Prince.

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Katie: yeah.

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And Parents Just Don't Understand

was one of their songs and that

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ended up being the theme song,

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right, of Fresh Prince or parts of it.

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Lizzy: I think maybe part, I know

that it's like the, like from North

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Philadelphia, born and raised.

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I don't know if that,

I don't know if that's

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Chad: West Philadelphia,

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Lizzy: Philadelphia.

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West Philadelphia.

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Sorry.

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Katie: Yes.

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Yes.

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West.

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Katie: West Philadelphia.

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Yeah,

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Lizzy: Yeah, you're living with your

auntie and your uncle in Bel Air.

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That was, we went to a piano bar for my

birthday last month and it was people,

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they were playing all different genres and

someone requested that and they played it.

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It was hilarious.

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It just, the piano, it was great.

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Katie: good request.

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Lizzy: Yes, it was fun.

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Like the whole crowd.

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'cause it was filled

with all different ages.

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But that is one of those shows that

kind of bonds people just, it's it

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managed to stand the test of time.

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For sure.

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Katie: It did.

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also Northern Exposure.

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I'm vaguely familiar with that.

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then a tiny little show

called Beverly Hills

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90210.

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Started in 1990.

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Oh my gosh, those

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kids, they were like 30 playing teenagers,

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but still

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Katie: loved

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Lizzy: Tori Spelling

and Tiffany Amber Thon.

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Oh my goodness.

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That was, so, I watched a couple

of episodes of 9 0 2 1 oh.

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But I . It wasn't a diehard, but

I do credit 9 0 2 1 oh for all

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of the other shows to follow it.

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I feel like they pioneered

the teenage drama and I, so

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I am, I tip my hat to them.

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Katie: Aaron Spelling.

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They had, it was so big.

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I feel like I was in maybe

like fourth or fifth grade.

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people had like the bedspreads,

there was act, there was dolls.

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So we, it was

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like, are you, are you

team Brandon or team Dylan?

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And there was

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Lizzy: Yes,

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Katie: It was just, it was a whole 90210.

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Cartoons.

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Are you guys cartoon kids?

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Lizzy: yes, yes, absolutely.

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Katie: The big ones?

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You guys all have to tell me what

you were watching, but in 90 it

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was Garfield and Friends, Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtles, Slimer and the

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Real Ghostbusters, and Beetlejuice.

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I don't really remember

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Lizzy: Ooh.

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Katie: Beetlejuice as a cartoon,

but those were some of the

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big ones

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1990.

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Lizzy: I was a Beetlejuice kid.

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Chad: I saw that before

the live action movie,

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Katie: You

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Chad: that was my introduction.

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It's wildly different going to

the live action from the cartoon.

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There's, they're different characters.

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Katie: And, uh, were you a big

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles guy?

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Chad: Oh, of course.

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I'm looking for

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Katie: Do you

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Chad: Where's I?

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do, I've got my little three D printed.

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Leonardo.

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Katie: Oh, cool.

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Yeah.

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Chad: I big fan.

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Katie: then there was

some midday programming.

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So those were more in the morning.

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We have WWF wrestling.

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New Kids on the Block

must have had a cartoon.

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I feel like everything had a cartoon.

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Bill and

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Ted.

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Chad: Hammer did?

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Yeah.

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Katie: and Ted's Excellent

Adventures must have been a short

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lived Cartoon, Bugs Bunny show.

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And then this was the last

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year for Pee Wee's Playhouse,

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Chad: Oh,

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Lizzy: Man, I was never a peewee kid.

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He always kind of freaked me out.

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Katie: It is, yeah, I, I did

watch it, but I did, I was like,

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there's something a little,

I'm not sure, this is weird,

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Lizzy: Yes.

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It's the laugh, like the ha ha, like it's

just like too much for, I don't know,

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this always rubbed me the wrong way.

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Again,

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Chad: Oh, you just broke Russell's heart.

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Katie: Oh,

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Lizzy: loves the the what?

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What's his movie that he made that every.

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Yes.

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This big adventure.

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Yeah.

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Everybody quote, it's apparently

a very quotable movie.

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Never seen it.

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It just

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Katie: I feel like I

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probably saw it when it

came out, but never again.

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So I

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Lizzy: Yes,

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Katie: very little of it.

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was there anything else that

we didn't cover that you guys

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were really into watching

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as kids?

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Lizzy: man.

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When did Renin Stimpy come out to me?

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I feel like that's, I know some of the

other shows that I really love came out

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more, came nineties, but in terms of

early nineties, I remember Renin, Stimpy

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being something that felt a little older.

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Maybe it was just the

quality of the animation.

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Yep.

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Katie: think you're right.

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I I feel like it did come

out in the early nineties

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and that was sort of when

Nickelodeon was becoming

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a thing and all of those, those shows.

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And then Nick at night, I remember

watching, I was introduced to a lot of the

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Nick at night shows as a kid in the early

nineties or mid nineties the shows from

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like the fifties and sixties

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and seventies.

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So

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Lizzy: yes.

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Chad: yeah.

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Yeah.

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Bewitch, things like that.

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I, I love Lucy.

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Katie: Okay.

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Chad: think for me,

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I look this up and I may

be getting the, the year

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wrong, but Captain Planet I read was 1990,

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Lizzy: No way.

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I loved him.

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Chad: so that was a big one for me.

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Katie: Okay.

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Yeah, I can see that.

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Lizzy: Captain Planet.

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Oh my goodness.

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I love that.

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I forgot all about him.

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I watched so many of those cartoons.

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'cause my brother, I loved that

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Chad: the poor guy with the

monkey at the end, he's heart, on,

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everybody else gets a cool element.

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You get heart.

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Lizzy: Oh,

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Katie: This is

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one I'm not familiar with.

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What,

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Chad: Really.

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Katie: Nickelodeon?

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What was it on

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Lizzy: ah.

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Chad: I, I think it was a

Turner network, like T B S

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Katie: I

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Chad: T N T maybe.

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Katie: have to look it up because for

some reason it's not ringing a bell, but.

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Chad: It, it was literally a campaign to

just reduce pollution and teach kids that

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everyone was, the villains were like oil

barons or something, and they would just

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mustaches and throw oil into the rivers,

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and so,

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Katie: totally up my alley because

I'm such a big, environmental

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person, you, know, so.

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Chad: oh my goodness.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you, you have to check this out.

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I guarantee you.

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It doesn't hold up.

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Katie: probably noth not very much does.

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Chad: It was great though.

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Katie: we move

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on to the top 10 music billboards from

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Katie: it?

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So it's the literally these were

the top 10 and the week that

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ghost came out July 13th, 1990.

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The number one song

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step by step new kids

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on the block.

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Katie: Oddly enough,

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I

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Lizzy: by step.

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Katie: Yes.

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Lizzy: I love that song so much.

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I love it.

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Yes.

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Katie: kids?

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Cause you were pretty little, but.

457

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Lizzy: Yes.

458

:

That's something that came after for sure.

459

:

I mean, I, I think I fell in love with

Backstreet Boys and NSYNC and all of the,

460

:

like they came first, but then just like

9 0 2 1 oh, like new kids paved the way.

461

:

I just found them later in life.

462

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Katie: Yeah.

463

:

Okay.

464

:

I like it.

465

:

Now, She Ain't Worth It.

466

:

Feat.

467

:

It's by Glenn Medeiros.

468

:

Not

469

:

Lizzy: Hmm.

470

:

Katie: pronouncing that

471

:

correctly.

472

:

Featuring Bobby Brown

is the number two song.

473

:

Lizzy: Okay.

474

:

Katie: En Vogue Hold On is number three.

475

:

Lizzy: Great.

476

:

Chad: Yes.

477

:

That's a good one.

478

:

Katie: Yes, En It's so very 90s.

479

:

I'll Be Your Shelter by Taylor Dayne.

480

:

number five song is like

one of my favorite videos.

481

:

I remember watching it as a kid.

482

:

Cradle of Love by

483

:

Billy Idol.

484

:

Anybody?

485

:

Anybody?

486

:

Chad: Oh yeah.

487

:

Katie: loved it.

488

:

I think that was one, probably

my favorite Billy Idol song.

489

:

Chad: So this is the most

490

:

nineties sentence I can make, make, but

I remember roller skating at the roller

491

:

rink to Cradle of Love,

492

:

Katie: Yeah, yeah.

493

:

Lizzy: Yes.

494

:

Katie: it's pretty 80s as well,

but yeah, that's, oh, it's so good.

495

:

And then, The song from

496

:

Pretty Woman, It Must

Have Been Love, Roxette,

497

:

Lizzy: It's a great song.

498

:

Katie: Yeah, Pretty

499

:

Lizzy: Hmm

500

:

Katie: came out in 1990.

501

:

Chad: oh,

502

:

Lizzy: One.

503

:

It's one of my favorites.

504

:

It's so good.

505

:

Katie: it is actually one of the

things that Ghost did and Pretty Woman,

506

:

since they both came out in 1990.

507

:

There's talk that those two movies

being so big, doing so well, kind

508

:

of paved the way for what would

come in all, I feel like the

509

:

90s vomited romantic movies.

510

:

Lizzy: Yes.

511

:

Katie: And so I think

512

:

Chad: Yes.

513

:

Katie: thank Ghost and

Pretty Woman for that.

514

:

Chad: Yeah.

515

:

Here's Meg Ryan in everything.

516

:

Lizzy: Yeah.

517

:

Is there they did such a great job.

518

:

That movie was pretty, woman was perfect

because the, the villain was great.

519

:

You know, your Jason Alexander was

like perfectly slimy and Richard

520

:

Ge was so charming and everybody,

521

:

you either just loved Julia Roberts,

just 'cause you loved her, or you

522

:

like, quite literally wanted to be

the pretty woman, like minus the

523

:

Katie: Yeah, yeah.

524

:

Chad: the the hooking.

525

:

Lizzy: minus her occupation.

526

:

Katie: I didn't really get it,

527

:

you know, I didn't really know when I was,

you know, when I was a kid watching it,

528

:

yeah.

529

:

Actually, and we talked about, Chad and

Lizzie and I talked about, in our Mystic

530

:

Pizza episode, how Mystic Pizza her being

so wonderful in that kind of allowed

531

:

her to become the Vivian in Pretty Woman.

532

:

Lizzy: yes, it's the hair.

533

:

Katie: Oh, yeah.

534

:

And she just, she's great.

535

:

let's see.

536

:

Rub You the Right Way by

537

:

Johnny Gil is the number seven song.

538

:

Chad: I love that song growing up

and or as a kid, but I had no idea

539

:

what they were saying,

540

:

Katie: Yeah, that

541

:

Chad: so

542

:

Katie: a lot

543

:

Chad: I

544

:

slick.

545

:

Katie: Where you're singing along and your

546

:

parents are like, What's,

what's going on over here?

547

:

Chad: I didn't even know it was

called Rub You the Right Way.

548

:

Like Somehow I never caught those

549

:

lyrics, but just the sound and everything.

550

:

Yeah, I'm sure my parents were thrilled.

551

:

Katie: So, we've got two of

the, what band were they in?

552

:

like Bobby Brown and Johnny Gill.

553

:

I'm, my brain is, both in, New Edition.

554

:

It took me a minute.

555

:

Yeah.

556

:

Chad: Oh,

557

:

Lizzy: Ah, yes.

558

:

Okay.

559

:

Katie: separately in the top 10 in 1990.

560

:

Enjoy the Silence by Depeche

Mode was number eight.

561

:

Number nine is The Power by

Snap with an exclamation.

562

:

This might not sound familiar.

563

:

It

564

:

didn't to me anyway.

565

:

Do you know what it is, Chad?

566

:

No

567

:

Chad: draw in a blank.

568

:

Katie: is that I've got the power.

569

:

Dun, dun,

570

:

Lizzy: yes.

571

:

Katie: is so like techno rap

very much permeated the early

572

:

90s.

573

:

And this was, It's like the

epitomizes that I feel like

574

:

Lizzy: It's a great song

575

:

Chad: goodness.

576

:

Yeah.

577

:

Katie: that's what that song is.

578

:

and then poison by Belle

579

:

Biv Devoe.

580

:

Oh,

581

:

that

582

:

Chad: Yep.

583

:

Katie: good.

584

:

Lizzy: such.

585

:

Katie: So

586

:

Chad: That girl

587

:

is

588

:

Katie: singing

589

:

Chad: boy.

590

:

Katie: or no, that's Aisha.

591

:

I'm thinking of Aisha.

592

:

I get those two confused,

593

:

like a, clearly a child that's singing it.

594

:

But it's also good.

595

:

Lizzy: It kind of sounds like the,

it sounds like a little boy at

596

:

some point when he is geez, Ja, me.

597

:

Yeah.

598

:

Like it's a very young, young, young man,

599

:

Katie: they probably were, I, okay.

600

:

There's some news and events that we

ould maybe cover from July of:

601

:

Some big ones, actually.

602

:

so this was like shortly.

603

:

After the Berlin wall fell.

604

:

So there's quite a bit

that has to do with that.

605

:

I don't know what

606

:

month, wasn't that an 89

607

:

Lizzy: it sounds.

608

:

Chad: know Germany was in 90,

but it might've been 89 for the

609

:

wall

610

:

falling

611

:

Katie: they, yeah.

612

:

So to your point, great setup,

Chad, because the German democratic

613

:

republic accepts the Deutsche Mark

as its currency in July of:

614

:

the first

615

:

three tenors concert.

616

:

Featuring

617

:

Chad: Who?

618

:

Katie: Domingo, Jose Carreras

and Luciano Pavarotti

619

:

Lizzy: Nice.

620

:

Katie: of Caracalla, I'm so sorry

for my mispronunciation, in Rome.

621

:

That recording becomes the

622

:

world's best selling classical record.

623

:

Lizzy: Wow.

624

:

Katie: didn't know that

it was only in:

625

:

I thought they went way, way back,

626

:

but the first concert,

627

:

1990.

628

:

Lizzy: I gotta check that out.

629

:

Katie: Fun little tidbit, I was in

Paris in, like, in high school,

630

:

so I feel like this was 98 and

when we were doing our Eiffel Tower

631

:

tour, we were there in the evening.

632

:

It just so happened that, I don't

think it was all three of them, I

633

:

think it might've just been Domingo

634

:

was having a concert on the

635

:

lawn below.

636

:

Lizzy: Stop.

637

:

Katie: happened.

638

:

Lizzy: That's amazing.

639

:

Katie: yeah.

640

:

Boris Yeltsin, president, quits

the Soviet Communist Party and

641

:

Ukraine declares independence.

642

:

Which, so sad, because 32

643

:

years later, was it in 22, that

644

:

Chad: Yeah,

645

:

Lizzy: Yes.

646

:

Katie: them again?

647

:

was a baseball record set in July

of:

648

:

Deion Sanders hits an inside park

homer, that must be really hard to

649

:

do, having an inside the park homer.

650

:

Also Deion Sanders, I had completely

forgotten that he also played baseball.

651

:

Cause

652

:

he's, I know him as a football player.

653

:

Chad: yeah.

654

:

He played both.

655

:

Katie: Yeah, I,

656

:

feel like there was a few people

who did that back in the day.

657

:

Michael

658

:

Chad: Bo Jackson.

659

:

Katie: Bo Jackson

660

:

did too.

661

:

Okay, geez.

662

:

Um, he is actually the

head coach of the Boulder

663

:

CU Buffaloes college football team

664

:

here.

665

:

Chad: He's in the news a lot right now.

666

:

Coach Prime.

667

:

Katie: certainly is.

668

:

Pink Floyd's The Wall is performed

where the Berlin Wall once stood.

669

:

The charity, it was a charity concert

led by Roger Waters with guests such

670

:

as, you know, just little, little

names like Cyndi Lauper, Joni Mitchell,

671

:

the Scorpions, Sinead O'Connor,

672

:

Lizzy: Wow.

673

:

Katie: and Van Morrison.

674

:

And it was actually just the

anniversary of Sinead O'Connor's...

675

:

SNL performance where she ripped

the photo of the Pope in protest of

676

:

abuse at the hands of the church.

677

:

So yeah, lots of Berlin

678

:

Wall associations in this month.

679

:

And

680

:

Chad: Nice.

681

:

Katie: um, your family not

liking Roseanne Barr, she

682

:

she notoriously sings the National Anthem,

683

:

Chad: that's terrible.

684

:

Katie: National

685

:

Lizzy: It was so bad.

686

:

Katie: Cincinnati Reds

San Diego Padres game.

687

:

Lizzy: Luckily she's done some, not

luckily, but she has done some things

688

:

that are, even more embarrassing to

kind of cover up that, that stain.

689

:

She's made some bigger stains, but,

690

:

Katie: Yeah, yeah, pretty recently.

691

:

Lizzy: she's, she's gotten herself

into enough trouble that people

692

:

probably aren't googling that anymore.

693

:

But for the people that have

seen it, it lives rent free

694

:

Katie: Yeah.

695

:

Chad: Yeah.

696

:

You, You cannot blame Ambien for

697

:

that.

698

:

Lizzy: You really can't.

699

:

Katie: even

700

:

Chad: Yeah.

701

:

Katie: I remember.

702

:

it

703

:

Lizzy: she

704

:

Katie: in the National Enquirer.

705

:

I remember, seeing that at

the grocery store, checkouts.

706

:

was surprised by this one.

707

:

So, George H.

708

:

W.

709

:

Bush signs the Americans

with Disabilities Act.

710

:

That was only in

711

:

1990?

712

:

Isn't that surprising?

713

:

Lizzy: is, yes.

714

:

It's wild to think that

that was only 30 years ago.

715

:

Katie: Mm hmm.

716

:

Chad: right.

717

:

Katie: Okay, so Ghost was the number

three movie, at this time, but some

718

:

other big movie we have Die Hard 2,

Days of Thunder, Dick Tracy, and the

719

:

re release of The Jungle Book, and

720

:

then right up y'all's

alley, Arachnophobia.

721

:

Lizzy: Ooh, great movie.

722

:

Chad: yes.

723

:

Lizzy: Nice.

724

:

Chad: Excellent.

725

:

Katie: Yeah.

726

:

Chad: Here.

727

:

Katie: Yeah.

728

:

Pretty good.

729

:

Pretty good.

730

:

lineup.

731

:

okay.

732

:

So before we get into the movie, I

have a few questions for you guys.

733

:

as you may or may not be aware, season

of retro made is built around who

734

:

I deem every men are ultimate every

men, Kurt Russell and Patrick Swayze.

735

:

fandom about either of them that

736

:

you would like to share?

737

:

Lizzy: yes, absolutely.

738

:

I'll start with Kurt Russell 'cause

I feel like I am, have a little bit

739

:

more passion for Patrick Swayze.

740

:

So I'll start, with Kurt Russell, but

I, the main movie that I recall that

741

:

I associate with him is Tombstone.

742

:

I just think that his performance

in Tombstone is just so

743

:

fantastic and I just love him.

744

:

Like, I think he's got, he's, he's

got the X factor for sure, but that,

745

:

I feel like my catalog of Kurt Russell

movies isn't nearly as big as my

746

:

catalog of Patrick Swayze movies.

747

:

And I think as.

748

:

A young woman, I would be so remiss

to not mention Dirty Dancing.

749

:

'cause to me, that movie that was

like, that was a core memory for

750

:

me when I first saw that movie.

751

:

As a matter of fact, in my freshman

year of high school in our, I was in

752

:

show choir and we had this showcase that

we, like all the freshmen would do for

753

:

the upperclassmen and just basically

almost like a talent show for everybody.

754

:

And I, did, tried to do the time of my

life dance and, we did not do the lift

755

:

because it was just, it didn't work out.

756

:

But Patrick Swayze was always just,

like you said, it perfectly, like the

757

:

every man, like I just, I remember

crushing out on him so hard when I was

758

:

a little girl and like dirty dancing

is just like the tip of the iceberg.

759

:

I mean, I just, I love him so much

and like I have a more appreciation

760

:

for him as an adult watching like

more like of his actual movies where

761

:

he really has to display his chops.

762

:

you know, his Woody Woody Allen?

763

:

Yes.

764

:

His Woody Allen movies.

765

:

And then Ghost for me was like a huge,

like a movie for me is too, as a kid, this

766

:

was probably one of the first movies I

remember watching that scared me actually.

767

:

Katie: Oh, really?

768

:

Okay.

769

:

Lizzy: Yes.

770

:

not.

771

:

That was probably more age

appropriate to scare me.

772

:

I should be fair.

773

:

I think, I think Chad, I've shared

with you like the first movie

774

:

that like cut me to my core and

like really, really scared me.

775

:

But this was something that I wanna say

maybe I was nine or 10 when I saw for the

776

:

first time and those, those little bad

guys that come get you and take you to

777

:

the bad place, they really freaked me out.

778

:

I was a kid.

779

:

Yes,

780

:

Katie: It is unique in that way.

781

:

Like the

782

:

combination of genres is very different

783

:

Lizzy: yes.

784

:

I just, ugh.

785

:

I love him so much.

786

:

And even in like weird, obscure movies

like Donny Darko, like I think he

787

:

is, he's great in those movies too.

788

:

I just, I love him.

789

:

I think he's just fantastic.

790

:

Katie: He brings it in any

791

:

role.

792

:

Yeah, I

793

:

agree.

794

:

I love

795

:

him as well.

796

:

Chad, do you have

797

:

Chad: See, I, yeah, I had kind of

the opposite experience of Lizzie.

798

:

I'm far more, into Kurt

Russell, like his movies.

799

:

we covered big trouble in Little China.

800

:

That was something I saw

801

:

Katie: Love

802

:

Chad: very, very, early.

803

:

I was a big Mortal Kombat

fan and it inspired a lot

804

:

of the characters from that.

805

:

liked Overboard.

806

:

Katie: Yeah,

807

:

so

808

:

Chad: one

809

:

of the, yeah.

810

:

You guys covered that.

811

:

That one.

812

:

I.

813

:

He is fantastic.

814

:

big fan of Goldie.

815

:

Ha.

816

:

So that, that was an early experience.

817

:

Patrick Swayze,

818

:

I think I avoided because

it was a girly thing.

819

:

All the women

820

:

loved Patrick

821

:

Swayze.

822

:

So I came to movies later.

823

:

saw Roadhouse loved

that typical male movie,

824

:

Katie: I love

825

:

Chad: but

826

:

Katie: it's it's my second favorite.

827

:

Chad: yeah,

828

:

I was,

829

:

so we get shortlists for retro movie round

table, and it was Russell's Pick and Dirty

830

:

Dancing came up and I was begging him.

831

:

I was like, please give us dirty dancing.

832

:

And I forget what he chose,

but I didn't like his choice.

833

:

And I, I did a little protest, three

stars for whatever movie it was.

834

:

We did choose.

835

:

it'll come back around.

836

:

Come back on our show, Katie.

837

:

Get this for us.

838

:

Katie: Oh

839

:

Chad: But

840

:

Katie: I'll

841

:

Chad: was a big one.

842

:

Katie: how do I vote?

843

:

Chad: Yeah.

844

:

Short list of dirty dancing.

845

:

Dirty dancing and dirty dancing.

846

:

But yeah, ghost was,

847

:

this was my first romantic movie.

848

:

Like I'd probably seen romantic comedies.

849

:

This was the first romantic movie

I can remember, so it kind of

850

:

holds a special place in my heart.

851

:

Katie: I love that we have Two

guests today one female one male and

852

:

I also Lizzie I have had very few

women on as guests for some reason.

853

:

Everybody that I know

in podcasting is a man.

854

:

however, I will say that

this totally tracks.

855

:

tend to resonate more with Patrick

856

:

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

857

:

Katie: tend to more with Kurt.

858

:

And I think it's the age that we're

at as well from a male perspective,

859

:

because everyone does say.

860

:

I don't want to say turned off, but

it's sort of like you said, you, you

861

:

associate him with, with chick flicks or

something because of dirty dancing was so

862

:

huge, but then he does a lot of action.

863

:

Like he's very athletic and very talented

in martial arts and things like that.

864

:

So like roadhouse and point break.

865

:

And I don't know why

I'm blanking right now.

866

:

Like some other action

movies, that he's done.

867

:

I think men gain his respect after that.

868

:

Lizzy: Yes.

869

:

Katie: but yeah, that seems to track.

870

:

Now the most important question of all

Do you guys think that they resemble

871

:

each other at all, Kurt and Patrick?

872

:

Lizzy: Hmm.

873

:

I.

874

:

I guess I never really thought

about it, but I could see it.

875

:

I think for me, I always envision

Kurt Russell with a mustache.

876

:

So for me it's, it's hard.

877

:

And that must be the

tombstone part of me, right?

878

:

Is like the whiter.

879

:

But I feel like I, there was a mean

tweet though that, you know, like

880

:

the Jimmy Kimmel like celebrity mean

tweet thing that was super huge.

881

:

About 10 years ago, somebody wrote

a mean tweet about Kurt Russell

882

:

and he had at the time like the

handlebar mustache and a beard.

883

:

And so that was just his own look.

884

:

And he read, his tweet said,

Kurt Russell is made of aged

885

:

denim . That was his , his tweeting

just started cracking up laughing.

886

:

But I feel like in terms of their build

and kind of the general structure of

887

:

their face, like they both have really

prominent jaws and they both have that.

888

:

Kind of sensitive look in their

eye that I think I could see it.

889

:

I really could.

890

:

I think they could definitely

pass for, for relatives, for sure.

891

:

Katie: Thank you, I needed

892

:

a woman.

893

:

Chad, were you gonna say no?

894

:

Chad: I was gonna say yes.

895

:

I, I feel like

896

:

I can see it in the eyes, like the hair

is distinguishing Patrick Swayze with

897

:

the, the longer blonde locks, but I

can see it in the eyes and the nose.

898

:

Yeah.

899

:

Katie: you guys so much.

900

:

This is one of the things too that I think

is More women see it than not, but I think

901

:

they very much alike and I ask everyone.

902

:

so I'm going to continue to try

and get more people that see it.

903

:

And so thank

904

:

Lizzy: yes,

905

:

Katie: I'm, I'm I'm glad

906

:

that you guys can see it.

907

:

Chad: Here you go.

908

:

Katie: All

909

:

Chad: Happy to help

910

:

Katie: stay with me on this.

911

:

I'm not going to give up.

912

:

All right.

913

:

Shall we

914

:

get into Ghost?

915

:

Released date, July

916

:

Lizzy: yes.

917

:

Chad: do it.

918

:

Katie: 1990.

919

:

This was a PG 13 movie.

920

:

a little over two hours.

921

:

The IMDB rating is a 7.

922

:

1 which is pretty good.

923

:

I think it, and I did look like

it's on par with, Pretty Woman and

924

:

a few other similar type movies.

925

:

They're all like around 7.

926

:

the director is a little unusual,

in that it's Jerry Zucker, but he's

927

:

most known for kind of those, um,

screwball comedies like Airplane and

928

:

then Ruthless People and First Night.

929

:

So this is a little different,

I would say, for Jerry Zucker.

930

:

The writer is Bruce Joel Rubin, he

also wrote Stuart Little Two, Deep

931

:

Impact, Jacob's Ladder, and The Time

932

:

Traveler's Wife.

933

:

Lizzy: Wow.

934

:

Katie: his credits, yeah.

935

:

Lizzy: He's a Renaissance writer.

936

:

Yeah.

937

:

Katie: Isn't it?

938

:

Yes.

939

:

So you're like, all

940

:

Chad: I,

941

:

Katie: well, let's see, but the

942

:

Lizzy: Jacob Stewart.

943

:

Little two

944

:

Chad: right.

945

:

Yeah.

946

:

Those are the two that stuck out to me.

947

:

Very similar.

948

:

Lizzy: Yeah,

949

:

Katie: We have our Patrick

Swayze playing Sam Wheat.

950

:

And then our leading lady here is

Demi Moore playing Molly Jensen.

951

:

And I was reading that actually,

this was the film that turned her

952

:

into the highest paid

953

:

actress in Hollywood at the time.

954

:

Lizzy: I could see it.

955

:

Katie: Yeah.

956

:

prior to that, she was well known,

but she wasn't like a super bankable

957

:

star, but because Ghost ended up

making a ton of money, then it

958

:

really made Demi's career.

959

:

Lizzy: It's the one tier.

960

:

Katie: What's that?

961

:

Chad: got a

962

:

Katie: What?

963

:

Lizzy: It's the one tier to me that's

like the, that's like her benchmark.

964

:

It's like her ability to just keep

them coming like in one string.

965

:

Katie: she said she can do it on cue, like

966

:

Lizzy: Yes.

967

:

Katie: of either eye, that,

I mean, that is a talent.

968

:

Chad: That's crazy.

969

:

Katie: We have Whoopi Goldberg playing

Otome Brown, and she's really well cast.

970

:

I really liked her character in this.

971

:

Toni Goldwyn plays the...

972

:

Sleazeball Carl Bruner.

973

:

and you might recognize

him also as the president,

974

:

Fitzgerald Grant in

975

:

Scandal.

976

:

Lizzy: Yes.

977

:

Katie: you guys recognize him?

978

:

Lizzy: Yes.

979

:

I actually told, I recorded last night

with, with Russell, for . What movie did

980

:

for Miss Congeniality and we were talking

about it and it was the warmup question

981

:

of what the last movie you saw was.

982

:

And I was trying to name everybody

and I said, I can't remember the

983

:

actor's name, but for anybody that ever

watched Scandal, he is the president,

984

:

So I'll leave that in there just for this.

985

:

Chad: I went,

986

:

to war for Miss Congeniality.

987

:

Lizzy: Yay.

988

:

I'm so happy that you did.

989

:

Chad: this.

990

:

Lizzy: I'm so happy that you did.

991

:

It's a great movie.

992

:

It's such a great, yes.

993

:

Katie: you not seen it before?

994

:

Lizzy: No, I had, that was one

guest had shortlisted it, but

995

:

that was something that I like,

deeply loved, was so excited for.

996

:

Katie: It is a good one.

997

:

so, so Tony, He's kind

of one of those guys.

998

:

He's in a lot of stuff.

999

:

He has like a ton of credits.

:

00:36:11,904 --> 00:36:13,274

then, Rick.

:

00:36:14,229 --> 00:36:18,669

Avales, I think I'm pronouncing

that right, as Willy Lopez.

:

00:36:18,779 --> 00:36:23,509

He was also in Carlito's Way, The

Cannonball Run, and Waterworld.

:

00:36:24,869 --> 00:36:28,739

And then Phil Leeds, so the other

characters are all very small parts.

:

00:36:28,749 --> 00:36:33,959

Phil Leeds, he plays the ER,

the ghost in which he's a

:

00:36:33,959 --> 00:36:36,429

super familiar character actor.

:

00:36:37,249 --> 00:36:39,979

I would say he's most

known for Rosemary's Baby.

:

00:36:40,774 --> 00:36:44,014

he's he's one of those people you're

like, Oh, that guy, I know that guy.

:

00:36:45,094 --> 00:36:45,384

Lizzy: Nice.

:

00:36:45,394 --> 00:36:49,634

Katie: with the Subway Ghost was

also a very familiar character actor

:

00:36:49,634 --> 00:36:52,464

and his name is Vincent Chiavelli.

:

00:36:53,474 --> 00:36:58,424

And he was, um, gosh, who did,

he was maybe one of the teachers

:

00:36:58,454 --> 00:37:00,144

in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

:

00:37:02,114 --> 00:37:03,244

I think one of the teachers.

:

00:37:04,234 --> 00:37:04,454

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:37:05,124 --> 00:37:05,954

Katie: a young Steven

:

00:37:05,954 --> 00:37:06,314

Root?

:

00:37:07,084 --> 00:37:08,104

When you rewatched it,

:

00:37:09,294 --> 00:37:09,514

Lizzy: No

:

00:37:10,334 --> 00:37:12,454

Katie: he played the police sergeant,

:

00:37:13,504 --> 00:37:13,964

Chad: Oh, really?

:

00:37:14,084 --> 00:37:15,144

Katie: he's younger.

:

00:37:15,164 --> 00:37:17,264

So it's, yeah, I was like,

:

00:37:17,319 --> 00:37:18,579

Chad: And he has a stapler,

:

00:37:18,664 --> 00:37:21,164

Katie: you know, well,

he might have, but yeah.

:

00:37:21,164 --> 00:37:29,514

So for listeners who Steven Root,

uh, played, um, office space, Milton,

:

00:37:29,609 --> 00:37:30,029

Chad: Milton.

:

00:37:30,374 --> 00:37:30,704

Katie: Yes.

:

00:37:30,824 --> 00:37:32,764

With stapler.

:

00:37:33,614 --> 00:37:35,024

also, in news radio.

:

00:37:35,244 --> 00:37:36,434

So those are two big roles that

:

00:37:36,434 --> 00:37:37,864

he's known for, but yeah, a young

:

00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:38,734

Steven Root in this.

:

00:37:39,749 --> 00:37:39,969

Chad: Wow.

:

00:37:40,884 --> 00:37:41,244

Katie: Yes,

:

00:37:41,254 --> 00:37:47,624

the music is by a French composer,

Maurice Jarre, again, apologies,

:

00:37:47,624 --> 00:37:48,894

I suck at pronunciation.

:

00:37:48,894 --> 00:37:52,524

and he's known for his collaborations

with the director David Lean

:

00:37:52,964 --> 00:37:54,944

for, you know, little movies like

:

00:37:54,944 --> 00:37:56,594

Lawrence of Arabia and Dr.

:

00:37:56,594 --> 00:37:57,774

Zhivago.

:

00:37:58,384 --> 00:37:58,604

Lizzy: Wow.

:

00:37:59,144 --> 00:38:00,464

Katie: Yeah, big time.

:

00:38:01,474 --> 00:38:04,874

This movie won several awards.

:

00:38:05,284 --> 00:38:08,074

It either won or was

nominated for some big awards.

:

00:38:08,074 --> 00:38:14,979

So Whoopi Goldberg for Best Supporting

both the Oscar and the Golden Globe.

:

00:38:16,279 --> 00:38:22,089

the writer, Bruce Joel Rubin, he won

the Oscar for Best Screenplay for Ghost.

:

00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:27,439

And it was also nominated for Best

Picture, Best Editing, and Best Music.

:

00:38:28,124 --> 00:38:28,344

Lizzy: Wow.

:

00:38:28,829 --> 00:38:31,539

Katie: I think that's a little

surprising that it was up for so

:

00:38:31,539 --> 00:38:33,269

many Oscars, to be honest with you.

:

00:38:33,469 --> 00:38:35,149

and then Patrick Swayze, Demi Moore.

:

00:38:35,149 --> 00:38:39,849

we're both nominated for Golden

Globes for this movie and it was also

:

00:38:39,879 --> 00:38:41,109

up for a Best Picture!

:

00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:41,939

Um,

:

00:38:42,124 --> 00:38:42,344

Lizzy: Wow.

:

00:38:43,209 --> 00:38:47,829

Katie: And then Whoopi

also won a BAFTA, Jesus.

:

00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:53,449

she became the first actress to win

the Supporting Actress at the Academy

:

00:38:53,579 --> 00:38:55,979

Awards, BAFTA Awards, and Golden Globe

:

00:38:55,979 --> 00:38:57,479

Awards for her role in this film.

:

00:38:57,819 --> 00:38:58,949

So she won all three

:

00:38:59,404 --> 00:39:00,224

Lizzy: She swept it.

:

00:39:00,364 --> 00:39:00,584

Wow.

:

00:39:01,149 --> 00:39:03,139

Katie: and I guess she was

the first actress to do that.

:

00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,479

Chad: I had the same feelings as you

do Katie, though this, I don't feel

:

00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:10,199

like we nominate these types of movies

:

00:39:10,229 --> 00:39:10,719

anymore.

:

00:39:11,179 --> 00:39:11,639

We have

:

00:39:11,709 --> 00:39:12,649

Katie: definitely don't.

:

00:39:12,649 --> 00:39:13,409

Lizzy: totally agree.

:

00:39:13,604 --> 00:39:14,004

Chad: enough.

:

00:39:14,354 --> 00:39:14,604

Katie: yeah,

:

00:39:14,674 --> 00:39:15,164

Chad: There's

:

00:39:16,934 --> 00:39:16,954

Katie: yeah,

:

00:39:16,964 --> 00:39:17,774

good point.

:

00:39:18,064 --> 00:39:19,964

Lizzy: Yes, I, I agree with that.

:

00:39:20,294 --> 00:39:20,814

Katie: mm hmm.

:

00:39:21,184 --> 00:39:23,314

And then there were

also nominations for the

:

00:39:23,314 --> 00:39:23,914

screenplay,

:

00:39:23,914 --> 00:39:25,904

makeup, and visual effects.

:

00:39:26,654 --> 00:39:28,334

BAFTA nominated those, so.

:

00:39:28,494 --> 00:39:33,294

lot of, uh, award

attention, guess, for Ghost.

:

00:39:33,304 --> 00:39:34,024

I don't know why.

:

00:39:34,044 --> 00:39:35,564

That is surprising to me.

:

00:39:36,214 --> 00:39:37,794

But good for ghost.

:

00:39:38,404 --> 00:39:43,964

It made a shit ton of money because it

made grossed five, almost 506 million on a

:

00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:46,904

22 million budget.

:

00:39:47,124 --> 00:39:47,344

So

:

00:39:47,344 --> 00:39:48,554

I would say that's pretty good.

:

00:39:49,309 --> 00:39:53,999

Lizzy: Yeah, I feel like these, I feel

like Ghost, to your point earlier,

:

00:39:54,049 --> 00:39:55,999

Katie, it was like a disruptor.

:

00:39:56,659 --> 00:40:00,679

So that probably has to be the reason

why it was nominated for so many things.

:

00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:06,119

If Ghost were a novel, it would be put

under, I imagine something like the smut

:

00:40:06,479 --> 00:40:11,599

category, you know, where it's like that

kind of romantic, like Fabio on the cover

:

00:40:11,669 --> 00:40:15,959

kind of book and which I mean, there's

nothing wrong with that, but those kind

:

00:40:15,959 --> 00:40:21,149

of tend to get looked at through a more

shallow lens by the general public.

:

00:40:21,369 --> 00:40:25,789

And so I think . Maybe because

there weren't so many at that point.

:

00:40:26,049 --> 00:40:29,669

It was like a disruptor in the

industry and everybody loved it.

:

00:40:29,729 --> 00:40:33,469

Now that there's so many, they're

looking for more depth, I guess.

:

00:40:33,649 --> 00:40:34,949

But I am, I am with Chad.

:

00:40:34,949 --> 00:40:39,789

Like now, Molly would've had to

have gone on some kind of gigantic

:

00:40:39,899 --> 00:40:45,029

existential crisis and big journey and,

you know, maybe it was all in her mind

:

00:40:45,129 --> 00:40:48,309

or like something like that in order

for him to be considered for an Oscar.

:

00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:48,509

Now,

:

00:40:49,024 --> 00:40:49,354

Katie: Yep.

:

00:40:49,784 --> 00:40:50,284

Good point.

:

00:40:50,784 --> 00:40:51,144

Okay.

:

00:40:51,144 --> 00:40:51,854

So.

:

00:40:52,644 --> 00:40:55,204

Since this movie is like 33 years old.

:

00:40:55,554 --> 00:41:00,764

So if you haven't seen this movie, or if

it's been a while, Sam wheat is a banker.

:

00:41:01,234 --> 00:41:04,554

Molly Jensen is an artist and

the two are madly in love.

:

00:41:04,554 --> 00:41:09,314

However, when Sam is murdered by a

friend and corrupt business partner, Carl

:

00:41:09,324 --> 00:41:14,324

Bruner over a shady business deal, he is

left to roam the earth as a powerless.

:

00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:14,899

Spirit.

:

00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:20,579

he learns of Carl's betrayal, Sam

must seek the help of psychic Odomay

:

00:41:20,579 --> 00:41:24,769

Brown to set things right and protect

Molly from Carl and his goons.

:

00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:32,889

What are your overall thoughts and or

favorite moments or scenes from Ghost?

:

00:41:33,209 --> 00:41:34,619

Just to get kick things off.

:

00:41:35,237 --> 00:41:37,417

Lizzy: Uh, favorite ones

is a, is a tough one.

:

00:41:37,697 --> 00:41:39,497

I, I love this movie so much.

:

00:41:39,737 --> 00:41:47,657

I think as a kid, the scene that stuck out

for me the most was the, the clay scene.

:

00:41:47,817 --> 00:41:49,017

'cause I'd never seen anything like that.

:

00:41:49,077 --> 00:41:52,857

So it was kind of an, and so much of

that through flew right over my head.

:

00:41:53,237 --> 00:41:57,977

But I just thought that the scene in

general was, was fun and interesting.

:

00:41:57,977 --> 00:42:00,617

And I remember my mom really

loving it and we would

:

00:42:00,897 --> 00:42:01,077

.

Katie: did.

:

00:42:01,237 --> 00:42:02,137

Yeah, she did.

:

00:42:03,557 --> 00:42:03,777

Lizzy: So

:

00:42:03,897 --> 00:42:04,717

Katie: it's iconic.

:

00:42:04,727 --> 00:42:06,537

It's like an iconic scene

:

00:42:06,557 --> 00:42:06,727

for

:

00:42:06,767 --> 00:42:10,297

Lizzy: like the song, and I, I, as

now I'm gonna be totally honest,

:

00:42:10,317 --> 00:42:13,167

but I watched it now, the only

thing that I could think of is oh my

:

00:42:13,167 --> 00:42:15,167

gosh, your hands are so disgusting.

:

00:42:15,197 --> 00:42:17,267

I would just not behave on the nap.

:

00:42:17,497 --> 00:42:18,067

It's so gross.

:

00:42:18,327 --> 00:42:19,097

wash your hands.

:

00:42:19,327 --> 00:42:20,017

It's too gross.

:

00:42:20,637 --> 00:42:22,807

that was my, my reaction to it.

:

00:42:22,827 --> 00:42:32,062

Now I, for me, I love the, the love, but

nothing, I mean, Ota, ma Brown, Whoopi

:

00:42:32,062 --> 00:42:39,262

Goldberg completely just brings the

movie to a completely new level for me.

:

00:42:39,402 --> 00:42:43,862

So anything within her, like I, I

could name off so many different

:

00:42:43,862 --> 00:42:48,022

scenes, but overall, the common

denominator is that the banter and

:

00:42:48,022 --> 00:42:53,062

the back and forth between Patrick

Swayze and Whoopi Goldberg is absolute

:

00:42:54,102 --> 00:42:54,902

dynamite to me.

:

00:42:54,932 --> 00:43:00,382

Like everything from when he's like

singing, on Henry vii, I am, I am versus

:

00:43:00,892 --> 00:43:05,302

them at the bank when she's trying to

close out the accounts and even like

:

00:43:05,302 --> 00:43:08,822

the sweet little transaction where

he gets the penny and gives that over

:

00:43:08,882 --> 00:43:12,942

to her and they're fighting with each

other while trying to talk to Molly.

:

00:43:13,222 --> 00:43:18,112

I just think that it's

Whoopi Goldberg is special.

:

00:43:18,302 --> 00:43:20,472

There's just really no

other way to, to put it.

:

00:43:20,692 --> 00:43:24,072

She sparkles and it's no

different in this movie.

:

00:43:24,942 --> 00:43:27,152

Katie: Really good way

to put it, the sparkle.

:

00:43:28,082 --> 00:43:34,332

I gotta say, scene hit me different

now too when I re watched it.

:

00:43:34,452 --> 00:43:39,692

And I did notice though that when

they're done messing around with

:

00:43:39,692 --> 00:43:45,092

the pottery and they go into the

living room to have sex, great.

:

00:43:45,102 --> 00:43:45,962

It's awesome.

:

00:43:47,207 --> 00:43:47,507

I'm like,

:

00:43:47,507 --> 00:43:49,907

Oh, like Patrick is really

good at love scenes.

:

00:43:49,907 --> 00:43:50,857

I'll just say like, he's

:

00:43:51,052 --> 00:43:51,272

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:43:51,347 --> 00:43:54,357

Katie: really good at

love scenes, but they

:

00:43:55,297 --> 00:43:57,377

screen must've washed their hands

:

00:43:57,382 --> 00:43:57,602

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:43:57,922 --> 00:43:58,202

.I did.

:

00:43:58,432 --> 00:43:58,652

Chad: Yes.

:

00:43:58,817 --> 00:44:03,767

Katie: have clay all over them and I'm

sorry, but that would have totally ruined.

:

00:44:04,722 --> 00:44:09,942

The moment, but also I don't think

I could relate me at my age now,

:

00:44:10,642 --> 00:44:12,142

but they're super awesome apartment.

:

00:44:12,152 --> 00:44:13,072

I don't think I would be able.

:

00:44:13,072 --> 00:44:14,912

I, I wouldn't be able to relax enough to

:

00:44:14,912 --> 00:44:15,502

enjoy it.

:

00:44:15,562 --> 00:44:18,022

Knowing that clay would be

getting all over all of our

:

00:44:18,232 --> 00:44:18,582

Lizzy: Right.

:

00:44:18,942 --> 00:44:19,222

I know.

:

00:44:19,962 --> 00:44:20,942

It was like really far.

:

00:44:21,012 --> 00:44:22,742

Like to me, I think it was like, like up.

:

00:44:23,432 --> 00:44:23,922

Towards

:

00:44:25,112 --> 00:44:26,602

like closer to her shoulders.

:

00:44:26,682 --> 00:44:27,882

I mean it was everywhere.

:

00:44:27,882 --> 00:44:28,682

And it was like, really?

:

00:44:28,842 --> 00:44:30,522

I remember I took an art

class in high school.

:

00:44:30,672 --> 00:44:33,162

That stuff gets like really

far under your fingernails.

:

00:44:33,422 --> 00:44:37,082

So to your point, this wouldn't be like

a, oh, let's just go wash our hands.

:

00:44:37,112 --> 00:44:38,682

Like you have to scrub.

:

00:44:39,022 --> 00:44:45,262

So that would've really, I think taken all

of the air out of the tires of the moment.

:

00:44:46,022 --> 00:44:47,262

Probably , but

:

00:44:47,572 --> 00:44:48,292

Chad: straight to the shower.

:

00:44:48,482 --> 00:44:49,062

Lizzy: that's right.

:

00:44:49,332 --> 00:44:50,222

Katie: what they should have done.

:

00:44:50,232 --> 00:44:50,662

Actually.

:

00:44:50,662 --> 00:44:52,242

That would have been way better.

:

00:44:52,452 --> 00:44:53,702

Lizzy: That would've That we should,

:

00:44:53,737 --> 00:44:54,937

Katie: gone to the shower to

:

00:44:55,202 --> 00:44:55,422

Lizzy: yes.

:

00:44:55,557 --> 00:44:56,797

Katie: then that's where

they have the love scene.

:

00:44:56,807 --> 00:44:57,647

That would have been way

:

00:44:57,647 --> 00:44:58,127

better.

:

00:44:58,322 --> 00:45:00,022

Lizzy: And make way more sense.

:

00:45:00,422 --> 00:45:01,982

'cause I mean, we all love a shower scene.

:

00:45:01,982 --> 00:45:02,382

It's great.

:

00:45:02,412 --> 00:45:02,702

Yeah.

:

00:45:02,732 --> 00:45:05,302

That would've been made way more sense,

:

00:45:05,642 --> 00:45:07,172

.

Chad: Yeah, it's already steamy,

:

00:45:07,322 --> 00:45:07,942

Lizzy: That's right.

:

00:45:08,162 --> 00:45:08,742

That's right.

:

00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:09,917

Katie: What

:

00:45:10,002 --> 00:45:10,292

Chad: Yeah.

:

00:45:10,292 --> 00:45:10,892

Patrick's,

:

00:45:11,257 --> 00:45:12,067

Katie: What are your thoughts?

:

00:45:12,077 --> 00:45:12,997

Favorite scenes?

:

00:45:13,522 --> 00:45:16,092

Chad: well, Katie, you're rapidly

becoming my wife's favorite

:

00:45:16,092 --> 00:45:18,012

person because she hadn't,

:

00:45:18,137 --> 00:45:18,157

Katie: ha.

:

00:45:18,352 --> 00:45:22,172

Chad: she hadn't seen Mystic Pizza

and she, horror movies are my thing.

:

00:45:22,192 --> 00:45:26,672

So whenever we sit down, I wanna watch a

horror movie, and she just says, if you do

:

00:45:26,672 --> 00:45:29,552

that, go upstairs, or I go away, pick one.

:

00:45:30,172 --> 00:45:34,192

And so Mystic Pizza, she

hadn't seen show that to her.

:

00:45:34,562 --> 00:45:35,152

Loves it.

:

00:45:36,072 --> 00:45:36,752

hadn't seen Ghost.

:

00:45:37,392 --> 00:45:37,612

Lizzy: Oh,

:

00:45:37,692 --> 00:45:42,032

Chad: And I was like, okay,

do you wanna watch Ghost?

:

00:45:42,212 --> 00:45:42,832

It was late.

:

00:45:42,932 --> 00:45:47,067

And she doesn't like to directly

say I want to do this, but

:

00:45:47,067 --> 00:45:48,307

she's speeding around the bush.

:

00:45:48,657 --> 00:45:52,587

Well, if you want to, if you, so I

could tell this was something that

:

00:45:52,587 --> 00:45:58,027

she wanted to see and so gets her

romantic movie night with me under

:

00:45:58,047 --> 00:45:59,747

the guise of Chad's doing homework.

:

00:45:59,777 --> 00:46:00,907

I'll, I might as well be around.

:

00:46:01,327 --> 00:46:02,507

So thank you for that.

:

00:46:02,597 --> 00:46:03,467

Thank you for our

:

00:46:03,527 --> 00:46:04,907

couple of date nights.

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00:46:04,997 --> 00:46:05,417

Katie: pleasure.

:

00:46:06,127 --> 00:46:06,707

Lizzy: that's awesome.

:

00:46:06,832 --> 00:46:07,052

Chad: pat

:

00:46:08,332 --> 00:46:10,972

Swayze is called that scene the

Sexiest thing he's ever done.

:

00:46:11,042 --> 00:46:11,422

Katie: has.

:

00:46:11,492 --> 00:46:11,932

Chad: I agree.

:

00:46:12,272 --> 00:46:14,072

that went over my head as a kid.

:

00:46:14,632 --> 00:46:17,032

'cause I'm just thinking

this is, this is gross.

:

00:46:17,032 --> 00:46:17,912

This is disgusting.

:

00:46:17,912 --> 00:46:18,832

But I think part of that

:

00:46:18,852 --> 00:46:20,112

is I.

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00:46:20,262 --> 00:46:21,232

Them getting dirty

:

00:46:21,907 --> 00:46:22,327

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

:

00:46:22,492 --> 00:46:25,272

Chad: and just not carrying

just the passion, carrying

:

00:46:25,272 --> 00:46:28,832

them away from everything else

that's gross and on their hands.

:

00:46:29,782 --> 00:46:30,952

that, that's fantastic.

:

00:46:31,172 --> 00:46:32,832

But for a bank.

:

00:46:33,112 --> 00:46:34,112

I do coding for it.

:

00:46:35,242 --> 00:46:37,312

we'll be going into the bank scene is

:

00:46:37,632 --> 00:46:38,232

a lot of fun.

:

00:46:38,732 --> 00:46:40,272

Now, it doesn't work that way.

:

00:46:40,272 --> 00:46:42,112

There's a ton of personal information.

:

00:46:42,252 --> 00:46:45,632

He can't just be like, Hey, this

client just withdrew $4 million.

:

00:46:46,132 --> 00:46:46,952

That's her name.

:

00:46:47,412 --> 00:46:53,152

You can't do that But so funny

watching her fumble her way through

:

00:46:53,152 --> 00:46:56,992

that and just the conversations, I'd

forgotten that she couldn't see Sam.

:

00:46:57,622 --> 00:46:58,632

It'd been a long time.

:

00:47:00,012 --> 00:47:05,272

her being turned the wrong way and just,

I'm marveling at the fact they managed

:

00:47:05,332 --> 00:47:07,512

to not get a single shot of anyone.

:

00:47:07,512 --> 00:47:08,872

Looking at Patrick Swayze,

:

00:47:08,942 --> 00:47:10,272

Katie: Mmm.

:

00:47:10,392 --> 00:47:13,592

Chad: watching people through

this movie and thinking I.

:

00:47:13,677 --> 00:47:15,597

I mean, Patrick Swayze's a handsome man.

:

00:47:16,617 --> 00:47:18,037

I'm looking, I

:

00:47:18,347 --> 00:47:18,637

like

:

00:47:18,937 --> 00:47:19,157

you.

:

00:47:19,297 --> 00:47:20,357

That's distracting.

:

00:47:20,502 --> 00:47:20,752

Katie: Good,

:

00:47:20,817 --> 00:47:21,037

Chad: So

:

00:47:21,092 --> 00:47:21,692

Lizzy: a really good point.

:

00:47:22,977 --> 00:47:23,317

Chad: not a

:

00:47:23,317 --> 00:47:24,397

soul is looking at

:

00:47:24,657 --> 00:47:28,477

the most attractive man they'll

probably run into of the year, and it's,

:

00:47:28,477 --> 00:47:30,037

that's impressive in and of itself.

:

00:47:30,942 --> 00:47:33,162

Katie: That is a good

point, and she talks to him.

:

00:47:33,892 --> 00:47:38,362

the rest of the cast does a really good

job of looking at her like she's crazy.

:

00:47:38,372 --> 00:47:40,282

Like, what was with this lady?

:

00:47:40,602 --> 00:47:40,992

You know?

:

00:47:41,877 --> 00:47:46,457

that bank scene, that was one

of my favorite scenes where they

:

00:47:46,457 --> 00:47:49,667

go, it's like, this is:

:

00:47:49,667 --> 00:47:51,117

So it's, none of this is electronic.

:

00:47:51,127 --> 00:47:53,777

They have to go get a

physical signature card

:

00:47:54,057 --> 00:47:55,877

so she can be added as Rita Miller.

:

00:47:56,677 --> 00:47:56,857

So

:

00:47:57,007 --> 00:47:57,227

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:47:57,477 --> 00:47:58,257

Katie: to be Rita Miller.

:

00:47:58,257 --> 00:47:59,417

She's got a fake ID.

:

00:48:01,087 --> 00:48:04,277

then they say something like, Oh,

you're going to need to call and

:

00:48:04,277 --> 00:48:06,147

take that upstairs immediately.

:

00:48:06,147 --> 00:48:06,187

Okay.

:

00:48:06,822 --> 00:48:10,422

So that in the ten minutes it takes

them to get upstairs, they can now

:

00:48:10,432 --> 00:48:11,282

close the account.

:

00:48:11,282 --> 00:48:11,722

But I loved

:

00:48:11,722 --> 00:48:13,232

her outfit in that scene too.

:

00:48:13,807 --> 00:48:14,027

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:48:15,022 --> 00:48:15,522

Chad: The hat.

:

00:48:15,622 --> 00:48:15,962

It was

:

00:48:15,977 --> 00:48:17,607

Lizzy: She's like going

to the derby or something.

:

00:48:17,727 --> 00:48:19,207

I mean like super ritzy.

:

00:48:19,387 --> 00:48:19,607

Yes.

:

00:48:19,992 --> 00:48:20,502

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:48:20,852 --> 00:48:21,622

Skirt suit.

:

00:48:22,692 --> 00:48:23,532

Yes, that was great.

:

00:48:23,542 --> 00:48:25,382

Also, my immediate...

:

00:48:26,792 --> 00:48:30,062

Well, you guys being horror fans,

I did take note of the opening

:

00:48:30,082 --> 00:48:30,602

credits.

:

00:48:31,022 --> 00:48:32,672

The music that they were playing.

:

00:48:33,307 --> 00:48:33,527

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:48:33,652 --> 00:48:33,972

Chad: my goodness.

:

00:48:33,972 --> 00:48:34,212

Yeah.

:

00:48:34,602 --> 00:48:38,222

Katie: So, were they, were they trying

to kind of fake us out a little bit?

:

00:48:38,222 --> 00:48:40,032

Cause it's this really ominous...

:

00:48:40,842 --> 00:48:45,992

Kind of spooky music as we're panning

through like seemingly an abandoned place

:

00:48:46,602 --> 00:48:49,832

And then it's like a fake out because

it's them doing construction on their new

:

00:48:49,832 --> 00:48:53,272

apartment like immediate comic relief Like

:

00:48:53,592 --> 00:48:55,502

what did you guys think about that scene?

:

00:48:57,242 --> 00:49:03,052

Lizzy: Yeah, it's like this desire to,

to set the tone for what could be, but

:

00:49:04,092 --> 00:49:07,532

ultimately, I mean, 'cause there are some,

there are some scary elements to this

:

00:49:07,532 --> 00:49:09,572

movie, but ultimately this is a drama.

:

00:49:09,682 --> 00:49:17,652

This is not a, a, a thriller or a scary

movie, but I do agree that it felt like

:

00:49:17,652 --> 00:49:21,252

they were trying to psych you out a little

bit or at least get your blood pumping

:

00:49:21,672 --> 00:49:24,372

and to possibly not know what to expect.

:

00:49:25,817 --> 00:49:29,067

Chad: Yeah, it almost had

that scream type grunge.

:

00:49:29,787 --> 00:49:29,907

I.

:

00:49:30,372 --> 00:49:32,032

10 to that opening credit.

:

00:49:32,532 --> 00:49:35,432

So yeah, I haven't seen

this movie in 20 plus years,

:

00:49:36,132 --> 00:49:38,392

so I had the initial thought of,

:

00:49:38,892 --> 00:49:41,472

oh no, is this much

darker than I remember.

:

00:49:41,792 --> 00:49:43,312

I don't remember it being that dark.

:

00:49:43,552 --> 00:49:44,872

Although there are some gnarly kills.

:

00:49:45,222 --> 00:49:45,712

Like you,

:

00:49:45,982 --> 00:49:50,632

Carl Carl Bruner getting

that, he was derated, he

:

00:49:50,632 --> 00:49:52,192

had the window right through his chest.

:

00:49:53,322 --> 00:49:53,992

impressive.

:

00:49:54,162 --> 00:49:54,482

Lizzy: brutal.

:

00:49:54,612 --> 00:49:56,792

Chad: the getting dragged to hell.

:

00:49:57,192 --> 00:49:59,232

I mean, Sam Raey did it

better and dragged me to

:

00:49:59,232 --> 00:49:59,352

hell.

:

00:49:59,452 --> 00:50:00,432

But these little

:

00:50:00,602 --> 00:50:00,802

Katie: a little

:

00:50:01,092 --> 00:50:01,512

Chad: demons

:

00:50:02,272 --> 00:50:02,492

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:50:02,762 --> 00:50:03,812

There's sounds though.

:

00:50:03,812 --> 00:50:08,772

They make that ugh kind of sound and it

really as a kid I remember that really

:

00:50:08,772 --> 00:50:12,172

freaked me out and looking at a back now.

:

00:50:13,887 --> 00:50:15,777

It's the animation of it.

:

00:50:15,777 --> 00:50:19,937

And I mean there's definitely some,

some cynicism there just having

:

00:50:19,967 --> 00:50:22,417

seen so many special effects now.

:

00:50:22,477 --> 00:50:25,737

But they're definitely cartoony

and the fact that that's not scary.

:

00:50:25,757 --> 00:50:28,137

But the sounds that they

make are very frightening.

:

00:50:28,177 --> 00:50:30,257

I mean, they're freaky for sure.

:

00:50:30,647 --> 00:50:32,897

It's, it was enough to scare me as a kid.

:

00:50:33,717 --> 00:50:34,937

Chad: It is a baby crying

:

00:50:35,237 --> 00:50:35,857

and it's,

:

00:50:35,927 --> 00:50:36,317

Katie: hmm.

:

00:50:36,357 --> 00:50:37,977

Chad: uh, reversed, and then it

:

00:50:37,997 --> 00:50:38,577

slowed down,

:

00:50:38,847 --> 00:50:39,347

Lizzy: No way.

:

00:50:39,417 --> 00:50:40,457

Chad: it's so unsettling.

:

00:50:41,217 --> 00:50:41,917

Lizzy: Oh my goodness.

:

00:50:42,387 --> 00:50:43,877

That makes complete sense.

:

00:50:43,977 --> 00:50:47,157

It almost like even adds to

like understanding what it is.

:

00:50:47,517 --> 00:50:51,037

'cause there's like some, you know,

like weird nuances to why that

:

00:50:51,037 --> 00:50:52,677

could be extra creepy being a demon.

:

00:50:52,677 --> 00:50:54,837

That's this very creepy

:

00:50:55,297 --> 00:50:56,157

Katie: Baby demons.

:

00:50:56,517 --> 00:50:56,737

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:50:57,077 --> 00:50:59,177

Chad: Yes, always more terrifying.

:

00:50:59,357 --> 00:51:00,627

Katie: yeah, the special effects,

:

00:51:00,677 --> 00:51:03,727

I mean, again, it's:

thought they did a really good job

:

00:51:03,907 --> 00:51:04,197

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

00:51:05,297 --> 00:51:08,937

Katie: the, yeah, the special

effects were pretty, pretty good.

:

00:51:09,327 --> 00:51:12,927

I immediately took note of

Patrick Swayze's hair in this.

:

00:51:12,947 --> 00:51:16,187

It's short, and it's

like lighter in color.

:

00:51:16,187 --> 00:51:18,397

It's like more blonde than brown,

:

00:51:18,847 --> 00:51:20,027

and it's perfectly coiffed.

:

00:51:20,832 --> 00:51:21,322

You know, I

:

00:51:21,737 --> 00:51:21,957

Chad: Yes,

:

00:51:22,012 --> 00:51:23,002

Katie: you guys notice his hair?

:

00:51:23,687 --> 00:51:24,467

Lizzy: Yes, yes,

:

00:51:24,477 --> 00:51:24,637

Chad: course.

:

00:51:24,672 --> 00:51:25,502

Katie: his hair, but

:

00:51:25,947 --> 00:51:26,267

Lizzy: absolutely.

:

00:51:26,497 --> 00:51:31,297

He's got the perfect, comb over and

in dirty dancing, it was fluffier.

:

00:51:31,537 --> 00:51:36,057

'cause I think that of the times know they

wanted it to be more in the sixties, so we

:

00:51:36,527 --> 00:51:39,217

went more with that kind of James Deanie

:

00:51:39,572 --> 00:51:39,982

Katie: Yep

:

00:51:40,677 --> 00:51:41,257

Lizzy: big hair.

:

00:51:41,647 --> 00:51:43,857

This was way more tame.

:

00:51:44,157 --> 00:51:49,377

But he still, I mean he, he had, oh my

gosh, he just, he had some great lettuce.

:

00:51:50,362 --> 00:51:50,572

Katie: Let us

:

00:51:51,437 --> 00:51:51,727

Lizzy: Yeah,

:

00:51:51,742 --> 00:51:53,452

Katie: he was just coming

off of Roadhouse and

:

00:51:53,452 --> 00:51:56,632

he had that Exceptional

mullet in Roadhouse.

:

00:51:56,797 --> 00:51:57,017

Chad: Yes.

:

00:51:57,187 --> 00:51:58,247

Lizzy: But he can pull it off though.

:

00:51:58,247 --> 00:51:58,847

He can pull it.

:

00:51:58,902 --> 00:52:02,322

Katie: it's I hate him all it but but

I do like Patrick Swayze's hair in

:

00:52:02,322 --> 00:52:07,832

it But yeah, it was just like a very

stark difference and then I was just

:

00:52:07,842 --> 00:52:12,032

talking on the last episode, because

there's a dog, the opening scene

:

00:52:12,042 --> 00:52:13,572

has a dog in the thing.

:

00:52:14,532 --> 00:52:15,002

And I was

:

00:52:15,402 --> 00:52:15,482

Lizzy: Hmm.

:

00:52:15,782 --> 00:52:22,062

Katie: how anytime there's a pet in

a movie, I'm like, I don't like it.

:

00:52:22,422 --> 00:52:25,082

Something's going to happen

to that dog or that cat.

:

00:52:25,832 --> 00:52:26,392

And.

:

00:52:26,827 --> 00:52:27,217

I'm wrong.

:

00:52:27,787 --> 00:52:32,677

This is the one example that, because

it's odd that we're shown the cat, so

:

00:52:32,677 --> 00:52:36,077

there's a cat, and so I had forgotten,

I hadn't seen this movie in a long time,

:

00:52:36,097 --> 00:52:38,237

so I'm like, shit, something happen to

:

00:52:38,237 --> 00:52:39,007

this cat?

:

00:52:39,367 --> 00:52:40,227

But no, the cat does

:

00:52:40,257 --> 00:52:41,517

play a part in the movie,

:

00:52:41,522 --> 00:52:41,742

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:52:43,662 --> 00:52:46,632

Kind of saves Molly

somewhat you could say.

:

00:52:46,732 --> 00:52:47,452

And then, yeah.

:

00:52:48,487 --> 00:52:49,947

Chad: The extra senses of pets.

:

00:52:49,947 --> 00:52:50,227

Yeah.

:

00:52:50,617 --> 00:52:52,987

Doug does the dog die.com.

:

00:52:53,217 --> 00:52:55,147

Very important website to check out.

:

00:52:55,907 --> 00:52:56,987

it, it tells you

:

00:52:58,047 --> 00:52:58,267

Yes.

:

00:52:58,647 --> 00:52:58,867

Yes.

:

00:52:59,187 --> 00:53:00,827

'cause one of our other

hosts, he has a rule.

:

00:53:00,897 --> 00:53:06,387

He's like, if an animal dies, particularly

a dog in the movie, I'm giving it

:

00:53:06,507 --> 00:53:06,867

a zero.

:

00:53:07,187 --> 00:53:08,187

I may not even show up.

:

00:53:08,407 --> 00:53:08,907

So we,

:

00:53:09,617 --> 00:53:10,237

Lizzy: Oh my goodness.

:

00:53:10,287 --> 00:53:10,747

Chad: But yeah,

:

00:53:10,997 --> 00:53:11,267

Katie: It's

:

00:53:11,467 --> 00:53:15,387

Chad: I I do love, I love the

mythology of the cats, having that

:

00:53:15,597 --> 00:53:18,107

extra sensory and, and scratching the

:

00:53:18,107 --> 00:53:20,227

guy's face or even

being able to sense Sam.

:

00:53:20,287 --> 00:53:20,867

So that's cool.

:

00:53:21,377 --> 00:53:21,697

Lizzy: I agree.

:

00:53:21,857 --> 00:53:22,697

I think that's very cool.

:

00:53:24,032 --> 00:53:25,642

Katie: Uh, what'd you guys

think of the apartment?

:

00:53:26,321 --> 00:53:30,321

Lizzy: I mean, the apartment is, I

mean, I have to, I have to be completely

:

00:53:30,321 --> 00:53:32,641

honest, I, I love the apartment.

:

00:53:32,761 --> 00:53:34,081

I think the apartment's

absolutely gorgeous.

:

00:53:34,261 --> 00:53:38,601

But my, I was felt like such a cynic

because my first initial thought was

:

00:53:38,601 --> 00:53:40,601

like, what is this abandoned building?

:

00:53:41,486 --> 00:53:43,186

In the middle of New York

City that you're building.

:

00:53:43,206 --> 00:53:43,866

And it's huge.

:

00:53:44,096 --> 00:53:44,826

It's so big.

:

00:53:45,126 --> 00:53:48,506

And I'm, it's like that same

kind of concept in friends where

:

00:53:48,506 --> 00:53:49,706

you're like, Monica was a chef.

:

00:53:49,706 --> 00:53:52,386

There's no way she was ever gonna

be able to afford that apartment

:

00:53:53,116 --> 00:53:53,466

.

Chad: Right.

:

00:53:53,486 --> 00:53:55,146

Lizzy: But I in.

:

00:53:55,166 --> 00:53:59,386

But in terms of the aesthetic of

the apartment, I love the, and this

:

00:53:59,386 --> 00:54:01,986

was something that stuck out to

me as a kid too, is in her front

:

00:54:01,986 --> 00:54:07,666

door, she has these like glass,

kind of like meshy glass windows

:

00:54:08,176 --> 00:54:10,466

that just meet right up to her door.

:

00:54:11,316 --> 00:54:14,926

There's many scenes where they

highlight that, that's the backdrop

:

00:54:14,946 --> 00:54:16,746

of a conversation she might be having.

:

00:54:17,526 --> 00:54:18,586

and then I love the steps.

:

00:54:19,026 --> 00:54:21,906

I mean, I, they would never be able

to raise children with those steps.

:

00:54:22,126 --> 00:54:26,226

I'm telling you what, but I, I do really,

really love the floating staircase

:

00:54:26,877 --> 00:54:31,607

Chad: Yeah, it's, it's the house Hunter's

meme of, I'm a Sunday school teacher

:

00:54:31,627 --> 00:54:33,327

and my wife hangs potatoes as art.

:

00:54:33,707 --> 00:54:36,207

Our budget is, is $3 million.

:

00:54:36,432 --> 00:54:36,652

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:54:36,767 --> 00:54:38,457

Chad: what, did this happen?

:

00:54:38,477 --> 00:54:39,497

But you know what, it's fine.

:

00:54:39,927 --> 00:54:40,457

It's fine.

:

00:54:41,517 --> 00:54:41,737

was

:

00:54:41,782 --> 00:54:42,312

Katie: same.

:

00:54:42,517 --> 00:54:42,817

Chad: Go ahead.

:

00:54:42,972 --> 00:54:44,382

Katie: now about whatever city.

:

00:54:44,382 --> 00:54:48,452

I mean, everywhere, I feel like

But Like a closet under the

:

00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:50,372

stairs is like the listing for

:

00:54:50,372 --> 00:54:51,772

what a regular person could

:

00:54:51,902 --> 00:54:52,192

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

00:54:52,392 --> 00:54:52,682

Chad: Yeah.

:

00:54:53,862 --> 00:54:54,152

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

00:54:55,512 --> 00:55:01,502

Katie: But I had the, I was sort of like,

how much money do bankers make in the 90s?

:

00:55:01,582 --> 00:55:03,942

Because she's not, she hasn't made it

:

00:55:03,942 --> 00:55:04,142

yet.

:

00:55:04,162 --> 00:55:04,892

She's an artist.

:

00:55:05,822 --> 00:55:06,112

Chad: Yeah.

:

00:55:06,182 --> 00:55:06,642

Katie: there is no way.

:

00:55:06,642 --> 00:55:09,462

It's literally in the

middle of New York City.

:

00:55:09,762 --> 00:55:13,002

It's in Soho, like a

sought after neighborhood.

:

00:55:13,272 --> 00:55:19,612

I did see a note like in the trivia

that in:

:

00:55:19,612 --> 00:55:22,242

a while ago still, so who knows

what it would be listed at now.

:

00:55:22,602 --> 00:55:23,102

It is a

:

00:55:23,552 --> 00:55:26,142

4, 300 square foot loft,

:

00:55:26,802 --> 00:55:27,022

Lizzy: Wow.

:

00:55:27,152 --> 00:55:30,332

Katie: huge, and the address

is 102 Prince Street.

:

00:55:31,212 --> 00:55:34,152

million in:

:

00:55:34,162 --> 00:55:36,612

So probably like 15 now,

maybe, I don't know.

:

00:55:37,402 --> 00:55:39,522

It has three bedrooms, three and a half

:

00:55:39,532 --> 00:55:41,562

baths and a subzero refrigerator.

:

00:55:42,272 --> 00:55:43,012

So I don't think they would

:

00:55:43,017 --> 00:55:44,417

Lizzy: Oh, nope.

:

00:55:44,647 --> 00:55:44,937

Nope.

:

00:55:46,136 --> 00:55:46,426

Katie: it's a

:

00:55:46,631 --> 00:55:48,671

Chad: I mean, $4 million

if you skim it off.

:

00:55:48,771 --> 00:55:48,991

So

:

00:55:49,331 --> 00:55:51,551

he, he wasn't a corrupt banker though,

:

00:55:51,586 --> 00:55:51,906

Katie: that's

:

00:55:52,011 --> 00:55:52,231

Chad: so

:

00:55:52,436 --> 00:55:55,896

Katie: That's what his buddy

Carl was supposed to speaking of.

:

00:55:56,381 --> 00:55:56,671

Chad: yeah.

:

00:55:56,816 --> 00:55:58,546

Katie: That was one of

the things I was like.

:

00:55:59,571 --> 00:56:05,881

Clearly, they were friends, but Carl

so easily plots to kill his friend.

:

00:56:05,891 --> 00:56:09,041

I mean, we didn't see any attempt

to get the code outside of just,

:

00:56:09,871 --> 00:56:12,831

learns that Sam changes

the code that he needs to

:

00:56:12,991 --> 00:56:13,411

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

:

00:56:13,921 --> 00:56:20,271

Katie: So, Carl's laundering money

for, we assume the mob, and he

:

00:56:20,271 --> 00:56:23,371

doesn't have this code anymore that

he needs to do that, so he kills Sam.

:

00:56:24,061 --> 00:56:26,601

immediately he goes from, oh crap,

:

00:56:26,661 --> 00:56:30,031

you changed the code, I guess

I have to kill you, and they're

:

00:56:30,086 --> 00:56:30,426

Lizzy: You know,

:

00:56:30,556 --> 00:56:32,036

Chad: there's some regret, right?

:

00:56:32,186 --> 00:56:32,876

Like he

:

00:56:32,876 --> 00:56:35,036

tells Willie, you were just

supposed to get the wallet.

:

00:56:35,456 --> 00:56:40,076

Lizzy: yes, I was gonna say that I think

that, I think his intention was for Willie

:

00:56:40,076 --> 00:56:44,356

just to mug him, but then things kind of,

when Sam fought back, Willie panicked.

:

00:56:44,576 --> 00:56:48,116

But I, I think that there, I

have to imagine at least hope

:

00:56:48,116 --> 00:56:49,796

that there was some regret there.

:

00:56:50,536 --> 00:56:55,836

But at the end of the day, Carl

is a desperate man and, and

:

00:56:55,836 --> 00:56:59,156

desperate people do really horrible

things in the heat of the moment.

:

00:56:59,396 --> 00:57:01,076

I mean, he is, doesn't

make him a good guy.

:

00:57:01,096 --> 00:57:01,956

He is an awful guy.

:

00:57:02,056 --> 00:57:06,156

But I think, um, he was probably

too worried about getting

:

00:57:06,466 --> 00:57:08,276

whacked by the WA mob and.

:

00:57:08,601 --> 00:57:09,611

Katie: That is true.

:

00:57:09,641 --> 00:57:11,001

I did consider that as well.

:

00:57:11,001 --> 00:57:11,161

But

:

00:57:11,161 --> 00:57:13,741

then he immediately,

makes a move for Molly,

:

00:57:14,101 --> 00:57:14,321

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:57:14,911 --> 00:57:18,121

It's so bad he probably

always had a thing for it.

:

00:57:18,241 --> 00:57:21,241

'cause they were kind of, they

painted this picture like they were

:

00:57:22,351 --> 00:57:26,371

like the three Musketeers kind of

in this, not, not necessarily a

:

00:57:26,371 --> 00:57:29,011

throuple in the fact that there was

no romantic involvement between the

:

00:57:29,011 --> 00:57:34,451

three of them, but that there was

this closeness to all three of them.

:

00:57:34,831 --> 00:57:39,571

And I think they were trying to set that

picture in the very beginning as them

:

00:57:40,881 --> 00:57:42,851

demolishing the apartment to rebuild it.

:

00:57:42,851 --> 00:57:43,651

And so, I don't know.

:

00:57:43,691 --> 00:57:46,891

I think I, I am sure that there was

always an attraction there, but it

:

00:57:46,891 --> 00:57:53,211

definitely does highlight his squirminess

as to the fact that you would just move

:

00:57:53,211 --> 00:57:57,251

in and plus she's like vulnerable and

it's, she's heartbroken and it just kind

:

00:57:57,251 --> 00:58:01,131

of felt like he was completely taking

advantage of her in in that moment.

:

00:58:01,311 --> 00:58:02,211

It just felt icky.

:

00:58:03,041 --> 00:58:03,191

Katie: it

:

00:58:03,411 --> 00:58:03,831

Chad: All right,

:

00:58:04,021 --> 00:58:06,391

with the coffee spilled

on the shirt and then

:

00:58:06,391 --> 00:58:06,591

just

:

00:58:06,886 --> 00:58:07,106

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:58:07,111 --> 00:58:07,791

Chad: taking it off.

:

00:58:07,901 --> 00:58:09,481

Katie: Like he's gonna seduce her

:

00:58:09,486 --> 00:58:10,786

Lizzy: Let me just show you my muscles

:

00:58:10,901 --> 00:58:11,131

Katie: know.

:

00:58:11,961 --> 00:58:12,061

I

:

00:58:12,071 --> 00:58:12,521

Chad: Does that

:

00:58:12,521 --> 00:58:12,681

work?

:

00:58:12,881 --> 00:58:13,161

I mean,

:

00:58:13,391 --> 00:58:13,851

Katie: well,

:

00:58:14,226 --> 00:58:14,386

Lizzy: grieving.

:

00:58:14,786 --> 00:58:18,026

I feel like that's, I mean that if

it was different world, different

:

00:58:18,026 --> 00:58:22,946

time, maybe the, the shirtless coffee

would work, but not in that moment.

:

00:58:22,966 --> 00:58:26,906

You're like, I'm literally mourning

the death of the love of my life.

:

00:58:26,936 --> 00:58:27,466

Like what?

:

00:58:27,766 --> 00:58:29,506

I'm not, I'm not a monkey.

:

00:58:29,686 --> 00:58:34,006

I'm not gonna see that there's muscles

in front of me and just respond like it's

:

00:58:34,461 --> 00:58:37,641

Katie: plus her, her man that died looked

:

00:58:37,861 --> 00:58:38,821

really good.

:

00:58:38,821 --> 00:58:39,871

So I mean, unless you're

:

00:58:39,881 --> 00:58:42,821

bringing something extra, I don't know.

:

00:58:43,196 --> 00:58:43,486

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

00:58:43,631 --> 00:58:43,981

Chad: right?

:

00:58:44,061 --> 00:58:46,281

Katie: see how where his

thought process was going.

:

00:58:46,471 --> 00:58:47,011

Anyway.

:

00:58:47,794 --> 00:58:52,434

I'm curious what you guys think

about the shot when Sam We hear a

:

00:58:52,434 --> 00:58:58,504

gunshot, we don't see it, and then

we see Sam running after the robber.

:

00:58:59,744 --> 00:59:00,684

He is a ghost.

:

00:59:00,694 --> 00:59:03,544

He is dead, though, but

he doesn't realize it yet.

:

00:59:03,734 --> 00:59:08,754

So, was that shot, again, another

little, don't know, what'd

:

00:59:08,754 --> 00:59:09,774

you guys think about that?

:

00:59:09,784 --> 00:59:12,684

was it heavy handed, or was it just right?

:

00:59:13,774 --> 00:59:16,634

Showing the audience like

giving us that little delay

:

00:59:16,634 --> 00:59:17,704

like, oh, maybe he didn't die.

:

00:59:17,764 --> 00:59:18,364

Oh, he

:

00:59:18,364 --> 00:59:19,124

did and he's a ghost.

:

00:59:19,834 --> 00:59:20,574

Lizzy: Oh, I loved it.

:

00:59:20,734 --> 00:59:28,254

I, I felt like I really love that they,

with every character, they, you get to

:

00:59:28,254 --> 00:59:31,614

find out as they do that they've died.

:

00:59:31,954 --> 00:59:35,894

You know, with Carl, I think we, we kind

of, we kind of know with Carl because we

:

00:59:35,894 --> 00:59:39,494

see the thing fall down, but the running

ahead, I remember the first time seeing

:

00:59:39,494 --> 00:59:45,339

that just the idea that he would've died

would've never occurred to me because

:

00:59:45,399 --> 00:59:46,899

of the fact that you see him running.

:

00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:48,539

And it's the same thing with Willie.

:

00:59:48,539 --> 00:59:51,579

You know, you don't actually see the

accident, so you see Willie standing

:

00:59:51,579 --> 00:59:55,619

there and then he sees his, I think

that the idea that they see their

:

00:59:55,649 --> 01:00:01,749

body and realize that they're dead and

you get to watch that is, um, eerie.

:

01:00:02,049 --> 01:00:05,749

And because of that, just

really enjoyable to watch.

:

01:00:05,749 --> 01:00:06,749

It adds to the entertainment.

:

01:00:07,934 --> 01:00:09,384

Chad: Yeah, I love the fake out.

:

01:00:09,564 --> 01:00:14,264

And because you see Patrick Swayze,

Sam running after Willie, you start to

:

01:00:14,264 --> 01:00:15,784

wonder, because Molly's out of the frame.

:

01:00:17,204 --> 01:00:18,424

did the gunshot go off?

:

01:00:18,424 --> 01:00:22,624

Did it go, did it kill Molly when

there was a Japanese remake of this

:

01:00:22,964 --> 01:00:23,404

Katie: Yeah

:

01:00:23,644 --> 01:00:24,904

Chad: and they switched genders,

:

01:00:25,324 --> 01:00:26,744

it was the woman that was the ghost.

:

01:00:26,884 --> 01:00:28,824

It was back in your arms again.

:

01:00:29,959 --> 01:00:30,249

Lizzy: Nice.

:

01:00:30,644 --> 01:00:32,184

Chad: you know that I, I like it.

:

01:00:32,374 --> 01:00:33,224

Katie: also like it.

:

01:00:33,244 --> 01:00:38,214

I can just see audiences like if somebody

hasn't seen it before It's one of

:

01:00:38,214 --> 01:00:44,174

those things that maybe Because that's

not done as much nowadays in movies.

:

01:00:44,204 --> 01:00:47,064

I don't know, I just wondered

as I was watching it if, if a

:

01:00:47,074 --> 01:00:49,904

brand new audience that saw it

might think it was heavy handed.

:

01:00:49,934 --> 01:00:52,044

I personally also very

much appreciated it.

:

01:00:52,114 --> 01:00:54,344

So, I'm glad that we're

all aligned on that.

:

01:00:55,087 --> 01:01:00,837

And I also, in the same way, I

kind of like the, the, there's a

:

01:01:00,847 --> 01:01:03,607

few, they're not really montages,

but they're little scenes.

:

01:01:03,987 --> 01:01:10,447

throughout the movie where he encounters

other ghosts they teach him tips and

:

01:01:10,447 --> 01:01:12,397

tricks on like basically how to be a

:

01:01:12,397 --> 01:01:12,927

ghost.

:

01:01:13,714 --> 01:01:15,654

Chad: Oh, the subway ghost is fantastic.

:

01:01:15,974 --> 01:01:16,714

Lizzy: You so creepy.

:

01:01:17,729 --> 01:01:19,819

Chad: He's got such manic energy,

:

01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:20,369

Katie: Mm hmm.

:

01:01:20,729 --> 01:01:23,659

Chad: from the beginning of Get

off my train, and then you'd get

:

01:01:23,659 --> 01:01:26,379

that little subtle, I like that

they don't hold your hand, but

:

01:01:26,379 --> 01:01:27,099

he breaks the window.

:

01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:27,359

Katie: Mm

:

01:01:27,529 --> 01:01:27,969

Chad: wait a minute.

:

01:01:28,049 --> 01:01:28,649

Katie: you do that?

:

01:01:29,124 --> 01:01:29,344

Lizzy: Yes.

:

01:01:29,549 --> 01:01:29,839

Chad: Yeah.

:

01:01:30,299 --> 01:01:31,799

And so going back and him

:

01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:36,839

remembering and just the rage of knocking

people's papers out of their hands

:

01:01:36,959 --> 01:01:37,349

Katie: hmm.

:

01:01:37,699 --> 01:01:41,799

Chad: all these other objects,

whatever's going on, I think he

:

01:01:41,799 --> 01:01:46,159

almost gets the impression there's

a more sinister tone of, you don't

:

01:01:46,269 --> 01:01:48,279

resolve whatever's going to happen in

:

01:01:48,279 --> 01:01:50,479

this life, gonna go insane.

:

01:01:51,289 --> 01:01:51,369

Lizzy: Hmm,

:

01:01:52,019 --> 01:01:58,279

Chad: you're capacity is gonna diminish

you're just gonna be this ball of rage.

:

01:01:58,759 --> 01:02:02,919

I don't know, I, I like to think of

that guy as a somewhat normal guy that

:

01:02:02,919 --> 01:02:05,239

couldn't to resolve whatever it was

:

01:02:05,399 --> 01:02:05,619

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:02:05,779 --> 01:02:06,199

Chad: and now

:

01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:06,999

he's just stuck.

:

01:02:07,044 --> 01:02:07,539

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:07,839

Chad: Yeah.

:

01:02:08,552 --> 01:02:09,652

Lizzy: that's a good way to put it.

:

01:02:09,692 --> 01:02:13,532

I never actually thought about

it like that, but that actually

:

01:02:13,532 --> 01:02:15,132

makes complete and total sense.

:

01:02:15,292 --> 01:02:15,732

I love that.

:

01:02:15,762 --> 01:02:18,572

It's like the wanderers of

people who are just never able

:

01:02:18,572 --> 01:02:21,172

to finish their business, and

:

01:02:21,492 --> 01:02:22,032

Katie: Mm hmm.

:

01:02:22,172 --> 01:02:22,572

Lizzy: I like that.

:

01:02:23,567 --> 01:02:23,857

Chad: Yeah.

:

01:02:23,917 --> 01:02:27,257

Now, what would Patrick

Swizzy would Sam say?

:

01:02:27,437 --> 01:02:32,937

Say the mob kills, his, his

buddy say the mob kills him.

:

01:02:33,167 --> 01:02:34,017

Does he leave?

:

01:02:34,197 --> 01:02:34,757

is he done?

:

01:02:34,867 --> 01:02:41,037

Because he, pretty much, as soon as his

buddy Carl is killed, he gets the bright

:

01:02:41,087 --> 01:02:45,477

white and off he goes, says his goodbye.

:

01:02:45,557 --> 01:02:45,777

Katie: Well,

:

01:02:45,777 --> 01:02:46,157

Chad: if the.

:

01:02:46,347 --> 01:02:51,717

Katie: his reason for staying, his,

job, so to speak, is to protect Molly.

:

01:02:51,937 --> 01:02:52,317

Cause there's

:

01:02:52,432 --> 01:02:52,792

Lizzy: I agree.

:

01:02:53,837 --> 01:02:58,037

Katie: He learns that Willy's gonna go

back to the apartment and Molly's there.

:

01:02:58,387 --> 01:03:02,457

and then he finds out that both

Otome and Molly are in danger.

:

01:03:02,457 --> 01:03:03,937

So he feels like he needs to...

:

01:03:04,897 --> 01:03:08,627

Protect now Otome, but initially Molly.

:

01:03:08,807 --> 01:03:10,107

So, protect those two.

:

01:03:10,337 --> 01:03:14,217

He did, and then he's free

from his ghostly being

:

01:03:14,227 --> 01:03:16,557

to the white light.

:

01:03:17,722 --> 01:03:18,702

Lizzy: Yep, I agree.

:

01:03:18,707 --> 01:03:22,637

Katie: before doing so, I really

loved the ending because, yes, he...

:

01:03:23,227 --> 01:03:29,827

There's a moment right before then where

they both can hear him and feel him.

:

01:03:29,827 --> 01:03:32,657

I'm not sure if they're able to

see him or not, but he kisses her.

:

01:03:32,677 --> 01:03:34,997

He kisses Molly.

:

01:03:36,082 --> 01:03:43,542

her for the first and only and last,

like first and last time that he loves

:

01:03:43,542 --> 01:03:45,572

her because he never says, I love

:

01:03:45,572 --> 01:03:45,812

you.

:

01:03:45,822 --> 01:03:48,062

He has historically said, ditto

:

01:03:48,442 --> 01:03:49,192

instead.

:

01:03:50,122 --> 01:03:53,472

And he also gives like a nice little

send off for Otome that her mother

:

01:03:53,472 --> 01:04:00,532

would be proud because she does actually

have the gift, she's been just like,

:

01:04:01,417 --> 01:04:06,237

Pulling the, the wool over people's

eyes up until now, but now she has

:

01:04:06,237 --> 01:04:07,167

the actual gift.

:

01:04:07,864 --> 01:04:08,084

Lizzy: Oh.

:

01:04:08,314 --> 01:04:09,634

Chad: I like that she's the

:

01:04:10,074 --> 01:04:10,594

charlatan.

:

01:04:10,794 --> 01:04:14,434

I, I had read that they wanted her to

be an actual psychic, but it, it's so

:

01:04:14,434 --> 01:04:16,314

much funnier when she's conning the

:

01:04:16,734 --> 01:04:20,154

Latino family and she just starts

rattling off traditional Latino

:

01:04:20,184 --> 01:04:20,474

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

01:04:20,504 --> 01:04:20,904

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:04:21,054 --> 01:04:23,674

Chad: So she gets to Maria and

they're like, oh yeah, that one.

:

01:04:25,344 --> 01:04:26,154

Sure, sure.

:

01:04:26,334 --> 01:04:27,874

But now she can't turn it off.

:

01:04:27,984 --> 01:04:29,864

Katie: she brought the comic relief.

:

01:04:30,529 --> 01:04:35,459

And I loved how you pointed out,

Lizzie, the chemistry between

:

01:04:35,469 --> 01:04:37,059

Patrick Swayze and Whoopi Goldberg.

:

01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:45,479

Because, I, I didn't feel like

there was a problem with chemistry

:

01:04:45,479 --> 01:04:46,629

between Demi and Patrick.

:

01:04:46,629 --> 01:04:51,339

There wasn't a problem, I just

felt like the chemistry was better

:

01:04:51,389 --> 01:04:53,649

with Whoopi than Demi, somehow.

:

01:04:54,625 --> 01:04:56,265

what did you think about the

chemistry with he and da?

:

01:04:56,275 --> 01:04:58,825

I didn't think there was anything

wrong with it, but it wasn't

:

01:04:58,825 --> 01:05:01,575

like the most spectacular

chemistry with Demi.

:

01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:03,430

Lizzy: I, I like their chemistry.

:

01:05:03,630 --> 01:05:07,630

I think that there's so much going on

in the beginning about her feeling.

:

01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,870

There was some parts that kind of

confused me a little bit because she's

:

01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:16,110

trying to push him into like really

committing, like saying I love you.

:

01:05:16,110 --> 01:05:20,200

You know, they have that conversation

right before he gets, before he,

:

01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:22,440

he gets shot and you know, he's.

:

01:05:23,660 --> 01:05:24,890

She's like, you know, you never say it.

:

01:05:24,930 --> 01:05:26,010

I really want you to say it.

:

01:05:26,310 --> 01:05:29,690

And so you can sense that

she's really trying to, to

:

01:05:29,690 --> 01:05:31,050

take that next step with him.

:

01:05:31,279 --> 01:05:36,200

However, just a little bit prior,

they, they're talking about marriage

:

01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:38,240

and he's like, you know, you never

wanted to talk about it before.

:

01:05:38,420 --> 01:05:42,040

So it's I think she's trying

to take this step with him.

:

01:05:42,510 --> 01:05:45,600

Like all, it's almost like she's

trying to just go from crawling

:

01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,320

to running a little bit with him

of being like, let's get married.

:

01:05:49,580 --> 01:05:50,840

You don't say, I love you enough.

:

01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:51,680

let's go for it.

:

01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:57,000

And so I think that I imagined that

the purpose of that was to try to.

:

01:05:58,450 --> 01:06:03,040

Maybe somehow set the tone between the,

the I love You and the ditto kind of like

:

01:06:03,260 --> 01:06:06,600

sub storyline between the two of them,

of that even though they live together

:

01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:12,279

and they are in love, there's kind of

something holding Sam back and he's not

:

01:06:12,279 --> 01:06:18,760

able to really fully realize the depth of

his love for her until he's at the point

:

01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:24,240

of losing her, which then kind of takes

him to the final end of the arc where he

:

01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,040

says, I love you, and it's so passionate.

:

01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:29,279

And then she, you know, responds

with Ditto, which I just think is

:

01:06:29,279 --> 01:06:31,880

like ironic and adorable and perfect.

:

01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:38,680

And it's just like her way of being able

to say now I see, I, I didn't need you

:

01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,410

to, to tell me how you felt through love.

:

01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:42,490

I can just feel it.

:

01:06:42,490 --> 01:06:44,050

And it just, is it, it's there.

:

01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:49,170

And so I, I do, I liked their chemistry,

but I can agree with you that it

:

01:06:49,170 --> 01:06:52,210

felt like they weren't fully going

there, possibly for that reason.

:

01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:55,130

'cause at the end it's

there like full throttle.

:

01:06:55,165 --> 01:06:55,995

Katie: That's a good point.

:

01:06:56,235 --> 01:07:01,185

Lizzy: but I think I had mentioned earlier

about, about how much I love the dynamic

:

01:07:01,185 --> 01:07:03,545

between Whoopi and, and Patrick Swayze.

:

01:07:03,545 --> 01:07:08,425

To me, that's like where the fire really

is and it's so perfect that she was kind

:

01:07:08,425 --> 01:07:13,225

of a con artist because it creates this

like confusion and she's trying to learn

:

01:07:13,325 --> 01:07:15,665

as we are, and it's just, it's epic.

:

01:07:15,825 --> 01:07:16,225

I love it.

:

01:07:16,913 --> 01:07:20,723

Chad: Yeah, oay gets the arc where

Molly doesn't really, she doesn't

:

01:07:20,723 --> 01:07:22,403

have that arc until the very end.

:

01:07:22,433 --> 01:07:25,763

Like you said, with

the ditto, you get Oay.

:

01:07:26,688 --> 01:07:28,028

All these different moments of,

:

01:07:29,078 --> 01:07:31,188

she's, just compelled by sheer annoyance

:

01:07:31,528 --> 01:07:31,988

at first

:

01:07:31,998 --> 01:07:32,278

Katie: yeah.

:

01:07:32,448 --> 01:07:32,668

Lizzy: Yes.

:

01:07:33,248 --> 01:07:35,348

Chad: and, and she has to

go through all these things.

:

01:07:35,468 --> 01:07:36,308

I don't want to go to heaven.

:

01:07:36,708 --> 01:07:38,028

I want to go cash this check.

:

01:07:38,368 --> 01:07:43,308

And then she's gotta give $4 million to

the nuns, and he's slowly making her a

:

01:07:43,308 --> 01:07:44,628

more honest person

:

01:07:44,908 --> 01:07:45,278

Katie: And she

:

01:07:45,528 --> 01:07:45,748

Chad: and,

:

01:07:46,398 --> 01:07:46,818

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

:

01:07:46,828 --> 01:07:49,998

Katie: it's a really great

journey, because he's such a

:

01:07:50,328 --> 01:07:52,938

straight laced, honest person.

:

01:07:52,938 --> 01:07:56,538

And I, yeah, it's such a

fun, I do love their dynamic.

:

01:07:56,808 --> 01:08:02,958

Speaking of the nuns though, he makes

her give the 4 million to the nuns who

:

01:08:02,958 --> 01:08:06,558

have the exact same habit as she will

play two years later in Sister Act.

:

01:08:06,848 --> 01:08:07,838

Wasn't that fun?

:

01:08:08,498 --> 01:08:08,788

Chad: Yeah.

:

01:08:09,048 --> 01:08:10,518

Katie: Didn't you think

she, he should have

:

01:08:10,518 --> 01:08:11,748

let her have some of the money?

:

01:08:12,788 --> 01:08:13,828

I was like, go

:

01:08:13,923 --> 01:08:14,123

Lizzy: know.

:

01:08:15,308 --> 01:08:15,588

Katie: go

:

01:08:15,623 --> 01:08:16,313

Lizzy: I'll never know.

:

01:08:16,358 --> 01:08:16,938

Katie: cashier's check.

:

01:08:16,938 --> 01:08:17,298

Yeah.

:

01:08:17,298 --> 01:08:18,508

Like give her something.

:

01:08:19,133 --> 01:08:19,423

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

01:08:19,423 --> 01:08:22,983

Even if it's just like 50 grand or

something like that, like a small amount.

:

01:08:23,103 --> 01:08:26,622

I do appreciate, he's like the,

there you cannot have a paper trail.

:

01:08:26,733 --> 01:08:30,233

Like you don't want any of this dirty

money but I think it kind of goes back

:

01:08:30,233 --> 01:08:34,723

to Chad's point of, I, for me, I would

have got probably been upset as well

:

01:08:34,813 --> 01:08:39,563

being like, I'm holding a check for $4

million in my hand and you were telling

:

01:08:39,563 --> 01:08:41,962

me I have to give the entire thing away.

:

01:08:42,343 --> 01:08:43,723

But his response was perfect.

:

01:08:43,823 --> 01:08:44,843

He was like, look at it this way.

:

01:08:45,223 --> 01:08:45,723

Go to heaven.

:

01:08:46,063 --> 01:08:48,243

And and that's, it was kind of amazing.

:

01:08:48,643 --> 01:08:55,603

'cause you have to imagine that that's

like the ultimate kind of bummer of

:

01:08:55,633 --> 01:08:59,913

being able to see this huge feature for

you and then just giving it away and,

:

01:08:59,973 --> 01:09:01,712

and one handoff of a piece of paper.

:

01:09:01,933 --> 01:09:04,462

But I think, it's the

right thing to do though.

:

01:09:04,622 --> 01:09:06,143

I, I still kind of stand by it.

:

01:09:06,143 --> 01:09:07,823

It would probably would've

felt icky to keep it.

:

01:09:08,417 --> 01:09:09,087

Katie: it would have.

:

01:09:09,127 --> 01:09:11,698

I'm just saying like real,

it's the perfect way to do

:

01:09:11,698 --> 01:09:13,028

it for the movie for sure.

:

01:09:13,497 --> 01:09:16,188

But in real life, it'd be like, can

I have a little bit of this please?

:

01:09:17,023 --> 01:09:21,332

Lizzy: Gimme a just a little, just

like maybe like my car, you know?

:

01:09:23,028 --> 01:09:23,917

Katie: exactly.

:

01:09:24,183 --> 01:09:24,383

Chad: you

:

01:09:25,263 --> 01:09:29,823

can tell just by the bank scene, she

hasn't really encountered a lot of money

:

01:09:29,823 --> 01:09:31,383

because they say, how do you want this?

:

01:09:31,763 --> 01:09:33,303

She says, tens and twenties,

:

01:09:33,318 --> 01:09:33,558

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:09:33,558 --> 01:09:33,738

Yeah.

:

01:09:33,738 --> 01:09:34,077

Yeah.

:

01:09:34,093 --> 01:09:37,183

Chad: it's like they're not gonna

have $4 million of tens and twenties.

:

01:09:37,648 --> 01:09:37,978

Katie: When

:

01:09:37,978 --> 01:09:39,618

we see her neighborhood, like

:

01:09:39,618 --> 01:09:39,868

she

:

01:09:40,002 --> 01:09:40,223

Chad: yes.

:

01:09:40,298 --> 01:09:41,408

Katie: doesn't live in a ritzy

:

01:09:41,408 --> 01:09:41,908

place.

:

01:09:42,148 --> 01:09:42,608

So yeah.

:

01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:44,781

Chad: give her some tens

and twenties out of that.

:

01:09:44,901 --> 01:09:45,481

Lizzy: That's right.

:

01:09:45,571 --> 01:09:45,861

Chad: Cash.

:

01:09:46,251 --> 01:09:46,401

Katie: Uh,

:

01:09:46,551 --> 01:09:47,621

Chad: 3.9 million.

:

01:09:49,178 --> 01:09:51,358

Katie: I was kind of, I don't know.

:

01:09:51,368 --> 01:09:56,708

This is just me being silly,

but I was disappointed by

:

01:09:56,718 --> 01:09:59,738

Demi's outfits in this movie.

:

01:10:00,658 --> 01:10:05,228

Now, I appreciate it because

I think it's realistic.

:

01:10:05,238 --> 01:10:07,748

That's probably what Molly would wear.

:

01:10:08,088 --> 01:10:08,788

It, you know, if this.

:

01:10:09,258 --> 01:10:10,598

Character existed.

:

01:10:10,598 --> 01:10:13,648

That's probably what she would wear, but

they were all extremely unflattering.

:

01:10:14,008 --> 01:10:18,378

And I was hoping for some more

awesome nineties fashion, but

:

01:10:18,388 --> 01:10:19,558

Odomay is the one that kind

:

01:10:19,558 --> 01:10:23,198

of shines fashion wise, I guess, flashy

:

01:10:23,568 --> 01:10:24,088

Lizzy: I can agree.

:

01:10:24,248 --> 01:10:28,448

I think Molly, I mean this is like

no shade or anything to anybody

:

01:10:28,448 --> 01:10:32,368

who's style like this, but between

the hair and the clothes, she was

:

01:10:32,368 --> 01:10:34,488

like a nine-year-old boy just

:

01:10:34,508 --> 01:10:35,327

Katie: for sure.

:

01:10:36,168 --> 01:10:36,788

Lizzy: no, I think

:

01:10:36,858 --> 01:10:38,888

Katie: they saw her hair cut short too.

:

01:10:39,238 --> 01:10:39,528

Chad: Yeah.

:

01:10:40,248 --> 01:10:42,048

Lizzy: I actually think

her hair is adorable.

:

01:10:42,588 --> 01:10:45,848

She has got, I was having this

conversation with Erin like that

:

01:10:46,058 --> 01:10:50,098

there are probably, she is like the 1%

:

01:10:51,128 --> 01:10:55,388

Of people that can truly pull that

off because that requires like, I

:

01:10:55,388 --> 01:11:00,268

think that very petite bone structure

and kind of really petite facial

:

01:11:00,708 --> 01:11:03,228

features to really not have any hair.

:

01:11:03,248 --> 01:11:06,908

And you know, the way she even the way

it's parted, like she'll run her fingers

:

01:11:06,908 --> 01:11:11,468

through her hair a lot and it is like

the truly, the way it's parted is like

:

01:11:11,468 --> 01:11:16,748

that of a child's or like a, a young

boys, but somehow it works for her.

:

01:11:17,508 --> 01:11:24,068

I think she is Carl refers to her as

fantastically gorgeous during the,

:

01:11:24,423 --> 01:11:24,933

Katie: Mm hmm.

:

01:11:25,128 --> 01:11:27,508

Lizzy: the scene, the coffee

scene who takes the shirt

:

01:11:27,508 --> 01:11:28,468

off and he is getting on her.

:

01:11:28,468 --> 01:11:29,827

He is you're fantastically gorgeous.

:

01:11:29,968 --> 01:11:33,788

And I would agree, she is

fantastically gorgeous, but I

:

01:11:33,788 --> 01:11:36,838

would've loved like, even I don't

know, like a crop top or something.

:

01:11:36,838 --> 01:11:39,518

just like something a little bit

like more on the feminine side.

:

01:11:39,538 --> 01:11:40,438

You know, you don't need to.

:

01:11:41,238 --> 01:11:44,958

Necessarily dressed like O Ma Brown,

but something where it's like the

:

01:11:44,958 --> 01:11:50,077

femininity is coming in to kind of

juxtapose your very masculine haircut.

:

01:11:50,513 --> 01:11:51,013

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:11:51,283 --> 01:11:51,573

Chad: Yeah.

:

01:11:51,573 --> 01:11:52,023

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:11:52,233 --> 01:11:55,093

Chad: she goes on to do strip

tees like straight after this.

:

01:11:55,233 --> 01:11:55,452

So

:

01:11:55,553 --> 01:11:55,833

Katie: was

:

01:11:55,843 --> 01:11:56,333

Chad: there's,

:

01:11:56,813 --> 01:11:56,993

Katie: I

:

01:11:57,003 --> 01:11:59,253

Chad: there's somewhere somewhere in

:

01:11:59,253 --> 01:12:02,333

between strip tees and ghosts, like land

:

01:12:02,468 --> 01:12:03,088

Lizzy: That's right.

:

01:12:03,173 --> 01:12:04,733

Chad: can show little skin.

:

01:12:05,043 --> 01:12:08,893

I'll never argue for putting

deme more and more attractive

:

01:12:09,213 --> 01:12:11,452

clothing, but I think it was just,

:

01:12:11,873 --> 01:12:13,333

here's an eccentric artist,

:

01:12:13,452 --> 01:12:13,873

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:12:14,013 --> 01:12:15,133

Chad: this is what eccentric

:

01:12:15,338 --> 01:12:15,758

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

:

01:12:16,698 --> 01:12:17,118

. Mm-hmm.

:

01:12:17,403 --> 01:12:18,293

Chad: concerned with

:

01:12:18,303 --> 01:12:18,863

Katie: agree.

:

01:12:19,723 --> 01:12:23,253

Chad: form fitting or curve

showing off their curves.

:

01:12:23,253 --> 01:12:26,013

It's just, here's and a loose shirt.

:

01:12:26,073 --> 01:12:26,433

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:12:26,593 --> 01:12:26,863

Yeah.

:

01:12:26,903 --> 01:12:27,723

I, I agree.

:

01:12:27,843 --> 01:12:31,233

That's, it works for her character,

but I was like, oh, she's got

:

01:12:31,233 --> 01:12:32,733

a cute little figure and, and

:

01:12:32,743 --> 01:12:36,183

she's a beautiful woman and she wears

really frumpy clothes, but okay.

:

01:12:36,208 --> 01:12:36,558

Chad: Right.

:

01:12:37,103 --> 01:12:41,193

Katie: again, because I hadn't seen

this in so long, the scene where, it's

:

01:12:41,193 --> 01:12:46,023

like right after the penny levitating

scene, that that kind of convinces

:

01:12:46,023 --> 01:12:50,263

Molly to let Otome and, Sam in.

:

01:12:50,913 --> 01:12:53,423

And then Otome, it's really sweet gesture.

:

01:12:53,433 --> 01:12:58,583

Sam says he would give anything

to be able to touch Molly again.

:

01:12:58,583 --> 01:13:05,053

And so she lets him Like, take over

her body and it's, it's really sweet

:

01:13:05,053 --> 01:13:08,193

at first, you know, they like hold

hands, he touches her face, they

:

01:13:08,193 --> 01:13:11,873

embrace they kind of sway dance.

:

01:13:12,202 --> 01:13:15,773

But I was like, Oh my God, are

they going to kiss and have sex?

:

01:13:15,773 --> 01:13:17,753

Cause that would be so weird.

:

01:13:18,583 --> 01:13:21,683

And thank God they didn't, but

they were, they talked about it.

:

01:13:22,733 --> 01:13:25,563

They were considering doing

that apparently the movie

:

01:13:25,563 --> 01:13:26,363

makers and they're like

:

01:13:26,363 --> 01:13:29,783

no that'd be weird because

it's it's Odomay Brown's body

:

01:13:29,908 --> 01:13:30,128

Lizzy: Yes.

:

01:13:30,327 --> 01:13:32,888

I mean, well, how would like

the equipment even work?

:

01:13:33,077 --> 01:13:33,738

you know what I mean?

:

01:13:33,738 --> 01:13:34,338

That's that.

:

01:13:35,018 --> 01:13:38,618

I think there's a world, Erin and I,

my husband and I were talking about

:

01:13:38,618 --> 01:13:43,818

this of how like the, just, even the

dance scene, if there was like even

:

01:13:44,118 --> 01:13:49,628

one moment where they just shot, had

a realistic scene of Whoopi Goldberg

:

01:13:49,628 --> 01:13:52,228

and Demi slow dancing together,

:

01:13:53,033 --> 01:13:56,523

Katie: wondered too, but it would

have taken us out of the sweetness

:

01:13:56,523 --> 01:13:56,973

of it.

:

01:13:57,003 --> 01:13:57,153

I

:

01:13:57,558 --> 01:13:59,438

Lizzy: Would've been a great ss n l skit.

:

01:13:59,438 --> 01:14:01,738

Like truly if she would've been so great.

:

01:14:01,878 --> 01:14:06,878

But I think, I mean it is such a

sweet scene and I, I feel so sorry

:

01:14:07,868 --> 01:14:09,608

for both of them when I watch it.

:

01:14:09,608 --> 01:14:13,208

Because kind of going back to the

point I made earlier about like how

:

01:14:13,868 --> 01:14:18,608

the kind of like actualization of the,

depth of their love, I think it's.

:

01:14:19,593 --> 01:14:22,723

It's gotta hurt so bad, like this

sting of you're, you're there.

:

01:14:22,793 --> 01:14:24,003

Like you are physically there.

:

01:14:24,003 --> 01:14:26,163

You're watching them,

you're listening to them.

:

01:14:26,623 --> 01:14:31,523

You're kind of taking them in, but you

cannot touch them and they cannot see you.

:

01:14:31,623 --> 01:14:33,202

And that just has to be so painful.

:

01:14:33,702 --> 01:14:37,083

And I think I, I couldn't even imagine.

:

01:14:37,243 --> 01:14:39,483

I mean, thinking about it too

much could get you emotional.

:

01:14:39,583 --> 01:14:43,843

So I think I totally appreciate the payoff

that they were going for for that scene.

:

01:14:44,803 --> 01:14:45,253

Katie: Mm hmm.

:

01:14:45,263 --> 01:14:45,283

Yeah,

:

01:14:46,077 --> 01:14:47,858

Chad: we, get the

foreshadowing with Orlando

:

01:14:48,118 --> 01:14:52,898

Pro possessing oda, and, then he

says, it really takes it out of me.

:

01:14:53,158 --> 01:14:57,778

So my immediate thought, and same with

my wife, says, can't you wait 30 minutes

:

01:14:58,158 --> 01:14:59,938

for the guy that's coming to kill you?

:

01:15:00,198 --> 01:15:01,077

save your strength.

:

01:15:01,538 --> 01:15:04,518

You, you observe this, save your

strength and fight this guy off.

:

01:15:04,778 --> 01:15:06,077

And then you can have your dance.

:

01:15:06,318 --> 01:15:09,278

I guess you couldn't, like

if the guy goes away, you go

:

01:15:09,683 --> 01:15:09,702

Katie: Yeah

:

01:15:10,248 --> 01:15:13,208

Chad: You're escorted

to heaven, I don't know.

:

01:15:13,228 --> 01:15:14,768

You take your chances, I suppose,

:

01:15:14,838 --> 01:15:15,327

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:15:15,588 --> 01:15:16,008

Chad: you're

:

01:15:16,108 --> 01:15:18,268

Katie: work that he's like,

what's happening to me?

:

01:15:18,268 --> 01:15:21,988

Like he's too weak to, but he's

also like losing his ghostness.

:

01:15:22,278 --> 01:15:23,188

It was interesting, but

:

01:15:23,188 --> 01:15:24,748

I thought the same thing, Chad.

:

01:15:25,551 --> 01:15:26,521

Chad: Just, just wait.

:

01:15:26,676 --> 01:15:28,086

Lizzy: Yeah, give a sec.

:

01:15:28,951 --> 01:15:32,051

Katie: I didn't realize this,

but AFI has all their lists

:

01:15:32,051 --> 01:15:34,531

of things and this was in the

:

01:15:34,531 --> 01:15:36,281

top 100 greatest love story

:

01:15:36,281 --> 01:15:36,881

movies.

:

01:15:38,006 --> 01:15:38,546

Lizzy: Oh, nice.

:

01:15:39,161 --> 01:15:39,721

Katie: And.

:

01:15:40,241 --> 01:15:40,401

Chad: It,

:

01:15:40,591 --> 01:15:43,781

Katie: and Unchained Melody,

which is, I mean, this

:

01:15:43,781 --> 01:15:47,341

movie researched that I believe,

:

01:15:47,411 --> 01:15:48,731

and it is amazing.

:

01:15:49,001 --> 01:15:53,361

It's also in the AFI's Top

100 Music in the Movies.

:

01:15:54,455 --> 01:15:56,795

Chad: We have a love-hate with a f I, but

:

01:15:57,005 --> 01:15:57,205

Katie: yeah,

:

01:15:57,355 --> 01:15:57,475

Chad: I,

:

01:15:57,525 --> 01:15:58,055

Katie: yeah,

:

01:15:58,115 --> 01:15:58,635

Chad: with them here.

:

01:15:59,115 --> 01:15:59,235

I.

:

01:15:59,285 --> 01:16:01,015

Katie: and it was the most

:

01:16:01,015 --> 01:16:02,425

rented video cassette.

:

01:16:02,434 --> 01:16:04,175

Remember VHS, anyone?

:

01:16:04,420 --> 01:16:05,160

Lizzy: Oh my goodness.

:

01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:05,720

Of course.

:

01:16:06,990 --> 01:16:08,160

Katie: In:

:

01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:09,930

most rented, uh, videocassette.

:

01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:11,559

Lizzy: Oh, nice.

:

01:16:11,710 --> 01:16:13,350

Katie: Everybody on their date nights.

:

01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:14,809

Chad?

:

01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:20,500

Chad: Oh, oh, I, I remember this

playing on t b s, it was the clay

:

01:16:20,510 --> 01:16:22,500

scene with that song on chain.

:

01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,700

Melody as the preview for ghosts.

:

01:16:25,700 --> 01:16:29,820

Like I remember the introduction to TV

and it would just play over and over.

:

01:16:29,820 --> 01:16:32,740

That's a huge part of my childhood

is remembering that commercial

:

01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:33,250

Lizzy: Yes.

:

01:16:33,820 --> 01:16:33,940

Chad: I,

:

01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:35,830

Katie: I don't think they

really had to sell a whole lot.

:

01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:36,280

That

:

01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:36,980

scene in

:

01:16:36,980 --> 01:16:39,240

a preview and then two gorgeous people?

:

01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:39,670

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

:

01:16:39,930 --> 01:16:40,150

Chad: yes.

:

01:16:40,150 --> 01:16:40,590

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:40,940

Lizzy: Yep.

:

01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:46,680

Katie: apparently Patrick Swayze really

pushed for Whoopi Goldberg to be in

:

01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:51,340

this, because it was originally not not

written with her in mind, but he convinced

:

01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:55,630

the producers that she would be right

for the part some of the other people.

:

01:16:55,945 --> 01:16:56,485

Let's see.

:

01:16:56,555 --> 01:16:58,695

I love all of these, alternative castings.

:

01:16:59,555 --> 01:17:02,755

It was, verbally offered to Jacque, Harry.

:

01:17:03,605 --> 01:17:03,785

guys

:

01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:04,434

know who she is?

:

01:17:04,485 --> 01:17:04,915

she was in

:

01:17:04,915 --> 01:17:05,605

227.

:

01:17:06,475 --> 01:17:07,195

you know her,

:

01:17:07,210 --> 01:17:07,430

Chad: No,

:

01:17:07,595 --> 01:17:07,705

Katie: her.

:

01:17:07,705 --> 01:17:10,695

She also, I think, was in Sister, Sister?

:

01:17:11,535 --> 01:17:12,145

Lizzy: wait, really?

:

01:17:12,885 --> 01:17:13,235

Katie: I think

:

01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:14,930

Chad: like Tia and Tamara

:

01:17:14,975 --> 01:17:15,265

Lizzy: Wait

:

01:17:15,570 --> 01:17:15,930

Chad: sisters.

:

01:17:16,145 --> 01:17:16,355

Katie: I

:

01:17:16,465 --> 01:17:16,825

Lizzy: a second.

:

01:17:17,085 --> 01:17:17,585

The mom?

:

01:17:18,445 --> 01:17:18,665

Yes.

:

01:17:18,934 --> 01:17:19,225

Okay.

:

01:17:19,425 --> 01:17:21,065

I know exactly who

you're talking about now.

:

01:17:21,205 --> 01:17:21,425

Yes.

:

01:17:21,425 --> 01:17:25,925

Katie: it's like, in 227, the

part she played was just, I,

:

01:17:25,925 --> 01:17:28,785

it's amazing, but yeah, Jackay.

:

01:17:29,335 --> 01:17:29,555

Lizzy: Yes.

:

01:17:29,565 --> 01:17:32,105

Katie: so she had verbally accepted

it, but then at the last minute,

:

01:17:32,145 --> 01:17:34,985

Whoopi Goldberg was actually available.

:

01:17:35,895 --> 01:17:37,445

so they're like, okay, we want Whoopi.

:

01:17:38,075 --> 01:17:39,815

other people who auditioned.

:

01:17:40,655 --> 01:17:41,455

Patti LaBelle,

:

01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:43,200

Chad: Hmm.

:

01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:44,480

I like it.

:

01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:45,700

Lizzy: Really?

:

01:17:46,425 --> 01:17:46,865

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:17:46,865 --> 01:17:47,655

Well, cause they did the

:

01:17:47,655 --> 01:17:48,865

color purple together.

:

01:17:49,485 --> 01:17:49,975

Right.

:

01:17:50,450 --> 01:17:51,200

Um,

:

01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:51,480

Chad: did.

:

01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:51,760

Yeah,

:

01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:55,180

Katie: and Tina Turner,

:

01:17:55,936 --> 01:17:56,156

Lizzy: Ooh,

:

01:17:56,286 --> 01:17:58,646

Katie: they actually mentioned

Tina Turner in the movie.

:

01:17:59,323 --> 01:17:59,782

Chad: Oh yeah.

:

01:17:59,853 --> 01:18:00,143

Yeah.

:

01:18:00,282 --> 01:18:02,363

Katie: do you guys have any

guesses for who they had

:

01:18:03,003 --> 01:18:04,813

also in mind for Molly?

:

01:18:06,016 --> 01:18:08,036

Lizzy: was Julia Roberts

in the running at all?

:

01:18:08,146 --> 01:18:10,996

Just being that the timeframe

I would imagine maybe.

:

01:18:11,136 --> 01:18:12,266

Katie: it's basically like.

:

01:18:13,016 --> 01:18:13,866

Everyone.

:

01:18:13,906 --> 01:18:14,226

Yes.

:

01:18:14,696 --> 01:18:15,026

Julia

:

01:18:15,026 --> 01:18:15,506

Roberts Weiss.

:

01:18:15,506 --> 01:18:17,796

So Nicole Kidman auditioned.

:

01:18:17,856 --> 01:18:18,096

They

:

01:18:18,096 --> 01:18:18,396

loved

:

01:18:18,526 --> 01:18:18,946

Chad: Oh, no.

:

01:18:19,026 --> 01:18:22,076

Katie: they wanted, they really

wanted someone more well known.

:

01:18:23,006 --> 01:18:27,996

so they, Days of Thunder, as we talked

about, came out in this month as well.

:

01:18:28,836 --> 01:18:32,126

She took that, so the studio

really liked her, so they cast

:

01:18:32,126 --> 01:18:33,675

her in that instead of this.

:

01:18:34,986 --> 01:18:36,086

That's what happened with Nicole Kidman.

:

01:18:36,086 --> 01:18:39,826

But then others were Julia Roberts, Kim

:

01:18:39,836 --> 01:18:42,886

Basinger, Gina Davis would have been good,

:

01:18:43,026 --> 01:18:43,246

Lizzy: Ooh.

:

01:18:43,366 --> 01:18:43,846

I like her.

:

01:18:44,246 --> 01:18:44,966

I like her a lot.

:

01:18:45,031 --> 01:18:45,321

Chad: Yeah.

:

01:18:45,546 --> 01:18:49,536

Katie: Helen Hunt, Jennifer

Jason Leigh, Andy McDowell,

:

01:18:50,156 --> 01:18:50,976

Lizzy: Oh, I love her.

:

01:18:51,256 --> 01:18:51,816

I love her.

:

01:18:52,386 --> 01:18:53,566

Katie: Madonna,

:

01:18:54,461 --> 01:18:54,681

Chad: No

:

01:18:55,166 --> 01:18:55,425

Katie: I can't,

:

01:18:55,566 --> 01:18:55,786

Lizzy: No,

:

01:18:55,846 --> 01:18:57,126

Katie: Madonna but I don't, I can't see

:

01:18:57,126 --> 01:18:57,956

Lizzy: she's not charming.

:

01:18:58,196 --> 01:18:58,956

I hate saying that.

:

01:18:59,116 --> 01:19:02,356

I mean, I'm not, no offense to anybody

that loves Madonna, but Madonna is,

:

01:19:02,356 --> 01:19:04,956

she's, she's not, she doesn't have like a.

:

01:19:07,086 --> 01:19:10,826

She doesn't have the, the, the X

factor that like Julia Roberts and

:

01:19:10,936 --> 01:19:14,306

Demi Moore have, where it's like this

almost kind of girl next door charm.

:

01:19:14,366 --> 01:19:15,346

She just doesn't have it.

:

01:19:15,536 --> 01:19:17,346

It's, it's too rougher on the edges.

:

01:19:17,346 --> 01:19:18,396

Katie: a different way.

:

01:19:18,956 --> 01:19:19,175

Lizzy: Yes,

:

01:19:20,306 --> 01:19:23,586

Katie: Also Michelle Pfeiffer, Molly

:

01:19:23,586 --> 01:19:24,616

Ringwald.

:

01:19:24,626 --> 01:19:26,346

I feel like she would have maybe

:

01:19:26,346 --> 01:19:27,186

been young.

:

01:19:27,806 --> 01:19:29,046

Lizzy: Tripping on, Of

:

01:19:29,186 --> 01:19:29,496

Katie: To your,

:

01:19:29,666 --> 01:19:30,046

Chad: Of course.

:

01:19:30,236 --> 01:19:30,436

Lizzy: course.

:

01:19:31,306 --> 01:19:32,175

Katie: Mary Steenbergen.

:

01:19:32,175 --> 01:19:32,896

Or Bergen.

:

01:19:34,226 --> 01:19:34,356

Is

:

01:19:34,356 --> 01:19:35,456

it Bergen or Bergen?

:

01:19:36,216 --> 01:19:36,566

Anyway.

:

01:19:37,686 --> 01:19:37,806

Chad: I,

:

01:19:37,806 --> 01:19:38,566

don't know that one.

:

01:19:38,921 --> 01:19:39,661

Katie: Turner

:

01:19:41,116 --> 01:19:41,406

Chad: Okay.

:

01:19:42,081 --> 01:19:42,471

Katie: Deborah

:

01:19:42,496 --> 01:19:42,716

Lizzy: Wow.

:

01:19:43,541 --> 01:19:46,751

Katie: I can see Deborah Winger, maybe.

:

01:19:46,781 --> 01:19:47,371

But yeah, like

:

01:19:47,371 --> 01:19:49,131

basically all females

:

01:19:49,191 --> 01:19:50,991

of a certain age in Hollywood.

:

01:19:52,146 --> 01:19:53,306

Lizzy: I like Andy McDowell.

:

01:19:53,386 --> 01:19:53,946

I love her.

:

01:19:54,086 --> 01:20:00,026

She was just excellent in Groundhog

Day, and I love, I love her so much.

:

01:20:00,486 --> 01:20:02,666

She is, she's fantastic.

:

01:20:02,756 --> 01:20:03,546

She's so charming.

:

01:20:04,346 --> 01:20:04,466

I.

:

01:20:04,581 --> 01:20:07,901

Katie: really like her too and

especially now she's one of the few

:

01:20:07,901 --> 01:20:09,741

that in Hollywood that is attempting

:

01:20:09,741 --> 01:20:12,751

to somewhat age gracefully.

:

01:20:13,171 --> 01:20:13,391

Lizzy: Yes.

:

01:20:13,491 --> 01:20:14,981

Katie: kind of speaks out about

:

01:20:16,231 --> 01:20:16,661

Anyway,

:

01:20:16,761 --> 01:20:21,901

Lizzy: Her performance in Michael,

I think would've been a good

:

01:20:22,131 --> 01:20:24,941

kind of transition for this.

:

01:20:25,300 --> 01:20:27,951

'cause she was, I mean,

she wasn't an artist.

:

01:20:28,131 --> 01:20:32,471

She was kind of like a, the sweet little

Southern bell who loved to sing about pie.

:

01:20:32,491 --> 01:20:37,251

But I think she, but I think that there

was just kind of this, I think her

:

01:20:37,251 --> 01:20:40,931

attraction to Michael in that movie, I

think could have really translated to the

:

01:20:41,001 --> 01:20:43,651

love connection between Sam and Molly.

:

01:20:43,931 --> 01:20:46,891

I think she could have done a good

job, but I do love, I love Demi more.

:

01:20:46,891 --> 01:20:48,171

I think she does a, a great job.

:

01:20:48,781 --> 01:20:49,511

Katie: Yeah, she's good.

:

01:20:49,511 --> 01:20:53,550

I, I am partial to Geena Davis, I

really like her, but she's super tall.

:

01:20:54,341 --> 01:20:55,271

And sometimes that's

:

01:20:56,421 --> 01:20:57,421

with a lot of these

:

01:20:57,421 --> 01:20:58,571

leading men are not

:

01:20:58,811 --> 01:20:59,231

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

:

01:20:59,401 --> 01:20:59,631

Katie: super

:

01:20:59,956 --> 01:21:00,306

Chad: Right.

:

01:21:01,366 --> 01:21:02,906

Nicole Kidman's the same story.

:

01:21:03,011 --> 01:21:03,021

Katie: hmm.

:

01:21:03,381 --> 01:21:03,601

Lizzy: Yes,

:

01:21:03,826 --> 01:21:03,946

Chad: I,

:

01:21:03,991 --> 01:21:04,291

Katie: point.

:

01:21:04,346 --> 01:21:06,121

Chad: I always Kind of find her

:

01:21:06,461 --> 01:21:06,681

icy.

:

01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:06,931

Katie: Oh,

:

01:21:07,071 --> 01:21:07,881

Chad: Like, I can't,

:

01:21:08,131 --> 01:21:08,571

Lizzy: I agree.

:

01:21:08,761 --> 01:21:09,161

Chad: find that

:

01:21:10,101 --> 01:21:11,311

Lizzy: Same with Michelle Pfeiffer.

:

01:21:11,411 --> 01:21:16,151

She was the another person that I thought

of when I, I see is a good way to put it.

:

01:21:16,251 --> 01:21:19,831

That's same kind of thing as Madonna,

like almost like putting them all in

:

01:21:19,831 --> 01:21:24,141

the same category as they don't have

that, there's not a softness to them.

:

01:21:24,811 --> 01:21:25,101

Yeah.

:

01:21:25,111 --> 01:21:25,631

Katie: Agreed.

:

01:21:25,781 --> 01:21:31,651

Agreed in sort of in the same way,

like basically all the it people, in

:

01:21:31,651 --> 01:21:39,761

Hollywood, all it men at the time up

for the role of Sam offered, but turned

:

01:21:39,771 --> 01:21:42,321

down Kevin Bacon, which

:

01:21:42,501 --> 01:21:42,921

I can

:

01:21:43,071 --> 01:21:43,151

Chad: Hmm.

:

01:21:43,241 --> 01:21:45,201

Katie: see that because

:

01:21:45,581 --> 01:21:46,221

Chad: I would like that.

:

01:21:46,421 --> 01:21:47,371

Katie: Alec Baldwin.

:

01:21:47,421 --> 01:21:47,821

Absolutely

:

01:21:47,821 --> 01:21:48,201

not.

:

01:21:48,581 --> 01:21:48,800

Lizzy: no.

:

01:21:48,901 --> 01:21:49,300

Katie: no.

:

01:21:49,441 --> 01:21:50,411

he's icy.

:

01:21:50,471 --> 01:21:51,241

He's like the

:

01:21:51,311 --> 01:21:51,731

Lizzy: Agreed.

:

01:21:51,831 --> 01:21:53,011

He cannot be in love.

:

01:21:53,121 --> 01:21:54,851

It's not, I don't buy it and I.

:

01:21:54,981 --> 01:21:55,401

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:21:57,071 --> 01:21:57,921

Nicholas Cage.

:

01:21:57,921 --> 01:21:58,731

And I am sorry.

:

01:21:58,731 --> 01:22:00,111

I just do not like him.

:

01:22:00,191 --> 01:22:00,861

at all.

:

01:22:00,881 --> 01:22:01,111

Like

:

01:22:01,206 --> 01:22:01,706

Lizzy: I'm Me too.

:

01:22:01,986 --> 01:22:03,626

I despise him.

:

01:22:03,771 --> 01:22:04,131

Katie: you.

:

01:22:04,161 --> 01:22:04,541

I,

:

01:22:04,651 --> 01:22:05,961

I don't want to, I'm

:

01:22:06,166 --> 01:22:09,266

Lizzy: I'm so relieved to find

somebody else that can't stand him.

:

01:22:09,586 --> 01:22:10,866

I cannot stand him.

:

01:22:11,806 --> 01:22:18,166

I was so excited to see the Renfield

trailer, like there's, this, this guy

:

01:22:18,226 --> 01:22:23,566

who works for a vampire and he's, he's

just so worn down by his boss and the

:

01:22:23,566 --> 01:22:24,846

whole movie looks absolutely amazing.

:

01:22:24,866 --> 01:22:27,646

And then they do this big reveal

of who the vampire is and it's,

:

01:22:27,766 --> 01:22:29,886

Nicholas Cage was in the theater

and I literally went, oh, come on.

:

01:22:31,476 --> 01:22:31,696

Chad: Oh,

:

01:22:32,126 --> 01:22:33,336

he's the best part of that movie.

:

01:22:33,491 --> 01:22:34,531

Katie: Oh, we've got a

:

01:22:34,776 --> 01:22:36,586

Lizzy: He is, he's okay.

:

01:22:36,646 --> 01:22:37,246

Chad: am a huge

:

01:22:37,526 --> 01:22:39,966

Nicholas Cage fan, but

he would ruin this movie

:

01:22:40,391 --> 01:22:40,671

Katie: All right.

:

01:22:40,721 --> 01:22:42,731

Lizzy: they tried putting

him in Family man.

:

01:22:43,941 --> 01:22:44,231

Chad: Yeah.

:

01:22:44,966 --> 01:22:45,706

Lizzy: No, no, no.

:

01:22:45,916 --> 01:22:46,726

Katie: Tom Cruise.

:

01:22:46,726 --> 01:22:47,156

No.

:

01:22:49,175 --> 01:22:49,296

Chad: Hmm.

:

01:22:49,386 --> 01:22:50,156

Katie: Do you guys see Tom

:

01:22:50,246 --> 01:22:50,736

Chad: He's one.

:

01:22:51,816 --> 01:22:52,416

I don't feel

:

01:22:52,416 --> 01:22:55,096

like he has chemistry with

any of his female stars.

:

01:22:55,156 --> 01:22:56,296

That's like the weird thing.

:

01:22:56,386 --> 01:22:56,706

Katie: he,

:

01:22:56,866 --> 01:22:57,216

yeah,

:

01:22:57,266 --> 01:22:58,706

because He's, weird like that.

:

01:22:59,946 --> 01:23:02,656

Johnny Depp, I can totally see Johnny Depp

:

01:23:02,816 --> 01:23:04,936

Lizzy: I could see Johnny,

Deb, I could see him doing it.

:

01:23:05,076 --> 01:23:09,616

He, he always did a great job

when he was working opposite, like

:

01:23:09,616 --> 01:23:11,136

he's, he's able to have chemistry.

:

01:23:11,886 --> 01:23:12,806

Katie: with the ladies.

:

01:23:12,806 --> 01:23:12,886

David

:

01:23:14,266 --> 01:23:14,486

Lizzy: Yes.

:

01:23:15,556 --> 01:23:17,056

Katie: Maybe he, what was

:

01:23:17,116 --> 01:23:17,556

Chad: I like it.

:

01:23:17,675 --> 01:23:19,186

Katie: like maybe he

wasn't a big enough name.

:

01:23:19,206 --> 01:23:19,956

I like him.

:

01:23:19,966 --> 01:23:20,675

I think he probably would

:

01:23:20,726 --> 01:23:21,016

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

01:23:21,166 --> 01:23:21,466

Katie: but.

:

01:23:22,636 --> 01:23:26,116

Also, Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson.

:

01:23:27,101 --> 01:23:34,981

Hanks, Paul Hogan, Kevin Kline, Dennis

Quaid, Mickey Rourke, John Travolta.

:

01:23:35,471 --> 01:23:37,421

I don't think any of them

are good looking enough.

:

01:23:37,421 --> 01:23:39,581

I think this person needs

to be really good looking

:

01:23:40,706 --> 01:23:40,996

Chad: Yeah.

:

01:23:41,451 --> 01:23:45,331

Lizzy: I think Harrison Ford probably

could hit the, hit the mark in, in

:

01:23:45,331 --> 01:23:47,451

the looks and in the acting chops.

:

01:23:47,691 --> 01:23:49,651

I love him so much, but he

:

01:23:49,821 --> 01:23:50,141

Katie: maybe.

:

01:23:50,141 --> 01:23:51,231

Wouldn't he have been a little

:

01:23:52,471 --> 01:23:53,871

Lizzy: might've been a little old.

:

01:23:54,091 --> 01:23:55,151

I'm trying to think of when.

:

01:23:56,175 --> 01:23:57,385

Yeah, he would've been a little old.

:

01:23:57,505 --> 01:24:01,865

'cause when he was in like, you know,

his Indiana Jones and Star Wars days, I

:

01:24:01,865 --> 01:24:04,665

mean, those were in like the seventies

and eighties, so he would've been kind

:

01:24:04,665 --> 01:24:07,625

of probably aging out of this by 90.

:

01:24:08,905 --> 01:24:10,785

I, but I, I do love him though.

:

01:24:10,785 --> 01:24:16,025

And he kind of almost has that same

kind of like stance as Kurt Russell

:

01:24:16,165 --> 01:24:17,745

and Patrick Swayze a little bit.

:

01:24:17,925 --> 01:24:20,065

But it's Swayze.

:

01:24:20,265 --> 01:24:22,505

I mean, that's really, you can't, yeah.

:

01:24:22,770 --> 01:24:24,500

Katie: Also, Demi Moore's

:

01:24:24,510 --> 01:24:27,190

actual husband at the

time, Bruce Willis, was

:

01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:27,880

considered.

:

01:24:28,285 --> 01:24:29,205

Lizzy: I forgot about him.

:

01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,890

Katie: he turned it down because he

didn't think the film would work.

:

01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:37,050

I think they all went into this thinking

it was a big gamble, and it did pay off.

:

01:24:37,070 --> 01:24:40,010

But I think a lot of those

famous people were like, What?

:

01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,070

This, what is this that you want me to

:

01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:42,500

be in?

:

01:24:42,510 --> 01:24:42,970

You know,

:

01:24:43,883 --> 01:24:44,103

Lizzy: Man,

:

01:24:44,193 --> 01:24:45,952

Chad: it's hard to define genres.

:

01:24:45,952 --> 01:24:49,353

Like it points, it's being a

comedy, it points as being romance.

:

01:24:49,743 --> 01:24:52,032

It's got a little bit

of horror element to it.

:

01:24:52,423 --> 01:24:53,753

It's got a little bit of mystery.

:

01:24:53,843 --> 01:24:54,213

Katie: yeah,

:

01:24:54,383 --> 01:24:56,873

Chad: yeah, I could, I could

imagine reading this and saying,

:

01:24:57,183 --> 01:24:57,473

yeah,

:

01:24:57,473 --> 01:24:58,593

I'll do it for the paycheck,

:

01:24:58,933 --> 01:25:00,313

but it's not going anywhere.

:

01:25:00,952 --> 01:25:02,013

Katie: And then the role of Willie

:

01:25:02,013 --> 01:25:02,813

Lopez, do you guys

:

01:25:02,833 --> 01:25:02,952

Chad: I,

:

01:25:02,973 --> 01:25:04,823

Katie: who Luis Guzman is?

:

01:25:05,603 --> 01:25:05,823

Chad: yes,

:

01:25:05,993 --> 01:25:06,403

Katie: Okay,

:

01:25:06,483 --> 01:25:06,702

Chad: yes,

:

01:25:06,803 --> 01:25:07,523

Lizzy: I don't think I do.

:

01:25:07,643 --> 01:25:09,993

Katie: you you would know

him, Lizzie, I feel like, you

:

01:25:09,993 --> 01:25:10,883

know, I'm, I'm trying to, what

:

01:25:11,133 --> 01:25:13,243

what would he, what

would she know him from,

:

01:25:13,923 --> 01:25:14,273

but.

:

01:25:14,293 --> 01:25:15,543

Chad: have you seen the movie waiting?

:

01:25:16,282 --> 01:25:17,383

Lizzy: Yes, absolutely.

:

01:25:18,083 --> 01:25:18,303

No,

:

01:25:18,673 --> 01:25:19,363

Chad: he's the bat.

:

01:25:19,683 --> 01:25:19,903

Lizzy: no.

:

01:25:20,452 --> 01:25:21,463

Like all grown up.

:

01:25:22,213 --> 01:25:22,823

Stop that.

:

01:25:24,043 --> 01:25:24,663

Oh my gosh.

:

01:25:24,873 --> 01:25:27,463

She's so young and looks so different.

:

01:25:27,853 --> 01:25:28,543

Stop it.

:

01:25:28,888 --> 01:25:30,248

Katie: Well, I haven't seen that movie, so

:

01:25:30,313 --> 01:25:31,173

Lizzy: That's amazing.

:

01:25:31,523 --> 01:25:32,653

That just rocked my world.

:

01:25:33,145 --> 01:25:37,795

Katie: He was up for the role of Willie

Lopez and in a documentary focused

:

01:25:37,795 --> 01:25:43,425

on character actors, he said that

he was stopped by fans of the movie

:

01:25:43,425 --> 01:25:45,095

who think that he's Willie Lopez.

:

01:25:45,205 --> 01:25:47,345

they think he's, um, what's his name?

:

01:25:47,355 --> 01:25:48,175

Rick Avales.

:

01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:49,840

Aviles?

:

01:25:50,115 --> 01:25:50,405

Chad: Okay.

:

01:25:51,340 --> 01:25:52,460

Katie: he's like, no, because

:

01:25:52,460 --> 01:25:53,500

people are like mad at him.

:

01:25:53,500 --> 01:25:54,040

They're like, you're the

:

01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,670

guy who killed Patrick Swayze.

:

01:25:55,670 --> 01:25:55,770

And

:

01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:56,059

Lizzy: Oh,

:

01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:57,340

Katie: no, it wasn't me.

:

01:25:57,340 --> 01:25:59,510

Chad: Yeah, Louis Guzman is a lot shorter.

:

01:25:59,965 --> 01:26:00,795

Katie: Oh, yeah.

:

01:26:00,955 --> 01:26:02,145

Then, yeah, that's true.

:

01:26:02,184 --> 01:26:04,255

The guy who played him was fairly tall.

:

01:26:04,255 --> 01:26:04,375

It

:

01:26:04,525 --> 01:26:05,585

appeared anyway.

:

01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:10,370

Chad: I like the stories that, Tony

Goldwin tells about wait, staff hating

:

01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:13,809

him, and they couldn't figure out why

until they ask if he was an actor.

:

01:26:14,190 --> 01:26:14,890

And he said, yeah.

:

01:26:14,890 --> 01:26:16,610

And they were like, that's why I hate You

:

01:26:17,710 --> 01:26:19,010

Lizzy: Job I could see that.

:

01:26:20,090 --> 01:26:21,490

I love, I really love him though.

:

01:26:21,550 --> 01:26:27,930

He was the voice of Tarzan in the Disney

movie and I, yes, I love his voice.

:

01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:33,890

He has a buttery, and he was also

Casanova the voice of, I think the ca,

:

01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:36,650

the Voice of Cassanova in Kiss the Girls.

:

01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:41,970

He has a really buttery

voice that I enjoy so much.

:

01:26:42,190 --> 01:26:46,970

So even though he is evil and

slimy in this movie, I still

:

01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,730

like, he's very likable to me.

:

01:26:49,010 --> 01:26:53,540

I, I could like, he should be

doing a S M R, like, he has

:

01:26:53,540 --> 01:26:54,960

just an unbelievable voice.

:

01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:56,840

I love it so, so much.

:

01:26:57,780 --> 01:26:58,480

You might, yeah.

:

01:26:58,480 --> 01:26:59,000

You never know.

:

01:26:59,410 --> 01:27:00,100

Katie: dislike him.

:

01:27:00,100 --> 01:27:02,360

I do like him as an actor as well.

:

01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:09,140

so the screenwriter, the ditto thing

is the big part of like, it's kind

:

01:27:09,140 --> 01:27:12,820

of what it's, it's known for the

pottery scene and ditto, I feel like.

:

01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:18,880

And the writer, the screenwriter,

Ruben, Bruce Joel Rubin, apparently

:

01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,860

where that came from is that he used to

:

01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:23,510

say ditto to his high school girlfriend

:

01:27:24,255 --> 01:27:24,475

Lizzy: Aw.

:

01:27:24,530 --> 01:27:25,270

Katie: I love you.

:

01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:26,440

So I thought that was a

:

01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:29,720

cute little tidbit from his real

life that he put in the movie.

:

01:27:29,975 --> 01:27:30,625

Lizzy: That is cute.

:

01:27:30,825 --> 01:27:31,305

I like that.

:

01:27:32,115 --> 01:27:34,285

Chad: Yeah, but note

that it wasn't his wife,

:

01:27:34,925 --> 01:27:35,465

Lizzy: That's right.

:

01:27:35,765 --> 01:27:36,345

That's right.

:

01:27:36,455 --> 01:27:36,745

Yeah.

:

01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:38,360

Katie: it was high school.

:

01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:39,180

I don't know.

:

01:27:39,695 --> 01:27:41,684

Lizzy: Ditto is kind of like

the equivalent of like when

:

01:27:41,684 --> 01:27:43,085

someone say, love you, you too,

:

01:27:43,790 --> 01:27:44,290

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:27:44,385 --> 01:27:45,295

Chad: right, right.

:

01:27:46,075 --> 01:27:46,805

Lizzy: kind of gets you.

:

01:27:46,815 --> 01:27:47,895

Chad: man up and say, I love you.

:

01:27:48,065 --> 01:27:48,355

Lizzy: Yeah,

:

01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:50,740

Katie: Like nowadays it would be same.

:

01:27:51,625 --> 01:27:51,915

Lizzy: same.

:

01:27:52,065 --> 01:27:52,595

yeah, yeah.

:

01:27:52,595 --> 01:27:52,795

yeah.

:

01:27:53,650 --> 01:27:54,910

Chad: You're not Harrison Ford.

:

01:27:54,930 --> 01:27:56,190

You cannot say, I know

:

01:27:56,235 --> 01:27:56,855

Lizzy: Oh my gosh.

:

01:27:57,035 --> 01:27:57,255

Ugh.

:

01:27:57,405 --> 01:27:59,815

I'll never forget how mad I

was the first time I saw that

:

01:28:00,871 --> 01:28:05,061

Katie: also, Ruben wanted Patrick

to play Sam Wheat after he saw

:

01:28:05,091 --> 01:28:07,261

an interview that Swayze gave.

:

01:28:07,871 --> 01:28:10,021

I'm in love with Swayze, like, so hard.

:

01:28:10,071 --> 01:28:13,961

Okay, so he did this interview and I also

read his book where he talks a lot about

:

01:28:14,091 --> 01:28:16,251

his dad dying had a big effect on him.

:

01:28:16,251 --> 01:28:17,931

So he was talking about

this in an interview.

:

01:28:19,531 --> 01:28:22,941

And he became really emotional

and started to weep, Patrick

:

01:28:22,941 --> 01:28:25,581

Swayze in this, in this interview.

:

01:28:25,851 --> 01:28:28,821

So Ruben saw the interview and

he was like, well, if a macho guy

:

01:28:28,831 --> 01:28:31,061

like Swayze can cry over a loved

:

01:28:31,061 --> 01:28:33,611

one, he's the perfect

person for this movie.

:

01:28:34,396 --> 01:28:35,076

Lizzy: I love that.

:

01:28:35,091 --> 01:28:35,761

Katie: got cast.

:

01:28:36,670 --> 01:28:37,840

Chad: Yeah, I'm glad he did.

:

01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:43,800

I mean, he does, he's obviously cast

for his looks, but he does bring this

:

01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,880

kind of vulnerable sensitivity with him.

:

01:28:46,270 --> 01:28:48,680

It's really hard to do for

some of those other names.

:

01:28:49,070 --> 01:28:50,800

It's hard to be, I.

:

01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,670

Attractive and not cocky about

:

01:28:52,670 --> 01:28:52,790

it.

:

01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:55,150

He doesn't come off as cocky and knows it.

:

01:28:55,684 --> 01:28:56,125

Lizzy: I agree.

:

01:28:56,155 --> 01:28:56,725

Well said

:

01:28:57,385 --> 01:29:01,865

Katie: extremely, Yeah, He's a

very humble dude he has all of

:

01:29:01,865 --> 01:29:03,615

the talent to not be, but he,

:

01:29:03,675 --> 01:29:05,585

he is, he's like a good human.

:

01:29:06,645 --> 01:29:06,845

As

:

01:29:06,934 --> 01:29:07,155

Lizzy: yes.

:

01:29:08,305 --> 01:29:09,005

Katie: Swayze was

:

01:29:09,005 --> 01:29:09,325

actually

:

01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:09,450

Chad: I,

:

01:29:09,555 --> 01:29:12,655

Katie: interestingly enough, I'm, I'm

referencing the thing episode a lot

:

01:29:12,655 --> 01:29:18,585

because my guest had brought up that

he had heard Swayze being used as a

:

01:29:18,585 --> 01:29:25,245

slang term, but in that episode, it,

what it meant was like, just uber

:

01:29:25,245 --> 01:29:27,155

cool, just like, Oh, you're so Swayze.

:

01:29:27,934 --> 01:29:33,795

But I was reading about in New York

city in the nineties, Swayze was used

:

01:29:33,795 --> 01:29:39,715

as a slang term for, like disappear,

leaving, disappearing, like ghosting.

:

01:29:40,030 --> 01:29:40,250

Chad: oh,

:

01:29:40,900 --> 01:29:42,120

Lizzy: Oh, I didn't even think about that.

:

01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:42,880

That's hilarious.

:

01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:43,400

Yeah.

:

01:29:43,420 --> 01:29:44,920

I'm gonna Swayze , I'm just,

:

01:29:44,985 --> 01:29:46,295

Katie: gonna, I'm gonna Swayze.

:

01:29:46,615 --> 01:29:47,325

Notorious B.

:

01:29:47,325 --> 01:29:47,415

I.

:

01:29:47,415 --> 01:29:47,655

G.

:

01:29:47,655 --> 01:29:49,865

was one artist who was

especially fond of using it.

:

01:29:50,325 --> 01:29:53,555

And, oh, Swayze was in

the video, in Ja Rule's

:

01:29:53,565 --> 01:29:54,075

video.

:

01:29:54,315 --> 01:29:55,065

Murder Reigns.

:

01:29:55,821 --> 01:29:56,141

Yeah.

:

01:29:56,161 --> 01:29:56,641

Chad: didn't know that.

:

01:29:56,761 --> 01:29:57,101

Katie: either.

:

01:29:57,631 --> 01:29:58,738

Ah, Ghost.

:

01:29:59,963 --> 01:30:00,723

Lizzy: I love it so much.

:

01:30:01,768 --> 01:30:09,138

Katie: So Ghost mashup of romance Mystery,

paranormal, and even great comedy.

:

01:30:09,488 --> 01:30:13,481

And it's a fun time of year to be

revisiting this particular Swayze movie

:

01:30:13,521 --> 01:30:16,131

nd the start of a new decade,:

:

01:30:16,631 --> 01:30:21,271

But we must now return to the present day

reality until the next Retro Made episode.

:

01:30:21,461 --> 01:30:25,981

Chat, Lizzie, it was such a pleasure

having you guys join me for this

:

01:30:25,981 --> 01:30:27,861

particular trip down memory lane.

:

01:30:28,161 --> 01:30:29,971

Do you have any closing

thoughts on the movie?

:

01:30:29,991 --> 01:30:30,721

And then also,

:

01:30:30,721 --> 01:30:32,701

please be sure to tell

us where we can find you.

:

01:30:33,361 --> 01:30:33,581

Lizzy: Yes.

:

01:30:33,771 --> 01:30:34,661

Well, thank you so much.

:

01:30:34,691 --> 01:30:35,621

This was so much fun.

:

01:30:35,681 --> 01:30:37,221

And I'm in the same boat that you are.

:

01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:41,941

I mean, a lot of, put the podcasters that

we meet, the, the hosts, the other amazing

:

01:30:41,941 --> 01:30:46,061

co-hosts of Retro Movie Roundtable, and

then the majority of our guests are men.

:

01:30:46,061 --> 01:30:50,701

So it's so nice to banter back and forth

with a fellow, with a fellow woman.

:

01:30:50,881 --> 01:30:53,661

So this was so fun,

especially a big Swayze fan.

:

01:30:54,331 --> 01:30:56,821

This movie's just a classic,

honestly, it never gets old.

:

01:30:57,101 --> 01:31:00,541

I think that this will . Go down in time.

:

01:31:00,771 --> 01:31:06,261

It's just one of those disruptors

that really earned its right to stand

:

01:31:06,261 --> 01:31:08,381

still, and I, I just, I love it.

:

01:31:08,501 --> 01:31:13,781

I had just as much fun rewatching it as I

did the first time, and I'm just excited

:

01:31:13,781 --> 01:31:15,061

that we got the chance to talk about it.

:

01:31:15,886 --> 01:31:17,136

Chad: Yeah, I'm, I'm

:

01:31:17,446 --> 01:31:20,616

very grateful to be

invited to the girls club

:

01:31:20,681 --> 01:31:20,901

Lizzy: Yes,

:

01:31:21,376 --> 01:31:23,856

Chad: I, I, I, I like

hearing that perspective.

:

01:31:24,216 --> 01:31:29,671

Honestly, having on our show

been, So fantastic because oth

:

01:31:29,671 --> 01:31:33,791

otherwise, we were doing how to lose

a guy in 10 days with three guys.

:

01:31:34,411 --> 01:31:38,431

And I, was the one defending

it, but it felt miserable.

:

01:31:38,811 --> 01:31:41,921

Katie, we've loved having you as a

guest, bringing that perspective.

:

01:31:41,981 --> 01:31:45,441

We love having the female perspective

'cause things get brought up

:

01:31:45,471 --> 01:31:47,401

that just don't occur to us.

:

01:31:48,201 --> 01:31:48,441

movie.

:

01:31:48,781 --> 01:31:49,261

I love it.

:

01:31:49,731 --> 01:31:52,701

It's an, like I said, it was

the first romance movie that I

:

01:31:52,701 --> 01:31:57,461

think I can remember watching and

getting to show it to my wife.

:

01:31:57,851 --> 01:31:58,581

That was special.

:

01:31:58,681 --> 01:31:59,821

It was a nice date night.

:

01:32:00,321 --> 01:32:04,861

So it's, it's always fun when I get

to bring a romance movie to my wife

:

01:32:05,300 --> 01:32:05,941

cause she's seen

:

01:32:07,521 --> 01:32:11,261

And to get, watch her

with that iconic scene.

:

01:32:11,550 --> 01:32:13,621

She's not taking up pottery anytime soon.

:

01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:14,221

She is.

:

01:32:14,681 --> 01:32:16,141

She is a This is messy.

:

01:32:16,576 --> 01:32:17,416

I don't feel clean.

:

01:32:18,901 --> 01:32:23,121

But yeah, I, I love talking movies

and it's fun getting this perspective

:

01:32:23,461 --> 01:32:25,841

as opposed to when we

do something like crank

:

01:32:25,981 --> 01:32:26,141

Katie: Mm

:

01:32:26,151 --> 01:32:26,541

hmm.

:

01:32:26,771 --> 01:32:26,991

Lizzy: Yes.

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01:32:28,991 --> 01:32:29,651

Katie: Very different.

:

01:32:30,681 --> 01:32:30,901

Chad: Yes.

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01:32:31,391 --> 01:32:32,191

Katie: Awesome.

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01:32:32,741 --> 01:32:36,211

And thank you all for listening

or watching on YouTube.

:

01:32:36,701 --> 01:32:40,491

If you're loving RetroMade, show some

love by rating and reviewing the show.

:

01:32:40,951 --> 01:32:43,781

It's your ticket to keeping

that nostalgia alive.

:

01:32:44,681 --> 01:32:47,031

next time, be kind, rewind.

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