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4th Oct 2023

The Thing | S1E12

Today, we travel back to June of 1982 to discuss Kurt's performance in a horror sci-fi mystery, The Thing!

My guest today is Zo Richardson from Back Look Cinema: The Podcast. Zo is a Podcaster and movie enthusiast. An artist who enjoys creating graphic art. A comic book lover from way back. A lover of sci fi books. An insatiable video game player. Check him out: https://www.backlookcinema.com/

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Transcript
Katie:

Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Let's take another trip down memory lane.

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Today we travel back to June

of:

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performance in a horror mystery.

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The thing I'm happy to have Zoe

Richardson from his show Back

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Look Cinema here with me today.

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Zoe is a podcaster and a movie

enthusiast, an artist who enjoys creating

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graphic art, a comic book lover from

way back, a lover of sci-fi books.

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So hopefully he enjoyed the

thing, the sci-fi nature of that.

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also an insatiable video game player and

I was actually very honored to guest on

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Back Look Cinema a little while back.

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And we covered the super fun

85 movie that was Teen Wolf.

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And Zoe is actually, just coming

back from hiatus and he will be

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back with new episodes by the

time this episode comes out.

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So Zoe, thank you so much for joining me.

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Tell us more about you and your show.

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Zo Richardson: Thank you.

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It's great to be here.

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So I am in the process of

retooling the show, just slightly.

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and the way that I'm retooling it

actually, I've kind of been doing

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it already, so I wanna focus on,

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having guests on the show.

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So the goal is to have a guest on

every episode and, the focus on,

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what we liked about the movie and

the trivia, like I always do, but

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sometimes I feel like it runs too long.

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So I'll probably arrange it in such a way

that I'll have three things that we liked

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about the movie and then like maybe, 10

interesting things of trivia, like the

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top 10 trivia, well trivia things that

I found interesting about the movie.

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And it's like when you dig into

the behind the scenes, you find

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a lot of interesting things.

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As a matter of fact, I was just

reading that, I forgot his name,

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but the guy who played the shark

on Jaws, do you remember that dude?

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Katie: The shark hunter.

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Ooh.

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Zo Richardson: Right?

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the guy from the boat, right?

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So it was his boat.

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I

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remember the name of the Yeah.

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Quentin, that's so the guy, the,

his son, that guy's son is actually

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doing a stage play of the behind

the scenes shenanigans on Jaws.

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So

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because, right.

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So the trivia movies is really

interesting and that's what something

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I want to, I don't want that to

be the focus of my podcast, but I

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wanna highlight that on a podcast

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and, that those are some of

the things that we're doing.

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Katie: That sounds really fun.

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I'm really excited for new episodes.

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So well, shall we get into the

retro frame of mind by opening the

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time capsule from ? June, 1982.

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Okay.

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So the early eighties.

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We haven't covered a ton.

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and you know, I was like a year,

not quite even a year old at this

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time, so I don't recall a lot of

these shows, but some in syndication.

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But it's kind of fun to go

back to the early eighties.

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It's very different from

the late eighties I found.

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so according to Nielsen ratings from the

81 to 82 season, the popular primetime

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shows were Dallas, the Jeffersons

Threes company, which I freaking love.

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I still watch that show Alice the Dukes

of Hazard two Close for Comfort, which I,

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had never heard of that Have you heard of?

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Too Close for Comfort.

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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Used to watch it all the time.

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Katie: Really?

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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It's about, cartoonist and his family.

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And that's what I found so

fascinating about the show.

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He wrote a, I think the name of

his, it was like a daily strip in a

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newspaper, and I think the name of

his strip was called The Cosmic Cow.

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And it's it's not focused on that

work, but it was just, it's like

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in a plateau of like TV landscapes

where you have the main characters

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as doctors, lawyers, or plumbers or,

waitresses or that sort of thing.

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This guy had a totally unusual lifestyle.

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He was a cartoonist

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and that's how he supported his family.

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And I

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remember this one particular storyline

where, he had drawn the panels for the

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comic and he was supposed to submit

them to the newspaper for work, and

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somebody had destroyed the panels and

he had to draw them all over again.

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So

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Katie: That's very sitcom.

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That's super sitcom.

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Zo Richardson: yeah.

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Katie: I did read that was actually based,

there was a British show, as we often do.

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we kind of imitate what the

British do, but Oh, interesting.

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So you've, okay.

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I've never seen too close for comfort,

so that sounds like a fun one.

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Mash, did you watch Mash?

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Were you a MASH

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Zo Richardson: Yeah, I watched, I wa

I don't know if I was a mass person,

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I knew that when the theme song came

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on, it was time to go do something else.

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I was like, oh, my time

for watching TV is over.

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And I watched some episodes

sometimes it was like, I would

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watch it and I would enjoy it, but

I wouldn't watch it on purpose.

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But it had, it was such a draw to me

that when the final episode aired,

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I had to watch the episode, like the

series finale, and it was gripping.

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it.

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was way more potent.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was incredible.

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It was like, 'cause it was more dramatic.

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The

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season, the series finale, the

one that ended the entire series.

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So this is when they had to, it

was a chaotic escape from Korea

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because this is a show about the

Korean War and it was hardly funny.

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It was so

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serious.

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And, it was about a lot of it covered

like the post-traumatic stress that

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the, the doctors had gone

through while they were in Korea.

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yeah, it was incredible.

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Katie: I actually haven't seen it,

but I have isn't it in like the

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records, like the most watched bit of

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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Katie: ever or something

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Zo Richardson: it's one of the most,

yeah, it's one of the most watched,

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'cause it was a very popular show.

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So it was one of the most watched series

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finale, in history.

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Katie: interesting, huh, okay.

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Also popular at this time was One Day

at a Time, and Archie Bunker's Place.

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So those were the top shows.

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Were you into the Dallas, like

those like the soap opera ones?

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Did you watch any of those ever?

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Zo Richardson: that's one of those

things where if I seen them, it's only

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because somebody else was watching.

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So my mom's watching or my

grand, my grandparents are

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watching or something like that.

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I'm not watching it, it

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just happens to be on TV and I

don't want to get up and go to

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my room, so I'm gonna watch this.

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and I was, and I watched enough of

it to get caught up in who Shot JR.

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But I couldn't tell you all of

the characters in, in Dallas

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or Falcon Crest or any of that.

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I just knew that they were on and I had

to watch 'cause they were watching it.

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Katie: The who Shot Jr.

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That's how I, that's I've never seen

Dallas, but I know it's so a part of pop

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culture that I know that's from Dallas.

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Yeah.

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It's crazy Town and I never watched,

so there's Company and The Jeffersons

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are two shows that were super

popular at this time that obviously

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I didn't watch when I was an infant.

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But those are, two shows that have

really found, a place in syndication.

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They're both on all the time.

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And that's how I've seen those two

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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It's funny with the Jeffersons, I

used to always think that it was a

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syndication of, I never knew that there

were new episodes by the time, or maybe

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it was 'cause it was 1982, I think I,

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I was watching those shows like The

Jeffersons forever and, Three's company.

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That's a trip because you, people

say things like, well, a show

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like that can't be made today.

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And I think a show can be made like

that can be made today, but it'd be a

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lot of like pushback and controversy

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over that show because it was

like, it was pushing against a lot

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of cultural taboos at that time.

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Katie: That's

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Zo Richardson: And so it was a since it

was, and that's what made the show funny.

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It was, it was basic based on the

culture of the time, on the time when

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they were, they would have female

only housing and the guys trying to,

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and it was another show like that

starring Tom Hanks, Booz and Buddies.

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But that's

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a older show.

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And these,

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Katie: it ended that, the

finale of that show was in:

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Zo Richardson: right, so Bos and

Buzz is about guys cross-dressing

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so they can get affordable housing.

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three's company is about a guy pretending

to be gay, so he could live with two

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women so he could have affordable housing.

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So It's incredible

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Katie: It what a time.

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What a time.

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And nobody, it, what's funny about that is

nowadays people would be up in arms about,

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Zo Richardson: Oh yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Katie: people have a cow about stuff that

like, it's be upset about real things.

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How about, okay,

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Zo Richardson: Right.

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And here's the thing, they'll say, oh,

they didn't do that back in my day.

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And I'm like, they were

doing exactly that back in

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your day,

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Katie: Exactly.

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Exactly.

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There are so many examples of it.

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I know.

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I

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Zo Richardson: Right, right.

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Katie: I could go on.

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But yeah.

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let's see.

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So also what ended, it's interesting,

like I do feel older than I am because

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I remember watching, reruns of W K R

P in Cincinnati and that ended in 82.

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Like its finale was in

82, like it ended in 82.

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That's crazy.

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Also ending in 82 was Mark and

Mindy, and Laverne and Shirley.

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I'm very familiar with all of these

shows, but I never watched them.

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But obviously they ended

by, you know, basically when

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I was born,

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Zo Richardson: I, feel like I've watched

all the sitcoms 'cause most of the

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shows you have named so

far, I've watched those

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Katie: oh, sitcom sitcoms are

my jam because in the eighties,

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so do you have any guesses of

some sitcoms that started in 82?

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Zo Richardson: Nope, not a clue.

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I'm bad with time.

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Katie: okay, cheers.

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Started

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in 82, family ties and silver spoons

also night writer, but it's not a sitcom.

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But I feel like this is kind of the

advent of the ultimate sitcom decade.

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You know, like we're moving away from some

of these like soaps and stuff like that.

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Zo Richardson: yeah, that's when they

had, must see, I think, I don't know if

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they called it must see tv, but it was

something about a Thursday night that,

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N B C had a slogan because

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they had this Thursday night up

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and,

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Katie: I think, yeah, you're right.

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Oh, Thursdays were the

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's when I think, the

lineup was The Cosby Show.

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A different World

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Cheers.

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And a couple other shows.

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I felt like I watched them all

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Katie: you have a really good memory.

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I, me too.

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most of the episodes I've done so

far have been more like mid or late

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eighties, or even early nineties.

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So like the same, like cheers on

the Roseanne and the Golden and

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Girls Like, and The Cosby Show.

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Those are like mainstays

in the top ratings.

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But, so since this is 82, it's a

little different, which is a nice

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little refresh, refreshing change.

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Zo Richardson: Right.

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And you mentioned night Writer.

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I remember that was like

an event, like the first

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episode of the night writer

Everybody had to gather around

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and watch this first episode.

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Katie: Oh, and that's, what's his face?

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David Hasselhoff.

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Is he Knight, right?

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Or is Knight Rider the car?

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Who's Knight?

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Zo Richardson: Knight Knight

Rider refers to the character

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that David Hasselhoff plays.

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His name is Michael Knight, so

they call him the Knight Rider

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is a play on, the time of day night,

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and his name Knight, and he

works for the Knight Foundation

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and a lot of bit to the lure.

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the car was like, an advanced

prototype of basically an AI

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operated, self-aware automobile

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and they go out and fight crime.

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Yeah.

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So

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that's Knight Rider We all loved it.

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Katie: I can see guys,

boys really liking that.

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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My aunt, my, my aunt liked that show too.

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and I was surprised.

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Katie: well, or maybe, are

there attractive people in it?

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David Hasselhoff was probably

like pretty to look at.

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Zo Richardson: it's Hollywood.

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it's all Pretty people

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Katie: people.

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So there's something for everyone.

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Always.

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Zo Richardson: right?

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Katie: were you, were you a

Saturday morning cartoon kid?

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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That's the only time I willingly got

up early on Saturday morning, was I

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would get up as early as possible.

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I would get up, I would try to get

up at six o'clock to catch the,

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'cause sometimes they, they

would have like vintage cartoons,

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like in the early hours before the

cla, the regular, the current cartoons.

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So I remember getting up early to try

to watch, something like Felix the Cat,

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or I don't know, some old Spider-Man

cartoon, like from the:

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I would try to get up

early to watch those.

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And then the regular cartoons would start

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Katie: Dang.

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I don't remember getting

up that early, but I do.

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Oh, Saturday mornings was the best.

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And in 82, so some of my favorites, I,

again, like I remember a lot of things.

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I must have just saw a lot of reruns

because I loved The Smurfs, which

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was, one of the big shows in 82.

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I mean, that spanned like

nine seasons, I wanna say.

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Katie: and then also shirt tails.

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This is the first time

shirt tails has come up.

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So 82, do you remember the shirt tails?

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Little Animals?

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No.

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Okay.

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yeah.

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And then on Sundays, captain

Kangaroo, did you ever watch that?

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Zo Richardson: yes, I watched a

little bit of Captain Kangaroo until

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I felt as though I aged out of it,

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Katie: Okay.

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What

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Zo Richardson: I definitely watched,

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Katie: what were some of

your favorite cartoons?

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Zo Richardson: I don't know

when they came out, but you've

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mentioned a lot of them on the show.

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there was the Transformers, spider-Man

and his amazing friends, and then that

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was paired with the Incredible Hulk.

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and then there, there was like

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the Bugs Bunny, he

roadrunner like 90 minute,

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cartoon.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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And there was, I mean, I was

watching that all the time.

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And then there's Hannah Bara Laugh

Olympics and that's always fun.

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Katie: Yes.

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I love all the Hanna Bara stuff.

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all their cartoons.

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Like I'll watch anything.

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Yeah.

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Zo Richardson: Right, right.

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Katie: I liked a lot of the sixties stuff

Flintstones was one my favorites, and I

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don't think it was on a, they had like

spinoffs, like the baby versions and

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stuff like that, and they weren't as good,

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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right.

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right.

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That was actually, I would just

say that actually aired when it

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originally aired that it aired.

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In, in, at nighttime at, what

do you call it, primetime.

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That was primetime television.

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Katie: the Flintstones.

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was actually meant, yeah, it, as if

you remember back in the day when, like

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the television, the actors themselves

would advertise certain products

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so that's where, you know, the sponsors,

they would have they would do the ads

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as opposed to like TV commercials or

along with regular TV commercials.

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So you have Fred Flintstones, the

animated character, doing commercials

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for like cigarettes, right.

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Katie: oh my God.

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that, oh my God, that's amazing.

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Actually, like in its own

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Zo Richardson: Yeah.

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Katie: That's

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Zo Richardson: Right,

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Katie: I didn't know that.

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I didn't know it was on Prime time.

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Cool.

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I watched it like after school, the

Flintstones and the Brady Bunch was on.

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After school, like at

three 30 on t b s always.

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So I watch those after school

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Zo Richardson: right.

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Oh yeah.

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Fact, check me on the Flintstone thing.

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I'm like 90% sure that it's accurate.

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Katie: It's okay.

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we like to speculate on the show.

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No worries at all.

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. have you heard of, so then there's like

this, like midday programming that like

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after, like all the good cartoons are

on, this is one I didn't know existed.

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It's the Gary Coleman show was, in

:

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like animated, but it was Gary Coleman.

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Zo Richardson: Oh,

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I may Have seen a little bit of, I've

probably seen a little bit of that.

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Like every, a lot of celebrities had

cartoons, MC Hammer, harder cartoon for a

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little while.

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the Jackson Five, obviously

they had a cartoon.

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the Globe Triers had a cartoon.

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Katie: the Globetrotters.

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Zo Richardson: but I think I remember

a little bit of Gary Copeman.

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Oh, do you remember Mr.

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T had a cartoon

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Katie: he certainly did.

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Zo Richardson: he had an action

figure that was 12 inches high.

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Katie: Really,

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Zo Richardson: Yeah,

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Katie: funny.

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Zo Richardson: I remember the song

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Katie: oh God, Mr.

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So I literally just got done

recording for my Rocky show and

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we're in Rocky three right now.

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So we have Mr.

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T, so he will forever.

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Mr.

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Zo Richardson: right?

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Katie: Sort of on that note, were

you, did you watch wrestling at all?

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Zo Richardson: Oh man.

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I watched wrestling all the time.

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And as a matter of fact, there

was, there used to be a, a

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Saturday morning show that WWF did

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well, back at the time it was called W

F and it was called the Saturday Morning

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Superstars.

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And it's I would watch it, but

you didn't always get like the

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prime wrestlers in that show.

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So you would get like the,

a lot of the unnamed or.

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tier wrestlers on superstars.

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And then every once in a while they'll

throw in like a Hulk Hogan or an

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Iron Sheik or something like that.

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I, but I don't remember there being

a whole lot of the, like the big

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name wrestlers.

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Oh,

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also they also had a cartoon

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Katie: yep.

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my God.

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There was a cartoons in the eighties.

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Literally everything.

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I'm not, and I did, in doing the

show, I learned that a lot of things

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like lasted for half a season or

something like, but they would

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Zo Richardson: yeah,

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Katie: would try anything, see if

kids would watch it and buy cereal

416

:

in the commercials or whatever

417

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Zo Richardson: yeah.

418

:

Katie: they were trying to sell us.

419

:

Zo Richardson: But yeah,

I was all about wrestling.

420

:

Katie: who are your wrestlers at all,

but also like early eighties is very

421

:

different than like later in the decade.

422

:

Zo Richardson: Right, right.

423

:

I don't remember the timeframe,

424

:

but .Like I started, obviously

I started off with Hulk Hogan.

425

:

he was a big draw.

426

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I was drawn in just

like everybody else was.

427

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And then later on it's

like the junkyard dog

428

:

and somebody like, and then there's

like people that I didn't know

429

:

that I enjoyed watching 'cause

I love to hate him so much.

430

:

So there was somebody like macho man

431

:

and it's you know, he was so bad.

432

:

I hated the macho man 'cause he was like,

everything against everything I stood for.

433

:

But he is so entertaining.

434

:

I didn't realize until I watched this,

YouTube clip and he was doing this thing

435

:

with, you know, those little cups of

cream that you put in your coffee that you

436

:

get at seven 11.

437

:

And he was doing this speech in his

promo about the cream of the crop.

438

:

He's being interviewed by Mean

439

:

Gene Erland.

440

:

And he was talking about

I'm the cream of the crop.

441

:

And he was taking these little cups

and he was putting 'em all over and

442

:

he's trying to put it on his shoulder.

443

:

He's trying to put it on

top of mean Gene's head.

444

:

And he is saying the little cups of

falling and he just producing these

445

:

little cups of cream, putting 'em

all over the place while he's talking

446

:

about how he's the cream of the

447

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crop.

448

:

And, and then there are other

ones like, I like Undertaker.

449

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Maybe he

450

:

was like the early

451

:

nineties, but he was

definitely one of my dudes.

452

:

and then there were the rockers

who I believe came out in the late

453

:

eighties before they broke up.

454

:

And, the, the guys with

the face paint like sting

455

:

and the,

456

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Katie: Oh,

457

:

Zo Richardson: You You had Sting,

you had, the Road Warriors.

458

:

I

459

:

was struggling to remember their name.

460

:

you had, all of the, all of those guys.

461

:

you had the Harlem Heat.

462

:

Love those guys.

463

:

Katie: Well, I don't

464

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Zo Richardson: And

465

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Katie: Heat.

466

:

Zo Richardson: they're, well,

you probably know one of them.

467

:

It's, oh, goodness gracious.

468

:

I'm forgetting everything.

469

:

You got me on the spot here.

470

:

I'm

471

:

losing memory, but,

472

:

Katie: remembering a lot more than I do.

473

:

Zo Richardson: right.

474

:

So Harlem Heat was a black tag

team pur from Harlem, but in

475

:

real life, never lived in Harlem.

476

:

it was, gosh, gosh, I can't remember.

477

:

I'll remember later on.

478

:

and then, with Harlem Heat, they

started in W C W and then, after,

479

:

actually they, they spent all,

almost all of their time in W C W.

480

:

And then when, WWE bought W C W,

481

:

some of the wrestlers, including

Harlem Heat went over to WWE

482

:

Booker t I knew I was gonna

483

:

remember.

484

:

So Book Booker t is

somebody you would know.

485

:

And the other one,

486

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I, his name goes in and outta memory.

487

:

Then, my fav one of my

favorite wrestlers of all time.

488

:

from that area at least, late

eighties, early nineties,

489

:

that was the ultimate warrior.

490

:

And I used to love watching the Ultimate

Warrior, apparently caused a lot of,

491

:

wasn't everybody's favorite wrestler

492

:

as far as the people who

actually had to work yeah.

493

:

The other wrestlers.

494

:

Right, right, right.

495

:

As a matter of fact, the, they hated

them so bad that they came out with

496

:

a disc video on the Ultimate Warrior.

497

:

This is long after he left.

498

:

Yeah.

499

:

And then, like later on, it's

like they re they made amends

500

:

him, the Ultimate Warrior and wwe.

501

:

So they came out with a, like a,

an alternate video series that kind

502

:

of praised the ultimate warrior

and his exploits in wrestling.

503

:

and then I forgot about Andre, the

giant obvi, he's definitely one of

504

:

the ma, one of the main men, and I'm

forgetting a whole bunch of wrestlers,

505

:

that I used to love the SSID Vicious.

506

:

Katie: Oh, I don't know.

507

:

Zo Richardson: I mentioned Sting.

508

:

There was, he's just a big, just

a great big Viking looking dude,

509

:

and he almost always has short hair there.

510

:

There's also the

511

:

Steiner Brothers.

512

:

I love the Steiner Brothers.

513

:

Katie: Dang.

514

:

You have a really good memory.

515

:

It's so funny because, wrestling, the

vast majority of my guests have been men.

516

:

And even though I'm a girl, I do, I

remember watching wrestling, but wrestling

517

:

must have been such a thing that,

518

:

Zo Richardson: Right?

519

:

Katie: that I've talked

to who was into it.

520

:

Zo Richardson: yeah, it's

just a male soap opera.

521

:

It's, and it's just

522

:

fun to watch them.

523

:

And it's it's so different now.

524

:

Back when I was growing

up, we used to think it was

525

:

real, and it's and then you

would get into con we would call

526

:

them conversations with people.

527

:

It's well, wrestling isn't real.

528

:

It's yeah, it's right.

529

:

Katie: Yeah.

530

:

your team sucks.

531

:

Nuh, yours does.

532

:

Zo Richardson: yeah.

533

:

But, and then later on

that all changed, but

534

:

still, it's different looking at it now

than when we thought that it, was real.

535

:

Katie: Agreed.

536

:

I mean, I obviously don't follow it

now, but, and some people still do.

537

:

I just can't imagine it being as

fun, like just knowing, I don't know.

538

:

Zo Richardson: Well, I see, I

still catch the occasional mask.

539

:

See, the drama is still there.

540

:

Like the storylines are still there.

541

:

And that's all we were really following

542

:

were the storylines even back in the day.

543

:

Katie: all,

544

:

Zo Richardson: We just, the

only thing we know right?

545

:

The only thing that we know

is that it's predetermined.

546

:

So what you got, what you understand

is that now you're watching a bunch

547

:

of stunt performers perform stunts.

548

:

So the stunts that they perform are

549

:

fascinating and I like it today because

550

:

there are so many more

women wrestlers now,

551

:

and they are fantastic.

552

:

So one of my favorite is Charlotte Flair.

553

:

She's the daughter of Rick Flair,

554

:

Katie: I hear

555

:

Zo Richardson: she does

556

:

Katie: isn't she?

557

:

Zo Richardson: She does one of my

favorite finishers of all time.

558

:

So she does a variation of Rick

Flair, his finisher was the

559

:

figure four leg lock and you know,

560

:

a pretty much basic moves.

561

:

He just gets your leg, he wraps him up

and he racks you in pain until you submit.

562

:

So she does her own version of the

figure four leg leg lock where she

563

:

gets you in a bind and she arches

her back and then she does something

564

:

extra I forgot what it's called.

565

:

But it's a, when you see

it, it's a fascinating move

566

:

and, it's just mesmerizing,

the athleticism.

567

:

'cause it's still athleticism.

568

:

I mean, the outcome is predetermined, but

they're still falling onto real tables.

569

:

They're being hit with wheelchairs

when they die from the top rope

570

:

onto the concrete floor of the

stadium, it's, that's real.

571

:

Right.

572

:

That they're still getting hurt.

573

:

Right.

574

:

Katie: Oh, I, I've, yes.

575

:

I very much appreciate that

it's, it is real and it does take

576

:

talent, and it's a lot of, yeah.

577

:

To your point, I just

578

:

Zo Richardson: So that's,

579

:

Katie: bit.

580

:

I'm like, well, if you know

that, it's just I don't know.

581

:

Zo Richardson: It's, but it's

funny, it's entertaining.

582

:

the recent, I haven't been

watching, but I'm kind of, but

583

:

my stunt still watches a lot, so

584

:

I get hints of what's

going on in wrestling.

585

:

So one of the recent storylines

is, Ray Mysterio, junior, Ray

586

:

Mysterio Jr's son is in wrestling.

587

:

Dominique Ma Mysterio.

588

:

And, but he's a heel and he's

turned, he's joined a heel group.

589

:

So as groups tend to do, they'll

590

:

beat up on Ray Mysterio

or something like that.

591

:

So there's tension between

Ray Mysterio and his son.

592

:

'cause Ray Mysterio doesn't

wanna fight his son,

593

:

but his son wants to fight

to prove that he's a man.

594

:

And it's a whole

595

:

big thing.

596

:

So that's the nice storyline to follow.

597

:

There's another nice storyline

that happened where you had,

598

:

Oh, shoot, I forgot name.

599

:

I'm forgetting names now.

600

:

So there's this group where you had

the world champion and his brothers

601

:

were with him, and they're from

like the island Pacific Islanders.

602

:

And, he's been wrestling

for a very long time.

603

:

Roman

604

:

Reigns and Roman brings, and you had

his, his, his cousins are his, like part

605

:

of his crew and he has a whole bunch of

people that are part of his crew, but then

606

:

his cousins that the tag team champions,

they, he's having beef with them.

607

:

they're not what you call it.

608

:

they're not, they're

fighting amongst themselves.

609

:

and there's tension.

610

:

So now because they wanna

shine and he won't let them

611

:

shine is that sort of thing.

612

:

And so now they're, you know, they're

building up to a big fight between

613

:

Roman Reigns and his, and his crew.

614

:

So the

615

:

storyline still work for me

616

:

just because it's they, 'cause they know

how to write it to, to make it appealing

617

:

and,

618

:

Katie: true.

619

:

I can see

620

:

Zo Richardson: yeah.

621

:

it's just a live action cartoon.

622

:

Katie: Yeah, that's a

good way of putting it.

623

:

And I like how you say it's

a soap opera for boys or men.

624

:

that's a

625

:

Zo Richardson: yeah.

626

:

Yeah.

627

:

Katie: you know.

628

:

Zo Richardson: Right, right.

629

:

Katie: mentioned, Andre the Giant,

we, so in:

630

:

like really big wrestlers, you'll

probably remember these guys.

631

:

Big John Stud, you remember Big John

632

:

Zo Richardson: yes.

633

:

Katie: Gorilla Monsoon.

634

:

Zo Richardson: I know him as an announcer.

635

:

I'd never seen him wrestle.

636

:

Katie: Okay.

637

:

So he's probably a, he's probably

an out, an announcer then,

638

:

Jesse Ventura

639

:

Zo Richardson: Yes.

640

:

Katie: and then Captain Lou Albano,

641

:

Zo Richardson: Right.

642

:

Katie: the bearded like fat guy

with like rubber bands in his beard.

643

:

and there, yeah, he was in the cartoon.

644

:

I remember the cartoon with him in it.

645

:

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

646

:

And the funny thing about Captain Lou,

he's been in a couple of music videos.

647

:

I know that he was in one with, Cyndi

648

:

Laufer.

649

:

Thank you, God.

650

:

It's it was right on the tip of my tongue.

651

:

Glad you got it out.

652

:

And then, 'cause I was gonna get stuck.

653

:

He also played, he was one of the

first actors to play a live action.

654

:

Mario, as

655

:

Mario from the video game,

super Mario Brothers.

656

:

Katie: Oh,

657

:

I didn't know that.

658

:

Zo Richardson: the live action version

on television, when Mario had a cartoon.

659

:

and then there's, what you call

it, yeah, the rubber bands.

660

:

The rubber

661

:

bands were a thing, right?

662

:

That's

663

:

just, his, style.

664

:

And he's, he was right.

665

:

And he wrestled for a long time.

666

:

Like by the time I started, I started

wr watching wrestling, at least

667

:

when I started paying attention.

668

:

gorilla Monsoon and Jesse Ventura,

they had become announcers.

669

:

They weren't wrestling

670

:

Katie: Okay, got it.

671

:

Okay.

672

:

Zo Richardson: but, but he was

Captain Lu Bannon was still

673

:

wrestling.

674

:

Katie: Well, he like Cyndi Lauper somehow,

like they became friends 'cause she kind

675

:

of became a part of wrestling somehow.

676

:

I remember her being like a fan of

Rowdy, rowdy Piper and stuff too.

677

:

It what a weird

678

:

Zo Richardson: Oh yeah, that's another guy

I forgot to mention that he was awesome.

679

:

Roddy,

680

:

rowdy Roddy Piper and, Cyndi Loffer.

681

:

I know that she performed in one of the

Wrestlemanias, but I don't know how many

682

:

shows that she appeared on,

but she at least did that.

683

:

Katie: Yep.

684

:

Agree.

685

:

Yep.

686

:

the Rock's dad, Rocky Johnson

apparently was big in 82.

687

:

Zo Richardson: Yeah, absolutely.

688

:

he was part of a tag

team for the most part.

689

:

That's how I think, his partner

was like s Samson or something

690

:

like that.

691

:

and they were like, I don't know if

they were ever tag team champions, but I

692

:

know they were very prominent TAG team.

693

:

Katie: okay.

694

:

Yeah, I don't remember him at all.

695

:

so I don't, I,

696

:

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

697

:

I don't remember, I don't remember

watching him wrestle, but I remember

698

:

when the Rock started being promoted by

699

:

wwe, they would promote him as the

first, third generation wrestler because

700

:

his grandfather was, what's his name?

701

:

Something Maya via Grand Chief Maya Via,

702

:

and when the Rock first came on,

he called himself Rocky Maia.

703

:

So Maya Via was for his grandfather

and Rocky was for his father.

704

:

Rocky Johnson.

705

:

Katie: Good to know.

706

:

also, Mr.

707

:

Fuji.

708

:

Zo Richardson: Yes, I remember.

709

:

Went to Fuji.

710

:

he was a manager though.

711

:

I

712

:

don't think he was a wrestler.

713

:

Katie: These might, these

are just people in wrestling.

714

:

Zo Richardson: Right, right, right, right.

715

:

Katie: And then Ika, S I K A.

716

:

Ika.

717

:

Ika.

718

:

Zo Richardson: I don't remember him.

719

:

Katie: I think he was like

a warrior esque looking

720

:

Zo Richardson: Nope.

721

:

Doesn't, Nope.

722

:

don't got 'em.

723

:

Katie: Well, move on to music of 1982,

specifically the week of June 25th,

724

:

which is when the thing came out.

725

:

So the Top billboards this

week, there's some good ones.

726

:

Number one song is Ebony and Ivory by

727

:

Zo Richardson: Oh yeah.

728

:

Katie: Stevie Wonder.

729

:

Zo Richardson: Right.

730

:

Katie: I don't like that

731

:

song,

732

:

Zo Richardson: you?

733

:

I love that song.

734

:

Well, I grew up with that song.

735

:

So

736

:

Katie: I don't know.

737

:

Zo Richardson: and Paul McCartney's

had some great collaboration.

738

:

So he did some with Stevie Wonder,

he did some with Michael Jackson and,

739

:

Katie: oh

740

:

yeah.

741

:

Zo Richardson: other people.

742

:

but yeah, I always liked that

song, but it's not, you know,

743

:

not everybody's gonna like, it.

744

:

don't feel

745

:

shame.

746

:

Katie: all right.

747

:

All things are not for all people.

748

:

Zo Richardson: Right.

749

:

There you go.

750

:

There you go.

751

:

Katie: I do some of these other ones.

752

:

So number two is, don't You

Want Me by the Human League?

753

:

I loved that.

754

:

That was like starting to

get that like eighties sound.

755

:

Do

756

:

Zo Richardson: Right.

757

:

I don't remember him.

758

:

I like, I know.

759

:

Katie: want me, right?

760

:

Zo Richardson: Nope.

761

:

Still, Nope.

762

:

that still, I my memory is

fractured What are some other

763

:

Katie: What about Totos?

764

:

Rosanna number three song this week?

765

:

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

766

:

Yeah.

767

:

I remember that one.

768

:

Katie: Then, heat the heat

of the moment by Asia.

769

:

I don't remember Asia.

770

:

What else did they sing anyway?

771

:

Zo Richardson: You know what's funny

is that there are a lot of songs

772

:

that I listened to growing up that

I didn't know who sang them until I

773

:

started using, like streaming music.

774

:

Like I used YouTube, YouTube

music to stream my music.

775

:

And so you get to see

the name of the artist

776

:

who sang.

777

:

I was like, oh, that's who sang this song.

778

:

Katie: I'm the same way because

we didn't have, or even like on

779

:

the radio now it's digitized.

780

:

So you, a lot of times it'll

show you who it is, but

781

:

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

782

:

Yeah.

783

:

Katie: we were growing up.

784

:

Zo Richardson: Right.

785

:

Katie: have a digital radio unless you

happen to catch the video on M T V, but,

786

:

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

787

:

That or the dj.

788

:

I mentioned the name of the person.

789

:

I mean,

790

:

there are a lot of times they'll

say the name of the person when

791

:

they play the song, but a lot

of times I'm also not paying

792

:

attention, so I'll just go and I'm

blissfully ignorant, I don't know.

793

:

And I don't care.

794

:

I just I like this song.

795

:

Especially like when

you're young, like when

796

:

you're in a single digits or you're

in your early teens, like you're 10 or

797

:

12, maybe you don't care about

who sang the song that much.

798

:

It's only when you get 15 and

799

:

16 that you start caring

who the artist is.

800

:

Right?

801

:

Right.

802

:

And so you get the power

to buy your own albums.

803

:

So you have to know the

artist is, and then you start

804

:

putting posters of people on

805

:

your wall.

806

:

You know, it, it's a progression.

807

:

Katie: Who'd you have who, what posters.

808

:

Speaking of what posters

did you have on your wall?

809

:

Do you remember

810

:

Zo Richardson: most.

811

:

Mostly it was like

science fiction posters.

812

:

like there was this movie called

Dark Man, had a Dark Man poster up.

813

:

I had the cast of Star Trek,

the Next Generation, that poster

814

:

I

815

:

Katie: Oh,

816

:

Zo Richardson: I think

I found it somewhere.

817

:

Yeah.

818

:

and stuff like that.

819

:

I don't remember any, like actors

or singers, like an actor, just

820

:

for sake of being an actor.

821

:

They had to have played something.

822

:

but I, those two I remember

823

:

specifically, but I know

I had plenty of others.

824

:

I just can't think of 'em

825

:

Right.

826

:

now.

827

:

But those two are top of mind.

828

:

I probably had a bunch of Star

Trek posters, but not, not many.

829

:

singing,

830

:

or Singers.

831

:

Right, right.

832

:

Or bands or groups.

833

:

I know I had favorite groups,

but I didn't have their posters.

834

:

Katie: Who's your favorite group?

835

:

Zo Richardson: one of them was, yeah.

836

:

well, the earliest ones that

I can remember, I remember I

837

:

bought, my fir, the first album

I ever bought was George Michael

838

:

Faith.

839

:

Katie: good.

840

:

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

841

:

Yeah.

842

:

and then I also liked New Edition.

843

:

then there's,

844

:

Katie: Is that with Bobby Brown?

845

:

Was he a new edition?

846

:

Zo Richardson: And when by the, well,

I liked them the entire time, like

847

:

when they first came out, I think

it was like the early eighties.

848

:

So I liked them the entire

time, but I wasn't able, even

849

:

really able to buy the album.

850

:

Or, the funny thing is I'm not

even cognizant that I could

851

:

buy albums until later on,

852

:

but, so by the time I was cognizant

that I could buy album, it was,

853

:

the, the later ones when they just

had brought in Johnny Gill and

854

:

Bobby Brown was out the group.

855

:

But there, there was also, and then the

separate constituents of new editions.

856

:

So like Johnny Gill by himself,

Bobby Brown by himself, and Biv Devo

857

:

and, tr Ralph Tresvant by himself.

858

:

And then there's also

like heavy d and the boys

859

:

and the guy that used to call himself

the Fresh Prince, DJ So it's actually

860

:

when they first came out, it was

DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince.

861

:

So I like,

862

:

that dual or group.

863

:

Katie: that was good.

864

:

God, I kind of forgot what was

like, what was one of those?

865

:

Was it summertime?

866

:

Was that them,

867

:

Zo Richardson: Well, yeah, that's them.

868

:

that's, them.

869

:

but when I started listening to 'em, like

the first song that I really recognized

870

:

them was a song called Parents Just Don't

871

:

Understand.

872

:

And that and that's the, it didn't

introduce me to rap music 'cause

873

:

I would hear it but I would,

874

:

it wasn't clicking with me at the time,

875

:

the earlier rap stuff.

876

:

But that was the song that

really got me into rap music was

877

:

Parents just don't understand.

878

:

And that was like the Yeah.

879

:

. Yeah, because it spoke to

880

:

me, it was speaking my language.

881

:

'cause parents didn't

882

:

understand.

883

:

Yeah.

884

:

And then it, yeah.

885

:

Yeah.

886

:

and then it I think that was the first

rap album that I bought and Yeah.

887

:

yeah.

888

:

And also it's LL Cool j

889

:

I think that my cousin

took me to that concert.

890

:

Katie: what a, oh, ll oh man.

891

:

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

892

:

Right, right.

893

:

So tho those are some of the acts

that I really enjoyed growing up.

894

:

Katie: Those are good ones.

895

:

all right.

896

:

I'm gonna circle back to the

remainder of the top 10 in June of 82.

897

:

Willie Nelson's always on my mind.

898

:

That was 82.

899

:

Huh?

900

:

I, for some reason, thought

that was like older than that,

901

:

Zo Richardson: It

902

:

is just 'cause he sounds old

903

:

Katie: Yeah.

904

:

. Yeah.

905

:

Yeah.

906

:

He's like forever, like 70

907

:

or

908

:

Zo Richardson: Right?

909

:

Absolutely.

910

:

Katie: The number six song is

literally one of my favorite songs

911

:

Ever Hurt So Good by John Cougar.

912

:

That album, again, this is 82, I just,

like older things, but that is, that's

913

:

one of those few albums where almost

every song is like a hit or really

914

:

good, you know, you don't have to skip.

915

:

It's a

916

:

that's a great album.

917

:

Zo Richardson: love those.

918

:

Unskilled For me, that's

George Michael's album.

919

:

Katie: Yep.

920

:

Zo Richardson: That's,

the New Edition album.

921

:

I, what's it called?

922

:

I can't remember what it's called, but

like the, like I said, the one that I

923

:

mentioned earlier, that's Unskipable.

924

:

even, he's the dj.

925

:

I'm the rapper.

926

:

That's why DJ Jazzy DAF from

the Press Prince that I feel

927

:

like that's ins skippable,

928

:

but maybe it's because I just

listened to him over and over

929

:

again.

930

:

Katie: And you get to know like

when one song ends, you like know

931

:

exactly what the next song is

932

:

Zo Richardson: yeah.

933

:

It gets bad,

934

:

Katie: Crimson and Clover by

Joan Jet in the Black Arts.

935

:

That was quite a song.

936

:

The number eight song is Let It Whip

and the group is Daz, d a Z band.

937

:

I know the song, but I, the

group is unfamiliar to me,

938

:

Zo Richardson: right?

939

:

Right.

940

:

Is that the one that's Let

it whip it good, whip it.

941

:

Good.

942

:

Is that it?

943

:

That's the only song that comes to mind.

944

:

Katie: Well I think that's,

I think that's right.

945

:

Hey guys.

946

:

It's Katie.

947

:

Pardon the interruption?

948

:

Uh, clearly we were wrong.

949

:

So I just thought that I

would have that in there.

950

:

Um, not at all the song we were thinking

of totally different, but still.

951

:

Recognizable the number nine

song, never heard of the group.

952

:

The group is called Juice Newton, or

maybe that's a person Never heard of that.

953

:

The, the song title is Love's

Been a Little bit hard on Me.

954

:

I feel like I know that

955

:

And then number 10 is The

Other Woman by Ray Parker Jr.

956

:

The only reason I know Ray Parker Jr.

957

:

Is because I think last episode

he's, he sings Ghostbusters.

958

:

Zo Richardson: Right.

959

:

That's the only reason I know him.

960

:

I don't know him from anything else.

961

:

Katie: my guest and I,

we thought it was a one.

962

:

He was a one hit wonder with Ghostbusters,

but I guess he, he broke the top 10 again

963

:

with the other woman, which I dunno.

964

:

But

965

:

Zo Richardson: Right, right.

966

:

That's the problem.

967

:

He nobody knows that one

968

:

or nobody really remembers.

969

:

He's not known for that

970

:

one.

971

:

You know, fame is a fickle

972

:

thing.

973

:

Katie: boy, isn't it?

974

:

So there are a few things that

were happening in the world.

975

:

June, 1982, general Efrain Rios Mont

probably pronouncing that horribly.

976

:

declares himself, president of Guatemala.

977

:

That sounds familiar.

978

:

Somebody just declaring

themself president, but

979

:

Zo Richardson: there's actually

a film about somebody like that.

980

:

we call him Napoleon, and

981

:

he declared himself president at once.

982

:

Have you seen the trailer for that?

983

:

Katie: I haven't is it's a

new, it hasn't come out yet.

984

:

Zo Richardson: No.

985

:

It hasn't come out yet.

986

:

It's a film by Ridley Scott.

987

:

It stars Jacques Wing Phoenix and

Jacques Wing Phoenix playing Napoleon.

988

:

Katie: That's gonna be

989

:

Zo Richardson: you get a chance, when

you get a chance, it's tantalizing.

990

:

So go watch that.

991

:

That trailer.

992

:

Katie: he's good.

993

:

he'll, anything he does is good.

994

:

So I'm gonna definitely check that out.

995

:

Argentina surrenders to Great

Britain ending the 74 day

996

:

Falcons Islands conflict.

997

:

I don't, I feel like I remember

hearing about that, but

998

:

yeah, that happened in June.

999

:

Zo Richardson: same.

:

00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:11,560

Heard about it That wasn't interested.

:

00:37:13,165 --> 00:37:15,175

Katie: This one you'll have heard about.

:

00:37:15,835 --> 00:37:19,895

you know, there was a, an attempted

assassination of President Ronald Reagan.

:

00:37:20,725 --> 00:37:21,015

Well,

:

00:37:21,155 --> 00:37:23,295

his would be assassin.

:

00:37:23,485 --> 00:37:24,295

John Hinkley.

:

00:37:24,885 --> 00:37:25,695

John Hinkley.

:

00:37:25,925 --> 00:37:29,535

He's found not guilty of that 81.

:

00:37:29,635 --> 00:37:30,615

So this is 82.

:

00:37:30,915 --> 00:37:33,215

He tried to shoot the president in 81.

:

00:37:34,245 --> 00:37:38,495

He's found not guilty

by reason of Insanity.

:

00:37:39,695 --> 00:37:43,075

So his trial, I, yeah, I

bet that was a big trial.

:

00:37:44,405 --> 00:37:46,165

Zo Richardson: I think

that he's actually insane.

:

00:37:46,405 --> 00:37:47,165

I probably heard about

:

00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:49,315

it at the time too,

but it's, I believe it.

:

00:37:49,345 --> 00:37:53,675

It's, but being found guilty by

reason of a sanity is actually

:

00:37:53,675 --> 00:37:55,915

worse than being just found guilty

:

00:37:56,175 --> 00:37:56,525

Katie: Right.

:

00:37:57,345 --> 00:37:59,545

Zo Richardson: because it's if

you're found not guilty by reason,

:

00:37:59,765 --> 00:38:01,705

ofs sanity, you still get locked up.

:

00:38:01,815 --> 00:38:06,555

It's just that you, ostensibly

you're locked up until you're cured,

:

00:38:06,555 --> 00:38:09,995

like you sent in for treatment,

but you might never be cured.

:

00:38:09,995 --> 00:38:13,115

They might never say that, okay,

you're cured now, and then when

:

00:38:13,115 --> 00:38:16,645

you get cured, then you can be

charged and held and you can

:

00:38:16,645 --> 00:38:17,605

be given another trial.

:

00:38:18,025 --> 00:38:18,605

Katie: That's right.

:

00:38:19,475 --> 00:38:19,765

Yeah.

:

00:38:19,865 --> 00:38:23,175

Zo Richardson: But, the problem

is being found, of sound bind and

:

00:38:23,175 --> 00:38:25,215

body like being declared sane.

:

00:38:25,565 --> 00:38:28,255

Once you're committed in the

institution, that might never happen.

:

00:38:28,605 --> 00:38:29,665

So you're just stuck there.

:

00:38:29,775 --> 00:38:30,575

Katie: indefinitely.

:

00:38:30,755 --> 00:38:31,595

Zo Richardson: there, right?

:

00:38:31,595 --> 00:38:32,235

Indefinitely.

:

00:38:32,455 --> 00:38:35,355

So that's the problem with

being declared not guilty

:

00:38:35,615 --> 00:38:36,715

by reason of insanity,

:

00:38:36,955 --> 00:38:37,525

Katie: Good point.

:

00:38:37,705 --> 00:38:38,525

Really good point.

:

00:38:39,225 --> 00:38:41,845

the fourth NASA space shuttle,

miss Mission Columbia.

:

00:38:42,035 --> 00:38:45,765

Four launches that maybe

was like a lesser known one.

:

00:38:46,345 --> 00:38:52,515

baby William of Prince Charles and

Diana Princess of Wales is born.

:

00:38:53,135 --> 00:38:54,715

so I am older than William.

:

00:38:55,235 --> 00:38:57,315

I don't think I realized

that he was born in 82

:

00:38:58,975 --> 00:38:59,325

Zo Richardson: right.

:

00:38:59,775 --> 00:39:03,235

Katie: he maybe looks older 'cause

he is got the receding hairline.

:

00:39:03,385 --> 00:39:03,915

Poor William.

:

00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:04,490

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:04,930

Yeah.

:

00:39:05,485 --> 00:39:07,665

Katie: And then some huge movie releases.

:

00:39:07,725 --> 00:39:12,865

So the thing in addition to the thing

in June, so it was number seven at the

:

00:39:12,865 --> 00:39:16,425

box office, some other big releases.

:

00:39:16,925 --> 00:39:22,005

a couple would be right up your alley et

one of the biggest movies of all time.

:

00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:25,760

Zo Richardson: Ah, it's one of the

few movies that I saw at the theater,

:

00:39:26,305 --> 00:39:26,685

Katie: Me too.

:

00:39:27,570 --> 00:39:27,790

Zo Richardson: and

:

00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:28,750

I was,

:

00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,080

Katie: re-released, I saw it

at the theater because didn't

:

00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,320

they have an anniversary, rele

:

00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:33,190

Zo Richardson: yeah.

:

00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:37,670

They did that before, ca before most

people had cable, so there were many

:

00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:39,510

movies that were constantly rereleased.

:

00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:41,190

So one of those was Enter the Dragon.

:

00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:43,110

Another one of those is Star Wars.

:

00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:43,350

Another

:

00:39:43,350 --> 00:39:46,350

one of those is ET but I am, I saw it.

:

00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:48,790

Yeah, I saw it when it first came

out, at least around that time.

:

00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:49,390

I saw it in

:

00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:50,110

:

:

00:39:50,620 --> 00:39:51,640

Katie: You were, must

have been really little.

:

00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:52,280

You

:

00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:53,430

Zo Richardson: yeah.

:

00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:54,400

10 or 12.

:

00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:55,280

What?

:

00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,080

Whatever,:

1982 takeaway, 1971,

:

00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,520

whatever that answer is,

:

00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:02,770

Katie: got it.

:

00:40:04,940 --> 00:40:05,670

Zo Richardson: yeah, that.

:

00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:09,530

but yeah, I remember that's one of the

few movies that, my mom took us to see.

:

00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:14,230

And, I remember being late

because she's permanently on

:

00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:16,190

black people time, so I never

:

00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:17,050

Katie: I would've been pissed

:

00:40:17,050 --> 00:40:17,410

though.

:

00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:18,250

I.

:

00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:18,930

don't wanna be late

:

00:40:18,990 --> 00:40:19,210

for

:

00:40:19,535 --> 00:40:20,735

Zo Richardson: didn't, well see.

:

00:40:20,765 --> 00:40:23,815

It's not, it's, it wasn't

something like not, I was

:

00:40:23,815 --> 00:40:24,975

anticipating going to the movies.

:

00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:27,615

I don't think I had any

idea of what I was going to

:

00:40:27,615 --> 00:40:27,775

see.

:

00:40:28,035 --> 00:40:30,855

It was just excitement of going to

the movies and then getting there.

:

00:40:31,035 --> 00:40:33,455

And the credits have already

passed, so you already know

:

00:40:33,455 --> 00:40:34,735

that you're late to the theater.

:

00:40:35,235 --> 00:40:39,015

But it's funny right, because it's,

I've never seen the beginning of et tea

:

00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:40,120

Katie: Oh my god.

:

00:40:40,540 --> 00:40:43,520

You know, actually your mom probably

planned that because if you're late,

:

00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:46,280

you don't have time to stop at the

snack bar, so that way you don't have

:

00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,240

to buy your kids snacks for the movie.

:

00:40:49,365 --> 00:40:50,455

Zo Richardson: Well,

she wasn't gonna do that

:

00:40:50,455 --> 00:40:50,775

anyway.

:

00:40:50,775 --> 00:40:54,215

It's not like she had tojo us or

Fool us or anything like that.

:

00:40:54,275 --> 00:40:56,655

It is, it's like we just

going in a movie to eat.

:

00:40:56,895 --> 00:40:59,535

I, and I'm not sure if,

if we had snacks or not.

:

00:40:59,625 --> 00:41:00,585

I don't remember eating popcorn.

:

00:41:00,785 --> 00:41:01,505

maybe we didn't.

:

00:41:01,505 --> 00:41:02,185

I don't remember.

:

00:41:02,205 --> 00:41:07,175

But I've cultivated a habit of not

eating popcorn in the theater because

:

00:41:07,315 --> 00:41:08,695

I'm kind of rebellious like that.

:

00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,240

Katie: I am, I'm one of

the, I'm glad, oh gosh.

:

00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,600

There's another one of us.

:

00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,760

I am not a popcorn person either.

:

00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:17,240

Like I,

:

00:41:17,885 --> 00:41:18,235

Zo Richardson: Right,

:

00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,960

Katie: remember even when I did go

to the theater as a kid, I would

:

00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,360

get like milk duds or something,

:

00:41:23,295 --> 00:41:23,645

Zo Richardson: right.

:

00:41:23,875 --> 00:41:24,165

Yeah.

:

00:41:24,165 --> 00:41:27,385

The only time I would get like

popcorn or soda is that if I'm with

:

00:41:27,625 --> 00:41:28,825

somebody else, then they have to have

:

00:41:28,895 --> 00:41:29,945

popcorn or soda.

:

00:41:29,945 --> 00:41:31,625

So it's okay, I guess,

I guess we're getting

:

00:41:31,625 --> 00:41:35,385

popcorn and soda, but I try to avoid

it, especially if I'm going into theater

:

00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:37,055

by myself, then I don't touch the stuff

:

00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:41,460

Katie: I don't, . better not to,

I think the movie Popcorn, that

:

00:41:41,780 --> 00:41:44,660

whatever the butter business they

put on it, it can't be good for you.

:

00:41:46,395 --> 00:41:48,015

Zo Richardson: No, none

of that is, but it's good.

:

00:41:48,215 --> 00:41:49,205

I mean, it's delicious.

:

00:41:49,265 --> 00:41:50,025

it's passable.

:

00:41:50,465 --> 00:41:53,145

I can eat it, but I'm not

go, if I can help it, I

:

00:41:53,145 --> 00:41:55,815

don't .It's like I'm

offended by the pricing

:

00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:57,890

Katie: Oh, right.

:

00:41:59,353 --> 00:42:01,173

You can always sneak your own snacks in.

:

00:42:01,865 --> 00:42:02,565

Zo Richardson: you could do that.

:

00:42:02,625 --> 00:42:07,455

But it's I just, it seems to me like my

logic has always been that if I can go

:

00:42:07,455 --> 00:42:11,455

there and pay like a reasonable price for

fast food or whatever, or if I can eat at

:

00:42:11,455 --> 00:42:15,415

home before I go to the movie theaters,

I can not eat for two hours and be fine.

:

00:42:15,625 --> 00:42:15,975

Right.

:

00:42:16,845 --> 00:42:17,135

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:42:17,185 --> 00:42:18,185

you're not gonna die.

:

00:42:18,385 --> 00:42:19,145

I know, but

:

00:42:19,165 --> 00:42:20,155

Zo Richardson: Right, right, right.

:

00:42:20,245 --> 00:42:21,065

Katie: for a lot of people.

:

00:42:21,135 --> 00:42:22,665

It's kind of part of the experience.

:

00:42:22,765 --> 00:42:23,305

I'm with you.

:

00:42:23,485 --> 00:42:24,785

So I don't need it.

:

00:42:25,325 --> 00:42:28,865

But what's becoming more popular,

and I obviously like movies

:

00:42:29,005 --> 00:42:32,905

now are way different, and I

go to movies so infrequently.

:

00:42:32,905 --> 00:42:35,185

it's probably, it's been

over a year, probably since

:

00:42:35,215 --> 00:42:36,625

I've been to a movie theater.

:

00:42:37,285 --> 00:42:41,785

But I like the Cides now because

you can order a meal and it's

:

00:42:41,785 --> 00:42:43,225

like regular restaurant pricing.

:

00:42:43,405 --> 00:42:43,745

You know,

:

00:42:43,975 --> 00:42:44,265

Zo Richardson: yeah.

:

00:42:44,315 --> 00:42:47,215

Katie: you can order a meal or a

beer, like I'll do a beer or a glass

:

00:42:47,215 --> 00:42:48,415

of wine, like that's more my jam.

:

00:42:48,415 --> 00:42:52,815

And it's not like, it's not

like $40 for a glass of wine.

:

00:42:52,885 --> 00:42:53,575

It's like a regular,

:

00:42:53,915 --> 00:42:55,385

Zo Richardson: Right, right, right, right.

:

00:42:55,455 --> 00:42:56,855

Katie: pay at a restaurant normally.

:

00:42:57,355 --> 00:42:58,255

So I kinda like that.

:

00:42:59,295 --> 00:42:59,585

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

00:42:59,585 --> 00:43:00,805

I've been to one, I don't.

:

00:43:01,515 --> 00:43:02,955

I think it was like an A M

C or something like that.

:

00:43:02,955 --> 00:43:05,355

But I went to a theater like

that serves you after you order.

:

00:43:06,035 --> 00:43:07,395

'cause I went and I ordered food.

:

00:43:07,395 --> 00:43:08,635

It was like, oh yeah, just go inside.

:

00:43:08,685 --> 00:43:09,285

we'll bring it to you.

:

00:43:09,325 --> 00:43:10,395

I was like, oh, it's like that.

:

00:43:10,395 --> 00:43:11,075

That's nice.

:

00:43:11,695 --> 00:43:11,985

Katie: Yeah,

:

00:43:12,655 --> 00:43:12,875

Zo Richardson: and

:

00:43:12,945 --> 00:43:13,105

Katie: is.

:

00:43:13,975 --> 00:43:15,435

Zo Richardson: So it,

it is nice to do that.

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00:43:15,575 --> 00:43:18,655

I just, I actually just went to

the theater a couple of times,

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00:43:19,435 --> 00:43:23,745

so a few weeks ago I went to see,

into the Spider Verse, I think it

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00:43:23,745 --> 00:43:23,865

was.

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00:43:24,645 --> 00:43:27,615

And then I think I, no, it's

crossed the spider verse.

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00:43:27,875 --> 00:43:31,105

So I saw that in the theater

and I'm fuzzy on the details.

:

00:43:31,105 --> 00:43:34,545

If I seen anything else between

that and the movie that I just saw

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00:43:34,975 --> 00:43:36,865

last week, I saw a Man on fire.

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00:43:37,045 --> 00:43:38,865

No, that's, I'm getting my moves mixed up.

:

00:43:39,065 --> 00:43:41,745

I saw Equalizer three

completely different movie

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00:43:43,965 --> 00:43:46,295

Katie: Wait, is Denzel Washington in that

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00:43:47,255 --> 00:43:47,795

Zo Richardson: Yes, it is

:

00:43:47,995 --> 00:43:48,515

Denzel Washington.

:

00:43:48,585 --> 00:43:50,675

Equalizer three is a third in the series.

:

00:43:51,175 --> 00:43:55,275

He plays, uh, a badass

assassin and he kills people.

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00:43:55,775 --> 00:43:58,635

And just, you can't

ask for more than that.

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00:44:00,035 --> 00:44:00,535

Katie: that's true.

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00:44:00,775 --> 00:44:04,495

I, to be honest with you, didn't know

there was an equalizer two , so I

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00:44:04,675 --> 00:44:05,025

three.

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00:44:06,125 --> 00:44:06,415

Zo Richardson: yeah.

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00:44:06,415 --> 00:44:07,255

Equalizer two.

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00:44:07,395 --> 00:44:10,935

Not, I didn't enjoy that quite

as much as Equalizer one.

:

00:44:10,935 --> 00:44:12,055

Equalizer one is great.

:

00:44:12,405 --> 00:44:17,015

Equalizer two is just like mid,

or probably even less than mid.

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00:44:17,315 --> 00:44:19,615

And then Equalizer three probably mixed.

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00:44:19,855 --> 00:44:19,975

I

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00:44:19,975 --> 00:44:21,895

just listened to this podcast there.

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00:44:21,895 --> 00:44:24,375

There's a podcast called Watch Skip Plus.

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00:44:25,305 --> 00:44:25,595

Katie: okay.

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00:44:25,955 --> 00:44:27,125

Zo Richardson: they didn't truly enjoy it.

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00:44:27,125 --> 00:44:28,485

They didn't like it as much.

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00:44:28,485 --> 00:44:29,485

they were kind of disappointed.

:

00:44:29,485 --> 00:44:32,445

They thought that it wasn't

even as good as Equalizer two.

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00:44:32,865 --> 00:44:34,645

But I felt differently.

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00:44:34,885 --> 00:44:39,125

I truly enjoyed Equalizer three, and

I don't know why my perspective is

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00:44:39,125 --> 00:44:42,805

different from theirs, but I, me and

Zach, we enjoyed ourselves there.

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00:44:42,805 --> 00:44:43,295

Katie: Well good.

:

00:44:43,875 --> 00:44:47,935

I'm good for you for going to the

theater lately to support the arts.

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00:44:48,455 --> 00:44:48,945

Zo Richardson: enjoyed.

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00:44:49,435 --> 00:44:50,465

Right, right, right.

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00:44:50,905 --> 00:44:52,545

I just liked the experience

inside the theater.

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00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:53,260

Katie: yeah.

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00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:53,820

Yeah.

:

00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:56,270

star Trek two.

:

00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:57,190

The Wrath of Con.

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00:44:57,330 --> 00:44:58,150

Did you see that movie?

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00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:59,030

I bet you did.

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00:44:59,275 --> 00:45:01,055

Zo Richardson: Oh yeah,

that's exactly one.

:

00:45:01,155 --> 00:45:03,815

That's another one of the movies

that my parents took us to.

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00:45:04,115 --> 00:45:07,865

And that was one, it was one

of the most impactful movies

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00:45:08,025 --> 00:45:09,985

I saw, especially at that age.

:

00:45:10,345 --> 00:45:15,165

I remember there was a moment in a movie

and, I started tearing up and my mom

:

00:45:15,165 --> 00:45:16,565

leaned up and was like, are you okay?

:

00:45:16,825 --> 00:45:18,165

And I was like, yeah,

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00:45:19,390 --> 00:45:23,450

Katie: Aw, I have not seen that.

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00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:24,490

but I would

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00:45:24,635 --> 00:45:25,035

Zo Richardson: my God.

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00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:26,850

Katie: I know, listen,

you're gonna hate me.

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00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:28,090

I'm not a sci-fi person.

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00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,020

Zo Richardson: no, I don't

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00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:29,380

hate you.

:

00:45:29,410 --> 00:45:33,140

It's not, you know, but I think

that you would like that one.

:

00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:36,870

It's, well actually you would

like that one and you would

:

00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:38,350

like, star Trek four, the voyage.

:

00:45:38,430 --> 00:45:38,470

Hum.

:

00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:40,790

'cause Star Trek four is much

more grounded because they

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00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:42,150

go to Earth, they go, they

:

00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:45,510

actually go to the past, they go

to:

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00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:46,870

that current year.

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00:45:47,050 --> 00:45:47,340

Katie: okay.

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00:45:47,610 --> 00:45:50,470

Zo Richardson: And then, and so you would

see it from a different perspective.

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00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:53,940

'cause now you're, 'cause

you're looking at a film that's

:

00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,860

in the past set in the past.

:

00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,730

So all of the, it's not

a set that they're on,

:

00:45:58,730 --> 00:46:02,090

they're actually on the streets

of San Francisco and the people

:

00:46:02,090 --> 00:46:05,330

walking around, they're not

wearing costumes, they're regular

:

00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,130

pedestrians just going about their

day just happen to be caught on

:

00:46:09,130 --> 00:46:11,000

camera of a Hollywood production.

:

00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:16,270

There's actually, some scenes where,

the actors like, William Shatner

:

00:46:16,270 --> 00:46:20,400

and Elle Nichols and, the other

actors, they're going around asking

:

00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,160

regular people on the street where

they can find a nuclear submarines.

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00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,680

These, the people that they're

talking to aren't actors.

:

00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,760

They're like real people that

they're talking to on the

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00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,840

streets of San Francisco,

:

00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:34,760

asking them where they can get, where

they can find a nuclear submarine.

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00:46:34,860 --> 00:46:35,750

So that's fine.

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00:46:35,770 --> 00:46:36,430

That's, that.

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00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:37,270

was, yeah.

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00:46:37,585 --> 00:46:39,105

Katie: I might have to give them a chance.

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00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:40,430

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

00:46:40,690 --> 00:46:41,270

So yes.

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00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:42,110

skip.

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00:46:42,140 --> 00:46:45,320

Star Trek one, watch Star

Trek two, three, and four.

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00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:46,120

And.

:

00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:48,590

Then skip to Star Trek six.

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00:46:48,730 --> 00:46:51,470

if you want to watch them, but

you, I think you would like

:

00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:53,150

Star Trek to the wrath of Con.

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00:46:53,445 --> 00:46:53,735

Katie: Okay.

:

00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:54,910

Zo Richardson: that was pretty awesome,

:

00:46:55,015 --> 00:46:55,375

Katie: try it.

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00:46:55,495 --> 00:46:56,095

I will try it.

:

00:46:56,755 --> 00:47:00,615

horror is not my thing

either, which is odd.

:

00:47:00,815 --> 00:47:05,615

'cause now we're, the movie we're covering

today is horror sci-fi mystery, but Kurt's

:

00:47:05,615 --> 00:47:07,325

in it, so that's why we're covering it.

:

00:47:07,615 --> 00:47:11,235

but Poltergeist, I have seen Poltergeist

and I do like some horror movies.

:

00:47:11,235 --> 00:47:12,635

there are some that are just really good.

:

00:47:12,915 --> 00:47:13,995

Poltergeist being one of 'em.

:

00:47:14,335 --> 00:47:18,545

It was, one of the biggest

movies in, June of 82.

:

00:47:19,455 --> 00:47:20,745

Then also, Annie.

:

00:47:21,355 --> 00:47:23,835

Annie, did you watch the Real Annie?

:

00:47:23,885 --> 00:47:24,445

with Carol

:

00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:24,770

Zo Richardson: the,

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00:47:25,275 --> 00:47:25,975

Katie: as Mrs.

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00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:28,460

Zo Richardson: oh, she was in that,

I didn't remember She was in that.

:

00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:29,420

Yeah, she was in that

:

00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:29,620

one.

:

00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,610

I think I've definitely watched

bits and pieces of it, but I don't

:

00:47:33,610 --> 00:47:35,490

ever remember watching it fully from

:

00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:36,330

beginning to end.

:

00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:23,750

Katie: I might have to watch it later

today 'cause it's, I remember loving

:

00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:27,510

and I don't even like a musical either,

like it's an exception at any rate.

:

00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:30,830

Then Firefox, which I'm, I

don't know what Firefox is, but

:

00:48:30,830 --> 00:48:32,230

it was big in 82 apparently.

:

00:48:32,850 --> 00:48:33,750

And then also

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00:48:34,290 --> 00:48:35,000

Zo Richardson: Don't know that one.

:

00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,990

Katie: Blade Runner, I'm sure

you've seen Blade Runner.

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00:48:39,060 --> 00:48:40,090

Zo Richardson: Yes, I've seen it after.

:

00:48:40,350 --> 00:48:44,190

It was, it's weird because, I guess when

it was in theaters, I didn't know it

:

00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:45,870

was in theaters when it was in theaters.

:

00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:48,590

And I wasn't really familiar

with it until after it came out

:

00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:50,970

on V H Ss or, yeah, it was v h s

:

00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:51,330

at the time.

:

00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:54,810

And the funny thing about that is

people used to talk about it all the

:

00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:58,890

time, talk about what a great movie

it is and how impactful it was, and

:

00:48:58,890 --> 00:49:00,050

it just never got around the scene.

:

00:49:00,110 --> 00:49:04,170

So I finally watched it

and I was like, it's okay.

:

00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:09,370

Katie: You know that is so funny

because Blade Runner and the

:

00:49:09,370 --> 00:49:14,370

thing, so they both came out at

the same time, but the As so et.

:

00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:21,340

Blade Runner and the thing, both

Blade Runner and the thing performed

:

00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,780

not well at the box office.

:

00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:30,620

And some have said it's likely because

ET was so huge and it was more like

:

00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,940

. Cute and sweet and not like darker.

:

00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:38,620

And it was sort of like the

appetite that people had was more

:

00:49:38,620 --> 00:49:40,060

in the ET direction at the time.

:

00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,620

And so at the time, blade Runner

and the thing suffered from

:

00:49:44,620 --> 00:49:46,580

that, from being lumped with et.

:

00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:54,890

But later, both films are now considered

some of the best films of their genre.

:

00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:56,450

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

00:49:56,890 --> 00:49:57,570

Katie: a apparently,

:

00:49:57,570 --> 00:50:01,250

like even the thing, it was like, it's

like number a hundred and something

:

00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:09,060

in the a f I or the IMDBs top two

50, and it's IMDB rating is an 8.2.

:

00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,620

I'm like really shocked.

:

00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:17,540

I am actually shocked by that, partially

because it's hard to get a high rating.

:

00:50:17,730 --> 00:50:19,540

Like 8.2 is

:

00:50:19,630 --> 00:50:20,570

Zo Richardson: On I N D B.

:

00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:21,490

Yeah.

:

00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,810

It's very hard to get a above a seven.

:

00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:24,250

So

:

00:50:24,250 --> 00:50:25,560

when you see a eight, it's like

:

00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:26,380

Katie: yeah.

:

00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,250

And I'm a little shocked by that.

:

00:50:28,830 --> 00:50:34,040

And then the last movie is Grease

two, which is kind, it's kind of dumb.

:

00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:37,360

It's not nearly as good as

regular grease, but, all right.

:

00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,600

So before we get into, before we get

into the thing, as you know, Zoe,

:

00:50:42,670 --> 00:50:47,760

this season of Retro Made is focused

on our men, one of which is Kurt

:

00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,040

Russell, the other, Patrick Swayze.

:

00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,320

Do you have any specific

thoughts about either of them?

:

00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:54,200

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

00:50:54,380 --> 00:50:55,620

I like to watch both of them.

:

00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:57,060

They're both for me.

:

00:50:57,060 --> 00:50:58,340

They're both box office draws.

:

00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,780

I'm always interested in seeing

a movie if either one of them

:

00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,100

are in it, are in that movie.

:

00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:10,205

but I don't wanna say it like I lost

interest in Patrick Swayze Early on,

:

00:51:10,425 --> 00:51:15,405

but he wasn't really doing movies that

I wanted to see him in, because I think

:

00:51:15,405 --> 00:51:17,785

after, ghost and, what you call it,

:

00:51:18,525 --> 00:51:22,175

Roadhouse, and then there were some

movies, like he was in a movie called Ken.

:

00:51:22,675 --> 00:51:27,135

And for some reason I wasn't interested

in a movie called Ken and then he's, oh

:

00:51:27,195 --> 00:51:27,635

Katie: of kin?

:

00:51:27,885 --> 00:51:28,175

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

00:51:28,175 --> 00:51:30,695

I think it was next if Ken,

oh, he was also in point break.

:

00:51:30,755 --> 00:51:32,185

So I definitely watched him in that.

:

00:51:32,645 --> 00:51:37,905

And then he, his, his guest appearance

on Saturday Night Live was an

:

00:51:38,185 --> 00:51:39,625

absolute classic, and I remember loving

:

00:51:39,685 --> 00:51:39,845

Katie: that.

:

00:51:40,065 --> 00:51:40,725

Oh my God.

:

00:51:41,865 --> 00:51:43,255

The, the Chippendales dancer.

:

00:51:43,755 --> 00:51:44,255

Is that what

:

00:51:44,405 --> 00:51:44,755

Zo Richardson: Right.

:

00:51:44,815 --> 00:51:46,035

The Chipman Jail dancer.

:

00:51:46,355 --> 00:51:46,855

Katie: Oh my God.

:

00:51:47,325 --> 00:51:48,595

Zo Richardson: Right, right, right.

:

00:51:49,775 --> 00:51:50,555

It was, yeah.

:

00:51:50,555 --> 00:51:51,515

That's super incredible.

:

00:51:51,685 --> 00:51:51,925

yeah.

:

00:51:52,025 --> 00:51:54,085

but I always liked Patrick Swayze.

:

00:51:54,585 --> 00:51:58,545

Did you know that his name, at least for

a brief period of time, became, a slang?

:

00:51:58,925 --> 00:52:01,545

It was kind of like a slang term, at least

:

00:52:01,695 --> 00:52:04,505

I've heard it one time used as a slang.

:

00:52:04,685 --> 00:52:06,665

So specifically Swayze,

:

00:52:06,835 --> 00:52:07,295

Katie: for what?

:

00:52:07,425 --> 00:52:08,215

Slang For what?

:

00:52:08,975 --> 00:52:09,815

I have not heard this.

:

00:52:11,625 --> 00:52:16,235

Zo Richardson: are you, I think

that's means like, are you, It's

:

00:52:16,235 --> 00:52:19,325

kind of hard to, articulate because

I've only heard it in one instance,

:

00:52:19,785 --> 00:52:21,325

but it's like, are you super cool?

:

00:52:21,425 --> 00:52:22,005

are you tough?

:

00:52:22,145 --> 00:52:22,485

Are you,

:

00:52:22,545 --> 00:52:23,085

man enough?

:

00:52:23,265 --> 00:52:24,565

Are you, are you,

:

00:52:24,675 --> 00:52:25,275

Katie: Swayze like.

:

00:52:25,580 --> 00:52:27,050

Zo Richardson: right, are you super mask?

:

00:52:27,050 --> 00:52:29,530

Because it's like the one time

you hear, if you listen to,

:

00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:31,620

rough Ryder's Anthem by D M

:

00:52:31,665 --> 00:52:32,885

Katie: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:35,680

Zo Richardson: so that's the

song where I heard it used as a

:

00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:36,080

slang.

:

00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:38,320

So there's a,

:

00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:38,610

Katie: yes,

:

00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:39,010

you're

:

00:52:39,125 --> 00:52:42,005

Zo Richardson: there's a partner

song with a, is y'all people crazy?

:

00:52:42,235 --> 00:52:43,725

I'll bust you and be Swayze.

:

00:52:43,835 --> 00:52:47,185

I'll be cool, I'll be the

man, I'll be the it factor.

:

00:52:47,435 --> 00:52:47,785

Right.

:

00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,930

Katie: because he can kick ass and

take names and look hot doing it.

:

00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:52,850

Yeah.

:

00:52:53,155 --> 00:52:53,865

Zo Richardson: Right, right.

:

00:52:54,565 --> 00:52:58,745

and then like Kurt Russell, he's been in

a lot of my favorite movies and he's just

:

00:52:58,985 --> 00:53:01,025

a cool, he's just so laid back in scenes

:

00:53:01,325 --> 00:53:05,035

in most of his movies, it's like

a dude that you could chill out

:

00:53:05,035 --> 00:53:06,275

and play Mortal Kombat with.

:

00:53:06,475 --> 00:53:08,115

I don't know, just a pretty chill dude.

:

00:53:08,335 --> 00:53:11,705

And, so yeah, I, and I like a

lot of Kurt Russell's movies.

:

00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:12,880

Katie: Same.

:

00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:15,600

Do you think that Kurt and Patrick

look at, look alike at all?

:

00:53:17,035 --> 00:53:18,735

Zo Richardson: You know

what, I was ready for this

:

00:53:19,015 --> 00:53:19,095

question.

:

00:53:21,315 --> 00:53:23,465

.And well here's, let me issue a preamble.

:

00:53:23,505 --> 00:53:27,035

I actually wrote some notes, when I

think of people that look alike, I

:

00:53:27,035 --> 00:53:29,075

think of people that I would confuse

:

00:53:29,735 --> 00:53:30,475

for one another.

:

00:53:30,825 --> 00:53:34,595

like they look so much alike that I

think they're the other person or I get

:

00:53:34,595 --> 00:53:35,915

them confused or something like that.

:

00:53:36,575 --> 00:53:42,705

for example, you have, Jessica Chasta

and Bryce, Dallas, Howard, I can hardly

:

00:53:42,895 --> 00:53:44,825

tell them apart, they look like twins.

:

00:53:45,325 --> 00:53:46,345

As a matter of fact.

:

00:53:46,575 --> 00:53:47,905

They look so much apart.

:

00:53:47,975 --> 00:53:54,065

They look so much alike that even Ron

Howard, he asked his daughter Dallas about

:

00:53:54,065 --> 00:53:55,785

a film that she was in and Dallas says,

:

00:53:56,085 --> 00:53:57,785

no, dad, that wasn't me.

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00:53:57,785 --> 00:53:58,385

That was Jessica.

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00:53:58,735 --> 00:53:59,345

Justine stain,

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00:53:59,560 --> 00:53:59,720

Katie: do.

:

00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:00,640

I can see that.

:

00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,280

I can see that Jessica's way

prettier in my opinion, but,

:

00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:06,680

Zo Richardson: and then another

example I have is Michael.

:

00:54:06,690 --> 00:54:08,650

Sarah and, Jesse Eisenberg.

:

00:54:08,975 --> 00:54:09,325

Katie: Uhhuh?

:

00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,450

,

Zo Richardson: They look, they not only look alike, but they kind of act

:

00:54:13,450 --> 00:54:16,450

alike and they can almost like be in the

:

00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:17,210

same roles.

:

00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:20,690

So the, that's kind of who I see as being

:

00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,330

looking alike and almost acting

:

00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:22,850

the same.

:

00:54:22,875 --> 00:54:24,655

Katie: doppel Gangy is kind of your

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00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:25,250

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

00:54:25,550 --> 00:54:25,770

Yes.

:

00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:26,570

Right.

:

00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:28,980

So Kurt Russell and, and

:

00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:29,540

what's his name?

:

00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:31,140

.Patrick Swayze.

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00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:31,540

Yeah.

:

00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,620

See, I told you, I guess

was Steve's memory.

:

00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,100

I'm like the dude from Quantum Leap.

:

00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,860

So they, they don't

really look alike to me.

:

00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,420

It specifically because.

:

00:54:40,705 --> 00:54:42,905

Kurt Russell has a really

square looking jaw to

:

00:54:42,905 --> 00:54:42,985

me.

:

00:54:43,055 --> 00:54:44,705

It's like he's, it's a really square jaw.

:

00:54:44,735 --> 00:54:47,745

It's like more jaw than

the average person.

:

00:54:48,215 --> 00:54:50,065

It's like kind of out there.

:

00:54:50,245 --> 00:54:51,015

it's, and maybe

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00:54:51,035 --> 00:54:52,875

Katie: have a similar jaw bone structure?

:

00:54:53,215 --> 00:54:53,435

No.

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00:54:53,675 --> 00:54:53,895

Zo Richardson: not.

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00:54:54,115 --> 00:54:54,615

Not really.

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00:54:54,895 --> 00:54:58,375

I think, Patrick Swayze,

he, his is more regulars.

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00:54:58,485 --> 00:54:59,295

It's more regular

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00:54:59,295 --> 00:55:01,295

looking like human portions.

:

00:55:01,595 --> 00:55:04,255

And then Kurt Russell, it's kind of

:

00:55:04,555 --> 00:55:06,655

out there with how square his face

:

00:55:06,715 --> 00:55:06,935

is.

:

00:55:07,285 --> 00:55:12,155

I feel like patches, Swayze is slightly,

his face is slightly, more oval or more,

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00:55:12,655 --> 00:55:12,945

Katie: Okay.

:

00:55:12,975 --> 00:55:14,215

Zo Richardson: I don't wanna say thinner,

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00:55:14,315 --> 00:55:14,935

Katie: it, well, it is.

:

00:55:14,955 --> 00:55:18,515

Zo Richardson: but it's more

of a over than, and Kurt, see

:

00:55:18,575 --> 00:55:19,715

I'm forgetting names again.

:

00:55:19,845 --> 00:55:21,605

Kurt Russell is more squareish.

:

00:55:21,675 --> 00:55:22,485

It's kind of a square

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00:55:22,705 --> 00:55:23,225

Katie: I see

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00:55:23,225 --> 00:55:25,995

Zo Richardson: so that, that's

why I feel like they don't,

:

00:55:26,215 --> 00:55:27,395

to me, they don't look alike.

:

00:55:27,775 --> 00:55:30,385

And then it's like the

hairs is always different.

:

00:55:30,435 --> 00:55:35,295

up until recently, Kurt Russell

had this huge, like lion's mane of

:

00:55:35,295 --> 00:55:37,455

hair in most of the movies that he's in.

:

00:55:37,915 --> 00:55:40,385

and, Patrick Swayze less he still

:

00:55:40,405 --> 00:55:44,605

has, and he's Patrick Swayze has a

tendency to have a, what do you call that?

:

00:55:44,745 --> 00:55:45,715

like business in the front

:

00:55:45,715 --> 00:55:45,955

part.

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00:55:45,985 --> 00:55:46,275

Yeah.

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00:55:46,455 --> 00:55:47,865

Katie: Well, Kurt had a mullet too.

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00:55:47,895 --> 00:55:48,705

They both, that's

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00:55:48,785 --> 00:55:49,075

Zo Richardson: yeah.

:

00:55:49,345 --> 00:55:49,635

Yeah.

:

00:55:49,705 --> 00:55:51,185

Katie: both have a similar mullet.

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00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:52,430

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:53,560

his is less mul.

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00:55:53,685 --> 00:55:53,975

Katie: Okay.

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00:55:56,365 --> 00:55:56,655

. Okay.

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00:55:57,805 --> 00:55:58,095

Okay.

:

00:55:58,855 --> 00:55:59,295

hear you.

:

00:55:59,735 --> 00:56:00,175

I hear you.

:

00:56:00,445 --> 00:56:00,735

Okay.

:

00:56:00,925 --> 00:56:01,215

Okay.

:

00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:04,160

Zo Richardson: But that's all I'm saying.

:

00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:05,560

I couldn't wait for you

to ask me that question.

:

00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:07,040

Oh, this is my big chance.

:

00:56:07,230 --> 00:56:07,520

Yeah.

:

00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:08,040

I was prepared,

:

00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:09,440

Katie: and you did come with it.

:

00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:10,520

So thank you for that.

:

00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:15,840

I'm gonna keep trying, I'm telling you

what you guys Also, I need more listeners.

:

00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,680

I have had some listeners reach out

and say that they agree with me.

:

00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:24,670

if there are more of you out there,

please reach out, Facebook, YouTube.

:

00:56:24,850 --> 00:56:27,430

You can email retro

Made podcast@gmail.com.

:

00:56:27,450 --> 00:56:28,350

Please let me know.

:

00:56:28,820 --> 00:56:29,110

Okay.

:

00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,670

Shall we get into the movie?

:

00:56:32,090 --> 00:56:32,630

The thing,

:

00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:35,250

Zo Richardson: let's do it.

:

00:56:40,810 --> 00:56:42,540

th,:

:

00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:48,300

The rating I found this to be,

I've never experienced this.

:

00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,820

Doing the show 16 plus is the rating.

:

00:56:51,730 --> 00:56:52,820

Have you seen that before?

:

00:56:53,140 --> 00:56:53,260

Z

:

00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:55,300

Zo Richardson: What is 16 plus?

:

00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:55,900

What is that from?

:

00:56:56,580 --> 00:57:01,900

Katie: I think it is that they didn't

submit it for a proper M P A A rating,

:

00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:05,150

Zo Richardson: Oh, I've never

:

00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:05,430

heard of

:

00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:05,800

Katie: it's like

:

00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,000

their

:

00:57:06,110 --> 00:57:06,590

Zo Richardson: never seen it.

:

00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,360

Katie: Somebody that knows

better, please let me know.

:

00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,800

But in my like 32nd research, I

was like, what is the 16 plus?

:

00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,280

'cause it's not r it's not PG 13.

:

00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:20,030

yeah, it appears as though it wasn't

submitted for an actual rating.

:

00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:24,510

And so it was like a suggestion

that whoever gives the producers

:

00:57:24,615 --> 00:57:24,855

Zo Richardson: don't know.

:

00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:28,735

That might, maybe that's a, like

a European rating when I Google

:

00:57:28,835 --> 00:57:30,375

it, it'll say that it's rated

:

00:57:30,690 --> 00:57:31,590

Katie: really Okay.

:

00:57:31,735 --> 00:57:32,215

Zo Richardson: just goog.

:

00:57:32,405 --> 00:57:35,615

Yeah, but that's just goog it

not going to the website, just,

:

00:57:35,675 --> 00:57:37,175

that's just what Google has

:

00:57:37,175 --> 00:57:37,335

found,

:

00:57:38,065 --> 00:57:40,605

Katie: The equivalent, it probably

is like the equivalent of an

:

00:57:40,645 --> 00:57:42,045

R, like if it were to be, yeah.

:

00:57:42,105 --> 00:57:42,325

So

:

00:57:42,375 --> 00:57:42,725

Zo Richardson: right.

:

00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,710

Katie: maybe since then it has

gone through the rating system.

:

00:57:46,530 --> 00:57:50,870

but yeah, so our director here, so we

have Kurt Russell in this obviously,

:

00:57:51,370 --> 00:57:53,990

and he has teamed up with his long time.

:

00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:57,510

Like he, you know how there's

like duos, John Carpenter and

:

00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:58,870

Kurt have teamed up a lot.

:

00:57:59,410 --> 00:58:01,990

And so John Carpenter

is the director here.

:

00:58:03,390 --> 00:58:08,310

Apparently this was his first foray

into making like a major studio film.

:

00:58:09,740 --> 00:58:13,520

And I feel bad that it did not

like Bode Wealth, like it didn't

:

00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,950

do well with critics and audiences

at first, since then it has.

:

00:58:17,410 --> 00:58:21,430

But also John Carpenter for you

all, I, everybody knows, but he

:

00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:24,750

is kind of known for a lot of his

horror movies, including Halloween.

:

00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:26,440

They live, Christine.

:

00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:31,400

And then, some of his other collabs

with Kurt, which we already covered

:

00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,360

big trouble in Little China.

:

00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,160

That was one of them.

:

00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:37,640

And we will be covering Escape

from New York and Escape from la.

:

00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:40,515

So those are some of the

other Kurt collabs with John

:

00:58:40,515 --> 00:58:43,660

Carpenter, writer Bill Lancaster.

:

00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,180

He also wrote Bad News Bears.

:

00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,070

And then John W.

:

00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:48,980

Campbell Jr.

:

00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,060

was one of the other writers.

:

00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,500

And he also wrote the

:

:

00:58:57,445 --> 00:59:00,705

Now the cast I found interesting.

:

00:59:00,965 --> 00:59:07,745

We have Kurt Russell as McCready or

Mack Wilfred Brimley with no mustache.

:

00:59:08,165 --> 00:59:08,945

Did you recognize

:

00:59:09,205 --> 00:59:09,425

Zo Richardson: Yes.

:

00:59:09,815 --> 00:59:10,105

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:59:10,965 --> 00:59:11,585

Zo Richardson: No, not really.

:

00:59:11,625 --> 00:59:13,865

I had to look at 'em hard and long.

:

00:59:14,065 --> 00:59:17,105

I was like, that guy must

be Wilfred gr Brimley.

:

00:59:17,105 --> 00:59:18,265

That must, it must be that

:

00:59:18,265 --> 00:59:22,185

guy because he was basically

unrecognizable without his mustache.

:

00:59:22,325 --> 00:59:26,545

And then he's a lot more because he is

younger, he's a lot more, I dunno, active,

:

00:59:26,825 --> 00:59:30,865

I guess, you know, he was, you know,

swinging the ax and pointing a gun.

:

00:59:30,885 --> 00:59:34,915

He was, I didn't picture him moving

as fluidly as I've seen, 'cause

:

00:59:34,915 --> 00:59:37,115

I've only seen him as an older man.

:

00:59:37,395 --> 00:59:41,105

'cause, as I, yeah, 'cause as I've told

you before, this is my first time watching

:

00:59:41,105 --> 00:59:43,025

the film and I was like, Wilford Brimley.

:

00:59:43,025 --> 00:59:44,945

So he's done more than

just those commercials.

:

00:59:46,605 --> 00:59:48,135

Katie: Well, did you see Cocoon?

:

00:59:48,135 --> 00:59:49,655

He was in Cocoon and

:

00:59:49,705 --> 00:59:49,925

Zo Richardson: Yes.

:

00:59:50,045 --> 00:59:50,885

I saw Cocoon.

:

00:59:51,075 --> 00:59:52,765

Katie: only in his forties, I wanna say.

:

00:59:52,795 --> 00:59:54,165

Like he was, he's one of those

:

00:59:54,235 --> 00:59:54,775

Zo Richardson: Oh really?

:

00:59:54,985 --> 00:59:57,325

Katie: he looks older than he.

:

00:59:57,555 --> 00:59:59,445

That was a thing back then, but yeah.

:

00:59:59,785 --> 01:00:02,365

And then our house, did you

ever watch the TV series?

:

01:00:02,505 --> 01:00:04,565

Our House, Shannon Doherty was in it.

:

01:00:04,745 --> 01:00:05,205

He was in

:

01:00:05,315 --> 01:00:06,295

Zo Richardson: no, I didn't see that one.

:

01:00:06,685 --> 01:00:06,975

Okay.

:

01:00:07,065 --> 01:00:08,225

Katie: I don't think it lasted very long.

:

01:00:08,645 --> 01:00:11,865

and then we have Keith, David as Childs.

:

01:00:12,605 --> 01:00:13,345

He was another one.

:

01:00:13,455 --> 01:00:13,745

Okay.

:

01:00:13,820 --> 01:00:14,040

Zo Richardson: Yes.

:

01:00:14,255 --> 01:00:15,065

Katie: This, okay.

:

01:00:15,065 --> 01:00:18,515

This was his, first

credited feature film role.

:

01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,940

. It launched a very prolific career

that's lasted more than 35 years.

:

01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,660

But it took me a long

time to recognize him.

:

01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,660

I'm a young Keith David,

:

01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:31,300

and

:

01:00:31,580 --> 01:00:31,930

Zo Richardson: right.

:

01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:32,730

Because he

:

01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:33,290

is so young.

:

01:00:33,790 --> 01:00:35,250

But what gets you is

:

01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:35,520

Katie: Yes.

:

01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:36,820

Zo Richardson: voice gets you.

:

01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:42,630

Katie: Same to, I'm gonna, this might

be surprising, but be, maybe not.

:

01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:45,360

this was my first viewing of this as well.

:

01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,180

Zo Richardson: Oh, awesome.

:

01:00:47,380 --> 01:00:47,870

Katie: well, 'cause

:

01:00:48,370 --> 01:00:50,310

horror and sci-fi not really my thing.

:

01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:53,350

I do love Kurt, but I was only, I was

an infant when this movie came out and,

:

01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,910

know, I, I live with a bunch of girls

and so I don't know, for whatever reason,

:

01:00:57,910 --> 01:01:01,810

this never made its way around our house.

:

01:01:02,270 --> 01:01:03,980

So this was my first viewing

:

01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,300

Zo Richardson: I'm like you,

I'm not into a lot of horror.

:

01:01:07,420 --> 01:01:08,460

I don't watch a lot of horror.

:

01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,540

if it's if it's good

horror, it's gonna scare me.

:

01:01:11,540 --> 01:01:13,460

Give me the heebie-jeebies, and

I don't want that in my life.

:

01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,370

And if it's bad horror,

then it's just like corny.

:

01:01:16,370 --> 01:01:20,320

It's yeah, it's cheesy and corny and

it's I don't meet, it's like I'm not

:

01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,350

interested in a bunch of cheese and corn.

:

01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:25,940

So the best example of a

really good horror that I had

:

01:01:25,940 --> 01:01:27,580

watched one time was saw too.

:

01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,860

So I saw that it scared the

heebie-jeebies outta me.

:

01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,380

it was, it did exactly

:

01:01:32,380 --> 01:01:34,940

what it's supposed to do,

which it horrified me.

:

01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:35,980

It was absolutely horrifying.

:

01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,900

And so I came out with two conclusions

of the first conclusion is, wow,

:

01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:41,100

that's a really good horror movie.

:

01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,060

And the second one was, well, I don't need

to watch any of these song movies again.

:

01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,580

I'm convinced that it's a good movie.

:

01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:47,940

I don't have to partake

:

01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:50,320

Katie: Yeah, those are a bit,

those are a bit much for me.

:

01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:56,700

I like the classics, like Rosemary's Baby

or like the Omen, like that kind of what's

:

01:01:56,700 --> 01:01:59,900

the Stanley Hotel one with Jack Nicholson,

:

01:02:00,070 --> 01:02:00,930

Zo Richardson: Oh, the Shining

:

01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,320

Katie: I like the classics.

:

01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:07,000

and then also the ones that we watched

as like preteens at slumber parties,

:

01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:11,720

like Freddie Kruger, that kind of

nightmare on Elm Street type stuff.

:

01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,720

Like dumb, silly teen horror.

:

01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:15,240

But yeah, I don't know.

:

01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,040

it's not my super jam.

:

01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:16,480

I'm same.

:

01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,360

I don't wanna have Nightmares.

:

01:02:19,710 --> 01:02:26,290

, which this didn't, I don't know

it, it is called Horror Mystery,

:

01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,930

like it's categorized in horror

mystery and sci-fi, which I think

:

01:02:30,930 --> 01:02:32,810

that tracks like I would say yes.

:

01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:34,410

I wasn't scared though.

:

01:02:34,978 --> 01:02:35,528

Zo Richardson: Right, right.

:

01:02:35,648 --> 01:02:39,168

I think it's because it, there,

there were some pretty good jump

:

01:02:39,168 --> 01:02:41,528

squares there there were

parts of the movie where I was

:

01:02:41,528 --> 01:02:45,098

horrified, but I think it's like,

we're watching it, like when you're

:

01:02:45,178 --> 01:02:48,258

watching an old movie, especially

a whole mo horror movie, you are

:

01:02:48,578 --> 01:02:50,018

somewhat watching it out of context.

:

01:02:50,478 --> 01:02:55,938

So watching it in when it originally

premiere has a way different effect on

:

01:02:55,938 --> 01:03:00,458

us than watching it now, like 20 years

or 30 years later or something like that.

:

01:03:00,948 --> 01:03:04,148

but they, the, I would say that

the special effects are still

:

01:03:04,538 --> 01:03:07,908

more or less effective and I

liked the horror elements of it.

:

01:03:08,458 --> 01:03:10,318

Katie: No, I, that was

actually one of my notes.

:

01:03:10,738 --> 01:03:13,178

I don't know if people are gonna

scream at me or be in agreement

:

01:03:13,178 --> 01:03:14,738

with me, but I liked the effects.

:

01:03:15,628 --> 01:03:17,828

I actually was like, pretty impressed.

:

01:03:17,848 --> 01:03:21,508

And this is:

watching it in 23, 20 23.

:

01:03:21,848 --> 01:03:22,948

I'm like, oh, that's pretty good.

:

01:03:23,018 --> 01:03:25,918

Like it's, it is gory and gross and ugh.

:

01:03:26,148 --> 01:03:27,958

Like I, I thought it was pretty

:

01:03:28,098 --> 01:03:28,388

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:03:28,778 --> 01:03:29,068

Yeah.

:

01:03:29,348 --> 01:03:33,148

:

like we saw in this movie that's when

:

01:03:33,148 --> 01:03:35,948

it basically was at a mature moment.

:

01:03:36,208 --> 01:03:40,638

it was still, it's, it was continuously

getting better, but it had matured so

:

01:03:40,638 --> 01:03:43,718

people know, knew what they were doing

when they wanted to make, you know,

:

01:03:43,748 --> 01:03:46,918

fake things look real, especially when

you're dealing with a monster movie.

:

01:03:47,018 --> 01:03:48,418

if you've got the right budget,

:

01:03:48,448 --> 01:03:51,258

then you can get some very

effective effects at that time.

:

01:03:52,248 --> 01:03:54,188

Katie: I'm jumping all over

the place, but to your point,

:

01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:55,948

it did have it, it's budget.

:

01:03:56,598 --> 01:03:57,548

We'll get back to the cast.

:

01:03:57,568 --> 01:04:01,468

But to your point about budget,

this did have a spectacular

:

01:04:01,528 --> 01:04:02,868

budget for a horror movie.

:

01:04:03,058 --> 01:04:08,388

$15 million, was substantially

larger than, you know, average

:

01:04:08,388 --> 01:04:09,588

horror films of that time.

:

01:04:10,298 --> 01:04:16,828

Just as an example, Friday the 13th,

which was in:

:

01:04:17,693 --> 01:04:18,233

Zo Richardson: Oh wow.

:

01:04:18,443 --> 01:04:22,253

Katie: Halloween, the:

or John Carpenter's original, who

:

01:04:22,363 --> 01:04:27,623

also did the thing, his original

Halloween had a guess, guess what?

:

01:04:27,623 --> 01:04:29,383

Its budget was Halloween.

:

01:04:29,383 --> 01:04:29,943

Like one of the

:

01:04:29,943 --> 01:04:31,383

most famous horror movies ever.

:

01:04:33,083 --> 01:04:34,143

Zo Richardson: if you're gonna have me

:

01:04:34,143 --> 01:04:37,133

guess I'm gonna guess, maybe, 500,000.

:

01:04:37,183 --> 01:04:37,503

Katie: very close.

:

01:04:37,503 --> 01:04:38,263

3 75.

:

01:04:38,873 --> 01:04:39,703

Isn't that nuts?

:

01:04:40,073 --> 01:04:40,363

Zo Richardson: okay.

:

01:04:40,523 --> 01:04:41,103

Katie: That's crazy.

:

01:04:41,403 --> 01:04:47,263

So in comparison, the thing in

:

:

01:04:47,263 --> 01:04:50,183

it only grossed 19.6 worldwide.

:

01:04:50,443 --> 01:04:53,223

So it did make its money back,

but it was not, it's clearly

:

01:04:53,403 --> 01:04:54,703

not what they were hoping for.

:

01:04:56,393 --> 01:05:00,563

Zo Richardson: Well, with, in us in

people in the movie biz, what they

:

01:05:00,563 --> 01:05:04,843

like to say is that if it's not making

twice its production cost and it's

:

01:05:04,843 --> 01:05:07,923

not really making this money back

because they never factor in marketing.

:

01:05:08,243 --> 01:05:08,463

Katie: oh,

:

01:05:08,653 --> 01:05:09,143

it's not,

:

01:05:09,243 --> 01:05:09,603

Zo Richardson: a mil,

:

01:05:09,613 --> 01:05:12,623

Katie: it's not, that's not included

in the, I actually didn't know that.

:

01:05:13,373 --> 01:05:13,723

Zo Richardson: right.

:

01:05:13,863 --> 01:05:16,843

So you have the budget of the

movie is separate from the

:

01:05:16,843 --> 01:05:17,203

marketing.

:

01:05:17,343 --> 01:05:21,573

It usually costs, if, if a movie costs

$15 million to produce, they usually,

:

01:05:22,233 --> 01:05:24,143

Spend $50 million in marketing.

:

01:05:24,523 --> 01:05:28,703

And so the overall cost of movies

somewhere around $30 million.

:

01:05:28,723 --> 01:05:30,343

So if it only made 19 million,

:

01:05:30,813 --> 01:05:31,503

then It didn't

:

01:05:31,503 --> 01:05:32,463

really make its money back

:

01:05:33,323 --> 01:05:36,283

Katie: I, that's actually really

helpful for me to know that the

:

01:05:36,313 --> 01:05:39,163

marketing budget is usually about

the same as the production budget.

:

01:05:40,943 --> 01:05:41,163

Or

:

01:05:41,233 --> 01:05:41,523

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:05:41,593 --> 01:05:41,883

Yeah.

:

01:05:41,883 --> 01:05:43,563

It's usually, that's how most people

:

01:05:43,823 --> 01:05:44,403

factor it.

:

01:05:44,403 --> 01:05:48,513

Like when they're talking about if a

movie is a flop or if they want a movie

:

01:05:48,623 --> 01:05:50,513

like doubling it will have it make its

:

01:05:50,513 --> 01:05:54,353

money back and tripling

it will garner a profit.

:

01:05:54,493 --> 01:05:58,373

So they really want, so like when you

see these like huge movies, like a $200

:

01:05:58,373 --> 01:06:00,353

million movie, like I think the Flash

:

01:06:00,373 --> 01:06:04,033

is somewhere around $200 million

and it only makes 150 million.

:

01:06:04,183 --> 01:06:07,073

Well it, that's a lot of money

to make for any movie to make.

:

01:06:07,073 --> 01:06:07,673

It's a lot of money.

:

01:06:07,933 --> 01:06:10,113

But what you're spending

way too much money for this

:

01:06:10,113 --> 01:06:10,313

movie.

:

01:06:10,313 --> 01:06:13,393

Like you spent $200 million,

probably too much money,

:

01:06:13,833 --> 01:06:14,273

probably too much.

:

01:06:14,653 --> 01:06:19,503

And then there are other Budget,

budgetary things that happen, like

:

01:06:19,643 --> 01:06:22,143

you spend a certain amount of money

in a movie and then somebody gets

:

01:06:22,143 --> 01:06:23,223

hurt, so you have to push back

:

01:06:23,223 --> 01:06:23,703

production.

:

01:06:24,123 --> 01:06:25,533

pushing, well, like pausing.

:

01:06:25,533 --> 01:06:29,373

Production costs the studios

money so that can blow up the

:

01:06:29,373 --> 01:06:32,493

budget or something like

the pandemic, when, when

:

01:06:32,513 --> 01:06:35,213

you had slow productions

that can blow up the budget.

:

01:06:35,313 --> 01:06:38,513

or like when you start to make a

movie and then you have to, maybe

:

01:06:38,513 --> 01:06:41,883

you have to fire the lead actor and

you have to film everything all over

:

01:06:41,883 --> 01:06:44,643

again, that, that could

have a substantial effect

:

01:06:45,023 --> 01:06:45,643

on the budget.

:

01:06:45,863 --> 01:06:46,883

all, all right.

:

01:06:46,883 --> 01:06:49,203

Hollywood accounting is

different from what us regular

:

01:06:49,213 --> 01:06:49,563

folks

:

01:06:49,763 --> 01:06:50,863

Katie: no, the, thank you for that.

:

01:06:50,863 --> 01:06:51,863

That's really good insight.

:

01:06:51,963 --> 01:06:52,253

okay.

:

01:06:53,003 --> 01:06:54,093

Where'd we live off Keith?

:

01:06:54,363 --> 01:06:54,653

Okay.

:

01:06:54,753 --> 01:06:55,853

So rounding out the cast.

:

01:06:56,093 --> 01:06:58,853

I actually, one of the things I

did find kind of hard as my first

:

01:06:58,853 --> 01:07:01,453

viewing is remembering who was who.

:

01:07:01,803 --> 01:07:02,093

Like

:

01:07:02,223 --> 01:07:02,783

Zo Richardson: Yeah, me too.

:

01:07:03,133 --> 01:07:03,423

Same.

:

01:07:03,443 --> 01:07:03,723

Katie: members.

:

01:07:04,463 --> 01:07:04,753

Zo Richardson: Same

:

01:07:04,843 --> 01:07:06,933

Katie: so we have, Glad

that I'm not the only idiot.

:

01:07:06,953 --> 01:07:07,493

No, I'm kidding.

:

01:07:07,753 --> 01:07:08,053

I'm kidding.

:

01:07:08,073 --> 01:07:08,573

You're not.

:

01:07:09,033 --> 01:07:13,563

because, so for big fans of a movie,

I've only seen it once, but so

:

01:07:13,563 --> 01:07:16,563

have I had I seen it like twice, I

would've gotten it probably quicker.

:

01:07:16,703 --> 01:07:22,923

But Richard Masseur played Clark

and he was also in risky business.

:

01:07:22,923 --> 01:07:27,753

And my girl, TK Carter played Nalls.

:

01:07:28,173 --> 01:07:30,073

did you recognize him in anything?

:

01:07:31,518 --> 01:07:33,958

Zo Richardson: I definitely, he

definitely looks familiar to me,

:

01:07:33,958 --> 01:07:36,678

like I've seen him before, but I

don't know where I've seen him at.

:

01:07:36,678 --> 01:07:37,438

Maybe he's a comedian

:

01:07:37,738 --> 01:07:39,318

or I probably saw him on sitcoms.

:

01:07:39,608 --> 01:07:39,958

Right.

:

01:07:40,178 --> 01:07:43,888

But I, I don't, I don't

remember his, where I seen him

:

01:07:43,888 --> 01:07:45,088

from, but I remember his face.

:

01:07:45,373 --> 01:07:48,223

Katie: he's been in a ton of

stuff, including Runaway Train,

:

01:07:48,623 --> 01:07:50,583

Southern Comfort, punky Brewster.

:

01:07:51,483 --> 01:07:56,463

And where I know him most is

he played Milo from the show.

:

01:07:56,533 --> 01:07:59,583

Good Morning, miss Bliss, which

was what Saved by the Bell was

:

01:07:59,683 --> 01:08:01,103

before they called it Saved by the

:

01:08:01,268 --> 01:08:03,928

Zo Richardson: oh, was, was he a kid?

:

01:08:04,108 --> 01:08:05,128

No, he couldn't have been a kid.

:

01:08:05,188 --> 01:08:05,608

was he

:

01:08:05,683 --> 01:08:06,323

Katie: was another teacher.

:

01:08:06,703 --> 01:08:08,083

He was an, yeah, he was a.

:

01:08:09,828 --> 01:08:12,828

Zo Richardson: now, I was asking, was he,

you said he was on pun Punky Brewster.

:

01:08:12,828 --> 01:08:13,388

Was he a regular

:

01:08:14,458 --> 01:08:15,278

Katie: He was an adult.

:

01:08:15,918 --> 01:08:19,058

I don't, I don't remember if he,

'cause I loved Punky Brewster,

:

01:08:19,058 --> 01:08:20,018

but I can't picture him.

:

01:08:20,028 --> 01:08:20,318

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:08:20,718 --> 01:08:24,298

Katie: He was a regular, he was a

regular, he was one of the other,

:

01:08:25,948 --> 01:08:27,868

I don't know, like dude from

the neighborhood or something.

:

01:08:30,827 --> 01:08:31,368

Zo Richardson: He was there.

:

01:08:31,518 --> 01:08:31,808

Yeah.

:

01:08:31,888 --> 01:08:35,627

I, if I recognize him, I would probably

remember him from Punky Brewster.

:

01:08:35,747 --> 01:08:38,627

I mean, that's probably why I remember

him, because I did watch a lot of that.

:

01:08:38,978 --> 01:08:39,268

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:08:39,327 --> 01:08:42,868

And I love how in the movie, so

his role in the movie must have

:

01:08:42,868 --> 01:08:46,408

been, like cook, like the, 'cause

he seemed to, I don't know.

:

01:08:46,457 --> 01:08:46,738

I feel

:

01:08:46,827 --> 01:08:47,118

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:08:47,118 --> 01:08:47,758

It looked like he

:

01:08:47,818 --> 01:08:49,938

Katie: the, his domain

was the kitchen it seemed,

:

01:08:51,413 --> 01:08:53,773

Zo Richardson: I think they were all

researchers, but he specialized in

:

01:08:54,048 --> 01:08:54,408

Katie: they all

:

01:08:54,408 --> 01:08:54,608

had

:

01:08:54,693 --> 01:08:55,173

Zo Richardson: don't think they

:

01:08:56,118 --> 01:08:56,558

Katie: a jam.

:

01:08:56,643 --> 01:08:56,933

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:08:56,933 --> 01:08:57,212

Yeah.

:

01:08:57,212 --> 01:08:58,053

They all had a niche.

:

01:08:58,163 --> 01:09:00,933

Like Kurt Russell was

the, or what's his name?

:

01:09:01,173 --> 01:09:02,573

McGready was the helicopter

:

01:09:02,573 --> 01:09:02,893

pilot.

:

01:09:03,303 --> 01:09:05,613

but that's the only job I

knew that, what's his name?

:

01:09:06,133 --> 01:09:07,372

Somebody there was a doctor there

:

01:09:08,113 --> 01:09:10,792

and, there was a guy that was kind

of like the head of the project,

:

01:09:10,917 --> 01:09:11,207

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:09:11,413 --> 01:09:14,553

Zo Richardson: but I don't know

what their specific jobs were.

:

01:09:15,163 --> 01:09:17,943

except for the helicopter

pilot and the doctor.

:

01:09:18,093 --> 01:09:20,063

Everybody else was just there to

:

01:09:20,063 --> 01:09:20,263

me.

:

01:09:20,353 --> 01:09:20,702

Right.

:

01:09:20,883 --> 01:09:21,323

Katie: were a few.

:

01:09:21,823 --> 01:09:25,483

So yeah, so McCready like Kurt,

we'll call him Mac McCready and

:

01:09:25,483 --> 01:09:26,803

Kurt all one in the same ounce.

:

01:09:27,063 --> 01:09:30,393

He was the helicopter pilot and

kind of seemed to sort of not

:

01:09:30,393 --> 01:09:31,872

be the boss, but he takes over.

:

01:09:32,743 --> 01:09:34,353

Wilfred Brimley is, Dr.

:

01:09:34,752 --> 01:09:34,952

Blair,

:

01:09:36,082 --> 01:09:36,372

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:09:36,372 --> 01:09:36,893

He was a

:

01:09:37,063 --> 01:09:40,542

Katie: another doctor though that they

keep calling Doc, we'll get to him.

:

01:09:40,542 --> 01:09:44,063

But Keith, David Childs, I'm

not sure what his specialty was.

:

01:09:44,993 --> 01:09:49,372

but Clark seemed to be the dog

handler guy, like he seemed to

:

01:09:49,473 --> 01:09:49,763

that.

:

01:09:50,343 --> 01:09:53,962

And then Nalls, he was where

I was going with the kitchen.

:

01:09:54,183 --> 01:09:56,563

He was on roller skates when we meet him.

:

01:09:56,633 --> 01:09:56,923

Like

:

01:09:56,933 --> 01:09:57,473

Zo Richardson: All the time.

:

01:09:57,603 --> 01:10:01,763

Katie: like on roller

skates, which is so:

:

01:10:01,963 --> 01:10:02,443

I love it.

:

01:10:02,823 --> 01:10:03,393

Zo Richardson: Yeah, it is.

:

01:10:03,583 --> 01:10:03,873

Yeah.

:

01:10:03,943 --> 01:10:04,233

Yeah.

:

01:10:04,233 --> 01:10:04,353

It.

:

01:10:05,033 --> 01:10:07,613

Katie: Palmer is played by David Lenon.

:

01:10:07,813 --> 01:10:12,452

I don't know what Palmer's specialty

is, but he is in a lot of other things.

:

01:10:13,113 --> 01:10:17,452

If anybody had watched the show, 30

something, he played Miles in that.

:

01:10:17,993 --> 01:10:21,493

He was also in the movie

Gone Girl and then Dr.

:

01:10:21,593 --> 01:10:22,013

Copper.

:

01:10:22,193 --> 01:10:25,413

So yeah, there's, I always, I did get

confused when they said Doc, 'cause

:

01:10:25,413 --> 01:10:28,533

I'm like, I thought B Brimley was

Doc, but then they called him Blair.

:

01:10:29,913 --> 01:10:30,553

I was confused.

:

01:10:30,553 --> 01:10:31,993

But apparently they're both doctors.

:

01:10:33,428 --> 01:10:36,358

Zo Richardson: yeah, not, well, Blair

is specifically a medical doctor.

:

01:10:36,738 --> 01:10:38,748

The other doctor is probably, some kind of

:

01:10:39,028 --> 01:10:39,228

scientist

:

01:10:39,343 --> 01:10:39,563

Katie: Ah,

:

01:10:39,738 --> 01:10:41,478

Zo Richardson: that he has

a doctorate in something.

:

01:10:41,858 --> 01:10:44,438

But you know, I don't know what,

and it didn't seem like he was

:

01:10:44,438 --> 01:10:47,678

doing the medical stuff, or at

least he wasn't doing it well.

:

01:10:47,723 --> 01:10:47,943

Katie: Yes.

:

01:10:48,523 --> 01:10:52,373

So he, let's see, Richard DeHart plays Dr.

:

01:10:52,373 --> 01:10:52,733

Copper.

:

01:10:53,113 --> 01:10:56,853

He actually won an Emmy for

his supporting role in LA Law.

:

01:10:58,468 --> 01:10:58,758

Zo Richardson: Okay.

:

01:10:59,098 --> 01:11:00,118

That's probably where I

:

01:11:00,438 --> 01:11:01,998

remember him from because I saw

:

01:11:02,223 --> 01:11:02,563

Katie: Did he

:

01:11:02,668 --> 01:11:06,278

Zo Richardson: It's funny, right, because

he looked familiar, but I couldn't,

:

01:11:06,398 --> 01:11:07,638

I didn't know where I knew him from.

:

01:11:07,898 --> 01:11:10,238

And I'm, it must be LA Law

'cause I watched a lot of

:

01:11:10,338 --> 01:11:10,758

LA law.

:

01:11:10,933 --> 01:11:14,873

Katie: Yeah, he won an Emmy for his

supporting role in that, Vance Norris.

:

01:11:15,073 --> 01:11:16,393

I didn't know his name was Vance.

:

01:11:16,493 --> 01:11:19,393

We, in the movie, they just

refer to him as Norris.

:

01:11:20,063 --> 01:11:26,753

He's played by Charles Hallahan

and he, what is so funny is

:

01:11:28,243 --> 01:11:31,103

it, I didn't recognize, 'cause

he's ev this is 40 years ago.

:

01:11:31,803 --> 01:11:32,153

Zo Richardson: Right.

:

01:11:32,448 --> 01:11:37,948

Katie: you, he is familiar and he played

Bill in the TV show Grace Under Fire.

:

01:11:38,288 --> 01:11:39,348

Did you ever see that show?

:

01:11:40,603 --> 01:11:41,702

Zo Richardson: No, I

never watched that one.

:

01:11:41,838 --> 01:11:42,158

Katie: I did.

:

01:11:42,478 --> 01:11:42,758

I did.

:

01:11:42,758 --> 01:11:43,758

And I recognized him.

:

01:11:43,838 --> 01:11:44,798

I knew, I was like, oh yeah.

:

01:11:44,868 --> 01:11:45,158

Okay.

:

01:11:45,568 --> 01:11:51,478

let's see, there was another show,

oh, also, the TV series, hunter, he

:

01:11:51,478 --> 01:11:55,028

played Captain Charles Deva on that.

:

01:11:55,283 --> 01:11:55,573

Zo Richardson: Okay.

:

01:11:55,613 --> 01:11:56,452

I did watch Hunter,

:

01:11:56,758 --> 01:11:57,138

Katie: he was

:

01:11:57,313 --> 01:11:58,413

Zo Richardson: but I don't remember him

:

01:11:58,818 --> 01:12:01,778

Katie: It's, there were a lot of

people hard, hard to recognize because

:

01:12:01,918 --> 01:12:03,218

I'm not used to seeing them young.

:

01:12:04,673 --> 01:12:05,023

Zo Richardson: Right.

:

01:12:05,378 --> 01:12:05,668

Yeah.

:

01:12:05,688 --> 01:12:09,948

As a matter of fact, I was just looking at

Richard Diehard, and it's an older picture

:

01:12:09,948 --> 01:12:12,508

of him, so I now I

recognize him from LA Law.

:

01:12:12,728 --> 01:12:14,128

He was the head of the law firm,

:

01:12:15,823 --> 01:12:16,113

Katie: yeah.

:

01:12:16,173 --> 01:12:16,913

Oh, okay.

:

01:12:17,213 --> 01:12:18,033

That's, yep.

:

01:12:18,702 --> 01:12:18,993

Okay.

:

01:12:19,353 --> 01:12:23,193

I know the pictures on I M D B are

like older, like they're, yeah.

:

01:12:23,893 --> 01:12:24,473

who do we have?

:

01:12:24,883 --> 01:12:30,113

Peter Maloney plays Bennings

and he was in a ton of stuff,

:

01:12:30,413 --> 01:12:31,483

but I didn't recognize him.

:

01:12:31,593 --> 01:12:35,123

He's in like Summer of Sam

Requiem for a dream and private

:

01:12:35,173 --> 01:12:36,933

parts that, oh, what's the guy?

:

01:12:36,933 --> 01:12:37,893

The radio host guy?

:

01:12:37,923 --> 01:12:39,452

That movie that he did in 97

:

01:12:39,668 --> 01:12:39,888

Zo Richardson: Oh,

:

01:12:39,938 --> 01:12:40,528

Katie: Shock Jock.

:

01:12:40,598 --> 01:12:40,888

Yeah.

:

01:12:41,218 --> 01:12:41,698

Zo Richardson: that's good.

:

01:12:41,818 --> 01:12:42,218

I was just

:

01:12:42,218 --> 01:12:42,498

talking

:

01:12:42,702 --> 01:12:43,723

Katie: is, oh my God.

:

01:12:43,963 --> 01:12:44,603

I actually like

:

01:12:44,668 --> 01:12:47,077

they, I like them because

they're big into like animal

:

01:12:47,077 --> 01:12:48,518

rescue, Nordstrom Animal League.

:

01:12:49,068 --> 01:12:49,848

Howard Stern.

:

01:12:49,848 --> 01:12:50,128

Howard

:

01:12:50,128 --> 01:12:50,448

Stern.

:

01:12:50,448 --> 01:12:51,048

Howard Stern.

:

01:12:51,118 --> 01:12:51,708

Zo Richardson: There we go.

:

01:12:51,708 --> 01:12:52,148

Thank you.

:

01:12:52,598 --> 01:12:53,718

'cause that was gonna bug me for the rest

:

01:12:53,858 --> 01:12:54,138

Katie: I know.

:

01:12:54,298 --> 01:12:55,577

I, my brain works the same way.

:

01:12:56,238 --> 01:12:59,077

then rounding out, they cast,

Gary, who's like the cat.

:

01:12:59,158 --> 01:13:00,998

They refer to him as the captain.

:

01:13:01,068 --> 01:13:03,558

Like he's supposed to be

the guy in charge, I think.

:

01:13:04,258 --> 01:13:08,238

And he's played by Donald Moffitt,

who, is very familiar face.

:

01:13:08,948 --> 01:13:13,958

He's known for playing L B J in the

Right stuff and also a president

:

01:13:14,138 --> 01:13:15,998

in clear and present danger.

:

01:13:16,418 --> 01:13:18,858

So he plays presidents well, apparently.

:

01:13:19,008 --> 01:13:21,368

Zo Richardson: I feel like

he's been in a few sitcoms.

:

01:13:21,528 --> 01:13:23,648

'cause his, this is another

guy whose face is very

:

01:13:23,908 --> 01:13:24,198

Katie: very

:

01:13:24,398 --> 01:13:24,518

familiar.

:

01:13:24,568 --> 01:13:25,528

Zo Richardson: I can't tell you where I

:

01:13:25,528 --> 01:13:25,888

seen him.

:

01:13:26,488 --> 01:13:29,478

Katie: Those are the ones that I had

heard of or I thought people would most

:

01:13:29,478 --> 01:13:32,918

connect with the music got shot on.

:

01:13:33,108 --> 01:13:33,398

Okay.

:

01:13:34,258 --> 01:13:38,888

The score is done by Enio Morone, I

hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.

:

01:13:40,108 --> 01:13:42,158

He, okay.

:

01:13:42,418 --> 01:13:46,558

He also composed on Once Upon A

Time in America, the Untouchables

:

01:13:46,888 --> 01:13:51,188

Bugsy, and received several Oscar

nominations for those scores.

:

01:13:51,288 --> 01:13:53,388

So he's like well known

for being really good.

:

01:13:53,618 --> 01:13:59,088

However, he got a Razz nom for this

movie, the score in this movie.

:

01:13:59,118 --> 01:14:00,168

What do you think about that?

:

01:14:00,982 --> 01:14:03,582

Zo Richardson: I mean, I didn't really

pay that much attention to the music.

:

01:14:04,162 --> 01:14:06,102

It was, I mean, good for what it was.

:

01:14:06,262 --> 01:14:08,542

I mean, I didn't really

give it much thought.

:

01:14:09,172 --> 01:14:13,412

Katie: I specifically was looking for it

because I knew that he was well known.

:

01:14:14,192 --> 01:14:18,572

and, but that this score got a rousy,

and so I was trying to like, I'm

:

01:14:18,982 --> 01:14:22,182

like, okay, let me see if that's,

you know, that's warranted or not.

:

01:14:24,022 --> 01:14:28,102

I don't, I, it did feel like, I

did feel like the music hit you

:

01:14:28,102 --> 01:14:31,702

over the head with it, but I feel

like in this type of a movie, I.

:

01:14:32,537 --> 01:14:34,557

It like it told us how to feel like it.

:

01:14:34,557 --> 01:14:36,397

Oh, we, you know, but I liked it.

:

01:14:36,517 --> 01:14:40,637

I actually thought it was good

music and I liked the cues.

:

01:14:41,037 --> 01:14:42,997

I actually really thought it was good.

:

01:14:43,217 --> 01:14:45,157

So I don't know what this razzi is about.

:

01:14:46,232 --> 01:14:46,522

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:14:46,562 --> 01:14:47,122

I don't know either.

:

01:14:47,722 --> 01:14:51,162

I mean, it's just there to,

it's it's not super iconic.

:

01:14:51,472 --> 01:14:52,002

It's not like

:

01:14:52,002 --> 01:14:53,162

something that you're gonna hum along

:

01:14:53,162 --> 01:14:54,242

when you're in the shower or something.

:

01:14:54,432 --> 01:14:56,602

It's not like you're gonna hear

a song from this soundtrack

:

01:14:56,822 --> 01:14:57,882

and think of this movie.

:

01:14:58,142 --> 01:15:02,162

You probably won't think anything

of it at all, you know, or whatever.

:

01:15:02,782 --> 01:15:05,472

but I don't think it's, I don't

know if I would give it a razzy or

:

01:15:05,472 --> 01:15:08,872

maybe it was just, that was just

the worst of that particular year.

:

01:15:09,067 --> 01:15:10,267

Katie: they're, so don't even get

:

01:15:10,292 --> 01:15:10,872

Zo Richardson: you didn't,

:

01:15:10,947 --> 01:15:11,347

Katie: Razzies.

:

01:15:12,162 --> 01:15:12,512

Zo Richardson: right.

:

01:15:12,512 --> 01:15:16,112

Because if you think about it, that

like the movies you named like ET came

:

01:15:16,112 --> 01:15:17,662

out that year, what was the other one?

:

01:15:17,722 --> 01:15:19,282

The, star Trek, the WR of

:

01:15:19,282 --> 01:15:19,562

Colin.

:

01:15:19,742 --> 01:15:20,762

If you listen to that

:

01:15:20,762 --> 01:15:24,802

soundtrack, that is, that's a blood

pumping soundtrack or that one.

:

01:15:25,062 --> 01:15:26,882

and then ET obviously is iconic.

:

01:15:27,382 --> 01:15:28,802

So when you compare like this

:

01:15:28,802 --> 01:15:32,602

soundtrack to some of the

other movies, then that's, I

:

01:15:32,602 --> 01:15:33,722

think that's what they're going

:

01:15:33,727 --> 01:15:38,917

Katie: Maybe, I guess I, it was

very typical, horror, like ominous.

:

01:15:39,637 --> 01:15:40,037

I don't know.

:

01:15:40,037 --> 01:15:44,207

I don't know if maybe they thought

it was a bit much, but I liked it.

:

01:15:44,247 --> 01:15:44,727

I liked it.

:

01:15:45,007 --> 01:15:45,447

I don't know.

:

01:15:46,057 --> 01:15:47,007

Zo Richardson: Right, right, right.

:

01:15:47,447 --> 01:15:47,737

Katie: Okay.

:

01:15:48,237 --> 01:15:52,617

So if any listeners, I actually listen

to a fair amount of podcasts that

:

01:15:52,617 --> 01:15:53,977

cover movies that I haven't seen.

:

01:15:54,497 --> 01:15:54,617

I.

:

01:15:55,322 --> 01:15:57,942

But it kind of sometimes helps

me determine whether or not I

:

01:15:57,942 --> 01:15:59,782

will watch the movie or not.

:

01:15:59,922 --> 01:16:05,782

So if you are one of those listeners that

has not seen the thing, or if you haven't

:

01:16:05,782 --> 01:16:09,952

seen it in, I don't know, 40 years, the

description, if you need this refresher.

:

01:16:09,952 --> 01:16:14,312

Members of an American scientific

research outpost in Antarctica

:

01:16:14,582 --> 01:16:18,312

find themselves battling a

parasitic alien organism capable

:

01:16:18,452 --> 01:16:20,312

of perfectly imitating its victims.

:

01:16:21,102 --> 01:16:24,352

They soon discover that this task

will be harder than they thought.

:

01:16:24,492 --> 01:16:27,672

As they don't know, which members

of the team have already been

:

01:16:27,672 --> 01:16:31,192

assimilated and their paranoia

threatens to tear them apart.

:

01:16:32,962 --> 01:16:34,062

So what did you think?

:

01:16:34,172 --> 01:16:34,662

Overall?

:

01:16:34,662 --> 01:16:35,142

Thoughts?

:

01:16:36,807 --> 01:16:39,347

Zo Richardson: Well, my overall

thought was that it was starting

:

01:16:39,617 --> 01:16:41,467

like a lot slower than I

:

01:16:41,467 --> 01:16:42,067

anticipated.

:

01:16:42,277 --> 01:16:42,627

Right.

:

01:16:42,847 --> 01:16:45,677

So I thought that it was going to,

It's gonna start off I don't know.

:

01:16:45,677 --> 01:16:46,957

I don't know what I was expecting.

:

01:16:47,077 --> 01:16:48,757

I think I expected it to move

:

01:16:48,757 --> 01:16:50,237

faster in the beginning.

:

01:16:50,977 --> 01:16:52,717

So that, that was surprising.

:

01:16:52,717 --> 01:16:55,237

And then the other thing was

that they introduced so many

:

01:16:55,237 --> 01:16:56,157

characters at the same time.

:

01:16:56,177 --> 01:16:57,837

You don't really get to

sit with them and know 'em.

:

01:16:57,837 --> 01:16:59,197

So like you, I got confused at who,

:

01:16:59,537 --> 01:17:01,237

at as to who was who.

:

01:17:01,657 --> 01:17:05,277

And then sometimes like when you see

somebody who's familiar to you, but you

:

01:17:05,277 --> 01:17:09,957

can't picture, you can't place them right

away, that can also be a distraction.

:

01:17:10,177 --> 01:17:12,957

So with some of the people that

we talked about that, that I've

:

01:17:12,957 --> 01:17:16,197

seen before, like the, the person

who played, now what's his name?

:

01:17:16,287 --> 01:17:16,987

the one that, the

:

01:17:17,267 --> 01:17:18,187

comedian that we talked about.

:

01:17:18,912 --> 01:17:19,262

Katie: Nalls.

:

01:17:19,337 --> 01:17:19,627

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:17:19,797 --> 01:17:20,147

Nalls.

:

01:17:20,407 --> 01:17:24,047

So that was a problem for me because it's

like I knew him, but I didn't know from

:

01:17:24,047 --> 01:17:24,247

where.

:

01:17:24,467 --> 01:17:27,647

So that was just, that was distracting

me from paying attention to the story.

:

01:17:28,217 --> 01:17:29,097

but that's a me problem.

:

01:17:29,097 --> 01:17:30,097

That's not the movie problem.

:

01:17:30,552 --> 01:17:31,432

Katie: I know what you mean though.

:

01:17:31,541 --> 01:17:35,152

Zo Richardson: so it started off slow,

but it started I guess the middle of the

:

01:17:35,372 --> 01:17:37,512

second act all the way to the third act.

:

01:17:37,612 --> 01:17:41,352

That's when it really started to pick up,

and I, it got invested in the story, but

:

01:17:41,402 --> 01:17:45,752

it took a while also, the shooting, the,

them trying to shoot the dog that was

:

01:17:45,752 --> 01:17:48,312

also that was a little bit offputting.

:

01:17:49,022 --> 01:17:50,472

It's like, why are they

trying to shoot this dog?

:

01:17:50,472 --> 01:17:51,392

Like, that's how the movie

:

01:17:51,482 --> 01:17:52,992

Opens with them trying to shoot the dog

:

01:17:53,177 --> 01:17:53,697

Katie: am pissed.

:

01:17:53,712 --> 01:17:55,192

Zo Richardson: then, right.

:

01:17:55,242 --> 01:17:58,932

and and also what's distracting is

that there's, there are two shots.

:

01:17:58,932 --> 01:18:00,772

There are shots where

it's like a wide shot.

:

01:18:00,772 --> 01:18:03,492

You see the guy leaning out of a

helicopter with a rifle, but then

:

01:18:03,492 --> 01:18:07,012

when they do a point of view shot,

it looks like he's using a shotgun.

:

01:18:07,592 --> 01:18:08,452

I'm like, so what is it?

:

01:18:08,452 --> 01:18:08,652

Is

:

01:18:08,652 --> 01:18:10,572

he using a shotgun or is he using

:

01:18:10,892 --> 01:18:11,291

a rifle?

:

01:18:11,682 --> 01:18:12,692

It's like these two guns.

:

01:18:13,602 --> 01:18:15,332

Yeah, these two guns don't look the same.

:

01:18:15,807 --> 01:18:19,177

Katie: Fun fact, that guy is actually

Kurt Russell's, I forget his name,

:

01:18:19,177 --> 01:18:21,887

but it's Kurt Russell's, either

father-in-law or brother-in-law.

:

01:18:22,527 --> 01:18:22,647

I.

:

01:18:22,902 --> 01:18:23,122

No

:

01:18:23,122 --> 01:18:23,762

brother-in-law.

:

01:18:23,762 --> 01:18:25,282

Brother-in-law, not father-in-law.

:

01:18:25,522 --> 01:18:25,812

Zo Richardson: Okay.

:

01:18:25,922 --> 01:18:26,602

Katie: his brother-in-law.

:

01:18:26,752 --> 01:18:27,041

Yeah.

:

01:18:27,662 --> 01:18:31,422

I, the opening scene, as you

mentioned, I said out loud, I'm

:

01:18:31,502 --> 01:18:32,662

watching with my dogs, by the way.

:

01:18:33,842 --> 01:18:37,942

And I, my brain goes in so many ways.

:

01:18:38,012 --> 01:18:41,972

I don't know which point I wanna start

with first, but I'll start with, I said

:

01:18:41,992 --> 01:18:43,572

out loud, I'm like, screaming at the tv.

:

01:18:43,572 --> 01:18:44,732

Whatcha doing?

:

01:18:45,192 --> 01:18:46,852

Why are you shooting at this dog?

:

01:18:47,152 --> 01:18:49,132

I'm like, oh, this is gonna piss me off.

:

01:18:49,132 --> 01:18:51,132

Like immediately I'm like,

this movie's gonna piss me off.

:

01:18:51,352 --> 01:18:54,212

But obviously there's a reason

why they're shooting at this dog.

:

01:18:55,662 --> 01:18:56,012

Zo Richardson: Right.

:

01:18:56,012 --> 01:18:56,252

Right.

:

01:18:56,252 --> 01:18:58,291

And it's it's not just, it's

not like a mus like they're

:

01:18:58,291 --> 01:18:59,492

in the middle of Antarctica.

:

01:18:59,672 --> 01:19:02,952

it's a husky, just seemingly the

running on the ground is being chased

:

01:19:03,092 --> 01:19:06,712

by a helicopter, and they're shooting

at Husky is like my favorite breed of

:

01:19:06,712 --> 01:19:06,872

do.

:

01:19:07,072 --> 01:19:10,352

'cause I never had a Husky,

but I enjoy watching clips of

:

01:19:10,352 --> 01:19:14,222

Huffs, Huskies on YouTube or

whatever Huskies are beautiful

:

01:19:14,252 --> 01:19:14,541

dogs.

:

01:19:14,722 --> 01:19:20,412

And so he's sh he's shooting at this

Husky is I'm like, oh no, not the Husky

:

01:19:20,932 --> 01:19:21,252

Katie: I know.

:

01:19:21,632 --> 01:19:23,912

Zo Richardson: I'm just saying that he's

so invested in shooting at this dog that

:

01:19:24,332 --> 01:19:28,062

he gets on the ground and he shoots the

people that the Huskies, surrounded by.

:

01:19:28,362 --> 01:19:28,822

So Yeah,

:

01:19:29,122 --> 01:19:30,782

really into shooting this dog.

:

01:19:30,862 --> 01:19:34,672

Katie: 'cause the team members, like

the dog finally gets to like the camp.

:

01:19:35,352 --> 01:19:37,932

'cause aside from that,

it's just like a open snow.

:

01:19:39,062 --> 01:19:42,252

Husky gets to the camp and they're

like, what the, what is going on?

:

01:19:42,592 --> 01:19:46,172

And I also couldn't tell, 'cause they

continually are shooting at this dog.

:

01:19:46,672 --> 01:19:51,372

And so since I know it's a whore, I'm

like, are they hitting him and he's

:

01:19:51,562 --> 01:19:53,212

unfazed by it or are they missing?

:

01:19:53,932 --> 01:19:57,452

I wasn't sure which was true, but

they continually shoot at this dog.

:

01:19:58,987 --> 01:20:00,997

Zo Richardson: Yeah, it definitely

felt like to me like they were missing

:

01:20:01,387 --> 01:20:04,757

It's just like they were really well for

one thing, shooting from a helicopter,

:

01:20:04,777 --> 01:20:06,397

the helicopter moving, the dog is moving,

:

01:20:06,657 --> 01:20:08,797

so this is gonna be a very difficult shot.

:

01:20:09,057 --> 01:20:10,837

And they're not like professionals.

:

01:20:10,837 --> 01:20:12,997

they're scientists on a

different research station.

:

01:20:13,187 --> 01:20:18,557

They happen to have firearms and why they

would have a, like a high powered rifle

:

01:20:18,777 --> 01:20:22,916

in Antarctica where there are no predators

that will require that type of gun.

:

01:20:23,357 --> 01:20:23,797

I don't know.

:

01:20:24,087 --> 01:20:26,347

but he apparently was not good at

:

01:20:26,627 --> 01:20:28,867

shooting, the dog or anything at that

:

01:20:29,002 --> 01:20:29,291

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:20:29,367 --> 01:20:31,727

Zo Richardson: he was aiming for the

dog and he shot somebody in a leg.

:

01:20:31,867 --> 01:20:32,887

So he's not good.

:

01:20:33,077 --> 01:20:34,127

He's not good with the

:

01:20:34,182 --> 01:20:34,402

Katie: no.

:

01:20:34,432 --> 01:20:38,122

Well 'cause they're, nor as we find

out they are Norwegian researchers

:

01:20:39,747 --> 01:20:40,037

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:20:40,302 --> 01:20:41,622

Katie: another outpost somewhere else.

:

01:20:41,962 --> 01:20:44,562

The other thing I was just

gonna note about, I, I assume

:

01:20:44,562 --> 01:20:45,802

people feel the same way.

:

01:20:46,272 --> 01:20:47,162

Tell me what you think.

:

01:20:47,802 --> 01:20:50,842

Whenever I see a dog in a movie,

like opening, like an opening

:

01:20:50,892 --> 01:20:53,682

scene where there's a dog, any

type of movie, and there's a dog,

:

01:20:53,702 --> 01:20:55,202

I'm like, uhoh, I don't like this.

:

01:20:55,312 --> 01:20:56,282

That dog's gonna die.

:

01:20:57,062 --> 01:20:58,982

Or something is happening to the dog.

:

01:20:59,422 --> 01:21:02,342

'cause otherwise there's no reason

for us to be, oh, is this happy scene

:

01:21:02,342 --> 01:21:03,541

with this family and there's a dog.

:

01:21:03,642 --> 01:21:05,041

I'm like, Do you feel that way?

:

01:21:05,137 --> 01:21:07,317

Zo Richardson: No, I

don't, no, I don't always.

:

01:21:07,557 --> 01:21:11,247

'cause it's like, it could be,

the dog is like part of the cast,

:

01:21:11,827 --> 01:21:13,327

so I don't always feel that way.

:

01:21:13,377 --> 01:21:13,497

I

:

01:21:13,497 --> 01:21:14,297

don't get a sense of horror.

:

01:21:14,387 --> 01:21:15,627

maybe if it's a horror movie,

:

01:21:15,857 --> 01:21:18,107

then yeah, it might be something

happening with the dog.

:

01:21:18,192 --> 01:21:19,352

Katie: a thriller or something.

:

01:21:19,742 --> 01:21:20,032

Yeah.

:

01:21:20,212 --> 01:21:21,672

But I'm always like, I don't know.

:

01:21:21,672 --> 01:21:22,112

I don't like

:

01:21:22,207 --> 01:21:22,497

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:21:22,497 --> 01:21:25,937

They, in a thriller, the dog is,

tends to be used as some kind of

:

01:21:26,207 --> 01:21:27,017

checkoffs gun.

:

01:21:27,357 --> 01:21:30,777

So you see the dog in the first

stack in the second, and by the

:

01:21:30,777 --> 01:21:34,577

end of the movie, the dog solves

the murder or has a key piece of

:

01:21:34,737 --> 01:21:35,697

evidence or something like that.

:

01:21:36,117 --> 01:21:39,977

But I never really have a

foreboding feeling about the, a

:

01:21:39,997 --> 01:21:41,497

dog at first when they first show

:

01:21:41,572 --> 01:21:42,452

Katie: I always do.

:

01:21:42,672 --> 01:21:42,892

Ugh.

:

01:21:43,272 --> 01:21:44,392

And even like comedy.

:

01:21:44,422 --> 01:21:45,552

Even a comedy Turner.

:

01:21:45,552 --> 01:21:46,712

And Hooch one of my favorites.

:

01:21:46,952 --> 01:21:49,732

'cause I love, a dog de Bordeaux,

the type of dog that's in that movie,

:

01:21:50,137 --> 01:21:50,807

Zo Richardson: Right, right,

:

01:21:50,952 --> 01:21:51,652

Katie: dog dies.

:

01:21:51,832 --> 01:21:53,132

I'm like, Aw, I hate it.

:

01:21:53,212 --> 01:21:53,612

I hate it.

:

01:21:53,652 --> 01:21:53,932

I hate

:

01:21:53,957 --> 01:21:54,517

Zo Richardson: Oh, yeah.

:

01:21:54,517 --> 01:21:55,157

They might do

:

01:21:55,157 --> 01:21:55,717

something like that.

:

01:21:55,767 --> 01:21:57,487

the dog may die by the end of the movie

:

01:21:57,972 --> 01:21:58,192

Katie: Ah,

:

01:22:02,797 --> 01:22:03,087

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:22:03,087 --> 01:22:04,127

That, that might happen.

:

01:22:04,467 --> 01:22:07,807

they get the dog pulls your heart

strings and then it gets cancer

:

01:22:08,307 --> 01:22:09,317

and they have to, you know,

:

01:22:09,637 --> 01:22:10,357

euthanize the dog,

:

01:22:10,412 --> 01:22:11,791

Katie: I'm like, I don't

want any part of this movie.

:

01:22:11,852 --> 01:22:15,072

If there's a dog in it, . 'cause

I know it's about to happen.

:

01:22:15,612 --> 01:22:18,272

Now, speaking of this dog,

let's see if I can find it.

:

01:22:18,272 --> 01:22:19,952

There is some trivia about that dog.

:

01:22:20,132 --> 01:22:21,192

his name was Jed.

:

01:22:22,142 --> 01:22:24,082

The, yeah, his name is Jed.

:

01:22:25,387 --> 01:22:29,207

He is actually half wolf, half malamute.

:

01:22:29,347 --> 01:22:30,847

That's what kind of dog the dog is.

:

01:22:30,847 --> 01:22:32,287

Which Malamutes are very similar.

:

01:22:32,287 --> 01:22:34,687

Looking to Huskies sometimes it's

hard to tell the difference, but this

:

01:22:34,687 --> 01:22:35,607

one is actually half wolf.

:

01:22:35,827 --> 01:22:38,727

So actually, at first when they're

shooting, I actually wasn't sure.

:

01:22:38,747 --> 01:22:40,967

I'm like, is it maybe a

wolf they're trying to kill?

:

01:22:41,087 --> 01:22:41,447

I don't know.

:

01:22:41,447 --> 01:22:43,607

But there's no Wolf's

Antarctica, so nevermind.

:

01:22:43,857 --> 01:22:44,207

Right.

:

01:22:44,207 --> 01:22:45,087

There's no wolves in

:

01:22:45,327 --> 01:22:46,037

Zo Richardson: Right, right.

:

01:22:46,507 --> 01:22:49,577

It's, pretty much only

penguins and I can't think of

:

01:22:49,817 --> 01:22:51,057

anything else as an Antarctica

:

01:22:51,057 --> 01:22:52,377

besides penguins.

:

01:22:53,487 --> 01:22:53,777

Katie: Okay.

:

01:22:54,197 --> 01:22:55,617

So anyway, that's who Jed is.

:

01:22:55,666 --> 01:22:56,307

that's the dog.

:

01:22:56,487 --> 01:23:00,097

And actually, he's the, that chase

scene, the dog in the rest of the

:

01:23:00,097 --> 01:23:04,817

film is Jed, but the dog shown

in the chase scene is not Jed.

:

01:23:05,367 --> 01:23:08,977

It's a different dog that

they painted to look like Jed.

:

01:23:12,607 --> 01:23:13,047

I don't know.

:

01:23:13,347 --> 01:23:14,527

I'm not sure why, but yeah.

:

01:23:15,313 --> 01:23:15,553

Zo Richardson: I guess.

:

01:23:15,693 --> 01:23:16,913

He couldn't run like that.

:

01:23:17,373 --> 01:23:19,273

Jed couldn't run like this dog.

:

01:23:19,553 --> 01:23:21,943

Katie: maybe, but everybody

was saying like that he was

:

01:23:21,943 --> 01:23:23,423

such a good like dog actor.

:

01:23:24,063 --> 01:23:24,423

I don't know.

:

01:23:24,583 --> 01:23:24,903

I dunno.

:

01:23:24,923 --> 01:23:29,263

As far as dog actors go, do you have

any specific scenes that really stood

:

01:23:29,263 --> 01:23:31,423

out to you or that were your favorites?

:

01:23:33,083 --> 01:23:35,743

Zo Richardson: we already went over one

of 'em, which is them chasing the dog and

:

01:23:35,743 --> 01:23:36,423

trying to shoot it.

:

01:23:37,123 --> 01:23:39,663

and then I noted Wilford

Brinley without the mustache,

:

01:23:39,663 --> 01:23:40,303

so that was a

:

01:23:40,368 --> 01:23:40,827

Katie: Oh my God.

:

01:23:40,878 --> 01:23:41,468

We're the same.

:

01:23:43,202 --> 01:23:45,373

Zo Richardson: oh, also, Kurt is calling.

:

01:23:45,603 --> 01:23:47,853

He's, he says, we gotta

talk to the Swedes.

:

01:23:47,853 --> 01:23:49,173

He's no, they're Norwegian.

:

01:23:49,353 --> 01:23:49,573

So

:

01:23:49,633 --> 01:23:49,853

it.

:

01:23:49,853 --> 01:23:51,263

was that was pretty funny, right?

:

01:23:51,263 --> 01:23:53,043

He kept doing it until near the end.

:

01:23:53,263 --> 01:23:53,723

He got

:

01:23:53,723 --> 01:23:54,043

it right.

:

01:23:54,103 --> 01:23:55,363

He would call them Norwegian.

:

01:23:55,823 --> 01:23:58,823

so the most shocking thing that,

that we had when they came across

:

01:23:59,003 --> 01:24:02,803

one of the things and, they

had actually the whole scene.

:

01:24:02,903 --> 01:24:06,083

So it, it was kind of weird how

they was trying to determine

:

01:24:06,423 --> 01:24:07,163

who the thing was.

:

01:24:07,383 --> 01:24:11,463

So what was shocking was that they

revealed the thing so early in the movie.

:

01:24:11,603 --> 01:24:12,782

So that, that was surprising.

:

01:24:13,043 --> 01:24:16,963

'cause it's like I've heard about the

movie and I've heard without seeing

:

01:24:16,963 --> 01:24:20,843

it and I've heard so much about it,

that I've kind of, had speculated

:

01:24:20,843 --> 01:24:22,282

what had happened in it based on what

:

01:24:22,282 --> 01:24:22,723

I was told.

:

01:24:23,303 --> 01:24:26,083

So from what I knew about the movie,

I thought you, it would be the kind

:

01:24:26,083 --> 01:24:29,443

of suspense thriller where you don't

know who's the monster and you didn't

:

01:24:29,443 --> 01:24:31,963

see the monster till the very end,

but you actually get to see the

:

01:24:31,963 --> 01:24:34,202

monster near the, near the beginning.

:

01:24:35,053 --> 01:24:38,282

when they realize there's a monster

imitating them and all this kind

:

01:24:38,282 --> 01:24:42,423

of stuff, that's when Kurt is in

control and he ties everybody up and

:

01:24:42,423 --> 01:24:43,943

he's gonna take everybody's blood.

:

01:24:44,443 --> 01:24:49,103

And he has a theory that, the

creature kind of separates.

:

01:24:49,403 --> 01:24:52,063

So whenever you take a piece of

the creature apart from the main

:

01:24:52,063 --> 01:24:56,702

body, then the piece that you take

of it is its own entity, right?

:

01:24:56,803 --> 01:25:00,383

So he draws a sample of blood from

everybody, and he's gonna take

:

01:25:00,423 --> 01:25:02,423

a hot poker and poke the blood.

:

01:25:02,843 --> 01:25:06,923

And if the blood sample reacts to the

blood, like tries to get away from

:

01:25:06,923 --> 01:25:11,123

the hot poker, then they know that

the blood belongings to that person

:

01:25:11,543 --> 01:25:12,243

is the creature.

:

01:25:12,663 --> 01:25:17,843

So he's testing one by one, and he finds

one that reacts and then the dude starts

:

01:25:17,903 --> 01:25:21,782

to, what you call it, to change and

transform and all this kind of stuff.

:

01:25:22,003 --> 01:25:25,503

So that was, so most of the

parts where the creature has

:

01:25:25,503 --> 01:25:27,133

been outed, I like those parts.

:

01:25:27,153 --> 01:25:30,733

So there's that part, and then there's a

part where, I don't know if it's the same

:

01:25:30,733 --> 01:25:35,613

dude, but he grows, the creature grows

into a large size and then like a dog head

:

01:25:35,613 --> 01:25:38,133

comes out of the body and then they, they,

:

01:25:38,178 --> 01:25:38,468

Katie: Like

:

01:25:38,508 --> 01:25:39,118

Zo Richardson: it's like they

:

01:25:39,133 --> 01:25:39,693

Katie: final one.

:

01:25:39,713 --> 01:25:40,493

The huge one.

:

01:25:40,738 --> 01:25:41,438

Zo Richardson: not the final

:

01:25:41,438 --> 01:25:43,968

one, but then Kurt Russell had to burn it,

:

01:25:44,428 --> 01:25:45,488

but he missed the head.

:

01:25:45,548 --> 01:25:48,327

The head, I think the head

got chopped off or one of its

:

01:25:48,327 --> 01:25:51,848

heads got chopped off and it grew

crab legs and tried to get away.

:

01:25:52,348 --> 01:25:53,208

So that was it.

:

01:25:53,443 --> 01:25:53,733

Katie: Crab.

:

01:25:54,133 --> 01:25:54,253

I

:

01:25:54,468 --> 01:25:55,228

Zo Richardson: was pretty impactful.

:

01:25:55,333 --> 01:25:56,893

Katie: is the, it is crab.

:

01:25:57,133 --> 01:26:00,253

I wrote spider like, but

crab is more aptt, I think.

:

01:26:00,318 --> 01:26:01,508

Zo Richardson: Right, right, right.

:

01:26:02,153 --> 01:26:02,443

Katie: That

:

01:26:02,728 --> 01:26:05,208

Zo Richardson: I liked all of those

parts when they were interacting and

:

01:26:05,208 --> 01:26:08,248

then basically trying to figure out

which one of them is the creature.

:

01:26:08,988 --> 01:26:12,248

and then, I'm very impressed

that they didn't kill off the

:

01:26:12,248 --> 01:26:13,808

black person in the beginning.

:

01:26:13,838 --> 01:26:16,407

Like neither one of them

were killed in the beginning.

:

01:26:16,768 --> 01:26:18,407

'cause that's kind of a

trope of horror movies.

:

01:26:18,748 --> 01:26:19,488

So one of them,

:

01:26:19,523 --> 01:26:19,683

Katie: point.

:

01:26:19,683 --> 01:26:22,303

There's two black guys and

they make it to the very end.

:

01:26:22,398 --> 01:26:24,008

Zo Richardson: they both right.

:

01:26:24,008 --> 01:26:25,368

They both flashed to the very end.

:

01:26:25,448 --> 01:26:27,008

I was like, good on you John Carpenter.

:

01:26:27,088 --> 01:26:27,848

I appreciate that.

:

01:26:27,998 --> 01:26:28,768

Good looking out.

:

01:26:29,148 --> 01:26:34,008

And then Keith, David was actually made it

all the way to the end with Kurt Russell

:

01:26:34,228 --> 01:26:39,568

at the end, and they're basically,

presumably they're going to both die from

:

01:26:39,758 --> 01:26:44,598

frostbite at the research station, that,

that was all of that with the finale

:

01:26:44,598 --> 01:26:46,238

and everything and how that turned out.

:

01:26:46,327 --> 01:26:49,907

Those are all, really

exciting scenes to, to watch

:

01:26:50,243 --> 01:26:51,433

Katie: there were a fair amount.

:

01:26:51,513 --> 01:26:55,013

the different versions of it

kind of taking over and what

:

01:26:55,013 --> 01:26:57,173

it looked like was interesting.

:

01:26:57,473 --> 01:27:00,202

kind of cool, you know, it

was the practical effects.

:

01:27:00,282 --> 01:27:00,803

I did like that.

:

01:27:01,303 --> 01:27:05,843

I now, while he might've been

good with his portrayal of, black

:

01:27:05,903 --> 01:27:08,803

men, there's not a single woman in.

:

01:27:11,113 --> 01:27:11,463

Zo Richardson: Right.

:

01:27:11,463 --> 01:27:11,782

Right.

:

01:27:11,782 --> 01:27:12,263

That's true.

:

01:27:12,763 --> 01:27:17,282

But, I think, I don't think that there

would've been women in an Antarctic

:

01:27:17,523 --> 01:27:19,443

research station in the:

:

01:27:19,903 --> 01:27:22,523

so I can understand why he did put one

:

01:27:22,523 --> 01:27:22,723

there.

:

01:27:23,003 --> 01:27:24,123

Katie: kind of what I thought too.

:

01:27:24,513 --> 01:27:25,003

However,

:

01:27:25,553 --> 01:27:25,843

Zo Richardson: Okay.

:

01:27:26,113 --> 01:27:31,243

Katie: this was technically a

remake of a:

:

01:27:31,403 --> 01:27:31,623

Zo Richardson: Oh,

:

01:27:32,173 --> 01:27:33,993

Katie: a woman, or maybe

two, I haven't seen it.

:

01:27:34,553 --> 01:27:39,473

I, so somebody tell me if it's good,

the first one, the 51 version, but

:

01:27:39,473 --> 01:27:44,103

there's women in that and then the

:

:

01:27:44,103 --> 01:27:45,903

that either, which now I might have to.

:

01:27:47,763 --> 01:27:52,063

It is kind of both as I understand

it, both a prequel and a remake.

:

01:27:52,563 --> 01:27:53,863

And there's women in that too.

:

01:27:53,943 --> 01:27:55,353

come on, John Carpenter.

:

01:27:55,373 --> 01:27:57,043

Zo Richardson: Right, right, right.

:

01:27:57,343 --> 01:28:00,143

But, I don't know if you

wanna watch the:

:

01:28:00,263 --> 01:28:02,233

I've seen and heard that it's

:

01:28:02,243 --> 01:28:02,663

Katie: Really?

:

01:28:02,813 --> 01:28:03,903

Okay, well then I'll

:

01:28:03,993 --> 01:28:07,353

Es remix tend to be, but I

do kind of like a prequel.

:

01:28:08,032 --> 01:28:08,913

I like that idea.

:

01:28:09,253 --> 01:28:09,473

But

:

01:28:09,893 --> 01:28:10,183

Zo Richardson: yeah.

:

01:28:10,373 --> 01:28:10,663

Yeah.

:

01:28:11,333 --> 01:28:12,452

Katie: I loved the scene.

:

01:28:13,793 --> 01:28:18,883

Probably my favorite like takeover

scene is when, they're trying to

:

01:28:18,883 --> 01:28:23,243

figure out who they think, I forget

who, but they think somebody outside,

:

01:28:23,243 --> 01:28:28,403

they think that he's turning, that

he's the thing and what's his name?

:

01:28:28,583 --> 01:28:32,243

Norris we're kind of shown like

he's outta breath and is we're shown

:

01:28:32,243 --> 01:28:34,003

there's something going on with Norris.

:

01:28:34,623 --> 01:28:37,363

And then he like has a heart,

like seemingly doc like

:

01:28:38,043 --> 01:28:39,163

collapses and has a heart attack.

:

01:28:39,183 --> 01:28:43,243

So they bring him to like

the medical area and doc, Dr.

:

01:28:43,243 --> 01:28:49,103

Copper is trying to resuscitate

him with the pa the, whatever those

:

01:28:49,103 --> 01:28:51,393

things are called, the things you

:

01:28:51,548 --> 01:28:52,008

Zo Richardson: Oh, the,

:

01:28:52,108 --> 01:28:52,458

Katie: clear

:

01:28:52,883 --> 01:28:54,273

Zo Richardson: right, right, right.

:

01:28:54,948 --> 01:28:55,577

Katie: those things.

:

01:28:55,813 --> 01:28:59,113

Zo Richardson: the, yeah, I forgot what

those things, those electroshock thingies

:

01:28:59,173 --> 01:29:00,553

for reviving a patient.

:

01:29:00,748 --> 01:29:01,288

Katie: Anyway, so

:

01:29:01,288 --> 01:29:06,128

he's trying to revive Norris and all

of a sudden Norris's whole abdomen

:

01:29:06,338 --> 01:29:12,568

opens up and it's now like a giant set

of teeth and bites off norris's arms.

:

01:29:13,077 --> 01:29:14,327

That was one of my favorite scenes.

:

01:29:14,648 --> 01:29:15,608

I liked that scene on

:

01:29:15,653 --> 01:29:16,973

Zo Richardson: that was

a pretty cool scene.

:

01:29:17,153 --> 01:29:21,983

I also liked, when they went to see, the

other doctor that they had early decided

:

01:29:22,003 --> 01:29:23,323

to lock up, 'cause he had went crazy,

:

01:29:23,323 --> 01:29:26,933

started to hit people with his rifle

and what, or he was hitting people,

:

01:29:27,083 --> 01:29:29,613

well, he was trying to shoot people

with his pistol and then hitting

:

01:29:29,613 --> 01:29:30,933

people with a ax or whatever.

:

01:29:30,952 --> 01:29:32,213

He was destroying everything.

:

01:29:32,593 --> 01:29:33,773

He destroyed the helicopter.

:

01:29:33,793 --> 01:29:36,103

He destroyed one of

the, the land vehicles.

:

01:29:36,643 --> 01:29:42,963

And so they had gathered them up and,

they put him in like a storage that was

:

01:29:42,963 --> 01:29:44,443

outside and locked him in the storage.

:

01:29:44,903 --> 01:29:45,123

Dr.

:

01:29:46,558 --> 01:29:46,798

Katie: Blair.

:

01:29:46,863 --> 01:29:47,063

Zo Richardson: Blair.

:

01:29:47,282 --> 01:29:47,503

Dr.

:

01:29:47,743 --> 01:29:47,983

Blair.

:

01:29:48,763 --> 01:29:51,143

And that was played by Wilford Brimley.

:

01:29:51,243 --> 01:29:54,782

So when they went after

a time they went to Dr.

:

01:29:55,063 --> 01:29:57,153

Blair and he's I don't

want be in here no more.

:

01:29:57,233 --> 01:29:58,193

I want to be with everybody else.

:

01:29:58,373 --> 01:29:59,153

I'm all better now.

:

01:29:59,213 --> 01:30:00,032

I'm not gonna hurt nobody.

:

01:30:00,313 --> 01:30:01,393

I like that scene so much.

:

01:30:01,903 --> 01:30:04,993

It's like I'm all, he is you

don't even sound better, man.

:

01:30:05,173 --> 01:30:05,913

You sound crazy.

:

01:30:06,253 --> 01:30:08,633

You don't even sound like

you deserve to be among

:

01:30:08,633 --> 01:30:08,873

people.

:

01:30:09,173 --> 01:30:12,653

Katie: he, I thought that was good

in that because, I didn't at first,

:

01:30:12,883 --> 01:30:16,213

he's the one that like figures out the

computers, by the way are pretty awesome.

:

01:30:16,213 --> 01:30:19,493

Like the 82 version of

computers is awesome in this

:

01:30:20,433 --> 01:30:25,473

but he's the one that finds out where

like some computer programs, like showing

:

01:30:25,532 --> 01:30:30,603

him how cells will like latch on and

then it takes over and how long it'll

:

01:30:30,603 --> 01:30:32,323

take for the whole world to be infected.

:

01:30:32,383 --> 01:30:34,163

And it's not very long.

:

01:30:34,583 --> 01:30:38,683

So he, I thought, and I think we're

supposed to at least think he's

:

01:30:38,683 --> 01:30:40,003

trying to like, save the world.

:

01:30:40,423 --> 01:30:44,593

And so then he like gets his

gun and puts himself away.

:

01:30:44,593 --> 01:30:48,343

and he's ruining things like

trying to get put away to he thinks

:

01:30:48,343 --> 01:30:52,623

that at least one or more of the

staff or the crew members has it.

:

01:30:53,323 --> 01:31:00,523

But then later you're like, oh, he was

the thing all along and he knew that.

:

01:31:00,543 --> 01:31:05,493

And anyway, 'cause he ends up,

being the like giant thing at

:

01:31:05,493 --> 01:31:07,253

the end that they have to kill.

:

01:31:07,603 --> 01:31:08,193

Zo Richardson: Right, right.

:

01:31:08,263 --> 01:31:12,003

he was definitely one of the things,

'cause it's not just the one, it,

:

01:31:12,083 --> 01:31:13,723

I think the title is intentionally

:

01:31:13,723 --> 01:31:14,363

misleading.

:

01:31:14,663 --> 01:31:16,723

So it's not just the

one thing, it's a bunch

:

01:31:16,723 --> 01:31:19,233

of things like, 'cause every

time a piece gets off it, it

:

01:31:19,233 --> 01:31:20,353

becomes his own little things.

:

01:31:20,773 --> 01:31:24,513

So he was one of a bunch of

things that was, but yeah, I think

:

01:31:24,513 --> 01:31:25,913

he was probably the main one.

:

01:31:26,933 --> 01:31:29,413

And I don't know if they

absorbed each other, but he

:

01:31:29,413 --> 01:31:30,893

definitely became super large.

:

01:31:30,893 --> 01:31:31,293

Like he

:

01:31:31,648 --> 01:31:31,938

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:31:32,288 --> 01:31:32,577

Yeah.

:

01:31:33,358 --> 01:31:34,378

He was extra big.

:

01:31:34,608 --> 01:31:34,898

Yeah.

:

01:31:35,688 --> 01:31:35,978

Zo Richardson: yeah.

:

01:31:36,823 --> 01:31:39,282

Katie: so what did you think

about the ambiguous ending?

:

01:31:39,282 --> 01:31:42,603

There's a lot of chatter about

it, so I was curious what Yeah.

:

01:31:42,657 --> 01:31:42,948

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:31:43,648 --> 01:31:46,188

So I like, I've heard the chatter.

:

01:31:46,188 --> 01:31:49,468

Like I said before, I heard the,

before I actually saw the movie,

:

01:31:49,888 --> 01:31:54,628

so I was under the impression that

Kurt Russell was the only survivor,

:

01:31:54,968 --> 01:31:57,278

but it was Kurt Russell and, David.

:

01:31:57,538 --> 01:31:58,878

So I was surprised at that.

:

01:31:59,338 --> 01:32:02,358

And then it's like that

character was gone for a while.

:

01:32:02,407 --> 01:32:03,608

child was gone for

:

01:32:03,728 --> 01:32:08,278

a while and then he shows up in the end

and then it was like, well I guess we just

:

01:32:08,278 --> 01:32:09,488

gonna sit out here and freeze the death.

:

01:32:09,488 --> 01:32:11,088

It's I guess that's

what we gonna do, right?

:

01:32:11,327 --> 01:32:14,418

because the creature can,

you know, it doesn't die.

:

01:32:14,438 --> 01:32:15,618

We just hibernate in the

:

01:32:15,618 --> 01:32:15,858

cold.

:

01:32:17,238 --> 01:32:18,918

I didn't really consider it ambiguous.

:

01:32:19,038 --> 01:32:21,358

'cause I'm not good

with ambiguous endings.

:

01:32:21,858 --> 01:32:25,118

So I'll just take it as if you're

not going to explicitly tell me

:

01:32:25,118 --> 01:32:26,598

what happened, I'll just say, okay.

:

01:32:26,758 --> 01:32:28,358

I guess they both live and then they die.

:

01:32:28,748 --> 01:32:29,558

They're both human.

:

01:32:29,748 --> 01:32:32,518

I'll take it as that because there are

a lot of people saying, oh, it was, LAN,

:

01:32:32,748 --> 01:32:34,318

Kurt Russell, what's his character's name?

:

01:32:34,318 --> 01:32:35,518

I've been calling him Kurt this whole

:

01:32:35,518 --> 01:32:35,758

time.

:

01:32:36,098 --> 01:32:36,518

It was

:

01:32:36,938 --> 01:32:37,338

Katie: I do the

:

01:32:37,468 --> 01:32:38,438

.

Zo Richardson: Yeah, it was Mac,

:

01:32:38,498 --> 01:32:38,698

Katie: the same.

:

01:32:38,768 --> 01:32:39,058

Kurt

:

01:32:39,218 --> 01:32:42,768

Zo Richardson: it was, right, right,

So they're saying like, it was

:

01:32:42,827 --> 01:32:44,398

Mac and Mac is probably the thing.

:

01:32:44,618 --> 01:32:48,888

And so like in, in a situation where

they speculate they could be a sequel,

:

01:32:49,108 --> 01:32:54,038

is that where they transport back to a

city and then, you know, he infects the

:

01:32:54,038 --> 01:32:54,678

city or whatever.

:

01:32:55,298 --> 01:32:59,728

But, and nobody ever says that,

Blair is the, is the thing.

:

01:32:59,728 --> 01:33:01,588

They always say that it's Mac.

:

01:33:01,738 --> 01:33:02,398

Katie: Oh, do you mean,

:

01:33:02,498 --> 01:33:02,798

do you

:

01:33:02,848 --> 01:33:04,068

Zo Richardson: chi, I mean, Childs?

:

01:33:04,618 --> 01:33:04,907

Yeah.

:

01:33:05,157 --> 01:33:10,518

Katie: I thought it was, I thought if,

see this is why the ambiguity, it, I

:

01:33:10,518 --> 01:33:14,678

don't love an ambiguous ending, but

sometimes filmmakers will be like,

:

01:33:14,678 --> 01:33:15,918

well, it's what you think it is.

:

01:33:15,938 --> 01:33:16,918

And so everybody has a

:

01:33:17,058 --> 01:33:17,338

Zo Richardson: yeah.

:

01:33:17,458 --> 01:33:17,938

Katie: don't really love that.

:

01:33:18,438 --> 01:33:18,657

But

:

01:33:19,388 --> 01:33:19,738

Zo Richardson: Right.

:

01:33:19,738 --> 01:33:24,098

Katie: I wasn't, I did not think

for a second that it was Mac.

:

01:33:25,098 --> 01:33:30,618

I thought that it could, it is

likely that childs was a thing.

:

01:33:31,718 --> 01:33:32,008

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:33:33,848 --> 01:33:36,258

Katie: many people have

theorized about it and.

:

01:33:37,753 --> 01:33:40,113

A lot of the stuff that I was

reading was about that, whether

:

01:33:40,133 --> 01:33:41,593

or not childs was the thing.

:

01:33:42,452 --> 01:33:46,053

And they're saying like, there's

some evidence that the bottle

:

01:33:46,073 --> 01:33:48,413

of scotch wasn't really scotch.

:

01:33:48,433 --> 01:33:51,653

It was like a Molotov whatever,

like gasoline or something.

:

01:33:51,713 --> 01:33:55,813

And that he takes a drink of it and a

human would know that it was gasoline

:

01:33:55,993 --> 01:33:58,273

and not, scotch or what, I don't know.

:

01:33:58,273 --> 01:33:59,153

And something about his

:

01:33:59,448 --> 01:33:59,738

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:33:59,913 --> 01:34:01,353

Katie: about his earring

and how that plays

:

01:34:01,488 --> 01:34:01,907

And then,

:

01:34:02,003 --> 01:34:02,293

Zo Richardson: yeah.

:

01:34:02,353 --> 01:34:06,043

To me, it's if he was a, if any

one of them was the creature, they

:

01:34:06,043 --> 01:34:09,282

would've shot the last remaining

person and gone into hibernation.

:

01:34:09,313 --> 01:34:11,043

It's 'cause the creature

doesn't wait around.

:

01:34:11,143 --> 01:34:13,683

It doesn't wait it, if it

thinks it's found out, then

:

01:34:13,683 --> 01:34:14,763

it takes action right away.

:

01:34:14,943 --> 01:34:17,563

So I don't think that either one of them

:

01:34:17,943 --> 01:34:18,443

was the thing.

:

01:34:18,463 --> 01:34:22,323

It didn't feel it, it would, it

didn't feel that ambiguous to me.

:

01:34:22,443 --> 01:34:24,723

I understand that people have had

their theories, and these are people

:

01:34:24,743 --> 01:34:26,313

who have watched the movie over

:

01:34:26,333 --> 01:34:27,073

and over again.

:

01:34:27,333 --> 01:34:30,112

And this is just me and Right, right.

:

01:34:30,173 --> 01:34:33,153

But I'm just looking at it for the

first time, and I'm like, you, I'm

:

01:34:33,153 --> 01:34:34,753

not good with ambiguous endings.

:

01:34:34,903 --> 01:34:38,813

Like the best ambiguous ending

I've seen was in, inception.

:

01:34:39,237 --> 01:34:39,528

Katie: yeah.

:

01:34:39,913 --> 01:34:40,413

Zo Richardson: Is that the

:

01:34:40,413 --> 01:34:40,773

name of it?

:

01:34:40,773 --> 01:34:41,293

Inception?

:

01:34:41,433 --> 01:34:42,213

Am I getting it Right?

:

01:34:42,258 --> 01:34:42,498

Katie: think so.

:

01:34:42,833 --> 01:34:46,293

Zo Richardson: And the, at the end of

the movie, he has a, like a spinning top

:

01:34:46,293 --> 01:34:49,413

thing and he spins the top and we don't

know if, we don't see if it falls over

:

01:34:49,413 --> 01:34:49,733

or not.

:

01:34:50,032 --> 01:34:52,093

So that's, to me, that's a good

:

01:34:52,523 --> 01:34:53,133

ambiguous

:

01:34:53,237 --> 01:34:53,438

Katie: some.

:

01:34:53,438 --> 01:34:53,878

You're right.

:

01:34:53,907 --> 01:34:54,718

Some can be good.

:

01:34:55,178 --> 01:34:58,448

Zo Richardson: Right, but this

one is just like you said,

:

01:34:58,448 --> 01:35:00,288

it wasn't ex explicit enough.

:

01:35:00,288 --> 01:35:00,728

Either way.

:

01:35:00,848 --> 01:35:02,728

I didn't really feel the ambiguity of it.

:

01:35:03,243 --> 01:35:06,733

Katie: Well, I, when it was over, I

didn't, there I had a feeling that

:

01:35:06,813 --> 01:35:09,253

I was like, oh, I didn't like that.

:

01:35:09,253 --> 01:35:10,773

That's how it ended, I guess.

:

01:35:11,513 --> 01:35:15,393

And, I was reading that there

were multiple, multiple alternate

:

01:35:15,423 --> 01:35:18,793

endings and some of 'em I was like,

oh, that would've been better.

:

01:35:19,903 --> 01:35:25,202

so Carpenter himself has recognized

the theory that childs is the thing,

:

01:35:27,333 --> 01:35:28,032

but he doesn't.

:

01:35:28,133 --> 01:35:32,263

so he's recognized that's a thing,

but he has said, but he doesn't

:

01:35:32,263 --> 01:35:35,583

think that either of them is the

thing at the end of the movie.

:

01:35:35,693 --> 01:35:40,963

However, he's also said, so he's

flip-flopping or some, I don't know.

:

01:35:40,963 --> 01:35:41,563

Because when

:

01:35:41,808 --> 01:35:42,878

Zo Richardson: right, right, right.

:

01:35:43,043 --> 01:35:46,862

Katie: interview, when he is asked

about it, he responded that he

:

01:35:46,862 --> 01:35:49,862

could not understand how there

could be any confusion about whether

:

01:35:49,893 --> 01:35:51,423

Childer McCready are human or not.

:

01:35:51,423 --> 01:35:55,083

Because the last scene, the last

scene shows Kurt Russell and Keith

:

01:35:55,083 --> 01:35:58,782

David staring at each, staring

each other down harshly black lit.

:

01:35:59,213 --> 01:36:03,103

It's completely glaringly

obvious that Kurt Russell is

:

01:36:03,103 --> 01:36:06,063

breathing and Keith, David is not.

:

01:36:06,683 --> 01:36:09,263

So that leads, so it's well,

which is it John Carpenter?

:

01:36:09,263 --> 01:36:11,743

Are they both human or

is child's the thing.

:

01:36:13,688 --> 01:36:16,618

When I watched it, I want to

believe that they're both human.

:

01:36:16,678 --> 01:36:22,418

That's what I wanted to believe, but I

could also see childs not being human.

:

01:36:23,873 --> 01:36:26,782

Zo Richardson: And here's the thing,

there was never a thing in a movie

:

01:36:26,782 --> 01:36:28,862

where they're saying, well, if it's

a thing, it's not gonna breathe.

:

01:36:29,003 --> 01:36:30,563

if it takes over your human body, it's

:

01:36:30,563 --> 01:36:31,043

not gonna breathe.

:

01:36:31,043 --> 01:36:33,202

They never actually, that was never a,

:

01:36:33,423 --> 01:36:33,543

a,

:

01:36:33,643 --> 01:36:35,423

an element, right?

:

01:36:35,443 --> 01:36:36,753

It wasn't an element, in the movie.

:

01:36:36,813 --> 01:36:39,713

It was like they said that if

it imitates you, it's a perfect

:

01:36:39,968 --> 01:36:40,318

Katie: Right.

:

01:36:40,468 --> 01:36:40,758

Good

:

01:36:40,893 --> 01:36:44,393

Zo Richardson: So there's no way that

you can tell until it reveals itself.

:

01:36:44,773 --> 01:36:48,153

and that's what normally happened in

the movies that it revealed itself.

:

01:36:48,253 --> 01:36:51,273

you know, it's, I could see all

of the speculation going on, but

:

01:36:51,273 --> 01:36:53,073

to me it wasn't ambiguous enough.

:

01:36:54,098 --> 01:36:54,388

Katie: Okay.

:

01:36:55,618 --> 01:36:59,358

Some of the other alternative endings

we have, one is that McCready was

:

01:36:59,358 --> 01:37:03,237

rescued by civilization and passes

a blood test that somehow that

:

01:37:03,237 --> 01:37:04,918

government knows needs to happen.

:

01:37:05,737 --> 01:37:06,327

Zo Richardson: Right, right.

:

01:37:06,327 --> 01:37:06,608

Right.

:

01:37:06,913 --> 01:37:07,353

Katie: not a good one.

:

01:37:07,353 --> 01:37:11,553

That's another, the, there was, there

was another one where they showed

:

01:37:11,833 --> 01:37:17,273

a malamute, presumably the thing

surviving the explosion, stopping to

:

01:37:17,273 --> 01:37:20,993

take one final look at the burning

camp before running off into the snow.

:

01:37:21,353 --> 01:37:21,952

I like that.

:

01:37:22,313 --> 01:37:22,873

I like that.

:

01:37:24,612 --> 01:37:28,253

A third simply showed Charles getting

up, walking away into the snowstorm,

:

01:37:28,963 --> 01:37:31,053

leaving McCready to parish alone.

:

01:37:32,452 --> 01:37:34,083

which, yeah, that would kind of.

:

01:37:34,883 --> 01:37:37,903

Go in favor of child

being the thing anyway.

:

01:37:37,983 --> 01:37:38,383

I don't know.

:

01:37:38,713 --> 01:37:41,393

another was that they committed

suicide with a stick of

:

01:37:41,513 --> 01:37:42,593

dynamite, which I also buy.

:

01:37:42,793 --> 01:37:43,793

I would do if I were them.

:

01:37:43,793 --> 01:37:44,513

That's what I would do.

:

01:37:44,913 --> 01:37:46,313

I wouldn't wanna like freeze to death.

:

01:37:47,893 --> 01:37:49,503

Zo Richardson: Yeah, that

doesn't sound well, actually.

:

01:37:49,702 --> 01:37:51,903

I think what happens when you

freeze the death, you start

:

01:37:52,202 --> 01:37:54,663

losing feeling in your extremities

:

01:37:54,683 --> 01:37:55,103

anyway.

:

01:37:55,683 --> 01:37:57,383

So it probably wouldn't

:

01:37:57,383 --> 01:37:57,983

feel anything.

:

01:37:58,803 --> 01:37:59,593

yeah, I don't know.

:

01:37:59,713 --> 01:38:00,593

I see.

:

01:38:00,633 --> 01:38:03,423

I'm in a camp where I prefer

not to die, so I don't want

:

01:38:03,423 --> 01:38:05,463

to choose my method of death.

:

01:38:05,603 --> 01:38:08,903

So I don't I wouldn't wanna be faced

with, well, how do you wanna go?

:

01:38:08,923 --> 01:38:12,013

You want to stick a dynamite or do you

wanna just sit out here and freeze it?

:

01:38:12,213 --> 01:38:12,893

I don't want any of

:

01:38:12,952 --> 01:38:13,473

Katie: I don't either.

:

01:38:13,543 --> 01:38:15,243

Zo Richardson: can we, is there option c

:

01:38:15,543 --> 01:38:16,143

Katie: I guess so.

:

01:38:16,223 --> 01:38:20,702

I am such an avoider of pain that

if I know I'm gonna eventually die

:

01:38:20,702 --> 01:38:25,223

and it's gonna be a gruesome long,

drawn out pain, like I'm like, gimme

:

01:38:25,223 --> 01:38:26,753

the immediate, kill me now please.

:

01:38:27,593 --> 01:38:28,393

I want that kind

:

01:38:28,553 --> 01:38:29,112

of a Yeah.

:

01:38:29,933 --> 01:38:33,873

now apparently it has become

tradition in British Antarctic

:

01:38:34,633 --> 01:38:39,153

research stations to watch the thing

as part of their mid-winter feast

:

01:38:39,153 --> 01:38:41,112

and celebration every June 21st.

:

01:38:41,213 --> 01:38:41,793

Did you know that,

:

01:38:43,583 --> 01:38:44,362

Zo Richardson: No, that's fun.

:

01:38:46,233 --> 01:38:47,603

Katie: Kurt Russell somewhere.

:

01:38:48,163 --> 01:38:52,183

We haven't really talked about him

much, but his, it is a young, it is a

:

01:38:52,183 --> 01:38:56,303

young Kurt Russell, but he's got long

hair and a long beard and he, that's

:

01:38:56,303 --> 01:39:00,623

his actual hair and beard that it took

him over a year to grow for this movie.

:

01:39:01,462 --> 01:39:02,121

Zo Richardson: Oh, that's nice.

:

01:39:02,182 --> 01:39:03,722

He grew it specifically for the movie.

:

01:39:03,722 --> 01:39:04,202

That's pretty

:

01:39:04,357 --> 01:39:04,647

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:39:04,746 --> 01:39:07,207

He and John Carpenter, I

think he's yeah, I'll do that.

:

01:39:08,227 --> 01:39:14,737

I love casting what ifs, like various, so

bear with me if you have a few minutes to

:

01:39:14,737 --> 01:39:17,977

talk about some potential different cast.

:

01:39:18,916 --> 01:39:22,416

So McCready, they did not want

Kurt Russell, like the studio.

:

01:39:22,416 --> 01:39:26,337

They wanted somebody much more

well, well known like Nick.

:

01:39:26,357 --> 01:39:31,007

No, they wanted like Nick Nolte, Jeff

Bridges, Tom Barringer, Christopher

:

01:39:31,457 --> 01:39:33,727

Wakin, actually that would've been great.

:

01:39:34,337 --> 01:39:38,782

Scott Glenn, Roy Schneider, Chris

Christopherson, Jack, Sam Shepherd, Jack

:

01:39:38,782 --> 01:39:40,607

Thompson, Tom Atkins, and Don Johnson.

:

01:39:41,227 --> 01:39:44,447

All of those dudes were

considered for Mac.

:

01:39:46,387 --> 01:39:52,087

and I guess the screenwriter, bill

Lancaster, he wrote the script with either

:

01:39:52,567 --> 01:39:55,127

Harrison Ford or Clint Eastwood in mind.

:

01:39:56,227 --> 01:39:57,107

none of those guys wanted it.

:

01:39:57,107 --> 01:40:00,437

Like, 'cause I think, Horror is

looked down upon, it seems like.

:

01:40:00,577 --> 01:40:03,817

And same with action for an

Alister, wouldn't demean themself

:

01:40:03,837 --> 01:40:05,017

to do a horror movie, seemingly.

:

01:40:05,637 --> 01:40:10,817

So somebody who was like, legitimately

wanting to do it was a newcomer,

:

01:40:10,967 --> 01:40:15,557

Fred Ward, remember him, he was

in a lot of those Christopher

:

01:40:15,717 --> 01:40:17,996

Guest comedies, like Wag, best

:

01:40:18,112 --> 01:40:18,492

Zo Richardson: The name

:

01:40:18,617 --> 01:40:20,597

Katie: you'll, you'll, you

totally know who he is.

:

01:40:20,832 --> 01:40:22,212

Zo Richardson: You are

right, right, right, right.

:

01:40:22,897 --> 01:40:23,996

Katie: but he wasn't well known.

:

01:40:23,996 --> 01:40:27,817

Like apparently he wasn't well

known enough for the studio.

:

01:40:28,477 --> 01:40:32,617

so Kurt Russell apparently was

hired as a last resort effort by

:

01:40:32,617 --> 01:40:34,057

recommendation from Carpenter.

:

01:40:34,797 --> 01:40:39,047

but they didn't think he, they were

very skeptical because they thought

:

01:40:39,047 --> 01:40:45,687

he was too young and pretty to play

such a rugged and Brawny McCready.

:

01:40:46,187 --> 01:40:49,327

So that's maybe why he

did the beard and whatnot.

:

01:40:49,327 --> 01:40:51,887

But he is pretty, and he

was young and his eyes.

:

01:40:52,547 --> 01:40:56,457

Boy, those Kurt Russell eyes just I don't

know, there's something about him and you

:

01:40:56,457 --> 01:40:59,257

notice them a lot in this movie 'cause

you can't really see the rest of his face.

:

01:41:00,802 --> 01:41:01,152

Zo Richardson: right.

:

01:41:02,117 --> 01:41:03,267

Katie: Could you see anybody else in this?

:

01:41:03,287 --> 01:41:06,627

Did you like Kurt for this role or

could you see any of those other guys?

:

01:41:08,472 --> 01:41:10,752

Zo Richardson: I think many of

them would've done a fine job.

:

01:41:10,902 --> 01:41:15,152

It's, I don't see McCready

as having a particularly like

:

01:41:15,432 --> 01:41:16,832

defining characteristic.

:

01:41:16,852 --> 01:41:17,092

Katie: from his

:

01:41:17,102 --> 01:41:17,772

alcoholism,

:

01:41:17,952 --> 01:41:17,992

Zo Richardson: is.

:

01:41:19,227 --> 01:41:19,577

Right.

:

01:41:19,857 --> 01:41:23,217

I mean, he's a, and they were

all seemed to be, they liked it.

:

01:41:23,217 --> 01:41:23,457

They

:

01:41:23,457 --> 01:41:28,387

liked the liquor and I think that, he

just has a good like everyman persona.

:

01:41:28,807 --> 01:41:31,907

And I think most of the people

that you mentioned has a good

:

01:41:32,387 --> 01:41:36,157

everyman persona like Harrison

Ford or Clin Eastwood.

:

01:41:36,157 --> 01:41:40,597

they all have a good like regular

guy type everyman aesthetic.

:

01:41:40,777 --> 01:41:45,237

So I think that e either one of those

actors would've been a fine job at the

:

01:41:45,392 --> 01:41:45,791

Katie: I agree.

:

01:41:45,992 --> 01:41:46,112

I

:

01:41:46,227 --> 01:41:47,117

Zo Richardson: It's just something that

:

01:41:47,272 --> 01:41:48,472

Katie: I could actually see most of those.

:

01:41:48,572 --> 01:41:49,952

Not Don Johnson, I don't think.

:

01:41:50,092 --> 01:41:54,472

Not Don Johnson, but Christopher

Walen is one I would've loved to see.

:

01:41:54,492 --> 01:41:55,672

But he's not an everyman.

:

01:41:55,672 --> 01:42:00,222

He has a very specificness to him,

but that would've been interesting.

:

01:42:00,562 --> 01:42:01,412

But I, love Kurt.

:

01:42:01,492 --> 01:42:01,772

I love

:

01:42:01,937 --> 01:42:02,541

Zo Richardson: I right.

:

01:42:02,612 --> 01:42:05,541

Well, Christopher Walken has a kind

of ruggedness to him, so I think he

:

01:42:05,541 --> 01:42:07,541

can affect a rugged character.

:

01:42:07,962 --> 01:42:11,392

And you're right, Don Johnson

is the weakest one of the entire

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01:42:11,392 --> 01:42:12,952

group that, that you mentioned.

:

01:42:12,952 --> 01:42:14,552

But I, he could probably pull it off.

:

01:42:14,852 --> 01:42:17,392

he could probably, he's a actor.

:

01:42:17,552 --> 01:42:18,192

I expect actors

:

01:42:18,192 --> 01:42:18,952

to know how to hack.

:

01:42:19,012 --> 01:42:19,842

So I figured that

:

01:42:19,877 --> 01:42:20,416

Katie: how about that?

:

01:42:21,992 --> 01:42:24,282

Zo Richardson: because that's the

thing about when people are fan

:

01:42:24,282 --> 01:42:26,442

casting, they're like, well, I

don't see him in his role because,

:

01:42:27,022 --> 01:42:28,522

you know, they don't have red hair.

:

01:42:28,662 --> 01:42:30,362

And I'm like, well,

they can dye their heads

:

01:42:30,422 --> 01:42:30,642

red.

:

01:42:30,642 --> 01:42:31,282

that's what they do.

:

01:42:31,282 --> 01:42:33,082

That's what makeup is for, that.

:

01:42:33,541 --> 01:42:33,832

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:42:33,932 --> 01:42:35,672

That's such a dumb, no kidding.

:

01:42:36,132 --> 01:42:36,552

Agreed.

:

01:42:37,452 --> 01:42:40,162

Zo Richardson: Yeah, but I see a lot

of that, a lot when people are fan

:

01:42:40,162 --> 01:42:45,232

casting, but in this specific role,

I don't really feel like there's a

:

01:42:45,472 --> 01:42:50,272

specific enough characteristic that

Kurt Russell brings that it could only

:

01:42:50,272 --> 01:42:51,871

be him to this particular character.

:

01:42:52,592 --> 01:42:58,272

I also remember that Kurt Russell was, had

screen tested for Han Solo and Star Wars,

:

01:42:59,132 --> 01:43:00,912

and that would've looked good.

:

01:43:01,312 --> 01:43:03,592

I wouldn't have mind

seeing Kurt Russell as

:

01:43:03,822 --> 01:43:04,362

Katie: Is Han

:

01:43:04,552 --> 01:43:05,712

Zo Richardson: I think

that would've worked

:

01:43:05,772 --> 01:43:06,232

as well.

:

01:43:06,802 --> 01:43:07,162

Katie: Harrison Ford.

:

01:43:08,652 --> 01:43:10,912

Zo Richardson: Yes, that's Harrison

Ford eventually take that character.

:

01:43:10,912 --> 01:43:13,912

They weren't even really looking

at him as taking that role.

:

01:43:14,102 --> 01:43:17,152

They only really brought him

on to read lines off against

:

01:43:17,212 --> 01:43:17,871

the other actors.

:

01:43:17,871 --> 01:43:18,672

They were casting

:

01:43:18,932 --> 01:43:19,132

Katie: been a

:

01:43:19,192 --> 01:43:20,952

Zo Richardson: like Luke

Skywalker, princess Leia?

:

01:43:21,882 --> 01:43:22,102

Katie: No.

:

01:43:22,352 --> 01:43:23,592

Zo Richardson: I think

they're around the same age.

:

01:43:24,222 --> 01:43:25,712

Kurt Russell and Harrison Ford.

:

01:43:25,952 --> 01:43:26,672

'cause he was a lot younger.

:

01:43:26,912 --> 01:43:29,432

I think maybe he was, maybe

he's like a little bit younger.

:

01:43:29,482 --> 01:43:32,752

Maybe he's 29 and Harrison

Ford was like 33 or

:

01:43:32,752 --> 01:43:33,132

Katie: Got it.

:

01:43:33,472 --> 01:43:33,692

Not,

:

01:43:33,852 --> 01:43:35,512

Zo Richardson: But Not, that, not they're

:

01:43:35,692 --> 01:43:37,312

around the same age, I believe.

:

01:43:38,102 --> 01:43:38,392

Yeah.

:

01:43:38,682 --> 01:43:39,572

Katie: some other ones.

:

01:43:39,572 --> 01:43:45,462

So for the Gary role, like the

captain guy apparently, alternates

:

01:43:45,682 --> 01:43:48,142

Lee Van Cleef and Isaac Hayes.

:

01:43:49,452 --> 01:43:52,662

That would've been different, we're

considered since John Carpenter

:

01:43:52,682 --> 01:43:56,302

had just worked with them on

Escape from New York in:

:

01:43:57,242 --> 01:43:57,592

Zo Richardson: Right.

:

01:43:57,862 --> 01:44:00,852

Katie: Isaac Hayes also was

considered for the child's role.

:

01:44:02,082 --> 01:44:07,732

Same with, Bernie Casey, Jeffrey

Holder, Ernie Hudson and Carl Weathers.

:

01:44:08,374 --> 01:44:09,204

Zo Richardson: Right, right.

:

01:44:09,464 --> 01:44:11,523

he was going through all of

his favorite black actors

:

01:44:12,009 --> 01:44:12,429

Katie: he was.

:

01:44:12,809 --> 01:44:15,809

Now I do like Carl

Weathers, but I don't know.

:

01:44:15,898 --> 01:44:17,059

I don't see him for this.

:

01:44:19,334 --> 01:44:21,994

Zo Richardson: what's surprising

to me was that I used to think

:

01:44:21,994 --> 01:44:23,874

that Car Weathers wasn't an actor.

:

01:44:23,943 --> 01:44:27,204

Like he was kind of just some dude

that they found to, I don't know.

:

01:44:27,304 --> 01:44:31,424

I don't know what I was thinking, I guess

because I never really watched Rocky.

:

01:44:31,654 --> 01:44:34,824

It's like I sort of, kind

of was lazy through it.

:

01:44:35,204 --> 01:44:35,424

So

:

01:44:35,824 --> 01:44:36,184

I did,

:

01:44:36,289 --> 01:44:38,559

Katie: we're gonna have to,

we're gonna have to remedy that.

:

01:44:38,794 --> 01:44:40,164

Zo Richardson: yeah, no.

:

01:44:40,164 --> 01:44:40,324

Here.

:

01:44:40,344 --> 01:44:41,244

No, here's what happened.

:

01:44:41,244 --> 01:44:41,964

Here's what happened.

:

01:44:42,564 --> 01:44:43,414

I, I knew of Rocky.

:

01:44:43,574 --> 01:44:47,814

I always thought I watched Rocky, but as

it turns out, I had not watched Rocky.

:

01:44:47,914 --> 01:44:49,734

And then I did Rocky for

:

01:44:50,034 --> 01:44:53,214

the podcast and I watched Carl Weathers.

:

01:44:53,214 --> 01:44:55,134

It was like, oh, he really can act.

:

01:44:55,134 --> 01:44:55,853

He really is a actor.

:

01:44:56,034 --> 01:44:59,094

As a matter of fact, Carl

Weathers would complain about

:

01:44:59,454 --> 01:45:00,693

Sylvester Stallone's acting.

:

01:45:00,693 --> 01:45:01,574

That's what he was.

:

01:45:01,589 --> 01:45:01,879

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:45:02,219 --> 01:45:03,719

He was like, can you gimme a real actor?

:

01:45:05,039 --> 01:45:05,329

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:45:05,359 --> 01:45:05,648

Yeah.

:

01:45:05,648 --> 01:45:07,209

He would say, could

you gimme a real actor?

:

01:45:07,209 --> 01:45:09,379

Because I was like, oh,

he really is a actor.

:

01:45:09,719 --> 01:45:11,259

And now I see he's,

:

01:45:11,309 --> 01:45:15,849

in Star Wars in the Mandalorian,

and he plays a character there.

:

01:45:15,989 --> 01:45:20,679

And it is you really get to see his acting

chops in the Mandalorian more so than you

:

01:45:20,939 --> 01:45:22,299

got to see in earlier movies.

:

01:45:22,839 --> 01:45:25,659

and it's a shame it could, I feel

like you didn't really see enough

:

01:45:25,659 --> 01:45:25,939

of him.

:

01:45:26,148 --> 01:45:26,499

Right.

:

01:45:26,949 --> 01:45:30,279

many of the other actors

like Isaac Hayes and, Bernie,

:

01:45:30,489 --> 01:45:32,249

Casey ca, is it Casey, Bernie,

:

01:45:32,568 --> 01:45:33,289

I can't remember his name.

:

01:45:33,469 --> 01:45:34,209

,Bernie, Casey.

:

01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:37,839

I feel like I've seen those

actors a lot more than I've seen.

:

01:45:38,139 --> 01:45:38,478

you know,

:

01:45:38,779 --> 01:45:39,199

Apollo

:

01:45:39,484 --> 01:45:42,844

Katie: I mean, 'cause he was Apollo Creed,

like it's hard to, he was in Predator.

:

01:45:44,023 --> 01:45:44,244

but

:

01:45:44,329 --> 01:45:44,619

Zo Richardson: Yeah.

:

01:45:44,689 --> 01:45:45,779

yeah, He wasn't predator.

:

01:45:45,844 --> 01:45:47,684

Katie: feel like it's really

hard if you're like an

:

01:45:47,684 --> 01:45:49,484

iconic character in a movie.

:

01:45:49,554 --> 01:45:51,684

It's kind of hard to branch outta that.

:

01:45:51,744 --> 01:45:51,964

But,

:

01:45:52,584 --> 01:45:55,304

b Brian Duney was also

considered for the role of Dr.

:

01:45:55,304 --> 01:46:02,064

Copper and Richard Masseur turned

down a role in ET to do this movie

:

01:46:02,964 --> 01:46:05,224

And so he is probably

totally kicking himself.

:

01:46:05,804 --> 01:46:13,294

yes, it was actually filmed in LA with

the final shooting taking place in

:

01:46:13,494 --> 01:46:16,614

northern British Columbia and the town.

:

01:46:18,224 --> 01:46:21,954

Stewart, the town of Stewart was

chosen as a main location because

:

01:46:22,174 --> 01:46:27,034

it apparently is considered the

snowfall capital of North America.

:

01:46:28,574 --> 01:46:33,994

And the sound effects of the Antarctic

wind was recorded actually in the

:

01:46:33,994 --> 01:46:35,754

desert outside of Palm Springs.

:

01:46:36,154 --> 01:46:37,314

I thought that was interesting.

:

01:46:37,579 --> 01:46:39,439

Zo Richardson: Ah, yeah, that is,

:

01:46:39,754 --> 01:46:42,894

Katie: Now, entertainment Weekly

ranked, ranked this as the 12th

:

01:46:43,334 --> 01:46:44,934

scariest movie of all time.

:

01:46:45,924 --> 01:46:46,544

Do you agree?

:

01:46:46,574 --> 01:46:47,424

What do you think about that?

:

01:46:49,459 --> 01:46:52,099

Zo Richardson: well, I'm not a proper

judge 'cause as I said, I don't

:

01:46:52,099 --> 01:46:53,499

watch a whole bunch of horror movies.

:

01:46:53,779 --> 01:46:58,019

I mean, it was, it was somewhat

thrilling, but I don't know that it

:

01:46:58,019 --> 01:47:01,259

could be, it's probably not the scariest

movie that most people have ever

:

01:47:01,284 --> 01:47:01,574

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:47:01,959 --> 01:47:03,739

Zo Richardson: but like I said, I am not.

:

01:47:04,349 --> 01:47:04,699

Right.

:

01:47:04,699 --> 01:47:05,299

Right, right.

:

01:47:05,999 --> 01:47:07,699

I'm not the guy to judge

these things though.

:

01:47:07,799 --> 01:47:08,859

You have to ask a horror

:

01:47:08,859 --> 01:47:09,099

movie

:

01:47:09,394 --> 01:47:09,594

Katie: true.

:

01:47:09,624 --> 01:47:10,193

That is fair.

:

01:47:10,193 --> 01:47:14,594

So those of you who are super into

horror, let me know like how you

:

01:47:14,594 --> 01:47:18,464

think the thing, you know, where it

is in your rankings of horror movies.

:

01:47:19,224 --> 01:47:20,304

I enjoyed it.

:

01:47:20,504 --> 01:47:22,664

I was not super scared, at all.

:

01:47:23,144 --> 01:47:24,103

I did like the effects.

:

01:47:24,314 --> 01:47:28,704

maybe it's again, some of it might

be us watching it now, but if we had

:

01:47:28,704 --> 01:47:34,501

watched it when we were like a kid in the

eighties or something, apparently John

:

01:47:34,501 --> 01:47:39,741

Carpenter's next project after this was

supposed to be:

:

01:47:41,231 --> 01:47:46,531

He lost that gig because the thing

did so poorly at the box office.

:

01:47:48,846 --> 01:47:50,346

Zo Richardson: Ah, it's gotta hurt

:

01:47:51,111 --> 01:47:51,401

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:47:51,901 --> 01:47:52,481

Oh my gosh.

:

01:47:52,591 --> 01:47:52,880

Okay.

:

01:47:53,871 --> 01:47:57,441

Well, okay, so the thing is a

major departure from the movies

:

01:47:57,441 --> 01:48:00,081

that we've covered so far on

retro made with Kurt and Patrick.

:

01:48:00,261 --> 01:48:05,761

So I'd say it was a fun change of

scenery and while I very much wanna visit

:

01:48:05,931 --> 01:48:11,261

Antarctica, like legit, wanna do one of

those Antarctica voyages, I definitely

:

01:48:11,431 --> 01:48:13,421

don't wanna go to escape the thing.

:

01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:18,141

So we now return to present day

reality until the next retro episode.

:

01:48:19,001 --> 01:48:21,101

Zoe, such a pleasure.

:

01:48:21,141 --> 01:48:24,781

was so much fun talking about:

with you and the interesting journey,

:

01:48:25,121 --> 01:48:26,941

um, that the thing was for both of us.

:

01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:30,981

Do you have any closing thoughts

or places that we can find you?

:

01:48:33,136 --> 01:48:37,186

Zo Richardson: Well, my closing thoughts

as to the thing, it's a movie that you

:

01:48:37,186 --> 01:48:38,585

asked me what movies I wanna watch.

:

01:48:38,666 --> 01:48:40,306

I was like, well, let me watch the thing.

:

01:48:40,306 --> 01:48:40,626

Since

:

01:48:40,696 --> 01:48:43,106

I've never seen it, people

have always talked about it

:

01:48:43,566 --> 01:48:44,906

and I've never got to see it.

:

01:48:44,925 --> 01:48:50,626

So I'm glad that I got to see it

because now I can now I understand

:

01:48:51,046 --> 01:48:54,496

the movie that so many people

were talking about when they talk

:

01:48:54,496 --> 01:48:55,736

about watching the thing.

:

01:48:56,196 --> 01:49:00,386

So that is, I'm glad that

I was able to watch it, so

:

01:49:00,386 --> 01:49:01,386

thank you for that invitation.

:

01:49:02,116 --> 01:49:06,376

and as far as where people can

find me, You can find me at

:

01:49:06,376 --> 01:49:08,776

the website@backlinkcinema.com.

:

01:49:08,776 --> 01:49:10,976

That's where I have all

of my links and whatnot.

:

01:49:11,716 --> 01:49:17,456

And specifically, my Twitter slash

TikTok is at Backlink Cinema.

:

01:49:17,956 --> 01:49:22,896

Now, not a lot of stuff on TikTok

right now, but now that I'm ramping the

:

01:49:22,896 --> 01:49:24,616

podcast stuff, I'm gonna start doing

:

01:49:24,966 --> 01:49:26,216

some original content

:

01:49:26,276 --> 01:49:26,896

for TikTok.

:

01:49:27,116 --> 01:49:29,606

At least for as long as

the government allows

:

01:49:29,626 --> 01:49:29,846

it.

:

01:49:30,596 --> 01:49:30,886

Also

:

01:49:32,356 --> 01:49:32,646

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:49:32,646 --> 01:49:33,846

And what's Twitter these days?

:

01:49:33,876 --> 01:49:35,005

What is it even a thing?

:

01:49:35,116 --> 01:49:35,696

I'm teasing.

:

01:49:35,696 --> 01:49:36,216

I'm teasing.

:

01:49:36,366 --> 01:49:37,216

Zo Richardson: No, it's still around.

:

01:49:37,286 --> 01:49:39,736

It's still kicking What are the

other places they can find me?

:

01:49:40,255 --> 01:49:40,616

Facebook and

:

01:49:40,796 --> 01:49:41,016

ig.

:

01:49:41,276 --> 01:49:43,255

You can find me on Bacl Cinema.

:

01:49:44,036 --> 01:49:44,526

Podcast.

:

01:49:45,216 --> 01:49:47,675

And also I have a Threads

account, which is connected to

:

01:49:47,936 --> 01:49:49,636

the IG account, so that's also

:

01:49:49,976 --> 01:49:50,556

at BCL

:

01:49:50,716 --> 01:49:52,136

Katie: You even have a threads account.

:

01:49:52,206 --> 01:49:52,776

Look at you.

:

01:49:53,686 --> 01:49:53,976

Zo Richardson: yeah.

:

01:49:53,976 --> 01:49:59,616

Just, jumping on all the new ones,

for most people a Threads account

:

01:49:59,616 --> 01:50:01,136

is just a backup in case Twitter

:

01:50:01,136 --> 01:50:01,656

goes down.

:

01:50:01,835 --> 01:50:02,326

Katie: awesome.

:

01:50:02,436 --> 01:50:06,326

Well, I think that if anybody likes

retro made, I assuming if you're

:

01:50:06,326 --> 01:50:10,005

listening or watching to this right now,

you'll also like backlog cinema, and

:

01:50:10,026 --> 01:50:13,606

I'm very excited for some of the new

episodes that you have, On the horizon.

:

01:50:14,425 --> 01:50:16,846

and thank you all for

listening or watching.

:

01:50:16,846 --> 01:50:18,766

Please give us a rating and a review.

:

01:50:19,436 --> 01:50:21,606

Keep those YouTube likes

and comments coming.

:

01:50:21,666 --> 01:50:24,726

It really is helpful for

other people finding the show.

:

01:50:24,826 --> 01:50:28,526

So reviews and commenting and liking

and all that stuff is very helpful.

:

01:50:29,066 --> 01:50:31,286

You can also, as I mentioned

earlier, if you wanna send

:

01:50:31,646 --> 01:50:33,726

me an email, you can do that.

:

01:50:33,946 --> 01:50:36,556

send it to Retro Made podcast@gmail.com.

:

01:50:37,056 --> 01:50:40,516

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Your pop culture rewind
Welcome to the Retromade Podcast, where we take a nostalgic trip down memory lane and explore the best of the 80s and 90s pop culture.

Join us as we dive into the iconic movies, TV shows, music, fashion, cartoons, toys, and other cultural trends that defined these two decades. From the classic coming-of-age films of John Hughes to the unforgettable TV shows like The Cosby Show, Cheers, The Golden Girls, Friends, and Seinfeld; we’ll explore the moments that shaped our childhoods and continue to resonate with us today.

Get ready to reminisce about the music that dominated the charts, from the hair metal of Guns N’ Roses to the pop hits of Madonna and Michael Jackson. We’ll also take a look at the fads and trends that defined the era, from the neon colors of fashion to the boombox on every street corner.

But it’s not just about the big names and big moments. We’ll also dive deep into the lesser-known corners of 80s and 90s culture, from cult classic movies like The Breakfast Club and Big Trouble in Little China to underground bands that never quite made it big. And of course, we can’t forget the deliciously retro snacks & cereals that were a staple of our childhoods.

Join us as we explore the pop culture of the past, and discover how it still shapes our lives today. Whether you’re a child of the 80s, 90s, or just a fan of retro culture, this podcast is for you. So grab a slice of pizza, put on your favorite band t-shirt, and tune in to the Retromade Podcast.
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