Red Dawn | S1E11

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Hello, hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

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Retro Made, your pop culture rewind.

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Let's take another trip down memory lane.

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Today, we travel back to August of

: 1984

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thriller, starring Patrick Swayze and

many other familiar faces in Red Dawn.

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I'm delighted to have Dr.

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Darian Parker with me today.

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Dr.

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Parker is the co owner of Epic Leisure

Management, the owner of Parker

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personal training and the host of Dr.

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D's social network podcast.

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And I was actually even honored

to guest on that podcast to

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talk all things eighties.

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Darian, thank you so much for joining me.

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Tell us more about you and your show.

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Well, thank you for having me, Katie.

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I really appreciate it.

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And I think we connected really well

on my show because I have a segment

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every couple of weeks where it's

called arbor is a bad taste, but

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it's actually just kind of a play.

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It's a good thing about 80s movies that

maybe obscure or that we just loved.

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It's a friend of mine when I do that

as part of my podcast universe and it's

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just a good, fun time to talk about.

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The movies that influenced us during

the 80s and how that made us feel

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and then actually how that kind of

extrapolates to our current life.

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You know, when you watch a movie,

when you're 10, it's different than

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when you're like 40, you get a lot

different themes out of it clearly.

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And in Red Dawn was one of those.

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Movies with that, but yeah, my

podcast is just all over the place.

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Lots of different people,

different walks of life.

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And while I fitness is my profession,

I like to do a lot of other things.

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And my podcast is just kind of my canvas

for painting and understanding all the

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different things that happen in life.

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That is a really great way to put it.

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And I, I very much enjoy the

variety that you have on your show.

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But I will say a particular.

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Note is the arbiters of bad taste.

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That's great.

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So I hope everyone checks it out.

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Let's get into that retro frame of mind.

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Speaking of by opening the

time capsule from August,: 1984

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So, I have vague memories of some

of these things because I was pretty

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small at the time, but it appears

to be a huge season for your prime

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time soaps of the 80s of seems to

be what was happening at the time.

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So, according to Nielsen ratings

from the 83 to 84 season,

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the top shows were Dallas.

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Dynasty the a team Simon and Simon.

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Had you heard of Simon and Simon before?

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Yes, I've heard of Simon and Simon.

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I was a big 18 person.

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Very much.

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Okay.

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18.

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Yeah, so Simon and Simon, you

had been familiar with it.

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I was not.

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Yes, I was.

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I mean, it didn't.

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Watch much of it, but I I was big 18.

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I was all about the 18 because Mr.

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T was my guy.

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And I was totally into that time period.

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And then the, the soap operas, my mom

watched all of those dynasty, Dallas,

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and I caught a few myself, actually.

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There's a few more.

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So like I, so for viewers that or

listeners who don't know what Simon

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and Simon was, I didn't either.

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It was a crime drama show revolving

around polar opposite Simon brothers.

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That run a private investigating agency

in San Diego during the eighties and

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their contrasting approaches to, you

know, how they approach things led

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to lots of personality conflicts and,

you know, I suppose comedy ensues.

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But we also have, so the

A team then also Magnum P.

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I.

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Did you watch Magnum P.

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I.?

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Magnum PI, Tom Selleck, for sure.

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Definitely check that out.

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That mustache, and didn't he

have a super cool car too?

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Very super cool car.

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I think the mustache

was like the big thing.

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Like he had this big bushy mustache.

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It was kind of like Tom Selleck's.

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Like signature look is that mustache

and everything he's done, you know?

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Yeah, agreed.

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It is his signature.

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The A team I'm familiar with,

but honestly, I don't know if

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I've seen an episode, but Mr.

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T will forever be Clubber Lang to

me from the Rocky series, you know?

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On, on my show, we reviewed Rocky

three and we talked extensively about

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Clever Lang and you know, maybe the

most famous line of that movie movie

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is what's your prediction pain pain.

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Oh, it's so good.

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His 1 liners are epic in that.

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He's just got a presence.

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Mr.

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T.

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Yeah.

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Then there's also in the top prime time.

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So, yeah, all these.

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All these soaps, Falcon Crest, another

soap, Kate, Kate and Allie was actually

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one of the few like sitcoms and I

vaguely remember this with Jane Curtin.

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Did you watch that?

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No, this one escapes me.

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I don't remember this one.

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It was like two single moms.

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I think maybe they'd been

divorced or perhaps widowed.

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And they live together, they share

a house with them and their kids.

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I, I can sort of, I feel like I watched

it, but I'm not describing it very well.

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And I don't remember which, if

Jane Curtin was Kate or Allie.

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Listeners, please tell me if you

watched Kate and Allie, then rounding

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out the top Nielsen rated shows, Hotel.

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Had you heard of Hotel?

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Hotel?

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What's that?

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Yeah, it's another prime time soap.

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This one, let's see, it was

produced by Aaron Spelling.

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And it's set in a fictitious San Francisco

hotel, following the activities of

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the guests and the lives of the staff.

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That actually kind of sounds

interesting, but I hadn't heard of it.

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I definitely never heard of that,

but Erin Spelling has done a lot of I

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actually just watched a show that was

all about it's like dark side of the 90s.

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And it was all about, like, a lot of shows

that came out under Aaron Spelling and

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this one, Teens for TV, it was a whole

thing, but it just made me think of that.

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Yeah, he did a lot of teen dramas, like

: 90210

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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That sounds interesting.

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It was a huge amount of them.

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Yeah, it's really good.

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It just takes you on the rewind machine.

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You're like, oh, I didn't realize

this was as big as it was.

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Party of Five and all these things.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Aaron Spelling.

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Wow.

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Knott's Landing was yet another.

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I'd heard of that 1, at

least, but I've never seen it.

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I mean, the vast majority of these

are these prime time soaps and this

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was a spin off of Dallas apparently

centered around the lives of 4

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married 4 married couples in an L.

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A.

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suburb.

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So 1983.

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Big year for soap operas.

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Yeah.

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Soap operas were huge.

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I mean, I, I remember my parents,

my mom, especially watching

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all those different shows.

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I, I saw a few of them here and

there, but it was definitely like,

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I remember it even Knotts Landing.

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I remember that as well, because

my mom was so into that stuff,

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yeah, because there was also, I see, I

feel like it was also the kind of the

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height of the daytime soap opera as well.

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So, I guess the housewives of the day

got, got their fill of soap operas.

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That's right.

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Did you watch Saturday

morning cartoons at this time?

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Yes, I was deeply into Voltron.

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Deeply into Voltron.

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And I can't remember if

Transformers was Saturday.

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This probably was Saturday, too.

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And then there was, like,

gosh, I can't remember.

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It was, like, Silver,

Hawks, something like that.

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I mean, I was into a lot of

different Saturday morning shows.

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It looks like the, the ones

for this particular season some

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of the big ones was Snorks.

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I've heard of it, but I hadn't seen it.

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I'm pretty little.

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So Smurfs, of course.

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Awesome.

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Did you please tell me

you liked the Smurfs?

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I loved Smurfs.

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I was all over that.

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Yeah.

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Muppet babies, Alvin and the chipmunks.

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I remember really liking that.

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Theodore and Simon, Bugs

Bunny and the Roadrunner show.

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And then on Sundays, the Captain Kangaroo.

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I've never seen Captain Kangaroo.

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Have you?

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I never watched it.

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I heard, I, I heard of it like you,

but I definitely never watched it.

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Okay.

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And then midday, right up your alley

is there was a show just called Mr.

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T.

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I don't know if it was a cartoon

or if it was like a live action.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I didn't see that.

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Maybe, maybe it didn't last that long.

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I don't know.

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Well, that is the thing

in doing this show.

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I have learned that especially

cartoons, there, there were a lot of

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them that were run for one season.

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So I see.

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Yeah.

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Selling us toys and stuff.

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Also the incredible Hulk.

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I loved that show with Lou Ferrigno.

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Loved it.

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I watched it too.

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Most definitely.

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Definitely.

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I, I need to maybe try and find that.

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I have good memories of it.

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I wonder if it's actually good or not.

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You know what I mean?

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I'm not sure.

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It's good.

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Honestly, thinking back.

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I don't think it's good.

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I have to just I watched

some clips of it on YouTube.

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Not that long ago.

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And I was like, wow, this

isn't that great as an adult.

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That doesn't surprise me.

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I feel like that happens a fair

amount when I revisit things and then

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American Bandstand is another midday

show in like, around the early 80s.

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Did you watch that?

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I did watch that.

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Yeah, I was a big TV viewer.

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I mean, I couldn't get enough of

TV, you know, I really liked TV

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too, but I somehow missed American

bandstand or were you like more into

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wrestling at like around this time?

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All of it.

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I feel like most of this stuff I

was into like, but there's some

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of it like the hotel and this Mr.

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T I'm like, how did I miss that?

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Maybe it was just timing,

but it just came and went.

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But a lot of this stuff you're mentioning.

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I'm like, oh yeah, I was

definitely, I definitely watched it.

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Yeah.

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You know, at least a

couple of times for sure.

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So the top 10 billboards this

th,: 1984

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Do you have any guesses

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So August,: 1984

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It's from a movie.

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I'd be shocked if you got it, but.

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I thought maybe you'd have a guess.

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I have no clue.

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Literally no clue.

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Ghostbusters.

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Oh.

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From the Ghostbusters movie.

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It's wild that that song made it,

like, it's a number one billboard.

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How did that happen?

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Who was the artist?

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Was it like Roy Parker Jr.

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or something like that or?

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Ray Parker Jr.

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Ray Parker Jr.

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Yeah.

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Good memory.

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Good recall on that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But, I mean, I guess it was just

big, but the song is terrible.

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I mean, I don't know.

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It's a stupid song.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's nothing good about that song.

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It's just, it's great for the movie.

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Right.

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But why would it be number

one on the billboard?

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It's great.

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I feel like that happened

a lot in the 80s too.

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Tons of stuff from the movies made it.

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You know, kind of crossed into the top

music charts to like, how many Kenny

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Loggins songs were on the billboards?

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Perfect example.

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Good call Kenny Loggins.

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Yeah, I would never buy a Kenny

Loggins album ever, but you know, he

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sold like crazy amounts of albums.

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It's unbelievable how many albums he sold.

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Yeah, and it is from movies.

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Yeah, from movies.

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Yeah.

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He had one, I think for over the top too.

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Oh, great.

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I just, we reviewed that movie.

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I know.

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I listened to it because I love it.

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I love it.

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Love that movie.

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Oh, it's so good.

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Okay.

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Before we go down that rabbit

hole, number two, number two this

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week was Prince's When Doves Cry.

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Love it.

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That's valid.

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State of Shock by the

Jacksons is number three.

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I can't picture what this is.

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Yes, you know, I, I know the name.

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I think I would have to, there's a

lot of bands during that time that

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I like didn't remember their, like

I hear the song and I'm like, who

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actually, what's the name of it?

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And it's wacky names of stuff, you know.

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Tina Turner's What's Love Got

To Do With It is number four.

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Oh my God, that song is so good.

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So good.

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Man, she just passed

away not that long ago.

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Yeah, like last month or so.

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Yeah, she was an icon.

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Huge of the, of the eighties and I did she

was one where, when I, I talked about in

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the 1981 episode with MTV being born, she

was one of those artists that really her

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career got a big resurgence by really you

know, taking hold of the, the video genre.

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And so in the eighties,

she got a big resurgence.

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Big with Mad Max too, I think, you

know, it was like another thing for

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Tina Turner and yeah, another hero.

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I mean, just, just some

big songs, you know,

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Elton John has the number

five song with sad songs.

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Oh, interesting.

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Yeah.

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I don't know why I can't

picture that either.

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Then six is a stuck on

you by Lionel Richie.

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I was never a Lionel Richie fan.

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I don't know what it is about him.

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That just, that sound is funny.

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I'm going It isn't for me either.

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Honestly, my father in law literally

loves Lionel Richie and a weird story.

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He used to listen to it when he was

a truck driver and he used to listen

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to Ryan Lionel Richie all the time

during the truck drives, but I honestly

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didn't think he could sing that well.

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I know this sounds bad, but I

just, I'm like, I don't know.

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It's this, I never liked

dancing on the ceiling.

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I just, I just thought,

eh, it seems cheesy to me.

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Yeah, I, same.

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We're, we're on the same page there.

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I think he's kind of an overrated artist.

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I agree.

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A lot of people will disagree

with that, but I, I never saw it.

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I never, but I do, I do see

Bruce Springsteen's dancing in

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the dark, which is number seven.

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Okay.

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He had, he was big in the early eighties.

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I feel like.

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Huge, huge.

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Born to Run was incredible.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That, I think it's Dancing

in the Dark is the video with

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Courtney Cox coming up on stage.

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Like kind of the beginning of her career.

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Number nine is Infatuation by Rod Stewart.

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And number, yeah.

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Number 10 is Sunglasses

at Night by Corey Hart.

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I hate this song.

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I hate it.

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That's such a bad song,

but it's so catchy.

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It is.

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Like the music and stuff.

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It's bad though.

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: 00:15:33

Yeah, it is bad.

354

: 00:15:34

It's, yeah.

355

: 00:15:35

Catchy but bad.

356

: 00:15:37

In a bad way.

357

: 00:15:37

Yeah.

358

: 00:15:38

Yeah.

359

: 00:15:39

So that rounds out the music the

news and events for August of: 1984

360

: 00:15:44

There's a lot of Olympics stuff.

361

: 00:15:47

So I think it was in Los Angeles,

LA, Los Angeles Olympics.

362

: 00:15:52

Yeah.

363

: 00:15:53

So there's a fair number of records.

364

: 00:15:56

Mary Lou Retton scores a 10 for her

final vault to win the individual

365

: 00:16:01

all around competition in LA and

becomes the first American woman

366

: 00:16:05

to win an Olympic gymnastics medal.

367

: 00:16:08

Dude, really?

368

: 00:16:09

Wow.

369

: 00:16:10

Why did it take that long?

370

: 00:16:12

I don't know.

371

: 00:16:13

I didn't, I don't think I realized that.

372

: 00:16:15

That's cool.

373

: 00:16:16

Huh.

374

: 00:16:17

Carl Lewis wins, he's all over

like he wins the 100 meter and 9.

375

: 00:16:24

9 seconds, which is the first

of nine Olympic gold medals over

376

: 00:16:29

three games in this same games.

377

: 00:16:32

He also wins gold for long jump the

200 meter and the 4 by 100 meter relay.

378

: 00:16:39

Carl Lewis.

379

: 00:16:39

I actually remember in grade

school hearing about him.

380

: 00:16:43

Yeah, I was a, I was a college track

and field athlete, so I know all

381

: 00:16:48

about 84 Olympics was just amazing.

382

: 00:16:54

And I remember thinking I mean, I

was really little, but I remember

383

: 00:16:57

watching and thinking, man, what is

my, my parents love watching it too.

384

: 00:17:01

And I was so pumped when it came

back to the United States in

385

: 00:17:04

1996, which is another great year.

386

: 00:17:08

I was just an incredible year.

387

: 00:17:11

In Atlanta, and so I, I kind of always

have those bookends for me with that.

388

: 00:17:17

I like that the Olympics, I feel, I

remember, I have vivid memories of

389

: 00:17:21

it being such an event because there

wasn't so much, I guess there was only

390

: 00:17:26

so many channels and this overtook

all of the like network channels.

391

: 00:17:29

And so as a world.

392

: 00:17:33

We were watching the Olympics

and it's not as big of a deal.

393

: 00:17:38

It seems like now, yeah, I

think people are distracted.

394

: 00:17:41

There's so many other things going

on and it's kind of sad because,

395

: 00:17:45

you know, these are athletes who.

396

: 00:17:47

Toy on obscurity pretty much for most

of the public and then this is their

397

: 00:17:52

shot and it's really incredible.

398

: 00:17:54

I mean, this past Olympics, I was

pumped to watch like skateboarding and

399

: 00:17:58

surfing and all these different things.

400

: 00:18:01

It's just, you know, getting exposed to

things you don't see, but it was big time.

401

: 00:18:06

TV viewing in the 80s,

the Olympics gigantic.

402

: 00:18:09

Yeah, I especially and I still do.

403

: 00:18:12

I really like the ice skating and the

gymnastics portions of the Olympics.

404

: 00:18:16

Yeah.

405

: 00:18:17

Yeah.

406

: 00:18:19

Let's see.

407

: 00:18:19

Also August of 1984 is Prince's Purple

Rain album goes number one and it

408

: 00:18:25

stays there for guess how many weeks?

409

: 00:18:28

Oh, 30 weeks.

410

: 00:18:31

Close.

411

: 00:18:31

24 weeks.

412

: 00:18:33

That's crazy.

413

: 00:18:34

That's actually, and one of

my favorite hours, half of the

414

: 00:18:38

year, he was at number one.

415

: 00:18:40

Yeah, that's, that's an incredible album.

416

: 00:18:42

Love me some prints.

417

: 00:18:45

Indeed.

418

: 00:18:45

Yeah.

419

: 00:18:45

He's another huge icon.

420

: 00:18:48

IBM also releases their PC DOS version 3.

421

: 00:18:54

0 84 high tech, baby.

422

: 00:18:56

High tech, high tech.

423

: 00:18:59

Pete Rose returns to the Cincinnati

Reds as a player and manager.

424

: 00:19:05

Yeah.

425

: 00:19:06

Are you a baseball fan?

426

: 00:19:08

I was a huge baseball fan in the 80s not

anymore but I definitely remember that.

427

: 00:19:13

And then obviously Pete knows is very,

Pete Rose is very much known for gambling

428

: 00:19:18

on baseball and never being accepted into

the baseball hall of fame, the whole deal.

429

: 00:19:23

So Pete Rose was very big

at one point in the news.

430

: 00:19:27

I remember hearing about that, but I

don't recall him as a baseball player.

431

: 00:19:32

I mean, I'm like 3 years old at this

time, but I, I, does that happen?

432

: 00:19:37

I, I guess I, the fact that he was a

player and manager seemed of significance.

433

: 00:19:44

It's very rare for something

like that to happen.

434

: 00:19:46

Yeah.

435

: 00:19:48

Richard Burton dies of a cerebral

hemorrhage at, he was only 58.

436

: 00:19:56

Also Truman Capote dies

of liver cancer at 59.

437

: 00:19:59

So those two, people died in August of 84.

438

: 00:20:03

And then, so Red Dawn, the movie

we're going to be covering was

439

: 00:20:07

the number three box office.

440

: 00:20:09

It was number three at the

box office for August of: 1984

441

: 00:20:13

But some of the other really big

movie releases at the box office

442

: 00:20:17

was of course, Ghostbusters.

443

: 00:20:20

Yeah, purple rain.

444

: 00:20:22

I kind of forgot that was a movie.

445

: 00:20:24

I wasn't into that movie.

446

: 00:20:26

No, I didn't think it was very good.

447

: 00:20:30

Tight rope, which I

don't know what that is.

448

: 00:20:32

Do you know what tight rope?

449

: 00:20:33

What is that?

450

: 00:20:34

You're like, you have, you're like

the encyclopedia of eighties movies.

451

: 00:20:37

I thought maybe you'd know.

452

: 00:20:38

Yeah, I, I just that is,

I don't know what that is.

453

: 00:20:41

Who was in that?

454

: 00:20:42

I mean, yeah, I should have looked

at, I should have looked that

455

: 00:20:45

up, but it was the number four.

456

: 00:20:49

At the box office this month.

457

: 00:20:52

Wild.

458

: 00:20:53

Yeah.

459

: 00:20:53

The Karate Kid, which was

a great movie of the 80s.

460

: 00:20:57

Great movie.

461

: 00:20:57

Great movie.

462

: 00:20:59

And then we have, I think

maybe one of your favorite

463

: 00:21:02

movies, Revenge of the Nerds.

464

: 00:21:04

Oh my gosh.

465

: 00:21:05

I mean, it's, it's probably

my, my wife's favorite movie.

466

: 00:21:08

And she, that is baseballs.

467

: 00:21:10

Yeah.

468

: 00:21:10

Oh my gosh.

469

: 00:21:11

Like Revenge of the Nerds.

470

: 00:21:13

I mean, talk about, super classic movie.

471

: 00:21:18

I mean, I have clients that

still talk to me about that.

472

: 00:21:20

Like during our sessions, I quote,

that was a big movie quoter.

473

: 00:21:24

Like my mom always says, you and

your brother, you just quote eighties

474

: 00:21:27

movies and like stuff and movies.

475

: 00:21:29

I'm like, there's just so

many quotable lines for movies

476

: 00:21:32

in the eighties, especially.

477

: 00:21:33

Yeah.

478

: 00:21:34

Yeah.

479

: 00:21:34

Yeah.

480

: 00:21:35

Yeah.

481

: 00:21:35

I mean, and then rounding out

like the top is gremlins also.

482

: 00:21:40

So Augusta had some huge movies.

483

: 00:21:43

What a movie.

484

: 00:21:44

I mean, it, I mean, I'm mixed on how

the quality of the movie, but I remember

485

: 00:21:47

as a child, I enjoyed it, you know,

I think I rewatched it this Halloween

486

: 00:21:53

and I still thought it was pretty good.

487

: 00:21:56

I think I'm going to rewatch it.

488

: 00:21:57

Yeah, rewatch it.

489

: 00:21:59

Quite good.

490

: 00:22:01

Okay.

491

: 00:22:02

So.

492

: 00:22:03

Today's movie that we're going to

be covering is: 1984

493

: 00:22:08

which features our Everyman.

494

: 00:22:10

So my first season, if you're

unaware, is about the Everymen,

495

: 00:22:14

Kurt, Russell, and Patrick Swayze.

496

: 00:22:16

Do you have any thoughts or

fandoms that you want to share

497

: 00:22:19

about either one of them?

498

: 00:22:21

Well, you know, I think that Patrick

Swayze, one, Definitely gone too soon.

499

: 00:22:27

I mean, I was a big Swayze fan.

500

: 00:22:30

Strangely enough, I

wasn't that into Ghost.

501

: 00:22:34

A lot of people love that movie.

502

: 00:22:36

I don't know, something about it

for me I wasn't that into, but

503

: 00:22:40

A lot of his catalog was great.

504

: 00:22:42

All the way up through To Wong Foo.

505

: 00:22:44

I mean, it's just like,

what range as an actor?

506

: 00:22:48

Just incredible range, a very serious

actor too, very serious and very athletic.

507

: 00:22:57

Like just could, could do

a lot of different things.

508

: 00:22:59

Tough, but also I think sensitive, kind

of the tough sensitive could be both.

509

: 00:23:04

That's why we love him.

510

: 00:23:05

That's why he has it.

511

: 00:23:07

Yes.

512

: 00:23:07

Yes.

513

: 00:23:07

Yes.

514

: 00:23:08

And Kurt Russell.

515

: 00:23:09

Amazing.

516

: 00:23:10

I mean, Kurt Russell has

done so many great movies.

517

: 00:23:13

Actually, I was just reading up about him.

518

: 00:23:14

Very interesting guy.

519

: 00:23:16

Very different type of guy.

520

: 00:23:18

Yeah.

521

: 00:23:18

But I just, I just, I can remember being

a little kid and watching big trouble and

522

: 00:23:24

little China that was really into that.

523

: 00:23:27

Me too.

524

: 00:23:27

Came from New York after the, I

mean, that was well before me,

525

: 00:23:30

but it's like, I watched that.

526

: 00:23:32

And I just thought it

was like another, like.

527

: 00:23:35

Tough guy, funny, funny too, could play

funny, could be like an overboard, could

528

: 00:23:40

be so funny, and endearing, and just,

just, I think two iconic actors of that

529

: 00:23:47

time, just super iconic, and Red Dawn, I

just think, is Swayze was amazing in that

530

: 00:23:54

and, and I probably, I think of interest

is, I think it was Charlie Sheen's for a

531

: 00:23:57

movie to maybe, or it was, yes, it was.

532

: 00:24:00

Yeah.

533

: 00:24:02

Yeah.

534

: 00:24:03

So I love how you teed up that,

that both Patrick and Kurt

535

: 00:24:06

are just like amazing actors.

536

: 00:24:09

Yes.

537

: 00:24:10

Do you think that they.

538

: 00:24:12

Resemble each other at all.

539

: 00:24:17

Not necessarily, but I have to

tell you, this is kind of weird.

540

: 00:24:20

My business partner for

one of my businesses looks

541

: 00:24:22

exactly like Kurt Russell.

542

: 00:24:24

I'm talking exactly.

543

: 00:24:25

He gets, he literally gets every

time someone meets and they go, you

544

: 00:24:29

literally look like Kurt Russell.

545

: 00:24:31

Like the eyes, the structure.

546

: 00:24:34

Is he married?

547

: 00:24:35

Can you fix me up?

548

: 00:24:35

No, I'm just kidding.

549

: 00:24:36

He is not married by the way.

550

: 00:24:38

He is single.

551

: 00:24:41

But he literally has like his eyes

and his structure like it's weird.

552

: 00:24:45

Oh, that it's very freaky.

553

: 00:24:49

Well, that's awesome.

554

: 00:24:51

First of all, like a real, like a

real person that looks so similar.

555

: 00:24:56

Yeah.

556

: 00:24:58

But you don't think they look like

yeah, you're men don't see it.

557

: 00:25:02

But I, I mean, I just think they have a

very similar look in their bone structure

558

: 00:25:09

and their hair and their builds and their

every man, every person kind of a way.

559

: 00:25:14

So, all right.

560

: 00:25:16

These are your guys.

561

: 00:25:17

I can sense there's an attraction there.

562

: 00:25:19

There's, these are, these

are, these are your guys.

563

: 00:25:21

Yeah, but I put them together for

more than, you know, I just, I do

564

: 00:25:24

think they both have that every

man quality and they're both like

565

: 00:25:27

very attractive, but not in a.

566

: 00:25:30

Intimidating way, you

know, I agree with that.

567

: 00:25:33

Actually, you know, I think with like

anybody for me Can I sit down and

568

: 00:25:38

have a fun conversation, have a beer

cocktail at this party, whatever.

569

: 00:25:42

Can I, can I, I feel like I could

with those two, like it'd be fun.

570

: 00:25:45

Like I could be in Roadhouse with

Patrick Swayze and I, he could

571

: 00:25:49

be there standing at the bar.

572

: 00:25:51

We could chat about whatever, you know,

same thing with Kurt Russell, you know?

573

: 00:25:54

Yep.

574

: 00:25:55

That's a good way of putting it.

575

: 00:25:56

Other guests have mentioned like the

having a beer quality with about them.

576

: 00:26:00

Yeah.

577

: 00:26:01

So awesome.

578

: 00:26:03

Well, we're about to get into the movie.

579

: 00:26:10

Let's let's get into Red Dawn.

580

: 00:26:13

Do you remember when you first saw it?

581

: 00:26:15

And then you just recently revisited it.

582

: 00:26:17

I, I would guess for sure.

583

: 00:26:21

I do remember watching it.

584

: 00:26:22

I don't remember like exact moment

in time when I, during that time.

585

: 00:26:27

I was like 6 or 7.

586

: 00:26:29

When that, when I came out, but I have a

very vivid memory of just like the school

587

: 00:26:38

you know, and then the beginning and

stuff and, and just the the intensity, I

588

: 00:26:43

think as an adult, that's what I remember.

589

: 00:26:45

I can verbalize now as an adult,

but not as a child, as like

590

: 00:26:49

the intensity of the movie.

591

: 00:26:50

I felt like the intensity.

592

: 00:26:52

And in many ways, it's a coming of age

film and a political film and a, and war.

593

: 00:26:58

But it's, it's, it's just like.

594

: 00:27:01

I remember like, wow, that would be weird.

595

: 00:27:04

Like, that would be really strange.

596

: 00:27:05

Yeah.

597

: 00:27:06

Yeah.

598

: 00:27:06

Intense is definitely fits it for sure.

599

: 00:27:10

And it's actually kind of

fitting that we're covering.

600

: 00:27:13

So listeners Darian has is a recently.

601

: 00:27:18

He's now a Coloradan and I am too.

602

: 00:27:21

And this movie is set in Colorado.

603

: 00:27:24

So it's kind of perfect

that we're talking about.

604

: 00:27:25

Yeah.

605

: 00:27:27

so As I mentioned, this was

th,: 1984

606

: 00:27:30

It was rated PG 13, which was

actually, this is the first

607

: 00:27:34

movie to have that rating.

608

: 00:27:36

I didn't know that.

609

: 00:27:36

Yeah.

610

: 00:27:36

That is crazy.

611

: 00:27:39

First movie released with

the MPAA PG 13 rating.

612

: 00:27:44

Wow.

613

: 00:27:45

Yeah.

614

: 00:27:46

IMDb is a 6.

615

: 00:27:47

3.

616

: 00:27:49

The director is John Milius,

who's known for Apocalypse

617

: 00:27:55

Now and Conan the Barbarian.

618

: 00:27:57

And it totally makes sense.

619

: 00:27:59

This movie has a, it

has that feel for sure.

620

: 00:28:03

It really does.

621

: 00:28:04

Yeah.

622

: 00:28:06

And so John Milius he's

one of the writers.

623

: 00:28:09

On this, the other is Kevin

Reynolds, who directed Waterworld

624

: 00:28:14

and Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.

625

: 00:28:17

Wow.

626

: 00:28:19

Yeah, so he must be a Kevin Costner guy.

627

: 00:28:21

Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel

about those movies, honestly.

628

: 00:28:24

I remember, I do remember

really liking Robin Hood,

629

: 00:28:27

Prince of Thieves, 30 years, so.

630

: 00:28:30

Yeah.

631

: 00:28:31

You know, who knows.

632

: 00:28:33

So, the cast, we of course

have our Patrick Swayze.

633

: 00:28:36

That's right.

634

: 00:28:38

He's Jed Eckert, see Thomas

Howell plays Robert and they, there

635

: 00:28:43

were four people in this movie

that were also in The Outsiders.

636

: 00:28:49

I love the outsiders.

637

: 00:28:50

That was 83.

638

: 00:28:52

So just yeah, like a little while later.

639

: 00:28:55

See Thomas Howell obviously

was in the outsiders.

640

: 00:28:58

Leah Thompson plays Erica in this movie.

641

: 00:29:01

And as you mentioned, this is

Charlie Sheen's 1st role and he plays

642

: 00:29:05

Matt and he and Jed are brothers.

643

: 00:29:08

So Charlie Sheen and Patrick

Swayze are brothers in this movie.

644

: 00:29:11

Darren Dalton plays Daryl and

he was also in the outsiders.

645

: 00:29:15

He played 1 of the socials.

646

: 00:29:18

I don't know if you recognized him or not.

647

: 00:29:20

I did.

648

: 00:29:21

Yeah.

649

: 00:29:21

Yeah.

650

: 00:29:22

Jennifer Grey as Tony.

651

: 00:29:24

And so there's lots of little, little

whine Finding threads in this movie.

652

: 00:29:28

So obviously Patrick and Jennifer go

on to star together in dirty dancing.

653

: 00:29:34

And he, as I, yeah, I talked about

in the dirty dancing episode.

654

: 00:29:37

He really pushed for Jennifer to be in it,

even though she didn't like, they must not

655

: 00:29:42

have had the best time with each other.

656

: 00:29:43

They didn't like each other.

657

: 00:29:44

Yeah, no, I, I watched a

whole documentary on this.

658

: 00:29:47

It was very contentious the whole time.

659

: 00:29:51

And part of that is because

Patrick stayed in character.

660

: 00:29:55

As this militant leader of the teenage

group, so he acted sort of that way.

661

: 00:30:00

And then I also read that John Milius,

he gave the actors notes through

662

: 00:30:06

Patrick Swayze to, to give to the cast.

663

: 00:30:10

So Patrick said that didn't make him

very popular either, you know, getting

664

: 00:30:16

their direction directing notes.

665

: 00:30:18

Yeah let's see who else do we have here?

666

: 00:30:21

We have Brad Savage plays Danny.

667

: 00:30:24

He's not otherwise well known.

668

: 00:30:25

Same with Doug Tobey as Aardvark.

669

: 00:30:28

Ben Johnson plays Mr.

670

: 00:30:30

Mason and he apparently was

like kind of a big deal in the

671

: 00:30:35

stuntman and horse wrangling world.

672

: 00:30:38

And he was a double for stars, such as

John Wayne, Gary Cooper and James Stewart,

673

: 00:30:47

and he actually won a supporting he

won an Oscar for best supporting actor.

674

: 00:30:52

In 1971, the last picture show, I didn't

recognize him, so I'm not, yeah, I've,

675

: 00:30:57

I've not seen the last picture show.

676

: 00:30:59

So and then we have Harry Dean Stanton

who plays the Jed and Matt's brother, Mr.

677

: 00:31:04

Eckert.

678

: 00:31:07

He's super well known.

679

: 00:31:09

Let's see he was in pretty and

pink escape from New York alien,

680

: 00:31:13

the Avengers, the green mile.

681

: 00:31:16

And I most recently recognized

him from he's in the TV series.

682

: 00:31:21

Big love.

683

: 00:31:22

Did you watch that?

684

: 00:31:23

Oh, Big Love.

685

: 00:31:23

Yeah.

686

: 00:31:24

Yeah.

687

: 00:31:25

He was in that.

688

: 00:31:27

Then we have Ron O'Neill, who plays Bella.

689

: 00:31:30

He's best known for

Superfly, Powers Booth.

690

: 00:31:35

He's that colonel, the colonel, Air

Force colonel that gets shot down.

691

: 00:31:40

His name is Andy, but I don't

really remember them saying Andy.

692

: 00:31:44

He's kind of known for playing bad guys.

693

: 00:31:46

And so you all like

very much remember him.

694

: 00:31:51

He won an Emmy for playing

the cult leader, Jim Jones.

695

: 00:31:55

Oh, my gosh, that's amazing.

696

: 00:31:57

Yeah.

697

: 00:31:57

I wonder if it was that made for TV movie.

698

: 00:32:01

But yeah, I can't imagine yet.

699

: 00:32:03

I think it probably was.

700

: 00:32:04

I just don't remember him

doing that same different.

701

: 00:32:06

Yeah.

702

: 00:32:08

Wow.

703

: 00:32:08

Yeah, then Frank McRae, who I

remember looking this up and seeing

704

: 00:32:14

that he was in this movie and then.

705

: 00:32:15

Watching it and being like,

Oh, he's in it for like and I'm

706

: 00:32:19

like, Frank McRae's in that.

707

: 00:32:20

I'm like, he plays Mr.

708

: 00:32:21

Teasdale at the big, the

teacher at the beginning.

709

: 00:32:24

Okay.

710

: 00:32:25

And the reason that I know that

name so well is because he's been in

711

: 00:32:29

several Sylvester Stallone movies.

712

: 00:32:31

Including Rocky two.

713

: 00:32:33

So I think he used to be

a football player too.

714

: 00:32:35

If I, if I recall.

715

: 00:32:37

It's crazy the cast on this, like so

many vines and twisty turns of people.

716

: 00:32:42

You're like, what's that person's in this?

717

: 00:32:44

And then just incredible.

718

: 00:32:46

Indeed., The mood, the music was by,

I'm probably going to pronounce this

719

: 00:32:50

incorrectly, but Basel Poledouris.

720

: 00:32:55

He is, I guess, known for his

collaborations with John Milius.

721

: 00:32:58

So that makes sense as

well as Paul Verhoeven.

722

: 00:33:02

So for example, Conan the Barbarian

and Robocop, he also did those.

723

: 00:33:06

Oh, man, RoboCop, right?

724

: 00:33:09

Crazy.

725

: 00:33:11

In terms of how successful this was

box office, I mean, revenue wise,

726

: 00:33:19

I have 2 very different figures.

727

: 00:33:22

1 source says 78Million and

another source is 38Million.

728

: 00:33:25

So those are pretty, that's a

big difference, big difference.

729

: 00:33:28

And the, but on a 17Million dollar budget.

730

: 00:33:30

So either way it made.

731

: 00:33:32

It doubled its money at least,

but could potentially quadruple

732

: 00:33:37

depending on the source.

733

: 00:33:39

So if, if you listeners or viewers

have not seen Red Dawn, or if

734

: 00:33:43

it's been several decades, since

you've seen it here's a little

735

: 00:33:50

synopsis in the dawn of World War 3.

736

: 00:33:53

Soviet Nicaraguan and Cuban troops

begin landing on the football

737

: 00:33:57

field of a Colorado high school.

738

: 00:33:59

In a few seconds, the paratroopers

have attacked the school and sent a

739

: 00:34:03

group of teenagers fleeing into the

mountains armed only with hunting

740

: 00:34:06

rifles, pistols and bows and arrows.

741

: 00:34:09

The teen struggle to survive

the bitter winter and the Soviet

742

: 00:34:12

KGB patrols hunting for them.

743

: 00:34:15

Eventually, trouble arises

when they kill a group of.

744

: 00:34:18

Soviet soldiers on

patrol in the Highlands.

745

: 00:34:21

Soon they will wear wage their own

guerrilla warfare against the invading

746

: 00:34:25

Soviet troops under the banner of

the Wolverine, Wolverines, overall

747

: 00:34:31

thoughts or favorite scenes, like

what's your overall impression?

748

: 00:34:35

Oh, I'm going to tell you my favorite

scene right off the bat here is

749

: 00:34:40

towards the end, the end when they're

sitting on the things and you know,

750

: 00:34:47

oh, it's so sad and you can, it's like.

751

: 00:34:50

The enemy understood at that point.

752

: 00:34:53

It was like, okay, well, we

could kill these guys and

753

: 00:34:55

they just look at each other.

754

: 00:34:57

And I thought, I don't know why when I

was young that a younger child that really

755

: 00:35:01

hit me hard and as an adult now, I think.

756

: 00:35:06

This is kind of, this is what war

and the, the emotion of war and the

757

: 00:35:13

understanding on both sides that this is

terrible and there was some mercy there.

758

: 00:35:19

I just remember that so much.

759

: 00:35:22

Yeah, that's a really good call

that because they're going to die.

760

: 00:35:26

They both shot, but he's letting them go.

761

: 00:35:29

Bella, I think is the colonel's name

that lets them go die in peace together.

762

: 00:35:34

So right off the bat, spoiler alert.

763

: 00:35:38

That's, that's like the end Jed, Jed and

Jed and Matt die, but they're together.

764

: 00:35:43

Like they, yeah.

765

: 00:35:44

And the, that Colonel that lets them go,

the mercy, the mercy that he shows them.

766

: 00:35:49

He says, Via con Dios.

767

: 00:35:52

To them, and that is also what

Johnny Utah says to Patrick Swayze's

768

: 00:35:59

character in point break point break.

769

: 00:36:01

Oh, yeah, amazing.

770

: 00:36:04

But I think like that scene always hit me.

771

: 00:36:08

I think overall, my just general thoughts

about the movie, it was just, it felt

772

: 00:36:12

very different to me during that time.

773

: 00:36:16

I think so much of what I

was watching during that time

774

: 00:36:18

was not like that in depth.

775

: 00:36:21

There was like some serious

acting that was happening.

776

: 00:36:24

A lot of the eighties movies

are just kind of funny and dumb.

777

: 00:36:27

Mm-hmm.

778

: 00:36:27

and just kind of comedic.

779

: 00:36:29

And this was serious, this very

serious, this is a serious movie.

780

: 00:36:32

Yeah.

781

: 00:36:32

And I felt like the seriousness of it

was a refreshing take for that time

782

: 00:36:37

I felt like, of the opposite of the

excess and the wealth of those soap

783

: 00:36:42

operas we were just talking about.

784

: 00:36:44

Yes.

785

: 00:36:44

It was something really.

786

: 00:36:47

That grabbed me about it.

787

: 00:36:49

And there's others say I didn't like

the red Dawn remake just so everyone

788

: 00:36:53

knows I wasn't that into it, man.

789

: 00:36:55

I was going to ask you, I just watched it.

790

: 00:36:59

No, I didn't.

791

: 00:36:59

I was like, eh, it's just, I

don't like the reboots of things.

792

: 00:37:03

I'm just like, can we just

let it be what it was?

793

: 00:37:05

You know, I feel like everyone,

our age feels that same exact way.

794

: 00:37:09

We don't want reboots.

795

: 00:37:11

Yeah.

796

: 00:37:11

I don't want it at all.

797

: 00:37:15

No, I actually guessed it on a

show, another like 80s and 90s

798

: 00:37:19

centric show where the task was

to find a good 1 and we couldn't,

799

: 00:37:24

we don't think there is a good 1.

800

: 00:37:25

Yeah.

801

: 00:37:26

Yeah.

802

: 00:37:26

So we ended up finding things

that were made in the 80s that

803

: 00:37:30

were reboots of an older movie.

804

: 00:37:31

Yeah.

805

: 00:37:32

Yeah.

806

: 00:37:32

So it's crazy.

807

: 00:37:35

I very much.

808

: 00:37:36

So my last episode.

809

: 00:37:38

Was about overboard, which is set in 1987.

810

: 00:37:41

So we were talking about fashion

of the and hairstyles of 87.

811

: 00:37:46

So watching this again in the

early eighties, it was such a stark

812

: 00:37:51

difference to me to see how vastly

different the fashion and hair was

813

: 00:37:56

from the early to the late eighties.

814

: 00:37:59

Eighties was a crazy time for fashion.

815

: 00:38:01

I mean, it was just

like all over the place.

816

: 00:38:04

But I think you, a lot of the

fashion and hair was so represented

817

: 00:38:10

in movies and different characters.

818

: 00:38:13

I think different people like

wore that better than others.

819

: 00:38:17

But some people, I think their style

was really defined by the eighties.

820

: 00:38:23

Some people never left the eighties.

821

: 00:38:25

Let's just put it that way.

822

: 00:38:26

That's true.

823

: 00:38:30

Oh my God, that is so true.

824

: 00:38:33

Oh, by the way, I, this movie somehow

missed me, my three year old self

825

: 00:38:38

somehow missed this war torn movie.

826

: 00:38:42

I actually hadn't seen it until.

827

: 00:38:44

Yesterday.

828

: 00:38:45

Wow.

829

: 00:38:46

I know.

830

: 00:38:47

I'm not sure why.

831

: 00:38:48

I mean, that's a different take.

832

: 00:38:49

Yeah.

833

: 00:38:50

'cause watching it when I, I probably

ended up seeing it around seven, eight

834

: 00:38:54

years old right around that time.

835

: 00:38:56

And then watching it, I've watched it

a couple times throughout my life and

836

: 00:39:01

I was just like, man, this is serious.

837

: 00:39:03

I just kept thinking how serious this was.

838

: 00:39:05

And also just, just the

acting to me was excellent.

839

: 00:39:08

It was just so good.

840

: 00:39:10

And I just thought, man, this is

like, you would be scared like that.

841

: 00:39:15

Imagine you're a teenager and, you know,

these people are just paratrooping,

842

: 00:39:20

parachuting onto your, wherever you're at.

843

: 00:39:22

You know, you're in school.

844

: 00:39:23

I mean, it's insane.

845

: 00:39:24

High school.

846

: 00:39:25

The idea of it.

847

: 00:39:25

Yeah.

848

: 00:39:26

Yeah.

849

: 00:39:28

Yeah.

850

: 00:39:29

It was, it was kind of hard

for me to keep remembering.

851

: 00:39:32

Like these kids are like, they

form their own little army.

852

: 00:39:36

It's like a militia

almost, like, basically.

853

: 00:39:38

Yeah, and it's very Rambo esque.

854

: 00:39:40

I took note of very, very, like,

they're camouflaging and using bows

855

: 00:39:46

and arrows and drinking deer blood

and being up in the mountains.

856

: 00:39:50

Yes.

857

: 00:39:51

Like, it felt very Rambo y to me.

858

: 00:39:54

Yeah, you know, I can't remember.

859

: 00:39:56

Maybe this is terrible.

860

: 00:39:57

I can't remember where it was.

861

: 00:39:59

Was it supposed to take place

in Colorado in the film?

862

: 00:40:01

I can't remember.

863

: 00:40:02

Or was it somewhere else?

864

: 00:40:04

Cal, Calumet, Colorado is where it's set.

865

: 00:40:08

It was actually filmed

in New Mexico though.

866

: 00:40:10

But it is set in Colorado.

867

: 00:40:13

Yeah.

868

: 00:40:14

Yep.

869

: 00:40:14

I actually was going to ask you, I very

much took note of the Arapahoe forest sign

870

: 00:40:19

because I've been in Colorado for a while.

871

: 00:40:21

I noticed those things.

872

: 00:40:22

Also, there was a bumper

sticker, the native, which is

873

: 00:40:26

like a huge thing in Colorado.

874

: 00:40:28

It just is like a green bumper

sticker that says native.

875

: 00:40:30

Have you seen those around

now that you're here?

876

: 00:40:32

No, I haven't.

877

: 00:40:33

I have not seen that.

878

: 00:40:35

But I have to feel like I need to, even

after watching it recently again, I

879

: 00:40:39

feel like Like any movie, you always

learn something the more you watch it.

880

: 00:40:43

You do.

881

: 00:40:44

For that.

882

: 00:40:44

And I think I always kept thinking as a,

when I watched it when I was under 10,

883

: 00:40:49

I didn't have certain things I thought

about, but now I think about, like, how

884

: 00:40:54

did these guys figure this stuff out?

885

: 00:40:56

Like, how do they, it's this survivalism,

you know I mean, you're in high school

886

: 00:41:01

one second, the next year on the

mountains, it's like, okay, if it was me,

887

: 00:41:05

I would definitely, it wouldn't be good.

888

: 00:41:06

I'm telling you it would not be good.

889

: 00:41:08

No, I was thinking the same cause the

girls are like part of the militia,

890

: 00:41:11

like they're shooting automatic

rifles and grenades and like full on.

891

: 00:41:17

And I'm like, no, I would have, no, no.

892

: 00:41:21

I don't think so.

893

: 00:41:23

Yeah.

894

: 00:41:23

I've often joked with my friend group

that I would be the worst survivalist.

895

: 00:41:27

I'd be, I would offer myself up

to be eaten, like just shoot me.

896

: 00:41:31

And then you guys can like,

yeah, like in an apocalypse.

897

: 00:41:34

You're done early.

898

: 00:41:35

Katie, you're like, yeah,

just, yeah, I'm done.

899

: 00:41:38

I don't, I don't want

to live through that.

900

: 00:41:41

He was like, I'm not surviving,

I'm not going to be uncomfortable.

901

: 00:41:45

It's just, you know, this is a sacrifice.

902

: 00:41:48

Yeah, for sure.

903

: 00:41:50

But so because I hadn't seen this before

and I know it's a Milius film so I

904

: 00:41:55

shouldn't have been shocked, I guess.

905

: 00:41:57

But so first, like at first we're shown,

we like open with this like beautiful

906

: 00:42:02

picturesque, like quaint small town.

907

: 00:42:05

It's showing us this adorable,

small town mountain living.

908

: 00:42:10

But then we're like, immediately

hit with the violence, you know, so

909

: 00:42:14

I, at 1st, when I 1st, I was like,

oh, we're going to kind of ease in,

910

: 00:42:17

but nope, it hits you immediately.

911

: 00:42:20

Yeah, yeah, it's very quick.

912

: 00:42:23

That's that's what I thought the

suddenness of it from this high

913

: 00:42:27

school life boom, right into survival.

914

: 00:42:30

Yeah.

915

: 00:42:30

It's not like, you know.

916

: 00:42:32

Mr.

917

: 00:42:33

Teasdale sees the paratroopers

out to his classroom window.

918

: 00:42:36

He goes out to ask what, what

the heck is going on before

919

: 00:42:40

he can finish his sentence.

920

: 00:42:42

He gets shot.

921

: 00:42:43

And so that's, that's,

we're like, oh, wow.

922

: 00:42:45

Okay.

923

: 00:42:47

It's also one of these, I feel like

the 80s was very good at this, of

924

: 00:42:53

not telling you the whole story,

but you fill in the blanks yourself.

925

: 00:42:57

Because there's a big question of

World War III, how did they get here

926

: 00:43:01

undetected like this, you know, and

all this stuff, it's a different time.

927

: 00:43:05

Whereas like today's movies, I

think they want to give you a lot

928

: 00:43:08

of background, to a lot of stuff.

929

: 00:43:11

They want to explain to the viewer

like you're an idiot, that you

930

: 00:43:14

wouldn't know what was going on.

931

: 00:43:16

That is so true.

932

: 00:43:17

Do you, do you think we

are idiots now though?

933

: 00:43:19

Like, do you think we are dumber now?

934

: 00:43:21

Good question.

935

: 00:43:21

I mean do they have to spell

it out for us nowadays?

936

: 00:43:25

I don't think they have to, I just

think that like movies are so long

937

: 00:43:29

now that they're like, okay, these are

longer movies, so we'll add in a lot of

938

: 00:43:32

background, which I don't mind background

if the story, this is just me, if the

939

: 00:43:37

story is kind of more mythological, and

it has kind of this fantastical element,

940

: 00:43:42

I kind of like that, but sometimes it's

good just for you to imagine, Like what,

941

: 00:43:49

what happened here and I also think a lot

of 80s movies were not focused on sequels.

942

: 00:43:54

They were not focused on sequels.

943

: 00:43:56

It was like the effort was put into

this one movie and let's wrap it up.

944

: 00:44:03

Yes.

945

: 00:44:03

Which is better.

946

: 00:44:06

If it happens to warrant a

sequel, great, but don't plan.

947

: 00:44:10

Yeah.

948

: 00:44:10

Yeah.

949

: 00:44:11

You're that's a good call.

950

: 00:44:13

Yeah.

951

: 00:44:14

To kind of to your point

about filling in the blanks.

952

: 00:44:19

Like this, it's like, this

is like this alternate U.

953

: 00:44:22

S.

954

: 00:44:23

history.

955

: 00:44:24

Yes.

956

: 00:44:25

And for me, as a viewer now in 2023,

an alternate future, like, that's kind

957

: 00:44:31

of what the movie, what I saw the movie

being, you know, so it's like, because

958

: 00:44:35

we don't ever learn from our mistakes.

959

: 00:44:39

So yeah, like The propaganda over

the loudspeakers, reeducation

960

: 00:44:43

camps, using your friends and family

to, you know, become a spy and

961

: 00:44:49

give up your friends and family.

962

: 00:44:52

And let's see what else was there.

963

: 00:44:54

Oh, just like firing squads,

like making people do their

964

: 00:44:57

own squats, dig your own grave.

965

: 00:44:59

Yeah, so that's all in this movie.

966

: 00:45:03

There's a lot.

967

: 00:45:05

Yeah, there's definitely a lot.

968

: 00:45:06

And I feel like.

969

: 00:45:08

And you watch this movie and then

you think of current times, you

970

: 00:45:11

go, there's something strange about

this feeling about this movie.

971

: 00:45:15

Yeah, almost kind of like, not that

we're there or anything, but there's

972

: 00:45:20

enough chatter where you think,

why haven't we figured this out?

973

: 00:45:26

You know, I mean, I think,

listen, the idea of an invading

974

: 00:45:30

force invading the United States.

975

: 00:45:33

That's a very different idea, especially

also, here's another thing, what

976

: 00:45:38

happened in Ukraine and the whole point

is we don't want it to happen here.

977

: 00:45:41

We don't want it to happen here.

978

: 00:45:43

That's why we need to support them there.

979

: 00:45:45

You know what I mean?

980

: 00:45:46

Like, this very well could happen.

981

: 00:45:47

That's why it's so prescient.

982

: 00:45:50

But what's interesting

is if you think about.

983

: 00:45:53

The patriotism of this movie and

the connection is different than

984

: 00:45:58

the patriotism of today, right?

985

: 00:46:00

That patriotism of the eighties,

it was a patriot was in a lot

986

: 00:46:05

of movies in the eighties.

987

: 00:46:06

So like the idea of a patriot is

you don't talk bad about America.

988

: 00:46:10

We're all together about America.

989

: 00:46:12

Love America.

990

: 00:46:13

Everybody, no matter what you

think, we're all in this together.

991

: 00:46:16

We're Americans.

992

: 00:46:17

The patriotism of today is a silo.

993

: 00:46:20

Based on a patriotism.

994

: 00:46:21

It's very different.

995

: 00:46:23

Has nothing to do with that other.

996

: 00:46:24

No, it's, it's like kind

of the opposite now.

997

: 00:46:28

Yes.

998

: 00:46:28

Yeah.

999

: 00:46:28

It's opposite.

: 1000

00:46:29,921 --> 00:46:30,271

Yeah.

: 1001

00:46:30,281 --> 00:46:34,931

It's like, it's domestic

individualism in many ways, and

: 1002

00:46:34,931 --> 00:46:36,951

it's not a United patriotism.

: 1003

00:46:37,891 --> 00:46:39,771

It's extremist patriotism.

: 1004

00:46:39,801 --> 00:46:41,531

Extreme, very extreme.

: 1005

00:46:41,541 --> 00:46:43,071

That is something about the eighties.

: 1006

00:46:43,091 --> 00:46:46,911

The eighties were very America.

: 1007

00:46:47,271 --> 00:46:47,821

Yeah.

: 1008

00:46:47,941 --> 00:46:48,961

But not like today.

: 1009

00:46:49,181 --> 00:46:49,541

No.

: 1010

00:46:49,571 --> 00:46:50,231

Yeah, no.

: 1011

00:46:50,231 --> 00:46:50,981

Yeah, you're right.

: 1012

00:46:50,981 --> 00:46:54,201

It has a, when somebody says that,

now it has a different feel to it.

: 1013

00:46:54,551 --> 00:46:55,201

. Yeah, right.

: 1014

00:46:55,271 --> 00:47:00,181

When somebody flew the flag in the

eighties, everybody felt connected to it.

: 1015

00:47:00,391 --> 00:47:00,881

Proud, yeah.

: 1016

00:47:01,201 --> 00:47:01,501

Yeah.

: 1017

00:47:01,506 --> 00:47:01,951

About it.

: 1018

00:47:02,251 --> 00:47:03,871

Every, not today, it's it.

: 1019

00:47:03,961 --> 00:47:07,781

When someone does that or

someone has gigantic huge flag

: 1020

00:47:07,781 --> 00:47:10,001

somewhere, your thoughts often go.

: 1021

00:47:10,011 --> 00:47:11,171

Maybe not everyone.

: 1022

00:47:11,171 --> 00:47:15,251

They often go to like extreme

patriotism, like extremist patriotism.

: 1023

00:47:15,251 --> 00:47:16,641

That is crazy.

: 1024

00:47:16,641 --> 00:47:17,901

Ideology and siloed.

: 1025

00:47:18,351 --> 00:47:23,231

It doesn't, you don't think of America,

this country of land of liberty

: 1026

00:47:23,231 --> 00:47:24,901

and, you know, the fruit of plant.

: 1027

00:47:24,901 --> 00:47:27,211

You don't think of this

beautiful music in the song.

: 1028

00:47:27,221 --> 00:47:33,701

You just think these are psychos like,

yeah, it's like we are the United

: 1029

00:47:33,831 --> 00:47:38,371

States of America, but yeah, now

we're the divided States of America.

: 1030

00:47:38,391 --> 00:47:39,581

It just, it's very different.

: 1031

00:47:39,581 --> 00:47:41,811

Patriotism in the eighties,

so much different.

: 1032

00:47:41,811 --> 00:47:44,941

And this movie, I think kind

of personified that very much.

: 1033

00:47:44,981 --> 00:47:48,621

I actually took note of

yet another bumper sticker.

: 1034

00:47:49,111 --> 00:47:53,301

That and I think this is very Melia.

: 1035

00:47:53,341 --> 00:47:54,461

See it.

: 1036

00:47:54,481 --> 00:47:58,411

There was a bumper sticker on somebody's

car that says you can take my gun when

: 1037

00:47:58,411 --> 00:48:00,421

you pry it from my cold dead hand.

: 1038

00:48:00,511 --> 00:48:01,071

Yeah.

: 1039

00:48:01,161 --> 00:48:06,411

And that's literally what happened the

Russian guy, like, the guy was dead.

: 1040

00:48:06,421 --> 00:48:07,931

He killed him and took his gun.

: 1041

00:48:08,731 --> 00:48:09,011

Yeah.

: 1042

00:48:10,301 --> 00:48:10,691

Yeah.

: 1043

00:48:10,741 --> 00:48:12,901

I took a special note of that.

: 1044

00:48:14,081 --> 00:48:18,101

I thought that was very interesting,

but then I got to say, like, it was so

: 1045

00:48:18,101 --> 00:48:23,941

scary and like this in this invasion

and there's reeducation camps and

: 1046

00:48:23,941 --> 00:48:29,811

people are being shot, but then I guess

the 1, there's 2 areas where I had a

: 1047

00:48:29,811 --> 00:48:34,901

hard time wrapping my head around 1 is

that they seem to come and go freely

: 1048

00:48:34,901 --> 00:48:39,581

from those, the Mason household where

they're like, get the, that's the.

: 1049

00:48:40,221 --> 00:48:41,481

That's where the girls come from.

: 1050

00:48:41,481 --> 00:48:44,011

They're the granddaughters are

being hidden and they kind of

: 1051

00:48:44,011 --> 00:48:50,801

keep them in the loop about what's

happening in the occupied area, give

: 1052

00:48:50,801 --> 00:48:52,831

them food and weapons and stuff.

: 1053

00:48:53,161 --> 00:48:55,771

They seem to just kind of go

back and forth with no problem

: 1054

00:48:55,781 --> 00:48:57,171

from that Mason's house.

: 1055

00:48:58,261 --> 00:49:02,671

And also they have like a

leisurely talk with their dad.

: 1056

00:49:02,946 --> 00:49:09,246

Through the fence at that, like, there was

no, I didn't feel like a sense of danger

: 1057

00:49:09,256 --> 00:49:14,916

urgency somehow in those 2 situations,

which I feel like there would be.

: 1058

00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:16,566

What did you have any thoughts about that?

: 1059

00:49:16,576 --> 00:49:18,326

No, I felt I felt very similar about it.

: 1060

00:49:18,326 --> 00:49:19,776

There were some questionable things.

: 1061

00:49:19,776 --> 00:49:20,336

I thought.

: 1062

00:49:20,966 --> 00:49:22,836

Which actually happens

in a lot of 80s movies.

: 1063

00:49:22,836 --> 00:49:24,456

You're like, Oh, that's true.

: 1064

00:49:26,496 --> 00:49:27,046

It wasn't.

: 1065

00:49:27,776 --> 00:49:28,326

Yeah.

: 1066

00:49:28,556 --> 00:49:30,386

I think that just

happens a lot in the 80s.

: 1067

00:49:30,386 --> 00:49:33,786

And I was like, I chalked it up now

to like, Oh, this is an 80s thing.

: 1068

00:49:34,096 --> 00:49:37,036

This is, Hey, we have

a limited runtime here.

: 1069

00:49:37,046 --> 00:49:38,756

We're going to skim

through some of this stuff.

: 1070

00:49:39,136 --> 00:49:42,866

You know, it's like, but also think

it could also be part of the, Yeah.

: 1071

00:49:44,076 --> 00:49:47,836

The invasion part two, I think

invaders and anything are not

: 1072

00:49:47,846 --> 00:49:50,806

also not always well run too.

: 1073

00:49:51,606 --> 00:49:57,206

And I think that that is a theme that

not always like, okay, this invasion

: 1074

00:49:57,216 --> 00:50:00,846

happens, whatever it is, sci fi alien

invasion, you think in your mind

: 1075

00:50:00,846 --> 00:50:03,206

or people invasion, human invasion.

: 1076

00:50:03,216 --> 00:50:05,126

It's not always as well oiled machine.

: 1077

00:50:05,136 --> 00:50:06,726

There's a lot of things that are just.

: 1078

00:50:07,236 --> 00:50:08,166

Not well done.

: 1079

00:50:08,596 --> 00:50:11,536

So I think if I wanted to

argue that, I guess I could

: 1080

00:50:11,536 --> 00:50:12,786

say, well, that's part of it.

: 1081

00:50:12,846 --> 00:50:14,096

I just think it's an 80s thing.

: 1082

00:50:15,756 --> 00:50:17,806

That's a good way of

explaining it for sure.

: 1083

00:50:18,306 --> 00:50:18,576

Yeah.

: 1084

00:50:20,206 --> 00:50:21,286

Jennifer gray.

: 1085

00:50:21,646 --> 00:50:25,106

So I always was hearing about her

in this movie because she was also

: 1086

00:50:25,106 --> 00:50:26,206

in dirty dancing with Patrick.

: 1087

00:50:26,606 --> 00:50:28,096

Yeah, we don't see much of her.

: 1088

00:50:28,526 --> 00:50:29,296

In the movie.

: 1089

00:50:30,086 --> 00:50:30,546

Not at all.

: 1090

00:50:31,026 --> 00:50:32,226

She plays Tony.

: 1091

00:50:32,776 --> 00:50:33,906

She looks identical.

: 1092

00:50:33,956 --> 00:50:37,846

I did note, so this is 83 Dirty

Dancing, or this is 84, I'm sorry.

: 1093

00:50:38,126 --> 00:50:39,346

Dirty Dancing is 87.

: 1094

00:50:39,386 --> 00:50:42,036

I thought she looked

identical, especially her hair.

: 1095

00:50:42,136 --> 00:50:43,016

Like she's the same.

: 1096

00:50:43,016 --> 00:50:44,656

I thought the hair was exactly the same.

: 1097

00:50:44,656 --> 00:50:44,936

Yeah.

: 1098

00:50:44,936 --> 00:50:49,096

It's that kind of like curly hair deal

that she had and then she's all dirty

: 1099

00:50:49,096 --> 00:50:52,076

and stuff and they were all like out

there and I was like, this just seems

: 1100

00:50:52,076 --> 00:50:56,676

like, if you watch those movies together,

which I've done before, you're like, oh.

: 1101

00:50:56,981 --> 00:51:02,061

This could be like her just moving from

one set to the next, you know, yeah

: 1102

00:51:03,661 --> 00:51:14,111

talking about patriotism but I have

this weird, like of the Soviet national

: 1103

00:51:14,111 --> 00:51:18,701

anthem, the Soviet national anthem,

it's pretty, actually it is, and so I

: 1104

00:51:18,701 --> 00:51:24,431

recognized it in this movie immediately

because of my bazillion viewings of

: 1105

00:51:24,431 --> 00:51:27,041

Rocky four, of course, it's beautiful.

: 1106

00:51:27,261 --> 00:51:30,941

It really is a good songs, but I'm like,

Oh, I feel like I shouldn't like it.

: 1107

00:51:30,941 --> 00:51:35,531

You know, I think it's just being

objective about, you know, like, okay.

: 1108

00:51:35,531 --> 00:51:37,291

Like the melodies and things.

: 1109

00:51:37,291 --> 00:51:40,391

I don't know the lyrics, but

yeah, it's sweeping and beautiful.

: 1110

00:51:40,721 --> 00:51:47,121

And and actually in Rocky four, it adds

a lot of beauty and intensity to the

: 1111

00:51:47,921 --> 00:51:52,741

when they're there and Drago and Rocky,

and it's like this soaring, like boom

: 1112

00:51:52,771 --> 00:51:55,031

thing, you know, like incredible actually.

: 1113

00:51:55,311 --> 00:51:55,491

Yeah.

: 1114

00:51:55,491 --> 00:51:56,351

It's very effective.

: 1115

00:51:56,956 --> 00:51:57,326

Yeah.

: 1116

00:51:57,376 --> 00:51:57,736

Yeah.

: 1117

00:51:58,126 --> 00:52:03,136

I don't think it makes you less of

a Patriot or whatever it is today.

: 1118

00:52:03,536 --> 00:52:07,626

I mean, it's just I don't know now.

: 1119

00:52:07,646 --> 00:52:11,836

I don't know if it was just the way that

I watched it, but the, when they were

: 1120

00:52:11,836 --> 00:52:16,426

speaking, I didn't have subtitles when

they were speaking Russian or Spanish.

: 1121

00:52:16,426 --> 00:52:17,516

Did you, when you watch it?

: 1122

00:52:17,546 --> 00:52:18,646

No, no.

: 1123

00:52:18,976 --> 00:52:19,476

Okay.

: 1124

00:52:20,256 --> 00:52:22,696

I didn't know if that was

just the version I had.

: 1125

00:52:22,746 --> 00:52:24,876

So that that's really interesting then.

: 1126

00:52:25,411 --> 00:52:30,781

People didn't, we don't, unless you

speak Russian and Spanish, there

: 1127

00:52:30,781 --> 00:52:35,551

were several actual conversations,

not just a few words, but actual

: 1128

00:52:35,681 --> 00:52:38,541

conversations in a foreign language

that were not subtitled for us.

: 1129

00:52:39,321 --> 00:52:39,581

Would you think of that?

: 1130

00:52:39,581 --> 00:52:40,901

I actually kind of like it that way.

: 1131

00:52:40,961 --> 00:52:41,901

I like it that way.

: 1132

00:52:42,031 --> 00:52:42,351

Okay.

: 1133

00:52:42,351 --> 00:52:45,891

Because if you want it to be

reality, the people there would

: 1134

00:52:45,891 --> 00:52:47,261

not know what they're saying.

: 1135

00:52:47,451 --> 00:52:48,211

Really good point.

: 1136

00:52:48,221 --> 00:52:49,711

And so for the audience...

: 1137

00:52:50,516 --> 00:52:54,106

If you want to really make it feel

like you're there and be immersed

: 1138

00:52:54,106 --> 00:52:55,686

into it, you wouldn't know either.

: 1139

00:52:56,076 --> 00:52:59,136

So, knowing it almost means

that you have a different...

: 1140

00:53:00,016 --> 00:53:04,426

More intimate point of view than the

actors did or whoever, you know, I just

: 1141

00:53:04,596 --> 00:53:05,956

man, I want to be where they're at.

: 1142

00:53:06,006 --> 00:53:07,636

I want to experience their version of it.

: 1143

00:53:07,646 --> 00:53:11,106

And so not knowing it, I didn't, I never

wanted to have that stuff on there.

: 1144

00:53:12,756 --> 00:53:14,436

Yeah, I really like that take.

: 1145

00:53:14,956 --> 00:53:15,486

Good point.

: 1146

00:53:17,356 --> 00:53:18,796

I get some good ones every now and then.

: 1147

00:53:18,926 --> 00:53:20,806

Yeah, no, you're pretty solid.

: 1148

00:53:23,086 --> 00:53:27,346

The plaque at the end, I, I don't

know, I'm, the ending, like the very

: 1149

00:53:27,346 --> 00:53:29,556

end, I'm not sure what I wanted.

: 1150

00:53:30,926 --> 00:53:35,276

So, at the very end again, spoiler alert,

Erica and Danny are the only ones that.

: 1151

00:53:36,496 --> 00:53:38,666

Make it to the free zone.

: 1152

00:53:38,976 --> 00:53:39,376

Yeah.

: 1153

00:53:39,586 --> 00:53:43,036

And then they learn that

America, that we won the war.

: 1154

00:53:43,926 --> 00:53:47,686

And there's a plaque about their

little teenage, how their little

: 1155

00:53:47,686 --> 00:53:50,376

teenage army helped win the war.

: 1156

00:53:50,376 --> 00:53:52,356

And that's kind of how the movie ends.

: 1157

00:53:53,816 --> 00:53:55,086

What are your thoughts about that?

: 1158

00:53:55,576 --> 00:53:56,981

I, you know, I wasn't that into it.

: 1159

00:53:58,591 --> 00:53:59,341

There's something about it.

: 1160

00:53:59,341 --> 00:54:00,691

I, I don't know.

: 1161

00:54:01,281 --> 00:54:06,501

I feel like also too, like the eighties

was everything about this is another,

: 1162

00:54:06,531 --> 00:54:10,471

this is a big patriotism talk, but

like this turning into but I feel

: 1163

00:54:10,471 --> 00:54:12,501

like it was like America always wins.

: 1164

00:54:12,501 --> 00:54:14,871

We're the best yada, yada, yada.

: 1165

00:54:14,871 --> 00:54:17,991

And I think sometimes a movie

can be really effective when

: 1166

00:54:17,991 --> 00:54:19,781

it doesn't play to that.

: 1167

00:54:20,521 --> 00:54:20,871

Thing.

: 1168

00:54:20,871 --> 00:54:23,701

I'm sure maybe if they did focus

testing, all that, maybe that.

: 1169

00:54:24,111 --> 00:54:25,371

You know, maybe they thought about it.

: 1170

00:54:25,391 --> 00:54:28,131

Maybe this is something research,

but actually may have been

: 1171

00:54:28,131 --> 00:54:30,151

more effective if America lost.

: 1172

00:54:30,671 --> 00:54:36,581

Oh, God, that would have been probably

more realistic to like, way darker.

: 1173

00:54:36,581 --> 00:54:37,761

I, I have darker.

: 1174

00:54:37,761 --> 00:54:38,441

Yeah.

: 1175

00:54:38,711 --> 00:54:40,851

Although apocalypse now is super dark.

: 1176

00:54:40,911 --> 00:54:42,711

So, yeah, yeah.

: 1177

00:54:43,321 --> 00:54:44,051

I don't know.

: 1178

00:54:44,501 --> 00:54:47,821

I just think I've been like, maybe

more effective, but I mean, maybe

: 1179

00:54:47,821 --> 00:54:51,591

audiences would have hated it because,

you know, especially it's like America

: 1180

00:54:51,591 --> 00:54:55,581

wins where the, where everything,

you know, but I think sometimes, even

: 1181

00:54:55,581 --> 00:54:57,361

though I may not like that ending.

: 1182

00:54:57,831 --> 00:55:01,091

Personally, I may not like that ending,

but I think it may have been more

: 1183

00:55:01,091 --> 00:55:06,571

jarring much like in the movie this

not 80s, a bit like mystic river.

: 1184

00:55:07,051 --> 00:55:11,571

Like in Sean Penn's character, like at the

ends at the parade and he's just smiling

: 1185

00:55:11,571 --> 00:55:13,411

and it's like, you want him to get caught.

: 1186

00:55:13,411 --> 00:55:14,441

Why didn't he get caught?

: 1187

00:55:14,461 --> 00:55:18,111

And that's that angst at the end,

even though I didn't like the ending,

: 1188

00:55:18,671 --> 00:55:22,641

it actually was, at least it was

a different take better on better.

: 1189

00:55:22,641 --> 00:55:25,281

It was like, Hey, not everyone

gets caught all the time.

: 1190

00:55:25,901 --> 00:55:29,531

And I think in this, like you went

really dark with the whole invasion and

: 1191

00:55:29,531 --> 00:55:31,461

stuff, but what if America didn't win?

: 1192

00:55:32,051 --> 00:55:34,541

I mean, it's just an, it's an

alternate reality as it is.

: 1193

00:55:34,541 --> 00:55:35,981

Why don't you just follow it through?

: 1194

00:55:36,181 --> 00:55:38,861

Yeah, I, I, there was something about it.

: 1195

00:55:38,861 --> 00:55:41,121

I, I couldn't quite place.

: 1196

00:55:42,251 --> 00:55:45,051

What it was that I didn't like it,

but I like your idea of yeah, this

: 1197

00:55:45,051 --> 00:55:46,471

whole thing is an alternate reality.

: 1198

00:55:46,481 --> 00:55:46,971

Anyway.

: 1199

00:55:46,981 --> 00:55:47,311

Yeah.

: 1200

00:55:47,551 --> 00:55:53,551

So I have a feeling though that

they did test it because I read

: 1201

00:55:53,551 --> 00:55:56,731

in some trivia, there were some

other areas where they tested and

: 1202

00:55:56,731 --> 00:55:59,171

changed it based on test audiences.

: 1203

00:55:59,191 --> 00:56:02,771

So I wonder if that's probably what

happened, Hollywood, Hollywooded it up.

: 1204

00:56:03,141 --> 00:56:04,621

You know, I think that's what it is.

: 1205

00:56:04,631 --> 00:56:07,761

And I think that's one of the

biggest problems with current movies.

: 1206

00:56:07,771 --> 00:56:08,621

Is that one?

: 1207

00:56:08,621 --> 00:56:14,271

There's no original ideas to you

I think the the movie studios have

: 1208

00:56:14,281 --> 00:56:18,971

too much input and the executives

to the you know The tone they

: 1209

00:56:18,971 --> 00:56:21,201

over usurp the directors too much.

: 1210

00:56:21,231 --> 00:56:23,881

It seems like and then you

get this very bad product.

: 1211

00:56:24,651 --> 00:56:29,046

Yeah, it's funny though because

it's like They're not the changes.

: 1212

00:56:29,236 --> 00:56:33,556

What they're doing is to make it more

profitable, not necessarily better.

: 1213

00:56:33,726 --> 00:56:36,606

And it shows it shows.

: 1214

00:56:36,886 --> 00:56:37,386

Yeah.

: 1215

00:56:37,986 --> 00:56:38,336

Yeah.

: 1216

00:56:38,346 --> 00:56:41,436

I mean, I I've never turned

off more movies in my life than

: 1217

00:56:41,436 --> 00:56:43,266

I have in this past decade.

: 1218

00:56:43,306 --> 00:56:43,646

Yeah.

: 1219

00:56:43,716 --> 00:56:44,136

Agree.

: 1220

00:56:44,146 --> 00:56:47,636

This I like, but the eighties, that

was never, never a thing for me.

: 1221

00:56:47,646 --> 00:56:52,256

Everything was like almost very

individual, lots of original programming.

: 1222

00:56:52,751 --> 00:56:57,411

And just even if it was just the

movie kind of bombed, it ended up

: 1223

00:56:57,411 --> 00:57:00,371

becoming a cult classic later later on.

: 1224

00:57:00,371 --> 00:57:04,441

Yeah, it's like I guess from the studio's

mind, they're like, we don't care

: 1225

00:57:04,441 --> 00:57:06,021

that it became a cult classic later.

: 1226

00:57:06,021 --> 00:57:07,391

Like we need our money now.

: 1227

00:57:07,401 --> 00:57:07,981

We've got.

: 1228

00:57:09,416 --> 00:57:11,176

Shareholders, blah, blah, blah.

: 1229

00:57:11,196 --> 00:57:11,886

Yes.

: 1230

00:57:11,986 --> 00:57:12,246

Yes.

: 1231

00:57:12,256 --> 00:57:16,466

That's the problem now is that most

movies to me are just social media posts.

: 1232

00:57:17,076 --> 00:57:19,476

They're just, they're not

even like good movies.

: 1233

00:57:19,486 --> 00:57:21,406

They're just like, well, we

just put it out, you know?

: 1234

00:57:21,406 --> 00:57:24,086

And and if this makes us a

lot of money, we're going to

: 1235

00:57:24,086 --> 00:57:25,366

do two or three more of them.

: 1236

00:57:25,396 --> 00:57:25,936

Oh yeah.

: 1237

00:57:25,946 --> 00:57:30,906

I mean, how many fast

10, 11, 12 or something.

: 1238

00:57:31,276 --> 00:57:31,566

It's like.

: 1239

00:57:32,671 --> 00:57:36,391

And you can just tell it's made,

like, this sounds bad, I love

: 1240

00:57:36,391 --> 00:57:39,611

Sylvester Stallone, and talk

about the 80s, I mean amazing.

: 1241

00:57:40,231 --> 00:57:43,961

But there's another Expendables movie

coming out, I just saw the trailer,

: 1242

00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:46,011

I'm like, this is clearly for money.

: 1243

00:57:46,361 --> 00:57:47,911

Like, this is terrible.

: 1244

00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:51,291

Well, I don't think he's

in it very much either.

: 1245

00:57:51,671 --> 00:57:52,401

Oh, really?

: 1246

00:57:52,401 --> 00:57:55,491

Yeah, I think he's passing the

torch to Jason Statham, from

: 1247

00:57:55,491 --> 00:57:57,121

the sounds of it, in this movie.

: 1248

00:57:57,581 --> 00:57:58,221

So...

: 1249

00:57:58,976 --> 00:58:05,866

Yeah, I mean, he is 77 years old, but

still, man, it's not just like franchises

: 1250

00:58:05,866 --> 00:58:11,976

don't need to be 20 pictures, you know,

I was like, they don't, they don't, but

: 1251

00:58:11,976 --> 00:58:19,046

like there, but I will defend there being

six Rockies till, till I die different,

: 1252

00:58:19,046 --> 00:58:22,446

you know, I mean, I feel like it's a bit

different because here's the thing weird

: 1253

00:58:22,446 --> 00:58:28,091

thing with sly though, is like, Great

script writer and, and the Rocky movies

: 1254

00:58:28,091 --> 00:58:32,791

were all about heart and emotion that

happened to have boxing in them for that.

: 1255

00:58:33,061 --> 00:58:35,261

And something has turned

with this Expendables.

: 1256

00:58:35,291 --> 00:58:37,211

There's no part of that in that writing.

: 1257

00:58:37,271 --> 00:58:38,281

I don't know what it is.

: 1258

00:58:38,671 --> 00:58:41,831

It's kind of like if somebody, we

talked about all these albums that

: 1259

00:58:41,831 --> 00:58:44,101

came out and things during the 80s.

: 1260

00:58:44,511 --> 00:58:46,531

And I was just talking to my

wife about this other night.

: 1261

00:58:47,306 --> 00:58:51,466

What happens when someone becomes super

rich, a big time celebrity, and their work

: 1262

00:58:51,466 --> 00:58:53,506

starts suffering later in their career?

: 1263

00:58:53,946 --> 00:58:59,306

It's like, well, okay, when you write

Rambo and Rocky, you're trying to get on.

: 1264

00:58:59,316 --> 00:59:05,076

You're so hungry to become noticed, and

you, you, you pen your greatest work.

: 1265

00:59:05,486 --> 00:59:08,246

But once you become wealthy and you

have all these things, you have no

: 1266

00:59:08,286 --> 00:59:12,576

trappings, like mostly everything's

taken care of, what do you write about?

: 1267

00:59:13,226 --> 00:59:14,346

What do you produce?

: 1268

00:59:14,346 --> 00:59:17,962

can happen to a writer

becomes civilized, right?

: 1269

00:59:18,002 --> 00:59:22,202

That's actually the worst thing that can

happen to a fighter is you become right.

: 1270

00:59:22,232 --> 00:59:26,352

That's from Rocky three, but yeah,

I mean, the same applies, right?

: 1271

00:59:26,752 --> 00:59:30,232

Like they get very comfortable with

where they are and then they got it.

: 1272

00:59:30,232 --> 00:59:35,332

Oh, I got to maintain this

level of wealth and lifestyle.

: 1273

00:59:35,362 --> 00:59:37,672

And they're not hungry anymore.

: 1274

00:59:37,682 --> 00:59:38,512

They're not hungry.

: 1275

00:59:38,512 --> 00:59:41,062

So you don't make movies

that have a lot of substance.

: 1276

00:59:41,737 --> 00:59:46,047

And then, so it's like, so then

they reboot Red Dawn, which

: 1277

00:59:46,047 --> 00:59:47,067

we're talking about mm-hmm.

: 1278

00:59:47,517 --> 00:59:50,877

and they put in, okay, let's

put Miles Teller in this role.

: 1279

00:59:50,877 --> 00:59:55,607

He's Charlie Sheen's role, and let's put

Chris Hemsworth and Patrick Swayze's role.

: 1280

00:59:55,607 --> 00:59:57,377

And it just, the juice is not there.

: 1281

00:59:57,817 --> 00:59:58,027

Not, no.

: 1282

00:59:58,027 --> 00:59:59,617

And those are both really good actors.

: 1283

00:59:59,617 --> 01:00:00,857

Like I, I like both of them.

: 1284

01:00:01,497 --> 01:00:07,397

But I have zero desire to

see the: 2012

: 1285

01:00:08,687 --> 01:00:09,637

Don't watch it.

: 1286

01:00:09,637 --> 01:00:10,627

It'll disappoint you.

: 1287

01:00:10,667 --> 01:00:11,507

I promise you.

: 1288

01:00:12,027 --> 01:00:17,547

No and it's funny, not funny, but the

last, let's see, I've had this discussion

: 1289

01:00:17,547 --> 01:00:22,547

with almost every episode that, so there's

a Dirty Dancing reboot in the works?

: 1290

01:00:22,917 --> 01:00:23,297

No.

: 1291

01:00:23,737 --> 01:00:24,667

There's a, yeah.

: 1292

01:00:24,817 --> 01:00:29,647

Not a reboot, but like a sequel,

which maybe wouldn't be as bad.

: 1293

01:00:30,327 --> 01:00:32,877

There's Roadhouse is coming

out sometime this year.

: 1294

01:00:33,777 --> 01:00:37,777

There was a, there was

a point breaks reboot.

: 1295

01:00:37,897 --> 01:00:41,397

Yeah, there was an overboard remake.

: 1296

01:00:41,567 --> 01:00:43,247

There was this red Don one.

: 1297

01:00:43,247 --> 01:00:43,537

Let's see.

: 1298

01:00:43,537 --> 01:00:46,657

I feel like I'm probably forgetting

1, but like they've Oh, there was

: 1299

01:00:46,667 --> 01:00:49,417

like a sequel to even backtrack

and they're all terrible.

: 1300

01:00:49,427 --> 01:00:51,877

Oh, all of the 2nd versions were awful.

: 1301

01:00:53,002 --> 01:00:54,532

I love Backdraft too.

: 1302

01:00:54,712 --> 01:00:56,532

I never want, I love Backdraft.

: 1303

01:00:56,542 --> 01:00:57,142

So good.

: 1304

01:00:57,412 --> 01:01:00,342

That was one of my first episodes,

like the fourth one, maybe.

: 1305

01:01:00,812 --> 01:01:03,292

So, yeah, all these remakes.

: 1306

01:01:04,592 --> 01:01:08,442

I always think it's a problem, you know,

as Red Dawn is like stands on its own.

: 1307

01:01:09,032 --> 01:01:13,052

And it's, it's one of those

movies that is both violent

: 1308

01:01:13,162 --> 01:01:15,102

and poignant at the same time.

: 1309

01:01:15,932 --> 01:01:16,422

Yeah.

: 1310

01:01:16,612 --> 01:01:16,942

Yeah.

: 1311

01:01:16,942 --> 01:01:18,172

That's Milius, I think.

: 1312

01:01:18,787 --> 01:01:20,617

Yeah, that's his like jam.

: 1313

01:01:21,707 --> 01:01:22,327

I did.

: 1314

01:01:22,377 --> 01:01:24,147

So there's a fair amount of trivia.

: 1315

01:01:24,177 --> 01:01:26,677

So the point that we were

just talking about too.

: 1316

01:01:27,417 --> 01:01:33,527

I also very much appreciate real

graphics and this, this film contains

: 1317

01:01:33,577 --> 01:01:37,797

no computer graphic effects, chroma

key composites or miniatures.

: 1318

01:01:37,927 --> 01:01:41,097

All of the explosions

are real and actual size.

: 1319

01:01:42,062 --> 01:01:43,262

That is amazing.

: 1320

01:01:43,432 --> 01:01:47,102

And my co host on Arbiters of Bad Taste.

: 1321

01:01:47,152 --> 01:01:49,802

This is a huge, huge pet peeve of his.

: 1322

01:01:49,802 --> 01:01:51,992

He can't stand all the

CGI and all the movies.

: 1323

01:01:51,992 --> 01:01:52,282

Same.

: 1324

01:01:52,672 --> 01:01:52,852

I hate it.

: 1325

01:01:52,882 --> 01:01:55,152

And I feel the same about it.

: 1326

01:01:55,507 --> 01:01:57,507

It's one thing I love

about Christopher Nolan.

: 1327

01:01:57,507 --> 01:02:01,977

He does, he blows up real stuff in

movies and he's very big into that.

: 1328

01:02:02,577 --> 01:02:06,507

And there's something about

feeling like, man, they actually,

: 1329

01:02:06,507 --> 01:02:08,097

it's actually cold out there.

: 1330

01:02:08,137 --> 01:02:11,667

Like we reviewed the movie wind

river, and that was one of the biggest

: 1331

01:02:11,677 --> 01:02:16,647

things for us was like, they look

cold, like it's actually cold there.

: 1332

01:02:17,127 --> 01:02:22,687

It's and it makes it, I think it elevates

the acting when the actors are actually

: 1333

01:02:22,687 --> 01:02:24,607

in the elements and they feel cold.

: 1334

01:02:25,827 --> 01:02:26,347

I don't know.

: 1335

01:02:26,347 --> 01:02:29,207

I'm sure they're not hungry, but

you make them a little hungry.

: 1336

01:02:29,207 --> 01:02:31,027

Maybe it's something a good actor can.

: 1337

01:02:31,037 --> 01:02:31,517

Yeah.

: 1338

01:02:32,007 --> 01:02:37,447

Well, something, you know, the cold,

apparently this was super cold.

: 1339

01:02:37,537 --> 01:02:41,177

Patrick Swayze got frostbite

during filming of this movie.

: 1340

01:02:42,422 --> 01:02:45,552

He's a few years after this, he said

it still felt like someone shoving

: 1341

01:02:45,562 --> 01:02:50,402

toothpick toothpicks up his fingernails

when he got too cold because he, yeah,

: 1342

01:02:50,802 --> 01:02:55,832

so freezing temperatures often well

below zero Fahrenheit and for the

: 1343

01:02:55,832 --> 01:02:59,402

rest of the world, that's negative,

like negative 18 Celsius, 17.

: 1344

01:03:00,102 --> 01:03:05,172

7, even dipping to negative 30 at times.

: 1345

01:03:05,232 --> 01:03:06,362

So it was very cold.

: 1346

01:03:07,137 --> 01:03:08,797

And that is impressive.

: 1347

01:03:10,547 --> 01:03:11,027

Wow.

: 1348

01:03:11,457 --> 01:03:12,667

I'm really impressed by that.

: 1349

01:03:13,977 --> 01:03:14,627

I know.

: 1350

01:03:14,667 --> 01:03:15,117

I don't know.

: 1351

01:03:15,127 --> 01:03:18,547

But Leah Thompson said that this was the

best time that she's ever had on a movie.

: 1352

01:03:18,577 --> 01:03:22,477

So despite it's being very cold,

she had a blast making even better

: 1353

01:03:22,477 --> 01:03:24,017

Leah than back to the future.

: 1354

01:03:24,047 --> 01:03:24,707

I mean, come on.

: 1355

01:03:24,707 --> 01:03:24,927

Yeah.

: 1356

01:03:26,392 --> 01:03:27,962

I guess maybe.

: 1357

01:03:28,162 --> 01:03:28,772

Yeah.

: 1358

01:03:29,432 --> 01:03:30,342

I don't know, man.

: 1359

01:03:31,932 --> 01:03:36,122

The violence made the Guinness

book of world records.

: 1360

01:03:38,012 --> 01:03:41,022

Most acts of violence in

any film up to that time.

: 1361

01:03:41,082 --> 01:03:45,802

It's perhaps surpassed now, but

up up until: 1984

: 1362

01:03:45,802 --> 01:03:51,012

their calculations, 135 acts of

violence per hour, which is 2.

: 1363

01:03:51,072 --> 01:03:52,962

23 per minute.

: 1364

01:03:53,557 --> 01:03:55,057

Did you feel like it felt like that?

: 1365

01:03:55,427 --> 01:03:55,817

No.

: 1366

01:03:56,047 --> 01:03:56,777

I didn't either.

: 1367

01:03:56,787 --> 01:03:57,447

Definitely not.

: 1368

01:03:57,507 --> 01:04:00,057

But I think John Wick has that

beat in the first 10 minutes.

: 1369

01:04:00,717 --> 01:04:01,107

Probably, yeah.

: 1370

01:04:01,297 --> 01:04:06,177

Up until night, up until the time of the

movie's making, it made the Guinness Book.

: 1371

01:04:06,327 --> 01:04:06,697

Yeah.

: 1372

01:04:07,427 --> 01:04:13,587

Yeah, and also to make them more, make

everything feel more real, these actors

: 1373

01:04:13,697 --> 01:04:15,647

all got real training from Green Berets.

: 1374

01:04:15,677 --> 01:04:19,867

There was like an 8 week training

course before the film started,

: 1375

01:04:19,877 --> 01:04:22,917

which, that's pretty intense.

: 1376

01:04:23,202 --> 01:04:24,772

I appreciate that.

: 1377

01:04:24,772 --> 01:04:27,242

I feel like Patrick Swayze

probably reveled in that.

: 1378

01:04:27,742 --> 01:04:29,542

It just seemed like he

just loved intensity.

: 1379

01:04:29,562 --> 01:04:30,332

You know, he does.

: 1380

01:04:30,332 --> 01:04:34,352

He and he'll like I talk about him, like

everybody's pretty sick of it, but I

: 1381

01:04:34,352 --> 01:04:39,162

talk about him and his book all the time

because he he doesn't do anything halfway.

: 1382

01:04:39,382 --> 01:04:42,392

If he's going to do something, he's

going to do it well and master it.

: 1383

01:04:42,392 --> 01:04:42,971

And he does.

: 1384

01:04:43,052 --> 01:04:43,572

So, yes.

: 1385

01:04:44,042 --> 01:04:46,212

Yes, it was pretty great dancer, right?

: 1386

01:04:46,242 --> 01:04:51,192

I mean I know, but he's like a

classically trained dancer or something.

: 1387

01:04:51,192 --> 01:04:52,032

If I remember.

: 1388

01:04:52,072 --> 01:04:52,262

Yeah.

: 1389

01:04:52,282 --> 01:04:52,572

Yeah.

: 1390

01:04:52,712 --> 01:04:52,971

Yeah.

: 1391

01:04:52,971 --> 01:04:55,692

Like he was in professional

dance companies in New York.

: 1392

01:04:55,692 --> 01:04:56,142

Yeah.

: 1393

01:04:56,492 --> 01:04:56,872

Yeah.

: 1394

01:04:56,872 --> 01:05:00,732

He actually, he had a great

physique and I was very athletic.

: 1395

01:05:01,002 --> 01:05:01,262

Yeah.

: 1396

01:05:01,302 --> 01:05:03,912

And again, they just rest in peace.

: 1397

01:05:04,172 --> 01:05:05,202

Just tragedy.

: 1398

01:05:06,302 --> 01:05:08,022

That he passed away so young.

: 1399

01:05:08,032 --> 01:05:09,642

He had a lot more to give to.

: 1400

01:05:09,702 --> 01:05:11,692

I felt like, you know, so much.

: 1401

01:05:11,721 --> 01:05:12,602

I know he was.

: 1402

01:05:12,672 --> 01:05:13,212

Yeah.

: 1403

01:05:13,242 --> 01:05:14,032

Oh, man.

: 1404

01:05:14,572 --> 01:05:16,042

Now, speaking of his passing.

: 1405

01:05:16,042 --> 01:05:22,732

So he he died of pancreatic cancer, but

so did powers booth and Ron O'Neill.

: 1406

01:05:23,002 --> 01:05:27,742

So, those 3 actors of this movie, all 3

of them passed from pancreatic cancer.

: 1407

01:05:28,082 --> 01:05:29,442

That is crazy.

: 1408

01:05:29,542 --> 01:05:29,902

Wow.

: 1409

01:05:30,532 --> 01:05:31,852

That's a rough 1 too.

: 1410

01:05:32,482 --> 01:05:34,352

Yeah, that's pretty nasty.

: 1411

01:05:34,442 --> 01:05:37,072

And it's pretty much a death sentence.

: 1412

01:05:37,072 --> 01:05:41,212

It's been on, you know, when they

catch it, but usually the, it's caught

: 1413

01:05:41,262 --> 01:05:43,412

late in the stages of it normally.

: 1414

01:05:43,412 --> 01:05:44,992

So, that's the problem.

: 1415

01:05:48,262 --> 01:05:53,632

Do you know who was originally cast or

who they, yeah, originally cast as Jed?

: 1416

01:05:54,982 --> 01:05:55,532

No.

: 1417

01:05:55,542 --> 01:05:55,912

Any guesses?

: 1418

01:05:55,932 --> 01:05:56,752

No, ah, man.

: 1419

01:05:59,322 --> 01:06:02,471

It's I feel like this is I'm thinking

of the actors of the time because I

: 1420

01:06:02,471 --> 01:06:06,221

remember like with back to the future

was Eric Stoltz before Michael J.

: 1421

01:06:06,221 --> 01:06:06,692

Fox.

: 1422

01:06:06,712 --> 01:06:09,462

I wonder if it was 1 of those type

of things where it's like, oh, I

: 1423

01:06:09,462 --> 01:06:11,512

know that guy, but I don't know.

: 1424

01:06:11,522 --> 01:06:12,352

I actually don't know.

: 1425

01:06:12,812 --> 01:06:16,232

Emilio Estevez, who's Charlie

Sheen's actual brother.

: 1426

01:06:16,422 --> 01:06:18,912

So they like this Jed and

Matter brothers on the movie.

: 1427

01:06:20,392 --> 01:06:24,912

Yeah, Emilio was I did when I

was watching this man, those

: 1428

01:06:24,962 --> 01:06:27,362

Estevez brothers sound the same.

: 1429

01:06:27,782 --> 01:06:28,352

Yeah.

: 1430

01:06:29,072 --> 01:06:29,512

Yeah.

: 1431

01:06:30,212 --> 01:06:35,221

It's a strange universe because I

was a big Charlie Sheen fan in the

: 1432

01:06:35,221 --> 01:06:37,352

eighties, different movies and stuff.

: 1433

01:06:37,402 --> 01:06:41,122

And and then I just recently watched a

thing about, you know, when he went nuts

: 1434

01:06:41,132 --> 01:06:44,362

for a little while and he was talking

about tiger blood and all that stuff.

: 1435

01:06:46,607 --> 01:06:49,857

Yeah, it is because I, I think

a lot of people really liked

: 1436

01:06:49,857 --> 01:06:51,346

him as an eighties actor too.

: 1437

01:06:51,687 --> 01:06:52,017

Yeah.

: 1438

01:06:52,027 --> 01:06:57,017

And so it's, it's unfortunate that he's

seemingly tainted his legacy a little bit.

: 1439

01:06:57,337 --> 01:06:57,997

Yeah.

: 1440

01:06:58,387 --> 01:06:58,747

Yeah.

: 1441

01:06:58,747 --> 01:07:01,987

And I was just a big fan,

a lot like platoon, big

: 1442

01:07:02,157 --> 01:07:04,237

Charlie Sheen fan and platoon.

: 1443

01:07:04,237 --> 01:07:05,527

And actually I've probably had a movie.

: 1444

01:07:05,527 --> 01:07:07,297

A lot of people haven't seen men at work.

: 1445

01:07:07,307 --> 01:07:09,077

He was in that and I

thought he was awesome.

: 1446

01:07:09,077 --> 01:07:11,147

And wasn't that with Emilio Estevez?

: 1447

01:07:11,607 --> 01:07:12,027

Yeah.

: 1448

01:07:12,377 --> 01:07:12,596

Yeah.

: 1449

01:07:12,596 --> 01:07:13,596

That was amazing.

: 1450

01:07:13,677 --> 01:07:14,637

That was incredible.

: 1451

01:07:14,647 --> 01:07:14,997

I don't know.

: 1452

01:07:14,997 --> 01:07:19,107

I don't think a lot of people have

seen that movie like, but I always

: 1453

01:07:19,107 --> 01:07:20,346

thought, man, it's a good movie.

: 1454

01:07:21,337 --> 01:07:25,067

I remember liking it, but again, I think

I only saw it the one time and he was

: 1455

01:07:25,096 --> 01:07:28,987

with Jennifer Gray in Ferris Bueller.

: 1456

01:07:29,662 --> 01:07:32,971

Yeah, classic, classic.

: 1457

01:07:33,482 --> 01:07:38,302

It's just weird to see these guys

like I was recently watching, I think

: 1458

01:07:38,302 --> 01:07:42,582

it was on, it was a TV show, but it

was basically like he played Richard

: 1459

01:07:42,592 --> 01:07:50,702

Sackler and, and the whole thing, Ferris

Bueller, and and I was like, he looks

: 1460

01:07:50,712 --> 01:07:53,502

so old, like, why does he look so old?

: 1461

01:07:53,512 --> 01:07:58,212

I just remember in Ferris Bueller's

Day Off, and the youthfulness of all

: 1462

01:07:58,212 --> 01:08:04,072

of the characters, And that, and it's

weird to see your 80s favorite actors

: 1463

01:08:04,182 --> 01:08:10,252

be old, deep, older people now you know,

like, this is strange, you know, it is.

: 1464

01:08:10,252 --> 01:08:10,952

I don't like it.

: 1465

01:08:11,962 --> 01:08:12,882

No, I don't like it either.

: 1466

01:08:13,042 --> 01:08:16,152

I'm just like, depending on how well

they take care of themselves or not.

: 1467

01:08:16,152 --> 01:08:17,292

It could be very rough.

: 1468

01:08:17,992 --> 01:08:19,011

And the look, you know.

: 1469

01:08:20,282 --> 01:08:20,792

Yeah.

: 1470

01:08:21,002 --> 01:08:24,242

Actually, the guy who played Cameron

was like 29 years old though when he

: 1471

01:08:24,242 --> 01:08:25,832

played him, when he played high school.

: 1472

01:08:25,832 --> 01:08:26,282

Oh, that's funny.

: 1473

01:08:26,522 --> 01:08:28,711

But that's, that was

common back in the day too.

: 1474

01:08:28,892 --> 01:08:28,952

Yeah.

: 1475

01:08:28,952 --> 01:08:30,242

Like straight up adults.

: 1476

01:08:31,091 --> 01:08:31,872

Very common.

: 1477

01:08:31,872 --> 01:08:32,862

Actually, A 9 0 2 1.

: 1478

01:08:32,862 --> 01:08:33,072

Oh.

: 1479

01:08:33,072 --> 01:08:35,292

All the people were not high schoolers.

: 1480

01:08:35,292 --> 01:08:37,572

They were all the way up to like 24, 25.

: 1481

01:08:37,572 --> 01:08:39,612

And then one of the characters was 29.

: 1482

01:08:39,702 --> 01:08:40,002

Yeah.

: 1483

01:08:40,211 --> 01:08:40,422

Yep.

: 1484

01:08:40,422 --> 01:08:41,051

For that.

: 1485

01:08:41,051 --> 01:08:41,742

So it's just weird.

: 1486

01:08:41,742 --> 01:08:44,682

They're like teen idols, but

they're like not teenagers.

: 1487

01:08:44,801 --> 01:08:45,252

Yeah.

: 1488

01:08:45,742 --> 01:08:46,732

Grown people.

: 1489

01:08:47,006 --> 01:08:50,082

, I mean, very grown

people playing teenagers.

: 1490

01:08:50,082 --> 01:08:50,381

Yeah.

: 1491

01:08:50,386 --> 01:08:50,471

Yeah.

: 1492

01:08:51,752 --> 01:08:56,452

So we did, we did talk about

this being filmed in New Mexico

: 1493

01:08:56,452 --> 01:08:58,102

and my love of Patrick Swayze.

: 1494

01:08:58,102 --> 01:09:03,551

So I remember reading a lot about this

and in his book, but he fell in love

: 1495

01:09:03,562 --> 01:09:09,332

with New Mexico while filming this

movie and then later he and his wife.

: 1496

01:09:09,627 --> 01:09:17,207

Purchased a 7, 200 plus acre ranch and

did he consult with Val Kilmer about this?

: 1497

01:09:17,207 --> 01:09:19,687

Another guy who loved loves a new Mexico.

: 1498

01:09:19,727 --> 01:09:20,917

Oh, that's right.

: 1499

01:09:21,267 --> 01:09:22,256

And he had a plane.

: 1500

01:09:22,256 --> 01:09:24,857

Like they had, he had a plane

that they'd fly back and forth.

: 1501

01:09:25,917 --> 01:09:27,607

Cause he, he had his pilot's license.

: 1502

01:09:28,207 --> 01:09:29,167

So, yeah.

: 1503

01:09:29,417 --> 01:09:29,617

Wow.

: 1504

01:09:29,617 --> 01:09:31,397

I didn't know that he moved there too.

: 1505

01:09:31,397 --> 01:09:34,537

I, cause New Mexico is

very famous for Val Kilmer.

: 1506

01:09:34,817 --> 01:09:39,077

Being there and actually I think

Julia Roberts has been there

: 1507

01:09:39,077 --> 01:09:40,327

too or a couple other people.

: 1508

01:09:40,336 --> 01:09:44,547

Oh, yeah, I could see that Yeah, like

love, New Mexico I feel like it's

: 1509

01:09:44,547 --> 01:09:49,167

always like they love New Mexico or

like Idaho like, you know, Sun Valley,

: 1510

01:09:49,167 --> 01:09:52,727

Idaho or something or Aspen It's

like these are the places a lot of

: 1511

01:09:52,727 --> 01:09:56,497

celebrities end up going if they're not

in Hollywood, you know Yep, or like one

: 1512

01:09:56,497 --> 01:09:59,507

of their five houses Yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1513

01:09:59,507 --> 01:10:00,317

I'm in New Mexico.

: 1514

01:10:00,467 --> 01:10:02,487

Honestly, I'm going to

be purely honest here.

: 1515

01:10:02,487 --> 01:10:03,207

I've been up.

: 1516

01:10:03,277 --> 01:10:04,627

I've been through the entire state.

: 1517

01:10:04,637 --> 01:10:07,047

Not a fan, not a fan.

: 1518

01:10:07,727 --> 01:10:12,557

Yeah, I'm not a fan either, but

yeah, for, I mean, there are parts

: 1519

01:10:12,557 --> 01:10:16,217

of it that are all right, but

yeah, I don't particularly love.

: 1520

01:10:17,187 --> 01:10:19,397

I guess I could see a ranch

being really beautiful.

: 1521

01:10:19,892 --> 01:10:22,682

But especially if you could still

see the mountains, I'm not sure,

: 1522

01:10:23,192 --> 01:10:29,642

but I don't love like the Southwest

look like all the Adobe and stuff.

: 1523

01:10:29,662 --> 01:10:30,922

Like, that's not my favorite look.

: 1524

01:10:30,922 --> 01:10:33,622

I like more like mid century.

: 1525

01:10:34,392 --> 01:10:34,742

Yeah.

: 1526

01:10:35,042 --> 01:10:35,552

Yeah.

: 1527

01:10:35,922 --> 01:10:36,182

Yeah.

: 1528

01:10:36,182 --> 01:10:38,632

I like Santa Fe quite a

bit, but that's about it.

: 1529

01:10:38,742 --> 01:10:40,042

And the rest, I don't know.

: 1530

01:10:40,042 --> 01:10:41,682

It's just not a pretty place.

: 1531

01:10:42,252 --> 01:10:45,662

And in general to me, I don't

know, but they, they loved it.

: 1532

01:10:45,672 --> 01:10:47,352

Apparently Swayze loved it that much.

: 1533

01:10:47,362 --> 01:10:48,632

7, 200 acres.

: 1534

01:10:48,632 --> 01:10:51,742

That's a significant commitment

because they were horse people.

: 1535

01:10:51,752 --> 01:10:56,412

Like they really liked just like having

all this land and you know, they're,

: 1536

01:10:56,412 --> 01:10:58,112

cause he's like originally from Texas.

: 1537

01:10:58,112 --> 01:11:04,972

And so, yeah, he's kind of that got

that outdoorsyness to him as well.

: 1538

01:11:05,947 --> 01:11:09,517

Yeah, that actually makes a lot of

sense with, but see what I mean, like

: 1539

01:11:10,117 --> 01:11:14,987

this level of almost contradiction

in a person is truly beautiful.

: 1540

01:11:15,277 --> 01:11:16,937

Like a ballet dancer from Texas.

: 1541

01:11:16,967 --> 01:11:20,867

Yeah, a ballet dancer from

Texas, New Mexico, Hollywood

: 1542

01:11:20,867 --> 01:11:23,117

icon, man's man, whatever.

: 1543

01:11:23,977 --> 01:11:28,487

Sensitive, strong, like there's very few

humans made of that stuff that I see.

: 1544

01:11:28,527 --> 01:11:31,297

I'm saying he's, he's spectacular.

: 1545

01:11:33,287 --> 01:11:34,157

You're all over this.

: 1546

01:11:34,157 --> 01:11:37,022

I just find that's a very

rare quality in a person.

: 1547

01:11:38,892 --> 01:11:45,392

You know, yeah John Milius carried

around a loaded pistol around set.

: 1548

01:11:46,172 --> 01:11:48,172

I don't think I don't

have been great today.

: 1549

01:11:49,062 --> 01:11:52,262

He would have been I

don't, I don't like that.

: 1550

01:11:52,772 --> 01:11:55,272

I would not feel comfortable

if I was a cast member.

: 1551

01:11:56,452 --> 01:11:59,102

Why did he, did they say

why he, it's just who he is.

: 1552

01:11:59,122 --> 01:12:00,662

He's just like that guy, I guess.

: 1553

01:12:00,952 --> 01:12:04,422

He's just like a big, I think

he's like a real big gun guy.

: 1554

01:12:04,912 --> 01:12:05,942

Oh, like, okay.

: 1555

01:12:06,432 --> 01:12:07,722

I feel like maybe I read that.

: 1556

01:12:07,812 --> 01:12:09,482

So he's all about, Oh,

you're on a movie set.

: 1557

01:12:09,492 --> 01:12:11,302

What do you think is going

to happen on the movie set?

: 1558

01:12:11,302 --> 01:12:13,582

Like some rogue actor is going

to tackle you or something?

: 1559

01:12:13,582 --> 01:12:13,872

I don't know.

: 1560

01:12:14,002 --> 01:12:16,052

Plus, plus it's like a war movie set.

: 1561

01:12:16,052 --> 01:12:19,202

So there's plenty of weaponry around.

: 1562

01:12:19,222 --> 01:12:19,792

I know.

: 1563

01:12:20,832 --> 01:12:21,252

I know.

: 1564

01:12:21,252 --> 01:12:21,882

That's yeah.

: 1565

01:12:21,882 --> 01:12:22,452

Whatever.

: 1566

01:12:24,027 --> 01:12:29,867

Yeah, there I somewhere I saw the

CIA or yeah, to CIA agents, actually,

: 1567

01:12:29,867 --> 01:12:34,297

because of all the weapon the tanks

and everything to CIA agents came to

: 1568

01:12:34,297 --> 01:12:38,137

the set investing reports of Russian

tanks in the area and they were

: 1569

01:12:38,147 --> 01:12:39,937

relieved to find out that it was.

: 1570

01:12:40,782 --> 01:12:44,182

For a movie and not a real invasion.

: 1571

01:12:44,212 --> 01:12:47,702

Yeah, Patrick Swayze's here.

: 1572

01:12:47,762 --> 01:12:48,252

Okay.

: 1573

01:12:48,462 --> 01:12:53,862

I'm like Charlie Sheen, but like

a lot of real military stuff.

: 1574

01:12:53,892 --> 01:12:58,732

I was reading about used the Wolverines,

like use stuff from this movie.

: 1575

01:12:58,742 --> 01:12:59,292

Okay.

: 1576

01:13:00,122 --> 01:13:04,202

Like during the: 2022

invasion of Ukraine, some abandoned

: 1577

01:13:04,212 --> 01:13:07,582

Russian tanks in Ukraine were

spray painted with Wolverines.

: 1578

01:13:08,307 --> 01:13:12,377

Across it in homage to

the movie and that movie.

: 1579

01:13:12,377 --> 01:13:13,077

Seriously.

: 1580

01:13:13,177 --> 01:13:13,627

Yeah.

: 1581

01:13:13,627 --> 01:13:15,747

And then there was let's see

: 1582

01:13:17,532 --> 01:13:21,482

the, when they caught Saddam Hussein,

the, let's see, where was it?

: 1583

01:13:22,752 --> 01:13:27,692

Red Dawn was the code name for

the military operation that

: 1584

01:13:27,692 --> 01:13:30,052

captured Saddam Hussein in: 2003

: 1585

01:13:31,052 --> 01:13:31,782

Wow.

: 1586

01:13:32,372 --> 01:13:38,192

I think the time period, like how

movies influence people so much.

: 1587

01:13:38,862 --> 01:13:42,692

Like they just have like, especially

eighties movies and I think also

: 1588

01:13:42,692 --> 01:13:45,152

nineties, but especially eighties movies.

: 1589

01:13:45,152 --> 01:13:47,942

There's just something about

them that sticks to your ribs

: 1590

01:13:48,412 --> 01:13:50,072

and they're just so memorable.

: 1591

01:13:50,082 --> 01:13:51,262

There's like a time.

: 1592

01:13:51,452 --> 01:13:56,022

I actually think the eighties

is a time in life that is so

: 1593

01:13:56,022 --> 01:13:57,802

unique in the history of humans.

: 1594

01:13:57,812 --> 01:13:58,832

This sounds ridiculous.

: 1595

01:13:58,832 --> 01:13:59,712

I know, but I just think.

: 1596

01:13:59,752 --> 01:14:00,732

No, it doesn't at all.

: 1597

01:14:00,732 --> 01:14:01,692

I fully agree.

: 1598

01:14:02,017 --> 01:14:05,867

I, right, I just think there's something

very, there was a shift in the 80s,

: 1599

01:14:06,007 --> 01:14:12,037

culturally, in the time that just I feel

like the shift was so gigantic from the

: 1600

01:14:12,047 --> 01:14:18,747

80s to where we are now, I just felt

like more fun, honestly, and I, I really

: 1601

01:14:18,747 --> 01:14:24,877

think that the fact that things were like

VHS, you had to go to the movies, you

: 1602

01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:28,817

had to wait a long time before something

came out, sequels weren't a big thing,

: 1603

01:14:29,717 --> 01:14:31,117

You know, the lack of the Internet.

: 1604

01:14:31,157 --> 01:14:34,957

I'm actually really happy that I did

not have the Internet during that time.

: 1605

01:14:35,017 --> 01:14:39,977

I really feel like I just think is

like a lot of people who were without

: 1606

01:14:39,977 --> 01:14:41,577

the Internet before it came along.

: 1607

01:14:41,617 --> 01:14:45,847

You, you have a special gift that

people today will never attain.

: 1608

01:14:47,677 --> 01:14:51,617

You have the ability to be

bored, the ability to just

: 1609

01:14:51,817 --> 01:14:53,447

see life in a different way.

: 1610

01:14:54,402 --> 01:14:58,292

And to be patient about things it's okay.

: 1611

01:14:58,292 --> 01:15:02,792

If your show doesn't come out the

next day, you know, it's like, yeah.

: 1612

01:15:02,792 --> 01:15:07,722

And that like dopamine hit of

getting likes or whatever on your

: 1613

01:15:07,722 --> 01:15:11,242

social media stuff, like having

to deal with that as a teenager.

: 1614

01:15:12,432 --> 01:15:17,202

I am part of a, there is a, it is

special so much so that there is a

: 1615

01:15:17,432 --> 01:15:25,002

sub generation dubbed that I'm so

people born between: 1977

: 1616

01:15:25,002 --> 01:15:25,077

Okay.

: 1617

01:15:25,957 --> 01:15:35,407

So the cusps, the cusp years of Gen X

and millennial, we are sub subgeneration

: 1618

01:15:35,407 --> 01:15:41,647

and Xenial with a, with an X Z or X E

N N I A L and they say it's so specific

: 1619

01:15:41,647 --> 01:15:44,727

because we had a analog childhood.

: 1620

01:15:45,612 --> 01:15:49,402

We grew up without the internet

riding our bikes around, but then

: 1621

01:15:49,432 --> 01:15:54,672

immediately as adults, we had the we

had a digital adulthood and that that's

: 1622

01:15:54,782 --> 01:16:00,892

like very specific to, I'm technically

a millennial, but I don't, I'm such

: 1623

01:16:00,892 --> 01:16:07,672

an old soul, like, I'm very much

more, gravitate towards Gen X stuff.

: 1624

01:16:08,372 --> 01:16:14,292

Yeah, I'm definitely a Gen Xer and in

that definitely in that little I'm square

: 1625

01:16:14,292 --> 01:16:21,152

in that you're in the 78, 78 when I

was born and it's just a special time.

: 1626

01:16:21,152 --> 01:16:22,172

We'll never get back.

: 1627

01:16:22,172 --> 01:16:24,952

And if you were born in that time,

you around that time, you have a,

: 1628

01:16:24,962 --> 01:16:27,252

you have a literally a superpower.

: 1629

01:16:28,057 --> 01:16:30,647

Like, you've existed in

the birth of something.

: 1630

01:16:30,857 --> 01:16:34,377

You, you, you existed during the birth

of something that's cataclysmic to

: 1631

01:16:34,377 --> 01:16:38,617

change humans forever, but you existed

also in a time when none of that was

: 1632

01:16:38,617 --> 01:16:41,517

available, and you had to be resourceful.

: 1633

01:16:41,737 --> 01:16:45,087

When you think about Gen X, what's

the worst thing to say about Gen X?

: 1634

01:16:45,107 --> 01:16:46,097

They were slackers.

: 1635

01:16:46,407 --> 01:16:49,957

I mean, I'm not a slacker, but that was

like the worst thing about the generation.

: 1636

01:16:50,527 --> 01:16:53,987

Think about the generations after

they get punished constantly with

: 1637

01:16:53,987 --> 01:16:55,657

all these terrible negative things.

: 1638

01:16:55,657 --> 01:16:57,627

Like it could be the worst.

: 1639

01:16:57,937 --> 01:17:02,607

Millennials, you know Gen Z, these

people get crushed constantly

: 1640

01:17:02,637 --> 01:17:03,817

for all these negative things.

: 1641

01:17:03,827 --> 01:17:06,317

The worst thing about us,

we were slackers up here.

: 1642

01:17:06,317 --> 01:17:07,627

Oh, we were latchkey kids.

: 1643

01:17:07,827 --> 01:17:10,817

You know, it's like,

which wasn't that bad.

: 1644

01:17:10,997 --> 01:17:11,416

Yeah.

: 1645

01:17:13,452 --> 01:17:13,922

Right.

: 1646

01:17:13,922 --> 01:17:16,512

You actually had to figure out

a lot of things on your own.

: 1647

01:17:16,512 --> 01:17:19,562

You couldn't just look up this magical

thing on a computer that told you

: 1648

01:17:19,562 --> 01:17:24,592

everything like you actually had to use

your brain, like use your brain and, and

: 1649

01:17:24,652 --> 01:17:32,312

be in silence, be in boredom, be like the

not being able to be bored was probably.

: 1650

01:17:32,812 --> 01:17:36,152

I feel like anybody who's, I'm not even

a parent, but I feel like all the parents

: 1651

01:17:36,152 --> 01:17:41,492

out there are like, Oh my God, yes,

like children cannot not be entertained.

: 1652

01:17:41,512 --> 01:17:41,922

Yeah.

: 1653

01:17:42,462 --> 01:17:43,442

Oh, completely.

: 1654

01:17:43,472 --> 01:17:45,412

Like the other day I was

making my daughter some food.

: 1655

01:17:45,422 --> 01:17:48,552

She's 12 and she said, what are

we going to do while we eat?

: 1656

01:17:48,582 --> 01:17:49,342

I said, nothing.

: 1657

01:17:49,352 --> 01:17:50,572

We're going to look at each other.

: 1658

01:17:50,612 --> 01:17:52,142

We're going to chat.

: 1659

01:17:52,422 --> 01:17:53,312

And she goes, really?

: 1660

01:17:53,312 --> 01:17:55,402

We're not going to watch

like a show or movies.

: 1661

01:17:55,402 --> 01:17:55,902

I said, no.

: 1662

01:17:56,117 --> 01:17:56,997

You don't need to do that.

: 1663

01:17:57,357 --> 01:17:59,097

Like, let's just talk.

: 1664

01:17:59,437 --> 01:18:00,517

What are we going to talk about?

: 1665

01:18:00,517 --> 01:18:01,347

I'm like, I don't know.

: 1666

01:18:01,357 --> 01:18:03,107

We're just going to, why

do we have to analyze this?

: 1667

01:18:03,137 --> 01:18:06,957

Like, you know, just, I don't know.

: 1668

01:18:08,457 --> 01:18:09,577

Or like car rides.

: 1669

01:18:09,587 --> 01:18:11,416

I so vividly, like, can you imagine?

: 1670

01:18:11,927 --> 01:18:17,077

I don't think children can even wrap

their brains around going on like an eight

: 1671

01:18:17,077 --> 01:18:21,067

hour car ride somewhere without a device.

: 1672

01:18:21,732 --> 01:18:25,122

We looked out the window and

counted cows and stuff, and

: 1673

01:18:25,122 --> 01:18:26,592

we're like, look, look at that.

: 1674

01:18:26,612 --> 01:18:29,541

We played road, like we made up games.

: 1675

01:18:30,952 --> 01:18:31,622

Yes.

: 1676

01:18:31,712 --> 01:18:32,782

Resourcefulness.

: 1677

01:18:32,842 --> 01:18:35,502

It serves you well in life.

: 1678

01:18:35,522 --> 01:18:39,212

And I just think that's to

me, the eighties, especially

: 1679

01:18:39,212 --> 01:18:41,122

the early to mid eighties.

: 1680

01:18:41,452 --> 01:18:44,992

You're in a time period where the

movies were just either terrible

: 1681

01:18:44,992 --> 01:18:48,552

or amazing, but even if they're

terrible, they became cult classics.

: 1682

01:18:49,002 --> 01:18:54,172

And you just, you could actually watch

something and you can remember the

: 1683

01:18:54,172 --> 01:18:57,682

lines of the movie and you weren't

distracted by other stuff happening,

: 1684

01:18:58,041 --> 01:19:00,472

like you're in front of that TV

or you're at that movie theater.

: 1685

01:19:00,852 --> 01:19:01,472

Think about it.

: 1686

01:19:01,472 --> 01:19:05,002

Now, if you're at a movie

theater, now you're thinking about

: 1687

01:19:05,412 --> 01:19:06,672

putting your hand in your pocket.

: 1688

01:19:06,672 --> 01:19:11,541

What's a, did someone text me

these notifications you know, all

: 1689

01:19:11,541 --> 01:19:15,482

that stuff needs to just remove

it, remove that pay attention.

: 1690

01:19:16,152 --> 01:19:19,812

And and then you really

ingest the movie for that.

: 1691

01:19:19,812 --> 01:19:24,072

So I actually think we have a huge

advantage on a lot of other people.

: 1692

01:19:24,192 --> 01:19:27,342

And you know you learned, like,

member talking on the phone.

: 1693

01:19:27,662 --> 01:19:31,212

Sorry, people, this is like, that's

what you live for to go home and

: 1694

01:19:31,212 --> 01:19:35,627

talk to someone on the phone,

hoping that the line wasn't busy.

: 1695

01:19:36,457 --> 01:19:39,147

You know, and that someone

else, you know, it's just like

: 1696

01:19:39,477 --> 01:19:41,267

having to just talk to people.

: 1697

01:19:41,277 --> 01:19:43,577

I had to teach my daughter

how to talk on the phone.

: 1698

01:19:43,577 --> 01:19:47,467

We actually had a fake phone call just

to like work on talking with each other.

: 1699

01:19:47,747 --> 01:19:48,787

That's so crazy.

: 1700

01:19:48,787 --> 01:19:48,987

Yeah.

: 1701

01:19:48,987 --> 01:19:53,157

If you liked a person like a 12 year

old back in the, you'd have to call

: 1702

01:19:53,157 --> 01:19:59,857

their home, talk to their parent,

parents, and ask for that person.

: 1703

01:19:59,997 --> 01:20:01,527

Can I please speak to whoever?

: 1704

01:20:02,117 --> 01:20:02,677

Yeah.

: 1705

01:20:02,897 --> 01:20:03,367

Yeah.

: 1706

01:20:03,367 --> 01:20:07,157

I don't like, like a lot of

little, little courageous moments

: 1707

01:20:07,157 --> 01:20:11,227

sprinkled throughout there and

riding your bike far away places.

: 1708

01:20:11,237 --> 01:20:13,916

You know, and I was a good, like,

you didn't know what your kid was

: 1709

01:20:13,916 --> 01:20:15,247

for like 10 hours during the day.

: 1710

01:20:15,287 --> 01:20:16,087

That's not good.

: 1711

01:20:16,627 --> 01:20:19,577

But you know, that

probably wasn't the best.

: 1712

01:20:19,577 --> 01:20:20,127

Hopefully they come home.

: 1713

01:20:20,916 --> 01:20:24,127

But, you know, maybe they'll show up,

you know, I mean, it's nicer now to

: 1714

01:20:24,137 --> 01:20:28,287

have GPS and I know where my daughter

is when she's out and stuff, but I

: 1715

01:20:28,287 --> 01:20:33,777

just think it's a time that is may

never, ever be replicated ever again.

: 1716

01:20:34,357 --> 01:20:35,207

Thank goodness.

: 1717

01:20:35,277 --> 01:20:36,747

I'm part of that time period.

: 1718

01:20:37,177 --> 01:20:37,957

I agree.

: 1719

01:20:38,027 --> 01:20:40,937

You know, what's literally.

: 1720

01:20:41,527 --> 01:20:46,477

What emulates the vast change I,

so I just got home from a trip

: 1721

01:20:46,487 --> 01:20:47,877

visiting a friend in Oregon.

: 1722

01:20:49,022 --> 01:20:49,702

Great trip.

: 1723

01:20:51,072 --> 01:20:51,942

She drops me off.

: 1724

01:20:52,282 --> 01:20:55,662

So I had my phone was charging in her car.

: 1725

01:20:55,962 --> 01:20:57,092

I get all my bags.

: 1726

01:20:57,272 --> 01:21:04,232

I go up to the desk to like, check my

bag in, get my phone out to show them.

: 1727

01:21:04,252 --> 01:21:06,452

Like my phone is and my phone is not.

: 1728

01:21:06,932 --> 01:21:12,082

My phone is in her car charging and

I'm like, I about had a hard time.

: 1729

01:21:12,132 --> 01:21:15,092

I was like, Oh, so many things

running through my head.

: 1730

01:21:15,092 --> 01:21:17,712

Like, how am I even going to get,

once I get home, I guess I'll have

: 1731

01:21:17,732 --> 01:21:20,612

to figure out a taxi instead of Uber.

: 1732

01:21:20,612 --> 01:21:23,032

And like, how do I even contact her?

: 1733

01:21:23,882 --> 01:21:24,892

But I was like, I.

: 1734

01:21:25,957 --> 01:21:29,567

I can't and I stood out there waiting

for a while, hoping she'd notice

: 1735

01:21:29,567 --> 01:21:36,337

and and then I was like, then it

occurred to me I had to accept that.

: 1736

01:21:36,337 --> 01:21:38,837

This is what's happening

and just get on my just.

: 1737

01:21:39,017 --> 01:21:39,437

Okay.

: 1738

01:21:39,437 --> 01:21:40,367

I still got to get on this.

: 1739

01:21:40,377 --> 01:21:44,507

So I started to go through security

and thankfully, it's a small airport.

: 1740

01:21:44,517 --> 01:21:46,666

So I kept an eye out like, they're.

: 1741

01:21:47,147 --> 01:21:51,947

I could still see the front door from

security and I saw her, so I just found

: 1742

01:21:51,947 --> 01:21:56,687

your security and I race back, but I

had a mini heart attack, of course,

: 1743

01:21:57,117 --> 01:22:03,887

but that is so definitive of like,

how our phones are everything to us.

: 1744

01:22:03,937 --> 01:22:06,737

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

: 1745

01:22:06,777 --> 01:22:09,337

And you just don't have

to think that much.

: 1746

01:22:10,217 --> 01:22:14,887

And this lack of thinking it just

makes me make it like the ultimate kids

: 1747

01:22:14,887 --> 01:22:18,647

movies like the Goonies and you think

about the resourcefulness of the kids

: 1748

01:22:18,707 --> 01:22:22,487

and you know all the stuff they did

during it like that was me that was

: 1749

01:22:22,487 --> 01:22:26,007

my that's why so many people love that

movie because it was literally most.

: 1750

01:22:26,377 --> 01:22:30,467

People's eighties childhood, messing

around, making up stuff, getting into

: 1751

01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:35,337

trouble, riding bikes, you know, trying

to figure out stuff to do while your

: 1752

01:22:35,337 --> 01:22:37,617

parents are at work and all that.

: 1753

01:22:37,666 --> 01:22:41,677

And and Red Dawn in many ways is

like the teenage version of that

: 1754

01:22:41,916 --> 01:22:46,387

set in a wartime experience, you

know, good take really good take.

: 1755

01:22:48,807 --> 01:22:49,617

That's so true.

: 1756

01:22:49,627 --> 01:22:50,077

It's different.

: 1757

01:22:50,147 --> 01:22:50,487

Yeah.

: 1758

01:22:50,557 --> 01:22:52,017

All your friends are there with you.

: 1759

01:22:52,017 --> 01:22:54,477

You're trying to, you're trying,

you have to be resourceful.

: 1760

01:22:54,537 --> 01:22:57,507

Imagine like how weird that

movie would be with phones.

: 1761

01:22:57,962 --> 01:23:02,982

No, all the adventure movies of our

childhood don't exist without, I mean,

: 1762

01:23:03,002 --> 01:23:09,392

if there's no, it takes away all of

the need for anything, if you have a

: 1763

01:23:09,392 --> 01:23:11,342

phone, the problem is solved for you.

: 1764

01:23:11,692 --> 01:23:12,372

It's solved.

: 1765

01:23:12,602 --> 01:23:12,822

Yeah.

: 1766

01:23:12,822 --> 01:23:13,192

Yeah.

: 1767

01:23:13,622 --> 01:23:14,002

Yeah.

: 1768

01:23:14,082 --> 01:23:17,142

I mean, so I just think

what a unique time in life.

: 1769

01:23:17,172 --> 01:23:21,322

What an incredible time in life

and what a great preparation.

: 1770

01:23:21,932 --> 01:23:23,872

And I think it made for better adults.

: 1771

01:23:23,872 --> 01:23:25,062

I'm just going to put it out there.

: 1772

01:23:25,152 --> 01:23:27,992

It just made for better adults

because you became an adult early.

: 1773

01:23:27,992 --> 01:23:28,007

Yeah.

: 1774

01:23:28,407 --> 01:23:32,937

When you grew up in this time, you had

a lot of responsibility, whereas now a

: 1775

01:23:32,937 --> 01:23:36,617

lot of the kids, their term adulting,

they delay adulthood as long as

: 1776

01:23:36,637 --> 01:23:38,587

possible because they're just coddled.

: 1777

01:23:39,217 --> 01:23:44,517

And they, they are fearful of the

responsibility versus nothing was greater

: 1778

01:23:44,897 --> 01:23:47,377

when you were 16 and you wanted to drive.

: 1779

01:23:47,427 --> 01:23:52,817

Like that was like the driving force

was independence, driving, finding out,

: 1780

01:23:52,837 --> 01:23:56,777

getting out there, doing my own thing,

hair, you know, going through my hair.

: 1781

01:23:57,522 --> 01:23:58,212

Couldn't wait.

: 1782

01:23:58,212 --> 01:24:01,472

It was like the, it was the

goal of your life to be able to

: 1783

01:24:01,472 --> 01:24:02,932

drive and become an adult now.

: 1784

01:24:02,932 --> 01:24:05,192

It's like, I would like

to be chauffeured around.

: 1785

01:24:05,342 --> 01:24:05,582

Yeah.

: 1786

01:24:06,252 --> 01:24:09,372

I really don't want to

be responsible for stuff.

: 1787

01:24:09,412 --> 01:24:09,942

Literally.

: 1788

01:24:09,942 --> 01:24:11,852

I mean, I hear this

all the time, you know?

: 1789

01:24:11,862 --> 01:24:13,012

No, it's so true.

: 1790

01:24:13,032 --> 01:24:18,312

And I wonder now, because I often

wonder about how people back in the

: 1791

01:24:18,312 --> 01:24:22,842

day, Like in the 80s, someone would

on a movie or TV show would be like

: 1792

01:24:22,952 --> 01:24:25,212

30, but they looked like they were 50.

: 1793

01:24:25,422 --> 01:24:26,112

Yeah.

: 1794

01:24:26,162 --> 01:24:28,612

And similar, you know what I mean?

: 1795

01:24:28,722 --> 01:24:32,102

And then when, you know, now obviously

part of it's because I'm old now,

: 1796

01:24:32,102 --> 01:24:34,192

but when I see a 30 year old now.

: 1797

01:24:35,177 --> 01:24:39,017

They look like they're a baby

still they're very young.

: 1798

01:24:39,217 --> 01:24:41,107

So, is it the delayed?

: 1799

01:24:41,117 --> 01:24:42,347

Do you think that has any?

: 1800

01:24:42,357 --> 01:24:43,437

Is there a correlation there?

: 1801

01:24:44,527 --> 01:24:48,307

I think that I think just like

people look younger older now.

: 1802

01:24:48,787 --> 01:24:54,197

Just speak this more of an

understanding of people are taking

: 1803

01:24:54,197 --> 01:24:56,267

much better care of themselves and.

: 1804

01:24:56,617 --> 01:25:01,867

And people have means, I think, for a

lot of people who are understand we're

: 1805

01:25:01,887 --> 01:25:06,037

coming online more about what it means

to take care of yourself, self care,

: 1806

01:25:06,567 --> 01:25:11,307

and when you know, people are drinking

less alcohol, they're, they're having,

: 1807

01:25:11,317 --> 01:25:15,477

they're eating much better, you know,

there's obviously many exceptions to that,

: 1808

01:25:15,477 --> 01:25:21,587

but I just think people are not, Like

living hard the way they used to before

: 1809

01:25:22,137 --> 01:25:23,647

it's like, okay, I'm going to get sleep.

: 1810

01:25:23,666 --> 01:25:27,177

There was this whole thing in the

eighties, nineties, like sleep when I die,

: 1811

01:25:27,187 --> 01:25:29,197

you know, it's like this whole craziness.

: 1812

01:25:29,567 --> 01:25:33,067

Now it's like, I need to get my

7 to 9 hours, you know, I need

: 1813

01:25:33,067 --> 01:25:34,617

to have less stress in my life.

: 1814

01:25:35,247 --> 01:25:39,127

And I think a lot of that eighties

mentality was like, especially if you

: 1815

01:25:39,127 --> 01:25:44,282

think about kind of this, wall street

mentality, wealth, excess work yourself

: 1816

01:25:44,282 --> 01:25:49,352

to the bone just to become wealthy, you

know, excess, excess, excess, you know?

: 1817

01:25:49,732 --> 01:25:55,162

Yeah, I, I hate, I despise also I'm

like a skeptic, like I'm a very, I

: 1818

01:25:55,162 --> 01:26:02,362

don't know, I see things, but like in

the corporate world when somebody who's

: 1819

01:26:02,382 --> 01:26:07,322

interviewing me or I see it in their

job posting, we work hard and play hard.

: 1820

01:26:07,322 --> 01:26:08,112

I'm like, Nope.

: 1821

01:26:08,722 --> 01:26:11,002

That's not like, I, I hate.

: 1822

01:26:11,642 --> 01:26:14,812

That term, for some

reason, it really it's me.

: 1823

01:26:15,672 --> 01:26:19,832

Yeah, I think it's just a different

and I, I think you'll see humans will

: 1824

01:26:19,832 --> 01:26:23,952

continue to look much younger at all

ages throughout the course of that

: 1825

01:26:23,962 --> 01:26:28,041

people who are paying attention versus

if you think about if you see pictures

: 1826

01:26:28,041 --> 01:26:32,832

of people in the, early: 1900

could say, Oh, this person is 25.

: 1827

01:26:32,872 --> 01:26:34,022

They look like they're 60.

: 1828

01:26:34,092 --> 01:26:35,742

I mean, they look so old.

: 1829

01:26:36,342 --> 01:26:38,722

It's because life was so hard.

: 1830

01:26:38,772 --> 01:26:40,552

It was so hard.

: 1831

01:26:40,942 --> 01:26:43,932

Literally it was survival every day.

: 1832

01:26:44,322 --> 01:26:49,592

And that takes a toll on a person's

health, health and wellness.

: 1833

01:26:49,592 --> 01:26:53,422

And it just, people aren't living like

that in developed countries anymore.

: 1834

01:26:53,982 --> 01:26:57,012

So so it's just really

interesting to see, but.

: 1835

01:26:57,507 --> 01:27:02,307

I just think we're in a what a time,

I'll talk about the 80s with anyone,

: 1836

01:27:02,547 --> 01:27:05,757

and I know it's kind of a gadgety

kind of period to a lot of people,

: 1837

01:27:05,757 --> 01:27:10,087

but it's, it's, it's actually one of

the greatest decades in human history.

: 1838

01:27:10,087 --> 01:27:11,127

That's not even a joke.

: 1839

01:27:11,507 --> 01:27:12,307

It really is.

: 1840

01:27:12,416 --> 01:27:17,497

I literally have a show called

RetroMade that is about the 80s

: 1841

01:27:17,567 --> 01:27:20,387

but so I wholeheartedly agree.

: 1842

01:27:20,697 --> 01:27:23,997

And I think a lot of people

of our generation do too.

: 1843

01:27:24,457 --> 01:27:28,017

So, yeah, I think just like the

people who, you know, the greatest

: 1844

01:27:28,017 --> 01:27:32,747

generation back and back in the

day they feel very similar about

: 1845

01:27:33,117 --> 01:27:34,537

how we feel about the eighties.

: 1846

01:27:34,537 --> 01:27:35,567

Yeah, exactly.

: 1847

01:27:35,567 --> 01:27:40,067

I, I don't think that a lot of people

today feel very similar about their

: 1848

01:27:40,067 --> 01:27:42,416

generation just for my conversations.

: 1849

01:27:42,697 --> 01:27:46,487

Yeah, I think they just feel a lot

of upheaval, like they're getting

: 1850

01:27:46,487 --> 01:27:49,847

screwed left and right with the housing

market and all these different things.

: 1851

01:27:49,987 --> 01:27:52,416

They feel like this isn't that great.

: 1852

01:27:52,897 --> 01:27:56,247

Whereas I never once thought

that in the eighties, never.

: 1853

01:27:56,287 --> 01:27:58,357

Oh, and looking back like,

oh, that wasn't great.

: 1854

01:27:58,357 --> 01:27:59,597

I was like, wow, that was really good.

: 1855

01:27:59,807 --> 01:28:00,617

It was like.

: 1856

01:28:02,842 --> 01:28:03,822

Perfect.

: 1857

01:28:04,702 --> 01:28:11,722

Well, so Red Dawn, as we've discussed, is

a departure from the movies that RetroMate

: 1858

01:28:11,732 --> 01:28:13,902

has covered so far with Kurt and Patrick.

: 1859

01:28:14,222 --> 01:28:17,842

So, in a way, it was kind of a nice

change of scenery and I can never get

: 1860

01:28:17,842 --> 01:28:23,532

too much Patrick Spacey, but I'd rather

not remain in this version of: 1984

: 1861

01:28:24,762 --> 01:28:29,772

So, we must now return to present day

reality until the next RetroMate episode.

: 1862

01:28:30,307 --> 01:28:33,647

Darian, it was a pleasure to

talk with you about: 1984

: 1863

01:28:33,787 --> 01:28:36,527

interesting journey that is Red Dawn.

: 1864

01:28:37,577 --> 01:28:41,217

Do you have any closing thoughts

or places where we can find you?

: 1865

01:28:42,397 --> 01:28:45,487

Well, definitely drdarianparker.

: 1866

01:28:45,517 --> 01:28:46,987

com, spell the doctor out.

: 1867

01:28:47,027 --> 01:28:51,327

It's basically the main place

you'll find anything about me.

: 1868

01:28:51,689 --> 01:28:57,919

Thoughts just that, if you are listening

to this and you were not born in that

: 1869

01:28:57,919 --> 01:29:02,989

time period and you're part of a newer

generation of people, I highly suggest you

: 1870

01:29:02,989 --> 01:29:05,109

do what I do with my 12 year old daughter.

: 1871

01:29:05,509 --> 01:29:08,869

I've taken her back through

all the 80s, great 80s movies.

: 1872

01:29:08,879 --> 01:29:13,979

She knows almost every 80s movies we're

talking about here and she always says.

: 1873

01:29:14,459 --> 01:29:20,749

I like 80s movies the best and she's 12

and she's seen a bunch of movies currently

: 1874

01:29:20,749 --> 01:29:24,859

too, but I said, Hey, these, there's

maybe not a better thing to introduce.

: 1875

01:29:24,859 --> 01:29:25,889

Go watch Ghostbusters.

: 1876

01:29:25,898 --> 01:29:30,389

Okay, right now, go watch Ghostbusters,

go watch Red Dawn opposite type of movie.

: 1877

01:29:30,789 --> 01:29:33,929

And I think you'll find

there's a lot of heart.

: 1878

01:29:33,929 --> 01:29:39,818

80s movies have a lot of heart

and feels so much heart in these

: 1879

01:29:39,818 --> 01:29:42,249

movies, a lot of great actors.

: 1880

01:29:42,789 --> 01:29:46,529

And lots of incredible themes that

I think will make you think about

: 1881

01:29:46,529 --> 01:29:47,839

your current life quite a bit.

: 1882

01:29:49,249 --> 01:29:51,349

That is so well said.

: 1883

01:29:51,359 --> 01:29:52,389

Thank you.

: 1884

01:29:52,699 --> 01:29:52,939

Thank you.

: 1885

01:29:52,949 --> 01:29:56,159

And thank you all for

listening or watching.

: 1886

01:29:56,639 --> 01:29:58,749

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: 1887

01:29:58,999 --> 01:30:00,789

If not head on over and do so.

: 1888

01:30:01,148 --> 01:30:06,019

And I would love for you to offer a

rating and a review and please keep

: 1889

01:30:06,019 --> 01:30:12,359

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