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Episode 10

Overboard | S1E10

We travel to December of 1987 for my FAVORITE Kurt Russell movie, where he joins his real-life partner in the comedy gold that is Overboard!

Reminiscing with me today is Doug Greenberg, another fellow “Last of the Action Heroes Podcast Network” host - he hosts Rocky Minute (where they analyze the Rocky movies one minute at a time), among a few others. Check them out: https://open.spotify.com/show/6y647iJA6tORHzhbQiYMIc

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Transcript
Katie:

Hello.

Katie:

Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

Katie:

Let's take another trip down memory lane.

Katie:

Today we travel back to December of 1987 to discuss my favorite Curt

Katie:

Russell movie where he joins his real life partner in the comedy gold.

Katie:

That is Overboard.

Katie:

I'm excited to have Doug Greenberg joining me today.

Katie:

And Doug is a fellow last of the Action Heroes podcast network

Katie:

host, where he hosts Rocky Minute, as well as some flagship network,

Katie:

Stallone Gems with Ryan and Craig.

Katie:

Doug, thank you so much for joining me.

Doug:

Thank you for having me, Katie.

Doug:

This is an honor to be, uh, to be part of your, your little journey down memory

Doug:

lane.

Doug:

I love it.

Katie:

Oh, thanks.

Katie:

Well, tell us more about your shows and, and when, when we can expect some more.

Katie:

Uh, Rocky Minute

Doug:

That is the question, isn't it?

Doug:

My main show is Rocky Minute.

Doug:

I've been doing it for, I think we, we released season one in 2017,

Doug:

so we've been at it for a while.

Doug:

What, yeah, what we do is we go, me and my co-host, we're going through

Doug:

the rocky minutes, um, analyzing one minute of movie time, each episode.

Doug:

Um, a few major life, uh, events happened right around the pandemic in

Doug:

2020 and, uh, it stalled production where, uh, I'm kind of dripping out,

Doug:

, episodes of Rocky Three as we speak.

Doug:

Um, they're not coming out as frequently as, as, the first couple of

Doug:

seasons were, but they're coming out.

Doug:

Anybody that's wondering, Rocky Minute is still a thing.

Doug:

We're still going, and, um, you know, we're gonna, we're we're moving forward's.

Doug:

All I could say,

Katie:

That's good to hear.

Katie:

Good to hear.

Doug:

Um, as of the other ones, I, I, uh, like you said, I co-host, Sylvester SLO

Doug:

Fan Podcast Network with Ryan and Craig.

Doug:

And, um, we do, uh, Sylvester SLO movies and one-off episodes, and we're

Doug:

kind of going through his home film,, whole filmography, uh, good And the Bad

Doug:

little by

Katie:

Yeah,

Doug:

and also I appreciate that as well.

Doug:

Also, I'm, um, with cco, uh, another last of the Action Heroes host.

Doug:

Uh, we're doing the Arnold Podcast, where we're doing select Arnold movies.

Katie:

right.

Katie:

that's right.

Katie:

I just haven't heard an episode lately, and so I had kind of forgotten about

Katie:

that, but thank you for bringing that up.

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

We're coming back, I think this fall with, um, with another block of

Doug:

episodes.

Katie:

Awesome.

Katie:

Let's, maybe get into the retro frame of mind by opening the

Katie:

time capsule from December, 1987.

Katie:

I gotta say, I think that 1987 might be the best year of the

Katie:

eighties for this type of nostalgia.

Katie:

It's maybe the best eighties year.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

You know, night, I'm, I'm a total eighties kid, I was born in 78,

Doug:

so I, I lived, you know, most of my life through the eighties.

Doug:

So this, I mean, when, when you do these episodes, it really like, hits home

Doug:

for me because I, I love the nostalgia part of it because it's, I lived it,

Doug:

you know, and yeah, 1987 stands out.

Doug:

I was nine years old and it was just like, it was a monster of a year for

Doug:

like, movies and, and just pop culture and

Doug:

everything.

Katie:

It was, and you know, as we'll get into the TV lineup.

Katie:

The cartoons, like everything.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

And the movies.

Katie:

Every 87 was quite the year we did already cover.

Katie:

So the Dirty Dancing episode, we covered a lot of stuff from

Katie:

um, 1987, um, in that episode.

Katie:

But I usually do these like what was happening in the

Katie:

month of the movies release.

Katie:

So this might be like slightly different.

Katie:

The 87 to 88, season for primetime, the top shows.

Katie:

I mean, just a stellar lineup.

Katie:

The Cosby Show, A Different World.

Katie:

Cheers.

Katie:

Golden Girls Growing Pains.

Katie:

Who's the Boss?

Katie:

Night Court murder.

Katie:

She wrote AF and The Wonder Years.

Katie:

I mean, those are all awesome shows.

Katie:

What were you watching?

Doug:

Yeah, definitely.

Doug:

I was big on

Doug:

Alf.

Katie:

oh, really?

Doug:

Alf.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

I, I loved the Wonder Years, um, Cosby show.

Doug:

I, I watched a lot of, my dad was, he was big on Cheers, so I saw a lot of cheers,

Doug:

kind of, um, like a secondhand, you know, just being in the room while it was on.

Doug:

But I don't, I don't think, I think Cheers was a little grown up for me at the time.

Doug:

I didn't appreciate it

Katie:

Yeah,

Doug:

but watching reruns now, I, I get it, you know?

Doug:

Um, I know you're a big Golden Girls fan, right?

Katie:

Oh my God, it's so good.

Katie:

Did you watch it at all, or no?

Doug:

Um, maybe, maybe here and there, but it wasn't, wasn't on my radar as much.

Katie:

I can see that.

Katie:

Who's the boss in growing pains?

Katie:

Those were like two families that like kind of epitomize the eighties sitcom

Katie:

for me, in addition to the Cosby Show.

Katie:

But man,

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

I, for forgot those totally.

Doug:

Uh, Samantha Masselli was my first

Doug:

crush.

Doug:

Uh, Alyssa

Katie:

Oh, I can see that.

Katie:

I can see that.

Doug:

yeah.

Katie:

I really liked Tony Maselli or Tony Danza.

Doug:

can, I can imagine.

Katie:

a, even as a kid, I, I guess I really liked those Italian guys

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

some reason.

Katie:

And the

Doug:

Frank's

Doug:

Stallone though, huh?

Katie:

no, no, no, no, no, no.

Katie:

Cando, speaking of Ryan, , who I do the Rocky show with, he has a Rambo podcast.

Katie:

So Doug is referencing his Frank Stallone coverage on that show, which is hilarious.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Uh, you're about to say the theme

Doug:

songs.

Katie:

yes, the theme songs, the eighties, like they just don't make 'em like,

Katie:

they don't do it like this anymore.

Katie:

But eighties sitcom theme songs were, that's where it was at.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

And, they're so famous and so like well-known that they've been spoofed

Doug:

a hundred times, you know, but it's, I mean, they, they were every single,

Doug:

I mean, cheers was legendary, but you know, you take like the growing pains

Doug:

where, you know, the guy, the character throws a football to the other one and

Doug:

then stands and looks at the camera with his arms crossed, you know what I mean?

Doug:

It was like before the title, their, uh, name card comes up.

Doug:

It's just goofy, goofy theme songs and, and like, uh, opening credits.

Doug:

But I love It, Love every

Katie:

I do too.

Katie:

I mean, and it is kind of cheesy, but that's, I, I like it.

Katie:

It was like a simpler time, obviously.

Katie:

Maybe.

Katie:

'cause we were kids, but it just seemed like the eighties were simpler.

Katie:

We didn't have the internet yet.

Doug:

Yeah,

Katie:

You know?

Doug:

definitely a simpler time.

Doug:

Now I see what my kids are involved in nowadays, and I'm like, they're just,

Doug:

they're growing up way too fast now.

Doug:

They have access to too much.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

That's hard.

Katie:

Thankfully I don't have the human ones, . That's, that's gotta be hard.

Katie:

But speaking of kids, so well, you were nine, so you probably still watched

Katie:

cartoons around this time or not.

Katie:

Were you more into

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

No, you know, and I, I know wrestling is a, is a, a sticking point on your

Doug:

show too, but I, I mean, I, I was such a, a Fairweather wrestling fan.

Doug:

Like I knew the guys, but I, I wasn't sitting in front of the TV every Saturday

Doug:

morning watching wrestling matches.

Doug:

I was more of a cartoon

Doug:

kid.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

yeah, same, like I, same about wrestling, but the cartoons 87 Man

Katie:

Care Bears, pound Puppies, the Real Ghostbusters, the Flintstone Kids,

Katie:

Muppet Babies, peewees Playhouse, which, um, you know, r i p to, uh, Paul

Katie:

Rubins, who recently passed Smurfs, Fraggle Rock, Alvin and the Chipmunks.

Katie:

So those were some of the big shows.

Katie:

Were you watching those or something else that you remember?

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Well, I,

Katie:

to late eighties.

Doug:

as far as like the, the contemporary ones, I was watching some of those, not

Doug:

so much Care Bears or Pound puppies, but, um, uh, definitely Frale Rock.

Doug:

Um, where are some of the other ones

Doug:

you just said?

Katie:

Flintstone Kids.

Katie:

Muppet Babies.

Katie:

Peewee.

Katie:

Smurfs?

Doug:

Babies.

Doug:

Peewee.

Doug:

Yeah, for sure.

Doug:

Smurfs, yes.

Doug:

But, um, the bigger thing that I was into was like the Looney Tunes

Katie:

Oh, like the after

Doug:

from like, the, the thirties and forties.

Doug:

Like those, like the old school

Doug:

ones.

Doug:

I watched

Katie:

those on after

Katie:

school?

Katie:

Were tho, or when were those on,

Doug:

They were on early in the morning on school days.

Doug:

So I would wake up, I would wake up early, sit in front of TV

Doug:

with my little bowl of cereal,

Doug:

and I

Katie:

I love it.

Doug:

Tunes.

Doug:

They were on early Saturday mornings, uh, after, no, after school was like

Doug:

the, that, that was like the GI Joe and, and, uh, Thundercats and stuff.

Doug:

That's when I, I remember watching those.

Katie:

So the Looney was that also like, um, Tom and Jerry and uh,

Katie:

a Roadrunner and stuff like that.

Doug:

Y yeah.

Doug:

Roadrunner, um, bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Foghorn, Leghorn,

Doug:

like all, all those characters.

Doug:

Um, Tom and Jerry was, was a different studio, but they, they ran in

Doug:

the same, you know, the same, um, channel and time blocks and stuff.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

What bowl of cereal were you sitting on?

Katie:

The, were you sitting on the floor, like in front of the TV or on the couch?

Doug:

Yeah,

Doug:

Oh yeah.

Doug:

No, it, it, it, there was like, across the living room from the TV was a couch.

Doug:

I would sit on the floor back against the couch.

Doug:

It was usually like Fruit Loops or Lucky Charms, you know, frosted Flakes.

Doug:

Something, something loaded with Sugar

Doug:

You know

Katie:

my God.

Katie:

I literally just bought Captain Crunch

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Captain Crunch.

Doug:

Heck yeah.

Katie:

I'm so ridiculous.

Katie:

It's so bad that I used to eat cereal, but I love it.

Doug:

No, don't, don't feel bad.

Doug:

'cause I mean, like you said, I got kids and if they see one bowl out

Doug:

of the box of cereal, they're lucky.

Katie:

Oh, really?

Katie:

I kind of assumed that you wouldn't eat like sugar or cereal, aren't you?

Katie:

Um, like a, a fitness and health guy.

Doug:

I, I, I am, I am.

Doug:

But, Well, actually I'm, I'm doing a lot of, uh, sympathy

Doug:

eating now because my

Katie:

Oh.

Katie:

Oh, well that's good for you.

Katie:

That's nice of you.

Katie:

I

Katie:

love

Doug:

so I'm doing a lot of, I'm doing, uh, I'm doing a lot of

Doug:

that, but also even, even when, when I'm trying to stay fit.

Doug:

I'm 45 years old, so I'm not entering any bodybuilding competitions.

Doug:

I kind of just live for like a healthy lifestyle, but I'm not gonna deny myself

Doug:

life's joys, you know what I mean?

Doug:

So we go out for ice cream every couple of weeks or once a month, and I'm not

Doug:

gonna count my calories like that.

Doug:

Stringently.

Katie:

that's good to hear.

Katie:

You're like a normal human being then.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

yes.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I like that.

Katie:

I try not, uh, probably not as much as I should, but I'm, yeah.

Katie:

I'm eating some cereal and vegan ice

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

You can't deny yourself.

Doug:

You know those little joys

Doug:

in life.

Katie:

I agree.

Katie:

I agree.

Katie:

It's like the few things that we have in our

Doug:

It's moderation, right?

Doug:

Just, yeah, just like everything in life, everything's okay in moderation.

Katie:

Agreed.

Katie:

Okay, so since we kind of covered 87 a little bit, I wanted to bring

Katie:

something that we didn't talk about already in the dirty dancing episode,

Katie:

which is the fashion from 1987 . The eighties fashion was, I mean, I wouldn't

Katie:

say great, just memorable maybe.

Katie:

So for women it was, so this was the late eighties, generally

Katie:

speaking, not necessarily just 87 miniskirts worn with tights,

Katie:

pantyhose leggings, or slouch socks.

Katie:

Do you remember slouch socks?

Katie:

, Doug: Sure do.

Katie:

Oversized t-shirts and sweaters and stuff.

Katie:

Worn over leggings or stirrup pants.

Katie:

That was the worst.

Katie:

Stirrup pants were terrible.

Katie:

I don't know whoever came up with that, but that was bad.

Katie:

Cropped jackets.

Doug:

went under your, that went under your foot

Doug:

and,

Katie:

And then made it like tight, but they weren't like tight.

Katie:

It was a bad look.

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

Okay.

Doug:

. I don't recall

Doug:

those as

Katie:

You don't, do you have

Doug:

not those, not an older si.

Doug:

I have a younger sister,

Katie:

Oh, so she

Doug:

she's more of a nineties kid than a eighties

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Tapa and poof.

Katie:

Dresses were big.

Katie:

So I'm picturing like Madonna and Cindy Lauper

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

esque, the Shoes and Accessories.

Katie:

So Ted's shoes and Sperry shoes, brightly colored shoes with thin heels, narrow

Katie:

multicolored belts, berets, lacy gloves, beaded necklaces, and plastic bracelets.

Katie:

I can remember all of this.

Doug:

What about the shoes with the different colored laces?

Doug:

The fluorescent, uh, shoe

Doug:

laces.

Katie:

I like, I had a pair of like high top LA gear that

Katie:

were like neon pink and green.

Katie:

And then yeah, the shoe laces.

Katie:

Did you have different colored shoe laces in your shoes too?

Doug:

I, I, I didn't, I didn't, but I, I distinctly remember

Doug:

that being a thing back then.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

Hair.

Doug:

I, I was such a nerd.

Doug:

wait

Katie:

Well, we'll get to the men's stuff.

Katie:

I can, yes.

Katie:

I have questions because we're still with women's stuff.

Katie:

Bangs with headbands or a ponytail and a scrunchie and side ponytails.

Katie:

So I am at this time, what am I?

Katie:

Um, five, six.

Katie:

I'm six here.

Katie:

I'm six.

Katie:

So

Katie:

side ponytails, I totally rocked a side ponytail.

Katie:

Big time.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

According to my research for men, those parachute pants were big.

Katie:

Like the mc hammer, parachute pants.

Katie:

Do you know what I'm

Doug:

Oh, okay.

Doug:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Katie:

Do you remember those?

Doug:

Yeah, but nobody really wore those, those styles.

Doug:

Did we?

Doug:

The, the parachute pants that the guys wore back then were called Zaz

Doug:

and

Katie:

oh, you called it, pronounce it again.

Katie:

Zba.

Katie:

We called 'em zba, but yeah.

Katie:

Yes,

Doug:

zba.

Doug:

Oh, yeah, yeah,

Katie:

Yes.

Doug:

yeah,

Doug:

But they, they were very brightly colored.

Doug:

Um, the most comfortable thing you could put on your body.

Doug:

They felt like pajama pants that you were wearing outside.

Katie:

how would you describe how those are?

Katie:

I remember them being like, um, like animal print almost the ones I saw.

Katie:

But were they not necessarily

Doug:

No, they, they, I mean, I mean, think it back of, you know, the eighties,

Doug:

just like a, a really cluttered, um, scene of, you know, shapes and, and

Doug:

swirly and lightning bolts and stuff.

Doug:

Or, or you could get like a sports team.

Doug:

It had the New York Giants logo

Katie:

Oh, yes.

Doug:

up and down the pants, you know.

Katie:

Just very obnoxious

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Um, I don't know if you, you remember Joey Buttafuoco,

Doug:

uh,

Katie:

Yeah, I do.

Doug:

into , into the

Doug:

Limelight,

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

And your girl, Alyssa Milano, was in that made for TV movie about them, right?

Doug:

Oh, Amy Fisher.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah, yeah.

Katie:

Mm-hmm.

Doug:

She played Amy Fisher.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

I think we're talking nineties though.

Doug:

We better back it up a little

Doug:

bit.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Maybe, maybe.

Katie:

Did you, so did you have zba

Doug:

Yeah, I, I had like one pair that had Giants logos all over them,

Doug:

but I mean, you know, my family didn't care to, to splurge on things just

Doug:

because they were hot and fashion.

Katie:

Trendy?

Katie:

yeah, yeah.

Katie:

yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

Uh, did you have a mullet?

Katie:

Apparently mullets were, A thing in the late

Doug:

Sad to say.

Doug:

Sad to.

Doug:

It wasn't like one of the really long in the back ones, but it was like,

Doug:

actually it kind of resembles more like the mullet Center in style now that was

Doug:

just like really bushy in the back, but everything else was short, you know?

Doug:

So it wasn't like down past my shoulders or anything.

Doug:

Yeah, I had like a mini mullet.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

What is your hair curly?

Katie:

Or was it like curly or

Doug:

Yeah, it would, it would get curly the longer it got.

Doug:

The curlier it

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

Oh my God, that's a look that I just, even the, I don't like it,

Katie:

I don't like a mullet because like Patrick Swayze and Kurt Russell

Katie:

rocked like mini mullets in the late

Katie:

eighties, and I, I don't, not, I don't love it.

Doug:

No, I never did.

Doug:

I always thought it looked stupid.

Katie:

So the other, so it was either, apparently for men, it was either a

Katie:

mullet or like very neatly groomed, super short hair or like, um, like kind

Katie:

of side swept bangs for boys and men.

Doug:

Hmm.

Katie:

And for both men and women, aquanet hairspray.

Katie:

Do you remember the, did you ever use hairspray?

Katie:

Maybe you didn't, but apparent, like, this is the, like Hairband era.

Katie:

So like, Aquanet became like a huge thing apparently in the late eighties.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

I I also, my mom, she, she was big on getting perms back in the day, so

Doug:

she would go through cans that out.

Doug:

I distinctly remember the giant can of Aquanet sitting on the kitchen counter.

Doug:

The thing was as tall as me.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Oh my god.

Doug:

not, not kitchen.

Doug:

The bathroom counter.

Doug:

The

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I knew what you

Doug:

yeah, yeah.

Doug:

That, that's why we got all those damn holes in the

Doug:

ozone is

Katie:

Well,

Katie:

that was a big

Katie:

thing too.

Katie:

They, whatever happened to the ozone layer?

Katie:

We don't hear about that anymore.

Doug:

I know.

Doug:

I know.

Katie:

Did you go to a public school?

Katie:

Like was fashion a thing?

Katie:

Like did you dress, did you try and like dress cool?

Doug:

I tried.

Doug:

I tried, and the, the closest I came, all right, my, my regular everyday

Doug:

outfits, I don't know if you remember this brand, they sold it at like Kmart.

Doug:

It was called Ocean Pacific

Doug:

Op,

Katie:

yeah.

Katie:

I do.

Katie:

Op, Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

So my wardrobe consisted of a lot of op stuff, you know, I mean, you shirts

Doug:

that had like a big fluorescent logo on the front shorts that were, you know,

Doug:

just very busy with magenta stripes, you know, going through it and stuff.

Doug:

Things like that.

Doug:

Um, the, uh, the, the socks with the three stripes, the three stripes, socks

Doug:

pulled all the way up to my knees.

Katie:

Oh, I love those.

Doug:

Yep.

Doug:

Glasses with lenses as big as my

Doug:

head.

Katie:

Oh, are you blind or j

Katie:

Not thick.

Katie:

Just big li Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah, like just big, like wide looking, uh, you know, um, just because

Doug:

that's what we wore back in the eighties.

Doug:

Um, but, but one day I was able to, I don't know if it was a Christmas

Doug:

gift or, or whatever, but I was able to convince my parents to get

Doug:

me a pair of Z Cava richi pants.

Doug:

Do you remember those?

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

And I that that was like the epitome of like, I don't know,

Katie:

designer ness of the eighties, right.

Katie:

Z calves

Katie:

guests

Doug:

I had one pair

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

were black and they had the, the, the thing that was famous about them

Doug:

is they had the white Z Cava Richi logo that went down the, the front of the fly.

Doug:

um, yeah.

Doug:

And I rocked the shit outta my Z calves in, uh, eighth grade

Katie:

I love that.

Katie:

That's awesome.

Katie:

God.

Katie:

Designer jeans.

Katie:

Yeah, I kind of forgot about that.

Katie:

That's also in the nineties, but, ugh.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

Shall we move on to music?

Katie:

The Top 10 Billboards?

Katie:

We have George Michael, with Faith as the number one song I love.

Katie:

I loved George Michael and his videos.

Katie:

White Snakes.

Katie:

Is This Love also Good Videos?

Katie:

Actually, no.

Katie:

Was that the one with Tawny Cat or was it a different white snake video?

Katie:

Like

Doug:

the one with Tony Cat contain was, here I

Doug:

go again.

Katie:

Oh yeah.

Katie:

Oh, that's a

Doug:

I know.

Doug:

Um, yeah, that is, I mean, they still play it today on the radio.

Doug:

what did you say was, what is love?

Doug:

Or this Is

Katie:

Is this love?

Katie:

Is this love

Katie:

is this?

Katie:

Yeah, I was.

Katie:

I'm not, I can't sing.

Katie:

Um, so, but yeah, you can picture,

Doug:

No, I, I can, yeah, I can hear it in my head.

Doug:

I'm familiar with the song, just, I mean, obviously it's not their most

Doug:

famous one.

Doug:

Here I go

Katie:

It's not, I really do like Whitesnake.

Katie:

They're kind of, they never come like

Katie:

top of mind when you're talking about hair bands or for me anyway.

Katie:

But I, whites, snake's pretty good.

Katie:

I like 'em.

Katie:

Whitney Houston's so emotional is number three.

Katie:

Debbie Gibson's Shake Your Love is number four.

Katie:

I vividly remember Debbie Gibson being huge in the eighties.

Katie:

Like Britney Spears of the time probably.

Doug:

Well, she was one of the other ones.

Doug:

You, you mentioned Madonna with the, the lace, um, tutu style dresses.

Doug:

But Debbie Gibson was another one she wore, like the, the gloves, the

Doug:

black, uh, mesh gloves on her hands.

Katie:

That's true.

Katie:

Her and Tiffany.

Katie:

I somehow, I always like put those two together.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

Five has got my mind set on you by George Harrison, and for some

Katie:

reason, I don't know, did all of the Beatles go on to have like a solo career?

Katie:

I don't.

Katie:

never been a big Beatles follower, so I'm not super familiar.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Well obviously Paul McCartney is still to this day, rocking and rolling.

Doug:

Um, he, after The Beatles, he went on and played with wings.

Katie:

Oh, that's right.

Doug:

and, uh, I think, well, John Lennon obviously had his little soul

Doug:

thing before he, he died and then,

Katie:

Mm-hmm.

Doug:

um, George Harrison did his thing in the eighties.

Doug:

I got my mind set on you as a monster.

Doug:

I remember that song.

Doug:

I remember that.

Doug:

You don't remember

Doug:

the video, do you?

Doug:

The

Katie:

No, I don't rem, I don't remember the video, but I can sing the song.

Katie:

What was the video?

Doug:

It, had, it had the video was, he was sitting in a room, um,

Doug:

like on a, a recliner kind of chair.

Doug:

And um, like there was, uh, all these mounted, um, animals on the walls

Doug:

like, uh, taxidermied animals and they're singing all the shit in the

Doug:

room is moving to the music and stuff.

Doug:

It was pretty wild video.

Katie:

Interesting,

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

huh?

Katie:

Okay.

Doug:

I think Ringo Star is the only one that really

Doug:

didn't have

Katie:

yeah, I was just thinking that.

Katie:

Huh?

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

Well, do you remember Jody Watley?

Katie:

She had, don't you want me, I, I remember other songs, but

Katie:

don't you want me as number six?

Doug:

Okay.

Katie:

And then Heaven is a Place On Earth by Belinda Carlisle.

Katie:

I remember that also being really big, big song Catch Me.

Katie:

I'm falling from the Hiding Out Pretty poison.

Katie:

I am super not familiar.

Katie:

That doesn't ring a bell at all.

Doug:

Yeah, I'm, I'm trying

Katie:

And then Steve Wynwood had the number nine song with Valerie and Sting

Katie:

had number 10 with We'll Be Together.

Doug:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Doug:

Right.

Doug:

So maybe, uh, it's a better year for movies than music.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Well also I will say that this is from when I do the Top Billboards,

Katie:

it's from the specific week, so they change quite a bit.

Katie:

So this was literally from the week of December 16th, 1987.

Katie:

Were you a hair band guy?

Katie:

What music were you listening to?

Katie:

I know you were nine, but

Doug:

Yeah, I was just trying to think when you were going through the, um,

Doug:

the list and I, I don't think I really found my, my, uh, musical interest

Doug:

until I was a little bit later on.

Doug:

So at this point, I probably listened to most of what my parents listened to.

Katie:

Okay.

Doug:

And, um, uh, so I, you said George Harrison.

Doug:

I remember that song being played like crazy because my dad loved it.

Doug:

Um, and, and being that this is also the dirty dancing year, my mom

Katie:

Oh,

Doug:

outplayed that.

Doug:

The, well, yeah, the, um, just the, specifically the Dirty Dancing soundtrack,

Doug:

she must've wore that tape clear.

Doug:

She played it so

Doug:

much.

Katie:

we talked about it in the Dirty Dancing episode, but like that soundtrack

Katie:

I think is maybe the best soundtrack ever.

Katie:

I, it's really good.

Katie:

Did you like it or not?

Doug:

I actually, I actually do, I, and I get nostalgic when I hear

Doug:

hungry eyes or, you know, I had the time of my life or something

Doug:

like that.

Katie:

that's true.

Katie:

Those are the contemporary ones.

Katie:

But the vast majority of the songs on that soundtrack were like sixties, which

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

dig that era.

Doug:

And yeah, well, my, my, my dad was famous for making, um,

Doug:

mix tapes of all like fifties and sixties, um, mainly sixties music.

Doug:

So I, I listened to a lot of that back then in the eighties

Doug:

too,

Katie:

Okay,

Doug:

know?

Katie:

So we have a few news and events from December before we get into

Katie:

the movie, and some movie releases.

Katie:

One is the US President, Ronald Reagan and the Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, sign

Katie:

a treaty, eliminating medium range nuclear missiles, very specifically medium range.

Katie:

So I'm not sure what that means, , like long and short

Katie:

or still cool, just not medium,

Doug:

Right

Katie:

but, um, the eighties.

Katie:

Mikhail Gorbachev, I remember hearing a lot about him.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Well, the, the big goof on him was he was a bald guy and he had this big

Doug:

raspberry birthmark on his forehead, so that was like the big joke.

Doug:

He had a jelly stain, you know, or wine stain or something.

Katie:

Yep.

Katie:

No internet.

Katie:

But he was on the news a lot

Doug:

Yeah, . Yeah, that's for sure.

Katie:

uh, I don't recall this person, but Lynette, a k a squeaky from

Katie:

serving a life sentence for attempted assassination of President Gerald Ford

Katie:

escapes from Alderson Prison, and then she was recaptured two days later.

Katie:

I was completely unfamiliar with this.

Katie:

Apparently she was a Charles Manson de devotee.

Katie:

Do you remember this at all?

Doug:

uh, no.

Doug:

The, the name, the name is somewhat familiar, but I don't

Doug:

remember, um, president Ford, uh, like an attempted assassination

Doug:

on him.

Katie:

Me neither.

Doug:

but yeah, especially in our lifetime,

Doug:

you know, I mean, assassinations were big, like , you know, back in the sixties.

Doug:

Right.

Katie:

Yeah, I think Well,

Katie:

didn't, uh, Reagan got, or somebody

Doug:

He got

Katie:

at Yeah, he got, yeah.

Katie:

Okay.

Doug:

and I think that was 1980, so, so I guess maybe before you

Doug:

were born, but I was, I was a

Doug:

youngin.

Katie:

So maybe this happened.

Katie:

So sh this Lynette, squeaky Fromm was in jail.

Katie:

So whenever Pres, so whenever she tried to assassinate President Ford, must have

Katie:

maybe been in the, I dunno, seventies or,

Doug:

Whenever.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

And then she, that, that was her escape.

Doug:

It was in

Doug:

87.

Katie:

right.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

In, uh, December of 87, she escaped a prison and then

Katie:

she was recaptured, but yeah.

Katie:

That's crazy town.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

But being, you know, her being a Manson family member makes sense.

Doug:

He got some people to do some crazy shit in

Doug:

his name.

Katie:

indeed.

Katie:

Super crazy.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

Uh, . So in December, so there was, as we talked about there being like a ton

Katie:

of, movie releases in 87, specifically the month that Overboard was released,

Katie:

there was also some big releases.

Katie:

Three Men and a Baby was one.

Katie:

Throw Mama From The Train, which I actually have not seen.

Katie:

Are you familiar with that one?

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

It wasn't, not in 1987, but I've come to appreciate

Doug:

it later

Katie:

that Danny DeVito?

Katie:

Who's in that?

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

Danny DeVito, Billy Crystal

Katie:

Okay.

Doug:

and the, and the, uh, the, the Mama Elli from the Goonies.

Katie:

Oh,

Doug:

She's mama.

Doug:

She's mama.

Doug:

And

Katie:

Oh,

Doug:

from the train.

Doug:

It's a really, really funny movie.

Doug:

It, it's kinda like a dark comedy, you know what I mean?

Doug:

It's, it's not that in your face humor, but it's

Doug:

really funny.

Katie:

I do dig Danny DeVito.

Katie:

So yeah, I'll

Katie:

have

Doug:

is awesome.

Doug:

He's

Doug:

amazing.

Katie:

He is.

Katie:

Do you watch It's Always Sunny or did you in

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Not, um, I think I, I missed the last few seasons, but I was keeping up with it.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

It would, I think the early seasons are better anyway.

Katie:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

.That's a

Doug:

what it, for all shows

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Well, you sometimes it takes 'em like a season to catch their

Katie:

footing, but then like the mid seasons or to mid seasons are good.

Katie:

A ton of people love Eddie Murphy's Raw, and that's like known to be s

Katie:

it's not my favorite of like standup, but that came out in December of 87.

Katie:

Is that the one where he has the red leather outfit?

Katie:

That's what I'm like picturing.

Doug:

His two big ones are raw and delirious, and I always get them mixed up.

Doug:

I wanna say he was wearing the red and raw.

Doug:

Um, but I'm not a hundred percent positive on that.

Doug:

But the thi the funny thing about, about standup specials, back in the

Doug:

day, this was in movie theaters.

Doug:

This was released in

Doug:

theaters

Katie:

I didn't

Katie:

realize that.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

You don't, you never, you don't never see status specials released in movies.

Doug:

Now you, you know, they're on Amazon Prime or Netflix

Katie:

Netflix

Katie:

well, they must not have come out now.

Katie:

It seems like there's a, a standup special every couple weeks.

Katie:

And if it was like big enough to be produced and in movie theaters

Katie:

that I'm, I'm picturing that they didn't happen all as often.

Katie:

Um, but I, I could be wrong, but yeah, raw was huge apparently.

Doug:

Raw was his second one.

Doug:

Um, delirious was first, I think he was delirious, came out in 84 or 85

Doug:

maybe.

Katie:

Oh, okay.

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

And then RAW came out and I, and yeah, RAW came out in 87.

Doug:

He was only 26, I think when, when Del, when Raw came out, which would've

Doug:

made him 22 when he released his first

Doug:

special.

Katie:

Dang.

Doug:

It's just crazy.

Doug:

Right.

Katie:

That is crazy.

Katie:

Wow.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

Also, December 87 was planes, trains and automobiles.

Doug:

fantastic.

Katie:

indeed, wall Street, fatal Attraction and the

Katie:

re-release of Cinderella.

Katie:

And I have that Disney puffy case.

Katie:

V H S

Doug:

Oh yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

I really liked Cinderella.

Katie:

So those

Doug:

I remember they, they would, they would release those Disney

Doug:

movies, you know, for like a limited time, have everybody rush out to

Doug:

get them, and then they would close the Disney vault, as they would say.

Doug:

And you wouldn't see it again for years.

Katie:

It's like Marketing 1 0 1 man.

Doug:

Yeah,

Katie:

Scarcity.

Katie:

Yeah, yeah,

Katie:

it works.

Doug:

They, they knew what they were doing.

Katie:

did.

Doug:

Um, can I, can I bring up a news story that was really on my radar back in

Doug:

1987?

Katie:

Yes.

Doug:

Uh, I don't know if you remember this, and I don't know why, uh,

Doug:

it was on my radar at nine years old, but in, um, Texas, there was

Doug:

a little girl, she was dubbed Baby

Doug:

Jessica.

Katie:

Oh

Doug:

Do you remember this?

Katie:

The girl in the Well.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

You

Doug:

remember this

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

'cause they did a, like a whole, oh my God.

Katie:

Like T made for TV movie about it.

Katie:

It was like everywhere.

Katie:

I don't, that must not have been in December, but I don't re So in 87, how

Katie:

do you remember what years things were?

Doug:

because I was, I, you know, after you asked me to come on, I did a

Doug:

little research just as at the year as a whole, um, 1987, and this, this was

Doug:

one of the first like big news stories.

Doug:

Like, oh my God, I, like, I haven't thought about this in years, but

Doug:

I was, at the time, this was like a, a two and a half day ordeal.

Doug:

This girl was 18 month old girl, was stuck in a, well, not, not like a,

Doug:

like a wishing well, it was like a, a, well, it was like 18 inches long,

Doug:

uh, or wide.

Katie:

Like a pipe almost

Katie:

seemed

Doug:

a pipe.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

So she fell in, she was like 20 feet down and it took them two

Doug:

and a half days to dig her out.

Doug:

And if, you know, obvious, they pulled her out and she was alive.

Doug:

But I, I, I was in, at nine years old, I was in on, on the, all

Doug:

the news stories surrounding this

Doug:

and it's,

Katie:

Me too.

Doug:

that, it's, crazy.

Doug:

It happened to Texas.

Katie:

even younger.

Katie:

It, it must've been, I mean, there wasn't as much noise in like

Katie:

the news stratosphere, I guess.

Katie:

But,

Katie:

but I remember that being huge.

Katie:

And like I said, they made a made for TV movie.

Katie:

I, and I, I think I've seen that like multiple times.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

Jessica in the, well,

Katie:

and there

Doug:

how many, uh I was just wondering how many of the, the

Doug:

listeners actually remember that too.

Katie:

I please, yes, please let me know.

Katie:

I have a feeling a lot of people, I don't know if there was another Wells

Katie:

story, but I feel like I've seen in pop culture since like people referencing the

Katie:

eighties, uh, sort of like poking fun at how many kids fell in wells like that.

Katie:

That was like a big danger of kids.

Katie:

Or maybe it was just this one story.

Doug:

there was, there was a, a Simpsons episode where Bart was playing a prank

Doug:

on the, the town where he, he put a radio down, like a walkie talkie down in

Doug:

a well, and he was talking from like a distance away, like . As if he was a kid.

Doug:

Stuck in a well,

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

but yeah, I mean it was like a thing on, on everybody's radar.

Doug:

Like stay away from wells you might fall in.

Doug:

Yeah,

Doug:

it was like quicksand,

Doug:

you know,

Katie:

Oh my God, yes.

Katie:

Quicksand is another thing that was like,

Doug:

acid rain.

Katie:

such a Yeah, .Yes.

Katie:

Oh my god.

Katie:

That and the aquanet with the, uh, ozone layer.

Doug:

Yeah, yeah.

Doug:

Yep.

Katie:

razor blades in your Halloween

Katie:

candy.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

.Yeah.

Katie:

see.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Oh my

Doug:

of urban legend, doom and gloom stuff.

Katie:

That's so true.

Katie:

Oh my God.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Good call for bringing up the well story.

Katie:

I love that.

Katie:

Before we get into the nitty gritty of overboard, I wanted to

Katie:

ask you a few questions about our ultimate everyman, Kurt Russell,

Katie:

who's starring in this movie.

Katie:

Do you have any thoughts or fandom that you wanted to share?

Katie:

Just generally speaking about Kurt?

Doug:

You know, I, I don't have a, a huge background with Kurt.

Doug:

I know Ryan, Ryan loves him.

Doug:

He's like Ryan's favorite actor outside of Sylvester Stallone.

Doug:

But I've seen, I've seen a lot of his stuff.

Doug:

I've seen this.

Doug:

Um, and maybe not a lot of his stuff may, maybe, probably this.

Doug:

And, um, tango and Cash were the, the things I've seen

Doug:

mostly of his when I was a kid.

Doug:

And I, I don't really think I, appreciated him as much as an actor

Doug:

until like later on, you know, when I realized that that dude can, he can

Doug:

act his way out of, out of anything.

Doug:

He's great.

Katie:

He's so charming.

Katie:

Well,

Doug:

He's got those piercing blue eyes,

Katie:

He does.

Katie:

He does.

Katie:

And he's got like, the way his smile.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

He's, he's a charmer.

Katie:

But what about Patrick Swayze, who is our other ultimate Every man for season one?

Katie:

Were you a fan of his or not?

Katie:

Neither of these were like big on your radar as a kid.

Doug:

I wouldn't say I, I didn't seek any of them out, but I

Doug:

watched movies with them in it.

Doug:

Same with Patrick Swayze, you know, dirty Dancing.

Doug:

I told you my mom was a big Dirty Dancing fan, so I seen that movie a ton.

Doug:

Um, ghost.

Doug:

Ghost was the nineties, wasn't it?

Doug:

Nineties.

Doug:

Um,

Katie:

it was yes.

Katie:

Early nineties.

Doug:

point break.

Doug:

Sought out a ton as a kid, just 'cause I loved the movie.

Doug:

Not specifically because of Swayze, but you know, I've seen their stuff.

Katie:

Today, actually the day that we are recording this, so

Katie:

we will be in the future by the time this comes out, but today is

Katie:

actually Patrick Swayze's birthday.

Katie:

Had he not passed away, he would have been 71 today.

Doug:

Happy Birthday, Patrick.

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

And Kurt is so, they are about the same age when I started this, I sort

Katie:

of thought, so my next question is gonna be about if you think they

Katie:

look similar or not, because I clearly do and I ask everyone that.

Katie:

Um, but they're about the same age too.

Katie:

Kurt's only a year older.

Katie:

So do you think they look alike?

Katie:

Doug

Doug:

Um, I can see where you think that.

Doug:

Okay.

Doug:

I, I, and I get, I get why you, you made the season a a Kurt Russell.

Doug:

Patrick Swayze one.

Doug:

I get it.

Doug:

I get it.

Doug:

Um, and I see the similarities, but, you know, I, I wouldn't, I don't

Doug:

think, um, as far as like behavior wise, like their, their mannerisms

Doug:

or anything, is that similar?

Doug:

You know, I think they're, they're completely their own

Doug:

men, you know what I mean?

Doug:

They, they share similarities.

Doug:

Like I said, I get why you, you pin them up against one another this season.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

Okay,

Doug:

you know, I, I, I'll say they, they can pass as, as, uh, brothers

Katie:

Yeah, I very much think they should play brothers or they should,

Katie:

like, that would've been awesome if we would've gotten them in, um, in

Katie:

a movie together playing brothers.

Katie:

But we didn't.

Katie:

Okay.

Doug:

I will last

Katie:

Uh, I know.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

God, I, I'm, I'm gonna keep trying, I'm gonna keep trying.

Katie:

The girls, the Golden Girls, girls agreed with me.

Doug:

Yep.

Doug:

Yep.

Doug:

It's a growth thing.

Doug:

Maybe you see something that we

Doug:

as men don't.

Katie:

I full on think that, that women just, when I'm out and about

Katie:

with friends or my fam like sisters, they're like, yeah, totally.

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

I think it, it is a women thing.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

You'll have to ask your wife if she thinks they look alike or not.

Doug:

Fair enough.

Doug:

I'll report back.

Katie:

Yes, please do.

Katie:

So was overboard part of your childhood viewing experience or do

Katie:

you remember first seeing it or any memories specifically about Overboard?

Doug:

Well, let me start off by saying my childhood viewing really

Doug:

didn't get too far past Star

Doug:

Wars.

Katie:

Oh, really?

Doug:

occasional Rocky , Rocky

Katie:

Oh my God.

Katie:

Okay.

Doug:

this time I was, I was, Rocky four was huge

Doug:

in my rotation, but

Katie:

Oh yeah.

Doug:

Star Wars nerd.

Doug:

So, um, but as far as like, yeah, I, no, I, I watched other stuff too, but,

Doug:

um, overboard was one of those, um, you know, we didn't own it on video.

Doug:

Um, you know, video cassette is for your, uh, younger listeners who don't know what

Doug:

we're talking about.

Katie:

the good old v h

Doug:

but it was, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Doug:

V C R, uh, but it was something that, you know, was, was on.

Doug:

I remember being on like H B O or Showtime, one of those premium channels

Doug:

a lot, and it was, you know, that was something that you turned on and

Doug:

just like left on in the background.

Doug:

So I've, I've seen it, maybe this, watching it for, this might've been

Doug:

the first time I watched it all the way through, I've seen every part of it, just

Doug:

in bits and pieces, you know what I mean?

Katie:

That makes sense.

Katie:

Without further ado, let's get into the movie.

Katie:

It was released December 16th, 1987.

Katie:

It was PG and I wanna make note of that because there are some

Katie:

bits in this just like, I'm like, wow, that was really pushing the

Katie:

envelope for pg, don't you think?

Doug:

Yeah, some, some, well, I mean, PG then wasn't what

Doug:

PG is now,

Katie:

that's true.

Doug:

know what I mean?

Doug:

The PG 13 rating came into, popularity in like 84 with Temple of Doom and

Doug:

the, and the gremlins, I wanna say.

Doug:

And, but even then, like, I mean the, the stuff that you see in this

Doug:

back then, I don't think warranted PG 13, that was more for like,

Katie:

Swearing and stuff,

Doug:

uh, yeah, like, like horror kind of.

Doug:

Kind of elements like in Temple of Doom, like the, you know,

Doug:

Indy rips the guy's heart out

Katie:

Mm.

Doug:

the bad guy rips the guy's heart.

Doug:

Uh, the other guy's heart out of his chest, you know what I mean?

Doug:

And gremlin's killing people and getting chopped up in blenders and stuff.

Doug:

So I think it, it was more for like the visual, uh, aspect.

Katie:

Like violence and stuff?

Katie:

Yeah, I guess

Katie:

like it's, there's adult themes and in my viewings of overboard

Katie:

as a kid, I watched it a lot.

Katie:

It's, like I said, it's my, this my favorite Kurt Russell movie, but I feel

Katie:

like I mostly saw it on like an edited version, like edited for TV version.

Katie:

So I did take note yesterday when I watched it.

Katie:

It might be the, one of the only times that I saw the unedited version,

Katie:

and there's a scene after they get together, like they're in bed together

Katie:

and the kids come in, Kurt and Goldie are in bed together, and the kids

Katie:

come in and the oldest child, Travis says something like, she doesn't have

Katie:

much for tits, but she's got a great

Doug:

Oh,

Katie:

I never caught that before.

Katie:

And I'm like, that's fucking weird.

Katie:

I don't know.

Katie:

It was

Doug:

I know.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

that, and like one of the little kids says like, oh, don't knock her up.

Katie:

There's just some things that I'm like, oh, that's only peachy.

Katie:

Huh.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Some, some adult themes.

Doug:

Uh,

Doug:

yeah.

Katie:

and just generally

Katie:

like

Doug:

man

Katie:

kidnapping a human being basically, you know, like

Doug:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Doug:

We can't, you, you can't go and look at this movie through, uh, a lens of 2023.

Doug:

You just

Katie:

No, no, but I'm

Doug:

It's, it's

Doug:

horrible.

Katie:

Oh, oh that.

Katie:

Yeah, for sure.

Katie:

I

Katie:

actually have a note about that

Katie:

later.

Katie:

But yeah, so anyway, I don't know why I was like, wow, peachy.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

Um, it has a 6.9 out of 10 on I M D B.

Katie:

I kind of thought it would've been higher.

Katie:

I mean, that's pretty good,

Katie:

but

Doug:

I didn't think it, it got like very good from what I read,

Doug:

like it, it was pretty much a flop,

Doug:

wasn't it?

Katie:

yeah, that's a good point.

Katie:

Box.

Katie:

Office-wise, I, it, I think it made its money back and then a little,

Katie:

actually, yeah, it grossed 26.7 million on a 22 million budget.

Katie:

So it like, just barely made its money back.

Katie:

But I think, since then it's attained like cult status.

Katie:

So like a lot of movies do, like later it's gotten a bigger following.

Katie:

Uh, and they did remake it, which I never saw.

Katie:

'cause I, I'm not a big fan of remakes.

Katie:

Did you see the remake in 2015?

Doug:

Um, I started to watch it and then I didn't make it 10 minutes in.

Doug:

I said, this is just

Doug:

trash.

Katie:

really?

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

I will not watch it.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

No, it, it's the gender swap too, and Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I'm not a big fan of that gal.

Katie:

That stars

Doug:

Anna Ferris.

Katie:

one.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

She's not my favorite, so I don't think I recognized or knew

Katie:

this in my earlier viewings of I overboard, but the director is Gary

Katie:

Marshall, who's kind of a big deal.

Katie:

Like his career in the sixties, he wrote for the Lucy Show, Dick Van Dyke,

Katie:

and then he developed the odd couple.

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

seventies, uh, gained fame for happy days, Laverne and Shirley, Mor and

Katie:

Mindy, like all of those kind of shows.

Katie:

And I don't think I realized that.

Katie:

And then in addition for, being known for directing Overboard,

Katie:

he also directed Beaches Pretty Woman, which I didn't realize.

Katie:

Runaway Bride.

Katie:

And then like those newer ensemble films like Valentine's Day and

Katie:

New Year's Eve, like those.

Katie:

So

Doug:

He was still directing then.

Doug:

'cause I know he died

Doug:

like

Katie:

I The last,

Doug:

ago

Katie:

yeah.

Katie:

Oh, actually, well maybe he did Mother's Day in 2016 and I

Katie:

think he probably passed shortly

Doug:

Oh, okay.

Doug:

Shortly after that.

Doug:

Well, his, his daughter is Penny Marshall,

Doug:

right?

Katie:

His sister is Penny

Doug:

Oh, sister.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

All right.

Doug:

And she's Laverne from Laverne and

Doug:

Shirley.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Oh yeah.

Katie:

Yeah, that's

Doug:

she went on to have her own directing career.

Doug:

Like she directed a league of their

Doug:

own.

Katie:

She's, yeah, she's kind of a big deal too.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Famous family.

Katie:

She's done a lot of stuff.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

So Gary Marshall, he, uh, was nominated because of all that TV work that he

Katie:

did, like in the sixties and seventies and nominated for five Emmys as

Doug:

Maybe that's why I, I thought he died earlier is because

Doug:

I thought he was her father,

Doug:

not brother.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

They're siblings.

Doug:

that makes Yeah, it makes more sense.

Katie:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

the writer is Leslie Dixon, which I wasn't familiar with, but she also wrote Mrs.

Katie:

Doubtfire, Loverboy and Freaky Friday.

Katie:

And then we have, obviously, we have our Kurt Russell as Dean

Katie:

Prophet Goldie Hawn as Joanna.

Katie:

Edward Herman, who plays Grant Staton iii.

Katie:

And you guys will recognize him from, uh, the 1982 Annie movie.

Katie:

Did you ever see that, Doug?

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I loved that movie.

Katie:

He's f d r.

Katie:

Oh, sorry.

Katie:

Did I not?

Katie:

Yeah,

Doug:

Oh, that's right.

Doug:

yeah,

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

yeah.

Katie:

he plays f d R in the Annie movie

Katie:

from 1982.

Katie:

Yeah,

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

Good.

Doug:

Very good

Doug:

movie.

Doug:

Um, I remember him more as the, uh, mom's boyfriend in The Lost Boys.

Katie:

Oh, it's been a while since I've seen

Doug:

was like, he was turned out to be the head Vampire.

Doug:

Spoiler alert.

Katie:

Oh, oh, I need to re-watch that.

Katie:

It's been a long time.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

Good

Katie:

call.

Doug:

that, that might, yeah.

Doug:

That, that's a good one.

Doug:

That's,

Katie:

Katherine Helmond plays Joanna's mother and you all will know her

Katie:

as playing Mona on Who's the boss?

Katie:

I really like her.

Katie:

And then Mike Haggerty plays Billy Dean's friend.

Katie:

Did you recognize him from anything?

Katie:

The friend Billy,

Doug:

uh,

Katie:

were you a, did you

Doug:

Uh, oh, yeah.

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

Friends.

Doug:

Friends.

Doug:

He was the, uh, the, the super, the superintendent of the building.

Katie:

He literally looks the same.

Katie:

Like he,

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

he does.

Katie:

age.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

He looks the same, but Mr.

Katie:

Treger,

Doug:

I love, I love, the, uh, when, when, uh, Joey teaches him ballroom dancing.

Doug:

That was the

Katie:

he t yes.

Katie:

Yeah, yeah,

Doug:

trigger episode

Katie:

I love it.

Katie:

You wanna go with my friend Marsh?

Katie:

She's about your same size.

Katie:

good.

Katie:

Uh, friends.

Katie:

Uh, and then lastly, we have Roddy McDowell playing Andrew, kind of the, I

Katie:

don't know, is he like the butler or you know, what role he is, but he was also

Katie:

an executive producer on this movie.

Doug:

When I saw his name Roddy McDowell pop up, I thought, I know the

Doug:

difference, but I thought they were referencing Malcolm McDowell, who played

Doug:

the main character in Clockwork Orange.

Doug:

So when I was doing my research for the film, I was like, that, I,

Doug:

I noticed that that was a common mistake that everybody made.

Doug:

Roddy and Malcolm McDowell not, they're not even related.

Katie:

no.

Katie:

And aren't they both British?

Katie:

So that probably

Doug:

Yes,

Katie:

it.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

exactly.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

So I, the whole movie I was looking for Malcolm McDowell, I was

Doug:

like, where the hell is this guy?

Katie:

Now Roddy, uh, the only thing I think of is . Rowdy Roddy Piper from

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

rest, like W W F, I've never really heard that name otherwise.

Katie:

I did note the music for this movie.

Katie:

Like I, I loved the music in this movie.

Katie:

And Alan Sylvestri is the person who did the music, and he's a two-time Academy

Katie:

Award and Golden Globe award nominee.

Katie:

I don't know if you're familiar with Alan Sylvester or not, but he's

Doug:

Yes.

Katie:

The Robert Zumeka,

Katie:

he

Doug:

yes.

Doug:

He, he,

Katie:

yeah,

Doug:

yeah, he was a big, he was the Zam Meccas guy.

Doug:

He did, uh, the Polar Express, um, Forrest Gump,

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

which, I mean, composing on that is, is incredible.

Katie:

Yes, that's, yeah, another

Katie:

great soundtrack.

Katie:

He did the Back to the fu, so they did Back

Doug:

I was gonna say?

Katie:

Together too,

Doug:

yeah, yeah.

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

He did.

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

And I think SCO and I talked about, um, romancing the Stone.

Katie:

So I wanna say

Katie:

either that, I don't know if it was both, but either Romancing

Katie:

the Stone or Jewel of the Nile.

Katie:

I don't know if it was both movies or just one of them.

Katie:

They also teamed up

Doug:

Uh, what year was that?

Doug:

Eight

Katie:

either like 84 and 86 or something like that.

Doug:

Oh my God.

Doug:

His, his I M D B goes back so far to so many.

Doug:

He did.

Doug:

Romancing the Stone.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

Oh man.

Doug:

Back to the Future Flight of the Navigator.

Doug:

Do you remember that Disney

Katie:

well we had it taped.

Katie:

We had it taped like from tv, so yeah, I do.

Katie:

That was like,

Katie:

yeah, it was like as

Doug:

did Predator.

Katie:

Oh,

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

I'm sorry.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Uh, flight Navigator was a Disney,

Doug:

like the, with the

Katie:

Sunday night movie.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

Like the Sunday night

Doug:

that.

Doug:

one.

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

Yeah, yeah.

Doug:

Predator.

Doug:

Who framed Roger

Doug:

Rabbit?

Katie:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Doug:

He did some monsters.

Doug:

The abyss, all the back to the futures,

Doug:

man.

Katie:

Big credits.

Doug:

All right.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Father of the bride.

Doug:

God, we could go on and on.

Doug:

Stop where my mom will

Doug:

shoot.

Doug:

Geez,

Katie:

Oh, that's right.

Katie:

Oh, well.

Katie:

Isn't not like your favorite movie of all time, too.

Doug:

Oh yeah.

Doug:

It's just wonderful.

Doug:

The

Doug:

best.

Katie:

Well, for listeners who have not seen Overboard in a minute or

Katie:

two, we have Joanna Staton hires a country carpenter, Dean Prophet,

Katie:

to build a closet on her yacht.

Katie:

When they don't see eye to eye, he's left unpaid while she

Katie:

sets sale the following day.

Katie:

She's fished out of the sea after falling overboard, suffering from amnesia.

Katie:

Dean sees a neat way, neat way to regain the money she owes him.

Katie:

He tells her that she's his wife.

Katie:

That way he gets a free housekeeper and mother for his four sons.

Katie:

What did you think about overboard?

Doug:

Oh man.

Doug:

I, I love how, um, when she's.

Doug:

You know, has amnesia in the hospital.

Doug:

The only way they verify that he's her husband is by him identifying the

Doug:

birthmark on her butt because he saw her wearing a thong, uh, bathing suit.

Doug:

So he saw her birthmark

Doug:

when

Katie:

Zero burden of proof.

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Crazy, crazy.

Doug:

No wedding license,

Katie:

No, nothing just, well, she's like a total bitch too, so they're

Katie:

like, yeah, that's good enough for me.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

can kidnap

Katie:

this woman.

Katie:

Uh, but this was a theme I think in 87 because we also have over

Katie:

the top another fantastic eighties movie in the same year where

Katie:

Lincoln, Lincoln Hawk or Hawks,

Katie:

um, in order to again, kidnap a child.

Katie:

He like the, his burden of proof is a wedding photo to prove who

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

it.

Doug:

I know I about a birth certificate or, or just

Doug:

anything, anything other than a

Doug:

wedding photo

Katie:

wedding photo or knowledge of a birthmark?

Katie:

This, this passes for proof.

Doug:

Yep.

Katie:

call.

Katie:

I found myself chuckling quite a bit in this rewatch, like, I can't

Katie:

even think of something specific.

Katie:

There's lots of like little touches that made me laugh throughout the movie.

Katie:

I don't know if you felt the same way.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

You know, it, it was, it, it takes a lot to get me to actually

Doug:

laugh out loud when I'm watching a movie, you know what I mean?

Doug:

So, but like overall, you know, I, it's a funny movie.

Doug:

Like there were funny, um, it was funny in the way that like, Mr.

Doug:

Mom is funny to me, you know what I mean?

Doug:

There's not like out loud haha moments, but

Doug:

Just the, the situations, the scenarios and everything, like, yes, it is, it

Doug:

is a funny and entertaining movie.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

I'll take it.

Doug:

I don't know how, how else to really, you know,

Doug:

describe it.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

It, yeah, it's not like I see your point.

Katie:

I just, there were just little things that I'm like, oh, good call.

Katie:

That was smart of the writers or

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Doug:

. Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

like, um,

Katie:

like the Joanna's trying to name the kids, like when she's introduced to

Katie:

the boys and Dean is like, okay, you're first born, you've gotta know him.

Katie:

And she's like, Roy and the kid's name is Travis.

Katie:

And then they're, then later they're, I don't know, they did

Katie:

something like, oh, who did this?

Katie:

Who made this mess?

Katie:

And they're like, it wasn't me dad.

Katie:

It was Roy.

Katie:

Little things like that.

Katie:

I'm like, good little callbacks.

Katie:

Things

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

And that like, that's a great example of one.

Doug:

Yeah,

Katie:

Mm-hmm.

Doug:

agree.

Katie:

So we were talking about Alan Sylvester and the music.

Katie:

I really, probably not when I was little, but rewatching it the other day.

Katie:

I very much took note of the music and like how,

Katie:

Effective using those musical cues in this movie where it was, especially that

Katie:

opening scene where we're introduced to this world cutting back and forth

Katie:

between the local Oregonians and the yacht and how they use like that.

Katie:

Like hillbilly country banjo, fiddly music cut back and forth

Katie:

with like the hoity music of

Doug:

Yes.

Katie:

Yeah,

Doug:

was a great piece of music.

Doug:

And yeah, right off the bat they hit you with that.

Doug:

It was like a banjo, like a really fast playing banjo.

Doug:

You said Kind of inner cut with a, like a classical, I don't

Doug:

know how to describe it, but

Doug:

yeah.

Katie:

yeah.

Katie:

Like the refined nature of the yacht.

Katie:

Cut, cut with like, 'cause they keep like kind of making fun of Dean

Katie:

and this, this area is like, oh, the mountain man or a country per,

Katie:

you know, they kind of make fun of

Doug:

They, um, they didn't say, he, he says a few times that he's new

Doug:

to the area, so that's established, but they didn't say where he came

Doug:

from.

Doug:

Right.

Katie:

they didn't.

Doug:

though it looked like he lived on, in like a, like a dump part of town.

Katie:

Mm-hmm.

Doug:

So he, he was he a hillbilly?

Doug:

I don't know why.

Doug:

Like, I, I just thought he came from like the deep south or something.

Katie:

I don't know either.

Katie:

Unless he, I sort of maybe assumed it was just somewhere else, some

Katie:

other town in, uh, in Oregon?

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Oh, east coasters do say Oregon, don't they?

Katie:

Do you, do you say Oregon?

Doug:

I did.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

I just, I just did it,

Doug:

didn't I,

Katie:

I find, like regional of speaking.

Katie:

Interesting.

Katie:

I listen to a podcast where the girls are from Boston and they also say Oregon.

Doug:

Oh, yeah.

Doug:

yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I don't know which one is

Doug:

as charged.

Katie:

No, I don't know

Doug:

I don't,

Katie:

is right.

Katie:

But

Doug:

yeah, you're, you're probably right.

Doug:

You're closer.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

. Yeah, I am.

Katie:

I was caught in this world.

Katie:

I thought they did a really good job of like introducing us to this world quickly.

Katie:

Like it was, it didn't take a long time.

Katie:

And then we're introduced to Joanna and I had forgotten.

Katie:

Wow.

Katie:

I mean, we we're, we're shown what type of person she is right away.

Katie:

Like she's super bitchy and snotty, but she is dressed rich person.

Katie:

Lounge wear is, I mean, her hair was done up perfectly and her,

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

you know, she was just so fancy.

Katie:

But it was like yacht lounge wear

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Even her slippers are high heels.

Doug:

You know

Katie:

Yes.

Doug:

right?

Katie:

It was like, oh, and then that I always, that Cruella Deville

Katie:

esque, like long cigarette holder.

Doug:

Oh, yeah,

Doug:

yeah.

Katie:

When I was a kid, I literally thought that was so cool.

Katie:

I wanted one of those, you know, that's what I call class,

Doug:

That's

Katie:

a

Katie:

rocky two

Doug:

That's a status.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

It's what I call class.

Doug:

You the watch.

Doug:

No, that's, that's definitely a status symbol.

Doug:

The, the long cigarette holder

Doug:

that prevents you from getting the, the yellow fingernails

Doug:

from the nicotine on the

Katie:

oh, is that what it does?

Doug:

I think so,

Katie:

even think of the reason why.

Katie:

I just thought it was like a rich person thing to do.

Katie:

That's okay.

Doug:

That could be it too.

Doug:

I, I,

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

I

Katie:

Well, it to you're, yeah.

Katie:

Makes sense.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Um, and, uh, the Zach Morris style phone, we get

Doug:

No, yeah.

Katie:

the, I loved that.

Katie:

Oh, I like a blast from the past like that.

Doug:

It's funny that, that that style phone is always, um, connected to

Doug:

Zach Morris.

Katie:

It is, it's literally

Doug:

don't know

Katie:

what it's called.

Katie:

No, I don't know what it's called

Doug:

Zack Morris phone.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

Zach Morris phone.

Doug:

That, but, but you say Zack Morris phone.

Doug:

Everybody knows immediately what

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

It's the best description.

Katie:

But yeah, like she says, there's two quotes that I wrote down.

Katie:

'cause I was like, holy wow.

Katie:

Did people talk to people like this?

Katie:

Like she says to Andrew or whoever is who brought her caviar, I

Katie:

almost had to wait like that line.

Katie:

And I doubt he's even housebroken when referring to Dean.

Katie:

Like he can overhear them.

Katie:

But like,

Katie:

I was just like the audacity of like, wow, I, I had forgotten

Katie:

what a snotty hoy bitch she was.

Doug:

I, I would like to say that they overplayed her, her bitchiness and

Doug:

her holiness, but I don't know, man.

Doug:

I'm sure there are, even to this day, there are probably people that snotty

Doug:

out there.

Katie:

Yeah, that's true.

Katie:

People are the worst,

Doug:

You really are.

Doug:

That's why you stick to

Doug:

animals, right?

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

Yeah, I, yeah.

Katie:

Every, everyone who knows me, I am like not a fan of people generally

Katie:

. What did you think of the price tag for this new closet remodel?

Doug:

600 bucks.

Doug:

I was thinking about like what it would, you know, I mean, home improvement is once

Doug:

you own a home, you're never stop thinking about it and what it would cost to like

Doug:

remodel a walk-in closet like that, and a $600, like a job like that now would be 10

Doug:

grand

Katie:

Oh yeah.

Doug:

8,000, $10,000.

Katie:

and she's super rich, but it's like you just, that you probably have that,

Katie:

like stuck in your bra, just, you know,

Doug:

I know you right.

Doug:

You could, right.

Doug:

You could pay him the $600 to make 'em go away and never

Doug:

have to deal with 'em again.

Katie:

and then the way that he calculates.

Katie:

Her, like working off that $600 is that her slave labor is worth $25 a day.

Katie:

. Doug: Yeah.

Katie:

say it's less a minimum, far less a minimum

Katie:

wage.

Katie:

25 bucks a day to make up that 600 bucks.

Katie:

So that, and he was like, yeah, I imagine she'll be here for about a month.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

$600 for a month, month's work.

Doug:

Who, who can live on that?

Katie:

would you leave your four kids home alone while you're out working all day?

Doug:

I mean, desperate times, right?

Doug:

The older, the oldest kid was 13,

Doug:

so

Katie:

that is true.

Doug:

is is 13.

Doug:

I

Katie:

it's in the eighties

Katie:

too.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

It's just that there's four of 'em and like the youngest, I don't know,

Katie:

however old the oldest one was, or

Doug:

Well, here's, here's the difference.

Doug:

Not, not that my kids are angels, but I would leave my, my two sons

Doug:

home at, at, at 13 and 11 alone.

Doug:

But if I had his kids,

Katie:

yeah.

Doug:

I, I would expect to come home to a, a house in a pile of

Doug:

ashes.

Doug:

You know,

Katie:

and that is kind of what happens.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Also the eighties, like I stayed home by my, yeah.

Katie:

Like totally.

Katie:

It was a different time in the eighties, but it was just four kids is a lot.

Katie:

But yes, the older one was 13, so I just,

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

But then he's in charge of the other ones.

Doug:

And I mean, maybe the twins are responsible, but that,

Doug:

that, that little kid,

Katie:

The

Doug:

he's a terror too.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

I took note of the dogs obviously, 'cause I'm a big dog person.

Katie:

A couple things.

Katie:

when he takes her quote unquote home, it's kind of a famous.

Katie:

Line where, we're cut to them riding home in his pickup truck where his two dogs

Katie:

are sitting like shotgun inside the cab while she rides home in the truck bed.

Katie:

That was awesome.

Katie:

And then she,

Katie:

was a quoted line.

Katie:

I don't know, maybe it was just me and my family and friends, but I just ate a bug.

Katie:

We said that all the time.

Katie:

Like she swallows a bug and the way she

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

I loved that.

Katie:

And then I never noticed, so one of the dogs is a coonhound, which I love.

Katie:

I have bloodhounds, so I'm, I'm like, oh, I love that.

Katie:

But he has a cast.

Katie:

Did you notice that the dog at the beginning of the movie has a cast on,

Doug:

I did notice that.

Doug:

And then the next scene he's in, it's off.

Katie:

There was a scene where we're shown like the kids, like unwrapping it,

Katie:

like it kind of looked more like a wrap.

Katie:

But initially it was a cast and then yeah, and then later he doesn't have it.

Katie:

So, um, I don't know if like the dog they booked for the movie, like, I don't know

Katie:

what the deal was with that, but yeah, the dog has a cast in the beginning part

Doug:

It fit, it fit the scene well though.

Katie:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

. It does.

Katie:

We get a montage here of her.

Katie:

What did you think about the, her trying to be

Doug:

house cleaning?

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

When nothing's going right, you gotta, I mean, it's an eighties movie.

Doug:

You have to have a montage

Katie:

montage.

Katie:

I know

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

I did get a kick out of that.

Doug:

It's, yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

I, I love montages.

Doug:

People think it's a campy, like, stupid cheap way of doing it.

Doug:

But I love a montage and they did this one

Doug:

well.

Katie:

It's very effective to get like, Over time showing something like

Katie:

without taking forever in movie time.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I really liked the montage and I'm not a super domestic person either,

Katie:

so I, I found it hilarious to watch this woman who has, never had to

Katie:

do anything for herself in her whole life, and now she's like attempting to

Katie:

cook a chicken and

Doug:

Oh,

Katie:

laundry

Katie:

and stuff.

Doug:

that, actually gave me a little anxiety when she has the whole chicken

Doug:

and she's trying to jam it into the pot.

Doug:

I'm like, if somebody handed me a chicken like that, I wouldn't know what to do with

Doug:

it.

Katie:

me neither.

Katie:

Oh, well, I mean,

Doug:

feet were still on.

Katie:

but yeah, it's just a whole chicken,

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

With the feet and the head and everything.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Right.

Katie:

and then she like throws the whole chicken in a pot with like,

Katie:

here's a potato and a carrot and

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

. Yeah,

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I, I always found that funny.

Doug:

and I know they were playing up the whole, um, you know, him getting

Doug:

revenge on her for being a bitch.

Doug:

But his, let me see, when she, when she asked for help or whatever,

Doug:

he says, uh, honey, I hunt it.

Doug:

You cook it.

Doug:

Which, you know, I get it in a revenge story like this might fly.

Doug:

But that was one of those things that made me go, Ooh, today,

Doug:

that, you know, you

Katie:

I am glad that you pointed that out and not me.

Katie:

'cause there was a few times that I'm like, dude, you're being a dick.

Katie:

But

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

it's hard to, 'cause I, I do find Kurt, Kurt very charming.

Katie:

But um, yeah, that was,

Doug:

Another one, you'll, you'll like this too, is when

Doug:

he goes out with his friends and she says, when you coming home?

Doug:

And he says, whenever I feel like it, it depends on how drunk I get.

Katie:

yes.

Katie:

Like you don't tell like, I'm not accountable to anything.

Katie:

I do what I Yeah.

Katie:

And

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

I, I'll

Doug:

those two says

Doug:

Yeah, those two

Doug:

stuck out.

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

Agreed.

Katie:

I'm glad that you, I'm glad that they stuck out to you as well.

Katie:

'cause I was like, eh,

Doug:

And I, look, I'm the farthest thing from woke, you know what I mean?

Doug:

I'm, that I don't, that's not part of my culture, but if something is appropriate,

Doug:

I kind of, you know, it kind of raises my

Doug:

eyebrows a little bit.

Katie:

as it should, as it

Doug:

Yeah,

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

I mean, yes, but like we said, it is the eighties and yeah, he's like, who are you?

Katie:

I'm like, He literally kidnapped her to be like a housekeeper and mother to his

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

But then of course that's what we get with the montage and then we see

Katie:

over time, they start to really like her, the kids grow to really like her.

Katie:

And as does Dean and even, uh, Billy recognizes that this is

Katie:

actually really good for him.

Katie:

And so they don't want Dean to come clean, and so they won't

Katie:

support him trying to come clean.

Katie:

And, um, yeah, he ends up falling, like they end up actually falling

Katie:

in love and becoming a real family.

Katie:

I, I don't know.

Katie:

I thought it was really endearing, like over time, even though he kidnapped her

Doug:

You know, and it's, yeah, I know.

Doug:

And my thing is the kids, like, once the kids flipped or the kids took on to her

Doug:

and, you know, started really appreciating her for what she, she's doing for the

Doug:

family and everything, that's when you know, you, you bring kids into it.

Doug:

It, it's that, that hit hits me right in, right.

Doug:

My feels as

Doug:

the kids say,

Katie:

uh,

Katie:

yeah, I bet.

Katie:

'cause their, I mean, their mother is passed away, right?

Katie:

So

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

isn't that what happened?

Katie:

Right?

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

They don't say how or why, but Yeah.

Doug:

But they mentioned that she died.

Katie:

So she.

Katie:

first, like, can't stand the kids.

Katie:

She's like, what is this Cannot possibly be my life.

Katie:

There's such tears.

Katie:

But then, yeah, like she helps the little one learn to read like she's a

Katie:

calming motherly presence in their life.

Katie:

And we see Dean overhear her standing up for the kids to

Doug:

right?

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

principal.

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

yeah, like the teaching the kid to read, they, they work

Katie:

together on the mini golf plans.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Another

Doug:

montage,

Katie:

yeah.

Katie:

Oh yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I forgot that was a montage.

Katie:

What did you think of that little like, I don't know, like

Katie:

subplot, the mini golf thing?

Doug:

You know, I, I forgot about that completely from, you

Doug:

know, from my previous viewings.

Doug:

And then when he's, him and the guy are talking about it in the beginning, like,

Doug:

oh, we're gonna start a mini golf course.

Doug:

I thought that was just like a, a hair-brained, you know, uh, kind of

Doug:

a, a lazy way that they say they're gonna try to hit it rich, you know?

Doug:

But then they, they, she helps 'em draw up the plans and then they

Doug:

start building the, uh, the thing.

Doug:

And I'm like, oh man, I said this, this is really like something that

Doug:

they're following through with.

Doug:

It's not just some hair brainin get rich quick scheme,

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

know?

Doug:

And it,

Doug:

it, was, it was,

Katie:

yeah,

Doug:

touching scene.

Katie:

idea.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

We're shown the different, wonders of the world.

Katie:

'cause she has this idea to do that.

Katie:

And um, I remember as a kid, like going through, it was like Mount Rushmore

Katie:

and the Eiffel Tower and whatever the different ones they show us.

Katie:

I remember thinking that was so cool.

Katie:

When I was a kid, I'm like, I wanna go to that mini golf course.

Katie:

We don't have that in my little town.

Katie:

Yeah.

Doug:

right?

Doug:

You know, the saddest part was, uh, to me in the end when, when the, the

Doug:

husband comes back and, and she confronts Dean on everything, and he just, he,

Doug:

there's nothing that he can possibly say, so he doesn't say anything.

Doug:

He kind of just looks at her while she's going off on him, you know, that, that,

Doug:

like, his reaction there kind of, you know, it was, it was touching, it was sad.

Katie:

agree.

Katie:

Plus we get the sad music to accompany the scene.

Katie:

But it was like, if you are her, I mean, if that really happened to you, I, yeah.

Katie:

And she's, yeah.

Katie:

She's like, you tricked me.

Katie:

You used me and you're to your point.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Like he's, there's nothing he can say.

Katie:

Yeah,

Doug:

No, and I'm sure a, a as the, the accuser in that scenario, you

Doug:

probably just want that person to say something, to, to have it make

Doug:

sense, like justify it somehow.

Doug:

And there's nothing that he can say, which I'm sure for her is frustrating.

Doug:

And for him is like, you know, he sees, he sees it all crumbling

Doug:

and down around him, you know?

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Not even, like, I, I, you know, he doesn't even try to explain it that

Katie:

because by that time, they've fallen in love by this point, and he even

Katie:

gives her a wedding ring and everything.

Katie:

so they're like all happy coming home from like the ceremony, of

Katie:

the mini golf course opening.

Katie:

And at the same time, uh, what's his name, grant, can't like dodge,

Katie:

Joanna's mom's like inquiries anymore.

Katie:

So he's like, all right, I guess we'll have to go get her.

Katie:

But on that point though, how did he know where she was?

Katie:

He just like searched around the town.

Katie:

'cause he knew she was in Elk Cove, I guess.

Doug:

did it come out on the news when Dean picked her up because

Doug:

it was on the news when she had

Doug:

amnesia

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

And he came to the hospital and then left her there when he saw her being rude,

Doug:

did.

Doug:

but

Doug:

when Dean came to pick her up, was that like, oh, her husband was found?

Doug:

was

Doug:

that a

Katie:

oh, no.

Katie:

No, I don't think so.

Katie:

No, I don't think So,

Doug:

So how would he have known, how would he have known where she was?

Katie:

well, if he went to the hospital, he knew she was in the

Katie:

town, but I don't know how he knew.

Doug:

Hmm.

Katie:

Yeah, I see what, I see what you're saying now that he

Katie:

didn't know she was a dean, but um,

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

So when they do fall in love, we get this turning point scene

Katie:

when it's like her fake birthday.

Katie:

So he takes Joanna out and you know, they

Katie:

If they have champagne and um, that's when they like, get it on for the first time.

Katie:

Like, and really, and they, they've fallen in love with each other.

Katie:

And that story of, um, Arturo, like the legend of this Arturo being

Doug:

oh yeah.

Katie:

with his

Katie:

love Katina or something.

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

She asks how old she is and he says 29.

Doug:

There's no way.

Doug:

She has a

Doug:

13 year old

Katie:

Yeah, I just thought that was weird.

Katie:

Why didn't, 'cause they've already established that they've been married

Katie:

for 13 years, so why didn't he make up at least like 32 or something?

Katie:

Because she,

Doug:

I know.

Doug:

35.

Katie:

she was 16 when they got married and had

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

No way.

Katie:

I don't think so.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I caught, I took note of that.

Doug:

The, um, the, the whole, them having sex under these pretenses was another

Doug:

moment that I was like, not, you know, this isn't cool, you know, on Dean's part.

Katie:

The, when they actually do, like, there's, it's clear

Katie:

that they, they've grown.

Katie:

Like there is actually something there.

Katie:

earlier on there's a scene where like he's talking about sex a lot and he, um,

Katie:

it's like they almost do, but then he is like, oh, you gotta go to the couch.

Katie:

But I was like, oh my God, please don't, like, I had kind of forgotten.

Katie:

'cause that would've been like, she's brand new to this

Katie:

situation, doesn't know anything.

Katie:

Yeah, it's a key.

Katie:

It's a key for sure.

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

Again, through the 2023 lens, you know, back then it, you know, probably didn't

Doug:

raise any eyebrows, but now, I don't know, maybe we're just too exposed to like, you

Doug:

know, woke culture that You know, we, we,

Doug:

see that

Katie:

I don't even think that's woke culture that's just

Katie:

like, Hey, that's not cool.

Katie:

Like, we're just like recognizing stuff that's not

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

Well, maybe, yeah.

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

But back where in the eighties, it wouldn't have raised any eyebrows.

Doug:

Now, because we're saturated by,

Doug:

I mean, what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong.

Doug:

I get it.

Doug:

You know, taking advantage of a woman who has amnesia is not

Doug:

okay

Katie:

Super.

Katie:

Not

Doug:

in, any decade.

Katie:

There's a lot of things from eighties movies.

Katie:

It's like, wow, okay.

Katie:

But, but yeah, like just took it.

Katie:

We didn't, we didn't think, I don't know, for whatever reason, um,

Katie:

we've grown as a society, perhaps

Katie:

, Doug: Yes, yes.

Katie:

I'd like to think I loved.

Katie:

What did you think about the scene where we're shown that she's grown now when

Katie:

she's back home or back on the yacht?

Katie:

So she's all fancy again, but she's not like she wants a beer instead and

Katie:

she does tequila shots with the crew and

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

I loved

Katie:

that.

Doug:

Her, her, her redemption meant more when she's interacting

Doug:

with the crew than when she orders a beer in front of her mother.

Doug:

You know what I mean?

Doug:

And husband, it's, um, because it, it kind of, it, it redeems her from being a shitty

Doug:

person in the beginning of the movie,

Katie:

and she does apologize

Doug:

it,

Katie:

to Yeah, yeah,

Katie:

yeah.

Katie:

I agree.

Katie:

And she, even picks up a tray, like we're just shown that she's actually

Katie:

being considerate of other people's needs or, or wants, like picking up a tray.

Katie:

Somebody wanted something so she got a tray and they were

Katie:

like, what are you doing?

Katie:

You don't, you know, we have servants for that.

Katie:

But yes, I, so I liked to your point, her re her redemption

Katie:

story a little bit there,

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

She, she had a, a full, full circle character

Doug:

arc.

Katie:

Yeah,

Doug:

yeah.

Katie:

there's a lot of points in this movie where there's like simultaneous

Katie:

actions now that I'm kind of thinking through, because then at the same time

Katie:

that they're coming home all happy, we get a scene where grant's coming.

Katie:

That's a simultaneous thing.

Katie:

And then

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

now that she's home, but realizes that, that she really does

Katie:

love Dean and the kids, at the same time they go after her and she turns

Katie:

the boat around to go after them.

Katie:

There's a lot of that in this movie, which is perfect.

Katie:

At each eighties, she's, but

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

The, the parallel stories, like kind of coming together,

Katie:

mm-hmm.

Doug:

at a few different points.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

I like that.

Doug:

It's good

Doug:

movie making.

Katie:

it is, and they even incorporated the legend of Arturo, so they're.

Katie:

Their, their boats are now headed towards each other and they're close enough

Katie:

and they, they scream each other's name like Arturo and Catalina and jump in and

Katie:

it's like this per swim to each other.

Katie:

And it's this perfect, I love an eighties cheesy ending, and

Doug:

I know.

Doug:

Yeah,

Katie:

we definitely get it here,

Doug:

yeah, yeah.

Doug:

And you know, I, I was still like, um, like researching as the

Doug:

movie played out and the, the, um, end credit song by Randy Newman.

Doug:

It's like a really good, like a kind of a, like a good love song,

Doug:

which surprised the shit outta

Doug:

me.

Katie:

def Oh, like if you actually listen to the words you mean,

Doug:

y yeah.

Doug:

'cause I listened through, I listened through the, the credits

Doug:

and everything, just like the melody and, and everything about it.

Doug:

It's like a Yeah.

Doug:

And, and the words of course.

Doug:

But it's like a, like a nice, like a nice song.

Doug:

Like, surprised me.

Doug:

I didn't, I didn't expect that.

Katie:

And yeah.

Katie:

Randy Newman.

Katie:

Well, did you, I have a feeling that you took particular note of the final scene

Katie:

when, given your situation when she says,

Doug:

Yes.

Katie:

know, like,

Doug:

He said, what could I give you that you don't already have?

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

And she says a little girl.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

Is it?

Katie:

I don't know.

Katie:

I thought of you.

Katie:

I thought of you though,

Doug:

Did you,

Doug:

uh,

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

'cause I'm like, 'cause you have two boys, right?

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

I have two boys.

Doug:

They're older.

Katie:

have four

Doug:

No, I don't have four.

Doug:

God help me.

Katie:

And,

Doug:

I have two boys, 13 and 11.

Doug:

So at the same age as like Travis and probably

Doug:

the twins.

Katie:

Oh yeah.

Doug:

All right.

Doug:

And yeah, we're gonna have a little girl now after, after being

Doug:

off , you know, having had a, I'm 11 years outta practice and yeah.

Doug:

I'm finally getting

Doug:

a little girl.

Katie:

Well, congratulations to you on that and good luck,

Katie:

because like you said, you're out of practice a little bit, but

Doug:

Yeah, . So I could, we could make a eighties sitcom, uh, not

Doug:

sitcom, eighties comedy movie outta me being like, you know, trying to

Doug:

get back into changing diapers and

Doug:

everything.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

You

Katie:

should

Doug:

we need is a montage.

Doug:

A montage, right.

Doug:

Actually by the time, by the time this episode comes out, she'll, she'll be here.

Doug:

Unless it's coming out within like the next

Doug:

three days.

Katie:

Nope, nope, nope.

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

So again, in, in the future people, Doug will be a new dad again by

Katie:

the time this episode comes out.

Katie:

Do you have a name picked out?

Katie:

You don't have to tell us, but do you.

Doug:

no.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

Uh, her name's gonna be Alicia.

Doug:

Alicia Faith.

Katie:

ooh, that's pretty.

Doug:

Thank

Doug:

you.

Katie:

Aw, a little girl.

Doug:

Thank you.

Doug:

. Yeah.

Doug:

Very excited.

Doug:

I'm ready.

Doug:

I'm ready for it.

Katie:

And Doug, thank you again because you're like a professional.

Katie:

You're having a baby any day now, and still you make time

Katie:

to come on the retro made show.

Doug:

I've been dying to come on the show for a long time.

Doug:

I, you know, I just want you to

Doug:

know

Katie:

Well, good.

Katie:

I'm so glad

Doug:

this, I mean, you talk eighties and nineties.

Doug:

This is my jam,

Katie:

I know.

Katie:

I, it's my break from the real world.

Katie:

Really?

Doug:

I hear you.

Doug:

We, we need that, especially the way the world is now.

Doug:

We need that

Katie:

Indeed.

Katie:

There's a little bit of trivia before we wrap up.

Katie:

So Kurt Russell's dad, Bing Russell, I just like that name binging.

Doug:

Great.

Doug:

Name

Katie:

he he plays, uh, it just reminds me of Chandler binging for some reason too.

Katie:

Uh, so he played the sheriff in this movie, which I didn't know.

Katie:

There was a casting alternative for Billy.

Katie:

Can you picture another actor playing?

Doug:

Billy was the, uh, the friend,

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

Mr.

Katie:

Treger.

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

Trigger.

Katie:

a, more famous actor that, uh, was offered the role, but turned it down.

Katie:

Can you picture anybody?

Doug:

I wanna say that I saw this in my research, but I

Doug:

forgot who it was.

Katie:

John Candy.

Doug:

oh, yeah.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

But he, he was doing planes, trains, and

Katie:

Yeah, he was.

Katie:

yep.

Katie:

yep.

Katie:

Who, which came out the same, the same month.

Katie:

Um, he would've

Katie:

been great.

Doug:

see that.

Doug:

Yeah, for

Katie:

I loved him.

Katie:

It's like similar dynamic to Splash, which is, I freaking love that movie.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

yeah.

Doug:

That is a great movie.

Katie:

It is, it's one of my favorite eighties movies of all

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

Now, does the name Raelle Hunter ring a bell to you at all?

Katie:

Probably not.

Katie:

So she, in this movie, she plays one of the young women that

Katie:

grant parties with on the yacht.

Katie:

He's having a great time.

Katie:

One of the young, I dunno, she's probably in a swimsuit probably.

Katie:

So she's the same Hunter would later admit to having an affair with the

Katie:

North Carolina Senator John Edwards, who, and he fathered her child.

Katie:

That whole debacle derailed his

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

and his marriage.

Katie:

yeah.

Doug:

I vaguely remember.

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

I vaguely remember John Edwards being in the news.

Katie:

Yep.

Katie:

So that same girl, like one of those girls was

Katie:

Yep.

Katie:

And then, uh, the truck in this, that blue pickup truck that

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

This was my favorite piece.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

So

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

truck, it was, was used in John Carpenter's, they live, and the

Katie:

scene where, where we see it is it's parked outside of a homeless camp

Katie:

and Rowdy Roddy Piper walks past it.

Katie:

And apparently you can even read the sign that says Dean Profit Construction.

Katie:

Is that what, is that where you were gonna It was in another movie, I think too,

Doug:

it.

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

And the other movie was, was what made me so happy is it is in the opening scene

Doug:

of National Lampoon's Christmas vacation

Katie:

yes, that's right.

Doug:

driving to get the Christmas tree and that pickup truck starts riding their

Doug:

ass, and they, they, you know, go back and forth with passing each other on the road.

Katie:

I had kind of forgotten about that.

Katie:

They had repaint or like the dean prophet wasn't on

Doug:

yeah.

Doug:

They, no, they, they had painted that over at the time, but

Doug:

yeah, that, that little bit of information, I was like, wow, that's

Doug:

awesome.

Katie:

I love an old pickup truck like that.

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

funny.

Katie:

Oh, oh, the other thing before we wrap up, I just, like, at the end of watching

Katie:

this, , we were making fun of looking through something through a 2023 lens.

Katie:

But I really think like this movie with only a few tweaks would be

Katie:

changed from a romantic comedy to a crime thriller or even horror movie.

Katie:

Like if Dean was.

Katie:

Slightly less charming or not good looking, and the music

Katie:

was a little different if we changed the music a little bit.

Katie:

I feel like the movie would now need like Liam Neeson's set of specific skills,

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

right?

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

You know, they, they do those once in a while on, uh, they'll do a YouTube trailer

Doug:

of a comedy movie and the way you cut the clips and, uh, and make like a, a

Doug:

trailer out of, out of like a certain way.

Doug:

You, you clip it and put music to it.

Doug:

You turn a comedy movie into a horror movie, I could, they could

Doug:

definitely do that for this one for

Katie:

Yeah, it's like human trafficking . Yeah,

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

Yes.

Doug:

Yeah.

Katie:

Oh my God.

Katie:

Like I said, overboard, I can't, I can't get enough.

Katie:

I love Overboard.

Katie:

And I love seeing Goldie and Kurt together 'cause they're

Katie:

real life partners and I just

Doug:

Mm-hmm.

Katie:

much nostalgia with, with Overboard for me.

Katie:

So I don't know.

Doug:

chemistry is, is undeniable.

Doug:

The chemistry is amazing

Katie:

And they look good together.

Katie:

They're a good couple together and I loved revisiting 1987

Katie:

with you, Doug, and this movie.

Katie:

So thank you so much until the next retro made episode.

Katie:

We'll go back in time again the next time, but thank you so much for joining me.

Doug:

Thank you for having me.

Doug:

This is, this was, this was a pleasure.

Doug:

A lot of fun.

Katie:

Well, thank you.

Katie:

Do you wanna tell listeners, one last time, where they can find you?

Doug:

Yeah.

Doug:

All of my stuff is housed on the last of the Action Heroes Podcast Network.

Doug:

So you search up Last of the Action Heroes.

Doug:

I'm on a few different shows there.

Doug:

I guested on others.

Doug:

Um, so yeah, that's basically where you can find me Rocky Minute.

Doug:

The, uh, I don't know if, if mine and Craig's and Ryan's show even

Doug:

has a name, but, um, I also do the Arnold Podcast with Seaco.

Katie:

And everyone should check it out.

Doug:

Yeah, it was the first, uh, you know, Craig had slide cast, Ryan

Doug:

had going the distance at the time, and I had rocky in it so that, uh,

Doug:

the, the, the triumvirate coming together was the last of the action

Doug:

heroes.

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

And it's a good trio.

Katie:

You guys are hilarious.

Katie:

I love your episodes together.

Doug:

I appreciate that.

Doug:

Thank you.

Katie:

Thank you all for listening or watching on YouTube.

Katie:

And please if you haven't already, follow the show on wherever you get your podcasts

Katie:

and on YouTube and, uh, give us a review.

Katie:

We love it.

Katie:

I love it.

Katie:

Please, please, please and, uh, keep the YouTube comments coming.

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