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15th Nov 2023

The Outsiders | S1E15

We continue our exploration of the best of the 80s & 90s…with our Everyman, Patrick Swayze.

This time we’ll travel back to March of 1983 for the coming-of-age crime drama with an incredible ensemble cast of up-and-coming stars: The Outsiders.

As a special treat, today I’m joined by Kyle Pederson, co-host of the Rocky series podcast called One More Round https://www.youtube.com/@onemoreroundtherockyseries6976/videos

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Transcript
Katie:

Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Pop Culture Rewind.

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Let's continue the exploration of

the best of the eighties and nineties

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with our every man, Patrick Swayze.

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time we're gonna be traveling back

to March of:

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age crime drama with an incredible

cast up and coming stars, the

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outsiders, as a special treat.

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Today I am joined by Kyle Peterson, who

I'm lucky enough to spend every other

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Sunday morning with co-hosting the Rocky

Series Podcast called One More Round.

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Thank you so much for

joining me on Retro Made.

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Kyle: Thank you for having me and

I dare say this seems a little more

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polished than the Rocky Series podcast.

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I think you, you run a

pretty tight chip over here.

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Katie: I try.

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I try.

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Kyle: Hopefully Ryan didn't hear that, but

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Katie: No, he's a consummate professional

and he's just an old pro at it.

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plus we've seen rakia a gazillion

times, so there's no, no prep work

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needs to be done, really on our side.

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Anyway, Brian does all the work.

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I think we'll start by opening

the time capsule from March of

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1983.

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Kyle, were you even born yet?

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Kyle: No, I was born in March of 1984,

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Katie: Oh,

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Kyle: I wasn't even conceived quite yet.

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That was three months

before I was conceived.

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Roughly

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Katie: well, I was,

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I guess I would be a toddler.

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I was over, yeah.

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Kyle: you be about two.

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you're my sister's age.

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Like I have an older sister Because

you graduated in 99, I'm guessing.

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Katie: Yes.

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Kyle: yeah.

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Katie: August of 81, so it was like

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Kyle: Oh,

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Katie: a half.

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Kyle: sister's August 81.

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Yeah, she's August 3rd.

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Yeah.

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Katie: August 8th.

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Kyle: Whoa.

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Yeah.

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Pretty close

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Katie: August.

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We're us Leos we're, It's a whole thing.

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since you weren't born yet, but you did

have an older sister, and assuming you

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watched some of this, some of this might

be familiar to you, like in syndication

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or just being alive in the world.

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Kyle: Oh, sure.

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Yeah.

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'cause

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Katie: yeah.

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Kyle: if you think about, say

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like

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you're born and then your earliest

memories are you maybe four or five

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years old, something like that.

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So my early years, earliest

memories would be, I can remember

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when I was three actually.

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so 87.

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But you think like, how much

has changed in four years?

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Not a ton.

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So that'd be like us remembering 2019.

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The world doesn't look other than safe.

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The obvious event that happened in 2020.

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Katie: Mm-Hmm.

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Kyle: actual look of the world and

the way people talked or dressed and

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stuff isn't substantially different.

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So a lot of things seem kind of

familiar, even though the movie's

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obviously not set in the eighties.

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Katie: Correct.

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And that is one of the things, we'll

get into that, but I, to that point,

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I think that is one of the things

that helps a movie seem dated is

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if it's like a period piece of

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Kyle: Yeah,

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Katie: It doesn't,

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Kyle: yeah.

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and I like the levels of detail.

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Like for example, you see prices in

certain areas of the movie, like the

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price of gas, or there's the scene

in the grocery store and it has

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like the price of bacon and stuff.

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And I'm a nerd, so I'm

looking it up on my phone.

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So like the price of gas, for example,

is like 39 tenths a gallon, but that'd

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be about three 50 today from 1966.

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So I'm like, someone did the math.

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Katie: Mm-Hmm.

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Kyle: And,

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Katie: Well.

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Kyle: and I like that.

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Katie: This was a pro,

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Kyle: Yeah,

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Katie: Ford Coppola, which we'll get

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into, but he knew a thing

or two about movie making,

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Kyle: exactly.

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Katie: But before we get into the

Outsiders, we wanna set that stage,

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because it came out in March of 1983.

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Now, have to pipe in if you, if

your parents talked about these or

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if you're aware of any of these,

or watched them in syndication.

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according to Nielsen ratings,

the top shows were Dallas Mash,

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and this was actually M's.

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Final season, 83 Magnum PI Dynasty,

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three's Company.

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Did you

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watch that in syndication ever?

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Kyle: Uh,

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Katie: loved

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Kyle: yeah, my grandpa

really liked three's company

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and I remember trying to like it as a kid.

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Probably reruns mine too, but.

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I didn't get it like it was above my head.

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And I think that's probably

a good thing for that age.

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But even like ma, I'd watch MASH

and stuff, like there's always

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reruns of these shows going

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Katie: Yep.

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Kyle: and, but that's back when you

just had to watch whatever's on tv.

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Like you can't just stream

whatever you feel like.

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Katie: exactly.

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Yeah.

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And so there were a

lot of reruns, I think.

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I think I saw a lot of things

like that were, 'cause I had

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older sisters as well, so I

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saw things that were

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beyond my years,

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so to speak.

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Kyle: yeah.

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'cause you could, like I

said, you couldn't pick.

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and I remember

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watching like cheers and things like

that, and I think now I'm like, I have

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a 10 year old daughter and there's no

way she'll, she'd sit through cheers.

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Like, not happening.

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Katie: The

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attention spans have changed.

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Kyle: Yeah.

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That, well, that, that's

another thing too.

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It's like I actually have a hard

time watching a movie with her

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in general, like getting her to

sit for an hour and a half, so.

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Yeah, they like to it's tos and, YouTube

shorts and you just smaller videos.

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So this is just the endless

cycle of the older generation

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harping on the younger generation.

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I'm sure

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Katie: Yeah,

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Kyle: they'll do the same

thing with their kids too.

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Katie: it's true.

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But I mean, how much smaller can we

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get?

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I mean, will they just, I,

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can't imagine what

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their kids will be

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watching

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Kyle: Like I

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Katie: won't be watching anything.

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Kyle: first came out for example,

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and it was like, video's under a minute.

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I'm like, what's the point of that?

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And now it's like, it's, you get

in this void where you're watching

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it forever and then you stop

watching it and you feel like shit.

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Can I say that on the podcast?

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Could I say, okay, cool.

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Katie: can

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Kyle: Alright.

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Katie: yeah, I'm all for cursing.

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yeah.

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It's crazy.

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It is, and you're right.

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Like our parents said the same, similar

things about us, but, I never watched

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Falcon Crest, but it was also one of

the popular shows as was the Love Boat.

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I've

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never seen the Love Boat.

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Ryan thinks I would like it,

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Kyle: Oh, is that right?

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Yeah.

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I've never seen Love Boat either,

or Falcon Chris, honestly.

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Even Magnum pi, like I've seen shots

of it and stuff, but I've never

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Katie: Same.

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Kyle: watched an episode.

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I don't know why

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there were never reruns of that.

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But then there were reruns of three's

company and Mash and stuff or Cheers, or

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Katie: good point.

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Kyle: I don't know who's in charge of

deciding what reruns you should show, but

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whatever.

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Katie: I agree.

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Yeah.

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The, A team, was

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their season or their series premiere

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Kyle: Right?

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Katie: for the, A

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team our, clubber Lang

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Kyle: That's right.

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That's right.

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Katie: in that, AKA Mr.

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T, the Jeffersons and I have seen that

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in syndication quite a bit.

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it's pretty good.

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Kyle: Never watched the Jeffersons either.

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Katie: Really

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Kyle: Yeah,

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Katie: New Heart.

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New

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Kyle: no.

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Katie: That's pretty old.

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I remember.

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I remember about New Heart is, They were

like these three guys that hung out and

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I can't remember what the guy's name.

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He's like, this is my brother Darrell

and this is my other brother Darrell.

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Kyle: Okay.

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Katie: Yeah.

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one day at a time.

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That's the Valerie Burelli one.

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I never got into that show, like reruns or

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anything.

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And then Knots Landing,

I think is another soap.

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Kyle: Hmm.

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Katie: So some of the shows that,

so there's a few notable finales and

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notable premieres that I wanted to

bring up that weren't necessarily

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like in the top Nielsen RA ratings.

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So Square pegs.

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I never saw

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that.

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But that, was,

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Jessica Parker.

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Kyle: What was that right?

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Katie: Yeah,

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was one of her early roles.

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Laverne and Shirley Archie Bunker's Place.

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Taxi and

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Kyle: I like taxi as a kid.

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I don't know why.

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Like I, I like the

opening scene, especially.

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Katie: Yeah,

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Kyle: I think partially too.

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'cause I liked back to the back

to the future movies as a kid

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Katie: Oh,

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Kyle: and Christopher Lloyd

was in Taxi and his character

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was just so out to lunch.

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Too funny.

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And I also liked Danny DeVito.

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He was in a lot of films

and he was in taxi.

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So, yeah, I enjoyed that show.

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Katie: Tony

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Kyle: Oh yeah.

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So of course to, yeah.

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'cause I used to like,

who's the boss as well,

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Katie: Mm-Hmm.

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Kyle: and he was in the

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Katie: the boss

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Kyle: Yeah,

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Katie: did you ever, so

there's two notable premieres,

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mama's family and Webster.

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Are you familiar Webster?

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That Emmanuel Lewis.

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He was the little kid, adopted by like,

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a white family.

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Kyle: no, I never saw that one.

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Katie: remember where they were.

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I remember they had a dumb

waiter in their house and

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Webster would get in it and don't know.

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Kyle: I.

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Katie: that's like what I

remember watching about Webster

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and I loved Mama's family.

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There were of this.

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It must have been like on

Saturday or Sunday mornings,

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because I remember

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watching it as a kid,

like in the summertime.

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Kyle: yes, of course.

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Summertime tv where you're

desperate to watch anything

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Katie: Yeah.

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it was funny.

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I would still watch.

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It's,

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quite good.

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I like it, but it's so eighties, early

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Kyle: right?

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Katie: fact.

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Yeah.

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did you, you,

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a like Saturday morning cartoon kid?

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Kyle: Oh, for sure.

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Yeah.

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It's funny too, because like we had

cable off and on when I was growing up,

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so I had cable a little bit as a kid,

and then we moved out like outside of

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the city where they didn't offer cable.

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So, and we're not, it, we didn't,

we couldn't afford to get one of

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those huge satellite dishes that,

you know, the ones with a concrete

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foundation in your backyard.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Kyle: so like I had what we

call it peasant view here, which

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is like your three channels.

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Katie: I've never heard

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Kyle: yeah.

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that's, everyone here calls that.

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Well here,

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everyone here, back in the day

used to call that peasant view.

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You'd have three or four channels

that just came in through the air and

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you'd have your antenna on your tv.

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So I had that for probably

the majority of my childhood.

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So I don't know, like there was limited,

like they're basically just be like

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cartoons on Saturday morning, I think

may either cartoons or the news.

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Right?

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And so,

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Katie: So you were gonna

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Kyle: yes,

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Katie: cartoons?

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Kyle: for sure,

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Katie: of the two when, yeah.

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Did you I have

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these fond memories of eating a

bowl of cereal in front of the TV

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Kyle: Oh yeah.

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Katie: watching cartoons.

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what cereal did you eat

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Kyle: Okay.

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Um,

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my parents never bought sugared

cereal unless it was like

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Christmas or your birthday.

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Katie: Oh wow.

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Kyle: I don't like it

eating now to this day.

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I can eat it, but I find

it way too much sugar.

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So like

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Katie: Yeah, it is, yeah.

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Kyle: Cheerios, like normal

Cheerios, not like Frosted Cheerios.

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shredded Wheat Shreddies,

rice Krispies cornflakes.

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Like just like your basic cereals.

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Katie: oh my gosh.

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I'm so American because even with

oh, I did eat the sugar cereal.

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Love it.

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Still do.

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But Rice Krispies for example,

we would have, we would

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always have Rice Krispies, but

I would literally put sugar

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Kyle: Oh yeah.

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I would too.

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especially if my parents weren't

around, you just dump a shit ton

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of sugar on your Rice Krispies.

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And then your milk tasted like

absurdly sweet at the end.

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Katie: Yep.

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Kyle: Yeah.

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Katie: so in 83, the cartoon we have

Charlie Brown and the Snoopy Show.

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The new Scooby and Scrappy show.

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Kyle: Yeah,

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Katie: I know a lot of people hate

on Scrappy Do, but I didn't mind

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Kyle: Yeah, he's all right.

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Katie: shirt tails, which I loved.

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The Smurfs, and the Chipmunks,

bugs Bunny and the Roadrunner Show.

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Those were kind of the big ones.

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And then, I don't think it

was on Saturday mornings.

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I'm not sure when it originally aired.

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I remember watching this show, like

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After School

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Inspector

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Kyle: Oh shit.

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Katie: premiered in

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Kyle: Yeah.

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Inspector Gadget was like a treat,

like I could never, I never seemed to

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catch it, but if I did, I was always

like super happy when it came on.

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yeah, bugs Bunny, and then there

was this Canadian one called like

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the raccoons or something like that.

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And the villain was like Cyril Sneer.

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Katie: I heard, I've heard

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Kyle: yeah.

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Katie: we didn't have it.

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Kyle: I kind of liked that.

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I don't think it was that

good, but, that was on a lot.

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I feel like there were other

cartoons as well in the nineties.

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I think the nineties is better for Okay.

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Heman and Shira were big.

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Katie: Oh

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Kyle: okay.

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Katie: it.

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Kyle: And then if

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in the eighties, if you were

a kid, especially a boy,

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ninja Turtles was everything.

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So that was my go-to cartoon for sure.

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But there's,

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I feel, I have to, if I had more

time to think about this, I could

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name more, but I feel like the early

nineties had a ton of great cartoons.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Kyle: Yeah.

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I think the nineties is, I think early

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nineties was better than

the eighties for cartoons.

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I'm just gonna late

eighties, early nineties.

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But it sounds like the

cartoons early eighties.

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I don't think so.

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Katie: well, I, yeah, I'm

gonna say mid eighties

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into the early nineties was probably

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Kyle: Yeah.

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I agree.

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I agree with that.

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Yeah,

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I always liked Bugs Bunny

though, in Roadrunner.

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I always enjoyed that.

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That was

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probably my best old

school cartoon I'd watch.

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Katie: I also liked Tom and Jerry a lot.

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Again, I think a lot of

these were on after school.

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I must have caught them

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bef like coming home

from school with a snack.

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Kyle: Did you, I know it's not

a cartoon, but did you ever

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watch Degrassi Junior High?

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Katie: Yes.

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You know what?

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'cause it's Canadian,

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Kyle: Yeah, it's in Toronto.

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Katie: We actually watched it in school.

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Kyle: Yeah.

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Because they, that, that show was

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actually really edgy.

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Like it would talk about

all these issues and stuff.

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it would talk about abuse,

alcoholism, teen pregnancy.

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'cause the character Spike got pregnant.

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Katie: Yes.

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Oh my god.

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You remembered her name.

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Kyle: Oh, I'm actually

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watching that with my daughter right now.

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Like it's on, I think it's

on Prime or something.

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Katie: Does She, like it?

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Kyle: She, you know what she loves

judging, people's clothes and

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hairstyles and making fun of it.

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Katie: She's right.

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She's my

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girl.

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Kyle: Yeah.

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No, you two would actually

get along really well.

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She'd like you.

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yeah, and then they had like, abortion and

in the high school, because high school

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was like late eighties, early nineties,

like one of the characters got aids.

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people were smoking pot.

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Like it was just like

one thing after another.

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but I lived after Grassy Junior High,

Degrassi High after school as a kid.

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Katie: yeah, remember that.

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I guess that was like the, the,

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ultimate like after school special,

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Kyle: YI find it funny now though, 'cause

they all have these Ontario accents and

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that's sort of like the stereotypical

Canadian like abbo and stuff like that.

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And I hear that in their accent.

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They're like, oh, what's that?

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Abbo?

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Katie: Yes, they do.

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do.

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Kyle: Yeah.

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Like that show.

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That accent's from Ontario.

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That show is filmed in Toronto.

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It's like a suburb of

Toronto called Otoko.

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and so it's funny that school

looks like my daughter's school.

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Like they were built around the same time.

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I think they just built them all the same.

456

:

Katie: yeah, I'm sure.

457

:

Cookie cutter.

458

:

some of the midday programming,

459

:

American

460

:

Kyle: Yeah.

461

:

Katie: fat

462

:

Kyle: I

463

:

Katie: and the Cosby

464

:

Kyle: love Fat Elbert as a kid.

465

:

American Gladiator.

466

:

I loved that show.

467

:

That was the best.

468

:

Katie: I feel like that might've been,

469

:

when did

470

:

Kyle: Is that,

471

:

Katie: like

472

:

Kyle: nineties?

473

:

Katie: like late eighties,

474

:

Kyle: Yeah.

475

:

Katie: nineties maybe.

476

:

Kyle: Okay.

477

:

So a little bit past our time period here.

478

:

Katie: And I hadn't, I'd

never heard of this Thunder.

479

:

The

480

:

Barbarian.

481

:

Have you heard of that?

482

:

Kyle: no, I haven't.

483

:

Katie: you watched this,

please let me know.

484

:

Kyle: Honestly, for this segment of the

show, I feel like Ryan would've been a

485

:

much better guest 'cause he's 10 years

older than me, so he would remember

486

:

everything from this time period,

487

:

Katie: I know he was on the big trouble

488

:

in Little China episode, which was 86,

489

:

Kyle: right?

490

:

Katie: so Yeah, I know when I was

going through this, I'm like, crap.

491

:

wasn't even born yet, probably,

but, you watch wrestling as a kid?

492

:

Kyle: Yeah.

493

:

Yeah.

494

:

I liked wrestling.

495

:

Not like Ryan likes wrestling,

496

:

like he knows everything about it.

497

:

But yeah, I liked wrestling like

Hulk Hogan and Jake the snake, and.

498

:

there's this Japanese guy, Yoko Zuna.

499

:

He was like a sumu type of guy.

500

:

There's even two Canadian characters.

501

:

They were like, they looked like Mounties

and they had these Quebec accents.

502

:

So they spoke, yeah, like

they sounded like this one.

503

:

They spoke, you know, like

the French Canadian accent.

504

:

.

Katie: were, I don't remember them.

505

:

Kyle: Yeah.

506

:

There was this

507

:

like showdown they had, it was like the

All America team against the foreign

508

:

fanatics and then the foreign fanatics.

509

:

It was like Lex Luther and Yoko

Zuna and these two Canadian guys

510

:

and like a couple other characters.

511

:

And I,

512

:

Katie: Why was Lex foreign?

513

:

Kyle: I mean it was it Lex Luther?

514

:

Maybe it was some other, it

was like this German guy.

515

:

Maybe I'm

516

:

Katie: Okay.

517

:

Kyle: confused.

518

:

But yeah, I of course wanted the

foreign team to win, but they did not

519

:

Katie: You can't have that.

520

:

America's

521

:

Kyle: but like wrestling is

big in like Western Canada.

522

:

a lot of those guy, like Brett

Hart is from Canada and like a few

523

:

of those other guys are as well.

524

:

Katie: okay.

525

:

that makes sense.

526

:

Kyle: like there's a thing, there

was a thing here called stampede

527

:

wrestling that was kinda similar

that, that went on in the seventies.

528

:

And yeah, WWF would always

come through Canada.

529

:

Like I'm sure Ryan has

been to a lot of them.

530

:

Katie: I've never

531

:

been

532

:

Kyle: Yeah, same.

533

:

Katie: but I watched it with my grandpa on

534

:

Kyle: The most redneck thing I've

ever been to is a monster truck rally.

535

:

And also my dad used to take me to

these things called demolition derbies,

536

:

where,

537

:

Katie: How is that different

from a monster truck

538

:

Kyle: well, usually there isn't a monster

truck there, but it's just people in

539

:

these cars smashing into each other

540

:

Katie: Oh,

541

:

Kyle: where like the monster

truck rally has that.

542

:

But then also these monster trucks

come in and crush the cars and

543

:

do jumps and stuff like that.

544

:

So like a demolition derby is like a poor

man's version of a monster truck rally.

545

:

Katie: Got it.

546

:

Never did not.

547

:

Well, I'm a girl,

548

:

but no, we didn't.

549

:

We didn't do that.

550

:

Kyle: Too good for demolition derbies.

551

:

Katie: I,

552

:

Kyle: You just have sisters?

553

:

Yeah.

554

:

do you have any brothers?

555

:

Katie: Yeah.

556

:

It's

557

:

all it is.

558

:

Yeah.

559

:

We're a family of, there's three girls,

560

:

Kyle: Okay.

561

:

Yeah.

562

:

Katie: would not have

been up our alley at all.

563

:

so let's move on to the,

music, top 10 Billboards from

564

:

this week, March 25th, 1983.

565

:

I guarantee you know, a lot of these,

566

:

the

567

:

Kyle: I'm sure.

568

:

Katie: one

569

:

song was Billie Jean,

570

:

Kyle: Oh, of course.

571

:

I thought for sure it's gonna

be something Michael Jackson

572

:

related.

573

:

Katie: Yep.

574

:

Yep.

575

:

then Culture

576

:

Clubs.

577

:

Do you really wanna

578

:

Hurt Me

579

:

Kyle: Oh

580

:

Katie: two.

581

:

Kyle: yeah.

582

:

Classic.

583

:

Katie: that's in a lot

of song or, movies, I

584

:

Kyle: Or even like that was a

big one in the wedding singer.

585

:

Katie: Oh, yeah.

586

:

Yeah.

587

:

Kyle: eighties theme movie, and that was

probably one of my first real exposures to

588

:

that song because that movie came out in

like the nineties when I was a teenager.

589

:

Like I'm sure I'd heard it

on the radio or whatever, but

590

:

Katie: Hungry Like The

Wolf by Duran Duran is

591

:

the number three song.

592

:

I'm sure you know that

593

:

Kyle: I,

594

:

Katie: on the radio.

595

:

Kyle: okay.

596

:

I'm really bad at song names.

597

:

Katie: Yeah,

598

:

Kyle: if you hum the tune, I'll be

like, yeah, I recognize that song, but

599

:

Katie: Yeah, Hungry.

600

:

I'm not, I No,

601

:

Kyle: Oh yeah.

602

:

Hungry

603

:

Katie: gonna do

604

:

Kyle: like the

605

:

Wolves.

606

:

yeah,

607

:

Katie: yeah.

608

:

Lionel Richie, I'm not a fan of

his, so, but he had the number

609

:

four song, it's called You Are?

610

:

So, I can't picture it 'cause I don't, I

never really listened to Lionel Richie.

611

:

but the number five song is Back on

the Chain Gang by the Pretenders.

612

:

I can picture that song.

613

:

Kenny Rogers and Sheena

614

:

Easton, we've got, tonight

615

:

Kyle: Oh, nice.

616

:

Katie: is number

617

:

Kyle: Yeah.

618

:

Katie: Mr.

619

:

Roberto

620

:

Kyle: Oh

621

:

Katie: by sticks.

622

:

Kyle: yes.

623

:

Katie: It's number seven.

624

:

Journey.

625

:

Of course there has to be

a journey song in here.

626

:

Number eight, separate Ways,

627

:

worlds Apart in Parentheses, worlds

628

:

Kyle: I thought, I was hoping you

would say, don't stop believing.

629

:

I don't know when that came out exactly,

630

:

Katie: one.

631

:

But this one's better, I think

632

:

Kyle: Okay.

633

:

Katie: only because

634

:

the one you referenced

is just so overplayed

635

:

Kyle: Yeah.

636

:

True.

637

:

Katie: you

638

:

Kyle: it's a victim of its own dominance.

639

:

Katie: Yes.

640

:

That's a

641

:

Kyle: That I ripped that off from Rocky,

642

:

uh,

643

:

Balboa.

644

:

They said that about Bass and Dixon,

that he's a victim of his own dominance.

645

:

Yeah.

646

:

Katie: I should have known that.

647

:

Kyle: See, that's not in the quizzes.

648

:

We do though.

649

:

See, you're like a head on the rocky qui.

650

:

Katie: to that

651

:

Kyle: I know.

652

:

But it's like stuff like that

that you don't happen to know.

653

:

It's never on the quizzes.

654

:

Katie: the super random

655

:

Kyle: Exactly.

656

:

Yeah.

657

:

Katie: nine is one-on-one

by Hall Oates, and number 10

658

:

is Twilight Zone by Golden Earring.

659

:

Kyle: Ah, yes.

660

:

Golden Earring.

661

:

Katie: in.

662

:

Kyle: I remember

663

:

specifically someone asked me once,

could you think of another song,

664

:

golden Earring is Done other than Radar

Love . And I guess that's one, yeah.

665

:

I, and then my mom was in the room.

666

:

She was like,

667

:

Katie: 10.

668

:

Kyle: she listed like

six or seven of them.

669

:

She's like, I bought that album.

670

:

It was really good.

671

:

Well, 'cause my mom was

like an adult at this time.

672

:

Right.

673

:

So yeah.

674

:

Katie: course.

675

:

Of course.

676

:

But

677

:

I didn't know, like I wouldn't

have been able to name another one

678

:

Kyle: Yeah, same.

679

:

Katie: have even been able to

680

:

name Radar Love.

681

:

I mean, I've heard of Golden Ear, but

682

:

Kyle: But you don't know Rad Love.

683

:

Oh, okay.

684

:

Katie: but I wouldn't have been

685

:

Kyle: Oh, I see.

686

:

Yeah.

687

:

Katie: from

688

:

Kyle: Yeah.

689

:

They're a Dutch band.

690

:

Katie: Oh

691

:

Kyle: funny how a lot of foreigners

when they sing don't sound foreign.

692

:

You know what I mean?

693

:

if they're singing in English,

694

:

Katie: What's that about?

695

:

Kyle: I don't know,

like British people like

696

:

Katie: why?

697

:

Kyle: Cole plays, uh, exception to that.

698

:

Like Chris Martin, he sounds British

when he sings, but like Adele and

699

:

a lot of other people, they seem to

lose the accent when they're singing.

700

:

Katie: like the Rolling

701

:

Kyle: Yeah,

702

:

Katie: so many British

703

:

Kyle: yeah.

704

:

Katie: Yeah.

705

:

Kyle: these Dutch people, I would

never have guessed they were Dutch.

706

:

Like when he sings in English,

he doesn't have an accent at all.

707

:

Katie: this is a phenomenon I've often

wondered about as well, and I'll bet

708

:

somebody knows why that is.

709

:

And if you do, please let me know.

710

:

Kyle: Yeah.

711

:

I think, okay, this is my unqualified

opinion here, but I think when you're

712

:

singing your mouth can't make the

same shapes and your like positioning

713

:

of your tongue is different.

714

:

So it's like a lot of the

motions you'd have to make to

715

:

have that accent you can't do.

716

:

that's my guess, but I don't really know.

717

:

Katie: I like it.

718

:

I

719

:

think that tracks.

720

:

Kyle: We'll go with that for now.

721

:

Katie: we're short on news and events that

I thought people might be interested in.

722

:

Before we get into the movie,

this was surprising to me.

723

:

Compact discs, were

724

:

introduced by Phillips and Sony.

725

:

1983.

726

:

Kyle: You know what's funny?

727

:

in the movie, the Wedding Singer, which

is supposed to be around this time, the

728

:

rich asshole guy who drew Barrymore is set

to marry, he brought home this CD player.

729

:

He's this costs like 600 bucks,

which like, god knows how much it's

730

:

now, but I probably like 1500 bucks.

731

:

But he is like, the sound

quality's outstanding.

732

:

And then Drew Barrymore is like, oh,

we should play some records on that.

733

:

He's like, no.

734

:

You play CDs, it's a CD player.

735

:

. But you remember this would be for me

late nine, say mid to late nineties

736

:

you'd have a disc vin playing your

737

:

Katie: yeah.

738

:

Kyle: CD and that thing would

skip if you looked at it wrong.

739

:

Katie: Yeah.

740

:

Well it was one of the newer

versions, like that was a big feature.

741

:

Is

742

:

it was, it had some sort of

balancing mechanism that it wasn't

743

:

Kyle: Yeah.

744

:

And it was managed, it was, sorry,

745

:

measured in seconds.

746

:

Like my CD player has what's

called like a three second skip.

747

:

And then the longer it was, the more you

could shake it around and my friends are

748

:

getting like five or ten second skips.

749

:

'cause they had newer versions.

750

:

so basically if you shook it where

it would cause a delay of less

751

:

than three seconds, you wouldn't

hear it like it would keep playing.

752

:

Katie: Got it.

753

:

Kyle: But yeah.

754

:

Now I think, not that

anyone uses disciplines.

755

:

I think the la latest versions

of them, you can like smack on

756

:

the table and they wouldn't skip.

757

:

But

758

:

Katie: And

759

:

we had those giant, like stereo systems

760

:

Kyle: yes,

761

:

Katie: too, like

762

:

that took

763

:

up.

764

:

Kyle: you'd have that in your room.

765

:

Like it'd make your room look cool

766

:

'cause you had a giant stereo system.

767

:

Katie: I can totally picture mine.

768

:

And there was a remote and

769

:

Kyle: And then like the

nice houses would have like

770

:

that in their living room behind like a

shelf with glass, glass cabinet doors.

771

:

And they'd have a thing with

all the cassettes or CDs

772

:

like neatly there and stuff.

773

:

And if you had a shittier

774

:

Katie: didn't ever have

one, like in our living

775

:

room.

776

:

It was like in my

777

:

Kyle: Well,

778

:

Katie: had one in our

779

:

Kyle: yeah.

780

:

But like some families would

have, like, they, they're always

781

:

like, look like metallic in color.

782

:

Like they'd look like, stainless

steel or something almost.

783

:

I.

784

:

They were huge and they had like a

bajillion knobs on it, which I don't

785

:

know what they're supposed to do.

786

:

Katie: Mm-Hmm?

787

:

Kyle: that would be like the

family sound system, which

788

:

would be the really nice one.

789

:

And then you'd have your almost boombox

looking sound system in your room.

790

:

Katie: Ooh, the boombox.

791

:

Kyle: Yeah,

792

:

Katie: Did you guys have a family sound

793

:

Kyle: no, I'm talking

about like nice houses,

794

:

Katie: I was like, we

795

:

Kyle: Yeah, no, I noticed that.

796

:

Okay.

797

:

So I grew up,

798

:

I didn't grow up like super poor, but

like I grew up in a solidly middle or

799

:

upper middle class town, but I was not

middle class, you know what I mean?

800

:

So it's like I was never in

poverty or anything, but like.

801

:

All my friends had more money than me.

802

:

So like when I go to their house, they're

like, notice all this stuff around

803

:

Katie: And then you come home and beg

your parents for, and they're like, God

804

:

Kyle: that, it reminds me of this Dave

Chappelle, skit where he is I grew up,

805

:

he's I didn't grow up in the ghetto.

806

:

He's I grew up just nice enough to be

poor around white people, . And he is I

807

:

come back from their house and be like,

mom, dad, you really gotta up your game.

808

:

Katie: They're like, I haven't heard that.

809

:

And I feel like I've heard

all of Dave Chappelle's stuff.

810

:

but yeah, I guess.

811

:

Considering they came out in I feel like I

812

:

didn't start getting CDs until like the

813

:

Kyle: Yeah.

814

:

Katie: nineties.

815

:

Kyle: because I think it was like

816

:

like you on the wedding singer,

you mentioned that CD player

817

:

is like 600 bucks, right?

818

:

And it's like no one is gonna spend

that unless you're really rich.

819

:

And so I think like people just

preferred to have cassettes.

820

:

Plus like you had the Walkman too, right?

821

:

So it's if you wanted to play

your, like you probably wouldn't

822

:

have got a disc one in 83.

823

:

So like your CD would be limited to

just your home, where if you had a

824

:

cassette you could play it at home,

but also bring it with you with

825

:

your Walkman, which would be great.

826

:

Katie: Yeah.

827

:

Kyle: then it didn't skip

828

:

Katie: the car.

829

:

Kyle: Or the car.

830

:

Yeah.

831

:

So like

832

:

I, I think it took time for the

CD to actually get integrated into

833

:

Katie: Yeah.

834

:

Kyle: the main music mix.

835

:

'cause yeah, even as a little

kid I was buying cassette tapes.

836

:

Katie: Yeah, I can picture my Walkman.

837

:

It was maroon and

838

:

I played the soundtrack of cocktail

839

:

on it over.

840

:

And I feel like that was

like, I had like two tapes,

841

:

Kyle: Yes, of course.

842

:

Katie: Cocktail was one of them.

843

:

Kyle: Yeah.

844

:

'cause you go through your parents'

tape and it's just a bunch of shit

845

:

that you would listen to anyways.

846

:

Katie: also, IBM

847

:

releases PS Doss version

848

:

two.

849

:

Kyle: Nice.

850

:

Katie: was probably super high Tech.

851

:

1983.

852

:

Uh, big shocker.

853

:

Both the US

854

:

and USSR performed nuclear tests.

855

:

Kyle: Oh yeah.

856

:

Katie: Umberto II of Italy,

who was the last king of Italy.

857

:

He reigned for 24 days, is all in 1946.

858

:

He dies in exile at age

in, of nine, of:

859

:

I was not aware that person existed.

860

:

Kyle: Same

861

:

Katie: well he only ran for

24 days, but I was like,

862

:

oh, that was the

863

:

last King of Italy in 1946.

864

:

Kyle: Yeah, I was, you know, I

actually am fairly well studied in

865

:

like World War II and stuff, but

that's actually one thing I never, I.

866

:

Looked into or considered was

like the Italian monarchy.

867

:

'cause in my mind, like when

Mussolini was running the show

868

:

there, like it was just him in power.

869

:

And maybe there was a king

there as a figurehead.

870

:

I actually don't know at all.

871

:

Katie: Same.

872

:

Kyle: Maybe they reinstated a king once he

was gone, and then people didn't like it.

873

:

I don't know.

874

:

I should, I'm gonna read up on

875

:

Katie: dies in exile, so

something must have happened

876

:

Kyle: Yeah.

877

:

Like maybe he, if he was

like a, it makes sense to me.

878

:

If he was a figurehead or something

when Mussolini was around or

879

:

maybe his family members were or

something, then no one would like him.

880

:

So that's kinda like the

German Kaiser from World War.

881

:

I lived in exile in the Netherlands

after the war, and he survived

882

:

like until World War ii.

883

:

Like he died partway

through World War ii, but

884

:

Katie: yeah.

885

:

I feel like we didn't

886

:

a lot about Italy

887

:

Kyle: yeah.

888

:

Katie: in history

889

:

Kyle: Yeah.

890

:

When you, yeah, it's like World War ii.

891

:

It's always like Germany, Japan, right.

892

:

And you never really care about Italy.

893

:

They're kind of a sides show.

894

:

I.

895

:

Katie: and then the last little

bit is, Harrison Ford married the

896

:

screenwriter, Melissa Matheson,

and they divorced in:

897

:

and I think he's been with,

I don't know if they're

898

:

Kyle: Yeah.

899

:

Callista Flockhart,

900

:

Katie: Yeah.

901

:

Are they married, or have they

just been together forever?

902

:

Kyle: I don't know, but yeah,

they're as good as married.

903

:

I dunno if they're officially

married, but they might as well be.

904

:

Katie: So I have a few

905

:

questions for you, Kyle, before

we get into the outsiders.

906

:

So first season of repaid

is built around I deem

907

:

the ultimate every men,

Kurt Russell and Patrick

908

:

Kyle: Sure.

909

:

Katie: Do you have any particular

thoughts or fandom about either of

910

:

them?

911

:

Kyle: I'm not a huge fan.

912

:

Katie: Okay.

913

:

Kyle: of, I'd say I'd

probably prefer Kurt Russell.

914

:

Um, like Escape from New York or

Escape from LA or those kind of films

915

:

I thought were cool, Patrick Swayze

doing pottery as a ghost type of thing.

916

:

Never really, never really did it for me.

917

:

,

Katie: trip your

918

:

trigger?

919

:

Kyle: I don't know.

920

:

I never really, honestly, I never really

grew up watching either of them that much.

921

:

Like they're both kind of

peripheral characters for me.

922

:

Katie: That's fair.

923

:

That's fair.

924

:

well, this'll be interesting then.

925

:

do you

926

:

think that

927

:

they look at all

928

:

Kyle: yeah.

929

:

Like they, if you told me they were

cousins or something like that,

930

:

I'd be like, yeah, it makes sense.

931

:

Katie: I love it.

932

:

Okay.

933

:

I am

934

:

starting to get more people

'cause I very much think they look

935

:

Kyle: I never thought about it really.

936

:

Katie: a lot of my Yeah, I know.

937

:

But if they're side by side,

like in the mid eighties or late

938

:

eighties and they're around the same

age, I think Kurt's a year or two older,

939

:

Kyle: Yeah,

940

:

Katie: I think they look very similar.

941

:

And I wish they would've played

cousins or brothers or something.

942

:

but they didn't.

943

:

And then we lost Patrick.

944

:

But I'm glad to hear you say

that because I feel like a lot

945

:

of people that I've had on mostly

the men have, don't really see it.

946

:

Kyle: I get in arguments like this all

the time, especially with my wife, like

947

:

her and i's criteria for who looks alike

and who doesn't is pretty different.

948

:

So it's yeah, I've gotten many a fight

about like, if someone looks like someone

949

:

else, or even like you say, if you see

a movie character or a TV character and

950

:

they remind you of someone you know in

real life and you'll say to the person

951

:

besides Hey, doesn't this person look

like so-and-So, and you know, sometimes

952

:

someone will be like, no, not at all.

953

:

And you're like, are you insane?

954

:

do you not see it?

955

:

Katie: Yes.

956

:

That's how I am with this whole thing.

957

:

I'm like, how do people not see it?

958

:

Yeah.

959

:

Alright.

960

:

Shall we get into the

movie, the Outsiders?

961

:

Kyle: So I want, I wanna show you my

dog, Lou in his, he got his hair cut.

962

:

So he is looking good.

963

:

Katie: Oh, hold him up a little

964

:

higher.

965

:

Hi Lou.

966

:

Oh my God,

967

:

Kyle: He is a good boy.

968

:

Katie: I wanna put

969

:

him in my purse and take him

970

:

home.

971

:

Kyle: He's ours.

972

:

We love this guy.

973

:

He's nine years old.

974

:

Katie: God.

975

:

he's so cute.

976

:

Kyle: Yeah, he's, when his hair

grows out, they think he looks

977

:

like an Ewok from Star Wars

978

:

Katie: Yeah, he's got the same coloring

979

:

Kyle: Good boy Lou.

980

:

He was like on the couch I had,

981

:

Katie: a good,

982

:

Kyle: I had to coach him to come off

the, or coax him to come off the couch

983

:

and he really didn't feel like it.

984

:

. And then,

985

:

Katie: well with him you

can just pick him up.

986

:

That's the thing

987

:

that sucks about having

988

:

big dogs.

989

:

I can't pick them

990

:

Kyle: yeah.

991

:

Yeah, he's super cuddly.

992

:

Like he's probably 10, 12 pounds and

993

:

Katie: I love

994

:

Kyle: really, hes a, he's part

shihtzu, so he's like really good

995

:

with kids and he is a good lap

dog and he is a good snuggle dog.

996

:

If I go down for a nap or

something, he's like excited.

997

:

He's like, yeah, let's do this nap

998

:

Katie: That's my kind of dog.

999

:

I love that

:

00:34:17,726 --> 00:34:21,106

Kyle: Oh, shihtzu are fucking lazy

dogs, which is great 'cause they don't

:

00:34:21,106 --> 00:34:24,065

demand a lot of you, but they still

like to go out for walks and do stuff.

:

00:34:24,476 --> 00:34:24,766

Katie: sure.

:

00:34:24,826 --> 00:34:28,065

Kyle: it's not like if you have a border

collie that's like super smart and

:

00:34:28,065 --> 00:34:29,706

energetic and stuff, like, that's a lot.

:

00:34:29,706 --> 00:34:33,126

I grew up with a dog that was like half

border Collie, half German Shepherd.

:

00:34:33,826 --> 00:34:37,286

So he was smart as fuck

and he needed a ton of

:

00:34:37,606 --> 00:34:37,926

exercise

:

00:34:38,795 --> 00:34:39,856

and he was a good dog.

:

00:34:40,036 --> 00:34:44,206

But you know, like he had a rough

time and we left him at home,

:

00:34:44,306 --> 00:34:45,646

you know, during the workday.

:

00:34:45,806 --> 00:34:51,025

Katie: Yeah, I, the beautiful,

I can't do, Super intelligent.

:

00:34:51,266 --> 00:34:51,866

I like a dumb

:

00:34:52,141 --> 00:34:52,360

Kyle: Yes.

:

00:34:52,376 --> 00:34:52,746

Katie: I'll be

:

00:34:52,746 --> 00:34:53,306

perfectly honest.

:

00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:55,866

I like a dumb dog and I like a lazier

:

00:34:55,971 --> 00:34:56,261

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:34:56,261 --> 00:34:57,141

Intelligent dogs

:

00:34:57,561 --> 00:34:58,181

get into trouble

:

00:34:58,461 --> 00:34:58,701

a lot

:

00:34:59,426 --> 00:34:59,716

Katie: Yeah,

:

00:34:59,771 --> 00:35:02,511

Kyle: and like they circumvent

things you do to stop,

:

00:35:02,781 --> 00:35:04,071

like you don't want 'em to do something.

:

00:35:04,071 --> 00:35:05,511

They'll figure out a way around it.

:

00:35:06,586 --> 00:35:06,876

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:35:06,976 --> 00:35:07,396

I'm Lear.

:

00:35:07,436 --> 00:35:08,516

I have Bloodhounds right now.

:

00:35:08,576 --> 00:35:12,016

And they're not like, they're not

like a border collie, but they're

:

00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:15,096

extremely stubborn and inquisitive

:

00:35:15,211 --> 00:35:17,391

and, independent.

:

00:35:17,491 --> 00:35:22,961

So I will catch Rambo,

like eyeing, like out of

:

00:35:22,961 --> 00:35:23,841

the side of his eye.

:

00:35:23,841 --> 00:35:25,321

Like, is she watching me?

:

00:35:25,681 --> 00:35:25,801

I

:

00:35:26,026 --> 00:35:26,316

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:35:26,466 --> 00:35:26,756

Yeah.

:

00:35:26,991 --> 00:35:29,961

Katie: because he'll, he knows what

he is not supposed to do, but he'll,

:

00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:30,681

do it anyway.

:

00:35:31,076 --> 00:35:31,816

Kyle: oh, for sure.

:

00:35:31,901 --> 00:35:32,191

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:35:32,526 --> 00:35:35,106

Kyle: and they know when they get

caught and you yell at them and

:

00:35:35,106 --> 00:35:36,396

they kinda slink away like this

:

00:35:37,931 --> 00:35:40,661

Katie: But it never, he never,

:

00:35:40,661 --> 00:35:41,381

learns his lesson.

:

00:35:41,471 --> 00:35:42,621

He'll continue to do it over

:

00:35:42,656 --> 00:35:43,196

Kyle: Oh, for sure.

:

00:35:43,426 --> 00:35:44,876

Like for them, it's like a

:

00:35:45,826 --> 00:35:47,276

cost benefit analysis.

:

00:35:47,456 --> 00:35:48,076

So it's like

:

00:35:48,956 --> 00:35:50,376

Katie: And I can see it in his

:

00:35:50,376 --> 00:35:50,616

head.

:

00:35:50,686 --> 00:35:51,216

He's, Yeah.

:

00:35:51,876 --> 00:35:53,066

Oh, he's naughty, but I

:

00:35:53,196 --> 00:35:53,486

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:35:53,556 --> 00:35:54,166

That, yeah.

:

00:35:54,166 --> 00:35:55,206

You love 'em no matter what.

:

00:35:55,206 --> 00:35:56,766

Like to me, they're just

like kids, you know?

:

00:35:56,766 --> 00:35:57,806

Like they're gonna get into trouble.

:

00:35:58,626 --> 00:35:58,916

Katie: yeah.

:

00:35:59,086 --> 00:35:59,996

Can't have nice things.

:

00:36:00,106 --> 00:36:03,886

we, were just about to start

discussion about the actual movie.

:

00:36:09,776 --> 00:36:13,096

so The Outsiders was

th,:

:

00:36:13,116 --> 00:36:15,776

It was rated PG and

:

00:36:16,606 --> 00:36:18,336

it's IMDB rating is a seven.

:

00:36:18,881 --> 00:36:19,171

Kyle: Okay.

:

00:36:19,591 --> 00:36:19,881

Katie: Like

:

00:36:20,051 --> 00:36:21,391

Kyle: Can I stop you on the rating there?

:

00:36:21,671 --> 00:36:24,631

'cause I rented, I had to rent this

movie this morning 'cause I couldn't

:

00:36:24,631 --> 00:36:26,071

get it on any of the streaming services.

:

00:36:27,431 --> 00:36:28,331

Katie: Oh it's on Max.

:

00:36:28,441 --> 00:36:29,581

Kyle: Oh yeah.

:

00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:30,451

Katie: Do

:

00:36:30,511 --> 00:36:30,801

Kyle: Okay.

:

00:36:30,801 --> 00:36:35,361

They have what's in Canada called Crave

and that has all the HBO stuff on it.

:

00:36:36,271 --> 00:36:36,851

Katie: Oh, okay.

:

00:36:37,146 --> 00:36:40,026

Kyle: I tried to search that one and

it didn't seem to, maybe I screwed up

:

00:36:40,026 --> 00:36:41,786

and forgot to search it, but whatever.

:

00:36:41,836 --> 00:36:44,136

it was rated for some reason, like 18 a

:

00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:46,603

when that, when the movie first came up.

:

00:36:46,663 --> 00:36:47,723

And I thought that was odd.

:

00:36:47,753 --> 00:36:52,693

Like, you're rating a PG or whatever

like that seems to make more sense.

:

00:36:52,828 --> 00:36:53,268

Katie: according to

:

00:36:53,413 --> 00:36:53,943

Kyle: Make sense?

:

00:36:53,943 --> 00:36:54,023

Yeah.

:

00:36:54,368 --> 00:36:56,688

and usually ratings in

Canada are more liberal.

:

00:36:56,878 --> 00:37:00,408

Like for example, a lot of stuff that's

rated R in America is not rated R here,

:

00:37:01,383 --> 00:37:02,883

Katie: Oh, okay.

:

00:37:03,033 --> 00:37:03,323

Yeah.

:

00:37:03,348 --> 00:37:06,808

Kyle: but so like I was real surprised,

like you have to have say saving

:

00:37:06,808 --> 00:37:09,648

private Ryan to be rated R here

'cause it's like brutal violence.

:

00:37:10,388 --> 00:37:12,888

But if you see some chick's,

boobs that doesn't make it rated

:

00:37:12,988 --> 00:37:16,968

all type of thing, but, which you

don't see in outsiders anyway.

:

00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:17,288

But

:

00:37:18,558 --> 00:37:19,258

Katie: No, I

:

00:37:19,258 --> 00:37:21,058

wonder if it's just like heaviness

:

00:37:22,398 --> 00:37:23,248

Kyle: yeah, I don't,

:

00:37:23,728 --> 00:37:23,848

I.

:

00:37:24,908 --> 00:37:25,588

I can't explain that.

:

00:37:25,698 --> 00:37:26,988

I'll just pretend that didn't happen.

:

00:37:27,418 --> 00:37:28,468

That reading came up,

:

00:37:30,588 --> 00:37:34,118

Katie: Well, our director, we touched

upon him a little bit earlier, but the

:

00:37:34,118 --> 00:37:40,458

acclaimed Francis Ford Coppola, who

is actually for those who might not be

:

00:37:40,458 --> 00:37:43,218

aware, the brother of our Adrian.

:

00:37:43,578 --> 00:37:44,158

Kyle: is that right?

:

00:37:44,188 --> 00:37:45,668

Katie: we Rocky's Adrian.

:

00:37:45,668 --> 00:37:45,868

Yeah.

:

00:37:46,028 --> 00:37:46,148

A

:

00:37:46,218 --> 00:37:46,508

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:37:46,778 --> 00:37:48,858

Katie: and Francis Ford Kla are siblings.

:

00:37:49,028 --> 00:37:49,448

Kyle: Get out.

:

00:37:49,608 --> 00:37:50,168

I never knew that.

:

00:37:51,118 --> 00:37:53,138

No, I'm sure Ryan did, but I didn't.

:

00:37:53,988 --> 00:37:54,278

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:55,388

'cause she's in, she's in

:

00:37:55,388 --> 00:37:56,588

Godfather as Connie.

:

00:37:56,855 --> 00:38:00,365

Kyle: she's not a bad actor by any means,

but it does help to know people as well.

:

00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:00,765

All.

:

00:38:02,190 --> 00:38:04,940

Katie: certainly, I mean, in this movie

was, I'll touch on it in a little bit.

:

00:38:05,110 --> 00:38:11,820

Quite the family affair actually,

because, let's see, the music was, done

:

00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,100

by Carmine,

:

00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:14,780

Coppola, who is their father

:

00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,100

Kyle: father Carmine,

:

00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:18,050

Katie: Indeed.

:

00:38:18,810 --> 00:38:23,050

then Giancarlo, which I

freaking love that name so much.

:

00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,570

It's like one of my favorite names.

:

00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:31,290

He Francis's and he was an

associate producer on this movie,

:

00:38:31,590 --> 00:38:32,290

but he actually,

:

00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:33,760

died in:

:

00:38:34,060 --> 00:38:34,900

the age of 23,

:

00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:35,540

Kyle: Shit

:

00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,220

Katie: in a boat cable accident.

:

00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:40,760

we'll talk about like in some

of the casting, like another

:

00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,260

family member was, tried

:

00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:43,700

to get in this movie, didn't make it.

:

00:38:44,686 --> 00:38:47,436

Kyle: can't, they can't all

make it, or the movie will suck.

:

00:38:49,091 --> 00:38:53,141

Katie: So the writers here, we

have, obviously the author of

:

00:38:53,201 --> 00:38:57,861

the book, SE Hinton, she was one

of the writers on this movie.

:

00:38:58,321 --> 00:38:59,621

She also wrote Rumble Fish.

:

00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:02,481

and then the other writer

is Kathleen Rowell.

:

00:39:03,391 --> 00:39:05,931

And people might know her from,

:

00:39:06,151 --> 00:39:08,601

Hear No Evil and The Joy of Sex,

:

00:39:09,276 --> 00:39:10,156

Kyle: People like sex.

:

00:39:11,551 --> 00:39:11,671

Katie: I

:

00:39:11,681 --> 00:39:12,221

Kyle: Are you serious?

:

00:39:12,251 --> 00:39:12,541

What?

:

00:39:13,091 --> 00:39:13,311

Katie: Who

:

00:39:13,411 --> 00:39:15,371

Kyle: I thought it was just

an obligation to make babies.

:

00:39:16,551 --> 00:39:17,441

Katie: Yeah, that's right.

:

00:39:17,901 --> 00:39:18,251

Kyle: Weird.

:

00:39:18,601 --> 00:39:18,841

Katie: what it

:

00:39:19,071 --> 00:39:19,291

Kyle: Yes.

:

00:39:22,361 --> 00:39:26,421

Katie: as I touched on when

I introduced this episode,

:

00:39:26,771 --> 00:39:29,181

this cast is out of this

:

00:39:29,571 --> 00:39:29,791

Kyle: it.

:

00:39:29,851 --> 00:39:34,751

It was really perfectly timed because

it's like these guys' names, it's not

:

00:39:34,751 --> 00:39:39,446

like they were unknowns necessarily at

the time, but it's like . You couldn't

:

00:39:39,446 --> 00:39:40,726

have had all those guys in a movie.

:

00:39:41,626 --> 00:39:42,766

Not withstanding age.

:

00:39:43,226 --> 00:39:46,686

You couldn't have all like that

cast 10 years later with that.

:

00:39:46,686 --> 00:39:47,806

With a budget like that.

:

00:39:47,866 --> 00:39:48,306

Katie: all up

:

00:39:48,406 --> 00:39:48,696

Kyle: yeah.

:

00:39:48,696 --> 00:39:52,096

Like it was just, they swooped all these

awesome up and coming guys up at the

:

00:39:52,096 --> 00:39:53,456

same time and got them in the same room.

:

00:39:53,456 --> 00:39:54,526

And that's pretty rare.

:

00:39:56,456 --> 00:39:59,826

Katie: It's super rare and it, I

mean they literally all went on

:

00:39:59,966 --> 00:40:01,626

to have pretty incredible careers.

:

00:40:02,486 --> 00:40:04,936

so we have c Thomas

:

00:40:05,246 --> 00:40:05,466

Kyle: Out.

:

00:40:05,846 --> 00:40:09,676

Katie: plays Pony Boy, Curtis,

Matt, Dillon plays Dallas,

:

00:40:11,146 --> 00:40:13,096

Ralph Macchio plays Johnny.

:

00:40:13,876 --> 00:40:19,376

And our every man, Patrick

Swayze plays Darrell Curtis, Rob

:

00:40:19,526 --> 00:40:21,496

Lowe, this, he plays Soda Pop.

:

00:40:21,496 --> 00:40:23,006

Curtis, things.

:

00:40:23,026 --> 00:40:24,606

So Rob Lowe, this was his,

:

00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:25,756

film debut.

:

00:40:26,876 --> 00:40:27,166

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:40:27,496 --> 00:40:27,916

Katie: Did you know

:

00:40:28,026 --> 00:40:32,066

Kyle: I didn't know it was his debut,

but he obviously was very young.

:

00:40:33,366 --> 00:40:35,106

He was friends with the Sheens.

:

00:40:35,711 --> 00:40:36,321

Like prior?

:

00:40:36,471 --> 00:40:36,761

yeah.

:

00:40:38,696 --> 00:40:39,856

Katie: he was part of the Bratt

:

00:40:40,031 --> 00:40:41,041

Kyle: yeah, yeah.

:

00:40:41,041 --> 00:40:41,401

Exactly.

:

00:40:41,426 --> 00:40:41,716

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:40:42,696 --> 00:40:45,416

so there's a lot of like

interwoven, lot of this cast,

:

00:40:45,416 --> 00:40:47,256

they go on to be in other things together.

:

00:40:47,356 --> 00:40:47,576

So

:

00:40:48,541 --> 00:40:51,101

Kyle: the actor who played

Pony Boy, that's the only one I

:

00:40:51,101 --> 00:40:52,501

couldn't picture in other films.

:

00:40:54,466 --> 00:40:57,156

Katie: Yeah, he same like I,

:

00:40:57,296 --> 00:40:58,196

but have you

:

00:40:58,196 --> 00:40:59,196

seen, red Dawn?

:

00:40:59,481 --> 00:41:00,101

Kyle: Oh, God.

:

00:41:00,411 --> 00:41:00,981

long ago.

:

00:41:01,491 --> 00:41:03,301

Like well over 25 years ago.

:

00:41:04,786 --> 00:41:05,386

Katie: I just covered

:

00:41:05,501 --> 00:41:05,791

Kyle: Okay.

:

00:41:05,946 --> 00:41:07,306

Katie: the, i for the show.

:

00:41:07,606 --> 00:41:08,446

'cause Patrick, so.

:

00:41:09,941 --> 00:41:12,301

C Thomas Howell and

Patrick Swayze are both in

:

00:41:12,401 --> 00:41:13,241

Kyle: I got to watch that

:

00:41:13,311 --> 00:41:14,101

Katie: along with, so

:

00:41:14,101 --> 00:41:17,141

there's actually four

people in both movies.

:

00:41:17,301 --> 00:41:17,521

Kyle: Wow.

:

00:41:18,221 --> 00:41:22,671

That reminds me almost of like how

Scorsese often has the same people in

:

00:41:22,671 --> 00:41:24,711

the, in these movies over and over again.

:

00:41:24,861 --> 00:41:25,151

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:41:26,141 --> 00:41:27,001

So William Smith.

:

00:41:27,861 --> 00:41:28,841

Darren Dalton.

:

00:41:28,841 --> 00:41:29,841

He plays Randy in this.

:

00:41:29,871 --> 00:41:32,841

He's one of the Socha,

as is William Smith.

:

00:41:32,941 --> 00:41:35,161

So Darren William Smith, c Thomas.

:

00:41:35,181 --> 00:41:35,401

How?

:

00:41:35,401 --> 00:41:41,641

And Patrick Swayze all teamed up

again the year in 84, in Red Dawn

:

00:41:42,071 --> 00:41:43,321

with Emilio's

:

00:41:43,321 --> 00:41:44,521

brother Charlie

:

00:41:44,691 --> 00:41:45,041

Sheen.

:

00:41:45,381 --> 00:41:46,041

See how that's

:

00:41:46,101 --> 00:41:48,911

Kyle: Yeah, it, I think there's a

benefit to doing that too, because

:

00:41:48,911 --> 00:41:51,311

it's like people, like when you have

people that know each other, it's.

:

00:41:52,811 --> 00:41:57,681

Assuming they get along, or even if they

don't, but if they're professional enough

:

00:41:57,681 --> 00:41:59,561

that they can still work together anyways.

:

00:41:59,871 --> 00:42:02,241

Like they know each other,

they can have good chemistry.

:

00:42:02,391 --> 00:42:05,121

you know, they know how to work together

and I think that's a big advantage.

:

00:42:06,336 --> 00:42:06,756

Katie: Agreed.

:

00:42:06,756 --> 00:42:10,796

It's like just, it's, forget

that this is a job for them.

:

00:42:10,906 --> 00:42:11,956

It's sort of like us in

:

00:42:11,981 --> 00:42:12,271

Kyle: Yeah,

:

00:42:12,536 --> 00:42:15,356

Katie: You kind of like work, you get to

know certain people you like to work with.

:

00:42:16,416 --> 00:42:16,796

but yeah.

:

00:42:16,796 --> 00:42:23,666

So Rob Lowe, I'm curious if you've

seen, so goes on, I think in 86,

:

00:42:24,466 --> 00:42:25,426

you seen Youngblood?

:

00:42:25,576 --> 00:42:26,426

It's a hockey movie.

:

00:42:26,861 --> 00:42:27,381

Kyle: I haven't,

:

00:42:28,566 --> 00:42:29,826

Katie: Oh my God, Kyle, it's

:

00:42:29,861 --> 00:42:31,421

Kyle: I, you know, I

have my notepad hearing.

:

00:42:31,601 --> 00:42:32,701

I'm make a note of this here.

:

00:42:32,756 --> 00:42:33,466

Katie: Write it down.

:

00:42:33,856 --> 00:42:37,986

It's a hockey movie and so Rob Lowe

stars in it and Patrick Swayze's in that.

:

00:42:38,046 --> 00:42:39,106

So they're in that together.

:

00:42:40,156 --> 00:42:45,416

Also, And then Rob Lowe

also goes on to Star Emilio

:

00:42:45,696 --> 00:42:47,016

Estevez in St.

:

00:42:47,216 --> 00:42:47,616

Almos Fire.

:

00:42:48,246 --> 00:42:49,336

Kyle: Also never seen No,

:

00:42:51,566 --> 00:42:51,856

Katie: Kyle?

:

00:42:53,176 --> 00:42:54,196

You gotta see it.

:

00:42:54,236 --> 00:42:56,496

Kyle: I'm really coming off

as a kind of a rube here.

:

00:42:56,616 --> 00:42:56,896

I think

:

00:42:57,706 --> 00:42:58,366

Katie: No, no, no, no.

:

00:42:58,516 --> 00:43:00,196

It's it's also got

:

00:43:00,206 --> 00:43:01,076

quite the cast,

:

00:43:01,356 --> 00:43:01,646

Kyle: Okay.

:

00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:03,396

Katie: like all like big names from

:

00:43:03,456 --> 00:43:07,926

Kyle: First Rob Lowe first, time

I can remember seeing Rob Lowe

:

00:43:07,926 --> 00:43:09,446

in a movie was Wayne's World.

:

00:43:11,566 --> 00:43:11,856

Katie: What

:

00:43:12,126 --> 00:43:12,246

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:43:13,036 --> 00:43:14,736

Katie: He was a heartthrob

in the eighties.

:

00:43:14,886 --> 00:43:15,816

Like, so

:

00:43:15,856 --> 00:43:16,206

Kyle: World.

:

00:43:16,206 --> 00:43:16,366

Yeah.

:

00:43:16,386 --> 00:43:16,606

But

:

00:43:17,126 --> 00:43:19,366

probably a lot of these movies

in the eighties didn't interest

:

00:43:19,366 --> 00:43:21,276

me when I was a young kid.

:

00:43:21,826 --> 00:43:23,076

Like I really liked Wayne's World.

:

00:43:23,076 --> 00:43:28,046

Like I liked that SNL kind of comedy

and Rob Lowe was a really great villain.

:

00:43:28,746 --> 00:43:29,766

in the Wayne's World movie.

:

00:43:30,251 --> 00:43:31,861

Katie: That was sort of his comeback.

:

00:43:32,661 --> 00:43:33,461

like that was kind of his

:

00:43:33,461 --> 00:43:33,781

comeback.

:

00:43:33,901 --> 00:43:35,681

'cause he had like a sex tape scandal

:

00:43:35,981 --> 00:43:36,321

Kyle: Oh yeah.

:

00:43:36,321 --> 00:43:38,601

He like had sex with a teenager

or something like that.

:

00:43:38,991 --> 00:43:39,281

Yeah.

:

00:43:40,141 --> 00:43:44,981

Katie: So he kind of went

away from our eyes for a

:

00:43:44,981 --> 00:43:45,141

bit.

:

00:43:45,241 --> 00:43:45,861

But in

:

00:43:45,861 --> 00:43:47,421

the 80, like he's so pretty.

:

00:43:48,001 --> 00:43:48,441

I was drawn

:

00:43:48,541 --> 00:43:48,761

Kyle: oh.

:

00:43:48,831 --> 00:43:51,011

He's he's ridiculously good looking guy.

:

00:43:51,041 --> 00:43:52,081

he's super good looking

:

00:43:52,361 --> 00:43:52,581

Katie: not,

:

00:43:53,081 --> 00:43:55,301

it almost hurts to look.

:

00:43:55,461 --> 00:43:56,311

I mean, he's

:

00:43:56,331 --> 00:43:56,691

Kyle: he is very

:

00:43:56,791 --> 00:43:56,991

Katie: good

:

00:43:57,091 --> 00:43:57,611

Kyle: charismatic too.

:

00:43:58,001 --> 00:43:59,851

Like he seems like a very nice person.

:

00:44:00,691 --> 00:44:03,701

I don't know if he's an asshole

or not, but like he comes

:

00:44:03,701 --> 00:44:05,061

across as a really nice person.

:

00:44:05,811 --> 00:44:06,951

Katie: He has a couple podcasts.

:

00:44:06,951 --> 00:44:08,111

and He was also in Parks and Rec.

:

00:44:08,261 --> 00:44:08,551

Kyle: yeah.

:

00:44:08,651 --> 00:44:09,071

Katie: Did you watch

:

00:44:09,211 --> 00:44:09,671

Kyle: Oh yeah.

:

00:44:09,821 --> 00:44:10,551

Yeah, for sure.

:

00:44:11,471 --> 00:44:15,411

so yeah, he could, and that guy could

slay for sure, if you know what I mean.

:

00:44:15,756 --> 00:44:16,176

Katie: indeed.

:

00:44:18,556 --> 00:44:18,776

Yes.

:

00:44:18,916 --> 00:44:20,656

So he plays soda pop.

:

00:44:21,166 --> 00:44:21,456

Okay.

:

00:44:21,556 --> 00:44:25,596

So I'm, I gotta say when I re-watched

this, I, it took me a minute.

:

00:44:25,866 --> 00:44:29,316

There's so many characters and

their names are kind of similar

:

00:44:30,396 --> 00:44:32,596

I find it a little hard to

keep everybody straight.

:

00:44:33,221 --> 00:44:34,191

Kyle: yeah, same here.

:

00:44:34,276 --> 00:44:36,686

Katie: pony boy and soda

pop and dairy and Dally

:

00:44:36,851 --> 00:44:39,251

Kyle: I was worried about that

when I was watching it this morning

:

00:44:39,691 --> 00:44:42,651

'cause I haven't actually seen

that movie since the late nineties.

:

00:44:43,971 --> 00:44:44,321

Right.

:

00:44:44,461 --> 00:44:45,441

So I'm like,

:

00:44:45,626 --> 00:44:45,986

Katie: probably same.

:

00:44:46,021 --> 00:44:48,641

Kyle: I'm like, shit, I gotta watch this

again or else I'm not gonna really know

:

00:44:48,641 --> 00:44:49,881

what I'm talking about in the podcast.

:

00:44:50,221 --> 00:44:56,131

And I had the cast list up on my phone and

I was really trying to get an inventory

:

00:44:56,191 --> 00:45:00,051

of what all the characters' names are

on before I came on today, , because

:

00:45:00,111 --> 00:45:03,731

I'm like, you know that guy, you know,

with the leather jacket, he wears jeans

:

00:45:04,351 --> 00:45:05,761

and his hair is greased back.

:

00:45:07,771 --> 00:45:08,151

Katie: One of

:

00:45:08,211 --> 00:45:08,431

six

:

00:45:08,431 --> 00:45:09,121

Kyle: Yeah, exactly.

:

00:45:09,391 --> 00:45:10,441

They get lots of fights.

:

00:45:10,701 --> 00:45:11,441

you know that guy,

:

00:45:11,911 --> 00:45:13,121

they, he smokes,

:

00:45:13,381 --> 00:45:13,881

Katie: Oh my God.

:

00:45:13,881 --> 00:45:14,161

Yeah.

:

00:45:14,161 --> 00:45:15,761

This, there's a lot of smoking in this.

:

00:45:16,901 --> 00:45:17,411

let's see.

:

00:45:18,491 --> 00:45:19,211

Estevez plays

:

00:45:19,891 --> 00:45:20,181

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:45:20,201 --> 00:45:20,661

Too bit.

:

00:45:20,811 --> 00:45:21,451

Katie: the names are just

:

00:45:21,641 --> 00:45:21,931

Kyle: Okay.

:

00:45:21,971 --> 00:45:22,811

I gotta tell you this though.

:

00:45:22,971 --> 00:45:23,991

I knew this woman,

:

00:45:24,331 --> 00:45:29,771

she married a guy, from Canada and

he took her up here, but he, she's

:

00:45:29,771 --> 00:45:31,371

from like Appalachia, Kentucky,

:

00:45:32,671 --> 00:45:32,961

Katie: Okay.

:

00:45:33,131 --> 00:45:35,891

Kyle: she was telling me like her

mom was like a special ed teacher

:

00:45:36,431 --> 00:45:39,771

and she was saying it was like

kind of normal for these kids

:

00:45:39,771 --> 00:45:41,731

to have like really weird names.

:

00:45:42,201 --> 00:45:45,451

Like named after like

cocktails, and stuff like that.

:

00:45:46,571 --> 00:45:46,991

.

Katie: Really?

:

00:45:47,121 --> 00:45:47,411

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:45:48,231 --> 00:45:48,451

So,

:

00:45:48,601 --> 00:45:50,091

Katie: Well this was set in

:

00:45:50,311 --> 00:45:51,561

Kyle: exactly, exactly.

:

00:45:52,041 --> 00:45:53,801

I actually have family in Oklahoma too.

:

00:45:54,041 --> 00:45:57,381

I have a lot of, yeah, I have a, like

a, I dunno if I told you this, but like

:

00:45:57,401 --> 00:46:00,021

my dad's family is basically American,

:

00:46:01,086 --> 00:46:01,376

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:46:01,481 --> 00:46:04,541

Kyle: and so half his siblings

are born in the US so some of his

:

00:46:04,741 --> 00:46:09,591

siblings live there still, and one

moved to Oklahoma in the seventies.

:

00:46:09,886 --> 00:46:12,406

So she's fully not Canadian anymore.

:

00:46:12,476 --> 00:46:15,086

Like she talks like this and she's in the.

:

00:46:15,771 --> 00:46:18,241

She's in the Daughters of

the American Revolution.

:

00:46:18,951 --> 00:46:19,961

Like the DAR?

:

00:46:20,061 --> 00:46:20,461

Katie: that still

:

00:46:20,621 --> 00:46:21,641

Kyle: Yes, I guess so.

:

00:46:23,471 --> 00:46:27,481

because our ancestors came off the

Mayflower, like my dad's mom's from Maine,

:

00:46:27,481 --> 00:46:28,881

so they've been in New England forever.

:

00:46:29,861 --> 00:46:35,821

but anyway, yeah, like they're, I hear,

I see your stories about Oklahoma fairly

:

00:46:35,831 --> 00:46:39,941

often and I did find it kind of an odd

setting for this film, to be honest.

:

00:46:39,971 --> 00:46:42,381

Like when you think of greasers,

you don't think of Oklahoma.

:

00:46:43,731 --> 00:46:44,821

Katie: Yeah, I agree.

:

00:46:45,021 --> 00:46:45,861

I had forgotten.

:

00:46:47,296 --> 00:46:47,706

that it

:

00:46:47,706 --> 00:46:48,466

was set in Oklahoma.

:

00:46:48,646 --> 00:46:49,386

In what, what,

:

00:46:49,586 --> 00:46:50,266

:

:

00:46:50,386 --> 00:46:51,221

I Something

:

00:46:51,286 --> 00:46:54,606

Kyle: a license plate that

said 66 at the gas station, so

:

00:46:54,606 --> 00:46:55,806

that's the year I used for it.

:

00:46:55,826 --> 00:46:56,046

But.

:

00:46:57,141 --> 00:46:57,431

Katie: Okay.

:

00:46:58,981 --> 00:46:59,271

Yeah.

:

00:46:59,421 --> 00:46:59,711

Yeah.

:

00:46:59,781 --> 00:47:01,921

That tracks, let's see, where were we?

:

00:47:02,031 --> 00:47:03,961

Castros Tom Cruise in this as well.

:

00:47:04,141 --> 00:47:05,161

He plays Steve.

:

00:47:06,371 --> 00:47:07,911

And then the,

:

00:47:08,731 --> 00:47:10,631

so those are all the greasers.

:

00:47:11,251 --> 00:47:11,541

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:47:12,321 --> 00:47:19,291

Katie: Then the SOEs, we have Glen

Withrow playing Tim Diane Lane, who

:

00:47:20,231 --> 00:47:21,811

is absolutely

:

00:47:22,711 --> 00:47:23,331

Kyle: Oh yeah,

:

00:47:23,671 --> 00:47:23,891

Katie: in

:

00:47:24,121 --> 00:47:24,971

Kyle: yeah, for sure.

:

00:47:26,241 --> 00:47:31,341

Katie: She plays Cherry Leaf,

Garrett plays Bob, as I mentioned,

:

00:47:31,341 --> 00:47:32,701

Darren Dalton plays Randy.

:

00:47:34,151 --> 00:47:34,441

Yeah.

:

00:47:34,581 --> 00:47:38,681

So for those of you who, like Kyle,

haven't seen this in a long time,

:

00:47:39,061 --> 00:47:40,241

or maybe you've never seen it.

:

00:47:41,611 --> 00:47:46,851

it's an adaptation of the

:

:

00:47:47,691 --> 00:47:49,371

a coming of age crime, drama set.

:

00:47:49,511 --> 00:47:50,211

It says set.

:

00:47:50,211 --> 00:47:51,291

in:

:

00:47:52,471 --> 00:47:53,931

Kyle: You know, maybe the 66

:

00:47:54,131 --> 00:47:54,371

Katie: Oklahoma.

:

00:47:54,491 --> 00:47:57,051

Kyle: the expiry of the

registration on the plate.

:

00:47:57,051 --> 00:47:57,291

Right?

:

00:47:57,431 --> 00:47:59,131

So it'd be prior to 66.

:

00:47:59,241 --> 00:48:01,701

Katie: I mean, but it could also be

:

00:48:01,741 --> 00:48:02,341

a film flub.

:

00:48:02,461 --> 00:48:04,461

'cause it wasn't filmed

until the eighties,

:

00:48:04,821 --> 00:48:08,621

Kyle: Yeah, but it's you know, usually you

get a sticker that goes to the next year.

:

00:48:08,761 --> 00:48:11,061

So actually having 66 in

there does make sense.

:

00:48:12,191 --> 00:48:12,481

Katie: Okay.

:

00:48:13,231 --> 00:48:14,831

Kyle: although this wouldn't

have been stickers back then.

:

00:48:14,851 --> 00:48:16,391

You used to get a new plate every time

:

00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:18,331

back in the day.

:

00:48:18,461 --> 00:48:18,921

Katie: Oh yeah.

:

00:48:19,141 --> 00:48:19,841

Oh my gosh.

:

00:48:20,701 --> 00:48:21,441

that's nuts.

:

00:48:23,861 --> 00:48:25,981

of age crime drama set in:

:

00:48:26,691 --> 00:48:26,811

Kyle: I,

:

00:48:27,886 --> 00:48:31,746

Katie: The rivalry between two

gangs, the Poor Greasers, and the

:

00:48:31,746 --> 00:48:37,066

Rich only heats up when one gang

member kills a member of the other.

:

00:48:38,406 --> 00:48:42,266

It made 34 million on a $10 million

:

00:48:42,266 --> 00:48:42,546

budget.

:

00:48:42,566 --> 00:48:43,186

That's a pretty

:

00:48:43,186 --> 00:48:43,986

low budget actually.

:

00:48:44,461 --> 00:48:44,751

Kyle: yeah.

:

00:48:45,331 --> 00:48:50,671

Now, our favorite film, Rocky,

which, was made before Outsiders.

:

00:48:51,286 --> 00:48:54,811

So there's inflation to take into

account, had a million dollar budget,

:

00:48:54,911 --> 00:48:57,211

so that's a much more extreme example.

:

00:48:57,696 --> 00:48:57,916

Katie: Yes.

:

00:48:58,496 --> 00:48:59,716

It was like an indie movie

:

00:48:59,751 --> 00:49:00,361

Kyle: Yeah, true.

:

00:49:00,611 --> 00:49:04,281

We'll say it's the equivalent of

ay, one and a half million by:

:

00:49:04,501 --> 00:49:06,241

if you take it to account

inflation or whatever.

:

00:49:06,781 --> 00:49:11,041

So, but yeah, I think 10 still,

for the cast you got, they really

:

00:49:11,101 --> 00:49:12,361

got the bang for their buck.

:

00:49:13,586 --> 00:49:14,006

Katie: Indeed.

:

00:49:14,846 --> 00:49:15,086

bang.

:

00:49:15,146 --> 00:49:17,846

And yeah, Coppola is, I mean, I.

:

00:49:18,576 --> 00:49:20,416

this time, like he's a huge name.

:

00:49:21,176 --> 00:49:23,276

the God he had done, both of the

:

00:49:23,471 --> 00:49:23,761

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:49:25,856 --> 00:49:26,796

Katie: do you have overall

:

00:49:26,796 --> 00:49:29,316

impressions of the

outsiders or favorite scenes

:

00:49:29,496 --> 00:49:29,716

or

:

00:49:29,791 --> 00:49:30,291

Kyle: Oh yeah.

:

00:49:30,596 --> 00:49:31,996

Katie: memories watching it as a kid?

:

00:49:32,571 --> 00:49:32,861

Kyle: Okay.

:

00:49:32,921 --> 00:49:39,551

So I remember more of my feelings

about the movie as a, because I

:

00:49:39,551 --> 00:49:40,671

watched it as a young teenager.

:

00:49:41,876 --> 00:49:45,961

So I would've been like a year or two

younger than, pony Boy at the time.

:

00:49:46,231 --> 00:49:47,681

Pony Boy was 14 in the film.

:

00:49:47,761 --> 00:49:51,001

I don't know how old the Charact

the actual actor was, but, so

:

00:49:51,356 --> 00:49:51,646

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:49:51,646 --> 00:49:52,206

He was 14.

:

00:49:52,271 --> 00:49:54,871

Kyle: I remember thinking that

the greasers were really cool.

:

00:49:56,111 --> 00:49:57,201

It's like a poor kid.

:

00:49:57,361 --> 00:50:01,481

I definitely identified with the

greasers much more than the SOAs.

:

00:50:02,361 --> 00:50:03,771

So I thought they were just the coolest.

:

00:50:04,811 --> 00:50:08,371

I thought the soss were just

these assholes that, you know,

:

00:50:08,371 --> 00:50:09,531

picked fights for no reason.

:

00:50:09,951 --> 00:50:13,351

And you know, they had the

big rumble at the end at one.

:

00:50:13,351 --> 00:50:13,791

That's great.

:

00:50:14,171 --> 00:50:17,881

and so, but I don't remember

a, I didn't remember a ton

:

00:50:17,881 --> 00:50:19,401

of the detail about the film.

:

00:50:20,021 --> 00:50:24,481

And so what I'm watching it now as an

adult and just watching, first of all, I

:

00:50:24,481 --> 00:50:29,761

love, I'm a huge nostalgia sucker, even

like nostalgia for a time that I wasn't,

:

00:50:29,941 --> 00:50:31,441

if I'm not around in it especially.

:

00:50:31,941 --> 00:50:33,641

So it's I love the sixties.

:

00:50:34,021 --> 00:50:35,161

I'm not a big fan of the fifties.

:

00:50:36,196 --> 00:50:39,606

Like the sixties and seventies

are very interesting to me.

:

00:50:41,056 --> 00:50:46,226

And so something set in the sixties,

catches my eye like the cars or like

:

00:50:46,226 --> 00:50:50,586

they go to the old looking Dairy queen or

just the clothes or the drive-in movie.

:

00:50:51,746 --> 00:50:53,026

I loved the drive-in as a kid.

:

00:50:53,366 --> 00:50:57,106

It reminded me it was just like the

drive-in I went to as a kid basically.

:

00:50:58,096 --> 00:51:02,276

so stuff like that, that I had a very good

impression, of the film just that way.

:

00:51:02,316 --> 00:51:05,036

I thought it was produced fairly

well, especially for the eighties.

:

00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:11,836

but what surprised me about the movie

that, that I didn't take as a kid is just

:

00:51:11,976 --> 00:51:14,156

how I didn't like most of the characters.

:

00:51:16,156 --> 00:51:19,086

, like even the greasers, I,

there's like a lot of them.

:

00:51:19,326 --> 00:51:21,086

I like Dallas, the Dallas character.

:

00:51:21,206 --> 00:51:24,766

I really didn't like him watching

it right now, but I think me as a

:

00:51:24,966 --> 00:51:26,126

teenager thought he'd be really cool.

:

00:51:27,786 --> 00:51:30,046

I'm like, holy cow, is

this guy ever an asshole?

:

00:51:30,146 --> 00:51:33,566

Or just the way people were

always fighting and doing stupid

:

00:51:33,566 --> 00:51:35,526

stuff like this rowdy horseplay.

:

00:51:36,486 --> 00:51:40,346

I was just like, I found

it a little over the top

:

00:51:41,951 --> 00:51:44,491

Katie: the character

bit specifically Dallas.

:

00:51:47,896 --> 00:51:50,276

So he is super obnoxious.

:

00:51:50,306 --> 00:51:50,916

It's like him

:

00:51:50,976 --> 00:51:52,536

and, let's see, who's the other one?

:

00:51:52,796 --> 00:51:53,616

Kyle: two bits a bit.

:

00:51:53,726 --> 00:51:54,246

Katie: Tbit are being

:

00:51:54,366 --> 00:51:54,656

Kyle: yeah,

:

00:51:55,106 --> 00:52:00,766

Katie: at the drive-in to the girls, and

all drunk and obnoxious and like the way

:

00:52:00,766 --> 00:52:02,606

that they're acting towards the girls.

:

00:52:02,796 --> 00:52:07,166

Like as a woman, I'm like, oh my God,

I would've been so uncomfortable.

:

00:52:08,106 --> 00:52:09,166

So I hear what you're saying.

:

00:52:09,186 --> 00:52:15,206

But I do think as a

character study, he, so they

:

00:52:15,206 --> 00:52:16,526

all have like a total shit

:

00:52:16,526 --> 00:52:17,456

home life, all

:

00:52:17,576 --> 00:52:17,866

Kyle: yeah.

:

00:52:18,086 --> 00:52:18,426

Of course.

:

00:52:18,806 --> 00:52:19,146

Of course.

:

00:52:19,556 --> 00:52:23,656

Katie: And he has apparently

been to jail before because

:

00:52:23,836 --> 00:52:25,456

he says it makes you meaner.

:

00:52:25,956 --> 00:52:26,696

So I wonder if

:

00:52:26,876 --> 00:52:27,926

Kyle: Yeah, maybe something

:

00:52:28,036 --> 00:52:28,456

Katie: that's

:

00:52:28,526 --> 00:52:28,886

Kyle: in there.

:

00:52:29,206 --> 00:52:33,246

'cause he's a tough guy on the

street, with these 15 year olds.

:

00:52:33,306 --> 00:52:34,606

But you know, if he's in,

:

00:52:35,266 --> 00:52:39,936

if he's in jail with men, he's probably

on the bottom of the totem pole

:

00:52:39,936 --> 00:52:40,976

and you know what that might mean.

:

00:52:40,976 --> 00:52:41,216

Right.

:

00:52:41,876 --> 00:52:43,966

also it's interesting, they

don't talk about this a lot, but

:

00:52:43,966 --> 00:52:45,886

he's a transplant from New York

:

00:52:46,738 --> 00:52:46,958

Katie: Oh,

:

00:52:46,963 --> 00:52:49,823

Kyle: he has the New York accent

and then he's like, I thought

:

00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:50,863

like when,

:

00:52:50,973 --> 00:52:56,233

pony Boy and, Johnny after the murder

incident come to that bar or wherever

:

00:52:56,233 --> 00:53:02,283

it is for Dallas's help Dallas see's

quite gracious and helps them out.

:

00:53:02,283 --> 00:53:03,813

And he says I thought it'd be in New York.

:

00:53:03,953 --> 00:53:05,293

I'd get caught in a murder rap.

:

00:53:05,323 --> 00:53:07,573

Like he never thought it

would happen to me here.

:

00:53:07,583 --> 00:53:07,933

Right.

:

00:53:09,208 --> 00:53:09,908

He is the only one.

:

00:53:10,148 --> 00:53:14,468

'cause everyone else kind of speaks with

a bit of an Oklahoma accent, although,

:

00:53:14,668 --> 00:53:18,998

albeit not that convincingly, like the

people, like my family from Oklahoma

:

00:53:19,148 --> 00:53:21,638

doesn't speaks more with more twang.

:

00:53:21,638 --> 00:53:24,718

And they're from like Oklahoma City,

which is bigger than and so it's but

:

00:53:24,718 --> 00:53:29,118

he's like the Jenny as this really

over the top New York accent, you know,

:

00:53:30,463 --> 00:53:34,873

Katie: Yeah, he does, all

particular scene actually.

:

00:53:36,493 --> 00:53:38,113

so I'm very curious what he does.

:

00:53:38,183 --> 00:53:39,073

What Dallas?

:

00:53:40,443 --> 00:53:40,793

Dally.

:

00:53:41,183 --> 00:53:42,193

He's referred to as both.

:

00:53:42,613 --> 00:53:44,233

And I always confuse that with dairy.

:

00:53:44,468 --> 00:53:44,758

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:53:44,758 --> 00:53:46,438

So I said Johnny, but

I meant Dallas earlier.

:

00:53:46,588 --> 00:53:46,878

Yeah.

:

00:53:47,268 --> 00:53:49,318

What he does for a living,

like how do they get money,

:

00:53:50,493 --> 00:53:50,783

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:53:50,903 --> 00:53:52,063

'cause he gave him 50

:

00:53:52,138 --> 00:53:53,568

Kyle: which I it's about every,

:

00:53:54,158 --> 00:53:55,408

it's nice with inflation.

:

00:53:55,638 --> 00:53:58,308

It's basically 10 to one when I looked up.

:

00:53:58,418 --> 00:53:58,708

Yeah.

:

00:53:58,728 --> 00:53:59,468

So you gave him like.

:

00:54:01,043 --> 00:54:03,143

And he had it in cash with him,

:

00:54:03,743 --> 00:54:04,033

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:54:04,123 --> 00:54:05,953

Kyle: which seems a little bit outrageous,

:

00:54:07,303 --> 00:54:09,883

so I'm guessing he, he

does crime for a living.

:

00:54:10,223 --> 00:54:13,523

He sells drugs or he steals,

or, you know what I mean?

:

00:54:13,523 --> 00:54:15,363

he doesn't seem like

a day job kind of guy.

:

00:54:16,023 --> 00:54:16,373

Where,

:

00:54:16,673 --> 00:54:17,073

Katie: that's true.

:

00:54:17,113 --> 00:54:18,643

Kyle: Patrick Swayze and,

:

00:54:19,543 --> 00:54:22,843

the other guy, I think Tom Cruise's

character, they work at like the

:

00:54:22,863 --> 00:54:24,123

gas station or something, right?

:

00:54:24,313 --> 00:54:24,843

Like they,

:

00:54:25,488 --> 00:54:27,338

Katie: Well, Rob Lowe and Tom Cruise.

:

00:54:29,048 --> 00:54:33,638

So let's see, that would be

soda pop and Steve, they work at

:

00:54:33,653 --> 00:54:33,943

Kyle: Okay.

:

00:54:33,943 --> 00:54:34,583

Yeah, that's right.

:

00:54:34,678 --> 00:54:35,168

Katie: Patrick,

:

00:54:35,418 --> 00:54:35,768

Dairy.

:

00:54:36,128 --> 00:54:37,448

I think he's like a roofer or

:

00:54:37,563 --> 00:54:37,853

Kyle: Okay.

:

00:54:37,928 --> 00:54:38,048

Katie: has

:

00:54:38,098 --> 00:54:38,638

Kyle: Oh, that's right.

:

00:54:38,638 --> 00:54:39,838

They do say it's construction.

:

00:54:40,728 --> 00:54:41,018

Yeah.

:

00:54:41,018 --> 00:54:42,178

they did say that because

:

00:54:42,458 --> 00:54:44,538

he, when Pony Boy was

talking with the two girls,

:

00:54:45,278 --> 00:54:47,338

he talked about how he's

big and does construction,

:

00:54:48,678 --> 00:54:51,578

Katie: yeah, So he, you're right,

I think it is, his job is crime.

:

00:54:51,998 --> 00:54:54,298

But I just, I was, that's a

:

00:54:54,298 --> 00:54:56,818

lot of money just to have

and give to these kids

:

00:54:57,338 --> 00:54:58,638

Kyle: You know what I think too,

:

00:54:58,948 --> 00:55:00,308

Katie: them on their

way to get outta town.

:

00:55:00,378 --> 00:55:05,308

Kyle: when you don't have anything to,

I think it's like sometimes easier to

:

00:55:05,308 --> 00:55:11,878

give is counterintuitive as that may

seem like you just, money's when you live

:

00:55:11,878 --> 00:55:13,798

hand to mouth, money comes, money goes.

:

00:55:15,028 --> 00:55:17,188

don't have a mentality

of saving for the future

:

00:55:17,728 --> 00:55:19,028

or stuff like that.

:

00:55:19,168 --> 00:55:22,338

So it's just and he probably feels

good being the hero to some degree,

:

00:55:22,578 --> 00:55:25,778

although he doesn't seem to have, like,

he seems to be mad at the world, right?

:

00:55:25,848 --> 00:55:30,378

Like he, he's mean to those

kids and he's mean to the women.

:

00:55:30,638 --> 00:55:34,138

But like you were saying before, all

these guys came from broken homes.

:

00:55:34,288 --> 00:55:37,498

Like you see that when Johnny's trying

to come home and you see the parents

:

00:55:37,818 --> 00:55:38,858

fighting like their silhouette.

:

00:55:39,128 --> 00:55:43,028

In the window and, all the other

guys make comments like, you know,

:

00:55:43,028 --> 00:55:44,308

their families are like that too.

:

00:55:44,568 --> 00:55:48,468

And, the Curtis family, of course,

doesn't have parents anymore.

:

00:55:49,198 --> 00:55:50,648

Like they're basically a family.

:

00:55:51,878 --> 00:55:54,128

Like they, they have each other because

:

00:55:54,148 --> 00:55:54,958

Katie: They're gang.

:

00:55:55,028 --> 00:55:55,318

Yeah.

:

00:55:55,588 --> 00:55:56,958

It's kind of endearing and

:

00:55:57,008 --> 00:55:59,808

Kyle: I don't think soda

pop really fits in there.

:

00:56:00,028 --> 00:56:01,168

It doesn't really belong.

:

00:56:01,828 --> 00:56:02,518

Same with Johnny.

:

00:56:02,588 --> 00:56:05,038

Like they're kind of, and the

girls notice that too, right?

:

00:56:05,038 --> 00:56:07,868

Like the drive-in, they notice like,

they're not like those other guys.

:

00:56:08,468 --> 00:56:10,108

it seems like soda pop and,

:

00:56:11,208 --> 00:56:12,328

I think I said soda pop earlier.

:

00:56:12,448 --> 00:56:14,828

I mean, Johnny and pony boy

are don't really belong.

:

00:56:14,953 --> 00:56:15,243

Katie: Pony

:

00:56:15,408 --> 00:56:16,058

They're nicer

:

00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:18,543

Kyle: yeah, they're nicer maybe

'cause they're younger, but

:

00:56:18,808 --> 00:56:19,498

Katie: they're younger.

:

00:56:19,643 --> 00:56:25,013

Kyle: TBIT and Dallas and Soda

Pop, they all kind of seem to,

:

00:56:26,633 --> 00:56:28,023

you know, be of that lifestyle.

:

00:56:28,023 --> 00:56:28,863

Like the tough guy.

:

00:56:29,463 --> 00:56:29,583

I.

:

00:56:30,418 --> 00:56:32,028

jerk to everyone type of thing.

:

00:56:32,248 --> 00:56:37,108

And it's I wonder if Pony Boy and Johnny,

they just kind of have to go along with

:

00:56:37,108 --> 00:56:38,968

it because what other option do you have?

:

00:56:38,968 --> 00:56:39,288

Right?

:

00:56:40,958 --> 00:56:41,248

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,808

It's their family, like you said.

:

00:56:44,238 --> 00:56:44,528

Yeah.

:

00:56:45,288 --> 00:56:48,048

did take like especially, yeah.

:

00:56:48,108 --> 00:56:48,968

Johnny, is it?

:

00:56:49,078 --> 00:56:49,368

Yeah.

:

00:56:50,558 --> 00:56:56,458

He's gone for like a week and

his parents don't care, like

:

00:56:56,458 --> 00:56:56,778

at all.

:

00:56:56,778 --> 00:56:58,578

They don't wonder where he's been.

:

00:56:59,668 --> 00:56:59,958

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:57:00,068 --> 00:57:01,238

Like his parents are probably,

:

00:57:01,298 --> 00:57:01,818

Katie: the other boys

:

00:57:01,988 --> 00:57:02,278

Kyle: yeah.

:

00:57:03,618 --> 00:57:03,908

Yeah.

:

00:57:03,908 --> 00:57:07,928

Well, some of them like I

think, yeah, you're right.

:

00:57:08,158 --> 00:57:08,448

Yeah.

:

00:57:08,488 --> 00:57:09,928

I don't know, like a two bit.

:

00:57:09,988 --> 00:57:10,728

The sea of parents

:

00:57:11,198 --> 00:57:15,488

Katie: Well, we don't

know about, uh, uh, or

:

00:57:16,718 --> 00:57:17,008

Tobe.

:

00:57:17,028 --> 00:57:18,768

We don't know what their situation is.

:

00:57:18,788 --> 00:57:19,608

We could just kind of

:

00:57:19,808 --> 00:57:20,098

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:57:20,328 --> 00:57:20,688

Katie: not great.

:

00:57:21,548 --> 00:57:27,988

But, so the Curtis brothers and the

oldest one, did see that Patrick

:

00:57:28,348 --> 00:57:32,998

Swayze was 29 in this movie, but he's

:

00:57:32,998 --> 00:57:34,238

playing a 20 year old.

:

00:57:34,378 --> 00:57:35,798

His character is 20.

:

00:57:36,168 --> 00:57:36,458

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:57:36,778 --> 00:57:38,198

Katie: So he's like supporting

:

00:57:38,968 --> 00:57:41,238

these, you know, like a

whole family at the age of

:

00:57:41,298 --> 00:57:41,588

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:57:41,728 --> 00:57:45,968

That's, in they make it clear

that if social services ever found

:

00:57:45,988 --> 00:57:48,348

out, they pull a plug on that.

:

00:57:49,313 --> 00:57:51,393

they want to avoid going to a boys' home.

:

00:57:51,413 --> 00:57:53,683

But yeah, like it's, they

kind of have to be together.

:

00:57:53,683 --> 00:57:54,843

They kind of have to be a family.

:

00:57:54,863 --> 00:57:59,513

And so when he gives him the 500 bucks,

it kind of makes sense 'cause you're, it's

:

00:57:59,513 --> 00:58:00,953

not like you're helping some random guy.

:

00:58:01,773 --> 00:58:02,553

It is weird though.

:

00:58:02,553 --> 00:58:06,553

Dallas does have a family, 'cause

he talks about his dad, but he

:

00:58:06,553 --> 00:58:09,313

tell, he, he likewise talks about

how his dad doesn't care about him.

:

00:58:10,283 --> 00:58:13,173

Like when they're at the car, the

Dairy Queen, he's like, you think my

:

00:58:13,173 --> 00:58:14,893

old man gives a shit about where I am?

:

00:58:14,963 --> 00:58:15,493

Like, no.

:

00:58:17,423 --> 00:58:18,683

But yeah, I don't know.

:

00:58:18,913 --> 00:58:23,163

It's, I've seen a little bit of that

when I grew up, like people whose

:

00:58:23,163 --> 00:58:27,063

parents just didn't give a shit or

their, you know, their parents are

:

00:58:27,063 --> 00:58:30,903

like alcoholics or like whatever, like

they have their own problems and they

:

00:58:30,903 --> 00:58:31,983

can't really cope with having kids.

:

00:58:32,123 --> 00:58:37,133

So kids just kind of come and

go as they please and, you know,

:

00:58:37,493 --> 00:58:38,493

just made for trouble.

:

00:58:41,038 --> 00:58:41,238

Katie: Survival.

:

00:58:41,553 --> 00:58:41,843

Kyle: Yeah.

:

00:58:42,248 --> 00:58:42,538

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:58:42,538 --> 00:58:43,338

That's so sad.

:

00:58:43,688 --> 00:58:43,978

Yeah.

:

00:58:44,158 --> 00:58:48,898

But like I did find that I did really

like that the boys, despite this

:

00:58:48,908 --> 00:58:56,208

weird, it's a, so the whole movie

is this major like class between the

:

00:58:56,208 --> 00:59:01,008

greasers and the sos and it's just

like as that's the way that it is.

:

00:59:01,718 --> 00:59:09,148

Like Cherry and pony boy seem to be

friends, but they can't be friends,

:

00:59:09,248 --> 00:59:09,788

in public

:

00:59:10,088 --> 00:59:10,308

Kyle: Yes.

:

00:59:10,308 --> 00:59:11,508

Like she even says to him

:

00:59:11,858 --> 00:59:14,958

like, don't take it personally if

I don't say hello to you at school.

:

00:59:16,268 --> 00:59:16,558

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:59:17,098 --> 00:59:17,448

Kyle: Right.

:

00:59:17,548 --> 00:59:18,128

And it's

:

00:59:18,148 --> 00:59:18,548

Katie: the way it is.

:

00:59:18,648 --> 00:59:19,688

Kyle: employee's yeah, I understand.

:

00:59:20,028 --> 00:59:20,568

But it's

:

00:59:20,618 --> 00:59:20,908

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:59:21,118 --> 00:59:23,868

Kyle: I personally would

take it personal because,

:

00:59:24,118 --> 00:59:24,398

Katie: I know.

:

00:59:24,458 --> 00:59:28,038

But I think it's just showing us

that's the world where it's such a

:

00:59:28,768 --> 00:59:31,598

class matters so much in this world that

:

00:59:31,758 --> 00:59:33,318

Kyle: it's really a fictional world too.

:

00:59:33,378 --> 00:59:39,218

And I'm not saying class doesn't exist,

but it's really an oversimplified class.

:

00:59:39,538 --> 00:59:43,698

'cause you have these greasers who

are destitute, essentially coming

:

00:59:43,698 --> 00:59:46,418

from broken home, wrong side of

the track, which totally exists.

:

00:59:46,838 --> 00:59:50,408

And you have these socials

who seem incredibly wealthy.

:

00:59:50,518 --> 00:59:53,608

They all have nice cars that

they're driving around that

:

00:59:54,288 --> 00:59:54,638

Katie: Super

:

00:59:54,718 --> 00:59:58,198

Kyle: they're driving Mustangs and these

other cars, they have really nice clothes,

:

00:59:58,468 --> 00:59:59,038

lots of money,

:

00:59:59,288 --> 01:00:00,258

expensive jewelry.

:

01:00:01,028 --> 01:00:02,018

Those exist too.

:

01:00:03,218 --> 01:00:06,288

Those are really the outliers

of most societies, right?

:

01:00:06,678 --> 01:00:07,128

It's like

:

01:00:07,168 --> 01:00:07,448

Katie: point.

:

01:00:07,668 --> 01:00:11,288

Kyle: the middle class, the middle kids,

which apparently the middle class was

:

01:00:11,288 --> 01:00:13,248

much bigger in the sixties than it is now.

:

01:00:13,568 --> 01:00:14,618

doesn't seem to exist.

:

01:00:16,678 --> 01:00:17,458

Katie: That's a really

:

01:00:17,458 --> 01:00:17,978

good point.

:

01:00:18,648 --> 01:00:18,938

Yeah.

:

01:00:18,998 --> 01:00:19,348

where

:

01:00:19,478 --> 01:00:19,768

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:00:20,048 --> 01:00:20,388

Katie: in this

:

01:00:20,808 --> 01:00:21,498

Kyle: Like that.

:

01:00:21,598 --> 01:00:23,598

And also it's is Tulsa like that?

:

01:00:23,798 --> 01:00:24,318

I don't know.

:

01:00:25,058 --> 01:00:28,638

But like for instance, if you

think of a city where you have

:

01:00:28,658 --> 01:00:32,598

really high class people butting up

against low class people, I think

:

01:00:32,598 --> 01:00:37,338

of somewhere like Boston where you

have a lot of hoity-toity old money

:

01:00:38,618 --> 01:00:39,268

type of people.

:

01:00:39,768 --> 01:00:44,318

And then not too far by, it's like you

have like southie, like kind of the

:

01:00:44,318 --> 01:00:45,918

goodwill hunting type of neighborhood.

:

01:00:46,428 --> 01:00:46,648

Katie: Yep.

:

01:00:46,948 --> 01:00:49,728

Kyle: see this movie taking

place in a place like Boston

:

01:00:49,998 --> 01:00:51,288

more than a place like Tulsa.

:

01:00:52,311 --> 01:00:52,601

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:00:52,781 --> 01:00:55,121

I'm, there's less movies about it.

:

01:00:55,341 --> 01:00:57,701

I feel like there's more, know, like

:

01:00:57,761 --> 01:01:00,701

pop culture around kind of the

northeast, like your Boston

:

01:01:00,976 --> 01:01:01,266

Kyle: Yeah,

:

01:01:01,731 --> 01:01:02,421

Katie: with the class.

:

01:01:02,761 --> 01:01:06,501

but I think, I was just trying to

look, it looks like, so the author of

:

01:01:06,501 --> 01:01:08,861

this, I feel like I read somewhere.

:

01:01:09,841 --> 01:01:11,501

She based this on some people

:

01:01:11,681 --> 01:01:14,501

she knew, or she grew up in Oklahoma.

:

01:01:14,746 --> 01:01:15,036

Kyle: sure.

:

01:01:15,041 --> 01:01:17,541

Katie: So she, she

began writing the novel.

:

01:01:18,676 --> 01:01:21,726

when she was only 15,

finished it when she was

:

01:01:21,726 --> 01:01:24,606

16 and the book was

published when she was 17.

:

01:01:24,866 --> 01:01:25,086

Kyle: Wow.

:

01:01:25,396 --> 01:01:27,046

What an accomplishment to write.

:

01:01:27,306 --> 01:01:30,446

And it's like a book that people

basically have to study in school.

:

01:01:30,686 --> 01:01:32,166

I don't know what now, but you know.

:

01:01:33,376 --> 01:01:34,976

Katie: I did, I like, I

:

01:01:35,196 --> 01:01:37,976

we read this in like sixth

grade or grade six for,

:

01:01:37,986 --> 01:01:38,726

Kyle: For Canadians,

:

01:01:39,466 --> 01:01:39,686

Katie: for,

:

01:01:39,886 --> 01:01:40,206

Canadians.

:

01:01:40,646 --> 01:01:42,836

Probably Europeans too

everywhere, but is probably

:

01:01:42,906 --> 01:01:43,386

Kyle: I don't know.

:

01:01:43,386 --> 01:01:44,586

They probably say something.

:

01:01:45,476 --> 01:01:47,516

I know in French you'd say six year.

:

01:01:49,666 --> 01:01:50,486

Katie: Oh yeah.

:

01:01:50,756 --> 01:01:51,046

Okay.

:

01:01:51,076 --> 01:01:52,236

Kyle: I don't know what

they'd see in England.

:

01:01:53,063 --> 01:01:53,353

Katie: yeah.

:

01:01:53,353 --> 01:01:57,733

And then I think when we were done

reading the book, we got our treat

:

01:01:57,793 --> 01:01:58,973

for finishing the book was we

:

01:01:58,973 --> 01:01:59,613

got to watch the movie

:

01:01:59,953 --> 01:02:00,303

Kyle: Right,

:

01:02:00,423 --> 01:02:02,113

Katie: wheeled in on one of those carts

:

01:02:02,303 --> 01:02:02,423

Kyle: course.

:

01:02:02,563 --> 01:02:05,583

And with the strap that goes over

the TV to make sure it doesn't fall.

:

01:02:06,173 --> 01:02:06,463

Yeah,

:

01:02:06,833 --> 01:02:07,843

Katie: That was the best time

:

01:02:07,883 --> 01:02:08,383

Kyle: Oh man.

:

01:02:08,383 --> 01:02:11,183

When you had a sub that checked out and

they're like, let's just watch a movie

:

01:02:12,493 --> 01:02:12,713

Katie: Yep.

:

01:02:13,023 --> 01:02:13,793

That was the best.

:

01:02:14,893 --> 01:02:19,353

so they're on the run, just to

kind of catch the audience up.

:

01:02:19,353 --> 01:02:24,153

So they, the two boys end up accidentally

murdering one of the sos 'cause

:

01:02:24,333 --> 01:02:25,793

one of the sos was drowning.

:

01:02:25,893 --> 01:02:26,553

One of the boys.

:

01:02:27,253 --> 01:02:30,953

Kyle: I, I wouldn't call it an accident,

but I'd say it wasn't, with malice.

:

01:02:32,753 --> 01:02:33,293

Katie: That's a

:

01:02:33,473 --> 01:02:33,763

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:02:33,853 --> 01:02:34,253

Katie: putting it.

:

01:02:34,493 --> 01:02:35,493

I don't think he meant to

:

01:02:35,733 --> 01:02:35,953

Kyle: No.

:

01:02:36,143 --> 01:02:36,433

Okay.

:

01:02:36,433 --> 01:02:36,673

Yeah.

:

01:02:36,673 --> 01:02:37,873

In that sense, it was an accident.

:

01:02:38,183 --> 01:02:39,633

Like he, he assaulted

:

01:02:40,473 --> 01:02:41,073

a soh,

:

01:02:41,863 --> 01:02:45,793

uh, to defend his friend

who could have been killed.

:

01:02:45,923 --> 01:02:49,083

it was, you could reasonably

expect, I think if you're a

:

01:02:49,083 --> 01:02:51,883

lawyer, you could, if that a good

enough lawyer, which he wouldn't

:

01:02:53,023 --> 01:02:53,363

of course

:

01:02:53,583 --> 01:02:53,873

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:02:54,063 --> 01:02:55,123

Kyle: you could get outta that one

:

01:02:55,583 --> 01:02:55,873

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:02:55,943 --> 01:02:58,513

Kyle: because they were

outnumbered, so, yeah.

:

01:03:00,343 --> 01:03:02,473

Katie: They, so they go on the run and

:

01:03:02,473 --> 01:03:04,893

there's this weird, they

cut their hair with a dull

:

01:03:05,153 --> 01:03:05,443

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:03:05,473 --> 01:03:09,653

Katie: and color it, bleach it blonde,

and they're hanging out in this church.

:

01:03:09,653 --> 01:03:13,173

There's a whole scene about

that, and then somehow they,

:

01:03:13,193 --> 01:03:14,413

the church ends up like these

:

01:03:14,523 --> 01:03:15,653

kids end up

:

01:03:15,653 --> 01:03:17,373

in it messing around and there's a fire.

:

01:03:17,463 --> 01:03:17,753

Kyle: Okay.

:

01:03:18,003 --> 01:03:18,613

Katie: They save

:

01:03:18,703 --> 01:03:20,043

Kyle: Is it, this is the same church?

:

01:03:20,193 --> 01:03:20,483

Yeah.

:

01:03:21,443 --> 01:03:21,733

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:03:21,963 --> 01:03:22,253

Yeah.

:

01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:26,023

Kyle: what the fuck's happening here

with that's an abandoned church.

:

01:03:26,023 --> 01:03:27,583

Like that's where they were

there in the first place.

:

01:03:28,003 --> 01:03:32,583

It made it seem like there a bunch of

kids went to church there and then it,

:

01:03:32,643 --> 01:03:33,643

what are they doing in that church?

:

01:03:33,643 --> 01:03:37,393

Like why did you bring a group of

kids into this abandoned church

:

01:03:37,483 --> 01:03:37,683

Katie: don't

:

01:03:37,683 --> 01:03:37,803

know.

:

01:03:37,813 --> 01:03:40,193

Kyle: and then it somehow sets on fire

:

01:03:40,733 --> 01:03:42,993

and then long enough for

you not to be, to escape.

:

01:03:44,343 --> 01:03:48,873

Like I could see, to me a more plausible

story is like when I grew up, for example,

:

01:03:49,743 --> 01:03:52,783

I grew up on like the edge of town at

one point where they were building a

:

01:03:52,783 --> 01:03:57,103

bunch of new houses and we used to play

in these houses under construction,

:

01:03:57,233 --> 01:03:58,513

when the workers weren't around.

:

01:03:58,523 --> 01:03:58,873

Right?

:

01:03:59,713 --> 01:03:59,933

And

:

01:04:00,168 --> 01:04:00,388

Katie: Yep.

:

01:04:00,733 --> 01:04:04,783

Kyle: like I could see a few kids playing

in this church, lighting some matches

:

01:04:05,523 --> 01:04:07,823

and getting themselves in trouble, right?

:

01:04:07,998 --> 01:04:10,238

this is like a supervised group of kids,

:

01:04:11,166 --> 01:04:11,456

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:04:11,556 --> 01:04:12,016

I'm, I.

:

01:04:12,016 --> 01:04:13,096

don't remember the scenario

:

01:04:13,751 --> 01:04:13,871

Kyle: I.

:

01:04:14,236 --> 01:04:14,656

Katie: why they

:

01:04:14,791 --> 01:04:15,901

Kyle: There, there is none.

:

01:04:15,931 --> 01:04:19,761

Like they just show up and may,

maybe the book explains it.

:

01:04:19,881 --> 01:04:23,121

I haven't read the book forever,

but the movie sure doesn't.

:

01:04:24,606 --> 01:04:25,566

Katie: actually that is a good point.

:

01:04:25,686 --> 01:04:29,086

I feel like I was reading that,

there's quite a bit left out

:

01:04:29,086 --> 01:04:31,926

of the movie and that is the

:

01:04:32,266 --> 01:04:35,586

studio exec's fault, not Coppola's.

:

01:04:35,741 --> 01:04:36,191

Kyle: it's an,

:

01:04:36,296 --> 01:04:38,296

Katie: remedied that with

his, he came out later

:

01:04:38,296 --> 01:04:41,416

with an extended like director's

cut that brought back a lot of

:

01:04:41,431 --> 01:04:42,131

Kyle: that's the problem.

:

01:04:42,231 --> 01:04:43,211

You have an hour and a half,

:

01:04:44,606 --> 01:04:44,896

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:04:44,981 --> 01:04:47,791

Kyle: like what do you keep, what do

you, I'm trying to think of scenes

:

01:04:47,791 --> 01:04:49,471

that maybe weren't necessary, but.

:

01:04:50,801 --> 01:04:53,811

Katie: yeah, the studio definitely

wanted to keep it at an hour and a half.

:

01:04:53,811 --> 01:04:56,091

They didn't want it to go over that,

so he had to cut a lot, I guess.

:

01:04:56,191 --> 01:05:00,451

But, and so it's in this time

that we're kind of shown that Pony

:

01:05:00,451 --> 01:05:01,811

Boy is he's really intelligent.

:

01:05:01,871 --> 01:05:06,541

He reads, writes poems and, perceptive

young kid, but he doesn't feel

:

01:05:06,541 --> 01:05:09,501

like he can show that to

his, like the tough guys.

:

01:05:09,576 --> 01:05:10,736

Kyle: I, I really liked him,

:

01:05:11,046 --> 01:05:14,456

like when I watched this, I think I liked

him as a kid, but I liked him a lot more

:

01:05:14,556 --> 01:05:16,736

as a, as an adult now that I see him.

:

01:05:17,021 --> 01:05:17,311

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:05:17,556 --> 01:05:17,846

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:05:17,896 --> 01:05:20,756

he seems like a nice person, like

someone who will stand up for himself,

:

01:05:20,756 --> 01:05:22,156

but not someone who's like a dick.

:

01:05:23,076 --> 01:05:24,526

Like it's kind of a nice

little middle ground.

:

01:05:24,731 --> 01:05:24,851

Katie: I,

:

01:05:25,236 --> 01:05:25,526

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:05:26,341 --> 01:05:30,141

Katie: I actually all of the Curtis

boys, because I really liked,

:

01:05:30,361 --> 01:05:34,021

Rob Lowe's character Soda pop

because he just like a good guy.

:

01:05:34,021 --> 01:05:39,001

He isn't in school, he's like 17

probably, and he works at the gas station

:

01:05:39,001 --> 01:05:40,201

instead of being in school.

:

01:05:41,201 --> 01:05:41,981

To help the family

:

01:05:42,056 --> 01:05:42,346

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:05:43,041 --> 01:05:44,891

Katie: but he's like a nice guy.

:

01:05:45,351 --> 01:05:50,141

And, I feel like, pony Boy was

able to show that side of him with

:

01:05:50,141 --> 01:05:52,541

him, like his brother Soda Pop.

:

01:05:53,361 --> 01:05:58,541

And then Dairy Patrick Swayze's

character is just a really good

:

01:05:58,601 --> 01:05:58,821

guy.

:

01:05:58,851 --> 01:05:59,901

Like, he's, he's

:

01:06:00,001 --> 01:06:01,501

the overseer of all these

:

01:06:01,636 --> 01:06:01,856

Kyle: He,

:

01:06:02,021 --> 01:06:03,021

Katie: whether he wants to be

:

01:06:03,096 --> 01:06:03,386

Kyle: he's,

:

01:06:03,686 --> 01:06:07,186

you could tell he's, he, he can't

cope with the stress of raising

:

01:06:07,196 --> 01:06:09,026

those kids, which I don't blame him.

:

01:06:09,846 --> 01:06:10,196

Right.

:

01:06:10,216 --> 01:06:12,676

If I'm 20 in his situation,

I wouldn't either.

:

01:06:13,666 --> 01:06:16,186

'cause he's like aggressive and

kind of mean to pony boy when he

:

01:06:16,186 --> 01:06:17,106

comes home at two in the morning.

:

01:06:18,146 --> 01:06:18,626

Shoves him.

:

01:06:18,801 --> 01:06:19,021

Katie: He

:

01:06:19,366 --> 01:06:19,826

Kyle: He does.

:

01:06:20,021 --> 01:06:20,461

Katie: doesn't

:

01:06:20,486 --> 01:06:22,906

Kyle: I'm not saying he's a bad

person, but I'm saying like he

:

01:06:22,906 --> 01:06:26,846

does, he comes across a little mixed

and, you know, but I think it's

:

01:06:26,846 --> 01:06:28,126

understandable at the same time.

:

01:06:28,126 --> 01:06:33,366

Like he has reason to be where Dallas,

for example, perhaps his past makes him

:

01:06:33,366 --> 01:06:39,196

that way, but like he, he has a fairly

carefree life in comparison with dairy.

:

01:06:40,206 --> 01:06:40,496

Katie: True.

:

01:06:42,326 --> 01:06:42,856

Very true.

:

01:06:43,356 --> 01:06:48,296

Now, I did take note of when

we meet Dallas, Matt Dillon.

:

01:06:49,366 --> 01:06:51,706

He looks so good in those eighties style

:

01:06:51,776 --> 01:06:52,066

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:06:52,336 --> 01:06:52,626

Yeah.

:

01:06:53,366 --> 01:06:54,626

Katie: or I guess sixties style.

:

01:06:54,766 --> 01:06:56,266

But yeah, he looked really good.

:

01:06:56,576 --> 01:07:02,406

Also, uh, Patrick Swayze looks,

uh, amazing in this movie.

:

01:07:02,406 --> 01:07:04,886

Like the way he has his

hair, he has that, he

:

01:07:04,886 --> 01:07:06,046

has this southern accent.

:

01:07:06,096 --> 01:07:07,696

there's a scene where

he takes his shirt off

:

01:07:07,731 --> 01:07:09,551

Kyle: Oh yeah, he's in excellent shape.

:

01:07:09,636 --> 01:07:13,256

Katie: he just looks

incredible and he does that

:

01:07:14,056 --> 01:07:16,016

they go to the rumble,

which is ridiculous.

:

01:07:16,026 --> 01:07:16,576

We'll get to,

:

01:07:16,781 --> 01:07:17,071

Kyle: Okay.

:

01:07:17,396 --> 01:07:19,246

Katie: yeah, he does a

:

01:07:19,246 --> 01:07:22,326

gymnastics move off of the

fence and not, that's him

:

01:07:22,521 --> 01:07:25,761

Kyle: I should have researched this ahead

of time, but it almost seems like the

:

01:07:25,761 --> 01:07:27,481

greasers are in the wrong time period.

:

01:07:29,321 --> 01:07:32,701

Like the greasers to me

seems more like the fifties,

:

01:07:34,251 --> 01:07:34,601

Katie: Uhhuh.

:

01:07:34,731 --> 01:07:35,411

Kyle: so to me,

:

01:07:35,991 --> 01:07:41,481

and it maybe I have a misperception

here, but to me, greasers like

:

01:07:41,481 --> 01:07:47,081

that in the mid sixties in Oklahoma

doesn't make a ton of sense.

:

01:07:49,356 --> 01:07:50,806

Like I could see poor kids.

:

01:07:50,881 --> 01:07:51,361

Katie: if this was

:

01:07:51,361 --> 01:07:54,161

sort of them phasing out,

like maybe this was the

:

01:07:54,446 --> 01:07:55,086

Kyle: Y yeah.

:

01:07:55,086 --> 01:07:55,846

Like the last

:

01:07:56,291 --> 01:07:56,641

Katie: maybe

:

01:07:57,506 --> 01:07:58,766

Kyle: it is funny, like I

:

01:07:59,046 --> 01:08:00,126

remember working

:

01:08:00,706 --> 01:08:06,286

the early two thousands, like:

in this hardware store and I'd sometimes

:

01:08:06,426 --> 01:08:12,196

see older men come in and their hair was

kind of like the greaser kind of hair

:

01:08:13,161 --> 01:08:13,381

Katie: Oh

:

01:08:13,476 --> 01:08:14,136

Kyle: or like the

:

01:08:14,211 --> 01:08:14,501

Katie: yeah.

:

01:08:14,616 --> 01:08:18,895

Kyle: guy had like all of his buttons

unbuttoned except like his shirt was

:

01:08:18,895 --> 01:08:22,376

tucked in, all of them unbuttoned

except for the bottom couple buttons.

:

01:08:23,376 --> 01:08:27,386

And I was telling my dad about this

when I got home and he is like, oh

:

01:08:27,386 --> 01:08:28,866

yeah, people did that in the fifties.

:

01:08:29,376 --> 01:08:31,145

This guy just can't get with the times.

:

01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,700

Katie: Now the hair thing, I

totally know what you're talking

:

01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:36,740

about and I kind of love it.

:

01:08:36,930 --> 01:08:42,180

Like I dig that all the, like I dig like

Patrick Swayze's hair in this movie.

:

01:08:42,979 --> 01:08:43,140

it.

:

01:08:43,330 --> 01:08:47,920

Like it's, there's a name for the what

it is and sometimes I'll see, like on

:

01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,880

TV shows, like men from that era

:

01:08:50,830 --> 01:08:51,050

and

:

01:08:51,090 --> 01:08:51,380

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,370

Katie: it's kind of

supposed to be ridiculous,

:

01:08:53,410 --> 01:08:53,700

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:55,740

I guess that's kind of like

a counterculture thing.

:

01:08:56,490 --> 01:09:00,460

Like you think of sixties counterculture

more as hippies and stuff like

:

01:09:00,460 --> 01:09:03,540

that, but 65 is really not that era.

:

01:09:03,540 --> 01:09:03,859

Right?

:

01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:08,520

Like it's still kind of, I think because

it's like if somebody wasn't around

:

01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,120

in the sixties, maybe someone could

tell me, actually know Kyle, there

:

01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:16,720

were greasers around, especially in

the early sixties, maybe mid sixties.

:

01:09:17,372 --> 01:09:21,173

this movie took place in 69, I wouldn't

believe that there'd be greasers around.

:

01:09:21,923 --> 01:09:22,582

Katie: that's a good point.

:

01:09:22,582 --> 01:09:23,063

It's like an

:

01:09:23,233 --> 01:09:23,523

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:09:24,193 --> 01:09:25,193

It's you know, the early

:

01:09:25,593 --> 01:09:28,712

eighties often resembled

the late seventies, right?

:

01:09:28,823 --> 01:09:31,473

Like it just because you switch

from the seventies to the eighties,

:

01:09:31,473 --> 01:09:32,752

it doesn't mean everything changes

:

01:09:33,853 --> 01:09:34,523

right away.

:

01:09:34,983 --> 01:09:35,273

Katie: Good

:

01:09:35,462 --> 01:09:38,743

Kyle: But, you know, I, yeah, I

guess it's, that's their version

:

01:09:38,743 --> 01:09:40,143

of counterculture at this time.

:

01:09:41,283 --> 01:09:42,063

Katie: Really good point.

:

01:09:43,332 --> 01:09:44,872

So what did you think of

:

01:09:44,872 --> 01:09:45,553

the rumble?

:

01:09:47,893 --> 01:09:48,183

Kyle: Okay.

:

01:09:48,323 --> 01:09:50,663

as a teenager, I'll tell you what

I thought as a teenager and now

:

01:09:51,403 --> 01:09:54,463

as a teenager, I thought that was

the coolest fucking thing ever.

:

01:09:55,683 --> 01:10:02,833

And we did stuff like that as kids, not

to the same extent, but like, I remember

:

01:10:02,963 --> 01:10:06,952

being as a kid where it's like, oh, we're

gonna have a fight our group against their

:

01:10:06,952 --> 01:10:08,433

group, or we're gonna meet in this area.

:

01:10:09,103 --> 01:10:12,283

yes, I, it, no one got

fucked up bad, right?

:

01:10:12,443 --> 01:10:13,443

'cause we were all just little kids.

:

01:10:13,713 --> 01:10:15,973

but yeah, like I identified

with that for sure.

:

01:10:16,313 --> 01:10:17,863

And I thought that was just cool.

:

01:10:18,043 --> 01:10:18,702

You had it out.

:

01:10:18,702 --> 01:10:20,143

It's like this big battle scene.

:

01:10:21,133 --> 01:10:24,633

now I look at it, I just, I look

at the whole greasers and sos

:

01:10:26,153 --> 01:10:27,563

harassing each other like that.

:

01:10:27,702 --> 01:10:31,723

And it's just, I don't know, maybe it's

my age now, but it's just utter stupidity.

:

01:10:32,808 --> 01:10:35,827

It is just so, so absurd.

:

01:10:36,048 --> 01:10:41,538

And I don't know, I feel like in reality

you might have greasers and socials at

:

01:10:41,538 --> 01:10:46,908

school fucking around with each other,

but like I'm guessing they wouldn't

:

01:10:46,908 --> 01:10:48,188

even interact with each other that much.

:

01:10:48,188 --> 01:10:49,508

They'd be on different sides of town.

:

01:10:49,928 --> 01:10:52,827

It would be more like greasers

fighting other greasers,

:

01:10:53,671 --> 01:10:53,961

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:10:54,021 --> 01:10:54,461

Kyle: know what I mean?

:

01:10:54,761 --> 01:10:55,041

Katie: I know.

:

01:10:55,201 --> 01:10:55,881

I totally know what

:

01:10:55,881 --> 01:10:56,001

you

:

01:10:56,011 --> 01:10:56,231

Kyle: And

:

01:10:56,711 --> 01:10:59,851

so it's like you have these greasers that

are there and then you have all these cars

:

01:10:59,921 --> 01:11:03,571

pull up that's what made an impression

to me when I was a teenager is that

:

01:11:03,571 --> 01:11:09,731

the soss were pulling up in cars where

the greasers had to just walk there and

:

01:11:10,611 --> 01:11:10,831

Katie: In

:

01:11:11,041 --> 01:11:12,531

Kyle: yeah, super nice cars.

:

01:11:12,671 --> 01:11:13,651

And they dress well.

:

01:11:13,651 --> 01:11:17,171

Like they're in their khaki pants and

sweaters showing up to this fight.

:

01:11:18,141 --> 01:11:19,961

and you just know the

greasers are gonna win.

:

01:11:20,381 --> 01:11:23,121

And I gotta say though,

the SOAs are huge guys.

:

01:11:24,661 --> 01:11:24,951

Katie: They

:

01:11:25,081 --> 01:11:25,201

Kyle: I.

:

01:11:25,331 --> 01:11:25,831

Katie: big guys.

:

01:11:25,851 --> 01:11:27,531

Kyle: the greasers were on average

:

01:11:27,871 --> 01:11:28,771

so much smaller,

:

01:11:30,131 --> 01:11:31,861

with the exception of Patrick Swayze.

:

01:11:31,861 --> 01:11:34,301

I don't know how tall he

is, but he seems really big.

:

01:11:34,521 --> 01:11:35,291

Katie: He's not tall.

:

01:11:35,441 --> 01:11:36,411

Like I think he's like,

:

01:11:37,091 --> 01:11:37,411

don't know.

:

01:11:37,761 --> 01:11:38,651

He's not short, but

:

01:11:38,721 --> 01:11:39,011

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:11:39,581 --> 01:11:40,721

and like the guy Patrick

:

01:11:41,001 --> 01:11:43,841

Swayze faces off against too,

he's really short, he's quite a

:

01:11:43,841 --> 01:11:44,961

bit shorter than Patrick Swayze.

:

01:11:45,191 --> 01:11:46,321

Like the guy, he knew him.

:

01:11:46,471 --> 01:11:48,721

Like they, they played football

together in high school.

:

01:11:50,191 --> 01:11:50,481

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:11:51,421 --> 01:11:56,861

that's kind of, when I watched

this as an adult, a few

:

01:11:56,861 --> 01:11:57,981

things really stood out to me.

:

01:11:58,321 --> 01:12:06,241

One being the idea of a scheduled

fight in and of itself, and another is

:

01:12:06,241 --> 01:12:08,761

that the vast majority of these guys

:

01:12:08,991 --> 01:12:10,041

know that this

:

01:12:10,091 --> 01:12:11,721

whole thing is utter

:

01:12:11,931 --> 01:12:12,221

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:12:12,221 --> 01:12:12,501

Well,

:

01:12:12,941 --> 01:12:13,161

Katie: but

:

01:12:13,181 --> 01:12:13,301

Kyle: I,

:

01:12:13,431 --> 01:12:14,841

Katie: feel like they have to do it

:

01:12:15,521 --> 01:12:15,741

Kyle: yes.

:

01:12:15,891 --> 01:12:20,871

Even there's that conversation between

Pony Boy and that sos in the car where

:

01:12:20,901 --> 01:12:22,831

it's like a day or two before the rumble.

:

01:12:23,951 --> 01:12:25,831

Everyone knows there's no

fighting before the rumble.

:

01:12:26,851 --> 01:12:30,531

and they start talking in the car

and they're actually getting, that's

:

01:12:30,531 --> 01:12:34,581

one of my favorite scenes actually,

is they're getting along and I think

:

01:12:34,581 --> 01:12:39,676

this, this guy kind of respects Pony

Boy to a degree and he talked about

:

01:12:39,676 --> 01:12:42,796

like, you know, whether you guys win

or lose, you're still on the bottom.

:

01:12:42,896 --> 01:12:43,776

you're still greasers.

:

01:12:44,306 --> 01:12:45,736

we're a higher class than you.

:

01:12:46,666 --> 01:12:50,126

he realized the stupidity of

it as well and so did Pony Boy.

:

01:12:50,706 --> 01:12:55,486

But it's like this, this idea of

honor that if you don't show up

:

01:12:55,786 --> 01:12:57,486

to this fight, you're a coward.

:

01:12:58,206 --> 01:13:00,826

You turned your back in this

community, you turned your back on

:

01:13:00,826 --> 01:13:04,706

like this greaser family, but then

you see other greasers that you

:

01:13:04,706 --> 01:13:07,476

don't see in the other film, right?

:

01:13:07,476 --> 01:13:09,756

Like, it's kind of like all

these gangs have got together.

:

01:13:09,896 --> 01:13:10,476

but which

:

01:13:10,996 --> 01:13:12,836

I would guess they fought

each other in the past.

:

01:13:12,946 --> 01:13:16,076

Like sometimes you need a common

enemy not to fight each other.

:

01:13:17,056 --> 01:13:17,336

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:13:17,371 --> 01:13:20,621

Kyle: It's again, I really don't think the

ASSAS would've anything to do with them.

:

01:13:21,091 --> 01:13:23,541

There'd be minor scraps occasionally, but

:

01:13:23,966 --> 01:13:27,536

like they'd be like, because all those

guys would really be trying to do is

:

01:13:27,536 --> 01:13:29,696

get laid at that age in those cars.

:

01:13:30,486 --> 01:13:33,576

Like you would not be going to

mess around fighting greasers.

:

01:13:33,586 --> 01:13:35,736

You'd be trying to get

some pussy, basically

:

01:13:37,215 --> 01:13:38,715

Katie: Unless they, again, to

:

01:13:38,715 --> 01:13:41,595

your point about honor, like,

oh, if they threaten me, we

:

01:13:41,595 --> 01:13:41,755

have

:

01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:42,370

Kyle: Well, okay,

:

01:13:42,465 --> 01:13:42,915

Katie: That whole

:

01:13:43,059 --> 01:13:43,960

Kyle: that's a good point because

:

01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:48,320

again, this is another thing that confused

me about this rumble, and there was

:

01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,800

a movie, or sorry, there was a scene

in this movie that made me laugh out

:

01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,000

loud how stupid and ridiculous it was.

:

01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:59,790

It's when they're visiting Dallas in

the hospital, and this is after Johnny

:

01:14:00,059 --> 01:14:01,790

dies, or maybe right before he die.

:

01:14:01,790 --> 01:14:02,830

Johnny's not doing well.

:

01:14:02,830 --> 01:14:04,990

Johnny's either dead or

presumed to gonna die soon.

:

01:14:05,625 --> 01:14:09,425

he's we gotta good, even with

these greasers or with these sos.

:

01:14:10,090 --> 01:14:11,120

Let's do it for Johnny.

:

01:14:11,875 --> 01:14:15,575

And when he said, well, let's do it for

Johnny like that, I laughed out loud.

:

01:14:15,715 --> 01:14:19,155

I'm like, that is what the

kids would call cringe today.

:

01:14:19,934 --> 01:14:22,195

but I'm like, you killed

one of their people.

:

01:14:23,475 --> 01:14:26,245

Granted their people probably

started it, but still

:

01:14:26,665 --> 01:14:26,955

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:14:27,170 --> 01:14:28,630

Kyle: one of their guys is dead.

:

01:14:30,105 --> 01:14:30,395

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:14:30,415 --> 01:14:31,195

That's a really

:

01:14:31,290 --> 01:14:31,510

Kyle: And

:

01:14:32,025 --> 01:14:33,035

Katie: This isn't just like,

:

01:14:33,075 --> 01:14:33,395

a fight.

:

01:14:33,580 --> 01:14:36,600

Kyle: I guess that's what precipitated

the rumble is that this murder

:

01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:41,080

happened and these SOAs wanna, they

want to get back at these greasers,

:

01:14:41,710 --> 01:14:43,059

which is not how you do it.

:

01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:46,220

You'd probably kill one of their guys,

even though they probably wouldn't

:

01:14:46,220 --> 01:14:50,020

have the balls to do that, but probably

find a couple strays like they were

:

01:14:50,020 --> 01:14:52,059

originally trying to do and tune them up.

:

01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,460

but so that, that's, I guess why

they did the rumble is because

:

01:14:56,460 --> 01:14:58,120

of the murder in the first place.

:

01:14:58,980 --> 01:15:03,950

But still, like, honestly, I don't see the

SOS really is any worse than the greasers.

:

01:15:04,755 --> 01:15:06,255

That's kind of what I

got out of this movie.

:

01:15:06,684 --> 01:15:10,015

Like when I watched it as a teenager,

the greasers were the bad guy or

:

01:15:10,155 --> 01:15:15,055

the good guys and the SOAs were the,

these rich pricks who were assholes.

:

01:15:15,275 --> 01:15:19,815

and now I see it and I'm like, they're

really just two sides of the same coin.

:

01:15:19,915 --> 01:15:26,015

One just has more money than the other,

but they're like, it's ego, it's people

:

01:15:26,015 --> 01:15:27,455

with too much time in their hands.

:

01:15:27,965 --> 01:15:31,585

It's, it's testosterone and aggression.

:

01:15:33,095 --> 01:15:36,955

Katie: To that point, the brawl,

the actual fighting is like

:

01:15:37,055 --> 01:15:38,635

all out, they're like caveman

:

01:15:38,905 --> 01:15:39,485

Kyle: Oh, yeah.

:

01:15:39,865 --> 01:15:40,155

okay.

:

01:15:40,155 --> 01:15:43,875

So they have a cherry, I think is

her name or something like that.

:

01:15:44,115 --> 01:15:44,405

Katie: yeah.

:

01:15:44,405 --> 01:15:44,885

She's like the,

:

01:15:45,075 --> 01:15:47,425

Kyle: She's the, so-called

Spy in the movie.

:

01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:48,559

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:15:48,785 --> 01:15:49,795

Kyle: of course the Rumble.

:

01:15:50,570 --> 01:15:53,070

Has is there, there's so

many rules to this thing.

:

01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:54,630

Like you can't fight a certain time.

:

01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:59,430

Before the rumble, the people were

agreeing not to bring weapons there.

:

01:15:59,790 --> 01:16:02,350

so it's gonna be a straight up fist

way and everyone obeys the rules,

:

01:16:03,250 --> 01:16:04,800

which I don't think would happen.

:

01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:07,030

I think basically both sides do it.

:

01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:07,510

Of incentive.

:

01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,020

Katie: But I

:

01:16:08,020 --> 01:16:10,540

liked that, that they the, to the,

:

01:16:10,670 --> 01:16:11,020

honor

:

01:16:11,290 --> 01:16:11,580

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:16:11,740 --> 01:16:12,820

Katie: they had honor enough to

:

01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:15,580

Kyle: I feel like there

would be stuff in the cars

:

01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:19,690

just in case, if the greaser shows up

with knives, you have your baseball

:

01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,370

bats or whatever in the car, and I

think the greasers that have knives

:

01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:25,330

in their pockets, but maybe it's

okay, well if these guys don't bring

:

01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:26,970

stuff, I'm not gonna use the knife.

:

01:16:28,090 --> 01:16:29,059

Something like that.

:

01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,930

But I think in really there's

an incentive for both to cheat.

:

01:16:33,190 --> 01:16:36,809

Or if things were going bad, maybe say

maybe the, I could see what happening.

:

01:16:36,830 --> 01:16:40,770

Say maybe the socias is they lose

the rumble, go to their cars and

:

01:16:40,770 --> 01:16:44,210

they pop the trunk and get the

bats out and be like, okay, you

:

01:16:44,210 --> 01:16:45,770

know, now you guys are gonna pay.

:

01:16:45,820 --> 01:16:53,450

Katie: is probably more realistic, But

yeah, so spoiler alert, the greasers win.

:

01:16:53,710 --> 01:16:57,370

So quote unquote win the

rumble and the, socias retreat.

:

01:16:58,460 --> 01:17:01,520

but then I don't know,

but then, Dallas and

:

01:17:01,550 --> 01:17:04,720

Pony Boy, they're like all

jazzed to go tell Johnny in

:

01:17:04,780 --> 01:17:05,160

Kyle: Oh yes.

:

01:17:05,180 --> 01:17:06,720

So Johnny hadn't died yet.

:

01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:07,120

You're right.

:

01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:09,240

Katie: Yeah, but he does die.

:

01:17:09,309 --> 01:17:10,360

Like they go to tell him

:

01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,600

about their winning the rumble and,

:

01:17:12,740 --> 01:17:14,870

Kyle: yeah, as I saw

them win the rumble too.

:

01:17:15,150 --> 01:17:18,990

I was, and they were so happy in

cheering, and it's in the rain, of course.

:

01:17:19,050 --> 01:17:22,470

The rain starts immediately as the

fight starts, which I found odd.

:

01:17:23,250 --> 01:17:24,580

They wanted to have a scene in the rain.

:

01:17:24,730 --> 01:17:25,450

Katie: for the movie Kyle.

:

01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:25,770

We

:

01:17:25,780 --> 01:17:26,070

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:17:26,430 --> 01:17:27,610

Katie: the tense music, the

:

01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,300

Kyle: But they don't have their talking

:

01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:30,620

confrontation in the rain,

:

01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:34,490

but as soon as like it's having

to fight, it's like all of a

:

01:17:34,490 --> 01:17:35,730

sudden the rain comes down.

:

01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:36,760

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:17:36,820 --> 01:17:38,000

Kyle: but they're cheering for that.

:

01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:40,320

And it's just like the futility,

like what are you cheering about?

:

01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:43,910

I understand that you won, I understand

you'd be happy, but it's just like,

:

01:17:44,620 --> 01:17:47,809

I really kind of looked down on them

and I would look down on the SOAs

:

01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:49,210

too, if they won and were cheering.

:

01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:52,010

I don't want to, you know,

favor one group over the other.

:

01:17:53,180 --> 01:17:53,260

Katie: children.

:

01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:53,720

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:17:54,260 --> 01:17:55,580

Katie: I mean, you know what I mean?

:

01:17:55,580 --> 01:18:02,860

Like they are acting as 16 year

old boys that have had to drop

:

01:18:02,860 --> 01:18:03,980

outta high school and have no home.

:

01:18:03,980 --> 01:18:06,740

Like they're kind of act

like this is all they have.

:

01:18:06,820 --> 01:18:08,110

they don't really have anything

:

01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:08,990

positive in their

:

01:18:08,990 --> 01:18:10,710

life, so this is kind

of a big deal for them.

:

01:18:10,710 --> 01:18:11,150

They won

:

01:18:11,380 --> 01:18:12,640

Kyle: Y yeah, you're right.

:

01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:13,040

'cause this.

:

01:18:13,470 --> 01:18:14,370

Katie: as an adult.

:

01:18:15,865 --> 01:18:16,665

I felt Forder.

:

01:18:16,945 --> 01:18:18,184

'cause Darry doesn't

want any part of this.

:

01:18:18,295 --> 01:18:19,184

He's freaking 20.

:

01:18:19,365 --> 01:18:19,825

He doesn't

:

01:18:19,825 --> 01:18:20,425

need to be doing this.

:

01:18:20,615 --> 01:18:22,825

Like of the dudes was like his old

:

01:18:22,865 --> 01:18:23,155

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:18:23,155 --> 01:18:25,235

And if you get caught,

you're doing real jail time

:

01:18:25,855 --> 01:18:28,395

and if you're 14 or whatever, . Yeah.

:

01:18:28,595 --> 01:18:32,475

I have noticed too, kind of growing

up around poor people, being

:

01:18:32,475 --> 01:18:38,205

someone who is poor, they do get

caught up in a lot of petty things.

:

01:18:39,485 --> 01:18:41,265

I'm not saying rich people

don't, maybe it's different

:

01:18:41,265 --> 01:18:43,755

petty things, but it's like,

:

01:18:43,845 --> 01:18:44,135

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:18:44,155 --> 01:18:44,375

I'm

:

01:18:44,425 --> 01:18:45,635

Kyle: with people like that

:

01:18:46,225 --> 01:18:47,235

respect is big.

:

01:18:48,055 --> 01:18:52,015

Like any, if you do anything to

disrespect someone maybe who feels

:

01:18:52,085 --> 01:18:57,075

downtrodden originally, it's like

that's a big thing and they kind of

:

01:18:57,075 --> 01:18:59,995

seem more prone to drama, you know?

:

01:18:59,995 --> 01:19:03,434

And you see people in prison who are

overwhelmingly from the underclass

:

01:19:03,575 --> 01:19:07,955

too, and it's always like drama

about some stupid bullshit like that.

:

01:19:08,055 --> 01:19:10,155

And so it does kind of fit

into this movie as well.

:

01:19:10,735 --> 01:19:11,115

It is

:

01:19:11,275 --> 01:19:11,565

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:19:11,595 --> 01:19:13,515

Kyle: that a 15 year old had that insight.

:

01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,740

Or a 16 year old or whoever wrote, you

know, the person who wrote this book?

:

01:19:17,755 --> 01:19:19,965

Katie: Yeah, she started

it when she was 15.

:

01:19:20,515 --> 01:19:22,715

Yeah, really interesting.

:

01:19:23,405 --> 01:19:29,695

the like ending line Johnny was writing,

wrote a letter to Pony Boy and Pony Boy

:

01:19:29,695 --> 01:19:34,005

doesn't see it until after Johnny dies

and Johnny says, stay gold pony boy.

:

01:19:34,025 --> 01:19:34,885

And then he dies.

:

01:19:35,625 --> 01:19:37,845

And then D Dallas

:

01:19:39,475 --> 01:19:41,605

dies suicide by cop.

:

01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:42,450

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:19:42,525 --> 01:19:42,765

Katie: don't know.

:

01:19:42,785 --> 01:19:45,005

And so it's like, there's

not really a good ending.

:

01:19:45,925 --> 01:19:48,965

we're shown all this, like

all this really shitty stuff.

:

01:19:49,865 --> 01:19:54,695

But then the letter that Johnny

writes shows that he's somehow

:

01:19:55,085 --> 01:19:57,015

through all of that, still has a

:

01:19:57,215 --> 01:19:59,885

positive outlook on the world.

:

01:20:00,050 --> 01:20:01,430

Kyle: You, you feel optimi.

:

01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:02,309

At least I felt

:

01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:05,910

optimism and hope for

Pony Boy going forward.

:

01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:08,990

And that to me, I actually really

liked the ending of the movie.

:

01:20:09,150 --> 01:20:12,390

I don't like cheesy,

happy endings to films.

:

01:20:12,580 --> 01:20:14,309

like for example, talk

about the Rocky film.

:

01:20:14,350 --> 01:20:17,670

I like that you lost the fight at

the end in the first Rocky movie.

:

01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:18,140

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:21,320

Kyle: and he, but he had his victory

and that he went the distance

:

01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,440

and that he has Adrian, right?

:

01:20:23,500 --> 01:20:27,020

and similarly here you see a

very, this is, it ends tragically

:

01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:32,330

where you have, you have a guy die

that for no, for a stupid reason.

:

01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:34,490

And he basically had a mental breakdown.

:

01:20:35,690 --> 01:20:38,070

and you have another guy

die from those burns.

:

01:20:38,809 --> 01:20:42,830

And, but then his, he was able to

send a message through that letter

:

01:20:42,930 --> 01:20:44,510

and have a positive impact and.

:

01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,500

you leave the movie feeling

hope for Pony Boy, and I really

:

01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:49,660

like that character anyway.

:

01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:51,110

So I also kind of want him,

:

01:20:51,340 --> 01:20:51,630

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:20:51,670 --> 01:20:52,550

Kyle: want him to do better.

:

01:20:52,809 --> 01:20:56,190

I don't know, as a dad now,

like my daughter's 10, right?

:

01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,670

She's only four years younger

than this pony boy character.

:

01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:03,790

I view kids differently in teenagers

differently than I did before, you

:

01:21:03,790 --> 01:21:09,390

know, and it's like I kids or kids

suffering or things like that.

:

01:21:10,090 --> 01:21:12,180

I'm not saying it can't pull,

it's I know you don't have kids.

:

01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,380

I'm not saying it wouldn't pull at your

heartstrings, maybe it always would, and

:

01:21:15,380 --> 01:21:20,870

maybe I was insensitive before to it, but

having that experience of having kids has

:

01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:22,830

helped me be more sensitive towards that.

:

01:21:23,170 --> 01:21:23,390

And

:

01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:24,970

Katie: Oh, I can totally

:

01:21:24,980 --> 01:21:27,230

Kyle: yeah, it's kinda like

having animals helps you more

:

01:21:27,470 --> 01:21:28,750

sensitive with animals too, right?

:

01:21:28,860 --> 01:21:29,150

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:21:29,540 --> 01:21:33,730

Kyle: and it's I feel like I want

to be pony boy's dad and want,

:

01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:36,559

you know, want to give 'em a hug

and be there for 'em and you know.

:

01:21:37,940 --> 01:21:40,500

I kind of have that hope for him, or

I kind of think, you know, I'm proud

:

01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:43,700

of you, you know, that you're kind

of learning from this, and, you know,

:

01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:45,490

Katie: yeah.

:

01:21:46,385 --> 01:21:47,915

Yeah, I like that.

:

01:21:48,315 --> 01:21:49,235

I did end well.

:

01:21:50,165 --> 01:21:52,665

So there, there was a scene where

:

01:21:52,665 --> 01:21:54,545

there's a little girl who asks for a

:

01:21:54,610 --> 01:21:56,210

Kyle: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:21:56,345 --> 01:21:56,745

Katie: talking about?

:

01:21:57,815 --> 01:22:01,461

That, is Sophia Coppola Francis' daughter.

:

01:22:02,531 --> 01:22:09,211

So another family, tie in yet another one

is that Nick Nicholas Cage, auditioned

:

01:22:09,271 --> 01:22:18,341

for both Dairy and Dallas, but his

uncle Ford him down, suggesting that

:

01:22:18,341 --> 01:22:21,821

he try out for the role of Tube it,

:

01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,021

but Cage was fed up and

walked away from the project.

:

01:22:25,141 --> 01:22:27,241

Kyle: He would've made a

decent two bit, to be honest.

:

01:22:28,601 --> 01:22:31,901

Katie: he, probably, well, I'm not

a, he probably would have yes, but I.

:

01:22:33,326 --> 01:22:34,976

I, I'm not a Nick Cage fan,

:

01:22:35,011 --> 01:22:35,581

Kyle: Fair enough.

:

01:22:35,681 --> 01:22:36,371

But he could,

:

01:22:36,636 --> 01:22:37,286

Katie: he's the nephew

:

01:22:37,701 --> 01:22:37,991

Kyle: yeah.

:

01:22:38,066 --> 01:22:39,816

Katie: of both of our Adrian and

:

01:22:39,846 --> 01:22:41,666

Kyle: His Southern accent's

not too bad either.

:

01:22:41,666 --> 01:22:45,066

Like he's played Southern characters

before, so I think he kind of would've,

:

01:22:45,136 --> 01:22:47,346

well, he was a Southern guy in Con Air.

:

01:22:48,601 --> 01:22:48,891

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:22:48,891 --> 01:22:49,811

But I thought that was really?

:

01:22:50,086 --> 01:22:51,446

Kyle: I thought his

Southern accent was okay.

:

01:22:52,211 --> 01:22:52,501

Katie: Okay.

:

01:22:52,666 --> 01:22:53,016

Kyle: Maybe.

:

01:22:53,136 --> 01:22:53,536

I don't know.

:

01:22:53,596 --> 01:22:55,136

I'm not from the, what would I know,

:

01:22:55,706 --> 01:22:56,576

north of the border.

:

01:22:56,871 --> 01:22:57,451

Katie: I'm not from the

:

01:22:57,556 --> 01:22:57,776

Kyle: So

:

01:22:57,951 --> 01:22:58,491

Katie: so I don't know.

:

01:22:58,491 --> 01:23:04,141

And they're so varied, but I do, I will

say, just generally speaking, I am by

:

01:23:05,541 --> 01:23:07,181

regional dialects and

:

01:23:07,486 --> 01:23:07,906

Kyle: Oh, same.

:

01:23:08,791 --> 01:23:09,081

Katie: just

:

01:23:09,126 --> 01:23:10,246

Kyle: I love trying to do them.

:

01:23:10,321 --> 01:23:10,481

Katie: it

:

01:23:10,666 --> 01:23:12,126

Kyle: I'm not super successful, but

:

01:23:12,291 --> 01:23:12,641

Katie: can't,

:

01:23:13,026 --> 01:23:14,126

Kyle: you could do it better than Ryan

:

01:23:14,241 --> 01:23:17,961

Katie: even within this I don't

know about that, but even within

:

01:23:18,061 --> 01:23:20,761

the South, there's like a vast

:

01:23:20,761 --> 01:23:23,401

difference between Alabama and

:

01:23:23,586 --> 01:23:24,286

Kyle: Oh, shit.

:

01:23:24,346 --> 01:23:24,546

yeah.

:

01:23:24,611 --> 01:23:24,731

Katie: mean?

:

01:23:25,081 --> 01:23:25,371

Yeah.

:

01:23:27,425 --> 01:23:31,046

Tom Cruise, who played Steve Randall,

he actually auditioned for the roles

:

01:23:31,346 --> 01:23:33,286

of literally almost all of them.

:

01:23:33,716 --> 01:23:38,326

Soda Pop, Darrell, Randy, and

Dally before being cast as

:

01:23:38,326 --> 01:23:39,526

Steve, which is a smaller role.

:

01:23:40,486 --> 01:23:48,696

And then for the role of Dallas,

Dennis Quaid turned it down and

:

01:23:49,486 --> 01:23:51,216

Judd Nelson was

:

01:23:51,666 --> 01:23:52,175

Kyle: Who's that?

:

01:23:54,076 --> 01:23:54,576

Katie: oh God.

:

01:23:55,046 --> 01:23:56,175

Well you'll have to watch,

:

01:23:56,396 --> 01:23:58,146

Saint Almost Fire 'cause he's a ma,

:

01:23:58,175 --> 01:23:58,746

he's part of the

:

01:23:58,746 --> 01:23:58,946

Bratt

:

01:23:58,946 --> 01:23:59,446

Kyle: Oh, okay.

:

01:23:59,686 --> 01:24:00,666

Katie: Did you watch, please Tell me.

:

01:24:00,666 --> 01:24:01,306

You've seen the Breakfast

:

01:24:01,366 --> 01:24:01,586

Kyle: Yes.

:

01:24:02,186 --> 01:24:03,546

Katie: John Bender.

:

01:24:03,731 --> 01:24:04,021

Kyle: Okay.

:

01:24:04,021 --> 01:24:05,221

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:24:05,806 --> 01:24:06,706

Katie: That's Judd Nelson.

:

01:24:07,531 --> 01:24:09,151

Kyle: He was in a show later on

:

01:24:09,901 --> 01:24:10,121

too.

:

01:24:10,121 --> 01:24:12,131

He was like a What show was it?

:

01:24:12,286 --> 01:24:12,766

Katie: A nineties

:

01:24:12,881 --> 01:24:13,461

Kyle: No, not the,

:

01:24:14,046 --> 01:24:14,925

Katie: Suddenly Susan, I wanna

:

01:24:15,111 --> 01:24:16,861

Kyle: he was like, he had his own office.

:

01:24:17,668 --> 01:24:18,448

Oh, what was it?

:

01:24:18,726 --> 01:24:20,256

Katie: wasn't It with, I feel like it was

:

01:24:20,291 --> 01:24:21,191

Kyle: It could be Suddenly Susan.

:

01:24:21,271 --> 01:24:21,561

yeah.

:

01:24:21,641 --> 01:24:22,001

I think so.

:

01:24:22,031 --> 01:24:22,321

Yeah.

:

01:24:22,446 --> 01:24:24,986

Katie: was, I feel like that's it.

:

01:24:25,666 --> 01:24:30,266

Somebody correct me if I'm thinking of the

right thing, but yeah, he, I don't know.

:

01:24:30,266 --> 01:24:31,425

He hasn't really done anything lately,

:

01:24:31,566 --> 01:24:32,376

but I could see

:

01:24:32,376 --> 01:24:33,296

him as Dallas

:

01:24:33,671 --> 01:24:33,961

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:24:34,101 --> 01:24:34,681

Oh, for,

:

01:24:34,866 --> 01:24:35,106

Katie: got that

:

01:24:35,431 --> 01:24:35,721

Kyle: yeah.

:

01:24:35,831 --> 01:24:36,121

Yeah.

:

01:24:36,181 --> 01:24:37,081

he would've been fine.

:

01:24:38,331 --> 01:24:43,091

I actually, like I said, I didn't, I

did not like Dallas and I didn't really

:

01:24:43,091 --> 01:24:45,211

like the way he was played either.

:

01:24:45,796 --> 01:24:46,016

Katie: Ah,

:

01:24:46,131 --> 01:24:48,371

Kyle: thought it was way too over

the top, like I just couldn't.

:

01:24:51,006 --> 01:24:51,686

Katie: I can see that.

:

01:24:52,036 --> 01:24:52,646

Kyle: That, that

:

01:24:52,886 --> 01:24:53,175

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:24:53,286 --> 01:24:53,766

Kyle: for Johnny.

:

01:24:53,986 --> 01:24:56,526

That's the thing that

like killed it for me.

:

01:24:59,076 --> 01:25:00,806

Katie: Yeah, I didn't

really care for that either.

:

01:25:00,826 --> 01:25:01,686

It was cringey,

:

01:25:02,546 --> 01:25:03,036

Darrell.

:

01:25:04,026 --> 01:25:04,726

So our Patrick

:

01:25:05,546 --> 01:25:06,566

Mickey Rourke

:

01:25:07,196 --> 01:25:07,276

Kyle: Hmm.

:

01:25:08,496 --> 01:25:08,786

Yeah.

:

01:25:08,946 --> 01:25:09,425

I, yeah,

:

01:25:09,596 --> 01:25:10,476

Katie: I don't like that.

:

01:25:10,916 --> 01:25:11,516

I don't like that.

:

01:25:12,776 --> 01:25:15,666

And then several people,

were considered for Pony Boy.

:

01:25:17,216 --> 01:25:18,496

Val Kilmer turned it down.

:

01:25:19,116 --> 01:25:20,656

He had a theatrical commitment.

:

01:25:21,146 --> 01:25:23,916

Timothy Hutton was also considered, as was

:

01:25:23,916 --> 01:25:27,056

Anthony Michael Hall, who also in the

:

01:25:27,096 --> 01:25:27,386

Kyle: yeah.

:

01:25:28,036 --> 01:25:30,096

Katie: And weird signs, like he's the

:

01:25:30,236 --> 01:25:30,966

Kyle: yeah, yeah, Yeah.

:

01:25:31,175 --> 01:25:31,466

Katie: that

:

01:25:31,466 --> 01:25:33,386

would've, I, could see him being Pony boy.

:

01:25:33,606 --> 01:25:33,896

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:25:34,116 --> 01:25:34,466

Katie: Maybe

:

01:25:34,576 --> 01:25:36,896

Kyle: I just like pony boys, so

he's my favorite in this movie.

:

01:25:36,996 --> 01:25:37,476

So I'd be,

:

01:25:38,216 --> 01:25:38,796

I'd I.

:

01:25:39,086 --> 01:25:39,376

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:25:39,476 --> 01:25:39,936

You like,

:

01:25:40,116 --> 01:25:41,856

Kyle: I'd have a hard

time, you know what I mean?

:

01:25:41,876 --> 01:25:44,656

If it's your favorite character, you

wouldn't, you couldn't think of swapping

:

01:25:44,656 --> 01:25:46,536

them out or like Dallas's character.

:

01:25:46,556 --> 01:25:47,776

I'm like, you could swap

'em out with whoever.

:

01:25:47,776 --> 01:25:48,456

Like, I don't care.

:

01:25:48,736 --> 01:25:49,786

Katie: yeah, whoever.

:

01:25:49,866 --> 01:25:50,266

I don't care.

:

01:25:50,486 --> 01:25:51,466

That's how I'm with Dar.

:

01:25:51,606 --> 01:25:53,386

I'm like, it has to be Patrick Swayze.

:

01:25:54,476 --> 01:26:00,282

Johnny Scott Bao was

considered, yeah, maybe.

:

01:26:01,693 --> 01:26:02,213

I think he's.

:

01:26:02,568 --> 01:26:03,653

Maybe a little, I don't know.

:

01:26:03,653 --> 01:26:03,933

Yeah.

:

01:26:04,193 --> 01:26:08,103

And then Cherry, who was played

by this stunning, Diane Lane.

:

01:26:08,433 --> 01:26:09,503

Sarah Jessica Parker

:

01:26:09,563 --> 01:26:11,343

turned it down and we talked about her.

:

01:26:11,343 --> 01:26:12,383

She was in square pegs

:

01:26:12,523 --> 01:26:14,223

Kyle: So Jessica Parker is beautiful,

:

01:26:14,883 --> 01:26:15,103

but

:

01:26:15,452 --> 01:26:15,743

Yeah.

:

01:26:16,513 --> 01:26:16,733

Katie: in

:

01:26:16,843 --> 01:26:17,133

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:17,532

Katie: way

:

01:26:17,573 --> 01:26:22,083

Kyle: really, she was like, I was a little

taken aback by how, because sometimes

:

01:26:22,233 --> 01:26:24,013

if women look kind of too dated

:

01:26:25,543 --> 01:26:26,963

for me, they're not as attractive.

:

01:26:27,973 --> 01:26:31,903

Um, like say, oh, like for instance,

like women in like . Portrayed like

:

01:26:32,098 --> 01:26:34,938

:

and stuff like that during the war.

:

01:26:35,278 --> 01:26:37,698

It reminds me of like my

grandma or something like that.

:

01:26:37,878 --> 01:26:43,098

So even though they're like way

younger, I'm just like, nah, or

:

01:26:43,098 --> 01:26:45,998

really poofy eighties hair or

something like that, bothers me.

:

01:26:45,998 --> 01:26:47,157

But man, she looked really good.

:

01:26:49,443 --> 01:26:51,543

Katie: Just the classically

:

01:26:51,608 --> 01:26:51,848

Kyle: yeah.

:

01:26:53,163 --> 01:26:54,743

Katie: but, and she's very waspy

:

01:26:54,858 --> 01:26:55,318

Kyle: Oh yeah.

:

01:26:56,993 --> 01:26:58,503

Katie: Sarah Jessica Parker is not.

:

01:26:58,638 --> 01:26:58,858

Kyle: No.

:

01:26:59,343 --> 01:27:00,643

Katie: she has a very

different look to her.

:

01:27:01,063 --> 01:27:04,643

Brooke Shields, who we just talked

about, she also, turned down the role of

:

01:27:04,643 --> 01:27:04,923

Cherry.

:

01:27:05,563 --> 01:27:06,443

could actually see her

:

01:27:07,768 --> 01:27:08,058

Kyle: Yeah.

:

01:27:08,208 --> 01:27:08,498

Same.

:

01:27:09,008 --> 01:27:09,298

Same.

:

01:27:10,813 --> 01:27:17,713

Katie: now Heather Langan camp, you

wouldn't know the name, but did you ever

:

01:27:17,713 --> 01:27:19,913

watch the movie or the TV

:

01:27:19,943 --> 01:27:20,233

show?

:

01:27:20,233 --> 01:27:20,753

Just the 10

:

01:27:20,848 --> 01:27:21,508

Kyle: No, I didn't,

:

01:27:21,763 --> 01:27:22,903

Katie: It was a spinoff of growing

:

01:27:23,208 --> 01:27:23,428

Kyle: no.

:

01:27:24,933 --> 01:27:25,153

Katie: No.

:

01:27:25,333 --> 01:27:26,273

Oh, I loved it.

:

01:27:26,773 --> 01:27:27,473

She played Marie.

:

01:27:28,353 --> 01:27:30,793

for those of you who watched just the

10 of us, she played Marie in that.

:

01:27:30,793 --> 01:27:33,073

And she was also Nancy in

a Nightmare on Elm Street.

:

01:27:34,593 --> 01:27:40,073

but she actually had a cameo, so she tried

out for the part of Cherry didn't get

:

01:27:40,073 --> 01:27:42,833

it, but was a scene that was cut from the

:

01:27:42,833 --> 01:27:45,793

movie where she was in it

as a girl at the Drive-in

:

01:27:45,963 --> 01:27:46,503

Kyle: Oh, okay.

:

01:27:46,513 --> 01:27:48,243

Katie: like another girl

at the Drive-in, yeah.

:

01:27:50,118 --> 01:27:51,157

those were some of the ones.

:

01:27:51,157 --> 01:27:52,318

There's like a ton of

:

01:27:52,338 --> 01:27:53,198

trivia, but those

:

01:27:53,198 --> 01:27:54,998

are the ones I thought you might find

:

01:27:55,293 --> 01:27:55,653

Kyle: I did.

:

01:27:56,282 --> 01:27:57,903

No, there's some good

little tidbits there.

:

01:27:57,978 --> 01:28:02,827

Katie: I, I would love to spend more

time with, these guys, this cast

:

01:28:02,827 --> 01:28:04,148

of characters, this group of guys.

:

01:28:04,148 --> 01:28:05,068

Totally my jam.

:

01:28:05,448 --> 01:28:07,668

We must now return to

the present day reality.

:

01:28:07,758 --> 01:28:08,948

Until next time,

:

01:28:09,577 --> 01:28:12,508

Kyle, it's always a pleasure to podcast

:

01:28:12,753 --> 01:28:13,363

Kyle: Yeah, you too.

:

01:28:13,798 --> 01:28:15,428

Katie: Thank you so much for joining me.

:

01:28:15,593 --> 01:28:18,343

Kyle: I thought there was some cue, you

know what we do in the other podcast?

:

01:28:18,843 --> 01:28:19,423

You are like, Kyle.

:

01:28:19,643 --> 01:28:20,503

I'm like, what?

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what am I doing,

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Katie: You're like, oh shit.

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Did I miss that?

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no.

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I was just gonna ask you if you had any

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final thoughts on the

outsiders or any plugs.

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Kyle: okay.

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Well, final thoughts

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are, it is a classic movie.

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I really enjoyed watching it.

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it brought me back to my past 'cause

I can remember how I thought about it,

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which is what I liked so much about it.

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Like it helped me connect with

my, a past version of myself.

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if you watch something you haven't

seen in so long, if that movie came out

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today and I'd never seen it before, I

probably wouldn't be the hugest fan of it.

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Uh, but it's nostalgic and it

has a, it has a piece of my heart

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that way and I think that I, it

makes you wanna read the book.

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You know,

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Katie: does.

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'

Kyle: cause I think it's probably one of those situations where the book

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actually is a lot better.

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So I think I'm pretty sure

I'm gonna read the book now.

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I'm gonna get it from the library or

whatever, and that'll be my next project.

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But it was a, it was an enjoyable

hour and a half of my time that

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I'm glad I watched it again.

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Katie: Agreed.

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Well, listeners, if you have questions,

I would love to hear them on YouTube

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Facebook page, or you can always email

me at retro Made podcast@gmail.com.

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Please don't forget to follow the

show in your podcast app and I'll

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also, on the YouTube channel.

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Kyle: do you have,

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Patreon or anything like that?

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Katie: I do not, but

there I have a tipping

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Kyle: Okay.

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Listeners, tip Katie.

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She works hard for this.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Kyle: not free.

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This equipment isn't free.

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01:29:52,608 --> 01:29:55,968

I can tell you she's renting a

better setup than other podcasts

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have been on that I won't mention.

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01:29:58,838 --> 01:30:02,178

So you know, she's doing this

for your listening Pleasure.

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So send a couple bucks Katie's way.

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And no, I was not paid to say that

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01:30:05,858 --> 01:30:08,188

Katie: Oh no you weren't.

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And that's so nice of you.

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01:30:09,728 --> 01:30:15,348

If anybody does wanna support the show

by offering a tip, there's a link, in

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the show notes as well as on, on the

website that's also in the show notes.

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01:30:19,058 --> 01:30:21,878

So, yeah, but until next time, be kind,

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Retromade
Your pop culture rewind
Welcome to the Retromade Podcast, where we take a nostalgic trip down memory lane and explore the best of the 80s and 90s pop culture.

Join us as we dive into the iconic movies, TV shows, music, fashion, cartoons, toys, and other cultural trends that defined these two decades. From the classic coming-of-age films of John Hughes to the unforgettable TV shows like The Cosby Show, Cheers, The Golden Girls, Friends, and Seinfeld; we’ll explore the moments that shaped our childhoods and continue to resonate with us today.

Get ready to reminisce about the music that dominated the charts, from the hair metal of Guns N’ Roses to the pop hits of Madonna and Michael Jackson. We’ll also take a look at the fads and trends that defined the era, from the neon colors of fashion to the boombox on every street corner.

But it’s not just about the big names and big moments. We’ll also dive deep into the lesser-known corners of 80s and 90s culture, from cult classic movies like The Breakfast Club and Big Trouble in Little China to underground bands that never quite made it big. And of course, we can’t forget the deliciously retro snacks & cereals that were a staple of our childhoods.

Join us as we explore the pop culture of the past, and discover how it still shapes our lives today. Whether you’re a child of the 80s, 90s, or just a fan of retro culture, this podcast is for you. So grab a slice of pizza, put on your favorite band t-shirt, and tune in to the Retromade Podcast.
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