Nate and Hayes, aka Savage Islands (with Tommy Lee Jones) | S2E12

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Hello.

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Hello, Katie and this is Retro

Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we're gonna sail back to 1983 for

Nate and Hayes, the pirate adventure

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you probably missed starring a

swashbuckling Tommy Lee Jones colonial

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chaos and more explosions than you'd

expect from a very forgotten film.

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I'm very excited to have returning

guest Ryan Alkin with me today.

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How's it going,

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Ryan?

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Ryan Rebalkin: It's

wonderful to be here, Katie.

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Thank you for having me on.

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Katie: Well, thanks for coming

back you purposefully picked

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this movie because you hadn't

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heard of it, right?

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Ryan Rebalkin: That's correct, yes.

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I love a challenge.

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It's like I never even heard of the film,

so I'm like John Hughes attached to this

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picture that I've never heard of before.

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Amazing.

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Sign me up.

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Katie: same.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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Katie: I never, we We'll, we'll

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get into it.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Uhhuh.

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Katie: but why don't you tell

us some of your other projects.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Well, sure.

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I won't bore your listeners too

much as if you're listening to this

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already on the Director's Chair

network, which some of you are.

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Of course.

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That's where I cover

currently Michael Mann films.

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But if you're not, if you're listening

to this on Katie's feed, the Retro

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Made Podcast, come check out with the

director's chair network at Katie's a part

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of right now with her John Hughes season

where I also covered just other directors.

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My first season was Edwards Wick and

all of his films, which Katie joined

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me on and Michael Mann films is the

current season I'm doing, which Katie

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joined me on, and then next season

I'm covering will be Terrence Melek.

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And I'm sure Katie will come

on the Terrance Melek season.

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Katie: Well, I hope so.

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Ryan Rebalkin: will.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Katie: Okay, awesome.

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Well, we are going to open

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the time capsule from 1983.

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Ryan, this is one of his earliest

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works.

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Ryan Rebalkin: 83.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's early.

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Katie: And now I usually have

this wheel that we spin, but.

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Since we've already covered, let's see,

: 1983

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categories

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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

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Katie: Mom came out in

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Ryan Rebalkin: Mm mm-hmm.

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Katie: vacation.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, wow.

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Katie: what I'm gonna do is I'm just

gonna give you some trivia questions

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from the categories that have not

already been covered from those two

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movies.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

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Well, however you want to do it.

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I don't know how I'm gonna do with my

answers, but I'll have fun playing.

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Katie: You don't get to spin for

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your categories.

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Ryan Rebalkin: That's fine.

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Katie: you.

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Ryan Rebalkin: That's fine.

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Katie: this one should be

probably the easiest one.

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It's big screen time

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machine.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Big screen time machine.

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Katie: So top five highest

grossing films in the US for: 1983

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh boy.

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Katie: if

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Ryan Rebalkin: See, I

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sure for, for sure.

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Well, I mean, it's funny 'cause I know

when you have guests come on, they're,

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some of 'em are fantastic about this

sort of stuff and I lived this time,

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like I was, you know, eight years old in

83, so I should have some sort of idea.

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But I do get a little bit lost.

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Did I see the movie in 83?

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So it was already on VHS, which

means it came out in 82 or even 81.

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83 of course was, well it was Rocky

three, so I suspect Rocky three was

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see, there you go.

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I probably saw it in VHS in 83.

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Katie: Right, right.

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Ryan Rebalkin: that was 82.

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Man, I've covered that

film a couple times.

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I say I always lose.

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Katie: Come on, Rocky

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Ryan Rebalkin: I know, I know.

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So, rock Rocky four then was 85.

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I always remember that one because

I should do the same with three.

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'cause it, you know.

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Katie: It's

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Ryan Rebalkin: It was Rocky

four, but it came out in 85.

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I should remember.

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Okay, let's come back.

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Katie: It's,

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Ryan Rebalkin: 83.

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Well, Rocky two was 83.

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Okay, well we have, oh, temple of

Doom was see, this is horrible.

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I'm doing horrible.

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I'm doing horrible.

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Katie: Okay.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Help me out.

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Gimme, gimme some clues.

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Katie: this for, so

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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Katie: number one.

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Which 19 80 83 film

directed by Richard Mark

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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

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I don't know that name.

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Okay, C, continue continue

with the next clue.

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Katie: a groundbreaking space

saga and became the highest

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grossing movie of that year.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, Jedi.

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Katie: Yeah, I

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didn't know

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Ryan Rebalkin: That was

his, what was his name?

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Holy smokes.

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I don't know the director's name.

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Isn't that crazy?

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Katie: Richard Marquand.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Whoa.

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Mandela Effect.

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Isn't that weird?

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I know.

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Lawrence Kazen directed part

two and George did part three.

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Isn't that funny?

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I wouldn't, I, in a million years

gun to my head, I would never come

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up with that name who directed Jedi.

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Katie: I've never

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even heard.

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So yeah,

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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

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Katie: of the Jedi

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Ryan Rebalkin: Of course do.

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Katie: the

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I saw that And I saw it in the theaters.

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I was a kid and I saw it in the theater.

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And I remember hating the Ewoks even then.

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Katie: I feel like I've remember knowing

about the, there was even like an

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Ewok cartoon and

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Ryan Rebalkin: There was an Ewok cartoon.

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Katie: like I did like

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about,

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh no.

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Not that we should genfy the things

that we like and don't like, but an

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8-year-old boy versus an 8-year-old

girl might be a little bit different

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than their likes back then.

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Katie: was two at this

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time,

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Ryan Rebalkin: right.

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Katie: anyway,

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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Katie: so the 83 is hard for me

'cause, you know, it was, it seems

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like so long ago.

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Ryan Rebalkin: It is a long time ago.

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Holy smokes.

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Katie: now the next one

directed by James L.

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Brooks, explores the complexities of a

mother-daughter relationship, won five

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Academy Awards, including Best Picture.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh not, no.

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James Lal.

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Bur, I know, I know him very well.

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Terms of endearment.

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Katie: Yes.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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Katie: right.

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Okay, di this next one

is directed by Adrian

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Lynn,

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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

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Katie: but you'll, you'll get it

by the Clue features a young woman

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aspiring to be a professional

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dancer known for

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Ryan Rebalkin: Flash dance.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Water

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Katie: Dancing

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It's a great song, by the way.

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That theme song.

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Katie: fun.

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I'm gonna have to give it a

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Ryan Rebalkin: remember how risque it

felt, even as a young kid, like back then,

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how risque that movie seemed to feel.

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Katie: scene and

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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But nothing's really going on.

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Like you look at music videos nowadays

or whatever, it's like nothing.

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Sauce.

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Well, also in the early eighties

there was a movie about teens

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in living in a town that they

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were prohibited from

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yes, that's right.

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Katie: 'cause it's like the devil.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Dirty dancing and

Footloose should have had a crossover.

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Some sort of universe crossover, like

those two worlds where one, one has

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that's all we do is grind on each other.

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And those students try to go to

the school where there's no dancing

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loud and watch that conflict.

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Katie: They were in different

decades, but that's okay.

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Dirty dancing was set in the

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sixties.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh gee.

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Thanks Katie.

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Nager.

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Katie: I have

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to ruin it.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, I know.

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Okay, fine.

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In this universe, we Okay.

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Look at you corrected the,

the timeline of these films.

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My Paul, you know, I haven't seen ose.

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Which one was early ose,

which one was early timeline?

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Katie: oh, dirty dancing was set

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in the sixties,

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Ryan Rebalkin: it really?

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Katie: it was

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set in the sixties,

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Ryan Rebalkin: Holy smokes.

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I, I mean, I know it came out

in the eighties, but I didn't

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even, I don't even remember.

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Isn't it so funny that it, when

it came out, it must have seemed

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like, oh, that was so long ago.

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The sixties.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Now it's been 40

years since that film came out.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: It's like us making a

film today, sturdy dancing part three,

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but it set in the two thousands.

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Katie: You're

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like, Great.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Great.

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In sync.

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I'm

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Katie: is a comedy directed by John

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Landis.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, okay.

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Katie: Do you

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know what it is?

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Ryan Rebalkin: keep going.

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Well, 80, well, not, you said

two so it's not Ghostbusters.

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That was that Landis.

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John Landis, boy.

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Sorry, I, it's gotta think.

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Could be something like

Beverly Hills Cop or

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Katie: socioeconomic backgrounds

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Ryan Rebalkin: train Places.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

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All right.

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Katie: swap their lives.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, that was pretty good.

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I did it before You said swap.

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I said Yeah.

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Katie: Number five.

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Directed by John

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Batam

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Ryan Rebalkin: Mm.

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Katie: centers on a

young computer whiz who

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh.

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Katie: hacks into

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Ryan Rebalkin: War games.

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Katie: military

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supercomputer.

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Ryan Rebalkin: such a funny movie.

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Katie: don't

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Ryan Rebalkin: So

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Katie: it.

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I don't think I've seen

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war

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Ryan Rebalkin: it's weird.

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It's a fascinating thought experiment of

a film and it was so high tech back then.

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'cause this is when the eighties

you know, hacking was just

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almost science fiction, right?

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The idea of hacking was science fiction.

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I don't know if you've

ever seen Ender's Game.

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Katie: Mm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: It, I can kind of

see where the two, if you've seen

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Ender's Game and you know, war games,

you can see how the two collide.

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I don't wanna spoil anything for

either films, so I'll leave it at that.

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Katie: Yeah.

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War games.

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Nearly triggering World

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War iii,

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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Isn't that funny?

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We're still waiting for that.

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You know, it's, I think, I think

a political World War II has

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been happening for 40 years.

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I think that's the idea.

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Katie: Yep.

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You did pretty good.

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pretty good.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Well, I, I'll do fine

with, this is the thing with trivia.

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I'll do fine.

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This is perfect.

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I love this sort of trivia,

like who's in the film?

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Let's talk about the film.

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But just remembering the

box, like oof, I don't know.

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It's all like a blur to me.

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The eighties.

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What came out in the eighties?

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Like what year?

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Katie: Which

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Ryan Rebalkin: one?

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Katie: was which?

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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Katie: So the next

category is retro runway.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Hmm.

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Katie: fashion,

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh boy.

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Katie: I'll try and pick

some easy ones here.

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The first one's

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very easy.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

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Katie: In,

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Ryan Rebalkin: Neon

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Katie: which pop icon popularized

the street urchin look

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Ryan Rebalkin: Streeter.

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You'd have to tell me what that is.

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I don't know.

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Katie: by lace

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gloves, layered

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, oh, of course.

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Madonna.

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Madonna, yeah.

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Katie: also very Cindy,

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Lauery.

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Ryan Rebalkin: City Lauper, of course.

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They both did it.

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They both did it.

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Katie: yep.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Was certainly

did it the longest.

378

: 00:11:16

Craziest compared to Madonna.

379

: 00:11:18

yeah,

380

: 00:11:18

Katie: yeah.

381

: 00:11:19

Let's see.

382

: 00:11:20

Which one could you get?

383

: 00:11:23

hmm.

384

: 00:11:25

Which former punk designer

introduced the mini cranny in: 1985

385

: 00:11:30

An abbreviated version of the

Victorian crinoline influencing the

386

: 00:11:35

Puffball skirts trend of the mid

387

: 00:11:38

1980s.

388

: 00:11:39

Ryan Rebalkin: Lauren.

389

: 00:11:41

Katie: It's

390

: 00:11:41

a woman.

391

: 00:11:42

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh I, I have no idea.

392

: 00:11:44

I really don't.

393

: 00:11:44

Katie: Vivian

394

: 00:11:45

Westwood.

395

: 00:11:46

Ryan Rebalkin: There's no way.

396

: 00:11:47

Yeah, I would've, I would've died again.

397

: 00:11:48

Gun to my head.

398

: 00:11:49

I would've died again.

399

: 00:11:49

That in Jedi, I would've died.

400

: 00:11:51

Katie: There's a few more that

you would definitely not get, so

401

: 00:11:53

we'll go on to the next category,

402

: 00:11:56

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, I'm sorry.

403

: 00:11:57

You should have had a female I

shouldn't say that, but let's be honest.

404

: 00:12:01

Most men, most men don't

track fashion design names.

405

: 00:12:05

I would say.

406

: 00:12:06

Katie: You, there's

407

: 00:12:07

Ryan Rebalkin: I don't have any guy.

408

: 00:12:08

Well, there might be some, like

I said, like Ralph Lauren or

409

: 00:12:11

whatever one Wahlberg, Calvin Klein.

410

: 00:12:14

Katie: Mm-hmm.

411

: 00:12:15

Ryan Rebalkin: But those

are men's fashions.

412

: 00:12:16

A lot of those too, so, yeah.

413

: 00:12:18

Katie: Yeah.

414

: 00:12:18

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

415

: 00:12:20

Katie: Say what, does

anything come to mind?

416

: 00:12:23

Popular

417

: 00:12:23

sayings or catchphrases?

418

: 00:12:27

Ryan Rebalkin: See, 83, I mean, I

know there was, where's the Beef?

419

: 00:12:30

But I don't even know

if that was that early.

420

: 00:12:32

I think it was a little bit later.

421

: 00:12:33

Katie: A vibrant array of

slang terms and expressions,

422

: 00:12:37

Ryan Rebalkin: boy, rad.

423

: 00:12:39

Katie: iconic sayings.

424

: 00:12:41

Ryan Rebalkin: Gimme one,

425

: 00:12:42

Katie: Rad.

426

: 00:12:43

Ryan Rebalkin: did I get it?

427

: 00:12:44

Did I say rad?

428

: 00:12:44

I said Rad.

429

: 00:12:45

Katie: did.

430

: 00:12:45

you,

431

: 00:12:46

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

432

: 00:12:47

Katie: okay,

433

: 00:12:47

Ryan Rebalkin: did.

434

: 00:12:47

Yeah.

435

: 00:12:48

Katie: rad.

436

: 00:12:48

Ryan Rebalkin: Roll back.

437

: 00:12:48

Roll back.

438

: 00:12:49

Roll back the tape.

439

: 00:12:51

Katie: I know I missed things.

440

: 00:12:52

Rad.

441

: 00:12:53

Sure.

442

: 00:12:53

For radical

443

: 00:12:54

Ryan Rebalkin: Yep.

444

: 00:12:54

Katie: to describe something cool

445

: 00:12:55

or awesome.

446

: 00:12:56

Ryan Rebalkin: Yep.

447

: 00:12:57

Katie: There's

448

: 00:12:57

several,

449

: 00:12:58

Ryan Rebalkin: Uh, Yeah.

450

: 00:12:59

Katie: by

451

: 00:13:00

surfers.

452

: 00:13:01

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

453

: 00:13:01

I thought that was later.

454

: 00:13:02

Let's do this.

455

: 00:13:03

You tell me the phrase and I'll tell you

if I used it and when about So gnarly.

456

: 00:13:06

I would, I think we, that was like,

maybe it's state side, it was earlier,

457

: 00:13:09

but Canada, that was a little bit

later, late eighties, early nineties.

458

: 00:13:13

And that, that was the

surfer culture for sure.

459

: 00:13:14

That's gnarly, dude.

460

: 00:13:16

Yeah.

461

: 00:13:17

Katie: Well, a lot

462

: 00:13:17

of things

463

: 00:13:18

Ryan Rebalkin: Skateboarders

464

: 00:13:21

Katie: Because I was, I lived

in the middle of the country, in

465

: 00:13:23

the US so it just takes longer

for things probably to get to

466

: 00:13:26

Canada and like the

467

: 00:13:27

Ryan Rebalkin: some things.

468

: 00:13:27

Some, but I watched All

American television though.

469

: 00:13:29

That's what I mean.

470

: 00:13:30

It was all American movies and television.

471

: 00:13:31

So if it was in the

films, I would've seen it.

472

: 00:13:33

But no, they, that's like Bill

and Ted's type stuff, right?

473

: 00:13:37

Yeah.

474

: 00:13:38

Katie: fast times.

475

: 00:13:38

At Ridgemont

476

: 00:13:39

High, it was early

477

: 00:13:40

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, that's true.

478

: 00:13:41

Katie: you

479

: 00:13:42

Ryan Rebalkin: That's true.

480

: 00:13:43

Katie: a lot of these sayings started

early and then they lasted for a

481

: 00:13:46

long

482

: 00:13:46

Ryan Rebalkin: Maybe that's what it is.

483

: 00:13:47

It's a teeny, it's bodacious.

484

: 00:13:49

I, I remember hearing that.

485

: 00:13:50

Yes.

486

: 00:13:50

Yes.

487

: 00:13:51

What else we got?

488

: 00:13:52

Katie: Veg

489

: 00:13:52

out

490

: 00:13:53

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

491

: 00:13:55

Well, well, yeah, I've heard of course.

492

: 00:13:57

Yeah, we used to say veg.

493

: 00:13:58

I guess that seems like

one that's never gone away.

494

: 00:14:01

All I wanna do is veg

all weekend, so Yeah.

495

: 00:14:04

Katie: like the point,

496

: 00:14:05

it's like that

497

: 00:14:06

Ryan Rebalkin: for sure.

498

: 00:14:07

That one lasted.

499

: 00:14:07

That one's lasted.

500

: 00:14:09

Okay.

501

: 00:14:09

Katie: totally.

502

: 00:14:10

Tubular

503

: 00:14:11

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

504

: 00:14:12

Totally tubular.

505

: 00:14:13

Yeah.

506

: 00:14:14

Katie: of these are

507

: 00:14:14

like come

508

: 00:14:15

Ryan Rebalkin: Skateboard of surfers.

509

: 00:14:17

Yeah.

510

: 00:14:17

Katie: Valley girl, like, gag me

511

: 00:14:18

with a spoon.

512

: 00:14:20

Ryan Rebalkin: Uh, Chill pill for sure.

513

: 00:14:22

No, we're not allowed to say

that anymore, by the way.

514

: 00:14:25

Katie: Oh,

515

: 00:14:25

you're not allowed.

516

: 00:14:26

Oh.

517

: 00:14:26

Ryan Rebalkin: That's, it's

to indicate mental health

518

: 00:14:29

like you're taking medication.

519

: 00:14:30

Isn't that funny that, that of all

the ones we just talked about, that

520

: 00:14:33

one, I forget where I heard, we

were like, oh, you're not really

521

: 00:14:35

supposed to say that anymore.

522

: 00:14:36

Take a chill pill 'cause somebody's

acting too excitable or whatever.

523

: 00:14:39

'cause there's people that deal with those

conditions that take medicine for it.

524

: 00:14:41

But yeah, whatever.

525

: 00:14:42

Come on,

526

: 00:14:43

take chill pill.

527

: 00:14:43

Hey, I like Xanax, baby.

528

: 00:14:45

Let's do it.

529

: 00:14:45

Katie: shit.

530

: 00:14:46

I'll take a chill

531

: 00:14:46

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

532

: 00:14:47

for sure, man.

533

: 00:14:48

If.

534

: 00:14:49

Off the record because, you know,

I'm just saying in an alternate

535

: 00:14:53

universe, Ryan, there you go.

536

: 00:14:54

Role play alternate universe, Ryan.

537

: 00:14:56

Think I would like Xanax.

538

: 00:14:57

I think I would take it if I had handlers,

if I was like a celebrity or something.

539

: 00:15:01

I think that might be my like, I think I

kind of run on mild anxiety in general.

540

: 00:15:06

Like I run on it, I deal with

it daily, but I'm not medicated.

541

: 00:15:09

Like I just deal with it

through jogging diet activities.

542

: 00:15:14

But it's always on me,

if that makes sense.

543

: 00:15:16

So, yeah.

544

: 00:15:17

Katie: Ai, I mean, it does.

545

: 00:15:18

Yeah.

546

: 00:15:18

I, I'm also an anxiety

547

: 00:15:20

ridden person,

548

: 00:15:21

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

549

: 00:15:21

Katie: take a Xanax.

550

: 00:15:22

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah.

551

: 00:15:24

Well,

552

: 00:15:25

Katie: next one,

553

: 00:15:26

Ryan Rebalkin: Enough.

554

: 00:15:26

Katie: Scandals,

555

: 00:15:27

Ryan Rebalkin: Ooh.

556

: 00:15:28

Okay.

557

: 00:15:29

10 F Baker.

558

: 00:15:31

Katie: I don't

559

: 00:15:31

remember when that was.

560

: 00:15:33

Ryan Rebalkin: it was 86, I think

it was a little bit later, 86, 87.

561

: 00:15:36

But

562

: 00:15:37

Katie: There was a Miss

America controversy,

563

: 00:15:41

which,

564

: 00:15:42

Ryan Rebalkin: was a man.

565

: 00:15:43

Oh, wait, that's later?

566

: 00:15:44

no,

567

: 00:15:44

Katie: I won't say who does.

568

: 00:15:45

I'll see if you can get it.

569

: 00:15:46

But in September, 1983, this Miss

America made history by becoming

570

: 00:15:51

the first African American to miss

571

: 00:15:52

America, however.

572

: 00:15:54

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

573

: 00:15:54

Vanessa Williams

574

: 00:15:55

Katie: Yep,

575

: 00:15:56

Ryan Rebalkin: and she posed nude.

576

: 00:15:58

So they, they took, yeah.

577

: 00:15:59

See, I remember that.

578

: 00:16:01

Not that I've ever

Googled that, of course.

579

: 00:16:02

But it

580

: 00:16:03

Katie: No.

581

: 00:16:04

So the nude photos, weren't

until 84, but she was crowned

582

: 00:16:08

in 83 as

583

: 00:16:09

Ryan Rebalkin: That's right.

584

: 00:16:10

Katie: American,

585

: 00:16:11

miss America.

586

: 00:16:12

Ryan Rebalkin: Boy, they

were looking for something.

587

: 00:16:13

They were just looking for something.

588

: 00:16:15

Katie: oh yeah, they

there were taken before

589

: 00:16:17

she was involved in the

590

: 00:16:19

Ryan Rebalkin: That's okay.

591

: 00:16:19

That's what I was gonna ask

if it was before or after.

592

: 00:16:21

Okay.

593

: 00:16:21

Katie: so they were, and apparently

they were published without her

594

: 00:16:24

consent in

595

: 00:16:25

Ryan Rebalkin: Of course.

596

: 00:16:26

Oh no, that's well gross.

597

: 00:16:28

Number one.

598

: 00:16:29

That's ter you know,

let's, what model has it?

599

: 00:16:31

Look, I'm not, I'm not a prude in any way.

600

: 00:16:33

If a woman wants to take a nude or a

man, of course, if people wanna take nude

601

: 00:16:37

photos of themselves, especially these

professional, it's, it wasn't smut, it was

602

: 00:16:40

probably just like Marilyn Murrow did it.

603

: 00:16:42

A lot of these actors and actresses do

those kind of sexy shoot, especially

604

: 00:16:46

before they're something that they're just

605

: 00:16:49

Katie: She was trying to make

606

: 00:16:50

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

607

: 00:16:52

Katie: of

608

: 00:16:52

Ryan Rebalkin: Nude modeling is

very, and the irony now is you have

609

: 00:16:56

actors and actresses just taking off

their colds willy-nilly anyways on TV

610

: 00:16:59

Katie: Mm-hmm.

611

: 00:17:00

Ryan Rebalkin: with her

permission to consent.

612

: 00:17:01

So the fact that she had hers sold

to a magazine without consent is, is,

613

: 00:17:04

and then she gets punished for it.

614

: 00:17:06

Isn't that amazing?

615

: 00:17:07

Katie: Yep.

616

: 00:17:07

Yep.

617

: 00:17:07

It

618

: 00:17:08

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

619

: 00:17:09

Katie: her objections, the Miss America

Organization pressured her to resign,

620

: 00:17:14

Ryan Rebalkin: Wow.

621

: 00:17:15

Katie: and she did, leading to

Suzette Charles, assuming the title.

622

: 00:17:20

Ryan Rebalkin: How does Suzette feel?

623

: 00:17:21

I wonder I mean, did she go, yay I won,

or was it kind of like, oh, cool, I guess

624

: 00:17:25

I wonder which side she was on with that.

625

: 00:17:27

Oh,

626

: 00:17:29

Katie: you know,

627

: 00:17:29

Ryan Rebalkin: because

you're a default one.

628

: 00:17:30

You're, you're,

629

: 00:17:31

Katie: so,

630

: 00:17:32

Ryan Rebalkin: I guess,

631

: 00:17:32

Katie: don't know.

632

: 00:17:33

But yeah, so the incident

sparked discussions on privacy,

633

: 00:17:36

consent, and racial tensions,

634

: 00:17:39

Ryan Rebalkin: it did that.

635

: 00:17:41

I mean, it could be worse.

636

: 00:17:41

At least it did some sort of,

sometimes outta these things does come

637

: 00:17:45

discussion to the public, so things

are discussed, but, and I think Vanessa

638

: 00:17:49

did okay with the rest of her life.

639

: 00:17:51

I think she did fine, didn't she?

640

: 00:17:53

Katie: yeah.

641

: 00:17:53

Yeah.

642

: 00:17:54

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

643

: 00:17:54

Katie: she's

644

: 00:17:55

Ryan Rebalkin: How old is she now?

645

: 00:17:57

Sorry.

646

: 00:17:57

Sidetracked.

647

: 00:17:59

She must be

648

: 00:18:01

Katie: She has a very unique

649

: 00:18:02

look to her.

650

: 00:18:03

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

651

: 00:18:03

Katie: she has colored eyes,

652

: 00:18:04

right?

653

: 00:18:05

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, I've

seen her in movies and stuff.

654

: 00:18:07

Like I've,

655

: 00:18:08

Katie: Yeah.

656

: 00:18:08

Ryan Rebalkin: of course

I know who she is.

657

: 00:18:09

She's 62.

658

: 00:18:10

Good job.

659

: 00:18:11

But I've enjoyed her and

stuff, is what I'm saying.

660

: 00:18:12

I just one of those names,

you're like, oh, of course.

661

: 00:18:14

But then you're like, oh yeah,

I've seen her in lots of stuff.

662

: 00:18:16

Yeah.

663

: 00:18:17

Okay.

664

: 00:18:18

Done very well for you.

665

: 00:18:18

She's fine.

666

: 00:18:19

She's been busy on TV theater.

667

: 00:18:22

I, boy, she's, the last thing

she has to worry about is

668

: 00:18:26

not having that stupid crown.

669

: 00:18:27

Katie: Right.

670

: 00:18:28

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah,

671

: 00:18:29

Katie: But I think that's where she got

672

: 00:18:30

her start because of the

673

: 00:18:31

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

674

: 00:18:31

Katie: passion.

675

: 00:18:32

Yeah.

676

: 00:18:32

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, for sure.

677

: 00:18:33

Yeah

678

: 00:18:34

I knew there was a show that I saw

a lot of of her, and she was great

679

: 00:18:37

in Desperate Housewife, by the way.

680

: 00:18:38

Desperate Housewives.

681

: 00:18:39

Guilty pleasure.

682

: 00:18:40

I don't care.

683

: 00:18:40

My wife and I watched that series.

684

: 00:18:42

It is such a fantastic

drama, comedy, drama series.

685

: 00:18:44

I love it.

686

: 00:18:45

By the way, I, yeah.

687

: 00:18:46

Katie: remember that was it

got a lot of, of award that

688

: 00:18:49

Mark Cherry,

689

: 00:18:50

Ryan Rebalkin: Yep.

690

: 00:18:50

Katie: created it didn't, because they won

a bunch of Emmys, like their first year, I

691

: 00:18:54

wanna say.

692

: 00:18:55

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

693

: 00:18:55

Katie: it, reinvigorated a lot of

those actresses careers, like all

694

: 00:19:00

those actresses were kind of like, kind

695

: 00:19:02

of already gone by the

696

: 00:19:03

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

697

: 00:19:04

Katie: yeah, it was

698

: 00:19:05

great.

699

: 00:19:06

Ryan Rebalkin: It's one of the

few shows that we binged it on

700

: 00:19:08

DVD and I didn't want At to End.

701

: 00:19:10

It was one of the few shows where I

was legit, like, didn't feel burnt out.

702

: 00:19:12

It's, it was that good?

703

: 00:19:13

Yeah.

704

: 00:19:13

That's where housewife plug.

705

: 00:19:14

You gotta here folks.

706

: 00:19:16

Katie: You got hot.

707

: 00:19:17

Take one of the

708

: 00:19:18

Ryan Rebalkin: Hot take.

709

: 00:19:19

Katie: of

710

: 00:19:19

Ryan Rebalkin: How dare you.

711

: 00:19:20

How dare you say Hot Take sarcastically.

712

: 00:19:23

Katie: Uh,

713

: 00:19:23

Ryan Rebalkin: All right.

714

: 00:19:24

All right.

715

: 00:19:25

Katie: Okay.

716

: 00:19:25

Let's, let's do a couple more questions.

717

: 00:19:27

From fad, flashback,

718

: 00:19:30

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh boy.

719

: 00:19:31

Katie: phenomenons, right?

720

: 00:19:33

That

721

: 00:19:33

were fads.

722

: 00:19:34

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

723

: 00:19:36

Katie: Which fitness craze featuring

high impact aerobics and neon colored

724

: 00:19:40

workout gear exploded in popularity in 83.

725

: 00:19:43

Thanks to celebrities like Jane Fonda.

726

: 00:19:48

Ryan Rebalkin: Jazzer or,

727

: 00:19:50

Katie: yeah, like the answer's

kind of dumb, but you're right.

728

: 00:19:52

It's just like aerobics culture,

729

: 00:19:55

workout culture.

730

: 00:19:57

Ryan Rebalkin: Richard

Simmons did it and Yeah.

731

: 00:20:00

Yeah,

732

: 00:20:00

Katie: on tv, like a lot of sitcoms,

733

: 00:20:03

they'd have episodes where the

people would be in their workout

734

: 00:20:06

gear and there'd be an

735

: 00:20:07

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

736

: 00:20:07

The sweatbands on the wrists and stuff.

737

: 00:20:09

Yeah.

738

: 00:20:10

Katie: warmers.

739

: 00:20:11

Ryan Rebalkin: Do you wanna

hear the, you want to hear the

740

: 00:20:12

secret to losing weight folks?

741

: 00:20:14

And I'm not a professional.

742

: 00:20:15

Wanna hear the secret?

743

: 00:20:16

Katie: Is this

744

: 00:20:16

another hot take?

745

: 00:20:17

Ryan Rebalkin: Another hot take.

746

: 00:20:18

Okay.

747

: 00:20:19

Put this, yeah.

748

: 00:20:20

You should have to do hot

take moments with Ryan.

749

: 00:20:22

A hot, a hot take calorie in, calorie out.

750

: 00:20:25

Go figure.

751

: 00:20:25

You know, if you store more in your

body than you output, guess what?

752

: 00:20:29

Guess what happens?

753

: 00:20:30

Any, any guesses?

754

: 00:20:31

Okay.

755

: 00:20:32

Katie: I couldn't, I

756

: 00:20:32

couldn't,

757

: 00:20:33

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

758

: 00:20:33

Katie: know.

759

: 00:20:34

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

760

: 00:20:35

So I, it's just funny.

761

: 00:20:36

All these years, all these fads, all

these books is all you have to do guys

762

: 00:20:39

is eat properly and do a little bit

of exercise, calorie and calorie out.

763

: 00:20:43

And I'm not a professional.

764

: 00:20:44

I'm just saying that would

be my advice, but yeah.

765

: 00:20:48

Katie: You know, I mean,

to your point, this is a

766

: 00:20:50

aerobics,

767

: 00:20:51

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure.

768

: 00:20:52

Absolutely.

769

: 00:20:52

That, that's what I mean.

770

: 00:20:53

It doesn't matter what you call it.

771

: 00:20:54

Jazzercise, skateboarding, biking,

walking, like all these things are good.

772

: 00:20:59

Yeah.

773

: 00:20:59

Alright.

774

: 00:21:00

Join us next week when we, yeah.

775

: 00:21:04

Katie: Oh my God.

776

: 00:21:04

Okay.

777

: 00:21:05

What, 1983 fashion trend featured,

oversized, brightly colored clothing,

778

: 00:21:09

chunky accessories and eccentric

hairstyles becoming a symbol of

779

: 00:21:14

youth rebellion and self-expression.

780

: 00:21:16

Ryan Rebalkin: Like punk.

781

: 00:21:19

Katie: It,

782

: 00:21:19

Ryan Rebalkin: Wow.

783

: 00:21:19

Katie: I don't think the

descriptor here is very good.

784

: 00:21:22

It's

785

: 00:21:22

Ryan Rebalkin: Hmm.

786

: 00:21:24

Katie: here's an example

of it, and there's a name

787

: 00:21:27

for what it is.

788

: 00:21:28

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

789

: 00:21:28

Katie: suits, casual

790

: 00:21:30

Ryan Rebalkin: color.

791

: 00:21:30

Oh, pastel.

792

: 00:21:32

Katie: TV show.

793

: 00:21:34

Ryan Rebalkin: Vice.

794

: 00:21:34

Katie: Yeah.

795

: 00:21:35

It's like,

796

: 00:21:35

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

797

: 00:21:36

Yeah.

798

: 00:21:36

Katie: like the Miami Vice

799

: 00:21:37

style, like

800

: 00:21:38

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, I never,

801

: 00:21:39

well, you know, to be

fair, that show was huge.

802

: 00:21:41

I loved that show.

803

: 00:21:42

I watched that show and was such a,

I probably didn't even understand

804

: 00:21:46

what I was watching 'cause it was

pretty young when I watched it.

805

: 00:21:48

But it was just so cool to look at as

a, again, as a young boy, you know, see

806

: 00:21:51

the cars and the woman and the setups

and Don Johnson was just so cool.

807

: 00:21:55

So swab, yeah.

808

: 00:21:58

Katie: I am very aware of Miami

Vice, but I don't know if I've

809

: 00:22:02

seen an entire episode of it.

810

: 00:22:04

Ryan Rebalkin: Standby folks.

811

: 00:22:05

If you come join the Michael Mann

season, we'll be covering the creator

812

: 00:22:08

of Miami Vice and his film version

of that on Michael Mann, Miami Vice.

813

: 00:22:12

Katie: create the TV

814

: 00:22:13

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

815

: 00:22:14

Katie: Oh, okay.

816

: 00:22:16

did not know

817

: 00:22:17

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, yeah.

818

: 00:22:18

That's totally his that's his stylings.

819

: 00:22:20

Once you get to know him a little bit

as a director, that's, you can see how

820

: 00:22:23

he would be the creator of that look.

821

: 00:22:24

Katie: yeah, yeah.

822

: 00:22:26

Good.

823

: 00:22:26

Good point.

824

: 00:22:28

Ryan Rebalkin: Yep.

825

: 00:22:28

Katie: Alright.

826

: 00:22:28

There's a product phenomenon.

827

: 00:22:31

1983, a round piece of plastic with two

handles became a craze that gripped the

828

: 00:22:37

nation as children and adults alike.

829

: 00:22:39

Challenged each other

with its spinning tricks.

830

: 00:22:43

Ryan Rebalkin: What say

the description again

831

: 00:22:44

Katie: Yeah, I don't know.

832

: 00:22:46

Ryan Rebalkin: a

833

: 00:22:46

' Katie: em maybe had

handles but they don't.

834

: 00:22:47

A round piece of plastic spinning tricks.

835

: 00:22:52

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, yo-yo.

836

: 00:22:54

No.

837

: 00:22:54

Katie: It was a revival

of an earlier craze.

838

: 00:22:58

What was

839

: 00:22:59

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh,

840

: 00:22:59

Katie: What was the thing that

you, what was the round piece of

841

: 00:23:03

plastic called?

842

: 00:23:04

Ryan Rebalkin: the H hoop.

843

: 00:23:05

Katie: Yeah,

844

: 00:23:06

Ryan Rebalkin: That's it.

845

: 00:23:06

Oh, okay.

846

: 00:23:07

Sorry.

847

: 00:23:08

Katie: who.

848

: 00:23:08

Yeah.

849

: 00:23:09

So the answer is the hula hoop

850

: 00:23:11

revival.

851

: 00:23:12

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, sure.

852

: 00:23:12

I do remember that doing that

as a kid and it felt so great

853

: 00:23:15

to be able to accomplish it.

854

: 00:23:16

It was actually legit.

855

: 00:23:17

I remember being younger

than I, I'm doing it.

856

: 00:23:20

Katie: I was always good at the

857

: 00:23:21

hula hoop.

858

: 00:23:22

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, wow.

859

: 00:23:23

Katie: yeah.

860

: 00:23:23

But it, there

861

: 00:23:24

Ryan Rebalkin: I

862

: 00:23:24

Katie: challenges, I

863

: 00:23:25

guess.

864

: 00:23:26

Ryan Rebalkin: Remember skipping it.

865

: 00:23:27

You skip, you'd use it depending

on the size of the hula hoop.

866

: 00:23:29

Did you ever do that?

867

: 00:23:29

You skipped through the hole.

868

: 00:23:30

Yeah.

869

: 00:23:30

yeah,

870

: 00:23:31

Katie: Jump rope through

871

: 00:23:32

Ryan Rebalkin: Yep.

872

: 00:23:33

Katie: but yeah, I don't recall

the challenge because I was too, at

873

: 00:23:37

this time, but I guess in the early

874

: 00:23:39

eighties it, it was

875

: 00:23:40

Ryan Rebalkin: Just

876

: 00:23:40

Katie: phenomenon to do

877

: 00:23:42

Ryan Rebalkin: how long

you could do it for?

878

: 00:23:43

Probably.

879

: 00:23:43

That's probably, it must have been time.

880

: 00:23:45

How long you can keep it up for.

881

: 00:23:47

Keep it up for, that's, that's

my challenge now when I'm 50.

882

: 00:23:53

Katie: Okay.

883

: 00:23:53

Last one.

884

: 00:23:54

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

885

: 00:23:55

Katie: watercraft trend gained?

886

: 00:23:57

Widespread popularity,

symbolizing carefree, summer fun

887

: 00:24:00

and beach culture.

888

: 00:24:02

Ryan Rebalkin: what?

889

: 00:24:03

Water gun fights or slip and slides or,

890

: 00:24:05

Katie: Personal watercraft.

891

: 00:24:07

Ryan Rebalkin: oh, jet skis.

892

: 00:24:10

Katie: Yeah.

893

: 00:24:11

Jet

894

: 00:24:11

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, is that,

is that when they came out?

895

: 00:24:12

Okay.

896

: 00:24:13

Well, that's fair.

897

: 00:24:13

I guess they probably weren't se Yeah.

898

: 00:24:15

I guess they weren't a seventies thing.

899

: 00:24:16

Yeah.

900

: 00:24:16

Fair enough.

901

: 00:24:17

Yeah.

902

: 00:24:17

Have you ever been on one?

903

: 00:24:19

Katie: I have

904

: 00:24:19

not been

905

: 00:24:20

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, really?

906

: 00:24:21

Katie: I know.

907

: 00:24:21

It's kind of

908

: 00:24:22

wild.

909

: 00:24:23

Ryan Rebalkin: It, they're,

they're, they're fun.

910

: 00:24:24

They're fun.

911

: 00:24:24

It's, it's a fun, it's a weird concept.

912

: 00:24:27

You just go out and you go fast on

the water and then you come back.

913

: 00:24:31

It's a, you don't really go anywhere.

914

: 00:24:33

You just literally, 'cause it's

like you usually rent them.

915

: 00:24:35

Right?

916

: 00:24:36

So you just kind of just, yeah.

917

: 00:24:38

Katie: Well, and I think I confuse

everybody who lives in like a along

918

: 00:24:42

the water who maybe owns them.

919

: 00:24:43

I, I think I get them confused

because there's seadoos and Jet

920

: 00:24:48

Ryan Rebalkin: a lot of

different versions of them.

921

: 00:24:49

Sure.

922

: 00:24:49

Yeah.

923

: 00:24:50

It's like saying a motorcycle

and there's quads and there's

924

: 00:24:52

Yeah, exactly.

925

: 00:24:53

Katie: some, yeah,

926

: 00:24:55

Ryan Rebalkin: You can usually when I

think of a jet ski, I know it says ski.

927

: 00:25:00

I just think of the ones you

do sit on and you just, yeah.

928

: 00:25:02

yeah, yeah.

929

: 00:25:04

Katie: right?

930

: 00:25:04

Yeah.

931

: 00:25:05

Okay.

932

: 00:25:06

Alright.

933

: 00:25:07

Ryan Rebalkin: Wow.

934

: 00:25:07

The eighties is fun.

935

: 00:25:08

That's all this, all this does for me.

936

: 00:25:09

Katie: capsule.

937

: 00:25:10

Ryan Rebalkin: It just reminds

me of how fun the eighties were.

938

: 00:25:12

This is what this does,

this is why so retro.

939

: 00:25:15

Katie: Yeah.

940

: 00:25:16

So we've set the stage for the,

for this movie that I guarantee

941

: 00:25:19

nobody has seen for you and I.

942

: 00:25:22

Now

943

: 00:25:23

so

944

: 00:25:24

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

945

: 00:25:24

I'd be surprised

946

: 00:25:25

Katie: and Hayes.

947

: 00:25:33

This

948

: 00:25:33

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

949

: 00:25:34

Katie: I was kind of sur surprised.

950

: 00:25:34

I guess 83 was before.

951

: 00:25:38

There was PG 13,

952

: 00:25:39

so it was

953

: 00:25:40

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

954

: 00:25:40

Are, are we getting to that right away?

955

: 00:25:42

Are we are we starting off

that discussion right away?

956

: 00:25:44

How do you wanna get into that?

957

: 00:25:44

Katie: We'll kind of

958

: 00:25:45

introduce people

959

: 00:25:46

to

960

: 00:25:46

Ryan Rebalkin: okay.

961

: 00:25:47

Katie: first.

962

: 00:25:48

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure,

963

: 00:25:48

Katie: rated PG and it came

th,: 1983

964

: 00:25:52

But I have thoughts about it's

965

: 00:25:53

rating.

966

: 00:25:54

Speaking of ratings, it's a 6.1,

967

: 00:25:57

which is higher than I

would've thought for an unknown

968

: 00:26:01

movie.

969

: 00:26:03

Ryan Rebalkin: But that's a fair reign.

970

: 00:26:04

I think that's a cult following rating.

971

: 00:26:05

I, I would say that's a fair rating.

972

: 00:26:08

I,

973

: 00:26:09

I would almost give it, it depends

where you're looking at it.

974

: 00:26:12

I know we're not quite giving a review

yet, but we're talking about the rating.

975

: 00:26:15

I would almost say it's a solid

seven if you're going in at it

976

: 00:26:18

with what the f am I watching?

977

: 00:26:20

But I'm having a blast.

978

: 00:26:21

Katie: Mm-hmm.

979

: 00:26:22

Ryan Rebalkin: If that makes sense.

980

: 00:26:23

I just ended up, I, I let myself go

and I was just like, because there

981

: 00:26:26

was moments in the film, which we'll

get to of course, where I was like,

982

: 00:26:28

I can't believe we're doing this.

983

: 00:26:29

I can't believe this happened.

984

: 00:26:31

So those for me as a, I was entertained.

985

: 00:26:34

I wasn't bored.

986

: 00:26:35

Katie: Yeah.

987

: 00:26:36

I had no idea, like zero

988

: 00:26:39

expectation.

989

: 00:26:40

I

990

: 00:26:40

Ryan Rebalkin: I no trailer.

991

: 00:26:41

Did you watch a trailer or nothing?

992

: 00:26:42

I just went blind.

993

: 00:26:43

I did the same.

994

: 00:26:45

Katie: And then we will get

into it, but I was like, oh,

995

: 00:26:47

it's supposed to be funny, you

996

: 00:26:49

know,

997

: 00:26:49

Ryan Rebalkin: oh.

998

: 00:26:50

Oh, okay.

999

: 00:26:51

Well let's just keep going.

: 1000

00:26:51,918 --> 00:26:52,248

Yeah.

: 1001

00:26:52,248 --> 00:26:52,878

That, yeah.

: 1002

00:26:53,838 --> 00:26:54,678

Hilarious.

: 1003

00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:58,533

Katie: well, because yeah, you,

because I'm like, oh, it's like a

: 1004

00:26:58,533 --> 00:26:59,613

swashbuckling,

: 1005

00:26:59,613 --> 00:27:00,033

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 1006

00:27:00,123 --> 00:27:01,023

Katie: we're we're set in the

: 1007

00:27:01,023 --> 00:27:02,283

18 hundreds, like

: 1008

00:27:02,283 --> 00:27:02,573

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure.

: 1009

00:27:02,853 --> 00:27:02,973

Katie: and

: 1010

00:27:02,973 --> 00:27:03,483

pirates.

: 1011

00:27:03,483 --> 00:27:04,113

And so I thought,

: 1012

00:27:04,308 --> 00:27:04,638

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1013

00:27:04,683 --> 00:27:05,883

Katie: be like more serious.

: 1014

00:27:05,883 --> 00:27:06,813

But no, it's a

: 1015

00:27:06,813 --> 00:27:08,463

comedy actually.

: 1016

00:27:08,538 --> 00:27:09,618

Ryan Rebalkin: I did okay.

: 1017

00:27:09,708 --> 00:27:12,108

Is it a comedy 'cause that's what

they thought they were making?

: 1018

00:27:12,108 --> 00:27:12,708

Or is it a comedy?

: 1019

00:27:12,708 --> 00:27:13,698

'cause you were laughing.

: 1020

00:27:14,203 --> 00:27:15,553

Katie: I smiled a few times.

: 1021

00:27:15,553 --> 00:27:15,673

I

: 1022

00:27:15,943 --> 00:27:16,423

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1023

00:27:16,663 --> 00:27:18,283

Katie: instances where it

was like, oh, that's cute.

: 1024

00:27:18,283 --> 00:27:18,763

That's funny.

: 1025

00:27:18,763 --> 00:27:20,293

That's witty.

: 1026

00:27:20,663 --> 00:27:24,143

But the genres listed on

IMDB are swashbuckler,

: 1027

00:27:24,203 --> 00:27:24,473

which I

: 1028

00:27:24,563 --> 00:27:26,183

Ryan Rebalkin: That's, that, that, yeah.

: 1029

00:27:26,183 --> 00:27:29,093

Well that's a fair that you think

of pirates as the Caribbean is,

: 1030

00:27:29,093 --> 00:27:30,743

is a very popular example of that.

: 1031

00:27:30,743 --> 00:27:31,493

So there you go.

: 1032

00:27:32,033 --> 00:27:32,903

Katie: Swashbuckler

: 1033

00:27:32,903 --> 00:27:37,103

action, adventure, comedy and romance.

: 1034

00:27:37,973 --> 00:27:40,763

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, I, well,

sure, like romance of the stone,

: 1035

00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:43,973

well, a little romance of the stone

ish type romance in that setting.

: 1036

00:27:44,453 --> 00:27:46,583

But let me, there's a

quote here, right here.

: 1037

00:27:46,663 --> 00:27:50,368

It's on the Wikipedia one of the

people involved in the film, I think

: 1038

00:27:50,368 --> 00:27:52,018

was either the writer and or director.

: 1039

00:27:52,018 --> 00:27:55,858

He, he actually said that

he was making a comedy,

: 1040

00:27:55,903 --> 00:27:56,323

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1041

00:27:57,868 --> 00:27:59,908

Ryan Rebalkin: and I'm like.

: 1042

00:28:00,358 --> 00:28:01,108

Katie: Indiana Jones

: 1043

00:28:01,108 --> 00:28:01,618

esque.

: 1044

00:28:01,783 --> 00:28:05,173

Ryan Rebalkin: okay, so here's

the, no, here's the comedy.

: 1045

00:28:05,863 --> 00:28:06,973

I guess we have to get into it.

: 1046

00:28:07,063 --> 00:28:08,953

There's no other way

to describe the comedy.

: 1047

00:28:09,643 --> 00:28:11,713

There is a lot of bloodshed in this film.

: 1048

00:28:11,878 --> 00:28:12,268

Katie: Yeah.

: 1049

00:28:12,673 --> 00:28:13,063

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay?

: 1050

00:28:13,153 --> 00:28:13,903

Like A

: 1051

00:28:13,903 --> 00:28:14,773

bo body count.

: 1052

00:28:14,773 --> 00:28:16,423

And I don't mean body count sexually kids.

: 1053

00:28:16,423 --> 00:28:18,463

So I'm talking about old

school eighties body count.

: 1054

00:28:18,463 --> 00:28:19,933

Well, we said body count

back in the eighties.

: 1055

00:28:20,293 --> 00:28:21,043

Oh, right here, here.

: 1056

00:28:21,043 --> 00:28:27,003

He said the director, RNA Dad

Fairfax he did some TV work.

: 1057

00:28:27,483 --> 00:28:32,283

He said, Fairfax described the film as

a tongue in cheek adventure in the style

: 1058

00:28:32,283 --> 00:28:34,293

of Butch Cassidy and the SS kid quote.

: 1059

00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:37,653

I'm not making carry on pirates

or anything like that, but I

: 1060

00:28:37,653 --> 00:28:39,543

think it'll be a very funny film.

: 1061

00:28:40,053 --> 00:28:42,123

Very funny film.

: 1062

00:28:42,303 --> 00:28:44,913

It is not funny at all, and I

don't mean that in a bad way.

: 1063

00:28:44,913 --> 00:28:50,763

What I'm getting at is when they killed,

they would smirk and glee at the death the

: 1064

00:28:50,763 --> 00:28:55,263

way Jason Vorhees does on Friday the 13th,

like the, the death count in this film.

: 1065

00:28:55,818 --> 00:28:59,598

That's the only parts they laugh or jovial

about is, oh, we just killed more people.

: 1066

00:28:59,868 --> 00:29:01,818

It's a weird that that's the smirking.

: 1067

00:29:01,818 --> 00:29:02,838

It's an odd thing.

: 1068

00:29:03,018 --> 00:29:06,508

They're only funny when it

comes to watch the film again.

: 1069

00:29:06,508 --> 00:29:09,388

Every time they smirk or laugh or kind of

shrugged their shoulders at the audience.

: 1070

00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:09,778

Ha.

: 1071

00:29:10,168 --> 00:29:12,508

It's after the, it's

after a kill or near kill,

: 1072

00:29:13,008 --> 00:29:14,983

Katie: Yeah, but it's like

a, a wink and a nod to

: 1073

00:29:14,983 --> 00:29:16,213

us, you know?

: 1074

00:29:16,648 --> 00:29:17,008

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1075

00:29:17,068 --> 00:29:17,908

But it's not,

: 1076

00:29:18,013 --> 00:29:18,523

Katie: to be.

: 1077

00:29:18,523 --> 00:29:22,153

It's, it's, it's, it's so

outlandishly ridiculous.

: 1078

00:29:22,153 --> 00:29:22,723

That's why it's

: 1079

00:29:22,948 --> 00:29:24,088

Ryan Rebalkin: but it's not even that out.

: 1080

00:29:24,088 --> 00:29:24,298

Okay.

: 1081

00:29:24,298 --> 00:29:26,188

Here's an outlandish

for, you know, kill bill.

: 1082

00:29:26,188 --> 00:29:26,308

Right?

: 1083

00:29:26,308 --> 00:29:27,388

And this is kind of off top.

: 1084

00:29:27,388 --> 00:29:29,458

It's not, think of the

violence and kill bill.

: 1085

00:29:29,488 --> 00:29:33,798

Now that's brutally violent, but that

is over the top in the sense of me,

: 1086

00:29:33,798 --> 00:29:37,098

the scene where Lucy Lu's character

runs across the table, chops off that

: 1087

00:29:37,488 --> 00:29:37,908

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1088

00:29:37,938 --> 00:29:40,038

Ryan Rebalkin: Japanese boss's

head and the found of blood

: 1089

00:29:40,038 --> 00:29:41,118

comes out that's over the top.

: 1090

00:29:41,118 --> 00:29:45,258

It's so crazy over the, even though

it's bloody, it's so crazy over the top,

: 1091

00:29:45,258 --> 00:29:47,568

it's obvious that it's over the, you

know, it's so obvious that it's over.

: 1092

00:29:47,568 --> 00:29:48,768

The top heads don't do that.

: 1093

00:29:48,768 --> 00:29:49,548

Bodies don't do that.

: 1094

00:29:49,658 --> 00:29:49,818

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1095

00:29:50,418 --> 00:29:51,708

Ryan Rebalkin: This was okay.

: 1096

00:29:51,768 --> 00:29:55,338

When the character, Nathaniel and

his beautiful bride were about to get

: 1097

00:29:55,338 --> 00:29:58,668

married, this was the first time we're

like, holy, where's this film going?

: 1098

00:29:58,668 --> 00:30:02,148

Other than the opening secrets, which we

can get, get to as well, but the preacher

: 1099

00:30:02,148 --> 00:30:03,408

and his wife get shot in the head.

: 1100

00:30:04,318 --> 00:30:04,608

Katie: Well,

: 1101

00:30:04,758 --> 00:30:05,328

it's, yeah,

: 1102

00:30:05,568 --> 00:30:06,618

Ryan Rebalkin: I, but I was like, ho.

: 1103

00:30:06,618 --> 00:30:07,908

But I was like, it's start.

: 1104

00:30:07,908 --> 00:30:09,978

And I didn't know Katie,

it's startled to me.

: 1105

00:30:10,158 --> 00:30:10,608

I was like,

: 1106

00:30:10,743 --> 00:30:10,833

Katie: You're

: 1107

00:30:10,878 --> 00:30:12,048

Ryan Rebalkin: their heads get blown off.

: 1108

00:30:12,108 --> 00:30:15,348

They're at a wedding, cer they're,

they're at a wedding ceremony and

: 1109

00:30:15,348 --> 00:30:17,868

they get, they get slaughtered.

: 1110

00:30:18,453 --> 00:30:18,783

Katie: Yeah.

: 1111

00:30:18,783 --> 00:30:19,743

But that's, it's

: 1112

00:30:19,833 --> 00:30:21,033

that it is meant

: 1113

00:30:21,048 --> 00:30:21,978

Ryan Rebalkin: That's hilarious.

: 1114

00:30:22,008 --> 00:30:22,248

Oh, it's

: 1115

00:30:22,353 --> 00:30:22,653

Katie: it

: 1116

00:30:23,328 --> 00:30:23,958

Ryan Rebalkin: no, but is that

: 1117

00:30:24,123 --> 00:30:26,533

Katie: like it's ridiculous.

: 1118

00:30:26,563 --> 00:30:27,193

Like it's so.

: 1119

00:30:28,523 --> 00:30:28,658

Ryan Rebalkin: I, I

: 1120

00:30:29,158 --> 00:30:29,398

Katie: The,

: 1121

00:30:29,518 --> 00:30:30,088

Ryan Rebalkin: but I never,

: 1122

00:30:30,663 --> 00:30:32,998

Katie: The, the absurdity is the comedic

: 1123

00:30:32,998 --> 00:30:33,598

element.

: 1124

00:30:34,318 --> 00:30:36,118

Ryan Rebalkin: I guess, but

: 1125

00:30:36,208 --> 00:30:37,048

Katie: that, that's what you're getting

: 1126

00:30:37,048 --> 00:30:37,648

into.

: 1127

00:30:37,708 --> 00:30:38,128

Same.

: 1128

00:30:38,158 --> 00:30:38,668

Ryan Rebalkin: no.

: 1129

00:30:38,818 --> 00:30:38,968

Okay.

: 1130

00:30:38,968 --> 00:30:39,868

That part's true.

: 1131

00:30:40,168 --> 00:30:41,848

Katie: I didn't know what

I was getting in for.

: 1132

00:30:41,848 --> 00:30:44,968

And like within the first

five minutes I'm like, oh wow.

: 1133

00:30:45,048 --> 00:30:47,398

So many people die.

: 1134

00:30:47,398 --> 00:30:50,218

And like even in the, the first scene when

: 1135

00:30:50,218 --> 00:30:50,608

the,

: 1136

00:30:51,358 --> 00:30:52,108

Ryan Rebalkin: His whole crew.

: 1137

00:30:52,408 --> 00:30:53,218

Katie: tribe,

: 1138

00:30:53,758 --> 00:30:53,938

the

: 1139

00:30:54,058 --> 00:30:54,358

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, it's,

: 1140

00:30:54,508 --> 00:30:55,228

Katie: woman

: 1141

00:30:55,378 --> 00:30:55,858

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

: 1142

00:30:56,488 --> 00:31:00,268

Katie: and she just like accidentally

shoots some of her people and

: 1143

00:31:00,268 --> 00:31:01,558

they're like, oh, that's hilarious.

: 1144

00:31:02,848 --> 00:31:05,848

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay, well let's talk

about, so Tommy Lee Jones character brings

: 1145

00:31:05,848 --> 00:31:07,828

guns to this, I dunno how else to say it.

: 1146

00:31:07,828 --> 00:31:10,858

So I don't mean anything disparaging

here, but a native tribe of this island.

: 1147

00:31:10,948 --> 00:31:15,228

And of course the people in the film,

all the natives to the island talk

: 1148

00:31:15,528 --> 00:31:19,638

the, the like me, me strong, you

weak, like that kind of language oh

: 1149

00:31:19,638 --> 00:31:20,988

boy, you know, the very eighties.

: 1150

00:31:21,108 --> 00:31:22,518

What else do you expect

in the eighties of that?

: 1151

00:31:22,518 --> 00:31:24,788

Kind of like the broken

English from the natives.

: 1152

00:31:25,808 --> 00:31:30,098

So Tommy Lee's, he's gonna exchange guns

for money or gold or whatever it is.

: 1153

00:31:30,368 --> 00:31:33,518

Give them guns for their fighting

and he's gonna be a gold, but she

: 1154

00:31:33,518 --> 00:31:35,078

double cross 'em, takes the weapons.

: 1155

00:31:35,438 --> 00:31:36,368

But this is what I'm getting at.

: 1156

00:31:36,368 --> 00:31:36,728

Hear me out.

: 1157

00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:40,418

So his crew that we see, this is

like a he gets caught and we see the

: 1158

00:31:40,418 --> 00:31:41,888

flashback story of him and his crew.

: 1159

00:31:41,888 --> 00:31:44,948

So this is in the future of the film, so

to speak, at the beginning of the film.

: 1160

00:31:45,428 --> 00:31:50,618

And what's crazy is the crew that we

see at the beginning of the film, who

: 1161

00:31:50,618 --> 00:31:57,278

gets slaughtered, they get slaughtered

by the natives and he's running away

: 1162

00:31:57,278 --> 00:32:02,568

from he escapes the slaughter, but

Tom Lee Jones character is laughing,

: 1163

00:32:02,598 --> 00:32:07,488

like he's chasing balloons in a

park, but his crew just got murdered.

: 1164

00:32:08,493 --> 00:32:10,473

And I, I, I had a hard time connecting.

: 1165

00:32:10,473 --> 00:32:14,723

Where's this funny I'm trying to connect

the character of you because here's the

: 1166

00:32:14,723 --> 00:32:18,593

thing, I didn't know this was a flash

forward or this was gonna be, because we

: 1167

00:32:18,593 --> 00:32:21,413

go back and we see these characters that

we see at the beginning of this film.

: 1168

00:32:21,413 --> 00:32:24,233

We actually get to see them with

Tom Lee Jones and their, and their

: 1169

00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:25,403

relationships and their friends.

: 1170

00:32:25,403 --> 00:32:28,703

So now we were seeing even more

so, oh, they actually were really

: 1171

00:32:28,703 --> 00:32:31,253

friends with, they had a, a

familial relationship as a crew.

: 1172

00:32:31,253 --> 00:32:32,273

They were crew members.

: 1173

00:32:33,023 --> 00:32:34,823

And then we see at the beginning

of the film, those same crew

: 1174

00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:36,533

are just slaughtered around Tom.

: 1175

00:32:36,573 --> 00:32:39,513

Almost oh, well, oh, well, I

guess I'll just get more crew

: 1176

00:32:39,513 --> 00:32:41,013

and friends in my next adventure.

: 1177

00:32:41,653 --> 00:32:45,283

I had a hard time connecting

the humor in that where he's,

: 1178

00:32:45,343 --> 00:32:46,993

he's laughing at his plight.

: 1179

00:32:47,233 --> 00:32:48,643

People are murdered around him.

: 1180

00:32:49,063 --> 00:32:52,453

He's running for his life and

it's all just fun and games.

: 1181

00:32:52,718 --> 00:32:55,483

Katie: Well, I think the other peop,

I don't think Tommy Lee Jones was

: 1182

00:32:55,483 --> 00:32:57,193

laughing at their deaths, but he wasn't.

: 1183

00:32:57,253 --> 00:32:58,333

It was clear

: 1184

00:32:58,333 --> 00:32:59,083

that this wasn't

: 1185

00:32:59,233 --> 00:33:00,793

Ryan Rebalkin: No, he's not

laughing at the, that's what I mean.

: 1186

00:33:00,793 --> 00:33:02,473

He wasn't laughing at their desk, but his.

: 1187

00:33:03,008 --> 00:33:06,068

If you were running for your life

and saw your crew murdered, would

: 1188

00:33:06,068 --> 00:33:09,068

you be chuckling at your plight that

you're running away for your life?

: 1189

00:33:09,068 --> 00:33:10,118

Is what I'm getting at that.

: 1190

00:33:10,193 --> 00:33:13,903

Katie: he was, yeah, it's, it was

very like romancing the stone.

: 1191

00:33:13,903 --> 00:33:14,443

Oh shit.

: 1192

00:33:14,503 --> 00:33:15,553

Oh, there's, ah, crap.

: 1193

00:33:15,583 --> 00:33:15,673

I

: 1194

00:33:15,673 --> 00:33:16,543

gotta, you know.

: 1195

00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:17,218

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1196

00:33:17,218 --> 00:33:21,148

But so again, I went in blind like you

did, so I had a hard time that, that's

: 1197

00:33:21,148 --> 00:33:25,418

the one thing I do agree with Roger Ebert,

where it was inconsistent in the sense of

: 1198

00:33:25,428 --> 00:33:27,648

I didn't know where to put my movie cap.

: 1199

00:33:27,648 --> 00:33:30,968

Now I enjoyed the film and the

adventures and that's what Pirates did

: 1200

00:33:30,968 --> 00:33:32,948

very well is that they picked a lane.

: 1201

00:33:33,278 --> 00:33:38,018

There is comedy and there is death,

but it's, but you always see a, the

: 1202

00:33:38,018 --> 00:33:40,238

wink is always there with this one.

: 1203

00:33:40,268 --> 00:33:43,148

It was, it was so brutal at times

where I, I didn't get what was

: 1204

00:33:43,148 --> 00:33:47,018

funny and there's some like brutal

violence where there was no humor.

: 1205

00:33:47,378 --> 00:33:47,978

I didn't get it.

: 1206

00:33:47,978 --> 00:33:48,998

I didn't get why that was funny.

: 1207

00:33:49,008 --> 00:33:49,218

Katie: Being

: 1208

00:33:49,218 --> 00:33:50,088

impaled

: 1209

00:33:50,268 --> 00:33:50,658

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

: 1210

00:33:50,838 --> 00:33:51,108

Oh yeah.

: 1211

00:33:51,288 --> 00:33:52,298

Katie: immediately, the

: 1212

00:33:52,298 --> 00:33:53,318

first five minutes, like

: 1213

00:33:53,588 --> 00:33:54,008

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

: 1214

00:33:54,008 --> 00:33:56,738

Katie: die like in a atrocious ways.

: 1215

00:33:57,038 --> 00:33:57,218

Well,

: 1216

00:33:57,218 --> 00:33:57,818

so, Okay.

: 1217

00:33:57,818 --> 00:33:58,118

let's,

: 1218

00:33:58,263 --> 00:33:58,553

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1219

00:33:58,558 --> 00:33:58,868

Okay.

: 1220

00:33:58,868 --> 00:33:59,288

Sorry.

: 1221

00:33:59,318 --> 00:34:00,488

Yeah, sure, sure.

: 1222

00:34:00,578 --> 00:34:01,688

Katie: brought up Ferdinand

: 1223

00:34:01,688 --> 00:34:02,378

Fairfax's,

: 1224

00:34:02,828 --> 00:34:03,188

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1225

00:34:03,848 --> 00:34:04,088

Yeah.

: 1226

00:34:04,088 --> 00:34:04,268

What?

: 1227

00:34:04,268 --> 00:34:04,898

What has he done?

: 1228

00:34:05,228 --> 00:34:07,408

Katie: well, he's an English

: 1229

00:34:08,038 --> 00:34:13,527

director, nominated for two BAFTAs he's

mostly known for like TV and TV movies.

: 1230

00:34:14,007 --> 00:34:18,928

And so I haven't, know what Gevs

and Wooster is, but that must be a

: 1231

00:34:18,958 --> 00:34:19,768

British show

: 1232

00:34:20,283 --> 00:34:20,773

Ryan Rebalkin: Must be

: 1233

00:34:21,007 --> 00:34:24,998

Katie: and then Winston Churchill, the

wilderness years, I, I think was like

: 1234

00:34:24,998 --> 00:34:26,978

a, maybe a miniseries or something.

: 1235

00:34:26,978 --> 00:34:29,228

So he, he was nominated

for Baptist for those.

: 1236

00:34:30,217 --> 00:34:33,757

I feel like I've heard that

name before, but I couldn't

: 1237

00:34:33,757 --> 00:34:34,478

tell you anything else.

: 1238

00:34:34,478 --> 00:34:34,628

He's

: 1239

00:34:34,868 --> 00:34:35,828

Ryan Rebalkin: wasn't that a rock band?

: 1240

00:34:36,458 --> 00:34:39,998

Katie: for and then the writers on

: 1241

00:34:39,998 --> 00:34:40,478

this.

: 1242

00:34:41,033 --> 00:34:41,322

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1243

00:34:41,408 --> 00:34:42,038

Yeah, of course.

: 1244

00:34:42,068 --> 00:34:43,568

This is the John Hughes connection.

: 1245

00:34:43,763 --> 00:34:44,152

Katie: yes.

: 1246

00:34:44,152 --> 00:34:46,523

This is why we're covering

it on retro Made season two.

: 1247

00:34:46,523 --> 00:34:47,092

John Hughes.

: 1248

00:34:47,703 --> 00:34:52,322

Lloyd Phillips, I think was the

originator of the story this Nate and

: 1249

00:34:52,322 --> 00:34:55,563

Hayes story that was then repurposed.

: 1250

00:34:55,563 --> 00:34:56,853

And he was a producer of

: 1251

00:34:56,853 --> 00:34:57,663

this film too.

: 1252

00:34:57,918 --> 00:34:58,278

Ryan Rebalkin: right.

: 1253

00:34:58,423 --> 00:34:58,663

Katie: And he's

: 1254

00:34:58,678 --> 00:34:59,878

Ryan Rebalkin: Was it based on a novel?

: 1255

00:34:59,878 --> 00:35:00,778

Was it by or No.

: 1256

00:35:00,823 --> 00:35:01,213

Katie: Yeah.

: 1257

00:35:01,213 --> 00:35:06,353

He must have wrote, don't know

in what format this story was,

: 1258

00:35:06,353 --> 00:35:07,693

but it was based on a story by

: 1259

00:35:07,693 --> 00:35:08,533

Lloyd Phillips

: 1260

00:35:08,848 --> 00:35:09,118

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1261

00:35:09,463 --> 00:35:13,023

Katie: is he's more so a producer

nowadays and he's South African.

: 1262

00:35:13,143 --> 00:35:15,003

He also produced 12

: 1263

00:35:15,003 --> 00:35:17,733

Monkeys Man of Steel and in Glorious

: 1264

00:35:17,733 --> 00:35:18,543

bastards

: 1265

00:35:18,948 --> 00:35:19,458

Ryan Rebalkin: Wow.

: 1266

00:35:19,488 --> 00:35:19,698

Okay.

: 1267

00:35:19,698 --> 00:35:21,798

So it's notable projects there for sure.

: 1268

00:35:21,828 --> 00:35:22,038

Yeah.

: 1269

00:35:22,113 --> 00:35:23,133

Katie: David Odell.

: 1270

00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:27,233

So then he and John Hughes kind of

reworked that created the screenplay.

: 1271

00:35:28,373 --> 00:35:28,883

so David

: 1272

00:35:29,198 --> 00:35:29,288

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 1273

00:35:30,353 --> 00:35:30,893

Katie: Who he is.

: 1274

00:35:30,893 --> 00:35:32,363

He won an Emmy for the Muppet

: 1275

00:35:32,363 --> 00:35:33,683

Show writing on the

: 1276

00:35:33,783 --> 00:35:34,243

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh wow.

: 1277

00:35:34,703 --> 00:35:35,858

That's the comedy.

: 1278

00:35:36,023 --> 00:35:36,443

Katie: Yeah.

: 1279

00:35:36,923 --> 00:35:40,913

And he also wrote The Dark Crystal

and Masters of the Universe.

: 1280

00:35:41,423 --> 00:35:44,573

Ryan Rebalkin: Dark Crystal is one

of the scariest films I ever saw as

: 1281

00:35:44,573 --> 00:35:46,163

a kid in the theater, but I loved it.

: 1282

00:35:46,433 --> 00:35:46,703

Katie: it.

: 1283

00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:47,483

Ryan Rebalkin: So he's big.

: 1284

00:35:47,483 --> 00:35:47,573

Yeah.

: 1285

00:35:47,573 --> 00:35:49,433

I'm looking at his writer

credit So big on The Muppet.

: 1286

00:35:49,433 --> 00:35:50,333

He's a big Muppet guy.

: 1287

00:35:50,543 --> 00:35:50,963

Okay.

: 1288

00:35:51,503 --> 00:35:54,593

And the Muppets can be pretty zany

and kind of weirdly violent in

: 1289

00:35:54,593 --> 00:35:56,393

their own way, but puppet violence.

: 1290

00:35:56,393 --> 00:35:56,663

Right.

: 1291

00:35:56,663 --> 00:36:00,293

So he also wrote Masters of the

Universe, yet Tales of the Dark Side.

: 1292

00:36:01,103 --> 00:36:04,453

But The Dark Crystal is yeah, the

movie was a great movie, by the way.

: 1293

00:36:05,323 --> 00:36:05,923

But scary.

: 1294

00:36:06,013 --> 00:36:07,273

Katie: to add that to my list too.

: 1295

00:36:07,273 --> 00:36:08,923

So, and then John Hughes was the other

: 1296

00:36:08,923 --> 00:36:09,523

writer

: 1297

00:36:10,003 --> 00:36:13,183

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay, so I gotta ask you

right away, I gotta ask you right away,

: 1298

00:36:14,083 --> 00:36:16,303

where was the John Hughes in this film?

: 1299

00:36:17,923 --> 00:36:18,673

You know what I mean by that?

: 1300

00:36:18,673 --> 00:36:20,083

Like, where was his touch?

: 1301

00:36:20,113 --> 00:36:21,673

Where was it, where or where do you think?

: 1302

00:36:21,883 --> 00:36:25,273

Because I, I'm watching this whole film

and I'm not, I want to be clear here.

: 1303

00:36:25,603 --> 00:36:26,893

I'm not being critical of this film.

: 1304

00:36:26,953 --> 00:36:28,033

I would watch this film again.

: 1305

00:36:28,918 --> 00:36:29,668

Katie: Yeah, same.

: 1306

00:36:29,803 --> 00:36:30,973

Ryan Rebalkin: It was a fun film.

: 1307

00:36:30,973 --> 00:36:35,143

It's just I was, I think I would have to

watch it again now that I know the tone.

: 1308

00:36:35,143 --> 00:36:36,133

Whatever that tone is.

: 1309

00:36:36,193 --> 00:36:36,553

yeah,

: 1310

00:36:36,568 --> 00:36:36,988

Katie: yeah.

: 1311

00:36:37,708 --> 00:36:41,478

You know, I think here's my take on,

where's the John Hughes in this, I

: 1312

00:36:41,508 --> 00:36:43,878

think this is before he became the

: 1313

00:36:43,878 --> 00:36:44,808

John Hughes that we

: 1314

00:36:45,093 --> 00:36:45,603

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 1315

00:36:46,038 --> 00:36:49,758

Katie: And so he's making

his way building a name.

: 1316

00:36:49,808 --> 00:36:52,508

So I don't, I don't think there

was like a particular touch.

: 1317

00:36:52,508 --> 00:36:55,688

I think he was just, we're

hiring you to do this, this,

: 1318

00:36:55,688 --> 00:36:56,438

job to kind of

: 1319

00:36:56,573 --> 00:36:59,153

Ryan Rebalkin: I can see the,

the relationship stuff, probably

: 1320

00:36:59,153 --> 00:37:02,203

obviously the, the, the 3 0 8

triangle of the two men going for

: 1321

00:37:02,203 --> 00:37:03,793

Sophie, played by Jenny Seagrove.

: 1322

00:37:03,883 --> 00:37:08,983

I could see that being the case, that sort

of banter talk and that sort of stuff.

: 1323

00:37:09,013 --> 00:37:11,573

'cause there was certainly a lot

of, especially by Tommy I would

: 1324

00:37:11,573 --> 00:37:14,573

suspect John was probably part

of the clever dialogue writing

: 1325

00:37:15,143 --> 00:37:15,428

Katie: 'cause there's

: 1326

00:37:15,428 --> 00:37:17,048

some witty stuff in there.

: 1327

00:37:17,048 --> 00:37:17,438

Yeah.

: 1328

00:37:17,468 --> 00:37:22,738

There's a lot of little things said,

like remarks by characters that

: 1329

00:37:23,098 --> 00:37:26,548

could just be throwaway, but then

you're like, oh, oh, that was funny.

: 1330

00:37:26,548 --> 00:37:27,778

Or, oh, that was clever.

: 1331

00:37:27,778 --> 00:37:31,588

Or, you know, and some of it was

meant to be funny and I didn't

: 1332

00:37:31,588 --> 00:37:32,518

really think it was that funny.

: 1333

00:37:32,568 --> 00:37:38,118

Like the tropes about, oh, something

like, the movie there are things they say

: 1334

00:37:38,118 --> 00:37:39,918

about women, oh, you can't trust a woman,

: 1335

00:37:39,918 --> 00:37:40,788

even a dead one.

: 1336

00:37:40,788 --> 00:37:40,938

Or,

: 1337

00:37:41,053 --> 00:37:41,703

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, well

: 1338

00:37:41,778 --> 00:37:41,988

Katie: that,

: 1339

00:37:42,378 --> 00:37:44,478

Ryan Rebalkin: that's probably John

Hughes and, but here, here's another,

: 1340

00:37:44,538 --> 00:37:45,678

here's another good line here.

: 1341

00:37:46,038 --> 00:37:48,918

Ben Pease says, you should

feel flattered, Missy.

: 1342

00:37:48,948 --> 00:37:50,688

Not everyone gets offered to the gods.

: 1343

00:37:50,748 --> 00:37:52,278

And then Sophie says, just the woman.

: 1344

00:37:53,208 --> 00:37:54,228

That's a great low line there.

: 1345

00:37:54,228 --> 00:37:55,038

That's probably John Hughes.

: 1346

00:37:55,038 --> 00:37:56,388

So those kind of lines, I think

: 1347

00:37:56,498 --> 00:37:56,948

Katie: point.

: 1348

00:37:57,278 --> 00:37:57,668

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

: 1349

00:37:58,268 --> 00:37:58,808

Katie: Good point.

: 1350

00:37:59,198 --> 00:37:59,468

Yeah.

: 1351

00:37:59,468 --> 00:38:00,693

So, you guys

: 1352

00:38:01,353 --> 00:38:02,103

Ryan Rebalkin: I'm ruining your show.

: 1353

00:38:02,103 --> 00:38:02,913

I'm going all over the place.

: 1354

00:38:02,913 --> 00:38:03,273

I apply.

: 1355

00:38:03,363 --> 00:38:05,913

Katie: I like it's, that's the way

that this is gonna be because this

: 1356

00:38:05,913 --> 00:38:08,553

movie, I guarantee nobody's seen it.

: 1357

00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:12,410

The description is a swashbuckling

adventure, which takes place in

: 1358

00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:16,940

the mid 18 hundreds on the South

Pacific Islands where bloody raids

: 1359

00:38:16,940 --> 00:38:19,790

and battles were once rule of the

: 1360

00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:20,300

day.

: 1361

00:38:20,415 --> 00:38:21,275

Ryan Rebalkin: Bloody indeed.

: 1362

00:38:21,740 --> 00:38:26,270

Katie: And say you, so Tommy

Lee Jones is in this movie.

: 1363

00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:28,610

I, it took me a minute.

: 1364

00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:30,770

I was like, oh, that's Tommy Lee Jones.

: 1365

00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,890

I am so not used to seeing a young,

almost handsome Tommy Lee Jones.

: 1366

00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:37,760

Ryan Rebalkin: 36.

: 1367

00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:38,840

Katie: Yeah,

: 1368

00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:39,980

Ryan Rebalkin: 36 in the film.

: 1369

00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:41,240

Well, I, I recognize him.

: 1370

00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:43,850

That's say, I don't know how he

did, but I recognize him right away.

: 1371

00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:44,720

I thought he was great.

: 1372

00:38:44,750 --> 00:38:44,990

I

: 1373

00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:45,230

Katie: but I

: 1374

00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:45,470

was like,

: 1375

00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:46,310

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, sure.

: 1376

00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:48,470

Katie: just so used to like, he has

: 1377

00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:49,550

hair and he's kind of

: 1378

00:38:49,655 --> 00:38:51,725

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, no, he looked great.

: 1379

00:38:51,725 --> 00:38:52,565

He actually looked great.

: 1380

00:38:52,565 --> 00:38:55,445

I mean, he's 36 he still looks 55.

: 1381

00:38:55,625 --> 00:38:57,875

He, because he looked 55 for 25 years.

: 1382

00:38:57,875 --> 00:38:58,145

Right.

: 1383

00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:58,490

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1384

00:38:58,545 --> 00:39:00,085

Ryan Rebalkin: But he he was great.

: 1385

00:39:00,085 --> 00:39:03,865

I mean, look, he's a good actor and what

I liked about seeing him in this hill,

: 1386

00:39:03,865 --> 00:39:06,595

'cause he does very serious roles, seeing

of course he think old country where old

: 1387

00:39:06,595 --> 00:39:09,025

man or a lot of his are the fugitive.

: 1388

00:39:09,025 --> 00:39:12,355

He's always kind of playing a

serious authoritative kind of figure.

: 1389

00:39:12,355 --> 00:39:13,735

That's his, no, that's

his bread and butter.

: 1390

00:39:13,735 --> 00:39:14,185

That's fine.

: 1391

00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:18,565

That every actor kind of has their

niche that they play in to play it safe.

: 1392

00:39:18,625 --> 00:39:22,765

And seeing him in the early of his career

where maybe he didn't even take himself

: 1393

00:39:22,765 --> 00:39:26,995

very seriously and he wasn't like,

worried about how he would look or sound.

: 1394

00:39:26,995 --> 00:39:28,105

It was kind of fun to watch.

: 1395

00:39:28,135 --> 00:39:33,715

A silly, put it this way, the last

time I saw Tom Jones be silly was in

: 1396

00:39:33,715 --> 00:39:38,575

the bat Batman Robin Film or Batman

Forever film where he plays two face

: 1397

00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:39,190

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1398

00:39:39,355 --> 00:39:40,165

Ryan Rebalkin: was not very good.

: 1399

00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:42,680

His character was annoying in that.

: 1400

00:39:42,740 --> 00:39:45,740

Now he, he's a great actor, but he

was annoying the way he portrayed it.

: 1401

00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:48,170

And maybe that was the direction

and the script combined.

: 1402

00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:48,620

I get it.

: 1403

00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:53,480

But what I'm getting at seeing

him here in these early, his early

: 1404

00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,080

career, you know, 40 odd years ago,

seeing a young, and yeah, I would

: 1405

00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,820

say he's a handsome Tom Lee Jones.

: 1406

00:39:58,820 --> 00:40:04,010

And it was fun to see him energetic, fun,

bouncing around doing his own stunts.

: 1407

00:40:04,070 --> 00:40:07,880

And he could have easily been, and

we're gonna talk about this Indiana

: 1408

00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,530

Jones, he could have easily done that.

: 1409

00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:10,910

I think he could have done that role.

: 1410

00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:11,930

That's how good I thought he was.

: 1411

00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:14,570

I thought he was quite fun to watch

and he was the highlight for me.

: 1412

00:40:14,945 --> 00:40:18,935

Katie: Well, this was before he was able

to do that , maybe because he wasn't

: 1413

00:40:18,935 --> 00:40:19,595

a big star at

: 1414

00:40:19,595 --> 00:40:19,775

this

: 1415

00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:22,100

Ryan Rebalkin: No, I think

he was sort of an unknown.

: 1416

00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:22,430

Yeah.

: 1417

00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:24,680

I don't think he was like, oh,

Tommy Jones is in that film.

: 1418

00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,370

I gotta see that.

: 1419

00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:26,110

Yeah.

: 1420

00:40:26,695 --> 00:40:27,715

Katie: So he's the main character.

: 1421

00:40:27,715 --> 00:40:29,005

He plays Captain Bully

: 1422

00:40:29,005 --> 00:40:29,635

Hayes.

: 1423

00:40:30,275 --> 00:40:30,695

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 1424

00:40:31,915 --> 00:40:32,815

Katie: in real life,

: 1425

00:40:32,815 --> 00:40:33,505

this was a real

: 1426

00:40:33,850 --> 00:40:34,180

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1427

00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:34,720

Yeah.

: 1428

00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:35,710

I, I couldn't believe that.

: 1429

00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:36,370

Yeah.

: 1430

00:40:36,715 --> 00:40:38,485

Katie: a ship captain called William

: 1431

00:40:38,485 --> 00:40:41,905

Henry, nicknamed Bully Hayes,

who sailed in the South Pacific

: 1432

00:40:41,905 --> 00:40:48,235

Sea during the mid 19th century

until he was murdered in: 1877

: 1433

00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:51,460

We'll get to some trivia

about that character a little

: 1434

00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:51,820

bit later.

: 1435

00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:56,140

But our other characters, the, the

second build is Michael O'Keefe

: 1436

00:40:56,415 --> 00:40:56,835

Ryan Rebalkin: mm-hmm.

: 1437

00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:57,910

Katie: Nathaniel.

: 1438

00:40:58,720 --> 00:40:59,920

Ryan Rebalkin: Now he looks familiar.

: 1439

00:40:59,950 --> 00:41:01,270

Katie: yep, yep.

: 1440

00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,250

The reason I know

: 1441

00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:03,120

who he is, is

: 1442

00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:03,885

Ryan Rebalkin: I'm

trying to think of what,

: 1443

00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:06,690

Katie: he played Fred

on Roseanne, Jackie's

: 1444

00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,410

husband,

: 1445

00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:09,810

Ryan Rebalkin: I didn't watch that

show, but I'm, but he's got one of

: 1446

00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:12,900

those faces where like you've, again,

oh, I've seen that face before.

: 1447

00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:13,980

In film and tv.

: 1448

00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:14,280

Yeah.

: 1449

00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:14,790

Katie: known.

: 1450

00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:14,940

Yeah.

: 1451

00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:18,380

So he's Fred and, and he's

not an attractive man in

: 1452

00:41:18,430 --> 00:41:19,000

Roseanne,

: 1453

00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:19,960

Ryan Rebalkin: It's the teeth.

: 1454

00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:20,800

Katie: he's younger.

: 1455

00:41:20,845 --> 00:41:21,895

Ryan Rebalkin: The teeth you got.

: 1456

00:41:21,895 --> 00:41:23,125

I dunno why No.

: 1457

00:41:23,185 --> 00:41:25,855

If you look, sorry, I'm a teeth guy.

: 1458

00:41:26,005 --> 00:41:26,605

I'm sorry.

: 1459

00:41:26,605 --> 00:41:27,775

We all have our thing, right?

: 1460

00:41:27,775 --> 00:41:29,575

Some people like feet,

some people like butts.

: 1461

00:41:29,905 --> 00:41:31,285

I'm, if your teeth are

: 1462

00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:32,200

Katie: Jacked.

: 1463

00:41:32,335 --> 00:41:32,815

Ryan Rebalkin: hard.

: 1464

00:41:33,370 --> 00:41:33,880

Katie: Yeah.

: 1465

00:41:34,345 --> 00:41:36,385

Ryan Rebalkin: like it's amazing

how like if he had his teeth

: 1466

00:41:36,385 --> 00:41:39,385

straightened and fixed, he'd be

like that much more handsome.

: 1467

00:41:39,445 --> 00:41:39,775

It was.

: 1468

00:41:39,775 --> 00:41:40,615

I saw his teeth.

: 1469

00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:41,950

Katie: nice looking in

: 1470

00:41:42,055 --> 00:41:42,355

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1471

00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:42,520

Katie: he

: 1472

00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,210

is young

: 1473

00:41:43,555 --> 00:41:43,825

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1474

00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:44,590

Katie: yeah.

: 1475

00:41:44,665 --> 00:41:45,355

Ryan Rebalkin: teeth were

: 1476

00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:45,700

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1477

00:41:45,925 --> 00:41:46,735

Ryan Rebalkin: messed up.

: 1478

00:41:46,795 --> 00:41:47,215

You know,

: 1479

00:41:47,350 --> 00:41:47,890

Katie: in the eighties.

: 1480

00:41:47,890 --> 00:41:50,680

I don't think everybody

had perfect teeth like it

: 1481

00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,250

was you

: 1482

00:41:51,355 --> 00:41:52,135

Ryan Rebalkin: I'm a teeth guy.

: 1483

00:41:52,165 --> 00:41:52,645

I love it.

: 1484

00:41:52,645 --> 00:41:55,165

I love when I see teeth

fixed on TV shows and stuff.

: 1485

00:41:55,165 --> 00:41:55,555

I love it.

: 1486

00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:56,155

Actors and actress.

: 1487

00:41:56,155 --> 00:41:57,235

When I see Perfect teeth good.

: 1488

00:41:57,385 --> 00:41:58,675

Got fixed, it looks great.

: 1489

00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:00,880

Katie: Yeah.

: 1490

00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,220

I guess some people I'm like, I kind

of like the imperfection as long

: 1491

00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:05,720

as they're not like super jacked,

: 1492

00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:06,680

you know, like,

: 1493

00:42:06,875 --> 00:42:10,835

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, like,

um, you know who I, yes.

: 1494

00:42:11,045 --> 00:42:11,585

It bugs me.

: 1495

00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:13,340

Katie: that he, I like that he didn't

: 1496

00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:14,360

get his teeth fixed.

: 1497

00:42:14,495 --> 00:42:17,045

Ryan Rebalkin: They don't have to be

to but the fact that I, he came, comes

: 1498

00:42:17,045 --> 00:42:18,245

to mind tells me something, right.

: 1499

00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,150

Katie: Madonna, the

: 1500

00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:21,290

space between her teeth, like

: 1501

00:42:21,435 --> 00:42:22,095

Ryan Rebalkin: That's fine.

: 1502

00:42:22,095 --> 00:42:22,665

That's fine.

: 1503

00:42:22,695 --> 00:42:23,295

That's fine.

: 1504

00:42:23,395 --> 00:42:26,415

Look at jewel and Avril Levine

with that little I like that.

: 1505

00:42:26,415 --> 00:42:26,925

That's fine.

: 1506

00:42:26,985 --> 00:42:30,645

The little, they're little pointers

that they have, so it doesn't have

: 1507

00:42:30,645 --> 00:42:32,655

to be perfect in the, you know,

: 1508

00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:33,030

Katie: Yeah.

: 1509

00:42:33,285 --> 00:42:33,705

Ryan Rebalkin: anyways.

: 1510

00:42:33,915 --> 00:42:34,215

Look at me.

: 1511

00:42:34,215 --> 00:42:35,805

I'm such a, so stupid.

: 1512

00:42:36,015 --> 00:42:36,305

Katie: Well,

: 1513

00:42:36,645 --> 00:42:37,455

Ryan Rebalkin: I just notice it.

: 1514

00:42:37,455 --> 00:42:39,705

I, the funny thing is, I thought

he was a handsome guy too.

: 1515

00:42:39,705 --> 00:42:43,005

He's a good looking guy, but then he

opens his mouth and you're like, oh, okay.

: 1516

00:42:43,125 --> 00:42:44,325

That's, that's a turnoff.

: 1517

00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:48,150

Katie: I kind of don't think,

I, I think by the time he was in

: 1518

00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:49,380

Roseanne, I think he must have

: 1519

00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:50,850

gotten them straightened

: 1520

00:42:51,135 --> 00:42:51,645

Ryan Rebalkin: Maybe

: 1521

00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:55,680

Katie: recall ever noticing

his teeth in Roseanne.

: 1522

00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,060

But he also, he, he's in a

: 1523

00:42:57,060 --> 00:42:57,810

ton of stuff.

: 1524

00:42:57,870 --> 00:42:59,610

He's kinda one of those guys.

: 1525

00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,860

any, did you ever watch the show?

: 1526

00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:03,630

Sneaky Pete with Giovanni

: 1527

00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:04,410

Ribisi?

: 1528

00:43:04,755 --> 00:43:07,335

Ryan Rebalkin: No, but I,

I, it, I I heard it's good.

: 1529

00:43:07,335 --> 00:43:08,595

And it's a religious show, right?

: 1530

00:43:08,595 --> 00:43:10,935

So I that's, oh, I thought it was okay.

: 1531

00:43:11,175 --> 00:43:12,195

Lemme think of another one.

: 1532

00:43:12,195 --> 00:43:14,415

I know which show you're talking

about by title, but I haven't seen it.

: 1533

00:43:14,415 --> 00:43:15,315

I was thinking of something.

: 1534

00:43:15,315 --> 00:43:15,525

Okay.

: 1535

00:43:15,585 --> 00:43:15,855

Anyways.

: 1536

00:43:15,855 --> 00:43:17,025

No, I haven't seen it

to answer your question.

: 1537

00:43:17,205 --> 00:43:18,765

Katie: plays a detective Michael

: 1538

00:43:18,765 --> 00:43:19,665

O'Keefe, on that

: 1539

00:43:19,665 --> 00:43:20,115

show.

: 1540

00:43:20,685 --> 00:43:21,045

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh

: 1541

00:43:21,705 --> 00:43:24,615

Katie: and then he was

also in Homeland, the

: 1542

00:43:24,725 --> 00:43:25,355

Claire Danes

: 1543

00:43:25,715 --> 00:43:27,335

Ryan Rebalkin: yes, that, you know what?

: 1544

00:43:27,785 --> 00:43:29,165

I don't know why I

haven't seen that series.

: 1545

00:43:29,165 --> 00:43:31,055

'cause it falls into

everything I love about tv.

: 1546

00:43:31,055 --> 00:43:34,355

I just, it's, it is on my forever

growing cue, and I know it's already old,

: 1547

00:43:34,835 --> 00:43:35,345

Katie: Yeah.

: 1548

00:43:35,345 --> 00:43:36,335

Ryan Rebalkin: of, but I don't care.

: 1549

00:43:36,335 --> 00:43:37,805

I'm gonna, I am gonna watch it one day.

: 1550

00:43:37,835 --> 00:43:38,495

'cause I, yeah,

: 1551

00:43:38,645 --> 00:43:39,335

Katie: Claire Danes is

: 1552

00:43:39,335 --> 00:43:40,595

just spectacular.

: 1553

00:43:40,685 --> 00:43:41,585

Ryan Rebalkin: she's, she's lovely.

: 1554

00:43:41,765 --> 00:43:42,545

Yeah, she's lovely.

: 1555

00:43:42,575 --> 00:43:42,755

Yeah.

: 1556

00:43:42,875 --> 00:43:45,845

Katie: But we talked about, or I

did, I think I did that episode

: 1557

00:43:45,845 --> 00:43:46,445

solo

: 1558

00:43:46,865 --> 00:43:47,255

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh,

: 1559

00:43:47,885 --> 00:43:51,095

Katie: Michael O'Keeffe was

in three wishes with, with

: 1560

00:43:51,095 --> 00:43:51,455

Patrick

: 1561

00:43:51,515 --> 00:43:53,435

Ryan Rebalkin: oh, of course

I listened to that, but I

: 1562

00:43:53,435 --> 00:43:54,575

forgot about him being in that.

: 1563

00:43:54,575 --> 00:43:55,085

Fair enough.

: 1564

00:43:55,145 --> 00:43:55,325

Yeah.

: 1565

00:43:55,805 --> 00:43:56,495

Katie: version of

: 1566

00:43:56,495 --> 00:43:57,485

Tom in three

: 1567

00:43:57,605 --> 00:43:59,045

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, okay.

: 1568

00:43:59,495 --> 00:44:00,185

There you go.

: 1569

00:44:00,285 --> 00:44:03,105

Katie: Ben Pease, he quite

: 1570

00:44:03,165 --> 00:44:04,245

the character

: 1571

00:44:04,395 --> 00:44:05,595

Ryan Rebalkin: looks familiar,

: 1572

00:44:05,955 --> 00:44:09,545

Katie: was the Slave traitor and , he

was like our antagonist in this,

: 1573

00:44:09,545 --> 00:44:10,025

movie.

: 1574

00:44:10,295 --> 00:44:10,565

Ryan Rebalkin: right?

: 1575

00:44:10,565 --> 00:44:12,275

Played by Maxwell Phipps.

: 1576

00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:12,800

Katie: Max

: 1577

00:44:12,845 --> 00:44:13,295

Ryan Rebalkin: Am I get

: 1578

00:44:13,745 --> 00:44:14,015

Max

: 1579

00:44:14,015 --> 00:44:14,285

Phipps

: 1580

00:44:15,455 --> 00:44:15,905

right?

: 1581

00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:17,210

Katie: I

: 1582

00:44:17,285 --> 00:44:17,855

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh,

: 1583

00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:18,350

Katie: I didn't,

: 1584

00:44:18,350 --> 00:44:18,650

know

: 1585

00:44:18,755 --> 00:44:19,475

Ryan Rebalkin: was the Mad Max.

: 1586

00:44:19,475 --> 00:44:20,075

Of course.

: 1587

00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:21,830

Katie: the road warrior.

: 1588

00:44:21,830 --> 00:44:22,370

He played the

: 1589

00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:22,820

tote.

: 1590

00:44:23,645 --> 00:44:24,275

Ryan Rebalkin: That's right.

: 1591

00:44:24,275 --> 00:44:27,155

He did look familiar and I did

sort of seen that movie recently.

: 1592

00:44:27,545 --> 00:44:29,225

So yeah, he did a lot of Australian stuff.

: 1593

00:44:29,225 --> 00:44:30,485

Of course, he died fairly young.

: 1594

00:44:30,485 --> 00:44:31,205

Age 60

: 1595

00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:32,270

Katie: Oh really?

: 1596

00:44:32,645 --> 00:44:33,245

Ryan Rebalkin: in: 2000

: 1597

00:44:33,245 --> 00:44:33,455

Yeah,

: 1598

00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,700

Katie: There was a mini series.

: 1599

00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:37,730

Maybe this is a thing in

Australia, the dismissal.

: 1600

00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:42,110

I was unfamiliar to me, but

he he's known for a lot of

: 1601

00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:43,010

TV stuff and

: 1602

00:44:43,235 --> 00:44:43,535

Ryan Rebalkin: right.

: 1603

00:44:43,535 --> 00:44:43,985

Looks like it.

: 1604

00:44:43,985 --> 00:44:44,345

Yeah.

: 1605

00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:44,990

Katie: yeah.

: 1606

00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:47,730

So that's Ben Pease and then we

talked about there being a little

: 1607

00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:49,110

bit of a love triangle.

: 1608

00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:54,170

So, Nathaniel, Nate is

supposed to be marrying Sophie.

: 1609

00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,880

They're going to be

missionaries on this island

: 1610

00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,780

together, and they're

: 1611

00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:58,290

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 1612

00:44:58,890 --> 00:45:00,900

Katie: Sophie's played by Jenny Seagrove.

: 1613

00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:01,620

Did

: 1614

00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:02,100

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1615

00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:02,880

Katie: anything, Ryan,

: 1616

00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:05,310

Ryan Rebalkin: No, but I was enamored.

: 1617

00:45:06,330 --> 00:45:07,170

I, you know.

: 1618

00:45:07,265 --> 00:45:07,425

Katie: were?

: 1619

00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,490

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1620

00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:10,410

And I can totally see why this

is where it totally makes sense.

: 1621

00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:11,855

I like, I'm watching this as a Yeah.

: 1622

00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:13,620

A straight guy, you

know, watching this film.

: 1623

00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,880

And of course I'm older than her

character is in this film, but I'm

: 1624

00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,250

putting myself with these characters,

these men, and I'm like, yeah,

: 1625

00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:21,540

I can see why you'd be enamored.

: 1626

00:45:21,570 --> 00:45:22,170

She is.

: 1627

00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,360

She's gorgeous, she's lovely.

: 1628

00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:26,490

And she, she nailed the role.

: 1629

00:45:26,570 --> 00:45:29,420

I hate to say sometimes that when

they cast the love interest in

: 1630

00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:33,410

these, especially these earlier

films, the woman are sometimes, Hmm.

: 1631

00:45:33,545 --> 00:45:34,085

Katie: throwaway.

: 1632

00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:37,010

Ryan Rebalkin: throw away or

written poorly, or, she was great.

: 1633

00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:39,680

She acted tough, she was

resilient, she was funny.

: 1634

00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:40,310

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1635

00:45:40,565 --> 00:45:43,195

Ryan Rebalkin: when she was about to

be sacrificed, it wasn't over the top.

: 1636

00:45:43,195 --> 00:45:45,735

I'll, kate Capshaw and Temple Doom.

: 1637

00:45:45,855 --> 00:45:45,856

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1638

00:45:47,055 --> 00:45:47,835

Ryan Rebalkin: Speaking of which, can we,

: 1639

00:45:48,435 --> 00:45:51,345

yeah, can we, can we talk

about Temple Doom for a second?

: 1640

00:45:51,345 --> 00:45:53,175

'cause I'm a huge Temple Doom like fan,

: 1641

00:45:53,895 --> 00:45:57,225

so there's two scenes in this

film, one in particular, where I

: 1642

00:45:57,225 --> 00:45:58,775

was like which one came out first?

: 1643

00:46:00,230 --> 00:46:00,770

Katie: Well,

: 1644

00:46:00,770 --> 00:46:01,280

Ryan Rebalkin: the answer.

: 1645

00:46:01,310 --> 00:46:02,030

I know the answer.

: 1646

00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:02,600

Katie: Okay.

: 1647

00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:06,560

Ryan Rebalkin: So I'm sure most of your

listeners have seen Temple to Doom,

: 1648

00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,560

and Temple Doom has one of the best

scenes in movie history, which I love.

: 1649

00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,550

And now I'm feeling a little

bit angry because I've,

: 1650

00:46:13,575 --> 00:46:13,815

Katie: movie.

: 1651

00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:14,960

Ryan Rebalkin: they took it

: 1652

00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,220

from the, I, I couldn't believe it.

: 1653

00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:19,130

So Tom Lee Jones at the beginning

of this film has a bridge scene

: 1654

00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:21,050

where he's being trapped by the.

: 1655

00:46:21,455 --> 00:46:23,555

Locals, I'll say that of the island.

: 1656

00:46:23,915 --> 00:46:28,865

He escapes them folks by cutting the

bridge and he flies down with the bridge.

: 1657

00:46:29,255 --> 00:46:33,845

This film was finished production when

Temple Doom went into production by the

: 1658

00:46:33,845 --> 00:46:36,305

same movie company and Indiana Jones'.

: 1659

00:46:36,305 --> 00:46:39,725

Exact same stunt or

sequence in that film now.

: 1660

00:46:39,725 --> 00:46:42,305

It's done very well, and

Harrison Ford looks amazing.

: 1661

00:46:42,305 --> 00:46:45,515

It's the best Harrison Ford's ever looked

on film is that sequence on the bridge.

: 1662

00:46:45,515 --> 00:46:49,115

He's just the manliest man

that like it's Peak Man.

: 1663

00:46:49,415 --> 00:46:51,875

Is that Harrison Ford on

that bridge is Peak man.

: 1664

00:46:51,875 --> 00:46:52,505

I can't help it.

: 1665

00:46:52,505 --> 00:46:57,005

I'm like, again, I'm a straight

guy, but every time I see him on

: 1666

00:46:57,005 --> 00:46:58,085

that bridge, he can't help it.

: 1667

00:46:58,095 --> 00:46:59,445

Oh man, that is peak manhood.

: 1668

00:46:59,445 --> 00:47:04,635

Anyways, that sequence by the same

film company, Katie, they took it

: 1669

00:47:04,635 --> 00:47:07,005

from Savage Islands, or sorry, this

was you originally called Savage

: 1670

00:47:07,005 --> 00:47:08,655

Islands from Nate and the Hayes.

: 1671

00:47:08,925 --> 00:47:09,825

Katie: Nate and Hayes?

: 1672

00:47:09,875 --> 00:47:12,695

For the American audience,

it's called Nate and Hayes,

: 1673

00:47:12,995 --> 00:47:15,485

but it was made in New Zealand.

: 1674

00:47:15,485 --> 00:47:16,295

Like it's a New Zealand

: 1675

00:47:16,295 --> 00:47:16,985

company.

: 1676

00:47:17,315 --> 00:47:17,795

Ryan Rebalkin: That's right.

: 1677

00:47:17,825 --> 00:47:20,735

Katie: a little bit more more about

that because, because Paramount

: 1678

00:47:20,735 --> 00:47:27,275

let it go because it was so similar

to the original Indiana Jones

: 1679

00:47:27,365 --> 00:47:27,965

that they didn't,

: 1680

00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:28,910

Ryan Rebalkin: They had a feel.

: 1681

00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:33,500

But yeah, it, it was, it's like saying

Star Trek and Star Wars are similar.

: 1682

00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:37,520

Like it's silly that they did that

with poor Savage Islands because it

: 1683

00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,980

was a, it, they, they just dumped it.

: 1684

00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:41,960

And this is why, this is why

no one knows about this film.

: 1685

00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,530

They dumped it

: 1686

00:47:43,220 --> 00:47:45,290

and it's like saying Roman

the stone is too much.

: 1687

00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:47,210

That was the flavor of those years.

: 1688

00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:48,380

That's so it's not fair.

: 1689

00:47:48,425 --> 00:47:48,575

Katie: I

: 1690

00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:50,730

Ryan Rebalkin: That was the flavor

in these early eighties films.

: 1691

00:47:50,735 --> 00:47:55,900

The, the kind of crocodile Dundee there's

a lot of examples of this swashbuckling

: 1692

00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:58,330

in the jungle, whatever type adventures.

: 1693

00:47:58,810 --> 00:48:02,290

And I, I honestly, I think they

dumped it to steal some of the

: 1694

00:48:02,290 --> 00:48:04,720

ideas with the woman in peril.

: 1695

00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,700

The sacrifice of the woman at the end.

: 1696

00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:07,390

Again, those, the St.

: 1697

00:48:07,390 --> 00:48:09,100

Kate Capshaw was about to be sacrificed.

: 1698

00:48:09,365 --> 00:48:13,540

All, all these adventures

Savage Islands is pre-em doom.

: 1699

00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:14,770

I think they stole this film.

: 1700

00:48:14,770 --> 00:48:16,570

I'm, I'm, I, it breaks

my heart to say this.

: 1701

00:48:18,130 --> 00:48:21,580

Katie: Well, I don't know

Indiana Jones as well as you do.

: 1702

00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:24,070

I forget which, what

happened in which movie?

: 1703

00:48:24,085 --> 00:48:24,535

You know,

: 1704

00:48:24,955 --> 00:48:25,405

So what was the

: 1705

00:48:25,435 --> 00:48:26,005

Ryan Rebalkin: I'm telling you,

: 1706

00:48:26,245 --> 00:48:26,305

Katie: The

: 1707

00:48:26,485 --> 00:48:26,995

Raiders of the

: 1708

00:48:26,995 --> 00:48:27,475

Lost Ark?

: 1709

00:48:27,475 --> 00:48:27,595

Was

: 1710

00:48:27,625 --> 00:48:28,585

Ryan Rebalkin: RA off Yeah.

: 1711

00:48:28,615 --> 00:48:29,785

Came out in 81, I think.

: 1712

00:48:29,785 --> 00:48:31,795

Don't quote me on that folks,

but early, early eighties.

: 1713

00:48:31,795 --> 00:48:32,185

And,

: 1714

00:48:32,215 --> 00:48:34,945

Katie: some of the criticism that

this movie got was that it was very,

: 1715

00:48:35,245 --> 00:48:36,895

it's, I mean, it is in the same

: 1716

00:48:36,895 --> 00:48:37,255

tone.

: 1717

00:48:37,255 --> 00:48:37,915

Like it's a, it's

: 1718

00:48:37,945 --> 00:48:38,605

Ryan Rebalkin: but yeah, that,

: 1719

00:48:38,665 --> 00:48:38,815

Katie: of

: 1720

00:48:39,085 --> 00:48:42,415

Ryan Rebalkin: but that's the irony

is Temple Doom came out after this.

: 1721

00:48:42,415 --> 00:48:44,845

So the irony is Temple Doom is this movie.

: 1722

00:48:45,235 --> 00:48:47,905

So this movie didn't rip off

Temple Dooms the other way around.

: 1723

00:48:47,905 --> 00:48:48,115

Sure.

: 1724

00:48:48,115 --> 00:48:48,835

It had this,

: 1725

00:48:49,225 --> 00:48:50,275

I, I understand that.

: 1726

00:48:50,275 --> 00:48:52,975

But there's, the irony is

it's nothing like Raiders.

: 1727

00:48:53,665 --> 00:48:55,045

It's nothing at all like Raiders.

: 1728

00:48:55,045 --> 00:48:55,975

It's more like Temple.

: 1729

00:48:56,015 --> 00:49:00,185

I think they buried this movie to make

that narrative when it's not true.

: 1730

00:49:00,245 --> 00:49:01,685

It's not like Raiders at all.

: 1731

00:49:02,855 --> 00:49:04,535

Katie: well, I mean, just the general

: 1732

00:49:04,535 --> 00:49:05,795

like adventure,

: 1733

00:49:05,845 --> 00:49:06,205

Ryan Rebalkin: Buckley.

: 1734

00:49:06,235 --> 00:49:06,445

Sure.

: 1735

00:49:06,445 --> 00:49:07,315

But that's the whole point.

: 1736

00:49:07,315 --> 00:49:08,875

Swashbuckling movies, the voice existed.

: 1737

00:49:08,875 --> 00:49:11,425

Raiders is a rip off of other

fields before it's time.

: 1738

00:49:11,635 --> 00:49:12,055

Katie: True.

: 1739

00:49:12,475 --> 00:49:12,835

But yeah,

: 1740

00:49:12,895 --> 00:49:13,255

Ryan Rebalkin: Sorry.

: 1741

00:49:13,255 --> 00:49:15,595

I'm actually defending this

film and I love Temple Doom.

: 1742

00:49:15,595 --> 00:49:16,315

Don't get me wrong,

: 1743

00:49:16,415 --> 00:49:18,335

Katie: so it being in New

Zealand, so I'll get into that

: 1744

00:49:18,335 --> 00:49:19,085

now actually.

: 1745

00:49:19,505 --> 00:49:19,775

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure.

: 1746

00:49:19,895 --> 00:49:23,345

Katie: the budget for this

was $12 million, that's 7.5

: 1747

00:49:23,435 --> 00:49:24,785

New Zealand dollars.

: 1748

00:49:25,115 --> 00:49:29,195

Now it only grossed $2 million worldwide

: 1749

00:49:29,540 --> 00:49:29,890

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 1750

00:49:29,915 --> 00:49:30,515

Katie: some information.

: 1751

00:49:30,515 --> 00:49:34,115

So whilst it is true that this

film was not a box office success,

: 1752

00:49:34,445 --> 00:49:38,075

it may be unfair to blame the

public completely for it, for not

: 1753

00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:38,780

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 1754

00:49:39,065 --> 00:49:39,485

Katie: Right.

: 1755

00:49:39,825 --> 00:49:40,295

Ryan Rebalkin: what I mean.

: 1756

00:49:40,445 --> 00:49:43,895

Katie: Studios had agreed to bankroll

this medium budget project, which

: 1757

00:49:43,895 --> 00:49:45,455

was being filmed in New Zealand.

: 1758

00:49:45,695 --> 00:49:49,595

When the studio were presented with

the final cut in the summer of 83, they

: 1759

00:49:49,595 --> 00:49:54,275

were concerned at some of the stylistic

similarities with Raiders of the

: 1760

00:49:54,275 --> 00:49:55,835

Lost Ark from: 1981

: 1761

00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,600

Ryan Rebalkin: out, I think.

: 1762

00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,260

I guarantee you.

: 1763

00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:57,620

Look at me.

: 1764

00:49:57,620 --> 00:49:58,490

Conspiracy hat on.

: 1765

00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:59,060

I don't care.

: 1766

00:49:59,090 --> 00:49:59,540

I don't care.

: 1767

00:49:59,540 --> 00:50:00,710

This is why we do these shows.

: 1768

00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,050

They knew Temple Doom was coming.

: 1769

00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:04,700

They wanted to borrow from this film.

: 1770

00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:05,870

That's what I'm getting at.

: 1771

00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:09,770

There's no similarities with,

it's a different timepiece.

: 1772

00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:14,840

It's Ocean Water Islands, all that stuff

takes place in Temple Doom, not Raiders

: 1773

00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:19,190

was a, was in the desert looking for

a lost arc with the, with the Nazis

: 1774

00:50:19,625 --> 00:50:19,985

Katie: well, it

: 1775

00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:20,390

Ryan Rebalkin: this.

: 1776

00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:22,130

Sorry.

: 1777

00:50:22,505 --> 00:50:23,315

Katie: so that was a huge

: 1778

00:50:23,315 --> 00:50:23,945

hit, right?

: 1779

00:50:23,945 --> 00:50:24,305

Indiana

: 1780

00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:25,130

Ryan Rebalkin: Of course.

: 1781

00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:25,760

Of course.

: 1782

00:50:25,925 --> 00:50:29,075

Katie: then during the summer

of: 1983

: 1783

00:50:29,075 --> 00:50:33,515

already in pre-production with

Raiders Sequel Indiana Jones and the

: 1784

00:50:33,515 --> 00:50:34,385

Temple of Dune that

: 1785

00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:34,940

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure.

: 1786

00:50:35,255 --> 00:50:39,755

Katie:: 1984

assuming this is gonna be a tent poll,

: 1787

00:50:39,755 --> 00:50:41,405

summer release for 84.

: 1788

00:50:41,825 --> 00:50:45,575

So not wanting to have two

old fashioned swashbuckling

: 1789

00:50:45,575 --> 00:50:46,475

adventure films

: 1790

00:50:46,715 --> 00:50:47,015

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm.

: 1791

00:50:47,225 --> 00:50:51,005

Katie: a year of each other for

fear of affecting the advertising,

: 1792

00:50:51,185 --> 00:50:54,755

publicity and box office

potential of the Spielberg film.

: 1793

00:50:54,755 --> 00:50:56,645

So they knew that was probably

gonna be a successful, they

: 1794

00:50:56,645 --> 00:50:57,965

didn't wanna take away from that.

: 1795

00:50:59,015 --> 00:51:02,795

and remember that Harrison Ford

hugely popular star by this

: 1796

00:51:02,795 --> 00:51:06,575

point, whereas Tommy Lee Jones was

practically unknown at this time.

: 1797

00:51:06,575 --> 00:51:12,785

Paramount decided to cut their losses and

give this film only a small, relatively

: 1798

00:51:12,785 --> 00:51:13,805

publicity free

: 1799

00:51:14,165 --> 00:51:15,845

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh,

you're driving me crazy.

: 1800

00:51:15,845 --> 00:51:18,365

It's, it's, it's feeding

into my conspiracy.

: 1801

00:51:18,590 --> 00:51:18,740

Katie: of

: 1802

00:51:18,875 --> 00:51:19,235

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1803

00:51:19,310 --> 00:51:19,760

Katie: had to

: 1804

00:51:19,835 --> 00:51:20,225

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1805

00:51:20,315 --> 00:51:20,555

Yeah.

: 1806

00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,770

Katie: So they had to, so it was released

in the fall of 83 where it would go

: 1807

00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:29,820

unnoticed, sandwiched between the likes

of James Bond film, never say Never again,

: 1808

00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:32,400

: 1983

: 1809

00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,780

Sudden Impact also,: 1983

Jones film was subsequently released

: 1810

00:51:36,780 --> 00:51:42,900

just over half a year later, where

it was unsurprisingly a huge hit

: 1811

00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:44,760

earning back more than 10 times its

: 1812

00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,210

budget.

: 1813

00:51:46,065 --> 00:51:46,965

Ryan Rebalkin: Guess what happened?

: 1814

00:51:47,415 --> 00:51:50,505

Nobody said, Hey, I saw

this on Savage Islands.

: 1815

00:51:51,075 --> 00:51:51,975

That's my point.

: 1816

00:51:52,425 --> 00:51:56,025

They were able to release this film, still

the bridge idea and the Virgin Sacrifice

: 1817

00:51:56,025 --> 00:51:59,415

idea and all that swash block and

adventure that we've seen Temple to Dom.

: 1818

00:52:00,525 --> 00:52:02,745

Then there's no one crying foul.

: 1819

00:52:02,955 --> 00:52:05,895

This already happened in that

unknown Tom Lee Jones film.

: 1820

00:52:05,895 --> 00:52:07,035

It was actually kind of fun.

: 1821

00:52:07,695 --> 00:52:08,265

I'm sorry.

: 1822

00:52:08,325 --> 00:52:11,295

I think the, what what happened was,

is Steven probably said, you know what?

: 1823

00:52:11,325 --> 00:52:12,375

I kind of like what they're doing here.

: 1824

00:52:12,705 --> 00:52:13,425

I want to do it.

: 1825

00:52:13,485 --> 00:52:14,265

I wanna do it better.

: 1826

00:52:15,015 --> 00:52:16,005

Bury this film.

: 1827

00:52:16,095 --> 00:52:16,485

Done.

: 1828

00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:17,430

Period.

: 1829

00:52:17,460 --> 00:52:18,000

I'm sorry.

: 1830

00:52:18,050 --> 00:52:22,190

It's so convenient that they're like,

oh, we don't want, why would they

: 1831

00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:27,440

even consider that Steven would be in

some sort of trouble with this film?

: 1832

00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,010

So the guy was fricking Steven

Spielberg in the eighties, et this oh,

: 1833

00:52:33,010 --> 00:52:37,510

we, we don't want Nate and Hayes to,

to take away the box office of Indy.

: 1834

00:52:37,570 --> 00:52:41,710

No, they didn't want this film to do

what exactly what I'm talking about.

: 1835

00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,420

People say, Hey, we just

saw this a year ago.

: 1836

00:52:43,915 --> 00:52:44,335

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1837

00:52:44,335 --> 00:52:44,615

Yeah.

: 1838

00:52:44,805 --> 00:52:45,095

Yeah.

: 1839

00:52:45,415 --> 00:52:47,856

I, I think you're right on the money.

: 1840

00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:49,403

Ryan Rebalkin: It breaks

my heart to say it though.

: 1841

00:52:49,403 --> 00:52:49,823

That's why I'm sick.

: 1842

00:52:49,823 --> 00:52:50,843

'cause I love Temple Doom.

: 1843

00:52:50,843 --> 00:52:51,683

But now I'm like, oh.

: 1844

00:52:51,713 --> 00:52:55,253

'cause again, the mo, I went to this

movie blind and the first thing I did,

: 1845

00:52:55,253 --> 00:52:59,123

Katie, when I saw the bridge sequence,

the first thing I did was pause the

: 1846

00:52:59,123 --> 00:53:01,553

film and double check the release date.

: 1847

00:53:01,553 --> 00:53:02,213

And there you go.

: 1848

00:53:02,213 --> 00:53:04,493

On the trivia was the very

thing that you just read.

: 1849

00:53:04,673 --> 00:53:05,873

I'm like, yes, Timble Doom.

: 1850

00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:07,523

So I'm like, oh, isn't that convenient?

: 1851

00:53:07,523 --> 00:53:12,173

Both by the same movie company and all my

brain went together like Occam's Razor.

: 1852

00:53:12,173 --> 00:53:13,313

Why did this happen?

: 1853

00:53:13,793 --> 00:53:16,313

Well, the easiest explanation

is they didn't want, they

: 1854

00:53:16,313 --> 00:53:17,543

didn't want their 10 pole movie.

: 1855

00:53:17,543 --> 00:53:18,563

Yes, rightfully so.

: 1856

00:53:18,863 --> 00:53:20,093

To be accused of plagiarism.

: 1857

00:53:20,833 --> 00:53:22,988

Katie: The other thing,

I got a lot of vibes.

: 1858

00:53:23,068 --> 00:53:25,078

One of my favorite movies is Romancing

: 1859

00:53:25,078 --> 00:53:25,738

the Stone,

: 1860

00:53:26,113 --> 00:53:26,653

Ryan Rebalkin: Of course,

: 1861

00:53:26,848 --> 00:53:28,618

Katie: came out in what, 85 maybe.

: 1862

00:53:29,278 --> 00:53:35,488

And there was a lot of similarities

from this movie in Romancing the Stone

: 1863

00:53:35,488 --> 00:53:35,878

too.

: 1864

00:53:36,208 --> 00:53:36,388

Okay.

: 1865

00:53:36,388 --> 00:53:36,868

So,

: 1866

00:53:37,003 --> 00:53:37,903

Ryan Rebalkin: came out the same year.

: 1867

00:53:39,148 --> 00:53:40,498

So they were in production

at the same time?

: 1868

00:53:40,528 --> 00:53:40,948

Katie: Yeah.

: 1869

00:53:40,978 --> 00:53:41,488

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah,

: 1870

00:53:41,608 --> 00:53:44,008

Katie: interesting because this

is, this did come out first.

: 1871

00:53:46,588 --> 00:53:49,948

I wonder why though, because

it's known as Savage Islands in

: 1872

00:53:49,948 --> 00:53:50,608

New Zealand.

: 1873

00:53:51,053 --> 00:53:51,473

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 1874

00:53:51,478 --> 00:53:52,948

Katie: was basically released only in

: 1875

00:53:52,948 --> 00:53:53,608

New Zealand and the

: 1876

00:53:53,903 --> 00:53:54,193

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1877

00:53:54,778 --> 00:53:58,888

On the other side of the world, those

New Zealanders don't have the, you

: 1878

00:53:58,888 --> 00:54:01,768

know, they're not, they're not gonna

tell anyone in the US about this.

: 1879

00:54:01,948 --> 00:54:05,068

And they didn't like, we're only

known about this now, like it worked.

: 1880

00:54:05,758 --> 00:54:06,448

This was buried.

: 1881

00:54:06,478 --> 00:54:07,318

This was buried.

: 1882

00:54:07,483 --> 00:54:09,853

Katie: but why did they change

the name for the US audience?

: 1883

00:54:09,913 --> 00:54:11,353

Savage Islands is better,

: 1884

00:54:13,003 --> 00:54:13,153

I

: 1885

00:54:13,198 --> 00:54:15,988

Ryan Rebalkin: Maybe even 'cause,

well I think it even maybe them for

: 1886

00:54:15,988 --> 00:54:17,758

political correctness to say Savage.

: 1887

00:54:19,498 --> 00:54:21,058

I think it was savage wasn't used.

: 1888

00:54:21,058 --> 00:54:23,158

It could be confused with,

'cause you don't say that

: 1889

00:54:23,158 --> 00:54:24,628

about the inhabitants anymore.

: 1890

00:54:24,628 --> 00:54:27,718

And even though it might just

mean the term, oh, it's brutal.

: 1891

00:54:27,718 --> 00:54:28,648

It's a brutal island.

: 1892

00:54:28,648 --> 00:54:31,378

I think when they titled it

Savage, I think they're referring

: 1893

00:54:31,378 --> 00:54:32,548

to the people, honestly.

: 1894

00:54:32,578 --> 00:54:35,308

'cause this whole movie was based on the

people that lived there and what they did.

: 1895

00:54:35,448 --> 00:54:37,873

Katie: Well, what was the

guy's name or the, the island.

: 1896

00:54:37,873 --> 00:54:39,103

They go with the king ppe.

: 1897

00:54:40,363 --> 00:54:44,323

They're like, oh, you know, the,

it has reputation for being really

: 1898

00:54:44,323 --> 00:54:45,878

they, they are brutal people.

: 1899

00:54:45,878 --> 00:54:46,388

They eat

: 1900

00:54:46,388 --> 00:54:47,108

up, they eat

: 1901

00:54:47,453 --> 00:54:47,813

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah,

: 1902

00:54:48,228 --> 00:54:51,968

Katie: There's some scenes where, like

the, those people are shown to lick their

: 1903

00:54:51,968 --> 00:54:53,648

lips when they bring in the new people.

: 1904

00:54:53,698 --> 00:54:54,208

Like they're

: 1905

00:54:54,313 --> 00:54:54,643

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

: 1906

00:54:54,658 --> 00:54:56,818

Katie: like salivating to eat them or

: 1907

00:54:56,818 --> 00:54:57,418

something.

: 1908

00:54:57,853 --> 00:54:58,903

Ryan Rebalkin: Again, temple Doom.

: 1909

00:54:58,993 --> 00:55:00,643

You know that creepiness, it's all there.

: 1910

00:55:00,693 --> 00:55:01,473

I, it's, it's,

: 1911

00:55:03,108 --> 00:55:03,903

it is insane.

: 1912

00:55:03,953 --> 00:55:05,273

And again, I love, it breaks my heart.

: 1913

00:55:05,273 --> 00:55:07,103

'cause Temple Doom is actually

my favorite indie film.

: 1914

00:55:07,433 --> 00:55:09,173

And now this is this movie.

: 1915

00:55:09,203 --> 00:55:09,683

Katie.

: 1916

00:55:09,713 --> 00:55:10,433

Shame on you.

: 1917

00:55:11,453 --> 00:55:14,873

This movie has actually tarnished

my fandom of Temple just a

: 1918

00:55:14,873 --> 00:55:17,038

little bit, knowing that this

is probably what happened.

: 1919

00:55:17,253 --> 00:55:18,788

Katie: There's so much from it.

: 1920

00:55:19,028 --> 00:55:21,398

Temple Doom's my favorite

Indiana Jones movie too.

: 1921

00:55:22,178 --> 00:55:24,938

now that I'm thinking through

and I loved all those tropes.

: 1922

00:55:24,938 --> 00:55:26,078

Isn't that the one where they eat

: 1923

00:55:26,078 --> 00:55:27,218

like monkey brains

: 1924

00:55:27,233 --> 00:55:27,713

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

: 1925

00:55:27,803 --> 00:55:28,283

Yeah.

: 1926

00:55:28,283 --> 00:55:28,284

Yeah.

: 1927

00:55:28,448 --> 00:55:28,808

Katie: yeah,

: 1928

00:55:28,973 --> 00:55:30,583

Ryan Rebalkin: And the, you

know what I wish they'd done?

: 1929

00:55:30,583 --> 00:55:34,063

I wish they put Kate Cap on this film

and put Jenny Seagrove in the indie

: 1930

00:55:34,063 --> 00:55:35,413

film, then you would have a perfect film.

: 1931

00:55:37,918 --> 00:55:38,158

Katie: yeah.

: 1932

00:55:38,203 --> 00:55:40,303

Ryan Rebalkin: Kate Capcha was the

one of the most annoying characters.

: 1933

00:55:40,303 --> 00:55:40,843

Look, I get it.

: 1934

00:55:40,843 --> 00:55:42,343

Steven, Steven married her later.

: 1935

00:55:42,348 --> 00:55:47,053

I, I understand She had big, you know,

she had big, she was very healthy.

: 1936

00:55:47,353 --> 00:55:47,683

And I think

: 1937

00:55:47,773 --> 00:55:50,683

Katie: She was well, so that's why she

: 1938

00:55:50,683 --> 00:55:51,703

was in it because Were they

: 1939

00:55:51,763 --> 00:55:52,663

Ryan Rebalkin: I, yes,

: 1940

00:55:52,963 --> 00:55:56,083

yes, they got married either

during the filming or after

: 1941

00:55:56,083 --> 00:55:56,923

it, but they fell in love.

: 1942

00:55:56,923 --> 00:55:58,273

I think it was during the filming of it.

: 1943

00:55:58,933 --> 00:55:59,563

Katie: Oh,

: 1944

00:55:59,658 --> 00:55:59,983

Ryan Rebalkin: I get it.

: 1945

00:55:59,983 --> 00:56:01,123

Steven's still just a guy.

: 1946

00:56:01,183 --> 00:56:01,303

Katie: in

: 1947

00:56:01,303 --> 00:56:01,903

it then

: 1948

00:56:02,323 --> 00:56:03,853

Ryan Rebalkin: I, yeah, good question.

: 1949

00:56:03,913 --> 00:56:07,033

I think they met on the

set, but I could be wrong.

: 1950

00:56:07,943 --> 00:56:08,183

Katie: Yeah.

: 1951

00:56:08,183 --> 00:56:11,693

So there's a few other characters

in this movie that you won't

: 1952

00:56:11,693 --> 00:56:13,313

know their names because

: 1953

00:56:13,393 --> 00:56:15,463

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, they,

sorry, they met on the set.

: 1954

00:56:15,553 --> 00:56:15,973

There you go.

: 1955

00:56:15,973 --> 00:56:16,663

Katie: they, okay.

: 1956

00:56:17,023 --> 00:56:18,223

Ryan Rebalkin: And they married in 91.

: 1957

00:56:19,078 --> 00:56:20,623

Katie: And then when

did they get divorced?

: 1958

00:56:21,643 --> 00:56:22,663

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, are they divorced now?

: 1959

00:56:22,753 --> 00:56:23,263

Katie: I assume

: 1960

00:56:23,263 --> 00:56:23,773

so.

: 1961

00:56:23,953 --> 00:56:24,343

I guess I

: 1962

00:56:24,453 --> 00:56:24,693

Maybe

: 1963

00:56:24,813 --> 00:56:25,203

Ryan Rebalkin: no.

: 1964

00:56:25,203 --> 00:56:26,523

They've been married since 91.

: 1965

00:56:27,033 --> 00:56:27,213

Katie: Well,

: 1966

00:56:27,423 --> 00:56:27,783

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1967

00:56:28,233 --> 00:56:28,443

Katie: Look

: 1968

00:56:28,503 --> 00:56:28,803

Ryan Rebalkin: for them.

: 1969

00:56:28,803 --> 00:56:29,043

Yeah.

: 1970

00:56:29,043 --> 00:56:29,463

Katie: Yeah.

: 1971

00:56:29,463 --> 00:56:29,583

I

: 1972

00:56:29,673 --> 00:56:29,883

Ryan Rebalkin: Yep.

: 1973

00:56:30,663 --> 00:56:30,933

Yeah.

: 1974

00:56:30,993 --> 00:56:31,203

Yeah.

: 1975

00:56:31,203 --> 00:56:31,593

Good for,

: 1976

00:56:31,623 --> 00:56:33,573

Katie: the rest of the

cast on Nate and Hayes.

: 1977

00:56:33,573 --> 00:56:35,193

AKA Savage Island.

: 1978

00:56:36,378 --> 00:56:37,908

It's just Nate and Hayes

isn't very descriptive.

: 1979

00:56:37,908 --> 00:56:38,208

I don't, I

: 1980

00:56:38,208 --> 00:56:38,478

don't know.

: 1981

00:56:38,478 --> 00:56:38,928

It just,

: 1982

00:56:39,003 --> 00:56:41,283

Ryan Rebalkin: no, look, I like,

don't get me wrong, I, sorry.

: 1983

00:56:41,403 --> 00:56:42,453

I like Savage Islands.

: 1984

00:56:42,453 --> 00:56:42,693

Dude.

: 1985

00:56:42,843 --> 00:56:43,653

That's a great title.

: 1986

00:56:43,653 --> 00:56:43,923

Sorry.

: 1987

00:56:43,923 --> 00:56:44,133

Yes.

: 1988

00:56:44,133 --> 00:56:44,613

Nate and Hayes.

: 1989

00:56:44,668 --> 00:56:45,348

Sounds like a,

: 1990

00:56:45,378 --> 00:56:45,948

Katie: You don't know what

: 1991

00:56:46,008 --> 00:56:46,748

Ryan Rebalkin: it sounds like a,

: 1992

00:56:47,208 --> 00:56:48,873

it sounds like a gay love story.

: 1993

00:56:48,873 --> 00:56:51,223

I thought, I thought we were gonna do

honestly, I thought, oh, this is gonna

: 1994

00:56:51,223 --> 00:56:54,583

be some sort of like independent art

film about Nate and Hayes, or both

: 1995

00:56:54,583 --> 00:56:57,703

the married men or whatever, but they

have the little tri in the summer.

: 1996

00:56:57,703 --> 00:57:00,703

I honestly had no idea what this

film just by the title alone.

: 1997

00:57:01,318 --> 00:57:04,018

Katie: The title gives you no

indication what kind of movie it is.

: 1998

00:57:04,328 --> 00:57:05,768

But getting back to Jenny Seagrove,

: 1999

00:57:07,148 --> 00:57:07,808

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, please.

: 2000

00:57:08,048 --> 00:57:08,408

Katie: She's

: 2001

00:57:08,408 --> 00:57:09,398

English and

: 2002

00:57:09,673 --> 00:57:10,093

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 2003

00:57:10,538 --> 00:57:13,748

Katie: she's known for a TV miniseries

called a Woman of Substance.

: 2004

00:57:14,918 --> 00:57:15,008

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm.

: 2005

00:57:15,053 --> 00:57:15,833

Katie: But that's about it.

: 2006

00:57:15,893 --> 00:57:19,193

And then everybody else is either

New Zealand actor, Australian

: 2007

00:57:19,193 --> 00:57:21,023

actor, New Zealand actor,

: 2008

00:57:21,023 --> 00:57:22,373

New Zealand actor.

: 2009

00:57:22,718 --> 00:57:23,798

Ryan Rebalkin: And the one American actor.

: 2010

00:57:24,293 --> 00:57:25,423

Katie: and so Mr.

: 2011

00:57:25,423 --> 00:57:27,433

Blake is another character.

: 2012

00:57:27,433 --> 00:57:32,893

He's played by Bruce All Press,

grant Tilly plays Count Rittenberg.

: 2013

00:57:32,893 --> 00:57:35,323

That was kind of a fun

character, this German count.

: 2014

00:57:35,323 --> 00:57:38,013

And they kept saying this

is like the president.

: 2015

00:57:38,063 --> 00:57:38,663

I'm a Count.

: 2016

00:57:39,033 --> 00:57:39,603

Oh.

: 2017

00:57:39,713 --> 00:57:40,583

. Admiral.

: 2018

00:57:41,023 --> 00:57:41,313

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2019

00:57:41,393 --> 00:57:42,713

Katie: it's count, whatever.

: 2020

00:57:42,773 --> 00:57:43,223

I actually

: 2021

00:57:43,313 --> 00:57:43,733

Ryan Rebalkin: He's,

: 2022

00:57:43,793 --> 00:57:44,183

Katie: of funny.

: 2023

00:57:44,243 --> 00:57:44,513

Like

: 2024

00:57:44,513 --> 00:57:48,053

Ryan Rebalkin: and he was the one that

was that fought Tommy Lee at the very end.

: 2025

00:57:48,053 --> 00:57:48,623

His character.

: 2026

00:57:48,623 --> 00:57:50,213

They had the big fight at on the ship.

: 2027

00:57:50,963 --> 00:57:51,773

Is that the one we're talking about?

: 2028

00:57:51,773 --> 00:57:52,073

Yeah,

: 2029

00:57:53,363 --> 00:57:54,803

he's the older gentleman.

: 2030

00:57:54,893 --> 00:57:55,733

It's kind of short.

: 2031

00:57:55,888 --> 00:57:56,108

Katie: yep.

: 2032

00:57:56,453 --> 00:57:56,753

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2033

00:57:56,933 --> 00:58:02,063

Which is interesting that, I mean,

it is just weird that that was the

: 2034

00:58:02,063 --> 00:58:04,643

final fight for Tommy Lee Jones

character, where he had a hard time

: 2035

00:58:04,643 --> 00:58:06,053

with that older Port Lee gentleman.

: 2036

00:58:06,143 --> 00:58:07,493

That's the only thing

that was weird about that.

: 2037

00:58:07,493 --> 00:58:09,863

Like the, the guy handled

himself in a so fight.

: 2038

00:58:09,893 --> 00:58:12,683

Maybe he was just a good warrior

back in the day and he, he had one

: 2039

00:58:12,683 --> 00:58:14,153

last hurrah before he got killed.

: 2040

00:58:15,948 --> 00:58:21,938

Katie: Then Louis Beck was the auctioneer

and then the King of Pan Nappe was quite

: 2041

00:58:21,938 --> 00:58:22,838

the character,

: 2042

00:58:23,003 --> 00:58:23,723

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

: 2043

00:58:24,668 --> 00:58:25,838

Katie: like super fat

: 2044

00:58:25,888 --> 00:58:27,358

Ryan Rebalkin: he was like

a Simone job of the hut.

: 2045

00:58:29,053 --> 00:58:29,353

Katie: yeah.

: 2046

00:58:29,353 --> 00:58:29,593

So

: 2047

00:58:29,593 --> 00:58:30,313

he's like,

: 2048

00:58:30,718 --> 00:58:31,978

Ryan Rebalkin: He really like.

: 2049

00:58:32,143 --> 00:58:34,533

Katie: they, they offer up Sophie as

: 2050

00:58:34,533 --> 00:58:35,758

sacrifice to, to

: 2051

00:58:35,778 --> 00:58:36,348

Ryan Rebalkin: That's right.

: 2052

00:58:36,693 --> 00:58:37,203

Katie: to this,

: 2053

00:58:37,288 --> 00:58:37,798

King.

: 2054

00:58:38,248 --> 00:58:39,058

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, he, yeah.

: 2055

00:58:39,268 --> 00:58:41,188

Katie: by a man named Prince Tuy.

: 2056

00:58:41,188 --> 00:58:41,668

Teka,

: 2057

00:58:42,628 --> 00:58:43,048

like that's

: 2058

00:58:43,198 --> 00:58:43,468

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh,

: 2059

00:58:43,618 --> 00:58:44,008

Katie: name.

: 2060

00:58:44,938 --> 00:58:45,538

Ryan Rebalkin: good for him.

: 2061

00:58:45,538 --> 00:58:46,588

Katie: Maori singer and

: 2062

00:58:46,588 --> 00:58:47,068

actor.

: 2063

00:58:47,728 --> 00:58:48,208

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, wow.

: 2064

00:58:48,358 --> 00:58:48,748

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2065

00:58:48,988 --> 00:58:48,989

Yeah.

: 2066

00:58:49,618 --> 00:58:49,948

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2067

00:58:50,248 --> 00:58:50,668

All fun.

: 2068

00:58:50,668 --> 00:58:56,338

Char again, every character

was fun and, and colorful.

: 2069

00:58:56,858 --> 00:59:00,788

This is a, again, a fun

film, but it is not for kids.

: 2070

00:59:00,788 --> 00:59:01,328

I don't think.

: 2071

00:59:01,328 --> 00:59:04,238

I would you say a, an 8-year-old

should watch this film,

: 2072

00:59:04,238 --> 00:59:05,438

for example, or 9-year-old?

: 2073

00:59:05,678 --> 00:59:05,828

Katie: but

: 2074

00:59:05,858 --> 00:59:06,038

Ryan Rebalkin: don't,

: 2075

00:59:06,548 --> 00:59:10,478

Katie: this is before well,

so in, in America we're fine

: 2076

00:59:10,478 --> 00:59:11,528

with violence as long as you

: 2077

00:59:11,558 --> 00:59:13,538

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, there's no boobs.

: 2078

00:59:13,538 --> 00:59:16,688

I, I would've been fine if Jenny had a

disrobing scene, but, you know, well,

: 2079

00:59:16,783 --> 00:59:18,098

Katie: Amer, we're, so, we're like,

: 2080

00:59:18,098 --> 00:59:18,998

violence is fine.

: 2081

00:59:19,268 --> 00:59:20,198

Ryan Rebalkin: violence is fine.

: 2082

00:59:20,198 --> 00:59:20,498

Yeah.

: 2083

00:59:20,618 --> 00:59:24,188

Katie: because PG 13 did

not yet exist in: 1983

: 2084

00:59:24,788 --> 00:59:25,388

Ryan Rebalkin: I guess not.

: 2085

00:59:25,388 --> 00:59:25,778

Yeah.

: 2086

00:59:25,808 --> 00:59:28,088

This is a weird, I don't know

what you'd rate this today.

: 2087

00:59:28,088 --> 00:59:29,928

Probably 14 I don't know, 14 e.

: 2088

00:59:30,108 --> 00:59:30,678

Katie: probably.

: 2089

00:59:30,888 --> 00:59:31,878

Ryan Rebalkin: 13 or

whatever you guys have.

: 2090

00:59:31,878 --> 00:59:33,798

I think we call it 14

a in Canada, but yeah.

: 2091

00:59:33,828 --> 00:59:34,038

Okay,

: 2092

00:59:34,068 --> 00:59:34,458

Katie: Yeah.

: 2093

00:59:34,728 --> 00:59:39,018

I mean, it is, I actually think like

the violence now, granted, I think

: 2094

00:59:39,018 --> 00:59:43,668

the tone of the violence is partially

why they, it is not meant to be

: 2095

00:59:43,668 --> 00:59:44,388

taken so

: 2096

00:59:44,778 --> 00:59:45,198

Ryan Rebalkin: okay.

: 2097

00:59:45,198 --> 00:59:48,348

But there was times that there

were just, it was just violence.

: 2098

00:59:48,483 --> 00:59:48,903

Katie: Yeah.

: 2099

00:59:49,008 --> 00:59:49,818

Ryan Rebalkin: I love violence.

: 2100

00:59:49,848 --> 00:59:52,298

I love I love a violent film

because has nothing to do with that.

: 2101

00:59:52,598 --> 00:59:55,868

But I didn't know where to put the,

you know, when you watch a film, like

: 2102

00:59:55,868 --> 00:59:59,108

again, I, Quentin Tarantino film, you

kind of know where to put your brain.

: 2103

00:59:59,108 --> 01:00:01,568

Okay, we're doing Tarantino, we

know it's gonna go somewhere.

: 2104

01:00:01,568 --> 01:00:04,238

Like I'm prepared, it's

going here with this film.

: 2105

01:00:04,238 --> 01:00:05,288

It's like, oh, we went there.

: 2106

01:00:05,408 --> 01:00:08,768

Like they just shot those two old

people in the head at a wedding.

: 2107

01:00:08,768 --> 01:00:09,068

Like what?

: 2108

01:00:09,548 --> 01:00:10,268

Hilarious.

: 2109

01:00:10,268 --> 01:00:12,958

Katie: Speaking of those people,

what was that character's name?

: 2110

01:00:13,268 --> 01:00:15,113

The guy with the glasses on the island.

: 2111

01:00:15,233 --> 01:00:16,253

What was that dude's name?

: 2112

01:00:16,253 --> 01:00:16,943

Moca.

: 2113

01:00:17,003 --> 01:00:18,923

Moca was the character's name.

: 2114

01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:19,703

He comes

: 2115

01:00:19,703 --> 01:00:20,783

running to tell them

: 2116

01:00:20,888 --> 01:00:21,638

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah.

: 2117

01:00:21,643 --> 01:00:21,793

Yeah

: 2118

01:00:21,953 --> 01:00:26,173

Katie: that, that Nate and Sophie

are there and turns out it's the

: 2119

01:00:26,173 --> 01:00:27,913

reverend and his wife, and that's the

: 2120

01:00:27,913 --> 01:00:28,753

aunt and uncle of

: 2121

01:00:29,098 --> 01:00:29,578

Ryan Rebalkin: that's right.

: 2122

01:00:29,788 --> 01:00:30,178

That's right.

: 2123

01:00:30,593 --> 01:00:32,183

Katie: They're gonna get

married and they're gonna be

: 2124

01:00:32,183 --> 01:00:33,443

missionaries on this island.

: 2125

01:00:33,803 --> 01:00:39,863

And he comes to tell them that they're

there and he calls them Big man God, mama

: 2126

01:00:39,863 --> 01:00:40,823

Jesus Christ.

: 2127

01:00:41,198 --> 01:00:41,588

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2128

01:00:41,633 --> 01:00:41,933

Katie: little

: 2129

01:00:41,933 --> 01:00:43,133

things like that that were

: 2130

01:00:43,148 --> 01:00:43,628

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

: 2131

01:00:43,733 --> 01:00:44,063

Katie: funny.

: 2132

01:00:44,063 --> 01:00:45,593

And they're like, don't call us that.

: 2133

01:00:45,593 --> 01:00:48,013

It's it's like blasphemous or

: 2134

01:00:48,013 --> 01:00:48,613

something.

: 2135

01:00:49,048 --> 01:00:50,218

Ryan Rebalkin: And what, you

know what's even funnier?

: 2136

01:00:50,218 --> 01:00:51,718

That same character we thought

we'd see throughout the

: 2137

01:00:51,718 --> 01:00:53,038

film gets brutally murdered.

: 2138

01:00:53,458 --> 01:00:55,978

You know, he's saying, but at the

film, he gets shot in the back.

: 2139

01:00:56,578 --> 01:00:57,418

Mary gets his back.

: 2140

01:00:57,538 --> 01:00:58,843

Yeah, he gets his like back blown out.

: 2141

01:00:58,963 --> 01:00:59,623

Katie: Yeah.

: 2142

01:00:59,983 --> 01:01:00,193

Yeah.

: 2143

01:01:00,193 --> 01:01:00,343

He

: 2144

01:01:00,418 --> 01:01:02,253

Ryan Rebalkin: I'm like,

oh okay, you're dead.

: 2145

01:01:02,613 --> 01:01:04,683

That's your, like he

was, that's the thing.

: 2146

01:01:04,683 --> 01:01:09,423

So it's interesting, they, they kind

of provided these interesting and

: 2147

01:01:09,423 --> 01:01:12,123

memorable characters just to have

them later have their heads blown off.

: 2148

01:01:12,873 --> 01:01:13,383

It's like,

: 2149

01:01:13,758 --> 01:01:15,558

Katie: happened to, did Ratbag die?

: 2150

01:01:15,603 --> 01:01:17,718

I, I thought he was kind

of a fun character too.

: 2151

01:01:17,718 --> 01:01:19,548

Also, just the name Ratbag.

: 2152

01:01:19,908 --> 01:01:20,178

He was

: 2153

01:01:20,253 --> 01:01:21,453

Ryan Rebalkin: which

character did he play again?

: 2154

01:01:21,708 --> 01:01:22,958

Katie: the smaller he was

: 2155

01:01:23,123 --> 01:01:23,903

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah,

: 2156

01:01:23,918 --> 01:01:24,278

Katie: Jones

: 2157

01:01:24,623 --> 01:01:24,833

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

: 2158

01:01:24,833 --> 01:01:25,583

Oh yeah.

: 2159

01:01:25,583 --> 01:01:26,303

So I think, okay.

: 2160

01:01:26,333 --> 01:01:28,433

'cause we see the Flash,

the beginning of the film.

: 2161

01:01:28,523 --> 01:01:33,723

Him and his number two Tom Lee Jones

character's number two guy played by,

: 2162

01:01:34,993 --> 01:01:35,398

Katie: it Mr.

: 2163

01:01:35,398 --> 01:01:35,713

Blake?

: 2164

01:01:36,628 --> 01:01:37,768

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, I think that's him.

: 2165

01:01:38,098 --> 01:01:40,228

You know what famous scene he had?

: 2166

01:01:40,228 --> 01:01:41,788

This is like totally nerding out here.

: 2167

01:01:42,208 --> 01:01:46,648

He had the famous scene in the Lord of

the Rings, the two towers where he was on

: 2168

01:01:46,648 --> 01:01:48,858

the wall of the the Battle of Helms Deep.

: 2169

01:01:50,043 --> 01:01:51,273

He's a character named Aldo.

: 2170

01:01:51,483 --> 01:01:52,263

And I was like, really?

: 2171

01:01:52,263 --> 01:01:54,033

That's him a very small role.

: 2172

01:01:54,403 --> 01:01:57,313

I think his, his arrow goes off

accidentally or something like that.

: 2173

01:01:58,033 --> 01:02:00,583

Anyways, that's him again.

: 2174

01:02:00,583 --> 01:02:01,933

New Zealand makes sense, Lord.

: 2175

01:02:01,933 --> 01:02:04,748

The Rings was filmed in New

Zealand, but that being said, so Mr.

: 2176

01:02:04,748 --> 01:02:05,123

Blake?

: 2177

01:02:05,123 --> 01:02:05,918

Yeah, so Mr.

: 2178

01:02:05,918 --> 01:02:09,773

Blake and Rap Bank, we never see their

desks, but the gates close on them

: 2179

01:02:09,773 --> 01:02:14,603

as they're surrounded by the Savages

surround these two characters and we see

: 2180

01:02:14,603 --> 01:02:20,093

Tom Lee Jones chuckling as he runs away

as his number two person, the person he

: 2181

01:02:20,093 --> 01:02:24,473

could, you know, worked with and, and,

and was his like co-captain so to speak.

: 2182

01:02:24,503 --> 01:02:25,073

And friend.

: 2183

01:02:25,243 --> 01:02:25,533

Katie: Yeah.

: 2184

01:02:25,763 --> 01:02:30,563

Ryan Rebalkin: about to be, you know,

probably eaten or skewered and he's

: 2185

01:02:30,563 --> 01:02:31,913

just running away, kind of chuckling.

: 2186

01:02:31,913 --> 01:02:32,393

That's what I mean.

: 2187

01:02:32,393 --> 01:02:35,693

Like his, we, that's what even

makes it more weird, is we see the

: 2188

01:02:35,693 --> 01:02:37,343

backstory of how close they were.

: 2189

01:02:37,763 --> 01:02:40,463

And Tom Lee Jones made no

indication that he was gonna rescue

: 2190

01:02:40,463 --> 01:02:41,783

them, that he cared about them.

: 2191

01:02:42,053 --> 01:02:43,703

He just chuckled as he's running away.

: 2192

01:02:45,173 --> 01:02:45,938

It's just a weird.

: 2193

01:02:46,208 --> 01:02:49,068

Katie: There basically, there's three

people that matter in this movie,

: 2194

01:02:50,718 --> 01:02:51,258

Nate

: 2195

01:02:51,288 --> 01:02:51,678

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2196

01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:52,158

Katie: Bully.

: 2197

01:02:53,028 --> 01:02:54,918

This should have been called

Nate and Bully, because they

: 2198

01:02:54,918 --> 01:02:55,968

call him Bully the whole time.

: 2199

01:02:55,968 --> 01:02:56,538

They never call him

: 2200

01:02:56,538 --> 01:02:57,048

Hayes.

: 2201

01:02:57,738 --> 01:02:58,488

Ryan Rebalkin: Well that's what's weird.

: 2202

01:02:58,518 --> 01:03:01,248

Yeah, that's his last name and

Nathaniel's his first name.

: 2203

01:03:01,248 --> 01:03:04,518

So they got one character's name and

the title is the first name, and then

: 2204

01:03:04,518 --> 01:03:05,958

the other character is their last name.

: 2205

01:03:06,168 --> 01:03:06,828

So this should have been, yeah.

: 2206

01:03:06,828 --> 01:03:07,638

Bully and Nate

: 2207

01:03:08,028 --> 01:03:08,508

Katie: yeah,

: 2208

01:03:09,018 --> 01:03:10,458

Ryan Rebalkin: or Williamson and Hayes

: 2209

01:03:10,698 --> 01:03:11,508

Katie: yeah.

: 2210

01:03:12,228 --> 01:03:13,488

Or Savage

: 2211

01:03:13,488 --> 01:03:14,448

Islands.

: 2212

01:03:14,628 --> 01:03:16,068

Ryan Rebalkin: or Savage Islands

: 2213

01:03:16,218 --> 01:03:16,638

Katie: yeah.

: 2214

01:03:16,878 --> 01:03:17,568

Ryan Rebalkin: the or.

: 2215

01:03:17,568 --> 01:03:19,158

Sophie, Nate and Hayes.

: 2216

01:03:19,378 --> 01:03:20,008

Anyways, what,

: 2217

01:03:21,358 --> 01:03:22,258

two men and a lady?

: 2218

01:03:22,288 --> 01:03:24,918

Katie: the music was

very Indiana Jones esque

: 2219

01:03:24,918 --> 01:03:25,728

as well.

: 2220

01:03:25,758 --> 01:03:26,118

Didn't you

: 2221

01:03:26,123 --> 01:03:26,413

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2222

01:03:26,568 --> 01:03:26,688

Katie: the

: 2223

01:03:26,868 --> 01:03:27,948

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

: 2224

01:03:27,948 --> 01:03:29,868

And guess who was a very famous composer?

: 2225

01:03:29,958 --> 01:03:31,398

Very famous composer,

: 2226

01:03:31,548 --> 01:03:31,878

Katie: And what

: 2227

01:03:32,058 --> 01:03:32,658

Ryan Rebalkin: yes.

: 2228

01:03:32,808 --> 01:03:33,528

Katie: did he compose,

: 2229

01:03:33,528 --> 01:03:34,098

Ryan?

: 2230

01:03:34,708 --> 01:03:35,638

Ryan Rebalkin: Last Mohicans.

: 2231

01:03:35,758 --> 01:03:36,418

Katie: Yeah.

: 2232

01:03:36,418 --> 01:03:37,528

Which we co, which we

: 2233

01:03:37,588 --> 01:03:37,678

Ryan Rebalkin: It.

: 2234

01:03:37,948 --> 01:03:41,548

Katie: on the network, the

Director's chair network

: 2235

01:03:41,668 --> 01:03:42,598

for

: 2236

01:03:42,718 --> 01:03:43,168

Ryan Rebalkin: fantastic.

: 2237

01:03:43,168 --> 01:03:45,268

Yeah, we did for the Ed Zwick season.

: 2238

01:03:45,658 --> 01:03:47,008

Sorry for the Michael Mann season,

: 2239

01:03:47,668 --> 01:03:50,758

and that's fantastic 'cause

I, I saw that, I'm like wow.

: 2240

01:03:51,028 --> 01:03:52,618

Early, early for him.

: 2241

01:03:52,618 --> 01:03:57,628

He had done just before that,

just five films, so it was

: 2242

01:03:57,628 --> 01:03:58,948

fairly early in his career.

: 2243

01:03:59,008 --> 01:04:02,008

And Low did we know that he is gonna

create one of the greatest soundtracks

: 2244

01:04:02,008 --> 01:04:05,158

of all time in the last Mohicans,

where he was nominated for Golden

: 2245

01:04:05,158 --> 01:04:07,228

Globes and all that good stuff.

: 2246

01:04:07,228 --> 01:04:07,528

But yeah,

: 2247

01:04:07,948 --> 01:04:08,758

Katie: He also

: 2248

01:04:08,758 --> 01:04:09,738

did cliff.

: 2249

01:04:09,798 --> 01:04:10,068

Yep.

: 2250

01:04:10,068 --> 01:04:15,828

Cliffhanger and some funny, like some

other movies that kind of more in, in this

: 2251

01:04:15,878 --> 01:04:20,828

theme or Tone Labyrinth and Arachnophobia.

: 2252

01:04:21,273 --> 01:04:21,623

Ryan Rebalkin: right?

: 2253

01:04:21,813 --> 01:04:22,103

Yeah.

: 2254

01:04:22,208 --> 01:04:25,993

Katie: But then on the exact opposite end

of that spectrum, Mississippi Burning,

: 2255

01:04:27,128 --> 01:04:27,368

you know,

: 2256

01:04:27,638 --> 01:04:28,178

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah.

: 2257

01:04:28,178 --> 01:04:28,478

The

: 2258

01:04:28,478 --> 01:04:28,808

Katie: last

: 2259

01:04:29,168 --> 01:04:30,818

Ryan Rebalkin: feel, feel

Good movie of the year.

: 2260

01:04:31,268 --> 01:04:33,218

Katie: yeah, yeah.

: 2261

01:04:33,318 --> 01:04:36,079

So , I guess I think I would need

to give it a, a rewatch 'cause.

: 2262

01:04:36,648 --> 01:04:39,258

I literally had no idea what

I was getting myself in for.

: 2263

01:04:40,068 --> 01:04:44,418

then I really did enjoy the way

they did the setup, though, like

: 2264

01:04:44,418 --> 01:04:46,428

the first five minutes of the movie

: 2265

01:04:48,858 --> 01:04:51,198

he's Tommy Lee Jones is like a gun runner,

: 2266

01:04:51,378 --> 01:04:53,178

and he escapes death.

: 2267

01:04:53,178 --> 01:04:57,138

And, but just when you think he

gets away, he meets someone who's

: 2268

01:04:57,273 --> 01:04:59,988

clearly like a frenemy or something.

: 2269

01:04:59,988 --> 01:05:00,138

When

: 2270

01:05:00,243 --> 01:05:00,783

Ryan Rebalkin: Right,

: 2271

01:05:01,128 --> 01:05:02,718

Katie: We're like, oh,

he clearly knows him.

: 2272

01:05:02,718 --> 01:05:03,138

And it's like

: 2273

01:05:03,138 --> 01:05:04,248

they're, they're like

: 2274

01:05:04,293 --> 01:05:04,653

Ryan Rebalkin: right.

: 2275

01:05:04,818 --> 01:05:05,898

Katie: terms, but they also hate

: 2276

01:05:05,898 --> 01:05:06,468

each other.

: 2277

01:05:06,903 --> 01:05:07,203

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2278

01:05:07,338 --> 01:05:09,208

Katie: arrested and put in jail.

: 2279

01:05:09,628 --> 01:05:11,368

And for some reason

: 2280

01:05:13,258 --> 01:05:13,498

or

: 2281

01:05:13,753 --> 01:05:14,113

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2282

01:05:14,128 --> 01:05:14,518

Katie: is put

: 2283

01:05:14,773 --> 01:05:15,223

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2284

01:05:15,238 --> 01:05:15,778

Katie: cell with

: 2285

01:05:15,778 --> 01:05:16,798

him to write a

: 2286

01:05:16,903 --> 01:05:17,473

Ryan Rebalkin: That's the idea.

: 2287

01:05:17,473 --> 01:05:18,643

'cause he's a real person, right?

: 2288

01:05:18,643 --> 01:05:21,823

So you could argue if they're taking

the real angle, this was a real person

: 2289

01:05:21,823 --> 01:05:25,333

that is in history, that you have

a historian saying, okay, well here

: 2290

01:05:25,333 --> 01:05:27,433

you're about to be hung for your crimes.

: 2291

01:05:27,763 --> 01:05:28,603

Tell me about your life.

: 2292

01:05:28,603 --> 01:05:29,473

Tell me about your story.

: 2293

01:05:29,473 --> 01:05:33,913

And Tommy Lee Jones goes into the

old, well, the reason why I ended

: 2294

01:05:33,913 --> 01:05:35,383

up here today is, here we go.

: 2295

01:05:35,383 --> 01:05:38,353

And then we see again, the crew that

he has all these life and adventures

: 2296

01:05:38,353 --> 01:05:40,213

with that we just saw killed.

: 2297

01:05:40,213 --> 01:05:44,113

That's what I, I took this literally, not

literally, but I, I was really watching

: 2298

01:05:44,113 --> 01:05:48,283

this oh, we're seeing those characters

that we just saw slaughtered, because I

: 2299

01:05:48,283 --> 01:05:49,363

didn't think we'd ever see them again.

: 2300

01:05:49,363 --> 01:05:49,633

Right?

: 2301

01:05:49,683 --> 01:05:50,828

Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah,

: 2302

01:05:51,513 --> 01:05:54,243

Ryan Rebalkin: so it was interesting

to see these characters that we

: 2303

01:05:54,243 --> 01:05:56,133

just saw killed and or captured.

: 2304

01:05:56,913 --> 01:05:59,073

Now we're seeing their

life in adventure together.

: 2305

01:05:59,123 --> 01:05:59,813

, It's weird.

: 2306

01:05:59,813 --> 01:06:02,813

So when you re-watch the film, re-watch

the beginning, I'm almost curious

: 2307

01:06:02,813 --> 01:06:05,813

to do it now, just now that we know

the characters and what happens to

: 2308

01:06:05,813 --> 01:06:08,153

them where he's so blase about it.

: 2309

01:06:08,813 --> 01:06:09,983

Katie: Blase, that's a good word for it.

: 2310

01:06:10,403 --> 01:06:14,323

But because it took me a minute to

realize that things were supposed

: 2311

01:06:14,323 --> 01:06:16,843

to be funny 'cause I, again, no

: 2312

01:06:17,023 --> 01:06:17,773

idea what I was

: 2313

01:06:17,923 --> 01:06:18,133

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2314

01:06:18,133 --> 01:06:18,583

Right,

: 2315

01:06:18,613 --> 01:06:22,283

Katie: And we see these guys

going through a rainforest

: 2316

01:06:22,583 --> 01:06:23,003

Ryan Rebalkin: right.

: 2317

01:06:23,063 --> 01:06:25,673

Katie: and there's a snake,

so it's sort of like the anti

: 2318

01:06:25,853 --> 01:06:27,173

Ryan Rebalkin: You right, right.

: 2319

01:06:27,293 --> 01:06:28,823

Katie: 'cause he is like, oh,

were you afraid of a snake?

: 2320

01:06:28,823 --> 01:06:29,153

And he just

: 2321

01:06:29,153 --> 01:06:29,753

picks it up,

: 2322

01:06:30,293 --> 01:06:30,623

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2323

01:06:30,683 --> 01:06:31,673

Katie: and throws it.

: 2324

01:06:31,953 --> 01:06:32,253

He doesn't

: 2325

01:06:32,253 --> 01:06:33,003

kill it or anything.

: 2326

01:06:33,093 --> 01:06:33,273

But

: 2327

01:06:33,453 --> 01:06:33,873

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 2328

01:06:34,293 --> 01:06:38,583

Katie: bag, and kills it, puts

it in his bag and he's like,

: 2329

01:06:38,583 --> 01:06:39,723

oh, lemme make a nice little bag

: 2330

01:06:39,723 --> 01:06:40,143

later.

: 2331

01:06:40,173 --> 01:06:44,013

Or something like, so it's like little

things like that that I was like, wait,

: 2332

01:06:44,043 --> 01:06:45,153

okay, is this

: 2333

01:06:45,303 --> 01:06:46,143

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 2334

01:06:47,233 --> 01:06:49,633

The way Indiana Jones is funny,

that kind of humorous, it's not

: 2335

01:06:49,633 --> 01:06:51,013

a comedy, but there's like a,

: 2336

01:06:51,523 --> 01:06:53,143

the wink at the camera, the smirk.

: 2337

01:06:53,416 --> 01:06:54,106

Katie: definitely.

: 2338

01:06:54,106 --> 01:06:57,456

And when, when Nate's

character, so there's confusion.

: 2339

01:06:57,486 --> 01:07:02,826

So this piece comes to the island, shoots

like immediately disrupts the wedding.

: 2340

01:07:02,826 --> 01:07:06,146

And you see it happening 'cause there's

cuts back and forth, between, and so

: 2341

01:07:06,146 --> 01:07:11,406

it's like very clear that they come and

I was not expecting for the immediate

: 2342

01:07:11,406 --> 01:07:12,006

carnage.

: 2343

01:07:12,066 --> 01:07:12,456

And I was

: 2344

01:07:12,471 --> 01:07:12,711

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2345

01:07:12,936 --> 01:07:13,566

Katie: shit.

: 2346

01:07:13,641 --> 01:07:13,911

Ryan Rebalkin: wedding.

: 2347

01:07:13,911 --> 01:07:14,121

Yeah.

: 2348

01:07:14,121 --> 01:07:16,371

That is a wedding crasher,

you're literally murdering

: 2349

01:07:17,436 --> 01:07:17,616

Katie: And

: 2350

01:07:17,721 --> 01:07:18,291

Ryan Rebalkin: everyone.

: 2351

01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:20,136

Katie: putting like chains

: 2352

01:07:20,136 --> 01:07:20,826

and shackles

: 2353

01:07:21,171 --> 01:07:21,681

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2354

01:07:21,966 --> 01:07:22,776

Katie: islanders

: 2355

01:07:22,776 --> 01:07:23,766

and, and it's like, oh,

: 2356

01:07:24,021 --> 01:07:24,201

Ryan Rebalkin: It,

: 2357

01:07:24,396 --> 01:07:25,056

Katie: is stealing them.

: 2358

01:07:25,221 --> 01:07:25,761

Ryan Rebalkin: oh, yeah.

: 2359

01:07:25,761 --> 01:07:28,701

There's a, there's a byline or

there's a sub subplot throughout

: 2360

01:07:28,701 --> 01:07:29,661

the film about slavery.

: 2361

01:07:29,661 --> 01:07:31,611

It's an anti-slavery

message throughout the film.

: 2362

01:07:31,686 --> 01:07:31,961

Katie: Well, he's

: 2363

01:07:32,196 --> 01:07:33,006

a slave trader.

: 2364

01:07:33,111 --> 01:07:33,471

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2365

01:07:33,681 --> 01:07:34,161

Yeah.

: 2366

01:07:34,386 --> 01:07:34,986

Katie: Peas.

: 2367

01:07:36,036 --> 01:07:38,526

And then there's a point

where they go to an auction.

: 2368

01:07:38,526 --> 01:07:39,576

They're clearly selling

: 2369

01:07:39,576 --> 01:07:40,236

people,

: 2370

01:07:40,701 --> 01:07:41,121

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 2371

01:07:41,586 --> 01:07:45,346

Katie: he's trying to get on the

good side of this German count.

: 2372

01:07:46,426 --> 01:07:47,086

he's like.

: 2373

01:07:48,241 --> 01:07:50,371

All, like any decent country has

: 2374

01:07:50,371 --> 01:07:51,541

outlawed slavery by now.

: 2375

01:07:51,646 --> 01:07:52,126

Ryan Rebalkin: Right,

: 2376

01:07:52,171 --> 01:07:52,796

Katie: No, no, no, no.

: 2377

01:07:52,826 --> 01:07:53,786

They're not slaves.

: 2378

01:07:53,816 --> 01:07:54,536

They're

: 2379

01:07:54,716 --> 01:07:56,126

contract workers or

: 2380

01:07:56,411 --> 01:07:57,101

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, sure.

: 2381

01:07:57,866 --> 01:08:03,426

Katie: And then the whorehouse scene, it

was a bit all over the place, but it was

: 2382

01:08:04,476 --> 01:08:04,836

once

: 2383

01:08:04,971 --> 01:08:05,271

Ryan Rebalkin: scene is,

: 2384

01:08:05,661 --> 01:08:07,311

yeah, no scene is boring though.

: 2385

01:08:07,431 --> 01:08:08,301

No scene is boring.

: 2386

01:08:08,301 --> 01:08:09,561

Like every setup is kind of fun.

: 2387

01:08:09,561 --> 01:08:14,311

It, it, look, it doesn't quite make

sense in the the way things segue

: 2388

01:08:14,311 --> 01:08:19,501

to each other, the way the fast

traveling that the characters do.

: 2389

01:08:19,501 --> 01:08:20,251

There's a lot of.

: 2390

01:08:22,036 --> 01:08:23,055

I can see why it has a cult.

: 2391

01:08:23,086 --> 01:08:24,676

This is a movie that has a cult falling.

: 2392

01:08:24,916 --> 01:08:26,805

These are the type of movies

that have the cult falling.

: 2393

01:08:26,805 --> 01:08:31,426

Because when you kind of let yourself just

enjoy the film, there's a lot to enjoy.

: 2394

01:08:31,786 --> 01:08:34,876

But it's not objectively, it's

not a good film in that you like,

: 2395

01:08:34,876 --> 01:08:36,106

oh, this is well put together.

: 2396

01:08:36,106 --> 01:08:36,916

This all makes sense.

: 2397

01:08:36,916 --> 01:08:37,935

The tone fits.

: 2398

01:08:38,506 --> 01:08:41,166

It is discombobulated, but it's crazy fun.

: 2399

01:08:41,166 --> 01:08:42,515

It's, I don't know how to explain it.

: 2400

01:08:42,935 --> 01:08:45,395

I'm glad I got to see this, and I

really wanna recommend to everyone.

: 2401

01:08:45,395 --> 01:08:46,656

And I rented this on YouTube.

: 2402

01:08:46,656 --> 01:08:47,406

How did you watch it?

: 2403

01:08:47,506 --> 01:08:48,345

Katie: I got it from my

: 2404

01:08:48,345 --> 01:08:48,975

library.

: 2405

01:08:48,975 --> 01:08:50,416

Mm-hmm.

: 2406

01:08:50,806 --> 01:08:51,286

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 2407

01:08:51,466 --> 01:08:51,916

All right.

: 2408

01:08:52,576 --> 01:08:55,006

I, and I wish the YouTube

didn't, it didn't have captions.

: 2409

01:08:55,006 --> 01:08:57,666

That's the only, it bugged me, so some

of the accents were a little bit tough.

: 2410

01:08:57,696 --> 01:09:00,576

So I had, I, I do appreciate

subtitles for those types of things,

: 2411

01:09:00,576 --> 01:09:02,265

but did you watch those subtitles?

: 2412

01:09:02,536 --> 01:09:03,136

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2413

01:09:03,556 --> 01:09:03,916

Ryan Rebalkin: darn it.

: 2414

01:09:03,916 --> 01:09:04,126

Okay.

: 2415

01:09:04,126 --> 01:09:04,850

Yeah, it's, I know.

: 2416

01:09:04,871 --> 01:09:09,435

So I rented it from YouTube and I went to

this closed caption and it was grayed out.

: 2417

01:09:09,435 --> 01:09:10,515

I'm like, oh, you gotta be kidding me.

: 2418

01:09:10,576 --> 01:09:10,996

But anyways,

: 2419

01:09:11,176 --> 01:09:11,416

Katie: that.

: 2420

01:09:11,416 --> 01:09:11,716

'cause I,

: 2421

01:09:11,926 --> 01:09:12,316

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah,

: 2422

01:09:12,556 --> 01:09:12,946

Katie: Same.

: 2423

01:09:13,426 --> 01:09:17,746

But yeah, I think another rewatch, 'cause

once I realized I was just supposed to go

: 2424

01:09:17,746 --> 01:09:18,376

with it and

: 2425

01:09:18,426 --> 01:09:18,996

Ryan Rebalkin: Right,

: 2426

01:09:19,941 --> 01:09:20,781

Katie: and listen for the

: 2427

01:09:20,781 --> 01:09:21,951

humor and just some of

: 2428

01:09:21,996 --> 01:09:22,356

Ryan Rebalkin: right.

: 2429

01:09:22,701 --> 01:09:25,551

Katie: and again, I think

it's, when I say funny or

: 2430

01:09:25,551 --> 01:09:26,241

humor, it's

: 2431

01:09:26,676 --> 01:09:27,156

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure.

: 2432

01:09:27,711 --> 01:09:27,981

Katie: of it

: 2433

01:09:28,086 --> 01:09:29,796

Ryan Rebalkin: Absurd is a

good, that's a better word.

: 2434

01:09:29,826 --> 01:09:30,546

It's absurd.

: 2435

01:09:30,741 --> 01:09:31,431

Katie: absurd.

: 2436

01:09:31,481 --> 01:09:34,140

You know, heads rolling out of barrels and

: 2437

01:09:34,306 --> 01:09:34,756

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2438

01:09:34,861 --> 01:09:35,041

Katie: know,

: 2439

01:09:35,086 --> 01:09:38,086

Ryan Rebalkin: There's, that's

where I forgot about the, yes.

: 2440

01:09:38,086 --> 01:09:39,556

We have a basket full of heads.

: 2441

01:09:40,406 --> 01:09:42,631

Katie: and that's not enough for this king

: 2442

01:09:42,631 --> 01:09:42,781

PPE

: 2443

01:09:43,756 --> 01:09:44,356

Ryan Rebalkin: That's right.

: 2444

01:09:44,581 --> 01:09:44,821

Katie: was.

: 2445

01:09:44,821 --> 01:09:46,261

That's, I want more.

: 2446

01:09:46,261 --> 01:09:46,801

I want more.

: 2447

01:09:46,801 --> 01:09:48,961

And then they're like, all right,

well, we're gonna sacrifice this

: 2448

01:09:48,961 --> 01:09:49,560

woman.

: 2449

01:09:49,996 --> 01:09:50,566

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 2450

01:09:50,761 --> 01:09:54,060

Katie: say the, the entrance

into that island when they go

: 2451

01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:57,871

to the PPE place was really

: 2452

01:09:57,871 --> 01:09:58,501

cool.

: 2453

01:09:58,501 --> 01:09:59,071

The way

: 2454

01:09:59,116 --> 01:09:59,476

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2455

01:09:59,521 --> 01:10:02,191

Katie: a boat garage and then this.

: 2456

01:10:02,986 --> 01:10:04,996

I don't even know how you describe the

: 2457

01:10:05,476 --> 01:10:05,716

Ryan Rebalkin: All the

: 2458

01:10:05,716 --> 01:10:06,826

mechanics and stuff.

: 2459

01:10:06,856 --> 01:10:09,886

Yeah, well I was saying to myself,

this is where that millions went.

: 2460

01:10:09,886 --> 01:10:12,346

They really, they didn't,

yeah, it's not cheaply done,

: 2461

01:10:12,346 --> 01:10:13,696

like the ship that they're on.

: 2462

01:10:14,216 --> 01:10:15,836

Then they had that war ship at the end.

: 2463

01:10:15,836 --> 01:10:17,726

I was like, I don't know how they

built or where they got that thing

: 2464

01:10:17,726 --> 01:10:19,316

from the war ship that they built.

: 2465

01:10:19,976 --> 01:10:21,776

I think it was just a fake

warship because it was kind of

: 2466

01:10:21,776 --> 01:10:23,936

small, you know, wasn't very big.

: 2467

01:10:24,366 --> 01:10:27,576

But it's like they really, they

didn't cheap out on the movie.

: 2468

01:10:27,636 --> 01:10:31,506

And it's disappointing that it failed

because I think it deserves a bigger, I

: 2469

01:10:31,506 --> 01:10:34,476

think it deserves a bigger audience and

we can blame Paramount for bury this film.

: 2470

01:10:34,506 --> 01:10:36,456

Like at the end of the

day, this film was buried.

: 2471

01:10:36,456 --> 01:10:40,596

It could have been easily a, I don't

think it would've blown up at the

: 2472

01:10:40,596 --> 01:10:43,296

box office, but I don't, I think they

could have made their money back.

: 2473

01:10:44,226 --> 01:10:45,006

Katie: for sure.

: 2474

01:10:45,426 --> 01:10:46,501

It was also really beautiful.

: 2475

01:10:47,076 --> 01:10:47,526

I mean,

: 2476

01:10:47,586 --> 01:10:47,826

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2477

01:10:47,826 --> 01:10:49,296

The islands Fiji

: 2478

01:10:49,476 --> 01:10:49,626

Katie: and

: 2479

01:10:49,866 --> 01:10:50,316

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2480

01:10:50,646 --> 01:10:51,606

Have you been there before?

: 2481

01:10:51,756 --> 01:10:52,446

Katie: not have

: 2482

01:10:52,686 --> 01:10:53,376

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, yeah.

: 2483

01:10:53,376 --> 01:10:53,676

Yeah.

: 2484

01:10:53,676 --> 01:10:53,766

It's.

: 2485

01:10:53,976 --> 01:10:54,606

Katie: both New

: 2486

01:10:54,606 --> 01:10:55,506

Zealand and Fiji.

: 2487

01:10:55,731 --> 01:10:56,181

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

: 2488

01:10:56,316 --> 01:10:56,646

Katie: Wow.

: 2489

01:10:56,751 --> 01:10:57,801

Ryan Rebalkin: sailing, yeah.

: 2490

01:10:58,101 --> 01:10:59,901

When you sail, you get

to go to these places.

: 2491

01:10:59,901 --> 01:11:00,111

Yeah.

: 2492

01:11:00,441 --> 01:11:00,921

In the Navy.

: 2493

01:11:00,921 --> 01:11:01,101

Yeah,

: 2494

01:11:01,131 --> 01:11:02,271

Katie: sail on a ship

: 2495

01:11:02,271 --> 01:11:03,321

like they had?

: 2496

01:11:03,561 --> 01:11:04,431

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, yeah.

: 2497

01:11:04,431 --> 01:11:07,341

That little battleship almost, almost,

: 2498

01:11:07,471 --> 01:11:10,121

Katie: Another funny thing is there's

all this carnage on the island.

: 2499

01:11:10,301 --> 01:11:13,901

Nate then goes out on this rickety

raft just out in the ocean.

: 2500

01:11:13,901 --> 01:11:15,131

I was like, where did he think he was

: 2501

01:11:15,131 --> 01:11:16,121

going to

: 2502

01:11:16,336 --> 01:11:16,686

Ryan Rebalkin: right?

: 2503

01:11:16,721 --> 01:11:17,501

Katie: save Sophie

: 2504

01:11:17,501 --> 01:11:18,341

on this rickety

: 2505

01:11:18,581 --> 01:11:19,631

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, yeah, I know.

: 2506

01:11:19,751 --> 01:11:21,491

Katie: he gets, he hits like a tiny little

: 2507

01:11:21,491 --> 01:11:21,971

rock

: 2508

01:11:22,511 --> 01:11:22,781

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2509

01:11:22,781 --> 01:11:27,791

He said in the middle of some low is low

enough tide, either that was a very high

: 2510

01:11:27,791 --> 01:11:32,411

sea mount or very, very low tie where he

should have just walked back to the land.

: 2511

01:11:32,411 --> 01:11:35,231

But I, the idea is he's on this,

it's called the sea mount, but

: 2512

01:11:35,231 --> 01:11:36,131

it's poking outta the water.

: 2513

01:11:36,161 --> 01:11:38,651

'cause the tide was low enough that

he was able to wave to the, anyways.

: 2514

01:11:38,651 --> 01:11:39,011

Yeah.

: 2515

01:11:39,251 --> 01:11:39,551

Katie: well,

: 2516

01:11:39,911 --> 01:11:41,081

Ryan Rebalkin: I try

not to make sense of it.

: 2517

01:11:41,081 --> 01:11:41,951

It just is what it is.

: 2518

01:11:42,176 --> 01:11:42,466

Yeah.

: 2519

01:11:42,611 --> 01:11:45,191

Katie: so, but his, his raft sinks and no.

: 2520

01:11:45,371 --> 01:11:46,991

Now he's stuck on this rock.

: 2521

01:11:46,991 --> 01:11:47,591

Like I,

: 2522

01:11:47,591 --> 01:11:48,491

there was no land

: 2523

01:11:48,701 --> 01:11:49,601

Ryan Rebalkin: It's called the sea mount.

: 2524

01:11:49,601 --> 01:11:50,681

It's called the sea mount by the way.

: 2525

01:11:51,191 --> 01:11:51,731

Katie: Okay.

: 2526

01:11:52,001 --> 01:11:52,601

Thank you

: 2527

01:11:52,916 --> 01:11:54,806

Ryan Rebalkin: Hey, if you're gonna

correct me on my foot loose timeline,

: 2528

01:11:54,806 --> 01:11:56,186

I'm gonna correct you on this.

: 2529

01:11:56,426 --> 01:11:58,676

Katie: on the sea mount, but it's in the

: 2530

01:11:58,676 --> 01:11:59,786

middle of the ocean, like there's

: 2531

01:11:59,846 --> 01:12:00,326

Ryan Rebalkin: That's right.

: 2532

01:12:00,416 --> 01:12:00,896

Katie: near.

: 2533

01:12:01,076 --> 01:12:02,456

And then he sees the, the

: 2534

01:12:02,456 --> 01:12:02,756

ship.

: 2535

01:12:02,756 --> 01:12:03,206

So he's like,

: 2536

01:12:03,476 --> 01:12:03,686

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2537

01:12:03,766 --> 01:12:04,576

Katie: Can save me.

: 2538

01:12:04,576 --> 01:12:08,056

And one of bullies, I think it

was even ratbag, he's like, their

: 2539

01:12:08,056 --> 01:12:09,646

vantage point, it looks like he's

: 2540

01:12:09,646 --> 01:12:10,666

walking on water.

: 2541

01:12:10,726 --> 01:12:11,206

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

: 2542

01:12:11,236 --> 01:12:11,596

Yeah,

: 2543

01:12:11,716 --> 01:12:12,736

Katie: Jesus, he is walking on

: 2544

01:12:13,006 --> 01:12:14,896

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 2545

01:12:14,896 --> 01:12:15,796

That's those are funny.

: 2546

01:12:15,796 --> 01:12:18,496

Mo Granted, those are the funny moments.

: 2547

01:12:18,856 --> 01:12:20,266

Look, the movie is funny.

: 2548

01:12:21,421 --> 01:12:24,196

I, I get, I get those moments were funny.

: 2549

01:12:24,496 --> 01:12:29,236

The, the parts that just threw me off

was when they were, every time they

: 2550

01:12:29,236 --> 01:12:32,296

were in a battle, it was always a,

a smirk and a kind of shrug of the

: 2551

01:12:32,296 --> 01:12:34,636

shoulders as they, as they killed.

: 2552

01:12:34,636 --> 01:12:36,216

There was this weird it's okay to kill.

: 2553

01:12:36,216 --> 01:12:38,016

You're in a battle, you're gonna

fight, you're gonna kill people.

: 2554

01:12:38,016 --> 01:12:40,386

But it was always kinda ah,

I just chopped his head off.

: 2555

01:12:40,386 --> 01:12:43,566

Ah, I just, you know, it was

always like they stumbled upon

: 2556

01:12:43,566 --> 01:12:44,826

the action, if that makes sense.

: 2557

01:12:44,886 --> 01:12:46,446

And they're just like, yay.

: 2558

01:12:46,446 --> 01:12:46,806

Katie: Yeah.

: 2559

01:12:46,836 --> 01:12:46,986

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2560

01:12:47,286 --> 01:12:47,796

Katie: Yeah.

: 2561

01:12:47,976 --> 01:12:51,516

Yeah, a lot of these movies

kind of a similar vein.

: 2562

01:12:52,446 --> 01:12:55,806

What did you think about

the love triangle in that?

: 2563

01:12:55,806 --> 01:13:01,626

Immediately we see Sophie betray her

fiance and she's like super into bully.

: 2564

01:13:01,626 --> 01:13:02,976

Like right away.

: 2565

01:13:03,741 --> 01:13:06,201

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah, she's hot

for Boley and he's, I don't know,

: 2566

01:13:06,201 --> 01:13:09,171

he, I guess he, I guess the way he

looked at it was like, he's gonna be

: 2567

01:13:09,171 --> 01:13:12,291

leaving on the ship and I'm moving the

island and I'll let her have this fun.

: 2568

01:13:12,291 --> 01:13:16,011

And I guess to his credit, he was

not the jealous, jealous type.

: 2569

01:13:16,011 --> 01:13:19,221

He kind of let her fiance,

let his fiance flirt, I guess.

: 2570

01:13:19,401 --> 01:13:23,136

Katie: He, he was very clearly jealous.

: 2571

01:13:23,186 --> 01:13:23,576

But

: 2572

01:13:23,861 --> 01:13:24,251

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, sure.

: 2573

01:13:24,251 --> 01:13:25,151

I would be too.

: 2574

01:13:25,331 --> 01:13:26,321

That's my fiance

: 2575

01:13:26,336 --> 01:13:26,606

Katie: but

: 2576

01:13:26,921 --> 01:13:27,371

Ryan Rebalkin: buddy.

: 2577

01:13:27,716 --> 01:13:30,626

Katie: writes, bully a letter that Nate

: 2578

01:13:30,626 --> 01:13:31,466

finds

: 2579

01:13:31,696 --> 01:13:32,116

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 2580

01:13:32,276 --> 01:13:34,886

Katie: he, he actually gives bully the

: 2581

01:13:34,886 --> 01:13:35,396

letter.

: 2582

01:13:36,236 --> 01:13:36,656

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 2583

01:13:37,061 --> 01:13:37,481

Katie: Then

: 2584

01:13:37,631 --> 01:13:37,991

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2585

01:13:38,021 --> 01:13:40,031

Katie: have a conversation

about who gets her.

: 2586

01:13:40,851 --> 01:13:43,461

They both want her and now they're

like, no, no, you can have her.

: 2587

01:13:43,461 --> 01:13:43,911

No, no.

: 2588

01:13:43,911 --> 01:13:44,751

You can have her.

: 2589

01:13:45,021 --> 01:13:45,471

Hey,

: 2590

01:13:45,756 --> 01:13:45,966

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2591

01:13:46,101 --> 01:13:46,701

Katie: let her

: 2592

01:13:46,701 --> 01:13:47,721

decide.

: 2593

01:13:47,946 --> 01:13:49,356

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, and that was

actually, that's what I was say.

: 2594

01:13:49,686 --> 01:13:51,951

To their credit, they, they

acknowledged that, well, at the end

: 2595

01:13:51,951 --> 01:13:53,076

of the day, it'll be her decision.

: 2596

01:13:53,226 --> 01:13:53,346

Yeah.

: 2597

01:13:54,077 --> 01:13:56,283

And I do like that she ended up with Nate.

: 2598

01:13:56,283 --> 01:13:59,702

I think that was nice that she got

her, she got to have her little

: 2599

01:13:59,702 --> 01:14:02,103

fun fantasy like with bully.

: 2600

01:14:02,103 --> 01:14:05,013

You know, but at the end of the day,

she chose the more stable relationship,

: 2601

01:14:05,013 --> 01:14:06,183

which I actually appreciated.

: 2602

01:14:07,248 --> 01:14:08,058

Katie: I wasn't sure.

: 2603

01:14:08,108 --> 01:14:12,878

I kind of had a feeling, but what was

cool is that obviously like via these

: 2604

01:14:12,878 --> 01:14:13,868

adventures, they all

: 2605

01:14:14,153 --> 01:14:14,543

Ryan Rebalkin: Right?

: 2606

01:14:15,023 --> 01:14:15,533

Yes.

: 2607

01:14:15,533 --> 01:14:15,863

Right.

: 2608

01:14:15,908 --> 01:14:17,318

Katie: bully is about to be hanged,

: 2609

01:14:18,038 --> 01:14:18,668

we see the

: 2610

01:14:19,013 --> 01:14:19,973

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, yes.

: 2611

01:14:19,973 --> 01:14:20,393

Right.

: 2612

01:14:21,068 --> 01:14:24,638

Katie: and Sophie's now part

of the action and they save

: 2613

01:14:24,638 --> 01:14:24,938

him.

: 2614

01:14:24,968 --> 01:14:25,327

There's just

: 2615

01:14:25,433 --> 01:14:26,423

Ryan Rebalkin: A spoiler by the way.

: 2616

01:14:26,423 --> 01:14:27,023

Spoiler.

: 2617

01:14:27,053 --> 01:14:27,323

Yeah.

: 2618

01:14:27,443 --> 01:14:27,833

Oh, well,

: 2619

01:14:27,878 --> 01:14:28,327

Katie: get hung.

: 2620

01:14:28,913 --> 01:14:31,583

Ryan Rebalkin: you know what's

funny is I watched the Cisco

: 2621

01:14:31,583 --> 01:14:33,053

neighbor review of this on YouTube.

: 2622

01:14:34,073 --> 01:14:35,963

They showed that scene

: 2623

01:14:38,123 --> 01:14:41,303

for their movie clip on,

that's the ending of the movie.

: 2624

01:14:41,513 --> 01:14:42,803

They spoiled the movie.

: 2625

01:14:43,568 --> 01:14:44,648

Katie: Interesting.

: 2626

01:14:44,753 --> 01:14:45,263

Ryan Rebalkin: I know.

: 2627

01:14:45,263 --> 01:14:47,393

That's a big, I didn't know

that Reveal was coming, did you?

: 2628

01:14:47,468 --> 01:14:47,768

Katie: No.

: 2629

01:14:48,443 --> 01:14:48,683

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2630

01:14:48,683 --> 01:14:51,623

That's a fun reveal that the

reverend, the spoiler, spoiler.

: 2631

01:14:51,623 --> 01:14:52,553

Spoiler folks.

: 2632

01:14:52,553 --> 01:14:55,013

But I'm just saying 'cause

it was a fun spoiler.

: 2633

01:14:55,013 --> 01:14:57,903

So I'm just saying this that

yeah, when the reverend who's

: 2634

01:14:57,903 --> 01:15:00,843

gonna hang bully is now Nate.

: 2635

01:15:01,293 --> 01:15:03,633

And that's how, 'cause I was wondering

how is he gonna get out of that?

: 2636

01:15:03,633 --> 01:15:05,108

I was legit I don't know how

he's gonna get outta this.

: 2637

01:15:05,108 --> 01:15:06,093

So I thought it was clever.

: 2638

01:15:06,423 --> 01:15:10,443

And of course Nate and Sophie are like,

they're religious missionaries, but

: 2639

01:15:10,443 --> 01:15:12,213

they're kind of like that swashbuckling.

: 2640

01:15:12,693 --> 01:15:14,793

They're the gunfighters gun slingers.

: 2641

01:15:14,793 --> 01:15:15,543

I thought that was great.

: 2642

01:15:15,543 --> 01:15:17,793

You could almost have a sequel

of these three, you know, and

: 2643

01:15:18,063 --> 01:15:19,473

Yeah, this could have, yeah,

: 2644

01:15:19,518 --> 01:15:21,048

Katie: been Indiana Jones, you

: 2645

01:15:21,063 --> 01:15:21,873

Ryan Rebalkin: could have been another.

: 2646

01:15:21,918 --> 01:15:22,218

Katie: like a

: 2647

01:15:22,383 --> 01:15:22,653

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2648

01:15:23,403 --> 01:15:25,023

Well, well, ES did Stone got a sequel.

: 2649

01:15:25,308 --> 01:15:25,728

Katie: Yeah.

: 2650

01:15:26,223 --> 01:15:27,993

Ryan Rebalkin: So, yeah,

it's, it's too bad.

: 2651

01:15:27,993 --> 01:15:31,163

This kind of got, yeah, it's

too bad it got side sidelined.

: 2652

01:15:31,493 --> 01:15:32,093

Katie: Agreed.

: 2653

01:15:32,093 --> 01:15:32,423

Yeah.

: 2654

01:15:32,423 --> 01:15:33,143

I mean, it was

: 2655

01:15:33,143 --> 01:15:33,713

fun.

: 2656

01:15:34,313 --> 01:15:34,673

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 2657

01:15:35,033 --> 01:15:35,034

Oh,

: 2658

01:15:35,183 --> 01:15:35,933

Katie: was a fun, movie.

: 2659

01:15:35,933 --> 01:15:37,673

I also would recommend it.

: 2660

01:15:38,123 --> 01:15:40,523

They did soften the character.

: 2661

01:15:40,523 --> 01:15:40,853

So

: 2662

01:15:40,853 --> 01:15:41,243

in real

: 2663

01:15:41,873 --> 01:15:42,263

Ryan Rebalkin: of course.

: 2664

01:15:42,263 --> 01:15:42,593

Yeah, yeah,

: 2665

01:15:43,073 --> 01:15:43,313

yeah.

: 2666

01:15:43,313 --> 01:15:43,643

Sure.

: 2667

01:15:43,702 --> 01:15:48,683

Katie: was a, in: 1970

about him called Captain Billy Hayes,

: 2668

01:15:48,683 --> 01:15:53,723

black Birder and Bigamist Frank Clune

stated that the real William Henry

: 2669

01:15:53,723 --> 01:15:59,433

Hayes was often described as a rogue

cheat swindler, barrer, Buccaneer

: 2670

01:15:59,463 --> 01:16:03,813

biker bigamist, free booter polygamist,

seducer murderer, pirate slave trader

: 2671

01:16:03,813 --> 01:16:09,633

robber rapist, hooligan and bully,

but was never convicted in any civil

: 2672

01:16:09,633 --> 01:16:11,763

court of law for any serious criminal

: 2673

01:16:11,763 --> 01:16:12,153

offense.

: 2674

01:16:12,813 --> 01:16:13,713

Ryan Rebalkin: well, so he is fine.

: 2675

01:16:13,833 --> 01:16:14,583

Katie: yeah, yeah,

: 2676

01:16:14,643 --> 01:16:16,713

Ryan Rebalkin: He's the p,

he's the P diddy of his time.

: 2677

01:16:16,713 --> 01:16:17,163

He's fine.

: 2678

01:16:17,163 --> 01:16:18,933

He's innocent or not, not guilty.

: 2679

01:16:19,143 --> 01:16:22,563

Katie: were partners In real

life, the enemies in the movie,

: 2680

01:16:22,623 --> 01:16:24,003

Pease, Ben Pease

: 2681

01:16:24,213 --> 01:16:24,813

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2682

01:16:24,873 --> 01:16:25,473

Katie: Bully.

: 2683

01:16:25,843 --> 01:16:28,903

But in real life, those two

characters were, they were

: 2684

01:16:28,903 --> 01:16:30,343

both like the shitty Ben Pease

: 2685

01:16:30,343 --> 01:16:31,243

character in real

: 2686

01:16:31,243 --> 01:16:31,483

life.

: 2687

01:16:31,513 --> 01:16:31,993

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 2688

01:16:32,383 --> 01:16:32,743

Yeah,

: 2689

01:16:32,863 --> 01:16:33,313

Katie: softened

: 2690

01:16:33,313 --> 01:16:34,663

it for this

: 2691

01:16:34,663 --> 01:16:35,053

movie.

: 2692

01:16:35,683 --> 01:16:36,133

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, yeah.

: 2693

01:16:36,133 --> 01:16:36,463

Yeah.

: 2694

01:16:36,493 --> 01:16:37,093

Fair enough.

: 2695

01:16:37,452 --> 01:16:37,633

Yeah.

: 2696

01:16:37,663 --> 01:16:40,683

So it's not, it is not a legit history.

: 2697

01:16:41,403 --> 01:16:42,123

Katie: correct.

: 2698

01:16:42,423 --> 01:16:42,753

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2699

01:16:42,993 --> 01:16:43,263

Katie: Yeah.

: 2700

01:16:43,263 --> 01:16:44,013

I, I don't know.

: 2701

01:16:44,013 --> 01:16:45,963

I, I liked seeing a young

: 2702

01:16:45,963 --> 01:16:47,073

Tommy Lee Jones.

: 2703

01:16:47,463 --> 01:16:51,243

And I love romancing the

Stone and it felt like kind of

: 2704

01:16:51,243 --> 01:16:52,202

similar to that.

: 2705

01:16:52,408 --> 01:16:52,827

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 2706

01:16:52,983 --> 01:16:54,043

Katie: perfect you

: 2707

01:16:54,048 --> 01:16:54,268

Ryan Rebalkin: No,

: 2708

01:16:54,523 --> 01:16:54,823

Katie: but

: 2709

01:16:54,823 --> 01:16:57,043

Ryan Rebalkin: it's not perfect,

but that's why I give a seven.

: 2710

01:16:57,553 --> 01:16:57,883

Katie: yeah.

: 2711

01:16:57,883 --> 01:16:58,333

That's a good,

: 2712

01:16:58,423 --> 01:16:58,873

Ryan Rebalkin: I get

: 2713

01:16:59,113 --> 01:17:00,253

Katie: what are your, what are your

: 2714

01:17:00,253 --> 01:17:01,213

closing thoughts

: 2715

01:17:01,603 --> 01:17:01,843

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 2716

01:17:01,843 --> 01:17:05,013

My closing thoughts are we've spoiled

a lot, but because there's so much

: 2717

01:17:05,013 --> 01:17:06,573

in it and it's such an adventure.

: 2718

01:17:07,143 --> 01:17:09,693

It's like us telling you that a

Thanksgiving dinner and all the

: 2719

01:17:09,693 --> 01:17:13,443

ingredients and how we enjoyed it and

what we got for dessert, I would still

: 2720

01:17:13,443 --> 01:17:15,123

recommend you come join the meal too.

: 2721

01:17:15,153 --> 01:17:17,163

So watch this movie.

: 2722

01:17:17,403 --> 01:17:18,633

It's a fun adventure.

: 2723

01:17:18,723 --> 01:17:21,063

And I'd be curious what, what

other people think of it.

: 2724

01:17:21,473 --> 01:17:23,243

I, I've never heard of this film before.

: 2725

01:17:23,243 --> 01:17:26,633

In fact, when you gave me like, oh,

just reminder, we're doing this in

: 2726

01:17:26,633 --> 01:17:28,133

a couple weeks, which I appreciated.

: 2727

01:17:28,493 --> 01:17:29,243

Thank you, by the way.

: 2728

01:17:29,933 --> 01:17:33,773

I was like, oh yeah, Nate, hey, I'm

doing that film and I, I, again, I

: 2729

01:17:33,773 --> 01:17:37,733

just put it on YouTube rentals and

I was like, oh, it looks like he's

: 2730

01:17:37,733 --> 01:17:38,993

wearing a pirate outfit or something.

: 2731

01:17:38,993 --> 01:17:42,353

So I'm like, okay, it's not a, you

know, it's not a gay love story

: 2732

01:17:42,713 --> 01:17:44,243

and, or it could have been, I guess.

: 2733

01:17:44,693 --> 01:17:47,782

But the point is I honestly thought it was

gonna be like a coming of age drummers.

: 2734

01:17:47,782 --> 01:17:48,713

I, I had no idea.

: 2735

01:17:48,803 --> 01:17:49,133

Yeah.

: 2736

01:17:49,163 --> 01:17:49,373

Katie: thought

: 2737

01:17:49,373 --> 01:17:49,853

too.

: 2738

01:17:50,558 --> 01:17:52,478

Ryan Rebalkin: But it's a, at

the end of the day, I don't like

: 2739

01:17:52,478 --> 01:17:54,407

rating things but it's a fun film.

: 2740

01:17:54,407 --> 01:17:55,458

It's not a perfect film.

: 2741

01:17:55,907 --> 01:17:59,208

It's a weird film, but that's

what makes it a fun film because

: 2742

01:17:59,208 --> 01:18:04,878

it's so not anything you would see

today, something that belongs in

: 2743

01:18:04,878 --> 01:18:05,748

the eighties, but in a good way.

: 2744

01:18:05,748 --> 01:18:07,848

It is an eighties film, which I love it.

: 2745

01:18:07,848 --> 01:18:09,378

So it fits in the eighties.

: 2746

01:18:10,623 --> 01:18:10,743

Katie: I

: 2747

01:18:10,743 --> 01:18:11,643

like that.

: 2748

01:18:11,838 --> 01:18:12,138

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2749

01:18:12,243 --> 01:18:12,483

Katie: it.

: 2750

01:18:12,648 --> 01:18:14,358

Ryan Rebalkin: It's a retro

film through and through.

: 2751

01:18:14,358 --> 01:18:19,548

'cause the dialogue, the, the, some of the

language, the tropes, it's old eighties.

: 2752

01:18:19,548 --> 01:18:21,768

There's so much that was done in this

film that would not be done today,

: 2753

01:18:21,827 --> 01:18:23,628

which I love, you know, which I love.

: 2754

01:18:23,928 --> 01:18:24,138

Yeah.

: 2755

01:18:24,452 --> 01:18:25,263

Katie: I mean, hey, that's

: 2756

01:18:25,263 --> 01:18:26,253

what we do here on Retro

: 2757

01:18:26,373 --> 01:18:26,793

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 2758

01:18:26,913 --> 01:18:28,233

Katie: we do stuff from the

eighties and the nineties.

: 2759

01:18:28,233 --> 01:18:29,223

So, you guys

: 2760

01:18:29,532 --> 01:18:29,952

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

: 2761

01:18:30,153 --> 01:18:32,313

Katie: Naden Hayes report back.

: 2762

01:18:32,793 --> 01:18:33,933

What, what did you think?

: 2763

01:18:34,383 --> 01:18:38,493

But for our discussion on retro

made, that is it for Nate Hayes.

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It's a Wild Ride, pirates

comedic, adventure, and

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unexpected Tommy Lee Jones Energy.

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And if this episode's scratched your

adventure itch, please follow the show,

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leave a review or send me a message.

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And until next time, be kind, rewind.