Episode 38
Grandview, U.S.A. + Three's Company | S1E38
We are heading back to August of 1984 for the dramedy Grandview, U.S.A., featuring a youthful Jamie Lee Curtis alongside the always delightful Patrick Swayze. This film captures the essence of small-town life in America, blending romance, comedy, and a bit of drama as it explores the intertwined lives of its quirky residents.
Plus, I talk about the finale season of a little iconic show: Three's Company - check it out!
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Hello.
Speaker:Hello.
Speaker:I'm Katie and welcome to Retro Made, your pop culture rewind.
Speaker:We're going to head back to August of 1984 for the dramedy, Grandview USA.
Speaker:Featuring a youthful Jamie Lee Curtis alongside the always delightful Patrick
Speaker:Swayze, this film, I would say, captures the essence of small town life in America.
Speaker:It blends romance, comedy, and a bit of drama.
Speaker:It explores the intertwined lives of very quirky residents.
Speaker:It did not make a splash at the box office, but.
Speaker:It's still a nostalgic look at youthful dreams and aspirations
Speaker:in a small town, which is perfect for our pop culture rewind today.
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Speaker:Okay, so we're going to open the time capsule from August 1984.
Speaker:This movie came out August 3rd, which is a week earlier than another movie
Speaker:that we've already covered Red Dawn.
Speaker:Also with Patrick Swayze and Steve Thomas Howell, which we'll
Speaker:get to so literally a week apart.
Speaker:We've already covered what was happening in terms of, billboard
Speaker:hits from a musical perspective, news and events from this time and TV
Speaker:both some premieres, finales and what was topping those Nielsen ratings.
Speaker:However.
Speaker:I would like to call attention to a particular notable finale from
Speaker:this season 1984 3's company.
Speaker:This was its final season.
Speaker:And so I think that 3's company deserves a little love.
Speaker:So I'm going to expand on it right now and I hope you'll, you'll
Speaker:join me on this little ride.
Speaker:Interestingly, 3's company, I I'm very familiar with it.
Speaker:so much.
Speaker:But it was really before my time, but we'll get into maybe why, why
Speaker:I remember it so well, but I'm sure you've all seen it a bazillion times.
Speaker:It's iconic for a number of reasons, but 3's company, classic sitcom.
Speaker:I love sitcoms, so maybe that's where part of my love for it comes from.
Speaker:It centers on 3 roommates, Jack Tripper, Janet Wood and Chrissy
Speaker:Snow, aka Christmas Snow.
Speaker:Yes, that's her.
Speaker:Real full name.
Speaker:They share an apartment in Santa Monica, California.
Speaker:Jack is a culinary student and he this is just wild.
Speaker:The 70s because it started in the 70s because it's similar to bosom buddies
Speaker:in this way, Jack has to pretend to be gay to appease the prudish landlord.
Speaker:Mr.
Speaker:Roper.
Speaker:Because he disapproves of mixed gender living arrangements, like they're
Speaker:all adults who's just, it's just wild that they had to do that anyway.
Speaker:And this is even in California, but the shows humor does revolve around
Speaker:misunderstandings which reminds me of that friends episode where they're
Speaker:watching an episode of 3's company and Phoebe's like, Oh, is this one
Speaker:where there's a misunderstanding?
Speaker:Chandler's like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:And she's like, Oh, I've already seen this one.
Speaker:And he just looks at her funny.
Speaker:Cause they're all around that anyway.
Speaker:It's very slapstick comedy, which was, a sign of its time and quite
Speaker:a few pretty risque innuendos, particularly of the time and cast
Speaker:members did change over the years.
Speaker:Including the landlords, including the blonde roommate, but the core of
Speaker:the show, the dynamic of mischief, friendship, and farcical situations
Speaker:did remain throughout the whole series, making it a beloved TV staple.
Speaker:I don't know if you guys knew that Jack originally lived at the Y.
Speaker:M.
Speaker:C.
Speaker:A.
Speaker:before moving in with Janet and Christy.
Speaker:Norman fell we'll get into the cast who they are, but he played Mr Roper
Speaker:and the early seasons he would say something like, after he made a joke,
Speaker:he would kind of smile and look at the, the camera knowingly, like, we're
Speaker:all in on the joke at the expense of another character, usually his,
Speaker:his wife, Mrs Roper but so this was an example of breaking the 4th wall,
Speaker:which wasn't done a lot at this time.
Speaker:So I guess it was his idea to do that.
Speaker:And it's kind of the signature of the show.
Speaker:It was an ABC show ran from 1977 to 1984.
Speaker:That's eight seasons, 172 episodes, which I think is wild because eight seasons
Speaker:now would be max like 80 episodes.
Speaker:Nothing would go 8 seasons now, seemingly, but there's 10 episodes a
Speaker:season if we're lucky on shows now.
Speaker:So it was literally twice that or more back in the day.
Speaker:It is a 7.
Speaker:5 on IMDb, which is pretty good.
Speaker:It was a major hit when it first aired on ABC, it consistently ranked in the
Speaker:top 10 of those Nielsen ratings, which I bring up every, every retro made episode.
Speaker:I would say.
Speaker:Not all seasons, though particularly, you know, it took a minute to get its
Speaker:footing and then at its peak, it was the 2nd most watched show in America.
Speaker:During its 3rd season, so that was so the season of 1978 to
Speaker:1979 most watched show in America.
Speaker:2nd, most watch.
Speaker:I'm sorry.
Speaker:Again, like that combination of provocative plot lines, the slapstick
Speaker:humor, very likable characters made it, pop culture phenomenon, and though
Speaker:it did kind of decline in ratings in later seasons, they kept switching
Speaker:up the cast and, but despite that, it did remain popular throughout
Speaker:its entire run and became cherished.
Speaker:In syndication, which is where I found it in syndication.
Speaker:So we'll talk about at the end where you can watch 3's company, but I
Speaker:just, I remember it fondly clearly.
Speaker:I wasn't around for its original run on ABC.
Speaker:But I, I remember watching it fondly.
Speaker:And only now, when I watch it, I'm like, oh, you know, it seemed odd.
Speaker:I'm like, why are they having to lie about?
Speaker:I don't know all the little things about, you know, Jack was
Speaker:such a horn dog and Larry and I never really understood why mr.
Speaker:Roper never wanted to have sex with his wife.
Speaker:It was, it was wild.
Speaker:And then we'll get to when Mr.
Speaker:Furley comes along.
Speaker:Don Knotts is wild.
Speaker:So anyway.
Speaker:3's company, I bet you everyone knows, even if they've never seen an
Speaker:episode, they know if somebody says, come on, knock on a door, they know.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So it's iconic and I love that.
Speaker:It's.
Speaker:I mean, how can you not smile when you hear the theme song?
Speaker:So.
Speaker:I bet you did not know who composed it though.
Speaker:Joe Raposo composed that and he composed several iconic songs throughout his
Speaker:career, particularly for children's TV.
Speaker:He wrote the beloved theme song for Sesame Street.
Speaker:Also C is for cookie and it's not easy being green, which was famously
Speaker:performed by Kermit the frog.
Speaker:So all the same composer three's company was created by like a team, a trio, Don
Speaker:nickel, Michael Ross, and Bernie West.
Speaker:They adapted the show from a British sitcom, man about the house.
Speaker:Did you guys know that it was originally British show?
Speaker:This trio was also known for their successful writing
Speaker:and production work on it.
Speaker:You know, a couple of little shows like All in the Family, which was a
Speaker:groundbreaking sitcom, which tackled social issues, as well as The Jeffersons,
Speaker:which was a spinoff of All in the Family.
Speaker:So there's this creation team, this writing team, they did set
Speaker:the tone for this at the time, this farcical style of comedy.
Speaker:If you think back to shows of its time, that kind of became you know, mistaken
Speaker:identities, misunderstandings became the hallmark of this show and it was a
Speaker:hit contributing to the development of the entire genre the late 70s and early
Speaker:80s had a lot of that farcical style.
Speaker:So we can kind of think Don nickel, Michael Ross and Bernie West for that.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I think it's funny looking at the ages because, okay, so the
Speaker:roommates were playing people.
Speaker:They're supposed to be in their early to mid 20s.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So, like, Jack's still in school.
Speaker:You know, they're, they're just getting out on their own, but
Speaker:they were all at least 10 years quite a bit older than that.
Speaker:So, John Ritter plays Jack Tripper.
Speaker:He was 29.
Speaker:In 1977 when he started playing Jack Tripper.
Speaker:So yeah, a little older than an early 20s and he was only 54 when he died in 2003.
Speaker:I thought this was really interesting.
Speaker:I mean, he goes hand in hand with Jack Tripper.
Speaker:John Ritter does, but Billy Crystal was considered for the role.
Speaker:And I guess I can see that, but I'm glad I'm glad we had John Ritter.
Speaker:I like him as Jack.
Speaker:Then Joyce DeWitt plays Janet Wood.
Speaker:She was 28 at the time.
Speaker:Suzanne Summers plays Chrissy Christmas Snow, and she was 31, so she was
Speaker:the oldest of our original cast.
Speaker:And they're all again, supposed to be playing in their early to mid twenties.
Speaker:Now she was in seasons 1 through 5.
Speaker:We'll get to some of the other blonde roommates in a second.
Speaker:And then Larry, Larry is sort of they're like so he's played by Richard Klein.
Speaker:And I didn't even know he had a last name in the show, but Larry's
Speaker:last name is Dallas, I guess.
Speaker:And Richard Klein was 33 at the time.
Speaker:And I think he was, I always assumed he was a little bit older than the others.
Speaker:Cause he like lived upstairs or, I don't know, he lived in the same
Speaker:complex, but, and he lived alone, you know, so he, you know, he was maybe a
Speaker:little, little further in his career or whatever he was, but he has this
Speaker:like used car salesman, like, you know, slick Rick style about him.
Speaker:I liked Larry, but man.
Speaker:If, you know, I thought he was so much older.
Speaker:Again, we talk about this all the time on these shows.
Speaker:People just looked older.
Speaker:I didn't, I don't think they looked like they were, I know they were older.
Speaker:They're all approximately 30 instead of 23, but.
Speaker:They don't look 23 at all.
Speaker:They look like they're 35 and then Larry looks like he's 45.
Speaker:But at any rate, that's wild.
Speaker:Norman fell.
Speaker:We talked about him already.
Speaker:He plays Stanley Roper.
Speaker:He was 53 at the time and he and Audra Lindley, who plays his
Speaker:wife, Helen Roper, who was 59.
Speaker:They, so the Ropers were in the first three seasons and then the storyline was.
Speaker:They got a spinoff show called the Ropers.
Speaker:I think it only lasted like like 1 or 2 seasons.
Speaker:But then Don Knotts comes in to be the new landlord.
Speaker:Because his brother Bart bought the complex and so now Ralph manages it.
Speaker:So, Ralph Furley, Mr.
Speaker:Furley, he is the landlord from seasons 4 through 8.
Speaker:The year was 1980 when he came in and he was 56 at the time again watching this
Speaker:when I see Norman, stanley Roper or Mr.
Speaker:Furley.
Speaker:I think they look like they're well into their 60s.
Speaker:But they're not they weren't.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Well, then we will get into why Suzanne Summers was replaced a little
Speaker:bit later, but there was a little bit of musical blonde roommates.
Speaker:In fact, I think Nick at night even did a cute little 3 blonde roommates.
Speaker:Roommates or something like that instead of three blind mice.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So cute, but I bet you guys forgot about the one in the middle.
Speaker:So everybody remembers Chrissy.
Speaker:Most people probably remember Terry who finished the show,
Speaker:but there was one in between.
Speaker:And her name is Cindy Snow and she is supposed to be in TV land.
Speaker:She's Chrissy's cousin and she's played by Jenna Lee Harrison.
Speaker:I think she is supposed to be a college student.
Speaker:In the show, because she is younger and in real life.
Speaker:So she comes in in 1981 and she was only 23.
Speaker:At the time but even then, yeah she looked like she was 28.
Speaker:It's, it's just wild.
Speaker:So, yeah, so she Jenny Lee Harrison played Cindy snow.
Speaker:And so she kind of carried on a little bit of that dumb blonde
Speaker:bimbo, sort of like, silly.
Speaker:Ha ha.
Speaker:Look at me.
Speaker:I'm just fine.
Speaker:Similar to Chrissy but so Jenny Lee Harrison was a former L.
Speaker:A.
Speaker:Rams cheerleader and she was well liked by her coworkers but her inexperience
Speaker:and a big drop in ratings, I guess, led them to search for yet another person
Speaker:to fill the 3rd roommate position and another famous blonde was Considered
Speaker:or a finalist supposedly for this role.
Speaker:Anyone, anyone Heather Locklear, I guess was considered for Cindy, but.
Speaker:We ultimately end up with the role, Terry Alden.
Speaker:She's a nurse.
Speaker:That's the, the final blonde roommate.
Speaker:She comes in for seasons 6 through 8 and so she's 29 and 1982.
Speaker:And she's played by Priscilla Barnes.
Speaker:Terry is played by Priscilla Barnes.
Speaker:And this is, I don't like seeing this, but she said that her years on this show were
Speaker:the unhappiest in her professional career.
Speaker:Yikes.
Speaker:She said she almost quit as soon as she was cast because she did
Speaker:not like the backstage atmosphere.
Speaker:So we'll get into that a little bit more in a second, but yikes.
Speaker:She's a constant professional though, because I loved her.
Speaker:I.
Speaker:Spoiler alert, she's my favorite blonde, blonde roommate.
Speaker:I loved Terry.
Speaker:Or maybe it's just those are the ones I'm more familiar with.
Speaker:The later years.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Anybody?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Who's your favorite blonde roommate?
Speaker:Then we have one more kind of regular.
Speaker:She was originally not a regular, but then towards the end she did
Speaker:become a season regular in season 4.
Speaker:The character of Lana.
Speaker:She was supposed to be a little bit older.
Speaker:I think she also lived in the complex and she was always, she had the hots
Speaker:for Jack and was always, always kind of trying to get her claws in Jack.
Speaker:And for whatever reason, I don't know if he wasn't interested.
Speaker:I don't know why.
Speaker:Cause she was very pretty anyway.
Speaker:She's played by Anne Wedgeworth.
Speaker:And so she comes in and season four, 1980, she was 46 at the time, which
Speaker:is interesting because she probably actually looks a Like a 46 year old.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:She, she's probably the only one that looks her age, but like a
Speaker:pretty, like a good, like a good 46.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I've kind of alluded to, so why was Chrissy Snow, Suzanne Somers,
Speaker:Replaced well, there's a famous feud.
Speaker:I'm sure you guys have heard about it.
Speaker:I'm sure you've heard tons of different stories.
Speaker:I think there was like a behind the scenes movie or a mini series about it as well.
Speaker:But, I mean, I could literally go on for an hour about this, but I won't I will
Speaker:just quickly try and summarize that.
Speaker:So there's a big juicy feud behind the scenes drama that sparked, it
Speaker:was sparked by apparently Suzanne Somers demand for equal pay, God
Speaker:forbid, with John Ritter in 1980.
Speaker:So she becomes the breakout star of the show, but she was being paid much less.
Speaker:So she wanted her salary bumped up to match Ritter's 150, 000 per episode.
Speaker:Producers refused that, offering her just a token raise instead.
Speaker:In retaliation, she began skipping tapings, showing up late Chrissy was
Speaker:then sidelined into a brief there was, like, maybe a season where she
Speaker:was, like, Either on the phone or just remote scenes or written off those
Speaker:episodes entirely for a little while.
Speaker:And so tensions with co stars, especially, I guess, Joyce DeWitt, you know, playing
Speaker:Janet ran really high and her, so Summer's Exit left a really bitter legacy.
Speaker:However, she and DeWitt did reconcile decades.
Speaker:Not years later, decades later, and I guess the feud wasn't just about money.
Speaker:It did expose cracks in the relationships between the cast and crew.
Speaker:Her summer's bold pay demands were seen as a betrayal, particularly by Joyce
Speaker:DeWitt and John Ritter, who kept their distance from her after this fallout.
Speaker:And producers felt like she was becoming too demanding and that her husband.
Speaker:Alan Hemel, who managed her career was, he was accused of fueling this conflict, like
Speaker:kind of pushing her to ask for more and be more demanding and leaved afterwards.
Speaker:And so she was ultimately fired and new characters.
Speaker:Rotated into her place and, you know, there's, you know, this
Speaker:clash, what's, what's really true.
Speaker:What's not true.
Speaker:Lots and lots of stuff.
Speaker:Suzanne Summers has referred to the day that she got fired from 3's
Speaker:company as the day my career ended in interviews, but she did go on, you
Speaker:know, Thighmaster and what was the show?
Speaker:Step.
Speaker:Step by step, but but yeah, I mean, I think she probably would
Speaker:have had a bigger career had this not happened, but That's the juicy
Speaker:goss on the big 3's company feud.
Speaker:Not so happy campers behind behind the scenes, but the show is super
Speaker:popular and it got a ton of awards.
Speaker:So, let's see in terms of Emmys.
Speaker:John Ritter 1 outstanding lead actor in a comedy series in 1984,
Speaker:and he was also nominated for that same category in 81 and 78.
Speaker:the whole show was nominated in 78.
Speaker:And Jerry Davis was nominated for editing in 1978.
Speaker:Also Golden Globes, Ritter again, won best actor in 1984, nominated
Speaker:in 80 and 79 Norman fell Mr.
Speaker:Roper one for supporting in 79.
Speaker:The show was nominated in 79.
Speaker:Suzanne Summers was actually nominated for best actress in 1977.
Speaker:79 and Audra Lindley was nominated for best supporting in 79.
Speaker:Also people's choice got a favorite comedy in 81.
Speaker:And then I didn't know this could happen, but I guess there was a
Speaker:tie for people's choice award.
Speaker:I did not know what year, sorry about that, but with the love boat.
Speaker:I didn't know there were tie situations.
Speaker:That's interesting.
Speaker:And then I quite like the TV land awards because they're a little,
Speaker:they're fun little categories.
Speaker:So Don Knotts was nominated in, in both 2003 and five for favorite nosy neighbor.
Speaker:That was a category.
Speaker:Oh my God.
Speaker:The bar, you guys, the bar that they went to was called the regal beagle.
Speaker:And it was nominated in 2005 for most happen and hangout TV land award.
Speaker:Norman Fallon, Aja Lindley also In 2005, in 2004 for favorite.
Speaker:Cantankerous couple.
Speaker:That was the category.
Speaker:Richard Klein for hippest fashion in 2003 and Don Knotts for favorite fashion.
Speaker:His ascot in in 2005.
Speaker:Oh, TV land.
Speaker:That's fun.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So yeah, I did talk about the spinoffs.
Speaker:So the Ropers, why, where'd they go?
Speaker:I think they were upset because they probably would have rather stayed on
Speaker:3's company, but at first it seemed like a great idea to give them.
Speaker:Their own spinoff show, their dynamic was funny.
Speaker:But so they were promised by the ABC network that if their show didn't make
Speaker:it past its 1st season, their spots were secure for a return to 3's company.
Speaker:But because there's been off lasted a season and a half.
Speaker:ABC was not obliged to bring them back.
Speaker:Do you think they did that on purpose?
Speaker:So they were permanently replaced by Don knots.
Speaker:Boy, what a cutthroat business, eh?
Speaker:Then do you guys remember there was a spin off for Jack's
Speaker:character called Three's a Crowd?
Speaker:I've seen a few episodes, I didn't really get into it.
Speaker:But he Is engaged or married.
Speaker:Yeah, the final episode of the series didn't air until the beginning of
Speaker:the 84 85 season when it served as the lead in to it's been off.
Speaker:3 is a crowd.
Speaker:It, it was planned at the start of the final season.
Speaker:The producers tried to keep it a secret from the rest of the cast, but Joyce
Speaker:to it accidentally walked in on the auditions for the part of Vicky, the
Speaker:fiance or the girlfriend or wife of Jack and that caused tension on the
Speaker:set between Ritter and the rest of the cast who were disappointed that series
Speaker:would essentially continue without them.
Speaker:And how Ritter was keeping it from them.
Speaker:So, God, just lots of lots of perceived backstabbing which is, which is kind
Speaker:of sad because then if, you know, that I don't kind of puts a little
Speaker:stain on the show, but I just, I try and just watch it for what it is.
Speaker:Just light hearted.
Speaker:Fun.
Speaker:There's a couple of trivia bits that are interesting about 3's company.
Speaker:There were actually 3 different addresses given for the
Speaker:apartment throughout the seasons.
Speaker:Which is, I don't know why they wouldn't just keep that consistent,
Speaker:but none of them were real addresses.
Speaker:We talked about Chrissy's name being Christmas Snow.
Speaker:Well, her full name, and I don't remember where we find this out,
Speaker:but it's Christmas Noel Snow.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:In the show's opening, the beginning of the sixth season, there's a toddler.
Speaker:Oh, I love the open opening sequence.
Speaker:Like they're walking through different areas.
Speaker:They're on a sailboat.
Speaker:They're at the zoo.
Speaker:A she's feeding a goat.
Speaker:And that toddler is Jason Ritter, John's son.
Speaker:I didn't know that.
Speaker:That's fun.
Speaker:And then the brunette again, same in that opening sequence.
Speaker:There's a brunette walking by the beach and.
Speaker:Jack turns to look at her and falls off.
Speaker:He's riding a bike and he falls off.
Speaker:That person is Suzanne Summers in a wig.
Speaker:Joyce DeWitt refused to ever be shown bare legged.
Speaker:I don't know why.
Speaker:And always wore pantyhose when her legs were visible.
Speaker:And yes, I remember that she'd wear really shorty shorts, but she'd have pantyhose.
Speaker:I always thought that was weird.
Speaker:I just maybe thought that was like the style or I don't know what
Speaker:people did, but her commitment to hosiery earned her an endorsement
Speaker:deal with the legs brand pantyhose.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I did not know this.
Speaker:I thought that Mrs.
Speaker:Roper's hair was Mrs.
Speaker:Roper's hair.
Speaker:It's not.
Speaker:Audra Lindley wore a red curly wig to be Helen Roper.
Speaker:Her natural hair is blonde and straight.
Speaker:The exterior shots of the
Speaker:Roper's apartment was an actual corner apartment house in Santa Monica.
Speaker:In a Cafe Mom video segment hosted by Suzanne Summers, Joyce DeWitt
Speaker:said that John Ritter had affairs with a lot of his female co stars.
Speaker:Both DeWitt and Summers said they were unaware at the time.
Speaker:I mean, shocking.
Speaker:If you rewatch it now, a lot of the girlfriend characters, you'll
Speaker:be like, Oh, that's so and so.
Speaker:Oh, that's so and so.
Speaker:I remember one time it was, Maggie from Maggie Seaver from growing pains.
Speaker:I'm like, oh, my God.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:She was 1 of 1 1 of his dates in an episode.
Speaker:I remember.
Speaker:Yeah, there's a lot of those instances.
Speaker:I'm not saying that they had an affair.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I'm just saying I remembered her in the 1979 episode.
Speaker:The party, it's become iconic because when Chrissy danced with Mr.
Speaker:Roper, sans bra, bouncing around and jiggling, she became the symbol
Speaker:for what is known as jiggle TV, exemplified in shows like Three's
Speaker:Company, Soap, Charlie's Angels, Fantasy Island, and The Love Boat.
Speaker:I don't, I don't know if they still, that term, I don't think it's still
Speaker:used, but I guess it was a whole thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Kind of cheap, but whatever.
Speaker:Whatever.
Speaker:Big shocker, big shocker.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:3's company.
Speaker:I grew up with reruns.
Speaker:I think that the show feels like a warm hug.
Speaker:It's like this blend of humor, misunderstandings, quirky characters
Speaker:and navigating life together.
Speaker:And among the blondes, like I said, Terry stood out to me, her charm and wit added
Speaker:a fresh dynamic to the trio in my opinion.
Speaker:And we cannot forget about Mr.
Speaker:Furley.
Speaker:He's my favorite of the landlords.
Speaker:His eccentricities and comedic timing provided a delight, full contrast
Speaker:to the more traditional Roper making every episode feel like a new
Speaker:adventure in their small apartment.
Speaker:And the laughter, lighthearted escapades, underlying friendships
Speaker:remind me of the simple joys of life.
Speaker:Now, isn't that what it's all about?
Speaker:I think, again, the, the warm hug, the feeling like that, that apartment,
Speaker:like I, you know, It's just, it's a, yeah, the show not only entertained,
Speaker:it created extremely lasting memories, making it a classic in my heart.
Speaker:And if you have not revisited it in a while, I do highly recommend diving back
Speaker:into the antics of Jack, Janet and Chrissy and all of their unforgettable adventures.
Speaker:And you can do that pretty easily because it's very widely available to watch.
Speaker:It airs on Pluto, IFC, and Antenna TV and then the following.
Speaker:If you have a subscription, Filo or Filo, Sling and DirecTV,
Speaker:all right.
Speaker:Well, shall we get into Grandview USA?
Speaker:Like I said, it premiered one week before Red Dawn, which is wild
Speaker:because there are two of the exact same characters in this movie.
Speaker:It's rated R.
Speaker:IMDb is a little lower than, you know, we've been in the mid fives to mid
Speaker:six lately with, with this, the last several movies that we've been covering.
Speaker:5.
Speaker:5 we have for Granby USA.
Speaker:I bet most of you have not seen this, so Here's a little synopsis with
Speaker:only 1 week left before he graduates high school in the small middle
Speaker:Western community of grand view.
Speaker:The 18 year old dreamer Tim Pearson is it is itching to renounce an
Speaker:uninspiring scholarship stand up to his despotic father and pursue a
Speaker:career in oceanography away from home.
Speaker:However, before long, an unexpected meeting with the struggling 27
Speaker:year old owner of of the town's demolition derby track on the
Speaker:other side of the tracks Michelle.
Speaker:Mike Cody and the speed drums King Ernie slam Webster will bring
Speaker:Tim one step closer not only to his aspirations, but also love.
Speaker:But has anyone ever spread his wings away from Grandview USA?
Speaker:That is different, right?
Speaker:It's definitely a different movie.
Speaker:I hadn't even heard of it before.
Speaker:And I just remember, because One of the first movies I covered on the show was
Speaker:Skatetown USA also with Patrick Swayze.
Speaker:It was his first movie role and that was from 1979 and
Speaker:it's just really, I don't know.
Speaker:I'm like, oh, he had a Skatetown USA and a Grandview USA.
Speaker:And they're both strange.
Speaker:At any rate uh, Randall Kleiser.
Speaker:Who is the director and he also directed really good movies, Greece,
Speaker:the blue lagoon, flight of the navigator and white Fang writers.
Speaker:Actually, it's just the 1 writer here, Ken Hickson, and he also
Speaker:wrote inventing the Abbots.
Speaker:and City by the Sea, but he he directed Mr.
Speaker:Mom with Michael Keaton.
Speaker:Love that movie.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So Jamie Lee Curtis in this, you guys, she's very young and her name is Mike.
Speaker:I mean, technically her name is Michelle, but she goes by Mike, Mike Cody.
Speaker:That's Jamie Lee Curtis.
Speaker:Then we have C.
Speaker:Thomas Howell as the 18 year old.
Speaker:Thank God he's 18 as we will get into, Tim Pearson and
Speaker:Patrick Swayze plays Ernie Slam.
Speaker:Webster now, those 2 were, like I said, they were in Red Dawn a week later and
Speaker:also the Outsiders together 3 movies in a really close period of time together,
Speaker:which is interesting because I don't know.
Speaker:It's just really interesting.
Speaker:Anyway, then we have a Jennifer Jason Lee in an extremely different role for her.
Speaker:I, I gotta say, I was really surprised to see who she played in this.
Speaker:She plays candy Webster.
Speaker:And that's so that's Patrick's wife.
Speaker:Yeah, they're married.
Speaker:Yeah, but she's cheating on him the whole time.
Speaker:And we talked about Jennifer Jason Lee, you all know her, but
Speaker:she was in back draft with Kurt.
Speaker:So candy's cheating and her boyfriend that she's cheating.
Speaker:I don't know why you would cheat on Patrick sleazy, but.
Speaker:His name's Troy in the movie, and he's played by Donnie Benton, and
Speaker:he actually had a small role in the Godfather part two, and he
Speaker:was also in Crybaby, Johnny Depp.
Speaker:And then Bob Cody Mike's uncle is played by William Wyndham.
Speaker:He played the president.
Speaker:Well, actually, so he has, he.
Speaker:He kind of looks familiar, but he, you know, his credits go way far back.
Speaker:I think you guys would think he was a familiar actor.
Speaker:He has 257 acting credits.
Speaker:So he's in a ton of stuff.
Speaker:Most notably, I would say he played the president in Escape
Speaker:from Planet of the Apes from 1971.
Speaker:And he was in to kill a mockingbird from 1962 playing Mr.
Speaker:Gilmer can't quite make it up.
Speaker:I, I have seen that movie, but it's been a minute.
Speaker:So I don't recall who that is.
Speaker:And then we have Betty, she helps run the speedway at 1st.
Speaker:I thought maybe she was her aunt, but I don't I don't think she is.
Speaker:Her name, the actress's name is Carol cook.
Speaker:She has roles in 16 candles and American gigolo and.
Speaker:Emmett Walsh he's literally in everything and we've talked
Speaker:about him several times before.
Speaker:He plays Mr.
Speaker:Clark, who is Tim's prom date, Bonnie.
Speaker:He plays her father.
Speaker:We talked about him in the Best of Times episode as well as the Silkwood episode.
Speaker:So he, everybody, M, M, M.
Speaker:It's hard to say though, because it's M, the initial, and then Emmett Walsh.
Speaker:Mr.
Speaker:Pearson, Tim's dad, is played by Ramon Bieri.
Speaker:He looks very familiar.
Speaker:But he's not well known.
Speaker:Bonnie, the prom date is played by Elizabeth Gorsy and she
Speaker:is also in some 80s classics.
Speaker:She plays Tina in Teen Wolf and Wendy Jo in Footloose.
Speaker:So that's Elizabeth Gorsy and we have So Mike has a mentally challenged
Speaker:brother named Cowboy in the movie and he is played by John Philbin.
Speaker:Yes, you all know John Philbin.
Speaker:He's very young in this and I'm like, Oh my God, he looks familiar.
Speaker:And I, I didn't put two and two together until afterwards.
Speaker:But yeah, John Philbin.
Speaker:He's It's pretty well known, most notably playing Amos in Children
Speaker:of the Corn, Nathaniel in Point Break, and Tom McLaury in Tombstone.
Speaker:And then we have both John and Joan Cusack in Little Bit Parts.
Speaker:I don't even know what characters, I think they play brother and
Speaker:sister in the movie, but they're just some townspeople, I think.
Speaker:But yeah, the music here.
Speaker:Is phenomenal.
Speaker:I mean, I don't the, the, I, let me take that back.
Speaker:I don't really think I remember.
Speaker:A lot about the music, but the composer.
Speaker:Is is very well known.
Speaker:His name is Thomas Newman, and he also scored the Shawshank Redemption.
Speaker:I think is the number 1 IMDb movie.
Speaker:I'm pretty sure the Green Mile, Finding Nemo, Cinderella Man, the
Speaker:HBO series, 6 Feet Under, which, That music was good also shows
Speaker:really good and a lot of others.
Speaker:So he's been nominated for 15 academy awards, but he hasn't won any.
Speaker:So anyway, that's him.
Speaker:They spent 5M dollars on this movie and did not quite squeak that back 4.
Speaker:7 in box office.
Speaker:So, like I said, I hadn't even heard of this movie.
Speaker:I, you have to let me know you guys if you've a heard of it and be seen it.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So, very reminiscent of the time, you know, it's early to mid 80s.
Speaker:It opens with this all American small town life scene.
Speaker:Very wholesome.
Speaker:Just it's, it's quite sweet.
Speaker:So then we meet Tim Pearson, who is our grand view high school senior.
Speaker:He actually has aspirations for oceanography in Florida.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:Despite, so he is valedictorian.
Speaker:And so he has a scholarship to ISU, so they must be in Illinois.
Speaker:And he wants to like, turn down his scholarship and go to Florida instead.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:He says he wants to be the next Jacques Cousteau.
Speaker:So we see him in the movie scuba ing like in his bathtub and in
Speaker:like the local gross lake and pond.
Speaker:And it's just like catfish in there.
Speaker:You know, it's a landlocked Midwestern town.
Speaker:So he's like, get me out of here.
Speaker:And then there's some, there's some cute things when we like meet our
Speaker:characters that are major retro alerts.
Speaker:So for example, He watches MTV on his in his room on this teeny tiny
Speaker:tube TV and it's on a TV cart.
Speaker:Do you guys remember those?
Speaker:You don't see that anymore.
Speaker:We also get these really strange.
Speaker:There's two or three of them.
Speaker:They're not dream sequences.
Speaker:I think they're like Imagination sequences of him, you know, working out what he's
Speaker:thinking or feeling in a music video.
Speaker:And the characters that we know are and it's, it's different.
Speaker:It's interesting for sure.
Speaker:And then his mom, we see her in the living room again.
Speaker:It's, it's bigger than his room TV, but, you know, back in the day TVs in the
Speaker:living room were pretty small still.
Speaker:And she's watching Richard Simmons.
Speaker:As she aerobic sizes, so very early to mid 80s.
Speaker:Love it.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So then so it's prom time.
Speaker:He's a senior.
Speaker:It's from his, his date's name is Bonnie and he borrows his, his dad
Speaker:has this brand new shiny Cadillac.
Speaker:And he's, you know.
Speaker:They make a big deal about don't scratch the car.
Speaker:Be careful with the car, the car, the car, the car.
Speaker:So we clearly can see something's going to happen to the car.
Speaker:Yeah, so a prom they're like parked in this, like right
Speaker:by a pond in a muddy area.
Speaker:And they're making out in the back seat and Oh, it sinks in
Speaker:the mud and goes into the pond.
Speaker:What a dipshit.
Speaker:So that's when we meet Mike, a.
Speaker:k.
Speaker:a.
Speaker:Jamie Lee.
Speaker:She gets rescued by Mike.
Speaker:Who's way cooler.
Speaker:This prom date.
Speaker:She, she's pretty cool, but she's very androgynous a little bit.
Speaker:She just wears jeans and like a flannel and she's got a short.
Speaker:Unattractive haircut.
Speaker:But she knows her way about around a toolbox and the demolition
Speaker:Derby and he's You know, starting to get the hots for her.
Speaker:She owns this speed Rome speedway speed Rome.
Speaker:I don't they call it the speed Rome in the movie and I take it that her
Speaker:family has had this in, you know, in the family for quite some time.
Speaker:And she's having a hard time keeping up with repairs and stuff like that.
Speaker:So they keep, you know, Trying to like, all the property around the speed room
Speaker:has been bought up by this developer and she's the holdout and that kind
Speaker:of becomes a thing in a little bit.
Speaker:Well, that okay, so we're at the speed room.
Speaker:We meet slam slam the Ram Webster, a.
Speaker:k.
Speaker:a.
Speaker:Patrick Swayze.
Speaker:So he wins the Derby, like he's a Derbier because he has to get his mind off of
Speaker:the fact that his wife's cheating on him.
Speaker:He makes a scene, you know, it's like out in the open.
Speaker:Everybody knows it.
Speaker:She doesn't even really try and hide it.
Speaker:You know, he smashes this guy's car.
Speaker:You know, the guy gets shot in the foot.
Speaker:It's a whole thing.
Speaker:Just really quickly.
Speaker:I always have to go over over my Patrick.
Speaker:So it's the early 80s, Patrick Swayze.
Speaker:So his hair situation as always, it kind of deserves its own
Speaker:credit, but it's the early 80s.
Speaker:And so it's sort of that not overly done, but it's a little that early
Speaker:80s kind of feathered, but short.
Speaker:Hair that looks good on no one except for Patrick Swayze.
Speaker:Again we, you know, same with the mullet that he'll, he'll bring out
Speaker:he'll haul that out in a few years.
Speaker:But right now it's the short hair, the early eighties version of hair.
Speaker:And I think you guys can picture it.
Speaker:It's longer, it's short, but it's like longer than Jamie Lee's in this movie.
Speaker:She has a really bad haircut.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:But anyway, sometimes he pulls it off as he does with
Speaker:everything because he is Patrick.
Speaker:And again, okay.
Speaker:So because he's Patrick and you know, he, you know, he just,
Speaker:they don't make a lot of money.
Speaker:Clearly money is more important to her than looks because she's
Speaker:cheating with somebody not nearly as attractive and her husband's hot.
Speaker:I don't know why you would cheat on him, but she does.
Speaker:Candy, her, her name says it all.
Speaker:If your wife's name is Candy.
Speaker:She's probably cheating on you.
Speaker:I'm kidding for all of you named candy out there.
Speaker:It's just, you know, you, you get what I'm trying to say.
Speaker:And then, so we learn that in high school, back in the day, slam and Mike, Jamie Lee.
Speaker:So Patrick and Jamie Lee liked each other, but Jamie Lee pretty quickly
Speaker:got married and she's not married now.
Speaker:So she's divorced.
Speaker:And they literally say in the show, or she, one of them, I forget who
Speaker:it is, She is 27 and she is referred to, I guess, in the early eighties
Speaker:in mid, in the Midwest at 27, you are an old maid if you're not married.
Speaker:So she's divorced old maid.
Speaker:That's what they call her.
Speaker:She's 27.
Speaker:This is wild.
Speaker:So anyway, she needs 10, 000 to fix the speedway or it's going to get shut
Speaker:down like I was saying, the developers and it turns out so Tim's dad.
Speaker:Is the county commissioner.
Speaker:And he's part of it.
Speaker:Tim finds this out.
Speaker:He finds these plans to build a country club with the land.
Speaker:And so Tim is pissed that his dad is part of this because now he's developed
Speaker:this friendship and, and crush on Mike.
Speaker:And , she's teaching him how to Derby.
Speaker:So he's, he's upset by this.
Speaker:He comes to Mike's trailer upset, and, you know, they talk and.
Speaker:Get something to eat and they end up having sex.
Speaker:He's 18.
Speaker:Gross.
Speaker:He's a high school kid.
Speaker:Ew.
Speaker:Ew.
Speaker:I don't like this at all.
Speaker:Plus, plus she has already got this like budding romance with
Speaker:Patrick Swayze's character.
Speaker:They were supposed to go out to dinner that night.
Speaker:And she ends up sleeping with the high school kid and then you guys
Speaker:a sweet slam shows up at her trailer in the morning with a bag of groceries to
Speaker:make her breakfast and he finds out, Oh, there's a high school kid in bed with her.
Speaker:Can you imagine this poor man?
Speaker:What in the actual fuck?
Speaker:He, he leaned on her and trusted her.
Speaker:After he's like, Hey my life sucks.
Speaker:My wife's cheating on me.
Speaker:And, you know, she's like, oh, well, we're friends.
Speaker:Like, oh, maybe we could have dinner, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:And now you sleep with this teenager.
Speaker:I, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker:I don't know you guys.
Speaker:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker:They do.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I won't spoil it.
Speaker:So then now there's like this.
Speaker:So, so now they're both into.
Speaker:A, Mike, and B, derbying.
Speaker:And so there's this high stakes competition.
Speaker:So Tim's in it.
Speaker:Tim and Slam go head to head at the derby.
Speaker:Slam gets his revenge.
Speaker:After the derby I mean, obviously it kind of appears as though he's going
Speaker:after Tim on purpose, but he's not.
Speaker:So Mike kind of gets mad.
Speaker:Slam then goes back to his house where he, I mean, he, he just cannot win Slam.
Speaker:He goes back to his house where his wife is in bed with her boyfriend.
Speaker:Literally, he is like either tied or handcuffed to the bed.
Speaker:And Slam finally gets his revenge.
Speaker:He's just continuing to see his wife flaunt this boyfriend in his face.
Speaker:He literally bulldozes the house down with them in it after he smashes her VW bug.
Speaker:How 80s is that?
Speaker:So as they're experiencing this bulldozer come through the house,
Speaker:they're like, what the hell?
Speaker:She.
Speaker:He.
Speaker:He.
Speaker:Proceeds to leave in what her little 90 or whatever she's wearing and leaves her
Speaker:boyfriend tied to the bed to be bulldozed.
Speaker:What a treat this candy is.
Speaker:Yeah, I just, I was like, oh, he finally you go.
Speaker:I mean, I'm not like, let's not do that, but I don't know.
Speaker:It was finally, like, this poor guy.
Speaker:I'll you can, you can put your head on my shoulder.
Speaker:Slam.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Well, then.
Speaker:There's a little bit of a twist at the end.
Speaker:. So Mike and Tim discover the speedway has been burned down.
Speaker:So what are we thinking is probably happening, right?
Speaker:We're probably thinking, oh shit, like the towns, you know, the people who wanted to
Speaker:buy it, you know, something along those lines, like they're forcing her hand
Speaker:little nefarious shit going on like that.
Speaker:But no, no.
Speaker:It's courtesy of cowboy Mike's mentally challenged brother and a missing gas cap.
Speaker:He purposefully didn't put the gas cap on something.
Speaker:And it turns out he did that because Mike has been trying to find all these ways to
Speaker:raise money to try and save the speedway.
Speaker:By not selling it.
Speaker:So she does this cause she had to sell a bunch of junkyard cars.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:Cowboy kind of considered those his cars and she didn't talk to him about it.
Speaker:So he said he did that because they took his cars away.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:Nothing like a little arson to spice up this already super strange storyline,
Speaker:but it's kind of sad so now, so now Mike decides she is going to sell the speech.
Speaker:She's like, well, fuck it.
Speaker:Then I'm going to sell the speedway to Tim's dad.
Speaker:So that so now all all of a sudden no more love triangle, like Tim's cool.
Speaker:With, you know, now, all of a sudden, Mike and slam are just going to be together.
Speaker:And so she decides to sell the speedway to Tim's dad so that she
Speaker:can start a life with slam together.
Speaker:And then we see Tim, he's on a bus to Chicago to go to college, you
Speaker:know, he's, he didn't get his wish.
Speaker:He has to take God forbid.
Speaker:He has to take the scholarship to go to college, but that's
Speaker:not what he wants to do.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So that's where his heart is.
Speaker:And so this was really sweet.
Speaker:Mike, it's always hard for me to say her name is Mike and slam.
Speaker:They somehow get the bus to pull over.
Speaker:He comes out and they give him the car that they're driving in.
Speaker:And the money that she obtained by selling the Speedway so they give it
Speaker:to Tim for his trip to Florida so that he can go pursue his dream in Florida
Speaker:and become the next Jacques Cousteau.
Speaker:And then Mike and Slam, they can still build a life together in this little town
Speaker:and, you know, just have a happy, regular.
Speaker:Small town life together, and so they're officially a couple there.
Speaker:There's this parade summertime in in Grandview, USA.
Speaker:So they're just, you know, off off marching together into their future while
Speaker:Tim's left to chase the ocean waves.
Speaker:It's a very classic small town closure.
Speaker:So that is Grandview USA.
Speaker:You guys.
Speaker:A couple little pieces of trivia that you guys might find
Speaker:interesting before we close.
Speaker:It apparently is the 1st feature film of production company ocelot productions.
Speaker:1 of only 4 CBS theatrical projects greenlit for production in the 1983 year,
Speaker:and they looked at about 40 different towns across the Midwest before
Speaker:setting on filming the entire picture in the American state of Illinois in
Speaker:the cities of Pontiac and fairbury.
Speaker:You know, the song she's like the wind that was in dirty dancing.
Speaker:Patrick wrote it.
Speaker:Patrick sang it right.
Speaker:Well.
Speaker:That was 1987 that movie was in this is what is this?
Speaker:What is this?
Speaker:1984?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So the song she's like the wind originally written by Patrick for Grandview USA.
Speaker:This is a movie apparent.
Speaker:I mean, apparently, supposedly as a love thing for the characters
Speaker:played by him and Jamie Lee Curtis.
Speaker:But it was scrapped because the comedic and somewhat raunchy
Speaker:nature of the film, duh.
Speaker:The track would later eventually be used 3 years later in Swayze's
Speaker:film Dirty Dancing, 1987.
Speaker:But, you listeners, if you've been paying attention, do you remember when we talked
Speaker:about in the Youngblood episode that he shopped it around for that as well?
Speaker:Remember, we talked about Rob Lowe talked about him coming to him
Speaker:trying to use it in that movie too.
Speaker:Patrick.
Speaker:I love you.
Speaker:I love it.
Speaker:But man, he really shops this around.
Speaker:I'm glad it was meant for dirty dancing.
Speaker:Definitely not granted what a waste it would have been in this movie.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So, the demolition Derby part of it, it was a movie set construction,
Speaker:which actually built and filmed on a baseball field and it costs.
Speaker:300, 000.
Speaker:A few casting what ifs.
Speaker:Tim Pearson played by C.
Speaker:Thomas Howell.
Speaker:Which This might be a hot take, but there's nothing wrong.
Speaker:I don't dislike him, but he's always flat.
Speaker:He's always a character that I'm like, he could easily be swapped with someone else.
Speaker:And I think it's sort of like, he did a bunch of stuff, maybe not
Speaker:a bunch, like a handful of things in like, 83, 84, 85 and that's it.
Speaker:And I think that's why, I don't know why they thought, he, he's not without talent.
Speaker:It's just, he's so, eh, I don't know.
Speaker:I, I, I don't think he has star power and I, I don't know.
Speaker:He was given a lot of chances to become 1 and just didn't for whatever reason.
Speaker:Anyway, that's my, that's my hot take on C.
Speaker:Thomas Howell, but he played Tim Pearson, but Kevin Kostner,
Speaker:I guess was offered the role.
Speaker:Which I think would have been better.
Speaker:I'm not like a huge Costner fan, but like I said, I'm not a big C.
Speaker:Thomas Howell fan either.
Speaker:So Jamie Lee Curtis was not who they originally cast as
Speaker:Mike Cody, Michelle, Mike Cody.
Speaker:Apparently Cher was originally the lead female role.
Speaker:And according to an article published August 23rd, 1983
Speaker:issue of the Hollywood Reporter.
Speaker:There were creative differences between Cher and the producers
Speaker:over the casting of the two male leads in the movie Patrick and C.
Speaker:Thomas Howell.
Speaker:Now, I'm on your side Cher with the C.
Speaker:Thomas Howell, but Patrick, I don't know But we talked we talked about Cher because
Speaker:she was in Silkwood with Kurt Yeah, so anyway And then you know how I mentioned
Speaker:John and Joan Cusack were in this?
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:This is one of about 10 feature films that the real life brother and
Speaker:sister, John and Joan Cusack have both appeared in as cast members.
Speaker:Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:You guys Grandview USA again, who's seen it.
Speaker:Who's even heard of it?
Speaker:Anyone?
Speaker:Anyone?
Speaker:Let me know.
Speaker:Don't forget, you can email me if you would like to with
Speaker:comments, questions, et cetera.
Speaker:RetroMadePodcast at gmail.
Speaker:com or you can always leave comments on the YouTube version.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:This movie was definitely an interesting one, a bit out of left field.
Speaker:It is time to get off of this quirky ride and drive ourselves
Speaker:back into the present day reality.
Speaker:Until next time, be kind, rewind.
