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Episode 56

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13th Aug 2025

BONUS: Teen Wolf via "Back Look Cinema" | S2B1

Today as a bonus episode, listen to my guest appearance on Back Look Cinema, the podcast with Zo: Teen Wolf - the 40th anniversary! You can check out all his awesome stuff at https://www.backlookcinema.com/.

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Transcript
Katie:

Hello.

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Hello, this is Katie and welcome

to your bonus episode of Retro

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Made yours truly guested on a

podcast called Back Look Cinema.

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A while back, actually more than

once, but I'm releasing my very first

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appearance on this episode because

it's very similar to the John Hughes

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season who has seen the lovely 1985

classic Teen Wolf with Michael J.

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Fox.

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Now granted this was not.

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A John Hughes written or directed movie.

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It was directed by Rod

Daniel, but it's very similar.

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Additionally, we have been covering

the 40th anniversary of a ton of

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my favorite John Hughes movies.

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Let's see, weird Science 40th anniversary.

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The Breakfast Club 40th anniversary.

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Also the upcoming episode where host Zoe

from Back Look Cinema will be joining me

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on the 40th anniversary of the European

Vacation National Lampoons that is.

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So I wanted you guys to have

a little bonus episode, , to

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reminisce about the lovely.

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Albeit a little offbeat,

perhaps Teen Wolf.

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I loved it.

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And I would also invite you to go check

out Zoe's podcast Back Look Cinema.

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It'll be linked in the show notes for you.

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I also covered amazing, was it

90 91 Universal Soldier with

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Jean Claude and Dolf Lundgren.

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So go check Zoe out.

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And then be on the lookout

for the upcoming National

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Lampoons European vacation.

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Okay.

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Zo: Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3.

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You're frustrated.

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I know you wanna break something.

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I know nothing is going the

way that you thought it should.

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Believe me.

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I know right now you need to take a break.

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Breathe in.

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Breathe out.

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Just tilt.

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Just chill for a minute and join

us on Bacl Cinema, the podcast.

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I'm your host, Zoe.

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That's Z or Zeto.

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If you're outside of the

US it's the 119th episode.

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Thank you for downloading or streaming.

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We really appreciate it.

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We watch movies that I love when

I was growing up in the seventies,

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eighties, and nineties, and I

talk about my favorite parts.

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And now share a little bit

of trivia along the way.

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If you like what you're about to

hear, then please tell your family.

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Tell your friends and

tell all your neighbors.

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Tell your teenage werewolf

about our humble little show

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back like cinema, the podcast.

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And now I have a brand new contestant.

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That has entered the chat.

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Armed with Enthusiasm with Charm,

this new podcaster will impact you

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with her incredible show Retro Made.

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She's also the co-host of One More

Round, the Rocky Series Podcast.

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Ladies, gentlemen, and gender

fluid, may I introduce Katie?

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Katie: Hello?

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Hello.

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Hey, how

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Zo: are you doing today?

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Katie: I'm doing great.

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How are you?

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I'm

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Zo: doing swell.

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Uh, swell is my natural state.

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That's great.

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Well,

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Katie: thank you for having me.

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Zo: Thank you for

joining this little show.

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I really appreciate it.

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I've been able to sample

some of your work.

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You are fantastic.

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You hit all the right nostalgia buttons.

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We are in the same club We

are and I'm glad to know you.

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Katie: Same, same.

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I'm excited for our discussion today.

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Zo: Awesome.

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So, uh, I have a few questions prepared.

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Now, you, you've heard a couple of

my shows and, and my audience knows

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that I, I'm not wanting to Cronkite,

I'm not going to be hitting you

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with the hard hitting questions.

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Okay, good.

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Phew.

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Right.

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But I'm going, I'm going to do my

best with my, my simple questions.

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So my, my first question that

I have for you is you've got.

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Two podcast shows, at least

two shows that I know of.

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So how many more do you intend to do?

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Katie: Oh, oh goodness.

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I, it keeps me pretty busy, I gotta say.

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So, you know, Rocky will

be going for a long time.

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So we're currently on season,

uh, two of, one more round, uh,

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where we cover the Rocky movies.

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And so it's multiple episodes

in that covers a movie.

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So we've got, we're gonna go up to

Rocky six, a k, a Rocky Balboa, and

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then after that same group, same

show, we're gonna cover, uh, famous

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boxing movies in a similar way.

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But, we'll, so that show will

keep me busy for several years.

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And then my new show, retro

Made, uh, it's new so I, I don't

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plan on starting another show.

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I think there are plenty of fun movies,

uh, from the eighties and nineties

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with tons of pop culture thrown in.

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Uh, that will keep me

busy for several years.

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So I think I'm gonna

just stick with the two.

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Zo: Okay, because I was definitely

concerned about your work life balance

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because me, with this, just this one

show, it's, it's a lot of work and it's,

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I'm starting to learn that I can spread

some of that work during the week so I

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don't have to cram everything on one day.

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Katie: Yes, it's a lot.

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It is a lot.

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And, uh, so I don't do the

heavy lifting on the Rocky Show.

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Uh, I'm a co-host.

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There are three of us.

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So Ryan is, uh, he does all of

the heavy lifting, so thankfully,

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uh, I don't have to do the editing

and, and all of that for that show.

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But, but yes, since starting Retro

Made, it is a lot of work, but it's fun.

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So it's a good hobby to have.

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Zo: It's definitely something that you

have to be passionate about because even

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though I enjoy podcasting, it's when I

get to the editing that I start to cringe.

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Yeah.

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The bad, it's bad enough that I have to

listen to my own voice, uh, which I make

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sound as smooth and as nice as possible,

but I don't like listening to it.

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But yeah, so listening to that for

an additional two hours after I've

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recorded a show is, uh, it, I don't

look forward to it, but I do enjoy doing

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the work, so, uh, that's why I do it.

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Uh, well that's why I engage

with the editing and that's

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like the bulk of the work.

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And then of course there's

the promotion and all that.

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So,

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Katie: yep.

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Zo: Uh, I'm glad you're in this

fight and that you're willing

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to take on the challenges.

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Katie: I'm glad to be here as well.

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And like I said, it's fun guesting on

other shows as well, so I'm very happy to

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be here with you today to talk Teen Wall.

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Zo: Yes.

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So my next question, what's one of

your favorite nostalgia moments?

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And I ask this because your,

your show is based on nostalgia.

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What I like about the show is that not

only do you go into the movies or the

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shows that you intend to talk about you,

but you do a deep dive with the cultural

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moments of when the movie had premiered.

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So you talk about like the politics of

the time, the popular TV shows, the,

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the top music kits that were going on.

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So that's, that's all great.

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Uh, I, I was pleasantly surprised with

the scope of what you had covered.

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So what are your favorite,

some of your favorite nostalgic

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moments from, you know, the past?

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The yesteryear, the, the Time's gone by?

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Katie: Oh my gosh, that's a, actually

that is a Walter Cronkite type question.

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That's a tough one.

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Um, I guess it's, uh, it's hard to

put into, into words that one moment.

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It's really just the, the experience

and, and I do romanticize the past.

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So I, I was born in the eighties,

so if that gives any indication, but

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that time I just really do feel like

being a kid in the eighties and early

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nineties and then high school in the

nineties, um, it's, it's seems like a

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simpler time or a, and maybe it's just

that I was a kid, so it's simpler.

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So it's hard to say.

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I do romanticize the past, but I

just, there's just nothing like.

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Um, you know, the cereal combined

with the Saturday morning cartoons,

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combined with the musty TV at night.

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These show sitcoms, I'm a big sitcom

person, so it just is this, this warm,

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it's like a warm bath, just this very

comforting feeling, nostalgia and

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the eighties especially that it has.

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So, I don't know if I

could pick one moment.

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It's, it's just being a kid in the

eighties, riding your bike around

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the neighborhood, coming home,

watching these shows, you know,

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eating food that wasn't good for me.

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I don't care.

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I like sugar cereal, you know?

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So, um, yeah, it was just,

I, I love the idea of it.

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It's a comforting feeling.

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I don't know if that quite

answered your question or not.

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Zo: Yeah.

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As a matter of fact, when, when you

had mentioned it, as soon as you

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started to talk, I started to think

about Saturday morning cartoons.

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And I remember like, um, my only

responsibilities was going to

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school and I barely wanted to do

that, you know, doing homework.

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Yeah.

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You didn't have like real

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Katie: responsibilities yet.

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Yeah.

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Zo: Right, right.

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And so I grew up in that block of time,

so I grew up in, uh, the seventies and

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eighties, so that, that block of time

when you only had a certain amount

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of kids programming, so that one was

like, uh, the afternoon after school.

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Oh, yeah.

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And you would watch, and you would watch

cartoons until live action came on.

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And then because you didn't wanna do

anything else, you would grudgingly

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watch some of the live action shows.

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Like I would grudgingly watch Mr.

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Rogers.

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After all, I was like, oh man,

there are no more cartoons.

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Well, I guess I gotta watch this guy.

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Right.

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Katie: I can't possibly do

my homework at this time.

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Like, I'm right.

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Right.

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I've been a procrastinator my entire life

and if anything, it's getting worse now.

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And so, right.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I'll find any, I'll watch anything

to avoid doing homework or

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whatever else I'm supposed to do.

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Zo: Right.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, it's one of the reasons why I

can't watch the Grammys today because

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the Grammys, or the Oscars, or any

award show reminds me of the times

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when I was growing up where I couldn't

actually watch them because I had

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this huge, uh, gigantic load of, um,

homework assignments that I had to do.

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Like, it seems like whenever these shows

come on, every class wanted to do, wanted

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you to do an enormous amount of homework.

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And I, well, they were

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Katie: aired on Sunday nights too, right?

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So you, you'd have to do your homework

over the weekend, like on Sunday nights.

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So Yeah.

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And the shows, those, like

award shows are on Sundays.

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Zo: Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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Just procrastinate until it's too late.

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Yep.

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And now, and the shows are on and

I wanna watch shows, can't watch

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shows because I procrastinate until

Sunday night to do the homework.

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So yeah, same.

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Yeah, it's crazy.

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And then, uh, Saturday morning cartoon.

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So the only time I wanted to wake up

early was on Saturdays or Christmas

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Day, whenever that happened to happened.

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So indeed, indeed.

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Just wake up, just try to catch

the earliest cartoons that came on.

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So, um, now, now that we've, uh,

we've tickled our nostalgia a

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little bit, uh, one last question.

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Do you watch remakes?

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So I asked this question because I just

recently, uh, saw the trailer where

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the remake of white men can't jump and

eventually felt a kind of a tre factor.

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Yeah.

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It was like, Ugh, do they

really need to remake this?

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And I, a lot of people feel that ways

about a lot of shows in movies, but then

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I start to think, well, there are a lot

of movies that are remakes that I didn't

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realize were remakes until I, until it

was, you know, brought to my attention.

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So, uh, movies like Little

Shopper Horrors or Oceans 11 Cape

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Fear, we just did the fugitives.

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I, I didn't know like, until, like,

I mean, I knew at the time, but like

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later at the time when people would

talk about the shows at, when, when I

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watched them, that they were me remakes.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, um, so the, I've come to understand

that a remake isn't for the audience, um,

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the older audience, it's for the newer

audience that didn't know that these

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were ori uh, aren't original properties.

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So when on that lens, I, I ask

you, do you wa do you like remakes?

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Do you watch remakes?

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Or are there ones that you avoid?

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How do you feel in general?

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Katie: Really good questions though.

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Uh, generally speaking, I,

I'm not a fan of remakes.

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Especially of, there are just some movies.

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I'm like, please don't touch that.

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Just please don't touch that.

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Like, white Men Can't Jump was so good.

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Uh, foot loose.

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Like, I didn't watch it.

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I didn't watch it.

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I'm like, don't touch Footloose.

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Or, you know, I'm like, if they

ever don't touch Rocky, don't,

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don't touch the Breakfast Club.

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These are movies.

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Just please don't.

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But you do bring up a good point

about similar, like Cape Fear.

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I only recently realized that

that was a remake as well.

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So

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I guess my feeling on remakes is if

the original wasn't this beloved film,

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then maybe it's okay to remake it.

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But if it's a beloved film, I'm,

I don't want you to touch it.

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That's my feeling of remake.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Zo: Yeah.

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I kind of feel the same way.

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So, but I also, I'll go ahead.

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Oh,

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Katie: I was just, I just

thought of another example.

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So, um, my first season of Retro

Made is the ultimate Everman,

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Kurt Russell and Patrick Swayze.

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And so obviously we're

gonna be covering Roadhouse,

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music: right.

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Katie: Which is so great.

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I, I per, I mean, it's not a fantastic

film, but it's, it's kind of one of those

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beloved, like we all love it for a number

of reasons, but they're remaking, they've

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remade Roadhouse and that's one exception

to the rule because Jake Gien Hall.

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Uh, I, I'm a big fan of him, and I

think he will actually do a good job.

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So I, I, that's an exception

to the rule where I'm, uh, I am

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curious to see how that turns out.

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Zo: Right.

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Did you, what were you say, well,

I don't, I don't care now because

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you brought up, uh, that remake.

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So I, I need to ask you

a different question.

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Did you see the, it was

a clip of the movie.

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It's not really a clip.

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It's more like they're, they're doing

like a, a kind of a fake press conference.

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So you see this scene in perspective

of the, of the reporters on the scene.

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So it looks like a real, like when

two fighters, uh, are doing like a

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face-to-face or whatever at a press

conference, they're doing a weigh in.

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That's what it's, it's the weigh in

and I forgot who their opponent is.

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The opponent is, I think it's a real MMA

fighter, and it's, uh, Jake Gill Hall, and

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he's in character, uh, with a shirt off.

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And, uh, you know, there's a little

back and forth, and when I saw that,

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I'm like, this looks like a good clip.

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This looks like I might get into this

movie, but I also understand that

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it's gonna be a complete reimagining.

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It's not going to be the first movie

because in this version, um, the

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main character, Jake, that Jake Lenka

plays is, uh, I think he's a fighter.

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He is, he's mainly a fighter.

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He's not like a, a, a brawler, or,

no, he's not a, what you call it.

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I don't think that he's a, a.

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Katie: Like a bouncer by what

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Zo: did Patrick?

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A bouncer, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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I'm not sure if he's a bouncer.

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I'm, I think he's a far a

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Katie: cooler, I guess.

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I don't know if that was a

thing back then, but that's

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technically what his role was.

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Yeah.

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Zo: Yeah.

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So I, so I'm not exactly sure what,

how, what path he's gonna take or what

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the shape the story is gonna take.

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But when I saw that clip, I'm like,

you know what, Jake looks pretty good.

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I think he's gonna rock this role.

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Katie: He, I, he is good.

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I mean, he, he's like legit.

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Um, I dunno if you ever saw Southpaw,

so he, he can do the action.

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No, I didn't do that.

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It's good.

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I like boxing and boxing movies,

but, um, yeah, he, he did a

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really good job in that too.

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So, yeah, I feel like Jake,

LI, I'm, I calmed down after

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I learned that it was him.

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Zo: Right, right, right.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, I, yeah, there are definitely

some remakes that can be done.

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Right.

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And, and then some, some of them are

gonna fail, and some of 'em, I just, I

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just like, as a guilty pleasure, like

I know that the Robocop remake doesn't

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actually work, but I do, like, I do think

it's better than a lot of the Robocop

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sequels that came after the original film.

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And I, I didn't ever

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Katie: see this, the remake.

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I didn't see it.

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Yeah.

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Zo: Uh, I think that the reason that it's

not as good is because they don't lean

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on the satire elements of the original.

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Like the original had something to

say about, uh, you know, being human

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and, uh, you know, the prospect of

losing your memories and trying to find

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yourself again in the midst of all that.

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And the new version kind of touches

on it, but it doesn't hit as hard and

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you don't feel the satire in that.

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But, um, it, it's like, I think

what it was was that they stripped

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away the satire and it doesn't,

because they stripped away.

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The satire doesn't hit as hard.

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Yeah.

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But other than that, I thought

it was a pretty fair movie, but

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I, I know that a lot of people

didn't like it, so, I don't know.

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Uh, examine at your own peril or

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Katie: good caution.

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Yes.

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Zo: So, um, thanks for,

for this short interview.

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Why don't you let the people know about

where they can find retro made, where

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they could find you on your socials?

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Let the people know and I'll make sure

that the details are in the show notes.

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Katie: Awesome.

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Well, thank you.

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So Retro Made is on YouTube

under Retro Made Podcast.

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It's also on, uh, the vast

majority of whatever PO app

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you use to listen to podcasts.

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Just search for retro Made.

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Uh, my tagline is your pop culture rewind.

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Um, so, and then, uh, I'm on Facebook,

so YouTube, Facebook, and your pod.

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App.

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Those are, that's kind of

where you can find retro made.

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Uh, it's really fun.

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If you like nostalgia, these

movies with fun pop culture.

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If you wanna take a trip down

memory lane with a little time

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capsule, uh, check me out there.

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And if you like rocky movies, you might

like, uh, one more Round coverage.

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Uh, there's three of us.

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I'm a co-host of that show

that's also, uh, on YouTube,

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uh, as well as your podcast app.

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Zo: Awesome.

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So when they look for you on

Twitter, is it at Retro Made?

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Oh, you're not on Twitter?

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No.

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Is it I'm, uh, Facebook?

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Yep.

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Facebook.

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Oh, Facebook, uh, retro Made and

then at Retro Made for, uh, YouTube.

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Zo: Okay.

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So it's YouTube and Facebook.

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Katie: YouTube, Facebook, and then

however you listen to podcasts.

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Yep.

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Zo: Awesome.

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Awesome.

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We'll, we'll make sure that

we put that in the show notes.

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So yeah.

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You might

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Katie: wanna take this out, but,

um, yeah, Twitter's kind of going

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down the tubes, so I'm like,

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you know what I mean?

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Who knows what's going on with

the, with the dude running that

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now, so, um Right, right, right.

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I'm still, you can feel free to

edit that out, but I'm like, eh,

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I think I'll skip Twitter for now.

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I personally am on it, so I'll Yeah.

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Just like me.

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Uh, but

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Zo: yeah.

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Right, right.

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But, but not the podcast.

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Yeah.

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There, there are a lot, there are a

number of people that have taken their

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shows off of YouTube, but I'm still

kind of hanging, I mean, not YouTube.

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Twitter.

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Twitter, yeah.

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Twitter.

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Yeah.

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I'm still kind of hanging on with

it and mainly because I've found

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a, a small community of podcasters

and that I hang with and I don't.

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That's awesome.

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Get as much like, versus my personal

page, I don't get as much as

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that negative content on mm-hmm.

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The podcast page.

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'cause I mainly just interact

with those folks and so that's

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what tends to show up on my feed.

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And, uh, and it's fun

hanging out with them.

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So as long as I feel as they're

on there, then I will go

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ahead and, and stay on there.

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Just, you know, for the time being,

there's no crime for not being on Twitter.

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It's not,

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Katie: no,

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Zo: it's not like you're

gonna be penalized.

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I know.

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I'm like, well, I'm

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Katie: trying to decide like, what's

gonna be the replacement of it, you know,

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I'm trying, there's a, yeah, so, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Zo: The right now there aren't there,

like, there aren't really too many.

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Options that do a similar

thing that, uh, Twitter does.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like, I, I'm on Mastodon, but there

doesn't seem to be a lot of, uh,

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feedback or connection with Mastodon.

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It's like you can post, uh,

some people have more success

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than others on that platform.

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And then for a lot of people

it's, uh, hard to get into.

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It's like you're not, you can't

just sign up for it like you

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do any other social media.

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There, there are a couple more Yeah.

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Layers that you have to get

into to do Mastodon and that

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turns that can turn people off.

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Katie: Yeah.

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I, um, I'm actually not on it, but from

what I'm, I hear, I guess the biggest

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pro is that it's not algorithmic.

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Yeah.

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You know what I mean?

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Which is nice.

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I think that I, I, I appreciate

that aspect of it, but

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Zo: Right, right, right.

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So, um, oh, I remember, we

need to play your trailer.

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both: Oh.

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Zo: So let's listen to the

trailer for retro made.

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Katie: Calling all nostalgia

nerds and retro junkies.

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Let's take a trip down

memory lane, shall we?

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I'm Katie and this is Retro

Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Together with my totally awesome

guests, we'll explore the best

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of the eighties and nineties.

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Ah, the good old days

before adulting was a thing.

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Think of it as a VHS time capsule.

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We dive into iconic movies of the

time, grouped in thematic seasons.

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Stay tuned for the season one theme As

we break down the movie, we also explore

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the moments that shaped our childhoods.

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You know, the TV shows, music, fashion,

cartoons, toys, and other cultural

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trends that defined the year in which

each movie was released from the classic

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coming of age Films of John Hughes and

must see Mob movies to the unforgettable

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TV shows like The Cosby Show.

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Cheers the Golden Girls

Friends and Seinfeld.

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We'll discuss why these blasts from the

past continue to resonate with us today.

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So wanna take a break from all the

crazy with me every other week?

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Let's be BFFs who reminisce

about growing up in the best era.

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Where to find me, follow retro

made on your podcast app of choice

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and subscribe on YouTube so you

never miss an installment of

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this little cassette roulette.

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And remember, be kind, rewind.

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Zo: And that's it.

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That is the trailer for Retro Made.

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Katie: Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Zo: So now we are entering into the

segment known as the opening credits.

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And what we want to talk about is

a movie that we both just watched

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recently, a movie that is near

and dear to both of our hearts.

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I sent you the grand list of movies, and

from that list, you have chosen a movie

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for teenagers everywhere, teen Wolf.

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So go ahead and let us

know about this movie.

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Katie: Yes.

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Teen Wolf from 1985, Scott Howard is just

an average teen, living an average life.

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He wants the prettiest girl in school

and the adulation of his peers.

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But greatness seems to

be just out of his reach.

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Suddenly something changes in his,

in his life and everything that

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he's ever wanted is in his grasp.

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Now, more than ever, his morals

and self-worth will be tested

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living life as a teenage werewolf.

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Zo: Yes.

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And that.

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Is that, that is the,

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it's the reason I say that is because

it's uh, it's kind of like your

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average teen drama and then they

drop into werewolf in that drama.

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And now it's, it's a whole new thing.

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And I think that is, is

what I loved about it.

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So this movie was released in August 23rd,

:

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Group and Wolf Kill Production.

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It grossed over $30 million in the

US and Canada on a budget between 1.2

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and $4 million.

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And it had unkind reviews and I proved

to one the people who didn't like it.

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But I do understand some of the aspects

of why they didn't like it, and I couldn't

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find the exact budgets on these movies.

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Like some sources say 1.2

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million and other sources

say 4 million, but still the,

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both: the growth, that's pretty great.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The

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Zo: growth has $30 million.

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So it made bank, that's why there'd

been like, they, first they tried a

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sequel and the sequel didn't work.

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Then there was a cartoon.

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Did you ever see the cartoon?

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Katie: Oh, I kind of for, no, I didn't.

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But I, I just now recalled its existence.

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Zo: Yes, yes.

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I, I, I watched the cartoon and now

there's a, it interesting because I

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asked you earlier about, um, Nosto,

well Remakes, uh, and they have mm-hmm.

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A very popular Teen Wolf

remake that I had not watched.

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Oh, yeah.

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Katie: Yeah.

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I haven't seen it either.

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I haven't seen it either.

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Right.

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:

Like the TV series though, right?

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Isn't it a TV series?

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TV series is.

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Zo: It's a teen drama.

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And I was like, well, first

of all, I don't need to watch

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another, another teen drama.

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And the other thing is like, I don't want

a dramatic representation of Teen Wolf.

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Katie: No.

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That's the best, yeah.

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The ridiculous nature

of it is the best part.

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Zo: Right, right, right.

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But I'm sure it's, it's a fantastic show.

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I, I'm confident that it is.

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It's in like, its fourth or

fifth season, and then they

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made a movie based on TV series.

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And so I, I'm sure it's great, but I

feel like it's not for me, I, I might be

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tempted to check out like the, uh, pilot

episode just to see what all the Hub Up

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is about and to see how it's related to

the original movie, just out of curiosity.

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But it's like, I have enough

movies and TV shows on my plate so

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I don't have to delve into that.

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Oh,

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Katie: right.

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There's so much.

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Yeah.

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I kind of wonder if it's more along the

lines of like the Twilight series, like

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kind of capitalizing on the popularity

of that genre and you know, with it

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being more dramatic, I have a feeling

it has very little to do with the movie,

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like that there's hardly anything.

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Right, right.

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Innocence of the movie.

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Yeah.

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Zo: Yeah.

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I think that they have some

of the same characters.

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They changed some of the names, like I

think, uh, Scott Howard in the show is,

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uh, it's called Scott McCall, so they

kind of changed some of the last names.

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Okay.

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But the characters all general, like

there's a styles and, and I guess, oh,

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Katie: okay.

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Well, I'm, I could be very wrong then.

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That's cool.

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I'm, that's, I'm glad to hear that.

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Yeah.

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Zo: Right, right.

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But I, I think it's a closely

more related to the Archie.

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No, it's called Riverdale.

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So Riverdale is like the Archie you make.

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Yeah.

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And it's all super teen dramatic.

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So I think it's gonna be like that.

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Katie: Yeah.

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I forgot about that too.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah.

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I only really like teen movies from

like the eighties and the nineties.

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Right, right, right.

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Zo: I only like the ones

when I was a teenager.

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Yeah.

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I don't care about, I don't

care about the new teen stuff.

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Now it's like, who cares about

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Katie: these kids now?

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Yeah.

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Right,

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Zo: right.

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It's, it's for the kids.

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It's, to me, I feel like, uh, I've

outgrown this, this teen dramas.

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Like, I don't feel that way anymore.

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I don't wanna, I don't wanna

relive the teen years in that way.

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Mm-hmm.

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If I wanna relive my teen years, I'll

watch something like, uh, what's that?

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What was that movie called?

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I'm trying to remember.

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It was a movie that we just,

just did a couple weeks ago.

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It has something to do with airplanes.

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Um, I keep wanting to say

Airwolf, but it wasn't Airwolf.

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Oh.

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Um, uh, time?

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No, not time.

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It, it, it had a teenager and he

flew an airplane with Louis Gossa Jr.

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But I can't remember.

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:

Oh.

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But if I, if I want to be

nostalgic, I'll ask that.

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Yeah, watch that.

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Katie: Yeah,

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indeed.

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:

Zo: So moving right along, because

if, if I dwell on it, I'm gonna spend

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24 hours trying to think of that.

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both: Yeah.

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I'm,

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Katie: yep.

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Zo: I'll think of it

before the end of the show.

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So why don't you, uh, start us off, let

us know who was starring in Teen Wolf.

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Katie: We have Michael J.

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Fox as Scott Howard, and you know, he

needs no introduction, but you know,

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from the Back to the Future fame, the

frighteners the Secret of My Success,

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which was also a really fun movie.

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Zo: Right.

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So, strangely enough, back to The

Future Series is the only other

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series I've seen with Michael J.

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Fox, others and Teen Wolf.

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But I used to be a huge

fan of Family Ties.

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Oh yeah.

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The shows that, uh, where he got

a stardom from and that he filmed

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at the same time as he filmed

Back to the Future and Teen Wolf.

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Mm-hmm.

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He made Teen Wolf back to the Future.

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Around the same time, the only reason

that he was able to make Teen Wolf is

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because the show had to go on break

because his co-star was pregnant.

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We'll get into that in the trivia,

but, um, and when he made back to the

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Future, he actually actually worked

the show and the movie, it was only

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because he was extremely young and

apparently needed very little sleep

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that he was able to do both movies.

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Katie: That's insane.

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:

I, I can't buy energy.

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:

I wish I could buy energy

basically, you know?

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Zo: Right.

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Absolutely.

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So, up next is James Hampton.

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He played Harold Howard.

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He's been in Slingblade

the Longest Yard from:

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Another movie that had been remade

the China Syndrome from:

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So, uh, that was, that was

a, that was a cool role.

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That was a cool, well, as far as James

Hampton in this movie, he had one of

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the best parts of this movie, and we'll

get into that in our favorite parts.

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So, who's next?

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Katie: We have Susan or Ct as Lisa,

more known in the movie as Boof.

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I didn't even know her actual name.

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In the movie was Lisa.

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She's known as Boof Scott's best friend.

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Uh, and apparently her

last name is Marconi.

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She is, I hadn't seen her in anything

else, but, uh, she's apparently

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from the Walking Dead zapped, doing

Time on Planet Earth is where you

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might see Susan in something else.

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Zo: Right.

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And when she was in The Walking

Dead, it's not the TV series,

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it's, it's a movie called The

Walking Dead that came out in:

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Katie: Oh, yes.

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I'm glad you pointed that out, because

I just skipped right past that.

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My brain didn't, didn't notice that.

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Zo: Right.

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I, I want our audience to know that

it wa is not the TV show, so, you

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know, you're not gonna find her there.

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And the other, thank you for pointing

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both: that out.

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Zo: Right.

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And other movies that she's been

in, I'm not that familiar with.

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She didn't have a huge film

career, but I think she's like

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behind the scenes, but Okay.

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As far as a, a screen actor, she's

not really doing that that much.

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So up next is.

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Jerry Levine, he played Styles.

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Oh, see, I told you I was gonna

remember the movie that I, before the

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end of the podcast, 'cause I wrote

it down and he was an Iron Eagle.

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Iron Eagle was the movie.

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Katie: I've never seen Iron Eagle.

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It's just something I need to see.

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:

Oh my God, you have gotta

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Zo: watch Iron Eagle.

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I'll

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Katie: do it and then I will

let you know what I think of it.

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Zo: All right.

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:

Because Iron Eagle,

stars Lloyd Gossett Jr.

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And you just gotta watch it for him.

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Okay.

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And I watched that movie like probably

a dozen times when I was growing up.

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Just couldn't.

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And then apparently there's this, uh,

the main song from the movie is by Queen.

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And I didn't know that because

it didn't sound like Queen to me.

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:

both: Oh, okay.

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But

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Zo: there's a, a friend of mine from

another show and he loves that song.

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So, um, yeah, just check it out for that.

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So he was, um, Dar Levine was also

in, born in the 4th of July in Canine.

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And uh, nowadays he's

more behind the scenes.

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He's more of a director and producer.

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Katie: Great.

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Role styles.

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Such a good one.

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Yes.

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Yeah,

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Zo: absolutely.

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:

Katie: Um, and then, uh,

another friend of Scott's, uh,

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Lewis is played by Matt Adler.

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Uh, and you will see him or he will

look familiar from Flight of the

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Navigator the day after tomorrow.

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And Chronicle.

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Zo: Yes.

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And I've seen all of these movies, so,

and, but I don't remember people, so,

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Katie: flight of the Navigator.

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I mean, I feel like I've, I think

that's when we had taped, like from

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tv, but I haven't, I think I've seen

that maybe it's probably been like

738

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35 years since I've seen that movie.

739

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Zo: Right, right.

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Oh, also, I don't think I've

seen this version of it.

741

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I think the version I seen was the one,

the, the remade version with the, oh,

742

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I can't remember his name, but I th I

think, I think I saw the newer version

743

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and not the earlier version, but I,

or am I thinking of the correct movie?

744

:

I might be thinking of the

completely different movie.

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:

Katie: I'm not sure.

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There's so many.

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I'm thinking

748

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Zo: now, now that I think about it,

I'm thinking about a, a movie that had

749

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been, uh, a plane had crashed, and so

the survivors have to figure out how

750

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to, how to get themselves rescued.

751

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I don't think that's what Flight

of The Navigator is about.

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Katie: I don't think so.

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I think you're thinking

of a different movie.

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Zo: Yeah, I'm thinking

of a different movie.

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I think it's Flighted a Phoenix

or something like that, anyway.

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both: Oh, okay.

757

:

Zo: Yeah.

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Dennis Quaid, I think was in that movie.

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both: Okay.

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:

Zo: I don't, I think I know what you're

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both: talking about.

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:

Zo: Yeah.

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I'm, I'm all discombobulated now.

764

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So, moving right along.

765

:

Uh, Lori Griffin played Pamela Wells.

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She was, uh, also in cheerleading

camp and drug runners.

767

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She like, uh, some other actors, not a

whole bunch of stuff in her filmography,

768

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but she played Pamela Wells very well.

769

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Katie: She Did she?

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Yes.

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Uh, I'm trying to decide if I, however,

I actually didn't think she was that

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pretty, like, um, is that mean of me to

say she's supposed to be No, it's not.

773

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Now she's not mean, supposed to be

like, and she has like pretty long

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blonde hair and everything, but

she's supposed to be like the most

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popular girl in school and Right.

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Zo: Super pretty.

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Katie: But I actually

think Booth was prettier.

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But anyway,

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Zo: I, I don't, I, I wouldn't say

that Booth was prettier, but I don't,

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I thought they were the same to me.

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Mm-hmm.

782

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So I think it was just that Scott

Howard just had a thing for blondes.

783

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both: Yeah.

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And

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Zo: I think that was all it was, because

the only thing that Pamela Wells had

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going for her was that she had blonde hair

787

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Katie: and it was pretty,

she did a pretty hair.

788

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She had like long Right.

789

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Pretty blonde hair, but yeah.

790

:

Zo: Right, right.

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:

Katie: Um, next we have James

Macro who played Vice principal.

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Oh, he was the vice principal.

793

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I thought he was the principal.

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At any rate, rusty Thorn.

795

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Uh, great character.

796

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Great character.

797

:

And he will, he was also in, uh,

gremlins, the Howling Annie Hall.

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:

Uh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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:

Zo: So, yeah, I, I was with you.

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Um, I think it was only like halfway

through the movie that he was at, he

802

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identified himself as the vice principal.

803

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I missed that.

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Yeah.

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'cause it was kind of weird

that the, I was like, why is

806

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the principal hounding this kid?

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But they explained it like

later on in the movie, and that

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was, and I was pretty cool.

809

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both: Yeah.

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Zo: But yeah, later on he was, uh, they

was like the, he was the vice principal.

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I was like, why is the

vice principal so ornery?

812

:

Yeah.

813

:

I was like, I see nothing else to do.

814

:

Katie: He, he did play a good role and

it's, um, it's kind of one of those tropes

815

:

in, in these eighties movies, there always

has to be like the big bad principle guy.

816

:

Zo: Yes.

817

:

In all these movies.

818

:

As a matter of fact, uh, almost every

movie, they had a big bad principle.

819

:

So it was him, it was, uh, it was

another, um, back to the Future,

820

:

you had the, the mean principle.

821

:

Was it, was that the

principal Breakfast Breakfast

822

:

Katie: club?

823

:

There wa there was the Breakfast

Club Principle, um, right.

824

:

Um, Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

825

:

That's probably one of

the most famous, like,

826

:

Zo: right, right, right, right.

827

:

Yeah, that principle.

828

:

And then it was, uh,

the real life principle.

829

:

Um.

830

:

Oh God, what is the name of this movie?

831

:

I'm, I'm forgetting all of the movies.

832

:

It's a movie that I covered on the show.

833

:

So it was based on a true event.

834

:

both: Oh.

835

:

And, uh,

836

:

Zo: it was, it was about

the East Side High School.

837

:

It had, let's see if I

can remember his name.

838

:

Nope.

839

:

Can't remember his name right now.

840

:

So, so anyway, it is about, uh, a

true life, about a, a high school

841

:

in, uh, uh, Eastern United States.

842

:

I think it was New Jersey

or something like that.

843

:

And it was a, uh, a, a principal

that basically had reformed his

844

:

high school, but he was Polish.

845

:

Oh.

846

:

And he was, uh, was

847

:

Katie: it, was it, uh, Morgan

Freeman that played him?

848

:

Yeah.

849

:

Zo: Morgan Freeman.

850

:

Oh, yeah.

851

:

Katie: Uh, lean on Me.

852

:

Zo: Yes, lean on me.

853

:

Thank you for remembering that for me.

854

:

Such

855

:

Katie: a good movie.

856

:

Oh, and Morgan Freeman.

857

:

Oh my gosh.

858

:

Right.

859

:

Yeah, that's probably one of his earlier.

860

:

He wasn't super famous

yet, maybe, but yeah.

861

:

Zo: Great movie.

862

:

Well, he was famous enough to get a

starring role and, uh, that, that,

863

:

that was a, a fabulous movie, but it

was definitely earlier in his career.

864

:

music: Mm-hmm.

865

:

Zo: So, moving right

along, we have Mark Arnold.

866

:

He played Mick McAllister.

867

:

He was in Blade Runner 2049.

868

:

Angel has Fallen and

Florence Foster Jenkins.

869

:

And, uh, yeah, it sounds

like a great filmography.

870

:

Katie: He was a great character.

871

:

Um, but one of the funniest things,

um, and I remember even as a kid

872

:

watching this, but when I rewatched

it last night, I'm like, dude is

873

:

like 35 play a high school kid.

874

:

I mean, it's just like, that's just

a thing that happens also Yeah.

875

:

At this time, which is hilarious.

876

:

Zo: Right, right, right.

877

:

More, more trivia on, on the

ages of these so-called kids.

878

:

Katie: Oh God.

879

:

Yeah.

880

:

But he's like a grown ass man, you know?

881

:

Yeah,

882

:

Zo: absolutely.

883

:

And here's another thing that's kind

of funny is that, um, it always seems

884

:

to happen as well, like when you see

a movie that actually has teenagers,

885

:

it's, it's almost like a, a sea change.

886

:

It's like, oh, that's, that's what

kids are supposed to look like.

887

:

And when we were younger, we took them as

kids as like, they look like kids to us.

888

:

So that's kind of weird too.

889

:

Yeah, yeah.

890

:

Also, Michael, Jake Fox just

looked like a kid for a long time.

891

:

Katie: He, yes.

892

:

And he's really small in stature too, but

yeah, he has that like ever youthful face.

893

:

Yeah.

894

:

Zo: Yeah.

895

:

Absolutely.

896

:

Katie: Um, so the coach, one of my

favorite characters in this movie,

897

:

uh, coach Fin Stock, is played by Jay

Tarsus and he was in Open All Night,

898

:

the days and nights of Molly dod.

899

:

Um, and then he was the

creator of Buffalo Bill.

900

:

Is that, did I get that right?

901

:

Zo: Yeah, you're absolutely right.

902

:

So he actually created both

of those shows and Oh, okay.

903

:

All of these shows.

904

:

So there's a show called Open All Night

and a show called The Days and Nights

905

:

of Molly dod, and he's mainly a writer.

906

:

So he created these shows and he

created a show called Buffalo Bill.

907

:

And if he's not creating these

shows, then he's writing on shows.

908

:

So if you look at his IMDV,

it's mostly his writing credits.

909

:

Okay, cool.

910

:

All of that, that is, uh, put forward.

911

:

And he is written a, I believe he's

written a, a few movies or written

912

:

on a few movies that you might

be familiar with, but because I

913

:

wanted to focus on his, his acting

credits, I, I just put that there.

914

:

But yeah, he's, he was

so funny in this movie.

915

:

Right.

916

:

So one of the

917

:

Katie: highlights for me.

918

:

Yeah.

919

:

Coach.

920

:

I, he just doesn't give a FI don't

know if we can curse on here,

921

:

but Yeah, he just, it's awesome.

922

:

Zo: Yeah, we, we can curse in the

podcast, so if you have to let

923

:

your freak flag fly, I know that.

924

:

I'll try not to,

925

:

Katie: but I, I do.

926

:

Sometimes it just,

927

:

Zo: I don't, I don't do a lot

of, uh, profanity on the show,

928

:

but I will when it's appropriate.

929

:

Katie: Okay.

930

:

Zo: So, uh,

931

:

Katie: that's fair.

932

:

Um, so do we wanna talk

about the director now?

933

:

Zo: Yes, go ahead.

934

:

Katie: We, it's Rod Daniel, which didn't

sound familiar to me, but he also directed

935

:

Beethoven's second canine and the super.

936

:

I don't know what the super is, but,

so he ha he's kind of got a little,

937

:

uh, niche going on there, it seems.

938

:

Right.

939

:

Zo: So I recognize Beethoven second.

940

:

I don't know if he did the first one.

941

:

I'm familiar with Canine.

942

:

I may have watched it, but I'm not sure.

943

:

I know that there were

like two cop dog movies.

944

:

So there was canine and there was

Turner and Hooch, and there was

945

:

probably a couple of other ones.

946

:

Katie: Oh, turn Hooch was great.

947

:

I loved that.

948

:

Also, I really like the Dog Day Bordeaux.

949

:

I like a big dog, so.

950

:

Zo: Right, right, right.

951

:

So yeah, I get he, I guess

he has a thing of dogs.

952

:

Um, I think the Supers with Danny DeVito.

953

:

I can't remember.

954

:

Oh, oh, well that might be good.

955

:

I might be wrong.

956

:

both: Okay.

957

:

Yeah,

958

:

Zo: so I'm letting the

audience know right now.

959

:

Sometimes I'll put a, like a correction

on Facebook, or, no, not Facebook.

960

:

I'll put it on Twitter, because

I'm, I'm rarely on Facebook for some

961

:

reason, but I guess because it's

like, it's, it's just too many social

962

:

media, um, apps to keep up with.

963

:

It's so, it's like, yeah, but you gotta

964

:

Katie: pick and choose.

965

:

I'm fully with you.

966

:

You, it's like I don't have the

energy for one, let alone four.

967

:

Yeah.

968

:

Right.

969

:

Zo: Absolutely.

970

:

So I, yeah.

971

:

So sometimes I have to do that,

but, uh, I'm, I think that

972

:

it's one with Danny DeVito.

973

:

Katie: I love Danny DeVito,

so I might have to that out.

974

:

Zo: Yeah.

975

:

Yeah.

976

:

So this movie was written by Jeff Lowe.

977

:

I think it's Loeb or Lo, I'm not

sure if he pronounced the b and i I

978

:

should know because he is a famous

comic book writer and he's written

979

:

a bunch of, uh, comic related TV

shows and movies and animated series.

980

:

He's a big deal in the comic book space.

981

:

both: Oh.

982

:

And

983

:

Zo: also his writing

partner, Matthew Weisman.

984

:

So he takes on Weisman as a

partner whenever they do film.

985

:

So they've done, uh, commando

and Burglar together.

986

:

Cool.

987

:

But he's mostly known for

like his animated stuff.

988

:

Katie: I sadly, I'm not, I'm not a

comic book person, so I'm unfamiliar.

989

:

But, um, but that's cool.

990

:

Commando have definitely seen that.

991

:

Zo: Yes, yes, yes.

992

:

Uh, there was a, there was a podcast,

I was listen, listening to the other

993

:

day and they were talking about

their favorite movie deaths and they

994

:

mentioned Commando and I think they

mentioned this particular death.

995

:

But it's definitely my

favorite death in Commando.

996

:

It's the, the memory that I carry

with me throughout my entire life.

997

:

So this is, oh wow.

998

:

First lemme allow you to guess

which death I'm referring to.

999

:

Katie: I don't know.

:

00:42:51,745 --> 00:42:52,285

Zo: Okay.

:

00:42:52,884 --> 00:42:54,415

So there was a, oh, a guy named,

:

00:42:55,044 --> 00:42:57,174

Katie: oh, I thought you were

talking about from a different movie.

:

00:42:57,265 --> 00:42:57,839

Not Amanda.

:

00:42:58,075 --> 00:42:58,615

Amanda.

:

00:42:58,794 --> 00:43:00,084

No, nevermind.

:

00:43:00,084 --> 00:43:00,805

Okay, go on.

:

00:43:01,464 --> 00:43:03,865

Zo: So there is a, a, a hood named.

:

00:43:04,450 --> 00:43:05,020

Sully.

:

00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,910

So Sully was like joking about, they

basically, they're kidnapping Arnold

:

00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:13,390

Schwarzenegger commando and they're gonna

take him to the big boss or whatever.

:

00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:17,170

And then commando says, ha

ha Sully, you're so funny.

:

00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:19,120

That's why I'm going to kill you last.

:

00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:19,540

Right.

:

00:43:19,540 --> 00:43:22,450

So, and then they go on

and then Commandos, they

:

00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:23,530

were to escape or whatever.

:

00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,330

And remember they have

his daughter kidnapped.

:

00:43:25,330 --> 00:43:25,390

Yeah.

:

00:43:25,390 --> 00:43:26,920

And he's trying to figure

out where his daughter is.

:

00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:33,100

So it comes to pass that commander holds

Sully over a cliff by his leg with one

:

00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:37,390

arm and is, you know, shaking him down

for information where his daughter is.

:

00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,780

And then, you know, Sully gives

up everything, you know, his knees

:

00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:44,710

all frightened of course, because

he is hanging over a precipice.

:

00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:48,580

You know when, when Commander lets

go, he is, Sully is gonna die.

:

00:43:49,464 --> 00:43:53,964

So Commando asks you, Sully you remember

when I told you I would kill you last?

:

00:43:54,415 --> 00:43:54,865

Yeah.

:

00:43:55,075 --> 00:43:55,915

You had Matrix.

:

00:43:56,095 --> 00:43:57,055

Yeah, you did.

:

00:43:57,625 --> 00:43:58,584

Katie: I lied.

:

00:43:58,584 --> 00:43:59,455

And he let go.

:

00:43:59,544 --> 00:43:59,634

And

:

00:44:02,095 --> 00:44:03,294

I actually don't remember that.

:

00:44:03,294 --> 00:44:06,984

I, I, it's been a very long time

since I've seen that, but that does

:

00:44:06,984 --> 00:44:08,125

sound like a great death scene.

:

00:44:08,125 --> 00:44:11,604

And I can just picture Arnold like it's no

big thing for him just to hold a grown up.

:

00:44:11,604 --> 00:44:12,714

Right, right, right.

:

00:44:12,984 --> 00:44:13,194

Zo: Yeah.

:

00:44:13,194 --> 00:44:18,294

And then to put the cherry on the

cake, he gets back to the car and his

:

00:44:18,294 --> 00:44:22,435

co-star Ray Don Chong is in the car

and she asks What happened to Sully?

:

00:44:22,884 --> 00:44:25,104

And Arnold says, I let him go.

:

00:44:25,854 --> 00:44:26,125

Just,

:

00:44:28,464 --> 00:44:29,154

Katie: I like it.

:

00:44:29,395 --> 00:44:29,845

I like it.

:

00:44:29,845 --> 00:44:31,375

I actually, that's a good question.

:

00:44:31,375 --> 00:44:36,535

I haven't really put much thought

into the best, like death scenes.

:

00:44:36,834 --> 00:44:37,555

Zo: Yeah, yeah.

:

00:44:37,555 --> 00:44:40,915

That, that was a, a particularly good

episode of that particular podcast.

:

00:44:40,915 --> 00:44:41,305

I like it.

:

00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:45,234

If I can, uh, I guess, uh, I'll

look it up and I'll send you what

:

00:44:45,234 --> 00:44:46,854

I'm, the podcast I'm talking about.

:

00:44:46,854 --> 00:44:47,154

Okay, cool.

:

00:44:47,395 --> 00:44:48,084

Uh, offline.

:

00:44:48,084 --> 00:44:52,375

So anyways, uh, why don't you let us

know about the music on this show?

:

00:44:52,584 --> 00:44:53,089

The is great.

:

00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:53,450

Oh, wait, hold on.

:

00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:55,375

Is great on this, on this movie.

:

00:44:55,464 --> 00:44:59,995

Katie: I really, I I thought that

the music was very effective.

:

00:45:00,029 --> 00:45:01,194

It, it did its job.

:

00:45:01,194 --> 00:45:04,884

Well, it was by Miles Goodman,

who, you know, a little,

:

00:45:04,884 --> 00:45:06,444

little movie called La Bamba.

:

00:45:07,254 --> 00:45:12,654

He also did, uh, what about Bob Little

Shop of Horrors Blank Man And The Squeeze.

:

00:45:12,924 --> 00:45:14,484

So he has like a legit.

:

00:45:15,205 --> 00:45:19,464

Uh, resume here, the Miles

Goodman, and it shows.

:

00:45:19,584 --> 00:45:20,604

I thought the music was great.

:

00:45:20,604 --> 00:45:20,874

Yes,

:

00:45:20,879 --> 00:45:20,899

Zo: yes.

:

00:45:22,044 --> 00:45:25,254

What I liked about the music that he did

for the movie, that even though it was

:

00:45:25,254 --> 00:45:31,944

a comedy, he kind of leaned on the, the

tropes of the music used in horror movies,

:

00:45:31,944 --> 00:45:36,205

and then he kind of, and then yes, it

included the pop music also in this movie.

:

00:45:36,205 --> 00:45:38,035

So it, it, it worked out really well.

:

00:45:38,634 --> 00:45:41,845

And, uh, when you look at the,

the movies that he's worked on,

:

00:45:41,845 --> 00:45:43,075

you're, you're absolutely right.

:

00:45:43,075 --> 00:45:46,044

It's, I feel like he's a guy

who knows what he's doing.

:

00:45:46,044 --> 00:45:48,144

He's exceptional at his craft.

:

00:45:49,975 --> 00:45:50,664

Katie: Indeed, indeed.

:

00:45:52,134 --> 00:45:54,684

Zo: So, um, that's it

for the opening credits.

:

00:45:55,464 --> 00:45:58,615

And if you're enjoying the show, remember

that you can get t-shirts, hoodies,

:

00:45:58,615 --> 00:46:05,544

mugs, face masks, jerseys and more at

our website, back click cinema.com/shop.

:

00:46:06,384 --> 00:46:08,004

And, uh, I know what you's thinking.

:

00:46:08,814 --> 00:46:09,294

Yeah.

:

00:46:09,299 --> 00:46:12,805

And people are thinking, oh

yeah, you, you don't, you haven't

:

00:46:13,015 --> 00:46:14,694

put up a new design in a while.

:

00:46:14,785 --> 00:46:17,544

And to that, I say,

you're absolutely right.

:

00:46:17,964 --> 00:46:21,384

I'm going to get right

on it after Memorial Day.

:

00:46:23,274 --> 00:46:27,234

I say that every episode

or every other episode.

:

00:46:28,794 --> 00:46:29,515

Katie: I love it.

:

00:46:29,544 --> 00:46:31,254

It's, there's so much life.

:

00:46:31,254 --> 00:46:32,934

It's so, it's hard to keep up, man.

:

00:46:33,309 --> 00:46:34,464

Zo: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

00:46:34,854 --> 00:46:35,515

Relax folks.

:

00:46:36,669 --> 00:46:39,609

Uh, a single uh, worker on this podcast.

:

00:46:39,609 --> 00:46:42,640

I'm the main guy, so,

uh, I'm, I'm doing a lot.

:

00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,020

I'm doing the, I'm doing the work.

:

00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,490

I'm getting, I'm getting around to it.

:

00:46:45,580 --> 00:46:46,779

Uh, I promise.

:

00:46:47,485 --> 00:46:48,595

Sort of anyways.

:

00:46:51,025 --> 00:46:51,625

Katie: Oh dear.

:

00:46:52,135 --> 00:46:55,615

Uh, well, I, I'm, I'll have to

check it out and I'm, I will hold

:

00:46:55,615 --> 00:46:57,445

you to putting a new design up,

:

00:46:57,775 --> 00:46:58,165

Zo: soonish.

:

00:46:58,225 --> 00:46:58,730

Oh, thank you.

:

00:46:58,945 --> 00:46:59,635

Thank, thank you.

:

00:46:59,635 --> 00:47:02,515

I, I'll, I'll need, now I have

a reason to be accountable.

:

00:47:02,605 --> 00:47:02,815

music: Yes.

:

00:47:02,815 --> 00:47:04,885

Zo: So let me go ahead and play this ad.

:

00:47:04,885 --> 00:47:06,625

Hopefully I can press the right button.

:

00:47:06,625 --> 00:47:09,325

'cause I forgot where I put it at.

:

00:47:09,745 --> 00:47:11,365

Maybe it's this button.

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good, good, good, good, good.

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00:48:22,089 --> 00:48:25,984

Yes, folks, go out and get

you some Noca Cola if you can.

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Most folks, I know you're not familiar

with video games, but that is a product

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from a very popular video game series

and so not, not much chance that

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you're gonna find it in the real world.

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Although I have heard of this

recipe book where you can make

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your own version of new Co cola.

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00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,009

Oh, that sounds dangerous

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00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:46,060

both: actually.

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Yeah.

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Zo: Some exotic ingredients

that go into New Cola.

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Katie: I love it.

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So I like the accent on that guy too.

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Like a very specific

place in England, maybe.

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I don't know.

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00:49:00,370 --> 00:49:01,029

Yeah, maybe.

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00:49:01,404 --> 00:49:03,189

Zo: I, I looked at a lot of Dr.

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Who back when I was growing up,

so that's my best English accent.

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Katie: I like it.

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00:49:10,329 --> 00:49:10,360

I like it.

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00:49:10,629 --> 00:49:12,039

That's pretty good actually.

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Um, I feel like I've seen movies

of like a specific town or region.

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Yeah, I like it.

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Nice.

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Nicely done.

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Zo: Right.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate that.

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So we're at the opening, oh

no, not the opening credits.

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We're at our favorite parts.

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We're gonna talk about our favorite parts.

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00:49:28,779 --> 00:49:31,120

I've only been doing this for

this podcast for a little while.

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00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:34,569

You would think that I

know what my segments are.

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00:49:34,569 --> 00:49:34,870

Yeah.

:

00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:35,229

Over a

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00:49:35,229 --> 00:49:36,249

Katie: hundred, right?

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00:49:36,249 --> 00:49:37,845

You're over a hundred

episodes, is that right?

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00:49:37,845 --> 00:49:38,180

Yeah, over a

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Zo: hundred episodes.

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00:49:38,890 --> 00:49:40,269

This is a hundred 19th episode.

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00:49:40,569 --> 00:49:40,720

Awesome.

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00:49:40,944 --> 00:49:45,459

And, and, um, what you call it,

the, I have the segment written

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00:49:45,459 --> 00:49:49,180

right in front of me in big blue

letters and yet I'll mess it up.

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So anyways, we are at our favorite parts.

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Katie, why don't you do us the honor

of letting us know what one of your

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favorite parts of Teen Wolf is?

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00:49:57,370 --> 00:50:00,069

Katie: It's hard to select like

a favorite part, but I gotta

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00:50:00,069 --> 00:50:01,924

say rewatching it, which we're

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00:50:01,924 --> 00:50:02,805

Zo: doing multiple favorite parts.

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00:50:02,874 --> 00:50:03,164

Okay.

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Katie: Okay.

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Good.

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Uh, well, one, um, is the party and

styles acting as like the Mc, like the

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00:50:10,809 --> 00:50:17,829

party games, you know, like, uh, it just

made Teenage life high school in the

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00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:20,589

eighties look like the raddest time ever.

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I loved the party scene.

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That was one of my favorite parts.

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Right?

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Zo: Yes.

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I rarely do I go to a

party that is like that.

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I don't, it's like a staple of like teen

dramas to have such a scene and I've

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rarely been to like a party like that.

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00:50:36,609 --> 00:50:40,420

Uh, and then if I do go to a party

like that, I'm the wall flower.

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I'm not,

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Katie: it.

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Well, I actually thought it

looked somewhat realistic.

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Like I think they did a good job of just

like the pe how the people were acting,

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how crowded it was, everybody, you know?

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Um Right, right, right.

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But you know, the thing that

wouldn't go today is like

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the forced sexual situations.

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Like the games were very

like Right, right, right.

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00:51:01,195 --> 00:51:04,060

Forced, forced sexual things, which I

don't think that would be in a movie

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00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:06,190

now, but it seemed to be some enough.

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00:51:06,190 --> 00:51:06,520

Yeah, it wouldn't

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00:51:06,865 --> 00:51:07,569

Zo: be right.

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00:51:07,569 --> 00:51:11,980

It wouldn't be in a movie now, but, uh, I

think that those were the type of things

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that were happening back then, right?

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00:51:16,210 --> 00:51:16,480

Yes.

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00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,440

So, uh, and it's kind of like a, an

advanced version of Spin the Bottle.

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Katie: Yeah, exactly.

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Which I hear very

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Zo: popular back in the day.

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Back

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Katie: like, yeah.

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I mm-hmm.

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Uh, also the, uh, tangentially

related to the party is them trying

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00:51:30,310 --> 00:51:34,810

to get beer, like pe underage kids

trying to get beer for the party.

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I thought that was fun too.

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00:51:36,370 --> 00:51:36,819

Zo: Yes.

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That, that was so cool that that's such

a also another nice, a well done trope

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from their perspective, especially

when they kind of flipped it with,

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uh, when Marty went to get the wolf.

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And that's also one of my favorite

parts to segue into that with, um, okay.

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00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:56,740

Because I so remember that that's

one of the, the most impactful

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00:51:56,740 --> 00:51:58,029

moments for me from this movie.

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00:51:58,299 --> 00:52:04,299

So it's one of, uh, when he's going

into, like, when he's talking to

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00:52:04,299 --> 00:52:08,319

Styles Style says, why don't you

take this whatchamacallit, this fake

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00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:12,189

gun, and try to pretend like you're

gonna rob the store of its beer and

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00:52:12,189 --> 00:52:14,259

then pay for it so it's not stealing.

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00:52:15,129 --> 00:52:20,499

And, and then, uh, you know, um, Michael

j Fox's character's like, you know,

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00:52:20,499 --> 00:52:22,209

I'm just gonna go and ask him for beer.

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00:52:22,209 --> 00:52:22,479

Right?

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00:52:22,479 --> 00:52:25,450

He's, he's just gonna, it is

very naive to think that he

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could just ask to do for beer.

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And the funny thing is

about like, um, Michael J.

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00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:35,740

Fox is in his twenties, so he, he's

actually old enough, but because of

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00:52:35,740 --> 00:52:39,850

the way carding works, just because

you, even if you look like you're old

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00:52:39,850 --> 00:52:41,109

enough, you still have to be carded.

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So he still asked to present a

card, so it doesn't matter what

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00:52:44,439 --> 00:52:45,144

he looks like, but he doesn't be,

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00:52:45,144 --> 00:52:47,160

Katie: like, as to your

point earlier, Michael J.

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Fox really could pass

as a high school kid,

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00:52:49,930 --> 00:52:50,140

music: right?

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00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:51,669

So he looked, he definitely could, styles

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00:52:51,669 --> 00:52:54,700

Katie: was probably like

late twenties or something.

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00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:58,089

So like styles, if anything could

possibly, 'cause I don't know how.

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00:52:58,629 --> 00:53:03,249

So this little liquor store owner was

very strict about carding, but I don't

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00:53:03,249 --> 00:53:04,749

know if that was really, I don't know.

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00:53:04,749 --> 00:53:10,149

I can, in:

strict a lot of places were, but,

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00:53:10,209 --> 00:53:14,799

but yeah, the cherry on top was, he

scares, he turns sort of wolf like

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00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:16,180

with his eyes turning red, right?

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00:53:16,569 --> 00:53:18,519

And scares the shit out

of the shop owner, right?

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00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:19,959

He's like, okay, here you go.

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00:53:20,890 --> 00:53:21,819

Zo: What I really liked.

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What I really liked about it is

that even at the very beginning

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of the movie, they're, they're

showing, he's showing signs of,

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00:53:28,645 --> 00:53:30,384

uh, I meant to look up this word.

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00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:31,465

Like, like camp.

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00:53:31,945 --> 00:53:32,995

Like Camp Ropy.

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00:53:33,055 --> 00:53:34,134

Nope, that's not how you say it.

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He's showing, oh, he's showing signs

of werewolf ness, long hair on his, his

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00:53:40,595 --> 00:53:41,845

Katie: chest and stuff like that.

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00:53:41,845 --> 00:53:42,490

Yeah, the, the

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00:53:42,490 --> 00:53:47,365

Zo: hair on his chest, but not, and he's,

uh, he's growling, uh, in a, you know,

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00:53:47,425 --> 00:53:50,035

it just kind of comes out out of nowhere.

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00:53:50,215 --> 00:53:53,275

It's, it's almost like a,

a weird form of puberty.

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So he goes into the liquor store

and, um, and then his eyes start to

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00:53:57,535 --> 00:54:03,805

glow, and then you hear his growl

and he says, I want a gig of beer.

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And then the guy gets scared and

gives some beer, and then he.

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Then he picks up this like bag of Skittles

or whatever it is, and he says, oh

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00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:14,680

Katie: yeah, some candy or

donuts or something snowballs.

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00:54:14,685 --> 00:54:15,549

Zo: Right, right.

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00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,959

And these in his regular voice trying to

be the same amount of threatening, right?

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Katie: Yes.

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And, and then the, we cut to styles in

his convertible car with the passenger as

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00:54:27,370 --> 00:54:32,049

the keg of like, the keg of beer is just

like out, and then they show up to the

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party 'cause they think they really need

this keg of beer for the party, or there's

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not gonna be any fun times at the party.

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And then there's like a whole stack,

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Zo: right.

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Ke Right, right.

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00:54:41,379 --> 00:54:44,680

That was a grace aversion because

styles really thought he, that he

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00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,419

was doing a dude, like he was, he

was the main guy bringing the keg.

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And it's like the party

doesn't happen without him.

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Mm-hmm.

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And as it turns out, he's

just a cog in the machine.

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00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:55,810

Indeed.

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00:54:55,814 --> 00:54:56,225

He's just one.

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00:54:57,009 --> 00:54:58,330

He's not that special.

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I also like the, the opening credit.

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So, um, there was, it was

leaning on the will war drama.

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00:55:07,479 --> 00:55:10,990

Like if you didn't see any of the

trailers going into this movie,

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you thought you was going to watch

like a legitimate horror movie.

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Like it started, it starts

dark, uh, starts off dark.

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It has like a, a black background

with white texts, like as you're

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going through the credits.

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And then the first scene is

like the glowing light and

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everything else is kind of blurry.

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I was like, oh, that's, that,

that's pretty good opening.

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And, and then you see Marty's face and

then, and then you realize it's, it's not.

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00:55:35,065 --> 00:55:38,785

Which it's not gonna be a, a serious

horror movie, you know, after,

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it's like you think that maybe he's

confronting something, but he's

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just playing a game of basketball.

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Katie: That's true.

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That that is a good opening.

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Um, the basketball, oh my God, I just

found it on that line of thinking.

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I found the basketball hilarious.

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So they're, the team is super bad.

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00:55:56,484 --> 00:55:57,484

Like Michael J.

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Fox as a bas like if he's on the

basketball team, and then Chubbs like,

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00:56:02,245 --> 00:56:08,694

uh, who also is like a grown ass man

playing a high school kid, but just this,

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00:56:08,904 --> 00:56:10,705

he's like eating while they're playing.

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00:56:10,705 --> 00:56:12,205

The coach is trying to forfeit.

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00:56:12,205 --> 00:56:13,765

He doesn't, it's hilarious.

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I just found it hilarious.

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00:56:15,025 --> 00:56:15,895

I liked Right, right, right.

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00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:21,504

Zo: It's like the coaches, Jay Tarsus,

uh, playing coach Flock is awesome Views.

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00:56:21,775 --> 00:56:22,674

He like, why are we doing this?

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00:56:22,674 --> 00:56:23,665

Why are we playing this anyway?

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00:56:23,754 --> 00:56:27,415

Why, why don't we just forfeit we,

it's already a for con conclusion.

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00:56:27,415 --> 00:56:31,254

It's like they were losing, it was like

27 to seven or something like that.

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00:56:31,254 --> 00:56:31,525

It was

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00:56:31,525 --> 00:56:33,565

Katie: like, and then the other coach

is like, no, we're not forfeiting.

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00:56:33,565 --> 00:56:34,944

My guys have to get their records.

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00:56:34,944 --> 00:56:35,605

You know the score.

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00:56:35,605 --> 00:56:36,535

Right, right, right.

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00:56:36,895 --> 00:56:37,194

Who was like,

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00:56:38,845 --> 00:56:40,105

Zo: yeah, like, come on coach.

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00:56:40,109 --> 00:56:41,694

It's like, you know,

this isn't a real game.

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00:56:41,694 --> 00:56:42,325

What are you doing?

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00:56:44,665 --> 00:56:46,705

Katie: Oh, the basketball was funny.

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00:56:47,185 --> 00:56:47,455

Yeah.

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00:56:47,455 --> 00:56:51,115

And Mick, who plays on the other

team, like, again, like the, they

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00:56:51,115 --> 00:56:54,805

do even actually kind of address

the fact that he's older by saying,

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00:56:55,345 --> 00:56:56,964

um, he's like 20 in the movie.

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00:56:56,964 --> 00:57:01,045

They say he's, uh, so like 20

because he had to take a timeout

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00:57:01,045 --> 00:57:02,455

to go to prison or something.

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00:57:02,815 --> 00:57:04,525

Oh, I, I, I missed that part.

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00:57:05,709 --> 00:57:09,399

Um, but the basketball, the

coach, the coach is one of my

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favorite parts as his style.

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00:57:11,169 --> 00:57:16,720

So those two characters, the coach, he,

he's just, he's eating, he, the way he

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00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:25,720

smacks his gum, the way that, um, Marty,

not Marty, um, Scotty comes to him with a

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00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:31,479

real problem and he's just not, not trying

to be helpful at all with his stories.

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00:57:31,479 --> 00:57:35,410

And then they do end up getting to

the championship at the end because

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00:57:36,009 --> 00:57:40,809

spoiler alert, uh, the Wolf is awesome

at things and, right, right, right.

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00:57:40,809 --> 00:57:45,700

But then he's, uh, he says at

some point the coach is like,

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00:57:47,169 --> 00:57:48,640

it's not how you play the game.

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00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,140

It's whether you win or lose.

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00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:50,499

Yeah.

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00:57:50,589 --> 00:57:50,649

Yeah.

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00:57:53,229 --> 00:57:57,339

So I quite enjoyed the coach and

then Styles and his style, like

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00:57:57,339 --> 00:57:59,680

his outfits were great and Right.

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00:58:00,069 --> 00:58:02,709

Just the character, those two

characters were a high point for.

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00:58:03,850 --> 00:58:07,720

Zo: I definitely want to talk

about styles as outfits later on.

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00:58:07,855 --> 00:58:10,120

Uh, uh, they, they were hilarious.

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00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:14,800

And then, uh, as far as the coach goes,

uh, I liked how like the first meeting

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00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,759

between Marty and the coach is like,

'cause he, Marty wants to tell the coach,

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00:58:18,850 --> 00:58:20,259

uh, that he wants to quit the team.

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00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,990

And because Marty, yeah, well it's

already a bad team, but Marty is one

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00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:27,520

of the best players on the team team.

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00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,029

He's a first stringer, but he's like

also one of the shortest members.

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00:58:31,029 --> 00:58:33,190

So he's really good

and he is really short.

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00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:37,690

And I really like how the, uh,

Fox basically plays against type,

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00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:41,350

like in family ties is like, you

never mistake him for an athlete.

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00:58:41,350 --> 00:58:43,840

He's really good point business minded.

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He's a straight A student.

:

00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:47,950

And in this movie he's

kind of the opposite.

:

00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:51,640

Like he's still a good student,

but at the same time he's athletic.

:

00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,800

And, uh, he is like, he wants to

be, he wants to be like Michael,

:

00:58:56,890 --> 00:58:59,259

Michael p Keaton in Family Ties,

:

00:59:01,870 --> 00:59:02,650

but he's not.

:

00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,200

But it was, uh, so I love the

way that that part was played.

:

00:59:08,740 --> 00:59:13,570

But um, so in the first meeting,

the coach is like, uh, yeah, come on

:

00:59:13,570 --> 00:59:16,840

in my me CASA's two Casa, just come

on in, tell me all your problems.

:

00:59:17,050 --> 00:59:21,130

And then as soon as Scotty starts

to saying things like, you know, you

:

00:59:21,130 --> 00:59:24,520

know, I'm kind of a busy man, I don't

know if I could, you know, talk to

:

00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:25,810

you about all of this stuff, you know?

:

00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:27,190

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:29,140

He's, he ha he has zero.

:

00:59:30,220 --> 00:59:34,720

Fs to give, but he's just, so, the way

the coach plays it is brilliant too.

:

00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,700

He's, it's just, he's very cash.

:

00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,980

Um, and he, you know, he's, he says

all the words like, in the wrong way.

:

00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:42,580

Uh, yeah.

:

00:59:42,580 --> 00:59:42,940

I don't know.

:

00:59:43,509 --> 00:59:45,790

It's a great, the coach is great.

:

00:59:46,450 --> 00:59:47,080

Zo: Yeah.

:

00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,440

His philosophy is, is totally,

uh, it's totally out there.

:

00:59:52,629 --> 00:59:55,240

So what's one of your other favorite

parts that you can think of?

:

00:59:55,509 --> 01:00:01,615

Katie: Yeah, I do really kind of, um, I

guess iconic for the movie is the, the

:

01:00:01,690 --> 01:00:05,049

van Surfing with the Beach Boys song.

:

01:00:05,379 --> 01:00:05,859

Great.

:

01:00:05,865 --> 01:00:06,160

Right.

:

01:00:06,279 --> 01:00:07,240

So fun.

:

01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:08,535

What did you think about that?

:

01:00:08,535 --> 01:00:08,815

I think they called

:

01:00:08,815 --> 01:00:09,455

Zo: it the Bookmobile

:

01:00:10,180 --> 01:00:12,790

Katie: Later He Styles

later gets a different van.

:

01:00:12,790 --> 01:00:15,759

'cause originally they're on

like the hardware store van.

:

01:00:15,944 --> 01:00:16,295

Right,

:

01:00:16,305 --> 01:00:17,290

Zo: right, right, right.

:

01:00:17,290 --> 01:00:17,350

The

:

01:00:17,350 --> 01:00:19,390

Katie: Howards have a, a,

:

01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:20,770

Zo: a work van.

:

01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:21,339

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:00:21,549 --> 01:00:23,920

Um, the dad owns a hardware store.

:

01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:24,220

Yeah.

:

01:00:24,279 --> 01:00:24,895

So Right, right.

:

01:00:24,899 --> 01:00:28,660

But then later in the movie Styles

trades his, whatever his convertible car

:

01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:31,690

is for this Wolf mobile van and Right.

:

01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:37,029

There's a few different, um, surfing

on the top of a van scene, which

:

01:00:37,029 --> 01:00:39,310

I didn't know was a thing, but I

thought that was the coolest thing

:

01:00:39,310 --> 01:00:40,660

ever when I was a kid watching this.

:

01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:43,299

Zo: Right, right, right.

:

01:00:43,299 --> 01:00:43,690

Yeah.

:

01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:46,615

So in the first scene, it's,

uh, styles is doing it.

:

01:00:46,615 --> 01:00:46,975

Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:47,230 --> 01:00:53,170

And it's one of the funny parts is

like when um, you have Scotty driving

:

01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:56,230

the van, Scott's on top of the van,

you're like doing a surfing thing.

:

01:00:56,589 --> 01:00:57,190

And then.

:

01:00:57,805 --> 01:01:01,855

While Scotty is driving, he notices

that his ears are going really sharp.

:

01:01:01,855 --> 01:01:05,305

Like he's getting pointy ears

and he's, what's going on?

:

01:01:05,305 --> 01:01:07,645

He's trying to drive to figure out

where these pointy ears are coming from.

:

01:01:08,305 --> 01:01:11,335

And he's jerking a van around, uh,

around giving styles a hard time

:

01:01:11,335 --> 01:01:12,174

staying on the top of the van.

:

01:01:14,430 --> 01:01:14,720

Yeah.

:

01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:15,640

Katie: Good times.

:

01:01:15,779 --> 01:01:16,525

So that was really

:

01:01:16,525 --> 01:01:16,944

Zo: funny.

:

01:01:18,444 --> 01:01:20,605

Katie: Um, what about, what do you

have, did we not cover any of the

:

01:01:20,605 --> 01:01:23,335

other, uh, some of your favorite,

like do you have any other high points

:

01:01:24,504 --> 01:01:24,625

Zo: for you?

:

01:01:24,625 --> 01:01:29,395

Well, let's, let's talk about

the best moment in the movie,

:

01:01:29,545 --> 01:01:31,795

so at least was for me.

:

01:01:31,884 --> 01:01:32,305

both: Okay.

:

01:01:32,335 --> 01:01:37,884

Zo: So this is when, um, it's

a full moon and Scotty's fully

:

01:01:37,884 --> 01:01:38,815

transforming to werewolf.

:

01:01:38,815 --> 01:01:41,154

If he goes into the bathroom, he

locks himself into the bathroom

:

01:01:41,634 --> 01:01:44,575

and he's trying to stop the

change, but it is not stopping.

:

01:01:44,904 --> 01:01:48,685

And it's like he's got these

weird fingernails, these hairs

:

01:01:48,685 --> 01:01:49,825

growing all over the place.

:

01:01:50,335 --> 01:01:51,745

His ears are elongated.

:

01:01:51,745 --> 01:01:56,964

His, his whole facial structures changing

and he's screaming and then his dad comes

:

01:01:56,964 --> 01:02:00,805

and he is like, Scott, whatever you're

going through, we could talk about it.

:

01:02:00,805 --> 01:02:00,895

He's

:

01:02:00,895 --> 01:02:04,525

Katie: like, no, dad, no, there's

nothing, we can't talk about this.

:

01:02:04,645 --> 01:02:05,335

I'm pretty sure.

:

01:02:05,335 --> 01:02:08,084

No, that right Michael G.

:

01:02:08,085 --> 01:02:13,555

Fox does a brilliant job reacting

to like, yes, what is happening?

:

01:02:13,555 --> 01:02:16,855

And, and then the door

opens and it's right.

:

01:02:16,915 --> 01:02:17,875

Are you gonna get Right?

:

01:02:17,875 --> 01:02:18,174

Right.

:

01:02:18,174 --> 01:02:21,355

Zo: Because it's like, then he does the

thing, the father does the thing like,

:

01:02:21,355 --> 01:02:23,634

you open this door right now, it's like.

:

01:02:24,774 --> 01:02:26,245

You open it right now, Mr.

:

01:02:26,875 --> 01:02:31,884

And so he's like, okay, dad, I, all

right, I'm more, you asked for it.

:

01:02:32,035 --> 01:02:32,214

Right?

:

01:02:32,605 --> 01:02:36,955

And he opens the door and his father

is fully transformed to a werewolf.

:

01:02:38,125 --> 01:02:39,205

And that was so awesome.

:

01:02:39,205 --> 01:02:42,595

That was one of the most unexpected

moments in all of movies.

:

01:02:42,595 --> 01:02:44,424

That was so awesome to see that.

:

01:02:44,665 --> 01:02:45,805

Katie: That's a really good point.

:

01:02:45,805 --> 01:02:49,345

It was a, um, it really is one

of the best parts of that, one of

:

01:02:49,345 --> 01:02:50,455

the greatest scenes of that movie.

:

01:02:50,484 --> 01:02:53,964

My, what I love is that the

dad, so now it's like, okay.

:

01:02:53,964 --> 01:02:54,924

The whole family.

:

01:02:55,044 --> 01:02:58,285

So then they have a discussion about, oh,

I was hoping it would skip a generation.

:

01:02:58,555 --> 01:03:00,234

But the dad wolfed out.

:

01:03:00,564 --> 01:03:01,645

Is he?

:

01:03:01,645 --> 01:03:02,785

He's he's all gray.

:

01:03:03,089 --> 01:03:03,625

music: Right, right.

:

01:03:03,625 --> 01:03:04,375

Which I thought was

:

01:03:04,435 --> 01:03:08,575

Katie: hilarious because the dad is

actually probably like, not even 40 yet.

:

01:03:08,935 --> 01:03:09,595

Like he's Yeah.

:

01:03:09,595 --> 01:03:10,285

You know what I mean?

:

01:03:10,375 --> 01:03:11,964

I'm like, he's not actually old.

:

01:03:12,355 --> 01:03:12,834

Zo: Right.

:

01:03:13,794 --> 01:03:17,935

I think his, his fur is gray because

his regular hair is like brown.

:

01:03:18,024 --> 01:03:18,564

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:03:18,654 --> 01:03:21,865

Zo: So I think it's just that when he

wolfs out, it comes out as gray, gray.

:

01:03:21,924 --> 01:03:23,064

But he, I guess I took it

:

01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,584

Katie: as he's older, so,

but you're probably right.

:

01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:25,640

Right.

:

01:03:25,645 --> 01:03:26,754

He's just a different color.

:

01:03:27,145 --> 01:03:27,504

Zo: Right.

:

01:03:27,504 --> 01:03:31,524

A wolf like his rose and the

Right, and the other thing is,

:

01:03:31,524 --> 01:03:32,634

you know, he had his glasses on.

:

01:03:32,634 --> 01:03:33,535

He's all calm.

:

01:03:33,924 --> 01:03:39,084

And, and Scotty is like, you, you knew

about this, you knew about this the

:

01:03:39,084 --> 01:03:41,845

whole time and you didn't tell me.

:

01:03:43,524 --> 01:03:46,855

And that's when the father mentions that,

you know, maybe it'll skip a generation.

:

01:03:46,884 --> 01:03:47,185

Right.

:

01:03:47,634 --> 01:03:48,325

So yeah.

:

01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,840

Katie: And then to your point about him

being calm and that this is just, it's

:

01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:59,830

really a high school movie with like

the layer on top of the werewolf thing.

:

01:03:59,830 --> 01:03:59,890

Yeah.

:

01:03:59,890 --> 01:04:04,720

And that, that's not even really,

it's really like the family dynamics.

:

01:04:04,780 --> 01:04:07,720

So Scott's like, I don't

wanna talk about this dad.

:

01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:09,970

And so the dad just is like, okay then.

:

01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,330

And calmly walks downstairs

like, no big deal.

:

01:04:13,330 --> 01:04:14,500

We're just werewolves.

:

01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:15,310

It's just a thing.

:

01:04:15,310 --> 01:04:15,550

Right.

:

01:04:16,210 --> 01:04:19,300

Zo: Well, I think the other thing

is that this is something that

:

01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:20,800

his father had to go through.

:

01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:23,140

Like he had to go through

the exact same thing.

:

01:04:23,140 --> 01:04:26,980

So he understands everything

Scott is experiencing right now.

:

01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:27,250

Mm-hmm.

:

01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:31,210

So he probably had the same reaction

to his father or his mother when

:

01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:33,250

he first wolfed out or whatever.

:

01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:36,010

And maybe they told him what

was gonna happen and maybe

:

01:04:36,010 --> 01:04:37,120

his parents didn't tell him.

:

01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,750

Maybe they withheld the same reason

he held, withheld it from his son.

:

01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:41,260

So, yeah.

:

01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:43,120

It's, or maybe his parents didn't get it.

:

01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,190

Maybe it was something

from his, uh, grandfather.

:

01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:45,400

Yeah.

:

01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:45,410

Mm-hmm.

:

01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,540

And his parents came out normal, or his

grandmother, which is why he mentioned

:

01:04:49,540 --> 01:04:51,220

that sometimes it skips the generation.

:

01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:52,150

Yeah.

:

01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:53,680

And uh, he said, but it didn't skip you.

:

01:04:53,860 --> 01:04:54,070

Right.

:

01:04:54,220 --> 01:04:54,430

He's like,

:

01:04:55,165 --> 01:04:56,980

Katie: guess not now.

:

01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,360

What happened to the mom?

:

01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:58,930

I did.

:

01:04:58,930 --> 01:04:59,560

I miss it.

:

01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,470

Do they ever say, so she's passed away.

:

01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:03,154

Right, right.

:

01:05:03,175 --> 01:05:05,035

But they don't go beyond that.

:

01:05:05,035 --> 01:05:05,275

Right.

:

01:05:05,275 --> 01:05:05,410

They don't

:

01:05:05,410 --> 01:05:06,820

Zo: actually mention why.

:

01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:07,420

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:05:07,660 --> 01:05:07,840

She's

:

01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:08,650

Zo: not in the picture.

:

01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:09,010

Yeah.

:

01:05:09,010 --> 01:05:11,605

So it's assumed that

she's passed away or it's.

:

01:05:12,460 --> 01:05:15,880

You get the more of a feeling that they

pass away, then they get a divorce.

:

01:05:16,060 --> 01:05:16,210

Yeah.

:

01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:20,140

Because normally in a, in a divorce,

the mother tends to keep the child.

:

01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:20,529

both: Yeah.

:

01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,620

Zo: And the other thing is that he's,

I think there's a picture of the

:

01:05:23,620 --> 01:05:26,710

whole family together, or maybe it's

just a picture of him and his father.

:

01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,710

I'm not exactly certain, but they

never address it in the movie.

:

01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:30,100

both: Yeah.

:

01:05:30,130 --> 01:05:33,670

Zo: But in like the backstory, I

think they mentioned in, in the trivia

:

01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,759

what happened to, uh, his mother.

:

01:05:36,785 --> 01:05:37,245

both: Oh, okay.

:

01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:37,690

Oh, the

:

01:05:37,690 --> 01:05:42,069

Zo: other thing I just thought of this,

remember, uh, when I mentioned that maybe

:

01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,860

it skipped his, like his grandparents?

:

01:05:44,865 --> 01:05:44,964

Mm-hmm.

:

01:05:45,045 --> 01:05:51,640

Like, so, uh, his, his great-grandparents

have had it, his grandparents didn't

:

01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:52,990

have it, and then his father had it.

:

01:05:52,990 --> 01:05:55,900

So his father assumed that

maybe Scott wouldn't have it.

:

01:05:56,110 --> 01:05:56,259

Right.

:

01:05:56,259 --> 01:05:58,720

So he didn't, he wouldn't

have to explain everything.

:

01:05:58,870 --> 01:06:03,549

And somehow, well, I think maybe

by the time, you know, like you're

:

01:06:03,549 --> 01:06:09,670

an older wolf, you can, you can

more control how you transform.

:

01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:13,210

Or maybe he's just never around

when there a scot when there's a

:

01:06:13,210 --> 01:06:15,400

full moon, maybe that's it because

:

01:06:16,420 --> 01:06:21,730

Katie: well, or it, or it only comes

out like, uh, I guess he's already

:

01:06:21,730 --> 01:06:25,779

gone through puberty, but it must be

like the wolf part only comes out at a

:

01:06:25,779 --> 01:06:29,200

certain point in your life, you know?

:

01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:30,310

Zo: Yeah, yeah.

:

01:06:30,310 --> 01:06:30,370

Yeah.

:

01:06:30,370 --> 01:06:35,799

I, I guess, but, um, I, I, but

that, I think that that's why.

:

01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:41,079

It's never like, uh, they're able

to hide it better from Scott because

:

01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:42,519

his grandparents weren't werewolf.

:

01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:45,009

I'm, I'm guessing, I don't know if

his grandparents were werewolf or not.

:

01:06:45,015 --> 01:06:45,305

music: Yeah.

:

01:06:45,404 --> 01:06:48,700

Zo: But yeah, they're better, they're

better able to hide it from Scott

:

01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:51,609

because his grandparents weren't

werewolf, but his father is, and his

:

01:06:51,609 --> 01:06:52,990

father knows how to hide it better.

:

01:06:53,288 --> 01:06:57,399

And then, and, but now he's a werewolf

and, and now he's all excited.

:

01:06:57,759 --> 01:07:00,339

But, uh, and, and rightfully so.

:

01:07:01,479 --> 01:07:05,140

Katie: Well, and he, to your point

about he's, it probably takes time and

:

01:07:05,140 --> 01:07:07,990

maturity to figure out how to control it.

:

01:07:08,439 --> 01:07:08,769

Right.

:

01:07:08,769 --> 01:07:15,849

And so then the dad says, um, with great,

so somehow this werewolf, this makes

:

01:07:15,849 --> 01:07:17,680

you like an amazing basketball player.

:

01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:18,910

It makes you really popular.

:

01:07:18,910 --> 01:07:21,069

Like makes you attractive somehow.

:

01:07:21,939 --> 01:07:21,950

music: Um,

:

01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:25,029

Katie: so now he's like the man

on big man on campus, but the dad

:

01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:29,620

tells him with great, uh, power

comes great responsibility, which I

:

01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:30,970

did take note of when I heard that.

:

01:07:30,970 --> 01:07:35,259

I'm like, oh, that's an interesting,

like, famous line that I wouldn't

:

01:07:35,259 --> 01:07:36,640

have expected in Teen Wolf.

:

01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:37,870

Zo: Right, right.

:

01:07:38,019 --> 01:07:42,220

And that comes from Jeff Lowe because

he's, like I said, it's comic book writer.

:

01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:42,279

Yeah.

:

01:07:42,279 --> 01:07:44,140

So he basically got that from Spider-Man.

:

01:07:44,229 --> 01:07:44,649

Good call.

:

01:07:44,649 --> 01:07:50,559

So this and this movie Ki is kind of

analogous to superhero movies like

:

01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:55,599

Spider-Man, where it's a teenager

becoming a hero, but obviously

:

01:07:55,809 --> 01:07:57,729

the teen Wolf is not a superhero.

:

01:07:57,729 --> 01:08:00,399

And it's funny because they call

him Teen Wolf throughout the film

:

01:08:00,399 --> 01:08:04,089

when he's all in his wolf persona

and he doesn't want to, uh.

:

01:08:05,529 --> 01:08:07,000

Come out as, it's funny, right?

:

01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:12,279

Because it has a scene with styles,

they're in a garage and Scott wants

:

01:08:12,279 --> 01:08:17,319

to tell styles about what he's learned

about himself and styles like, are

:

01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:18,460

you gonna tell me that you're gay?

:

01:08:18,460 --> 01:08:21,100

Because if you tell me that I'm not,

I don't know if I can handle that.

:

01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:22,180

I took note of

:

01:08:22,180 --> 01:08:23,050

Katie: that scene too.

:

01:08:23,050 --> 01:08:25,479

Well, he doesn't even, he uses the F word.

:

01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:25,930

Right?

:

01:08:25,930 --> 01:08:26,270

Right, right.

:

01:08:26,270 --> 01:08:30,340

Like very casually, like that's a Right,

an acceptable thing to say in:

:

01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:31,149

Zo: Right.

:

01:08:31,210 --> 01:08:35,740

And that's because it was, uh,

people didn't care about certain

:

01:08:35,740 --> 01:08:37,960

modularized groups back in those days.

:

01:08:38,290 --> 01:08:42,250

And so now that we're more informed and

when you know better, you do better.

:

01:08:42,250 --> 01:08:46,870

So obviously it probably wouldn't play out

exactly the same way if they remade it.

:

01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:48,520

Well, they did remake it,

but I didn't watch it.

:

01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:49,090

Yeah.

:

01:08:49,755 --> 01:08:50,045

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:08:50,050 --> 01:08:54,068

I took note of that too, because

the way styles reacts is that

:

01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:58,809

apparently to styles his friend being

gay is like the worst thing ever.

:

01:08:58,809 --> 01:09:02,620

Like, so he's like

relieved when he finds out.

:

01:09:02,620 --> 01:09:04,750

The secret he has is that he's werewolf.

:

01:09:05,649 --> 01:09:06,380

Zo: Right, right, right.

:

01:09:06,729 --> 01:09:08,290

Katie: So interesting.

:

01:09:09,190 --> 01:09:12,340

Zo: Maybe not the worst thing, but he says

he wouldn't know how to handle it because

:

01:09:12,340 --> 01:09:16,750

this is like, it would be, it'd definitely

be a sea change in their relationship.

:

01:09:16,750 --> 01:09:16,809

Yeah.

:

01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:22,330

And style's persona re uh, depends

on him being the most popular person.

:

01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:22,450

Mm-hmm.

:

01:09:22,690 --> 01:09:26,170

So he's concerned, like, I

don't think that he would cut

:

01:09:26,170 --> 01:09:27,520

off his friendships with Scott.

:

01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:27,790

No.

:

01:09:27,795 --> 01:09:32,229

Scott, he gave, but he would be

concerned about how it affected

:

01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:34,210

his status among his peers.

:

01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:34,930

Katie: Good point.

:

01:09:34,930 --> 01:09:39,940

I, which is more a commentary on

how that kind of a conversation

:

01:09:39,940 --> 01:09:43,600

with a friend in:

very different than versus now.

:

01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:44,015

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:09:44,529 --> 01:09:45,100

Zo: Right, right.

:

01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:49,809

And you gotta admit it is something

like, I think nowadays it'd be like, uh,

:

01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:54,580

somebody comes out and they say, yeah,

we knew, we knew you were gay all along.

:

01:09:54,580 --> 01:09:55,030

Absolutely.

:

01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:55,330

Absolutely.

:

01:09:55,375 --> 01:09:55,895

They did that

:

01:09:55,915 --> 01:09:56,135

music: in

:

01:09:56,555 --> 01:09:56,975

Zo: Shazam.

:

01:09:56,995 --> 01:09:57,735

Fur the Gods.

:

01:09:57,735 --> 01:09:59,890

And that was a funny moment

the way that had happened.

:

01:10:00,580 --> 01:10:00,640

Yeah.

:

01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,140

But, uh, but that, that's happening

a lot when people can, can see it

:

01:10:05,140 --> 01:10:09,640

early and they, they can acknowledge

it and they can be, uh, supportive

:

01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:11,980

in a way that probably wasn't.

:

01:10:12,370 --> 01:10:15,010

Attainable in back in:

:

01:10:15,015 --> 01:10:15,085

Yeah.

:

01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:15,550

both: Yeah.

:

01:10:15,550 --> 01:10:15,670

In

:

01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:16,090

Zo: the eighties.

:

01:10:16,690 --> 01:10:20,710

But I, what's fundamental

about that is that it was a

:

01:10:20,710 --> 01:10:22,780

kind of coming out for Scott.

:

01:10:22,780 --> 01:10:26,019

He was coming out, like if he was

gonna come out to anybody, the first

:

01:10:26,019 --> 01:10:27,130

person he thought of was style.

:

01:10:27,130 --> 01:10:29,230

So he's basically coming out styles.

:

01:10:29,230 --> 01:10:32,440

He didn't wanna come out the booth, right?

:

01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:35,890

He didn't wanna come out the booth,

but he came out to Styles so that

:

01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:40,630

that's, uh, Castiles his closest friend

and, and probably Castiles the male.

:

01:10:40,930 --> 01:10:45,519

And he, it's easier for him to talk

to men than it is to talk to women.

:

01:10:45,519 --> 01:10:47,260

So I think that's, has

something to do with it.

:

01:10:49,090 --> 01:10:49,630

Katie: Agreed.

:

01:10:49,630 --> 01:10:50,230

Agreed.

:

01:10:50,290 --> 01:10:53,950

Um, well, and then styles and

his personality, he's like,

:

01:10:53,950 --> 01:10:55,750

how can I capitalize on this?

:

01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:56,290

Like, immediately?

:

01:10:56,290 --> 01:10:56,470

Yes.

:

01:10:56,740 --> 01:10:57,010

Yeah.

:

01:10:59,144 --> 01:10:59,495

Right,

:

01:11:01,385 --> 01:11:01,735

Zo: right.

:

01:11:01,930 --> 01:11:04,059

That's, and then it, it

wasn't even up to styles.

:

01:11:04,059 --> 01:11:05,860

It's like, so now, uh.

:

01:11:06,624 --> 01:11:10,525

Now Scott is playing basketball

and he is being dog piled and he

:

01:11:10,525 --> 01:11:12,294

just, he just changes to a wolf.

:

01:11:12,294 --> 01:11:15,684

It's like, 'cause he's so stressed out

because that has something to do with it.

:

01:11:15,684 --> 01:11:16,464

He doesn't anger.

:

01:11:16,464 --> 01:11:16,855

Right.

:

01:11:16,855 --> 01:11:17,575

It's like that's

:

01:11:17,575 --> 01:11:19,164

Katie: an emotion that

brings the wolf out.

:

01:11:19,164 --> 01:11:19,584

Right?

:

01:11:19,584 --> 01:11:19,825

Yeah.

:

01:11:19,825 --> 01:11:20,514

Zo: Right, right.

:

01:11:20,785 --> 01:11:24,355

He, he, he hoax out in,

in popular vernacular.

:

01:11:24,445 --> 01:11:24,624

Yes.

:

01:11:24,894 --> 01:11:25,644

Katie: Good way of putting it.

:

01:11:25,855 --> 01:11:28,134

That scene was actually

talking about great scenes.

:

01:11:28,134 --> 01:11:31,195

I, that's kind of a pivotal

scene in the movie too.

:

01:11:31,195 --> 01:11:36,865

Now everybody is like, I, I, it's, I just

love the ridiculous nature of things in

:

01:11:36,865 --> 01:11:39,325

the eighties and the move the movie is.

:

01:11:39,384 --> 01:11:43,044

Uh, so he becomes a wolf in the

middle of a basketball game.

:

01:11:43,164 --> 01:11:44,004

A basketball game.

:

01:11:44,544 --> 01:11:47,605

And there's like maybe a

moment where everybody's like,

:

01:11:48,054 --> 01:11:50,065

oh my God, what's going on?

:

01:11:50,844 --> 01:11:51,745

And then that's it.

:

01:11:51,804 --> 01:11:54,450

It just, the game continues and

everybody's Right, right, right.

:

01:11:55,825 --> 01:11:58,105

Especially 'cause he is awesome now.

:

01:11:58,134 --> 01:11:58,405

Right.

:

01:11:58,405 --> 01:12:00,025

Like he's a really good basketball player.

:

01:12:00,355 --> 01:12:07,554

And the music, I loved the song that they

play, like that montage, um Right, right.

:

01:12:07,554 --> 01:12:09,235

I even wrote it down, what was it called?

:

01:12:10,075 --> 01:12:11,905

You gotta go with the Flow, Joe.

:

01:12:12,115 --> 01:12:15,955

I don't, it's not like a well known

song, but if people, if you rewatch

:

01:12:16,434 --> 01:12:21,054

this movie, I guarantee you're it's,

it's, it hits that nostalgic note too.

:

01:12:21,115 --> 01:12:22,075

I loved it.

:

01:12:22,735 --> 01:12:24,054

Zo: Yeah, absolutely.

:

01:12:24,174 --> 01:12:25,584

As a matter of fact, um.

:

01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:30,250

Yeah, when you pointed out that how the

crowds are just staring at him and he's

:

01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:33,340

kind of, he is like, he doesn't know

what to do either, so he's just kind of

:

01:12:33,340 --> 01:12:38,139

staring at the crowd, just bouncing the

ball and then finally goes up for a basket

:

01:12:38,559 --> 01:12:41,320

and the coach is like, all right, we can

just, I guess we just gonna play then.

:

01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:42,290

Yeah.

:

01:12:42,290 --> 01:12:42,790

The, yeah.

:

01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:43,210

Katie: Good point.

:

01:12:43,210 --> 01:12:45,099

The coach, he's, God the coach is great.

:

01:12:45,730 --> 01:12:46,059

Yeah.

:

01:12:46,420 --> 01:12:51,400

But it is a montage me, since I'm a

rocky person, montages are big for me.

:

01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,760

So there were a couple montages

in this movie that were great set

:

01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,000

to really fun songs, so, right.

:

01:12:59,139 --> 01:13:00,040

Zo: Yeah, absolutely.

:

01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,920

That the montages were expertly

done in, in this movie.

:

01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,250

And to your point of, does

make being a werewolf make you

:

01:13:06,250 --> 01:13:07,300

a better basketball player?

:

01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:10,389

I don't necessarily make think

that it makes you better, it just

:

01:13:10,389 --> 01:13:11,980

makes you stronger and faster.

:

01:13:12,490 --> 01:13:12,519

Mm.

:

01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:13,030

music: Okay.

:

01:13:13,210 --> 01:13:13,750

It's already

:

01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:18,130

Zo: implied that Howard or Scott is,

um, already a really good basketball

:

01:13:18,130 --> 01:13:22,570

player, so just being werewolf

just makes him, it just improve,

:

01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:24,820

enhances what he's already good at.

:

01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:25,120

Right.

:

01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:30,670

So if, if he was, uh, and as far as being

faster and stronger so it doesn't make

:

01:13:30,670 --> 01:13:36,160

him smarter, but if, like he was a runner

than being a werewolf would make him run

:

01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,180

faster and he would win all the track

meets where he wasn't winning the track

:

01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:45,070

before, probably in half endurance, so he

can last longer on the basketball court.

:

01:13:45,970 --> 01:13:49,930

And part of the, um,

part of the montages, he.

:

01:13:50,469 --> 01:13:51,969

He's playing the game by himself.

:

01:13:52,059 --> 01:13:52,269

Right.

:

01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:55,900

He was like, the other

people are just angry at him.

:

01:13:55,900 --> 01:13:59,799

'cause he goes from being, uh, a team

player to being a selfish player.

:

01:13:59,835 --> 01:14:00,255

Mm-hmm.

:

01:14:00,339 --> 01:14:03,190

And now he's just, he, he got, he

gets to the point where he doesn't

:

01:14:03,190 --> 01:14:04,450

wanna play with anybody else.

:

01:14:04,450 --> 01:14:08,410

He's like the, he's so good at

being playing basketball that he

:

01:14:08,410 --> 01:14:10,269

can play an entire team by himself.

:

01:14:10,509 --> 01:14:15,190

And now, uh, his teammates are kind of

mad at him because he's not sharing,

:

01:14:15,580 --> 01:14:16,900

he's not part of the team anymore.

:

01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:18,580

He is not sharing the game.

:

01:14:19,210 --> 01:14:19,480

Katie: Good.

:

01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:20,019

Yes.

:

01:14:20,019 --> 01:14:23,410

I did take note of, so at first

they're like, sweet, now we're winning.

:

01:14:23,410 --> 01:14:23,769

Awesome.

:

01:14:23,769 --> 01:14:25,450

'cause they're a terrible basketball team.

:

01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:26,469

Like that's made known.

:

01:14:27,309 --> 01:14:27,519

Yeah.

:

01:14:27,580 --> 01:14:27,820

Yeah.

:

01:14:27,820 --> 01:14:31,690

And now they're going to the championship,

but then they're like, yeah, well,

:

01:14:31,690 --> 01:14:34,509

I mean, it's no, doesn't matter

if we're going to the championship

:

01:14:34,509 --> 01:14:35,860

if we don't even get to play.

:

01:14:36,309 --> 01:14:37,719

So the teammates do.

:

01:14:37,719 --> 01:14:41,139

So we see him being the big man on

campus and he's got all this confidence

:

01:14:41,139 --> 01:14:42,460

now, which makes him popular.

:

01:14:42,460 --> 01:14:46,420

And, um, so everybody's like,

the wolf is awesome, but not

:

01:14:46,420 --> 01:14:47,740

everybody's in love with the wolf.

:

01:14:47,740 --> 01:14:51,400

Like the team starts to turn

and Boof was never into it.

:

01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:56,110

She, 'cause she likes the, the

underlying message here right.

:

01:14:56,110 --> 01:14:58,690

Is that boof who actually

really likes him.

:

01:14:58,690 --> 01:15:00,790

That's another trope that's in this movie.

:

01:15:00,795 --> 01:15:00,974

Right?

:

01:15:01,179 --> 01:15:01,360

Right.

:

01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:07,269

A lot of, so like the, the best friend

who really likes him for who he is, but

:

01:15:07,269 --> 01:15:12,370

he doesn't see the best friend who's

actually a good, probably match for him.

:

01:15:12,424 --> 01:15:12,775

Right.

:

01:15:12,775 --> 01:15:16,570

But he's really into this one

dimensional popular girl for some reason.

:

01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:16,809

Right.

:

01:15:16,809 --> 01:15:17,980

That's an ever eighties movie.

:

01:15:17,980 --> 01:15:19,059

But it's in this one too.

:

01:15:19,059 --> 01:15:19,750

So boof.

:

01:15:20,379 --> 01:15:22,030

Like Scotty for who he is.

:

01:15:22,030 --> 01:15:27,730

And so she doesn't love the wolf, nor

does Lewis, the friend, the other friend.

:

01:15:28,809 --> 01:15:28,900

Zo: Right.

:

01:15:29,589 --> 01:15:30,999

Katie: Like scared of him or something.

:

01:15:30,999 --> 01:15:34,089

So, so we start to see not

everybody loves the wolf, and

:

01:15:34,089 --> 01:15:36,400

then, then the principal also.

:

01:15:36,700 --> 01:15:39,070

And we, there's some history

there that we find out about.

:

01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:39,160

Right,

:

01:15:40,179 --> 01:15:40,480

Zo: right.

:

01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:40,719

Yeah.

:

01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:43,450

That, that was the thing that, so

the reason that the principal's

:

01:15:43,450 --> 01:15:47,889

always hounding him is because he

knows the family secret, because

:

01:15:47,889 --> 01:15:50,379

he had a confrontation with

Scott's father, and they were

:

01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:54,249

arguing over, um, Scott's mother.

:

01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:59,620

So, and Scott's father had won

his mother from the principal.

:

01:16:00,309 --> 01:16:03,040

So, and that's all the underlying history.

:

01:16:03,580 --> 01:16:04,240

So

:

01:16:04,509 --> 01:16:05,830

Katie: like, they went to high school.

:

01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:08,169

Did you assume that it was,

that they went, they were

:

01:16:08,169 --> 01:16:09,400

high in high school together.

:

01:16:09,429 --> 01:16:10,450

Zo: Right, right, right, right.

:

01:16:10,450 --> 01:16:10,509

Yeah.

:

01:16:10,509 --> 01:16:13,150

I was pretty sure that they, they

went to that same high school.

:

01:16:13,599 --> 01:16:13,809

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:16:13,809 --> 01:16:13,870

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:16:13,870 --> 01:16:17,290

And they were, and they were

classmates and they were basically

:

01:16:17,290 --> 01:16:21,580

competing over this girl, and

Scott's father won the girl.

:

01:16:21,584 --> 01:16:21,874

Mm-hmm.

:

01:16:21,959 --> 01:16:26,290

And the principal, or the vice

principal hasn't been angry at the

:

01:16:26,290 --> 01:16:30,820

father ever since and, and harbored

against, and that's so weird to be that

:

01:16:30,879 --> 01:16:36,219

hung up, but I think it was because,

you know, uh, so Scott's father.

:

01:16:37,224 --> 01:16:37,644

What's his name?

:

01:16:37,644 --> 01:16:39,115

I keep calling him Scott's father, Harold.

:

01:16:39,205 --> 01:16:40,349

So Harold?

:

01:16:40,349 --> 01:16:40,509

Yeah.

:

01:16:40,509 --> 01:16:40,549

I

:

01:16:40,554 --> 01:16:40,929

both: Mr.

:

01:16:40,929 --> 01:16:41,304

Howard?

:

01:16:41,304 --> 01:16:41,665

Yes.

:

01:16:41,665 --> 01:16:42,370

Zo: Yeah, Mr.

:

01:16:42,370 --> 01:16:42,804

Howard.

:

01:16:43,615 --> 01:16:47,875

He, he made the print, the,

uh, rusty, like you find out

:

01:16:47,875 --> 01:16:49,045

his name is Rusty later on.

:

01:16:49,049 --> 01:16:49,269

Mm-hmm.

:

01:16:49,495 --> 01:16:50,965

He made Rusty p his pants.

:

01:16:51,205 --> 01:16:56,365

So I guess, uh, embarrassing him, uh, in

front of the girl, that that's something

:

01:16:56,365 --> 01:16:58,705

that it's probably gonna live with you.

:

01:16:58,705 --> 01:17:02,035

If, if he just taking the girl, it's

one thing, but you embarrassed him in

:

01:17:02,035 --> 01:17:04,974

front of the girl, made him pee his pants

and all this kind of stuff, then Yeah.

:

01:17:04,974 --> 01:17:06,745

That's, that's gonna leave a mark.

:

01:17:06,745 --> 01:17:08,575

And he's, he's like mad forever.

:

01:17:08,815 --> 01:17:13,315

So, and now he's taking

it out on, uh, on Scott.

:

01:17:13,344 --> 01:17:19,405

He and Scott is not really doing anything

overtly, um, anything that would aeros

:

01:17:19,705 --> 01:17:23,275

suspicion or cause the, the vice p

to think that he's a bad teenager or

:

01:17:23,275 --> 01:17:25,195

whatever, but he's gonna hound him anyway.

:

01:17:25,195 --> 01:17:26,245

He's like a bad cop.

:

01:17:26,514 --> 01:17:26,815

Right.

:

01:17:28,255 --> 01:17:29,065

Katie: Take it out on him.

:

01:17:29,065 --> 01:17:29,485

Yeah.

:

01:17:29,755 --> 01:17:31,405

And then there's a great payoff.

:

01:17:32,125 --> 01:17:36,025

The, the last scene, you know, the dad

kind of steps in and takes charge and, uh,

:

01:17:36,565 --> 01:17:37,295

Zo: right, right, right.

:

01:17:37,295 --> 01:17:38,000

Makes in his pants

:

01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:38,280

Katie: again.

:

01:17:38,639 --> 01:17:38,759

I

:

01:17:38,759 --> 01:17:38,960

Zo: love it.

:

01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:39,759

Right, right, right.

:

01:17:40,134 --> 01:17:40,554

Yeah.

:

01:17:40,915 --> 01:17:43,765

Uh, he said, and then when he does it, Mr.

:

01:17:43,765 --> 01:17:45,835

Howard says, I can always

count on you, rusty.

:

01:17:46,674 --> 01:17:47,005

Katie: That's good.

:

01:17:47,005 --> 01:17:47,965

The dad is, yeah.

:

01:17:47,969 --> 01:17:52,405

I, I gotta say, I think all the

actors do a great job in this movie.

:

01:17:52,405 --> 01:17:55,585

I think they're all playing

their characters really well.

:

01:17:56,035 --> 01:18:01,915

Uh, I also noticed, I was actually

kind of impressed with the effects.

:

01:18:02,394 --> 01:18:03,655

This is:

:

01:18:03,655 --> 01:18:05,065

I thought it looked pretty good.

:

01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:07,719

Like the werewolf did.

:

01:18:07,719 --> 01:18:08,320

What did you think?

:

01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:09,610

Yeah, the makeup, was it just me?

:

01:18:10,540 --> 01:18:13,660

Zo: No, the makeup for the

werewolf was outstanding.

:

01:18:13,929 --> 01:18:18,820

The, the change effects were, were really

good and, and they hold up pretty well.

:

01:18:18,969 --> 01:18:23,769

And what I liked about it, I just

watched, uh, master of the Universe with

:

01:18:23,769 --> 01:18:25,960

my friends over at not a Bomb podcast.

:

01:18:26,019 --> 01:18:26,380

And the

:

01:18:26,380 --> 01:18:26,889

Katie: old one?

:

01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:28,120

Dolph Lundgren one?

:

01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:28,960

Zo: Yes.

:

01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:29,830

The Dolph Lundgren one.

:

01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:30,070

Oh, yeah.

:

01:18:30,174 --> 01:18:30,375

Katie: Okay.

:

01:18:30,490 --> 01:18:32,080

Zo: And that, uh, love DOL

:

01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:32,500

Katie: Lundgren.

:

01:18:32,554 --> 01:18:36,490

Zo: And so, and so basically I

decided that I still don't like

:

01:18:36,490 --> 01:18:38,320

that movie for a lot of reasons.

:

01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,620

And one of the reasons is like

the makeup was just horrible.

:

01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,059

Like the lips didn't match up.

:

01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,570

Like the, the lips on the

prosthetic characters didn't match

:

01:18:46,570 --> 01:18:48,429

up with the lips of the actors.

:

01:18:48,610 --> 01:18:49,599

So Okay.

:

01:18:49,599 --> 01:18:52,509

The lips of the, of the characters

were just kind of flapping around.

:

01:18:54,339 --> 01:18:57,639

Katie: Oh, I've only seen it once,

so I can't really recall what you're

:

01:18:57,639 --> 01:19:00,250

referring to, but good comparison.

:

01:19:00,250 --> 01:19:03,040

'cause that was probably

around the same time-ish.

:

01:19:03,490 --> 01:19:07,660

Zo: Yeah, it was around the same time,

probably later, but it had a much smaller

:

01:19:07,660 --> 01:19:12,880

budget and, uh, and the, that movie

did so bad that it bankrupt the studio.

:

01:19:13,299 --> 01:19:15,280

Uh, Canon was the studio

for that movie, so yeah.

:

01:19:15,285 --> 01:19:15,670

Oh, of course it

:

01:19:15,670 --> 01:19:16,059

Katie: was.

:

01:19:16,269 --> 01:19:17,589

Well there were a lot of movies.

:

01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,799

I don't know that could have

bankrupted Canon, but Yes.

:

01:19:20,894 --> 01:19:22,150

Zo: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

:

01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:25,809

It was that movie and Superman

four, and they just did a

:

01:19:25,809 --> 01:19:28,030

Superman four episode, so Yeah.

:

01:19:28,570 --> 01:19:28,610

Oh, fun.

:

01:19:29,125 --> 01:19:29,515

Yeah.

:

01:19:29,875 --> 01:19:30,385

All bad.

:

01:19:30,385 --> 01:19:31,045

So anyways,

:

01:19:33,205 --> 01:19:37,615

Katie: yeah, I, I was really

impressed actually with the Yeah.

:

01:19:37,615 --> 01:19:38,965

The makeup and the effects of it.

:

01:19:39,025 --> 01:19:39,385

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:19:39,745 --> 01:19:42,895

All, all of that was really good

and I enjoyed it, although some

:

01:19:42,895 --> 01:19:46,645

people would say he looks more like

a, an eight man than a wolf man.

:

01:19:46,645 --> 01:19:46,945

But

:

01:19:46,945 --> 01:19:47,395

both: yeah, I

:

01:19:47,650 --> 01:19:49,465

Zo: always, I always took him as a wolf.

:

01:19:49,465 --> 01:19:52,885

I I never got him confused with

any other creature or a wolf man.

:

01:19:53,155 --> 01:19:58,495

And they're all different takes on,

uh, the type of Wolf Man lately, we,

:

01:19:58,675 --> 01:20:03,265

what we see in movies are creatures

that look more like wolves, especially

:

01:20:03,265 --> 01:20:06,055

like in, um, I can't remember.

:

01:20:06,085 --> 01:20:07,885

Well, in some of the later

movies, they're, they're more

:

01:20:07,885 --> 01:20:12,085

wolf like than anything, or

they just transform into wolves.

:

01:20:12,535 --> 01:20:17,905

But in the earlier days, uh, in

long, in the long Cheney days, they

:

01:20:18,145 --> 01:20:21,835

kind of looked more like men that,

that were just slightly hairier.

:

01:20:22,075 --> 01:20:25,525

And I think that was the look

that Teen Wolf was going for.

:

01:20:25,645 --> 01:20:25,765

Yep.

:

01:20:25,765 --> 01:20:29,665

Like slightly more werewolf

fish, but still managed because

:

01:20:29,965 --> 01:20:33,055

you, you're going to get an ape

looking creature when you do that.

:

01:20:34,015 --> 01:20:35,995

But, uh, the other thing, yeah, I agree.

:

01:20:35,995 --> 01:20:38,965

Katie: I agree with you on

all of those fronts, right?

:

01:20:39,085 --> 01:20:43,975

He, yeah, just like an ape man with the

ears, but the ears, the teeth, the nails.

:

01:20:44,395 --> 01:20:46,434

But yeah, I mean, what are you

gonna, what else are you gonna do,

:

01:20:47,005 --> 01:20:47,425

Zo: right?

:

01:20:47,605 --> 01:20:47,934

Yeah.

:

01:20:48,115 --> 01:20:51,985

Um, so there was a movie that was

actually, it was, it was referred to as

:

01:20:51,985 --> 01:20:56,305

a television special by Marvel and Disney

Plus, and it was called Werewolf by Night.

:

01:20:57,205 --> 01:21:01,705

What I liked about that show is that it

kind of went back to that long Cheney,

:

01:21:02,125 --> 01:21:07,644

uh, aesthetic because the character

that it's based on is a werewolf.

:

01:21:07,765 --> 01:21:13,855

And when they created the character,

they really wanted to, uh, they used the,

:

01:21:13,855 --> 01:21:16,434

the long Cheney style as their template.

:

01:21:16,434 --> 01:21:18,595

So that's what the werewolf

looks like, and that's what

:

01:21:18,595 --> 01:21:19,615

they brought to the series.

:

01:21:19,615 --> 01:21:20,815

And I was surprised to see that.

:

01:21:20,830 --> 01:21:23,275

I was like, oh, this is

an old fashioned werewolf.

:

01:21:25,105 --> 01:21:25,825

Which Yeah.

:

01:21:25,825 --> 01:21:27,385

Which pro probably made you enjoy it

:

01:21:27,385 --> 01:21:27,655

Katie: more,

:

01:21:27,655 --> 01:21:28,165

Zo: right?

:

01:21:28,465 --> 01:21:28,975

Yeah.

:

01:21:28,975 --> 01:21:29,215

Yeah.

:

01:21:29,215 --> 01:21:32,635

No, I, I don't know if it made me

enjoy it more, but I was, I was

:

01:21:32,635 --> 01:21:34,885

definitely pleasantly surprised.

:

01:21:34,890 --> 01:21:35,030

Okay.

:

01:21:35,215 --> 01:21:41,125

To see them using old fashioned, you

know, design for the, the werewolf

:

01:21:41,125 --> 01:21:46,225

instead of the more modern takes on what

werewolves look like in the newer movies.

:

01:21:46,225 --> 01:21:46,285

Yeah.

:

01:21:47,215 --> 01:21:51,340

So if you haven't seen Werewolf by

night, I would, I highly encourage.

:

01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:52,825

It was super entertaining.

:

01:21:53,155 --> 01:21:53,425

It's, yeah.

:

01:21:53,425 --> 01:21:53,995

I haven't,

:

01:21:54,505 --> 01:21:56,215

Katie: isn't usually my genre.

:

01:21:56,215 --> 01:21:58,465

I mean, this is a teen

film, that's why I love it.

:

01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:58,910

Right, right, right.

:

01:21:58,910 --> 01:22:00,355

It brings back a lot of memories, but

:

01:22:02,934 --> 01:22:07,975

like, fantasy generally speaking is not

my jam, but I might, I might check it out.

:

01:22:07,975 --> 01:22:08,425

Yeah.

:

01:22:08,965 --> 01:22:09,775

Zo: Right, right, right.

:

01:22:09,775 --> 01:22:11,875

Yeah, that's, that's definitely a fantasy.

:

01:22:11,875 --> 01:22:14,335

But I think, I think

that you'd like that one.

:

01:22:14,365 --> 01:22:14,635

Katie: Okay.

:

01:22:18,865 --> 01:22:20,695

Zo: So, uh, oh my goodness.

:

01:22:20,695 --> 01:22:21,565

I hope you can't hear that.

:

01:22:21,565 --> 01:22:22,585

That's my stomach growling.

:

01:22:22,885 --> 01:22:23,035

Uh,

:

01:22:24,985 --> 01:22:26,425

Katie: I cannot, so

:

01:22:26,665 --> 01:22:27,610

Zo: that your secret is you.

:

01:22:27,610 --> 01:22:27,860

Well, that, that's

:

01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:28,375

music: awesome because

:

01:22:28,375 --> 01:22:29,245

Zo: it's super loud.

:

01:22:29,245 --> 01:22:31,165

I was like, why is it so loud?

:

01:22:31,345 --> 01:22:32,695

I'm not even really hungry.

:

01:22:32,695 --> 01:22:33,684

It's just gases

:

01:22:33,684 --> 01:22:34,465

Katie: moving, I guess.

:

01:22:34,525 --> 01:22:34,675

Yeah.

:

01:22:36,745 --> 01:22:40,045

You know, one thing that I noted,

so I watched this yesterday.

:

01:22:40,644 --> 01:22:40,855

both: Yeah.

:

01:22:40,885 --> 01:22:47,724

Katie: Uh, but prior to that, I feel like

every viewing of it has been either when

:

01:22:47,724 --> 01:22:54,745

it's on TV or when we were, when I was a

kid, it was our VHS like taped from tv.

:

01:22:54,745 --> 01:22:57,745

So apparently it was always

the edited version, uhhuh,

:

01:22:58,974 --> 01:23:00,445

and now my stomach's growling.

:

01:23:01,585 --> 01:23:09,295

Uh, but I literally kind of had to do

a double take almost when there's the

:

01:23:09,295 --> 01:23:11,455

scene where Pamela, they get it on.

:

01:23:11,455 --> 01:23:11,514

Yeah.

:

01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:12,769

music: Yeah.

:

01:23:12,769 --> 01:23:13,555

And I did

:

01:23:13,555 --> 01:23:18,355

Katie: not even know that because I've

always right it, the edited version.

:

01:23:18,355 --> 01:23:23,035

I think they, you know, they kiss or

something, but there's no indication

:

01:23:23,035 --> 01:23:25,855

that they actually get it on.

:

01:23:26,394 --> 01:23:29,770

And so it makes more sense now because

later he's like, well, what about.

:

01:23:30,804 --> 01:23:33,655

What about earlier, you

know, in your dressing room.

:

01:23:33,655 --> 01:23:34,794

And she's like, what about it?

:

01:23:34,855 --> 01:23:36,219

And I always thought, right, right, right.

:

01:23:36,325 --> 01:23:38,785

He was making a big deal

about a kiss or something.

:

01:23:38,785 --> 01:23:39,384

But no, no,

:

01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:40,914

Zo: no, no, no.

:

01:23:40,974 --> 01:23:41,394

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:23:41,695 --> 01:23:41,905

Zo: no.

:

01:23:42,115 --> 01:23:43,735

They were engaged in casual sex.

:

01:23:43,735 --> 01:23:45,445

They got to know each

other in a carnal way.

:

01:23:46,464 --> 01:23:46,485

Katie: They did.

:

01:23:46,485 --> 01:23:50,394

And I literally, yesterday was the first

time I realized that isn't that crazy?

:

01:23:50,394 --> 01:23:50,664

Right,

:

01:23:50,664 --> 01:23:51,384

Zo: right, right.

:

01:23:51,745 --> 01:23:53,634

She had, she had taken

her top completely off.

:

01:23:53,634 --> 01:23:54,655

It's like, we're doing this.

:

01:23:54,655 --> 01:23:54,924

Yeah.

:

01:23:56,919 --> 01:24:00,325

And so I, I guess her motivation

is that she, she wants to be

:

01:24:00,745 --> 01:24:02,514

the slut that can get any guy.

:

01:24:02,514 --> 01:24:04,644

I guess that's, that's

how she sees herself.

:

01:24:04,884 --> 01:24:06,775

'cause she already has a

boyfriend and she's not willing

:

01:24:06,775 --> 01:24:08,544

to let go of that boyfriend.

:

01:24:08,544 --> 01:24:13,195

But at the same time, she wants to

be seen as connected to the most

:

01:24:13,195 --> 01:24:14,605

popular kid in her high school.

:

01:24:14,785 --> 01:24:17,304

'cause apparently her boyfriend

goes to a different high school.

:

01:24:18,174 --> 01:24:18,535

Katie: He does.

:

01:24:18,535 --> 01:24:18,555

He does.

:

01:24:18,555 --> 01:24:18,575

He does.

:

01:24:19,139 --> 01:24:20,934

I I did find it a little strange.

:

01:24:20,934 --> 01:24:25,884

You don't usually see that in movies,

especially from this time because so,

:

01:24:25,974 --> 01:24:30,565

so they have their, their a little,

uh, time together in her dressing room.

:

01:24:30,565 --> 01:24:33,325

'cause she's in the school play somehow

she has like a whole dressing room.

:

01:24:33,624 --> 01:24:33,924

I don't know.

:

01:24:33,924 --> 01:24:34,105

Right.

:

01:24:34,495 --> 01:24:38,124

Um, and then they go,

they have like a date.

:

01:24:38,155 --> 01:24:41,514

They go bowling together and

they're canoodling bowling.

:

01:24:41,514 --> 01:24:45,714

And Mick the boyfriend is

there being jealous about it.

:

01:24:47,304 --> 01:24:51,235

And so if I'm Scotty, I would

think, okay, well maybe she's my

:

01:24:51,235 --> 01:24:54,655

girlfriend now, but then later she

says, no, Mick's still my boyfriend.

:

01:24:54,655 --> 01:24:55,615

It's weird.

:

01:24:55,615 --> 01:24:55,705

Right?

:

01:24:56,210 --> 01:24:56,330

Zo: Right.

:

01:24:56,330 --> 01:24:57,355

But she's just doing it out

:

01:24:57,355 --> 01:24:58,285

Katie: in the open.

:

01:24:58,344 --> 01:24:58,915

Zo: Right.

:

01:24:59,184 --> 01:25:00,565

She, he even brings it up.

:

01:25:00,565 --> 01:25:02,605

It's like, did you know

he was gonna be here?

:

01:25:02,905 --> 01:25:07,134

And she's like, not committing

to an answer, but you kind of

:

01:25:07,134 --> 01:25:10,375

get the feeling that she knew and

for some reason she wants to make

:

01:25:10,375 --> 01:25:12,445

him, his, her boyfriend jealous.

:

01:25:12,445 --> 01:25:17,094

And it, yeah, this doesn't need, you know,

it, it doesn't feel like there to a need

:

01:25:17,094 --> 01:25:21,355

to do that from her perspective, because

it's not like he's looking at other women.

:

01:25:21,355 --> 01:25:24,865

It's like he's, if anything, he's

more possessive of her than anything.

:

01:25:24,865 --> 01:25:25,195

Mm-hmm.

:

01:25:25,434 --> 01:25:29,754

But, um, yeah, he's just,

uh, she's just weird.

:

01:25:29,754 --> 01:25:30,924

She's just a weird chick.

:

01:25:31,105 --> 01:25:34,285

I think this would've better been

a better movie if he left her.

:

01:25:34,705 --> 01:25:35,304

It was like,

:

01:25:35,365 --> 01:25:35,905

Katie: yeah.

:

01:25:36,325 --> 01:25:37,644

Zo: Definitively broke up with her.

:

01:25:38,934 --> 01:25:41,094

Katie: She's so, she's

just fickle and Yeah.

:

01:25:41,094 --> 01:25:44,844

She wants to be attached to

whoever the big man on campus is.

:

01:25:45,415 --> 01:25:46,385

Zo: Right, right, right, right.

:

01:25:46,385 --> 01:25:46,615

And so

:

01:25:46,615 --> 01:25:49,764

Katie: then, you know, later

in the movie, we see how she's

:

01:25:49,764 --> 01:25:53,815

so fickle in that spoiler.

:

01:25:53,815 --> 01:25:57,384

They win, they win the basketball

tournament and, right, right.

:

01:25:57,384 --> 01:26:00,565

Thankfully, so we get this

nice perfect eighties ending.

:

01:26:00,985 --> 01:26:01,315

Right.

:

01:26:01,344 --> 01:26:03,955

Sort of where Scott realizes that boof.

:

01:26:04,420 --> 01:26:05,305

Is the girl for him.

:

01:26:05,305 --> 01:26:08,305

So he pushes right past

Pamela at the end of the game.

:

01:26:08,309 --> 01:26:08,515

Right, right, right.

:

01:26:08,515 --> 01:26:11,005

To go to boot to booth, which is great.

:

01:26:11,005 --> 01:26:11,605

You're like, yeah,

:

01:26:11,665 --> 01:26:11,965

music: right.

:

01:26:11,965 --> 01:26:12,655

Katie: Screw that chick.

:

01:26:12,655 --> 01:26:13,705

She's, she's shitty.

:

01:26:13,705 --> 01:26:13,795

Right?

:

01:26:14,275 --> 01:26:17,815

And then Mick comes over to

her, but he just lost the game.

:

01:26:17,995 --> 01:26:21,985

So now she's, she tells him to

drop dead, so she's Right, right.

:

01:26:21,985 --> 01:26:25,645

She's just attaching herself to

whoever the winner of the day is.

:

01:26:25,645 --> 01:26:25,975

It seems.

:

01:26:25,975 --> 01:26:26,305

Right.

:

01:26:26,365 --> 01:26:26,665

Right.

:

01:26:27,175 --> 01:26:31,885

Zo: Also, uh, booth is throwing

herself at Scott the entire movie.

:

01:26:32,155 --> 01:26:32,605

It's like,

:

01:26:34,645 --> 01:26:36,445

it's like, pick me Plus.

:

01:26:36,445 --> 01:26:36,715

Right.

:

01:26:36,715 --> 01:26:38,695

That's, that's what the kids say nowadays.

:

01:26:38,815 --> 01:26:41,695

She was a total pick

me, uh, towards Scott.

:

01:26:41,934 --> 01:26:45,625

And, um, I guess it's totally

appropriate because they grew up

:

01:26:45,625 --> 01:26:48,955

together and she's, uh, and it's

like, I guess when you're kids, you

:

01:26:48,955 --> 01:26:50,365

don't realize you're just friends.

:

01:26:50,365 --> 01:26:51,059

But then mm-hmm.

:

01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:55,555

She has grown attached to him in

a way that he has not recognized.

:

01:26:55,795 --> 01:27:00,684

So he still, he still sees her as

a best friend, which is why he can

:

01:27:00,684 --> 01:27:04,975

be friends with her and at the same

time lust after this other chick.

:

01:27:05,005 --> 01:27:05,305

Right.

:

01:27:05,305 --> 01:27:06,865

So he doesn't Yes.

:

01:27:06,925 --> 01:27:10,585

Even when she's like throwing himself

herself at him and kissing him

:

01:27:10,585 --> 01:27:13,945

in the closet and he accidentally

scratches her, scratches her

:

01:27:13,945 --> 01:27:16,015

with his enormous wolf claws.

:

01:27:17,065 --> 01:27:19,285

Katie: And you're right,

she is totally after.

:

01:27:19,285 --> 01:27:23,934

And I feel, it seems as though everyone

around them is also like the dad.

:

01:27:23,934 --> 01:27:27,985

And was it styles or, yeah,

we're trying to get 'em together.

:

01:27:28,045 --> 01:27:29,965

Like, it's like everyone

can see that they.

:

01:27:30,805 --> 01:27:36,055

A good pair except Scott's uninterested

because he's so focused on this.

:

01:27:36,415 --> 01:27:37,225

Pamela,

:

01:27:37,645 --> 01:27:38,035

Zo: right.

:

01:27:38,065 --> 01:27:38,515

Girl.

:

01:27:38,605 --> 01:27:38,965

Right.

:

01:27:39,809 --> 01:27:44,995

And, and finally, uh, that, uh, he breaks

the spell after he does the final game.

:

01:27:45,475 --> 01:27:48,895

So, uh, one last part, uh,

that, that you really liked.

:

01:27:50,455 --> 01:27:51,235

Katie: Uh, ooh.

:

01:27:51,415 --> 01:27:55,855

I mean, I guess just the message, I

mean, this sounds corny, but kind of the

:

01:27:55,855 --> 01:28:01,105

message, the underlying message that, and

how it ends with, you know, it wraps up.

:

01:28:01,105 --> 01:28:05,605

Well, they end up winning the

basketball game, so he is talked

:

01:28:05,605 --> 01:28:07,765

into just being himself, so, right.

:

01:28:08,005 --> 01:28:12,235

Everybody is like, we only want

you involved in the play or

:

01:28:12,745 --> 01:28:14,785

whatever, if you're the wolf.

:

01:28:14,875 --> 01:28:19,135

And so he realizes that he can get

everything that he wants by being

:

01:28:19,135 --> 01:28:25,045

someone that he's not, but being true

to himself that, you know, it's, it's

:

01:28:25,045 --> 01:28:29,395

a good message that you can achieve

things by being yourself, putting in

:

01:28:29,395 --> 01:28:34,015

the work and, and the people who truly

care about you will like you for you.

:

01:28:34,315 --> 01:28:38,365

And so we get that lovely message and they

win the game after all, when he's human.

:

01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:38,875

Right, right.

:

01:28:39,055 --> 01:28:39,595

Uh, yeah.

:

01:28:39,595 --> 01:28:43,915

Zo: I, I think some of the criticism

is that the probably is at the

:

01:28:43,915 --> 01:28:45,145

ending is a little too perfect.

:

01:28:45,445 --> 01:28:48,055

I think I would've preferred if they

had lost a basketball game because there

:

01:28:48,055 --> 01:28:50,125

was no reason that they should have won.

:

01:28:50,365 --> 01:28:50,635

No.

:

01:28:50,665 --> 01:28:53,965

If he wasn't going to be the

werewolf and he gets his.

:

01:28:54,384 --> 01:28:55,344

Fans anyway.

:

01:28:55,344 --> 01:28:57,970

Like he gets the, people still

like him in spite, spite of the

:

01:28:58,110 --> 01:28:59,184

fact that they lost the game.

:

01:28:59,184 --> 01:29:01,344

I would've liked it if they had done that.

:

01:29:01,674 --> 01:29:01,974

They, because Miss, because

:

01:29:01,974 --> 01:29:04,554

Katie: he wins by one

point with free throws.

:

01:29:04,554 --> 01:29:10,195

'cause Nick calls out, I guess I sort

of like it because the movie is so

:

01:29:10,195 --> 01:29:12,804

ultimate eighties cheese in a good way.

:

01:29:12,804 --> 01:29:12,894

Right?

:

01:29:12,894 --> 01:29:17,155

Like, and that's why I'm like, I, I like

the perfect ending because the movie is

:

01:29:17,155 --> 01:29:21,894

so, it's, it clearly follows a formula.

:

01:29:21,894 --> 01:29:21,985

Right.

:

01:29:22,285 --> 01:29:28,195

But somehow doesn't, I, maybe it's just

me, but to me it didn't feel formulaic.

:

01:29:28,450 --> 01:29:28,799

Zo: Right.

:

01:29:28,804 --> 01:29:29,065

Right.

:

01:29:29,094 --> 01:29:29,575

They did

:

01:29:29,844 --> 01:29:33,445

Katie: such a good job in, in other

areas that the movie came together

:

01:29:33,445 --> 01:29:35,754

not feeling super formulaic for me.

:

01:29:36,264 --> 01:29:36,325

Yeah.

:

01:29:36,325 --> 01:29:36,775

Right,

:

01:29:37,285 --> 01:29:37,554

Zo: right.

:

01:29:37,585 --> 01:29:37,795

Yeah.

:

01:29:37,795 --> 01:29:39,504

I'm never not going to like this movie.

:

01:29:39,504 --> 01:29:43,884

I'll always love this movie, but I,

now that I'm older, I understand the

:

01:29:43,884 --> 01:29:47,815

criticism of I'm not gonna, like,

there are some people that, that I'll

:

01:29:47,815 --> 01:29:51,865

point out certain flaws in the movie

and now I'll defend it to the death.

:

01:29:52,045 --> 01:29:54,594

But in this movie they'll,

they might point out a flaw.

:

01:29:54,594 --> 01:29:54,655

Yeah.

:

01:29:54,745 --> 01:29:56,815

And I'll be like, alright,

you right, you right.

:

01:29:56,820 --> 01:29:56,879

Yeah.

:

01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:57,360

I got you.

:

01:29:58,190 --> 01:29:58,480

both: Yeah.

:

01:29:58,740 --> 01:29:59,839

Zo: Oh, I totally hear you.

:

01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,080

I can't I hear you on that.

:

01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:01,839

I can't defend that.

:

01:30:02,230 --> 01:30:02,519

both: Yeah,

:

01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:03,200

Zo: it's true.

:

01:30:04,495 --> 01:30:07,975

But one of my last favorite parts

is, uh, when the coach gives

:

01:30:07,975 --> 01:30:12,355

his advice, and it's like, I, I

got three things that I live by.

:

01:30:12,355 --> 01:30:12,415

Yeah.

:

01:30:13,165 --> 01:30:15,865

Uh, one, always get 12 hours of sleep.

:

01:30:16,135 --> 01:30:16,705

I love that.

:

01:30:16,705 --> 01:30:19,350

12, 12, like, this is

so, coach, I love it.

:

01:30:19,620 --> 01:30:20,110

Amazing.

:

01:30:20,290 --> 01:30:27,955

12, how can you, I I know I can sleep

12 hours if I tried in a week maybe.

:

01:30:27,955 --> 01:30:28,195

both: Yeah.

:

01:30:29,815 --> 01:30:34,315

Zo: Then he says, uh, never

play cards with a man with the,

:

01:30:34,615 --> 01:30:35,905

with the first name of a city.

:

01:30:36,265 --> 01:30:40,405

So I'm guessing that he couldn't play

cards with a man named Dallas or Phoenix.

:

01:30:40,434 --> 01:30:40,615

Yep.

:

01:30:40,675 --> 01:30:42,565

Or Washington or something like that.

:

01:30:42,565 --> 01:30:42,655

Mm-hmm.

:

01:30:44,250 --> 01:30:48,085

And then he says, never date

a woman with a tattoo dagger.

:

01:30:48,145 --> 01:30:51,385

Uh, and, and that's funny

that that's what he lives by.

:

01:30:51,385 --> 01:30:53,605

Those are his principles in his life.

:

01:30:54,690 --> 01:30:57,745

Katie: And that's like, I love that

part too though, because that's

:

01:30:57,745 --> 01:31:00,445

like right after he says it's,

it's not how you play the game.

:

01:31:00,445 --> 01:31:04,225

It's whether you win or it's, it's just

such a win a window into this coach

:

01:31:04,585 --> 01:31:08,785

that he has probably the best, um,

back character, like his character.

:

01:31:08,875 --> 01:31:12,595

Just, there's so much

to it in a funny way.

:

01:31:12,595 --> 01:31:12,895

Right, right, right.

:

01:31:12,895 --> 01:31:13,135

Yeah.

:

01:31:13,825 --> 01:31:14,035

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:31:14,035 --> 01:31:16,975

As a matter of fact, it's like he doesn't

really care about the game all that

:

01:31:16,975 --> 01:31:18,655

much until his team starts winning.

:

01:31:18,715 --> 01:31:18,955

Yeah.

:

01:31:18,955 --> 01:31:21,475

And so when Marty comes in

and wants to play by himself.

:

01:31:21,970 --> 01:31:22,590

As himself.

:

01:31:22,595 --> 01:31:26,485

Himself, not by himself, but he wants to

play as himself and not as a, a werewolf.

:

01:31:26,845 --> 01:31:27,655

And he says, you sure?

:

01:31:27,684 --> 01:31:29,365

You sure you, you sure

you don't want to change?

:

01:31:29,365 --> 01:31:30,955

And you know, Scott is like, no.

:

01:31:30,955 --> 01:31:33,955

It's like, okay, then

you let's, let's do it.

:

01:31:34,105 --> 01:31:34,345

Right?

:

01:31:34,345 --> 01:31:34,495

Yeah.

:

01:31:34,495 --> 01:31:35,305

It's like whatever.

:

01:31:35,309 --> 01:31:38,514

He's like, he's not all that

emotionally invested in it.

:

01:31:38,695 --> 01:31:42,445

I mean, he would like to win, but if

Marty wants to play his as himself, he

:

01:31:42,445 --> 01:31:43,735

does, he is not gonna stand in his way.

:

01:31:43,735 --> 01:31:46,375

He's not gonna throw a tenter

temper tantrum and start

:

01:31:46,375 --> 01:31:48,144

stomping his feet and screaming.

:

01:31:48,325 --> 01:31:51,835

He's like, he's all, he's at the

same time, the worst and the best

:

01:31:51,835 --> 01:31:53,485

coast that you could probably have

:

01:31:53,695 --> 01:31:53,995

Katie: agreed.

:

01:31:53,995 --> 01:31:55,375

He's just so chill.

:

01:31:55,375 --> 01:31:56,830

Like with every, right, right.

:

01:31:56,995 --> 01:32:01,135

Like with, I love his like, I

mean, it's like a hilariously bad

:

01:32:01,135 --> 01:32:02,695

outlook on life, but it's Right.

:

01:32:02,695 --> 01:32:03,115

I don't know.

:

01:32:03,115 --> 01:32:05,275

There's something endearing about it.

:

01:32:06,115 --> 01:32:06,925

Zo: Absolutely.

:

01:32:08,335 --> 01:32:13,315

So you've heard some of our

favorite parts of Teen Wolf.

:

01:32:13,375 --> 01:32:14,755

I encourage you to check it out.

:

01:32:14,755 --> 01:32:18,235

It's the, and I'm talking about

the original, not the TV show.

:

01:32:18,445 --> 01:32:22,105

Watch the watch, the original from

which the TV show was inspired.

:

01:32:22,105 --> 01:32:27,535

And maybe you'll come to understand why

the TV show was made in the first place.

:

01:32:27,535 --> 01:32:31,315

Why people were inspired to

do a remake of Teen Wolf.

:

01:32:31,705 --> 01:32:36,684

And now, uh, on our next segment, we

are going to talk about the trivia.

:

01:32:36,684 --> 01:32:40,434

We gonna take a pause and

listen to some music, and then

:

01:32:40,585 --> 01:32:41,605

we're gonna get back with you.

:

01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:49,059

And we are back.

:

01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:51,490

We're gonna talk about the trivia.

:

01:32:51,490 --> 01:32:53,470

The trivia comes from IMDB.

:

01:32:53,710 --> 01:32:55,330

Is it the best place to get trivia?

:

01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:56,740

Almost.

:

01:32:57,070 --> 01:32:57,790

It's almost there.

:

01:32:58,270 --> 01:32:59,080

I I like it.

:

01:33:00,100 --> 01:33:03,850

So Katie, start us off with de trivia.

:

01:33:04,420 --> 01:33:05,590

Katie: Scott Howard.

:

01:33:05,620 --> 01:33:11,200

Michael j Fox's house was located

on the same block as:

:

01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:16,510

McFly and:

house from back to the future.

:

01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:18,580

Do you mean like the set?

:

01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:19,750

Is that what they mean?

:

01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:20,559

The house?

:

01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:23,200

Zo: Well, they used real houses.

:

01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:29,080

So the, the location of the houses on

that same street as the other houses.

:

01:33:29,170 --> 01:33:30,850

Katie: Where, do you know where it was?

:

01:33:30,850 --> 01:33:34,600

I have a little, like it's, I don't think

it's on here, but something that I noted

:

01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,900

about the, one of the filming locations.

:

01:33:38,350 --> 01:33:38,770

I don't know.

:

01:33:38,775 --> 01:33:38,945

Right.

:

01:33:38,980 --> 01:33:39,130

I have

:

01:33:39,130 --> 01:33:40,090

Zo: no idea where it's at.

:

01:33:40,750 --> 01:33:40,780

Okay.

:

01:33:40,780 --> 01:33:41,305

I didn't dig too deep into it.

:

01:33:41,380 --> 01:33:41,500

I

:

01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:43,570

Katie: think some of it

probably California somewhere.

:

01:33:44,260 --> 01:33:44,470

Yeah.

:

01:33:44,559 --> 01:33:48,160

But there was a scene, um, this, I'm

off on a tangent here, but there was

:

01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:53,770

a scene in the house in the Howard

kitchen where there was like a,

:

01:33:53,860 --> 01:33:58,090

a college football, uh, schedule.

:

01:33:58,090 --> 01:33:59,950

Like the, like a little banner.

:

01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:00,675

You right.

:

01:34:00,675 --> 01:34:06,190

And the reason I noticed it is because

I'm from Nebraska originally and, um.

:

01:34:07,210 --> 01:34:10,179

The Huskers, Nebraska Huskers

are like a huge deal in Nebraska.

:

01:34:10,179 --> 01:34:16,510

And so I noticed that they had a Nebraska

football like pendant calendar, and I,

:

01:34:16,510 --> 01:34:20,740

so I wa I, that made me wonder where

the, where some of this was filmed.

:

01:34:21,070 --> 01:34:25,090

And then I watched the entire credits

and at the very end they thank

:

01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:29,590

the people of Fremont, Nebraska,

which is like a tiny little town.

:

01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:29,679

Right.

:

01:34:30,099 --> 01:34:34,179

I wonder if that's the downtown, I wonder

if that's where they filmed, like the

:

01:34:34,179 --> 01:34:36,070

downtown, where the hardware store was.

:

01:34:36,429 --> 01:34:36,760

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:37,000

Yeah.

:

01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:38,260

That, that's probably it.

:

01:34:38,260 --> 01:34:41,500

It, it definitely looks

like a quaint downtown area.

:

01:34:41,559 --> 01:34:41,920

both: Yeah.

:

01:34:41,980 --> 01:34:45,580

Zo: And normally in the trivia,

if it was on set, like there are a

:

01:34:45,580 --> 01:34:49,120

couple of movies that take place on

the same set as Back to the Future.

:

01:34:49,389 --> 01:34:53,590

So I'm thinking of, uh, back to the Future

and Gremlins that was the same town.

:

01:34:53,889 --> 01:34:56,139

Oh, and the town is like a,

it's not a real town, right?

:

01:34:56,139 --> 01:34:59,590

It's a town that's on the,

the Universal Studios lot.

:

01:35:00,219 --> 01:35:04,990

So it, so they basically, when you,

you see the town one way, and then when

:

01:35:04,990 --> 01:35:08,740

you watch Gremlins, they just take a

picture of the town from a different

:

01:35:08,740 --> 01:35:10,900

angle, but it's, it's the same town.

:

01:35:11,224 --> 01:35:11,465

Interesting.

:

01:35:11,500 --> 01:35:14,950

So I'm pretty sure they would've

noted that in the, in the trivia, but.

:

01:35:15,445 --> 01:35:17,844

In this case, I looked at all

of the trivia that they had,

:

01:35:17,844 --> 01:35:18,714

and they didn't mention that.

:

01:35:18,714 --> 01:35:21,474

So it's probably in that

Nebraska town that you mentioned?

:

01:35:21,474 --> 01:35:26,214

Yeah, especially if they gave credit to

the, uh, town at the credits at the movie.

:

01:35:26,424 --> 01:35:26,874

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:35:27,115 --> 01:35:27,535

Yeah.

:

01:35:27,775 --> 01:35:29,905

I've never noticed that little,

I, you know, my, I have an

:

01:35:29,905 --> 01:35:31,554

eye apparently for Nebraska.

:

01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:34,554

I, I actually don't, I'm like

the worst original Nebraska.

:

01:35:34,554 --> 01:35:36,415

Like I'm, I'm a terrible Nebraskan.

:

01:35:36,714 --> 01:35:38,004

Um, I don't live there now.

:

01:35:38,004 --> 01:35:40,105

I don't live there now, but

I'm originally from there.

:

01:35:40,764 --> 01:35:41,214

Zo: Right.

:

01:35:42,115 --> 01:35:47,665

The entire protection only took

21 days, so they filmed this

:

01:35:47,665 --> 01:35:49,884

entire movie in three weeks.

:

01:35:50,004 --> 01:35:51,144

So that's fan.

:

01:35:51,205 --> 01:35:54,955

And they say that the entire protection,

so they must be talking about the

:

01:35:54,955 --> 01:35:59,424

pre-production, the filming, and the

post-production, the entire production.

:

01:35:59,424 --> 01:36:00,684

So they didn't take long.

:

01:36:00,684 --> 01:36:03,054

This, this was a very quick movie.

:

01:36:03,474 --> 01:36:04,554

Katie: That's insane.

:

01:36:05,035 --> 01:36:05,214

Yes.

:

01:36:05,634 --> 01:36:08,665

I mean, I mean, it, as you mentioned

earlier, the, I guess they had a really

:

01:36:08,665 --> 01:36:12,054

small budget and so they just had

to, you know, hit the ground running.

:

01:36:12,834 --> 01:36:15,294

But they did a good job, I thought.

:

01:36:15,355 --> 01:36:15,684

music: Yeah.

:

01:36:15,745 --> 01:36:17,995

Katie: Even the little details

in the ba like in the basketball

:

01:36:17,995 --> 01:36:20,065

gym, they had banners made.

:

01:36:20,065 --> 01:36:24,025

Like, I, I thought the details

were pretty on point too, so

:

01:36:24,025 --> 01:36:26,035

I'm impressed with this 21 days.

:

01:36:26,695 --> 01:36:29,544

Zo: Yeah, they, they definitely,

uh, they cranked it out.

:

01:36:30,174 --> 01:36:31,554

They did extremely well.

:

01:36:32,785 --> 01:36:37,915

Katie: Also, Lisa Boof Marconi

was based on one of the writer's

:

01:36:37,915 --> 01:36:39,205

high school girlfriends.

:

01:36:39,565 --> 01:36:40,825

That was really her name.

:

01:36:41,514 --> 01:36:46,764

It's a good bit of trivia because I

gotta say, I've always wondered, I'm

:

01:36:46,764 --> 01:36:51,684

like, that's really strange, like out

there, but it realistic in a good way.

:

01:36:51,715 --> 01:36:52,014

Like

:

01:36:52,705 --> 01:36:53,155

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:36:53,184 --> 01:36:53,395

Yeah.

:

01:36:53,395 --> 01:36:54,264

It's someone's name.

:

01:36:54,270 --> 01:36:54,670

Katie: It felt

:

01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:55,150

Zo: right.

:

01:36:55,210 --> 01:36:56,485

It felt authentic.

:

01:36:56,485 --> 01:36:56,495

Yeah.

:

01:36:56,495 --> 01:36:58,975

Like, it's like, like who's Boof?

:

01:36:58,975 --> 01:36:59,275

Right.

:

01:36:59,335 --> 01:37:02,094

And it sounds like it would

be a childhood name that that

:

01:37:02,094 --> 01:37:03,594

carries over into adulthood.

:

01:37:03,925 --> 01:37:08,215

And you could tell that because like he

and Styles calls her booth that they've

:

01:37:08,215 --> 01:37:09,625

been friends for a very long time.

:

01:37:09,684 --> 01:37:09,775

Mm-hmm.

:

01:37:10,014 --> 01:37:11,550

Because not just anybody

that's gonna call her booth.

:

01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:12,350

Good point.

:

01:37:13,315 --> 01:37:16,795

And that was, that was, I really

liked that, that it really

:

01:37:16,795 --> 01:37:18,175

made the movie feel authentic.

:

01:37:18,235 --> 01:37:21,325

And now we see that it

came from a real place.

:

01:37:22,135 --> 01:37:22,525

Katie: Agreed.

:

01:37:24,085 --> 01:37:30,055

Zo: Susan Orit, who played Booth, had

only made one movie before this zapped,

:

01:37:30,205 --> 01:37:35,725

:

Weissman saw her in that film and they

:

01:37:35,725 --> 01:37:38,094

knew they wanted her for this role.

:

01:37:39,085 --> 01:37:41,005

So yeah, she, she put out some good work.

:

01:37:41,365 --> 01:37:42,115

Katie: Wow.

:

01:37:42,385 --> 01:37:45,144

Additionally, when she slapped Michael J.

:

01:37:45,145 --> 01:37:47,844

Fox, she did it too hard at first.

:

01:37:47,934 --> 01:37:52,375

And Rod Daniel had to explain

what a softer stage slap was.

:

01:37:52,375 --> 01:37:55,075

So she clearly wasn't

very experienced actress.

:

01:37:55,344 --> 01:37:56,155

But that's interesting.

:

01:37:56,245 --> 01:37:56,735

Right, right, right.

:

01:37:57,175 --> 01:37:59,844

Zo: Well there are certain skills

that you have to learn over time.

:

01:37:59,875 --> 01:38:00,115

both: Yep.

:

01:38:00,295 --> 01:38:03,895

Zo: Now, uh, now since we're talking

about this, you mentioned that

:

01:38:03,895 --> 01:38:05,635

you listened to the Jaws episode.

:

01:38:05,635 --> 01:38:05,725

Mm-hmm.

:

01:38:05,965 --> 01:38:08,455

And I think that you'll

remember that there was an

:

01:38:08,455 --> 01:38:10,675

actor on Jaws that had to slap.

:

01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:12,880

Uh, what's his name?

:

01:38:12,885 --> 01:38:14,200

The, the jaws dude.

:

01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:15,190

It was like the mother of

:

01:38:15,190 --> 01:38:16,465

Katie: the boy that was

killed or something.

:

01:38:16,465 --> 01:38:16,655

Right.

:

01:38:16,660 --> 01:38:17,110

The mother of

:

01:38:17,110 --> 01:38:21,250

Zo: the boy that had drowned and she

slapped the sheriff and she didn't know

:

01:38:21,250 --> 01:38:24,400

how to slap, so she slapped him for real.

:

01:38:24,730 --> 01:38:26,290

And they had to do several takes of him.

:

01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,910

Katie: A face slap

Probably would hurt too.

:

01:38:30,969 --> 01:38:31,330

Yeah.

:

01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:31,630

Zo: Yes.

:

01:38:31,965 --> 01:38:32,255

Yeah.

:

01:38:32,434 --> 01:38:33,850

She did not stage slap him.

:

01:38:33,850 --> 01:38:35,350

She slapped Roy Schneider.

:

01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:38,830

Uh, Roy Schneider was

slapped like several times.

:

01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:39,160

Oh man.

:

01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:42,730

By that woman, because she also

did not know how to stage slap.

:

01:38:46,180 --> 01:38:53,200

But here's, here's also, uh, it's, it

should be noted that the person getting

:

01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:55,600

slapped has to sell the slap as well.

:

01:38:55,809 --> 01:38:59,620

So it's not like you can just slap

a person that the, the pain of being

:

01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,370

like for one thing, the person who's

doing the punching has to pull their

:

01:39:03,370 --> 01:39:09,250

punch and then the person being

punched has to express the pain of

:

01:39:09,250 --> 01:39:10,835

being punched or slapped or hit.

:

01:39:10,835 --> 01:39:11,035

Mm-hmm.

:

01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:11,620

Or whatever.

:

01:39:11,950 --> 01:39:15,550

So this is a lesson that most

professional wrestlers know.

:

01:39:17,475 --> 01:39:18,035

I would bet.

:

01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:19,389

I would bet, yeah.

:

01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:24,340

Perhaps some time in, in the ring for

some actors will, will teach them how,

:

01:39:24,340 --> 01:39:27,100

how to do physical contact for the screen.

:

01:39:27,969 --> 01:39:30,370

So that's, that's my little tangent.

:

01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:31,750

So moving right along.

:

01:39:32,544 --> 01:39:36,955

Fox disliked this film so much that

he refused to return for the sequel

:

01:39:37,375 --> 01:39:41,365

and an interview at the time while

back to the future was in production.

:

01:39:41,365 --> 01:39:45,625

He laminated Steven Spielberg's

down the street making great

:

01:39:45,625 --> 01:39:48,025

movies, and I'm playing a werewolf.

:

01:39:51,834 --> 01:39:56,334

Katie: I don't, um, oh, so a have you

seen the sequel with Jason Bateman?

:

01:39:56,544 --> 01:39:57,684

Zo: No, I have not.

:

01:39:57,775 --> 01:40:00,264

Katie: I haven't either, but I

hear it's like not nearly as good.

:

01:40:00,924 --> 01:40:03,415

Um, so it does make sense.

:

01:40:03,474 --> 01:40:06,504

That's why he didn't return

for the sequel, but Right.

:

01:40:06,504 --> 01:40:10,165

To me, I kind of dislike when I

hear these things a little bit.

:

01:40:10,195 --> 01:40:16,794

Um, it, I don't know, it's kind

of, it just irks me a little bit.

:

01:40:16,794 --> 01:40:21,894

Like you might feel that way, but

don't, you're kind of ruining the,

:

01:40:21,894 --> 01:40:27,625

um, the experience for us moviegoers

if the actor themselves, it's like,

:

01:40:27,625 --> 01:40:29,304

ah, it's a crap movie, you know?

:

01:40:29,365 --> 01:40:29,724

Zo: Right.

:

01:40:30,355 --> 01:40:30,684

Yeah.

:

01:40:30,684 --> 01:40:35,065

As a matter of fact, I just did a

movie, an officer and a gentleman

:

01:40:35,544 --> 01:40:41,304

and, uh, the main actress,

the main, uh, co screen star.

:

01:40:41,304 --> 01:40:44,304

What do you, what do you call these

people the best supporting that?

:

01:40:44,304 --> 01:40:45,115

The supporting actress, the leading

:

01:40:45,115 --> 01:40:46,940

Katie: actress in it, or,

yeah, the leading actress.

:

01:40:46,940 --> 01:40:47,575

Zo: Thank you.

:

01:40:47,575 --> 01:40:48,355

That's what I'm looking for.

:

01:40:48,355 --> 01:40:51,025

The leading actress, I can't remember

her name, but she didn't like that

:

01:40:51,025 --> 01:40:53,334

movie either, and she won't even

acknowledge that she was in it.

:

01:40:53,605 --> 01:40:54,655

Like she really,

:

01:40:55,705 --> 01:40:56,004

Katie: um, yeah.

:

01:40:56,004 --> 01:40:56,605

It's, it's weird.

:

01:40:56,605 --> 01:40:59,125

I, yeah, like Sylvester Stallone.

:

01:40:59,860 --> 01:41:02,469

You know, I'm a huge fan of his,

but he's always, I don't like it

:

01:41:02,469 --> 01:41:07,000

when he talks about the movies

because of, you know, every actor.

:

01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,610

I mean, Robert De Niro, he,

he does some crap movies too.

:

01:41:09,610 --> 01:41:11,980

I mean, that's just kind of

the way that it goes sometimes.

:

01:41:11,980 --> 01:41:12,490

And, uh

:

01:41:12,610 --> 01:41:12,969

music: Right.

:

01:41:13,150 --> 01:41:17,050

Katie: Or sometimes people take paycheck

movies, but just keep it yourself.

:

01:41:17,110 --> 01:41:18,670

Let us, let us enjoy the movie.

:

01:41:18,670 --> 01:41:18,940

Yeah,

:

01:41:19,330 --> 01:41:20,260

Zo: yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:41:20,260 --> 01:41:21,730

Keep, keep the illusion up.

:

01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:22,490

Katie: Yes.

:

01:41:22,535 --> 01:41:23,230

That, yes.

:

01:41:23,230 --> 01:41:24,429

That's a better way of putting it.

:

01:41:25,269 --> 01:41:26,200

Zo: Right, right, right.

:

01:41:26,410 --> 01:41:30,460

Katie: Um, so Fox's Double was,

uh, his name is Jeff Glosser, who

:

01:41:30,460 --> 01:41:31,900

was a college basketball player.

:

01:41:31,900 --> 01:41:36,250

At the time, Fox and Glosser couldn't

eat solid food while in makeup.

:

01:41:36,250 --> 01:41:38,530

They had to eat, uh, milkshakes and soup.

:

01:41:39,130 --> 01:41:39,940

That's interesting.

:

01:41:39,940 --> 01:41:40,000

Yeah.

:

01:41:40,330 --> 01:41:42,750

It's very clear that, that Michael J.

:

01:41:42,750 --> 01:41:45,400

Fox doesn't know how to play

basketball in his scenes.

:

01:41:45,639 --> 01:41:47,170

And then when he is the wolf Yeah.

:

01:41:47,170 --> 01:41:50,170

It's like, oh, it's very much

a different person altogether.

:

01:41:50,170 --> 01:41:50,349

Yeah.

:

01:41:50,349 --> 01:41:50,410

Yeah.

:

01:41:51,340 --> 01:41:52,785

Zo: He's very good at, mm-hmm.

:

01:41:53,170 --> 01:41:54,790

At playing va He's doing all the tricks.

:

01:41:54,940 --> 01:41:55,059

Yeah.

:

01:41:55,059 --> 01:41:57,190

He's spinning the

basketball on his finger.

:

01:41:57,429 --> 01:41:59,019

He's doing no look passes.

:

01:41:59,019 --> 01:42:00,700

He's, uh, passing behind his back.

:

01:42:00,700 --> 01:42:01,330

He's doing dunks.

:

01:42:01,330 --> 01:42:02,800

He's doing all the things.

:

01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,500

He's very good when he's the wolf.

:

01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:11,740

So, since this movie was released

after Back to the Future in Brazil,

:

01:42:12,190 --> 01:42:19,150

teen Wolf received the title Alto

De Fu, or Boy from the Future.

:

01:42:19,690 --> 01:42:26,139

There, even though the plot has nothing

to do with time travel whatsoever.

:

01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:34,809

Katie: And in a similar way, uh, the

Italian version, uh, the title is Lia

:

01:42:34,809 --> 01:42:40,900

di Re, which translates to Desire to

Win, was, uh, released in Italy short

:

01:42:40,900 --> 01:42:42,910

also shortly after Back to the Future.

:

01:42:42,910 --> 01:42:45,400

And so due to this, the

character's name was Scott.

:

01:42:45,849 --> 01:42:49,780

Um, or the, the character's name

in the movie that we know is Scott,

:

01:42:49,780 --> 01:42:53,320

but they changed it to Marty,

the same name as Michael j Foxx's

:

01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:55,570

character in the Robert Zi Zaki film.

:

01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:56,170

So

:

01:42:56,710 --> 01:42:57,080

Zo: Right, right.

:

01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:57,804

So capitalizing

:

01:42:58,105 --> 01:43:01,929

Katie: on the popularity of the

original or the more popular film.

:

01:43:02,290 --> 01:43:03,549

Zo: Right, right, right.

:

01:43:03,820 --> 01:43:08,650

And here's the thing, you know,

teen Wolff did well, so it's, so,

:

01:43:08,650 --> 01:43:10,660

I I guess it's smart walking part.

:

01:43:10,660 --> 01:43:10,700

That's a good point.

:

01:43:10,929 --> 01:43:12,429

Katie: That's actually

a really good point.

:

01:43:12,519 --> 01:43:12,969

Hmm.

:

01:43:13,780 --> 01:43:14,530

Zo: Right, right.

:

01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:18,700

I mean, it wasn't a $300 million

movie, but it it did well for its

:

01:43:18,700 --> 01:43:23,019

budget and for the type of movie it

was, it was, it, it did extremely.

:

01:43:23,019 --> 01:43:25,030

Especially against Back to the Future.

:

01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:26,830

I mean, that was just a monster.

:

01:43:26,830 --> 01:43:26,889

Yeah.

:

01:43:27,099 --> 01:43:28,299

Like how do you follow that up?

:

01:43:28,299 --> 01:43:29,380

You can't follow that up.

:

01:43:29,380 --> 01:43:29,875

You can't, no.

:

01:43:29,875 --> 01:43:30,075

Right.

:

01:43:30,855 --> 01:43:33,639

Katie: You, that's, you know,

those are, uh, like lightning

:

01:43:33,639 --> 01:43:35,110

in a bottle type situations.

:

01:43:35,184 --> 01:43:35,474

Yeah.

:

01:43:35,530 --> 01:43:35,830

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:43:36,190 --> 01:43:40,000

The only way you can follow up back to

the future is back to the future part two.

:

01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:40,480

Right,

:

01:43:40,839 --> 01:43:41,440

Katie: exactly.

:

01:43:44,170 --> 01:43:44,469

Zo: So.

:

01:43:45,130 --> 01:43:48,639

Loeb and Weissman interviewed

several directors for the movie.

:

01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:51,460

They asked the directors what

they thought the movie was about.

:

01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,650

Mo said it was about a werewolf.

:

01:43:54,130 --> 01:43:58,030

Rod Daniel was the only one who

said it was about a father and son.

:

01:43:58,180 --> 01:44:01,180

He got the job, and he's exactly right.

:

01:44:01,210 --> 01:44:04,240

There was, as a matter of

fact, this could have used some

:

01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:05,469

more father and son moments.

:

01:44:05,469 --> 01:44:06,010

It was great.

:

01:44:06,014 --> 01:44:10,930

It, it al almost got weird that the

father was playing basketball with

:

01:44:11,620 --> 01:44:13,480

his son's prospective girlfriend.

:

01:44:13,570 --> 01:44:14,740

Like to the day's eyes.

:

01:44:14,740 --> 01:44:16,059

That's like, uh, I don't know.

:

01:44:16,059 --> 01:44:16,450

That's good.

:

01:44:16,450 --> 01:44:21,580

It's a little bit, it can be cringey

to some people, but uh, back in

:

01:44:21,580 --> 01:44:23,290

those days, totally acceptable.

:

01:44:23,650 --> 01:44:26,920

Katie: Also, I did, for

me, it, it was helpful.

:

01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,410

I can see what you're saying that

some people would look on and we

:

01:44:29,410 --> 01:44:32,290

can't put today's standards on

old movie, you know, yada yada.

:

01:44:32,469 --> 01:44:37,450

But I have found it really endearing

in that it shows us that they grew

:

01:44:37,450 --> 01:44:41,200

up like, um, she's basically like

another daughter to him because

:

01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:42,760

they grew up on the same block.

:

01:44:43,150 --> 01:44:44,980

So the Mr.

:

01:44:44,980 --> 01:44:47,770

Howard has known Booth

since she was a little girl.

:

01:44:48,309 --> 01:44:48,550

Right.

:

01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:50,980

And is sort of like, it's

like a father figure.

:

01:44:51,025 --> 01:44:51,375

Right?

:

01:44:51,490 --> 01:44:51,880

Right.

:

01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:52,330

Absolutely.

:

01:44:52,455 --> 01:44:52,735

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:44:52,780 --> 01:44:53,139

Yeah.

:

01:44:53,350 --> 01:44:54,070

Absolutely.

:

01:44:55,405 --> 01:45:00,294

Katie: Uh, rod Daniel voiced all of the

growls in the movie, which I didn't know.

:

01:45:00,294 --> 01:45:01,554

That's an interesting bit of trivia.

:

01:45:01,554 --> 01:45:04,134

And he, he joked and

I didn't get a nickel.

:

01:45:04,884 --> 01:45:05,394

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:45:05,514 --> 01:45:08,995

Uh, that was, that's really the only dig

as far as special effects I would give

:

01:45:08,995 --> 01:45:12,894

to this movie, because it sounds more

like somebody revving up a motorcycle

:

01:45:13,134 --> 01:45:17,124

that I've always felt that way about,

about Back to the Future, where the

:

01:45:17,124 --> 01:45:23,065

growls sounded like somebody was, uh,

like tuning up a bike rather than it,

:

01:45:23,124 --> 01:45:23,665

Katie: you're right.

:

01:45:23,665 --> 01:45:27,624

It doesn't sound like an actual

growl, and the red eyes are like, not

:

01:45:27,624 --> 01:45:29,155

the best effect, but you know what?

:

01:45:29,155 --> 01:45:30,565

It's:

:

01:45:30,565 --> 01:45:32,514

The growl doesn't sound like a real growl.

:

01:45:32,575 --> 01:45:32,905

Yeah.

:

01:45:32,995 --> 01:45:33,264

Zo: Right.

:

01:45:33,264 --> 01:45:33,535

Yeah.

:

01:45:33,629 --> 01:45:37,570

All, all the red eyes, all the glowing

eyes look about the same mm-hmm.

:

01:45:37,650 --> 01:45:38,490

In:

:

01:45:38,839 --> 01:45:39,129

Yeah.

:

01:45:39,129 --> 01:45:39,410

Good point.

:

01:45:39,410 --> 01:45:39,769

Good point.

:

01:45:39,769 --> 01:45:43,644

Point:

:

01:45:43,644 --> 01:45:44,874

Oh, what am I saying?

:

01:45:44,874 --> 01:45:48,445

Harold Howard, tell Scott, with great

power comes great responsibility.

:

01:45:48,445 --> 01:45:49,115

We talked about this earlier.

:

01:45:49,115 --> 01:45:49,349

Mm-hmm.

:

01:45:49,644 --> 01:45:53,304

Which is in an expression, usually

associated with Spider-Man screenwriter,

:

01:45:53,304 --> 01:45:57,655

Jeff Lowe was also a comic book

writer and wrote Spider-Man comics.

:

01:45:59,334 --> 01:46:00,745

Katie: Yeah, that does make sense.

:

01:46:00,745 --> 01:46:03,535

Given, given the, the comic book writer.

:

01:46:03,985 --> 01:46:06,554

Um, the project came

together when Michael J.

:

01:46:06,554 --> 01:46:10,134

Fox accepted the lead role, and

we talked about this earlier too.

:

01:46:10,134 --> 01:46:13,344

So his, his, he was on family ties

and Meredith Baxter, who plays

:

01:46:13,344 --> 01:46:15,205

his mom on that show was pregnant.

:

01:46:15,384 --> 01:46:20,424

So that created a delay, which

opened up a, you know, uh, a

:

01:46:20,424 --> 01:46:23,695

time in the, uh, filming of that

series for him to do this movie.

:

01:46:24,535 --> 01:46:25,525

Zo: Right, right, right.

:

01:46:26,005 --> 01:46:29,665

So that protection for family ties

probably took a couple of months off.

:

01:46:30,175 --> 01:46:31,370

So like a last, and it only

:

01:46:31,370 --> 01:46:33,690

Katie: took a couple weeks

to film, so there you go.

:

01:46:33,690 --> 01:46:33,889

Yeah,

:

01:46:33,889 --> 01:46:34,290

Zo: yeah, yeah.

:

01:46:34,630 --> 01:46:36,325

The, the last two trimesters.

:

01:46:36,385 --> 01:46:38,934

So while they was taking

that break, uh, Fox Good.

:

01:46:39,115 --> 01:46:41,905

And it was funny, right, because what

they usually do is that they'll film

:

01:46:41,905 --> 01:46:45,745

White up until the moment where they

can't hide the pregnancy anymore, and

:

01:46:45,745 --> 01:46:47,605

then they'll take a break or whatever.

:

01:46:47,605 --> 01:46:50,605

And some shows just, they'll

just put something in front

:

01:46:50,605 --> 01:46:51,955

of the woman all of the time.

:

01:46:52,135 --> 01:46:52,915

It's hilarious.

:

01:46:52,915 --> 01:46:54,385

Katie: I actually think that's so funny.

:

01:46:54,385 --> 01:46:56,695

The nanny does that when Cece's pregnant.

:

01:46:56,695 --> 01:46:56,755

Yeah.

:

01:46:56,755 --> 01:47:00,775

And they even, it's, it's very meta

because they poke fun at it in the show.

:

01:47:00,775 --> 01:47:01,075

Right.

:

01:47:01,434 --> 01:47:01,705

Yeah.

:

01:47:01,705 --> 01:47:03,415

I kind of think it's

funny when shows do that.

:

01:47:03,925 --> 01:47:05,035

Zo: Yeah, absolutely.

:

01:47:05,605 --> 01:47:10,405

Jerry Levine said that this decades

later, he's still known all over

:

01:47:10,405 --> 01:47:11,905

the world for playing styles.

:

01:47:12,264 --> 01:47:17,755

One time a fan of the film recognized

him at the Western Wall in Jerusalem,

:

01:47:18,385 --> 01:47:19,825

so yeah, all over the world.

:

01:47:21,115 --> 01:47:22,045

Katie: That's crazy.

:

01:47:22,615 --> 01:47:25,795

It was really Jerry Levine

on, on top of the van.

:

01:47:25,795 --> 01:47:29,605

So we were talking about the, the

van surfing and it was really Jerry

:

01:47:29,605 --> 01:47:31,525

Levine's styles on top of the van.

:

01:47:31,525 --> 01:47:33,055

It was not a stunt man.

:

01:47:33,295 --> 01:47:36,415

He was secured with a wire that

ran through the van's roof up

:

01:47:36,415 --> 01:47:37,975

his pants, and around his waist.

:

01:47:38,245 --> 01:47:39,355

That's pretty cool.

:

01:47:39,505 --> 01:47:40,315

Zo: Absolutely.

:

01:47:41,605 --> 01:47:42,380

So up next.

:

01:47:43,615 --> 01:47:45,700

James Hampton who played Mr.

:

01:47:45,700 --> 01:47:50,184

Howard, asked Rod Daniel for

help defining his character.

:

01:47:50,184 --> 01:47:52,075

Remember Rod Daniel is the director.

:

01:47:52,434 --> 01:47:57,085

Daniel told him, he's a guy who

knows how to make a casserole.

:

01:47:57,504 --> 01:47:57,775

Right.

:

01:48:00,985 --> 01:48:02,424

Katie: I, that's, that's funny.

:

01:48:02,424 --> 01:48:04,615

But it really does kind of do the trick.

:

01:48:04,615 --> 01:48:05,514

Zo: Right, right, right.

:

01:48:05,514 --> 01:48:08,275

He's, uh, and then you see him

doing, he's the mundane guy,

:

01:48:08,365 --> 01:48:10,045

like he's doing his taxes.

:

01:48:10,045 --> 01:48:15,804

He's, uh, I don't, he's caring

and supportive of Scott is

:

01:48:15,804 --> 01:48:17,275

like, he's always, he's.

:

01:48:18,025 --> 01:48:23,155

He always lets Scotts know, even when

he is angry at Scott, he's not like

:

01:48:23,455 --> 01:48:28,705

Scott was, uh, surfing on the van in

his werewolf form you like, like being

:

01:48:28,705 --> 01:48:33,235

a total clown when he's supposed to be

working with his father at the hardware

:

01:48:33,235 --> 01:48:36,985

store and how it's like, you know,

just don't let it get it outta control.

:

01:48:36,985 --> 01:48:38,304

Don't let it get it out of pocket.

:

01:48:38,304 --> 01:48:43,915

You know, it's like, so he, he's

that type of dad and uh, that,

:

01:48:43,915 --> 01:48:48,115

that's pretty endearing and he,

he knows how to make a casserole.

:

01:48:48,445 --> 01:48:52,525

I know how to make a cheesecake

and I just made one last night,

:

01:48:52,764 --> 01:48:54,565

so I'm eager to figure out.

:

01:48:54,594 --> 01:48:55,375

Katie: Wow.

:

01:48:55,705 --> 01:48:55,945

Zo: Uh,

:

01:48:56,665 --> 01:48:57,505

Katie: that's impressive.

:

01:48:57,505 --> 01:49:02,485

Zo: Yeah, it's, well, cheesecake by

itself is not that difficult to do, and,

:

01:49:02,485 --> 01:49:06,925

and a lot of people, they do no baked

cheesecake, which makes it even easier.

:

01:49:07,195 --> 01:49:10,675

But what I did is I followed

a recipe outta this magazine

:

01:49:10,675 --> 01:49:12,385

that I, I never threw away.

:

01:49:12,894 --> 01:49:15,804

And in this particular recipe, it's

like the cheesecake and then you gotta

:

01:49:15,804 --> 01:49:20,365

put the, uh, sour cream on top and

it's all this other kind of stuff.

:

01:49:20,365 --> 01:49:21,655

It, it was way more.

:

01:49:22,465 --> 01:49:24,894

Complicated than I was

prepared for that night.

:

01:49:24,894 --> 01:49:28,705

I was like, oh my God, I, I have to stay

up way later than what I'm supposed to.

:

01:49:28,705 --> 01:49:30,415

So, uh, I didn't finish.

:

01:49:30,415 --> 01:49:33,985

Katie: Is it for something like,

do you have an event to go to that

:

01:49:33,985 --> 01:49:36,655

you're supposed to bring dessert

or is this for your own enjoyment?

:

01:49:36,655 --> 01:49:36,925

No, it's,

:

01:49:36,925 --> 01:49:37,764

Zo: it's for an event.

:

01:49:37,825 --> 01:49:43,675

Uh, my family is doing a little party

for, uh, what Memorial Day, so I Oh, fun.

:

01:49:43,675 --> 01:49:46,555

And, uh, this is a segment of the

family that don't know that I can cook.

:

01:49:46,825 --> 01:49:48,985

So, or I have an affinity for it.

:

01:49:48,985 --> 01:49:53,215

I don't wanna say that I'm some great

cook, but I, I, I, I know how to follow

:

01:49:53,215 --> 01:49:54,505

directions, let's put it that way.

:

01:49:54,969 --> 01:49:55,190

So

:

01:49:56,905 --> 01:49:57,309

Katie: That's so funny.

:

01:49:57,309 --> 01:50:00,865

I've always said, so I am

like kind of the opposite.

:

01:50:00,894 --> 01:50:05,065

I, in that yes, I can read, therefore

I can follow directions and, and do,

:

01:50:05,094 --> 01:50:07,315

and, uh, make something from a recipe.

:

01:50:07,675 --> 01:50:13,555

But I, to your point about it being more

complicated, I am so not domestic at all,

:

01:50:13,615 --> 01:50:17,575

and anytime somebody's like, oh, I'll be

like, I'll compliment them on something

:

01:50:17,575 --> 01:50:20,575

they made and they say, oh, it's so easy.

:

01:50:20,575 --> 01:50:21,775

You just do this and this.

:

01:50:21,775 --> 01:50:23,815

And then I'm like, after

two steps you've lost.

:

01:50:23,815 --> 01:50:25,150

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

:

01:50:25,219 --> 01:50:25,510

Yeah.

:

01:50:25,975 --> 01:50:29,575

See, I'm very simple with, I,

I'm just, I don't have that.

:

01:50:30,264 --> 01:50:30,865

Gene, right?

:

01:50:30,865 --> 01:50:33,535

I, for domestic things,

like I'm not a good,

:

01:50:33,594 --> 01:50:33,985

Zo: right?

:

01:50:34,165 --> 01:50:34,344

Yeah.

:

01:50:34,344 --> 01:50:37,585

And this is, and the, it was kind

of challenging because it's like,

:

01:50:38,155 --> 01:50:41,215

um, every time I've made it, it,

there's always been something that

:

01:50:41,215 --> 01:50:44,455

I messed up on because even though

I think that I can follow directions

:

01:50:44,725 --> 01:50:49,165

I have, I'm constantly, I'm reading

the, the recipe over and over again.

:

01:50:49,285 --> 01:50:50,394

Just constantly weeding it.

:

01:50:50,394 --> 01:50:50,485

Yes.

:

01:50:50,665 --> 01:50:54,355

It's like, because I'm afraid that, like,

I'll look at it and it just says like,

:

01:50:54,355 --> 01:50:56,995

one half teaspoon of sugar or whatever.

:

01:50:57,175 --> 01:51:02,155

So I get the one, and then I'll go turn

away from the recipe, and then immediately

:

01:51:02,155 --> 01:51:04,344

I'm like, so how much sugar did I need?

:

01:51:04,465 --> 01:51:06,684

I go back to the recipes,

one half teaspoon.

:

01:51:06,835 --> 01:51:08,394

I go back, I forget immediately.

:

01:51:08,514 --> 01:51:13,285

So that's like, technically I know how

to follow directions, but do I really?

:

01:51:13,465 --> 01:51:13,675

Right.

:

01:51:15,325 --> 01:51:18,415

Katie: And that's why I can,

like, I concoct all the time

:

01:51:18,415 --> 01:51:19,915

because I just throw stuff in.

:

01:51:20,005 --> 01:51:20,184

Right.

:

01:51:20,305 --> 01:51:22,165

But you can't really do that with baking.

:

01:51:22,165 --> 01:51:23,725

And I'm, I guess I'm too lazy.

:

01:51:23,725 --> 01:51:25,315

I'm, I don't, I'm like,

ah, it's good enough.

:

01:51:25,315 --> 01:51:25,585

Right.

:

01:51:25,585 --> 01:51:26,370

You know what,

:

01:51:26,830 --> 01:51:27,050

Zo: I'm

:

01:51:27,205 --> 01:51:28,525

Katie: cup ish of whatever.

:

01:51:28,525 --> 01:51:28,764

Right.

:

01:51:28,825 --> 01:51:31,495

Zo: What I'm learning is

baking is very specific.

:

01:51:31,495 --> 01:51:32,969

Like if it's, if it's something, yes.

:

01:51:32,995 --> 01:51:36,655

If you're frying or boiling or

something like that, you can,

:

01:51:36,655 --> 01:51:38,245

you can be rather, you know.

:

01:51:39,174 --> 01:51:40,105

Inspired with it.

:

01:51:40,105 --> 01:51:42,804

You can, you can, you can do whatever.

:

01:51:42,985 --> 01:51:44,485

Katie: Basing requires precision.

:

01:51:44,485 --> 01:51:44,755

Yeah,

:

01:51:44,815 --> 01:51:45,054

Zo: yeah.

:

01:51:45,054 --> 01:51:45,745

Absolutely.

:

01:51:45,745 --> 01:51:45,865

Right.

:

01:51:45,865 --> 01:51:50,875

So, uh, I mean, not in as much as

like adding too much of one thing

:

01:51:50,875 --> 01:51:54,865

or not enough of another, but as a

matter of how long you bake something,

:

01:51:55,134 --> 01:52:01,195

like with cookies, uh, you can bake

something, uh, a cookie for too long

:

01:52:01,195 --> 01:52:05,934

and it's too crunchy or it becomes

crunchy over time where you not break

:

01:52:05,934 --> 01:52:08,514

it enough and it's too soft and gooey.

:

01:52:08,514 --> 01:52:10,344

It's like, it's, it's all of these things.

:

01:52:10,674 --> 01:52:13,585

So yeah, it's, it's,

it's a, it's a big deal.

:

01:52:13,945 --> 01:52:14,214

So

:

01:52:15,835 --> 01:52:17,844

Katie: you're making me

hungry, so I have to move on.

:

01:52:18,565 --> 01:52:18,594

Right, right, right.

:

01:52:18,594 --> 01:52:19,389

Bad, I that too.

:

01:52:19,394 --> 01:52:22,495

Uh, so no, I, that's, I

love, I'm I like a tangent.

:

01:52:22,495 --> 01:52:22,615

Right.

:

01:52:22,705 --> 01:52:27,955

Uh, so Styles, styles played

by Jerry Levine wears num.

:

01:52:28,014 --> 01:52:29,815

Oh, here's where we would

talk about his outfits.

:

01:52:29,815 --> 01:52:29,875

Yeah.

:

01:52:29,905 --> 01:52:33,174

He wears numerous humorous,

humorous t-shirts in the movie.

:

01:52:33,505 --> 01:52:34,915

They appear in the following order.

:

01:52:35,394 --> 01:52:38,844

One a yellow shirt that says,

life sucks, then you die.

:

01:52:38,844 --> 01:52:42,955

And I do recall that being like

the first shirt he wears two blue.

:

01:52:42,955 --> 01:52:46,075

It's a blue shirt that

says Obnoxious the movie.

:

01:52:46,165 --> 01:52:46,974

I remember that one.

:

01:52:47,214 --> 01:52:52,344

The third one is a black shirt that

says, uh, what are you looking at?

:

01:52:52,344 --> 01:52:55,405

Dick knows, I don't even remember that.

:

01:52:55,405 --> 01:52:56,394

But I like that phrase.

:

01:52:56,455 --> 01:52:57,835

And then the fourth one.

:

01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:02,080

Uh, a gray drunken State Florida shirt.

:

01:53:02,230 --> 01:53:05,800

The fifth one is a white shirt

that says Wolf Buddy on it.

:

01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:09,070

And of all the shirts he wears,

only two of them, uh, appear

:

01:53:09,070 --> 01:53:10,480

to not have text on them.

:

01:53:10,630 --> 01:53:10,719

music: Right.

:

01:53:10,930 --> 01:53:12,400

Katie: Also, I noticed his pants.

:

01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:16,480

He has very like, colorful, it's

not just jeans, but he has like

:

01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:17,889

colorful pants that he wears.

:

01:53:18,190 --> 01:53:19,450

It's a, it's a good character.

:

01:53:19,450 --> 01:53:20,170

This styles, right?

:

01:53:20,170 --> 01:53:21,820

He's, he's got some fashion and it

:

01:53:21,820 --> 01:53:26,380

Zo: should be noticed that Styles has his

own style, but his name is not spelled

:

01:53:26,469 --> 01:53:32,830

like S-T-Y-L-E, it's S-T-I-L-E-S style.

:

01:53:32,830 --> 01:53:34,570

So that's his real name.

:

01:53:34,930 --> 01:53:37,960

But it seems like that

also informs his character.

:

01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:43,180

So he is, and I, I, it's funny

'cause as many times that I has that

:

01:53:43,180 --> 01:53:47,380

I've watched this movie, I never

realized or never read his t-shirts.

:

01:53:47,380 --> 01:53:51,219

It's only when I this watching,

this particular viewing that

:

01:53:51,219 --> 01:53:52,570

I started reading is t-shirts.

:

01:53:52,570 --> 01:53:55,420

'cause now I'm like looking

at more details nowadays.

:

01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:55,930

Mm-hmm.

:

01:53:56,170 --> 01:53:58,750

And that's when I first noticed

that life sucks and then you die.

:

01:53:58,750 --> 01:54:03,070

And then I noticed the, uh, the

other, uh, I, I saw the, when he wore

:

01:54:03,070 --> 01:54:06,309

the obnoxious t-shirt, but I didn't

realize it said obnoxious the movie.

:

01:54:06,700 --> 01:54:10,809

And then, uh, the last one I noticed when

he was in the classroom, he was wearing

:

01:54:11,110 --> 01:54:13,480

the dick, the uh, dick nose t-shirt.

:

01:54:13,480 --> 01:54:15,275

So they, those are so funny.

:

01:54:15,285 --> 01:54:15,635

Funny.

:

01:54:15,635 --> 01:54:15,844

That's funny.

:

01:54:15,940 --> 01:54:18,519

So yeah, it's, and that

was actually impressive.

:

01:54:18,519 --> 01:54:21,130

It was like that, that'd be a

t-shirt that I'd like to wear.

:

01:54:23,139 --> 01:54:23,950

Katie: They are funny.

:

01:54:23,950 --> 01:54:27,040

And it, to your point about

there are so many things.

:

01:54:27,820 --> 01:54:31,990

Just given, uh, that you have a

podcast about old movies and so you

:

01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:35,110

rewatch them with a different lens.

:

01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:37,870

You notice so many things, right.

:

01:54:37,870 --> 01:54:41,080

That you didn't notice watching

a movie however many times

:

01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:42,130

you've previously seen it.

:

01:54:42,130 --> 01:54:42,400

Yeah,

:

01:54:42,430 --> 01:54:43,269

Zo: absolutely.

:

01:54:44,260 --> 01:54:49,719

So according to Rod Daniel, when

Tess Audiences first saw Scott's

:

01:54:49,719 --> 01:54:53,500

dad as a werewolf, they went insane.

:

01:54:53,950 --> 01:54:58,180

He said the laughter was so loud, it

obliterated the next minute of the film.

:

01:54:58,210 --> 01:55:01,600

Like, yeah, that, like I said, it's,

I feel like that's the best part.

:

01:55:04,990 --> 01:55:06,820

Katie: Well, clearly the

audience thought so too.

:

01:55:06,969 --> 01:55:07,450

That's funny.

:

01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:08,260

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:55:08,260 --> 01:55:08,270

Yeah.

:

01:55:08,889 --> 01:55:09,880

Katie: Those are good tidbits.

:

01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:10,600

I like it.

:

01:55:10,750 --> 01:55:11,080

Zo: Yeah.

:

01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:16,300

Uh, those were, uh, really, I

like it when movies have some

:

01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,130

behind the scenes stories.

:

01:55:18,490 --> 01:55:22,210

A lot of 'em may have like fights

between the director and the producer

:

01:55:22,210 --> 01:55:25,570

and the actor, and some of 'em

have like, where sets burned down.

:

01:55:25,750 --> 01:55:29,290

This one just had some really nice

quirky things that happened in it.

:

01:55:29,860 --> 01:55:32,380

So, and, and only one

person hating the movie,

:

01:55:35,889 --> 01:55:39,100

Katie: only one person that was

outwardly, uh, vocal about it.

:

01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:39,370

Yeah.

:

01:55:39,370 --> 01:55:39,540

Right, right, right.

:

01:55:39,540 --> 01:55:39,805

Yeah.

:

01:55:41,230 --> 01:55:45,309

Zo: So anyway, that's it for the

trivia and up next we're gonna talk

:

01:55:45,309 --> 01:55:46,960

about what the critics thought.

:

01:55:50,500 --> 01:55:51,280

And we're back.

:

01:55:51,460 --> 01:55:54,340

We're gonna talk about what

the critics thought of.

:

01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:55,780

Teen Wolf.

:

01:55:55,900 --> 01:56:00,430

So the critics gave it a 42%

and the audience has it at

:

01:56:00,430 --> 01:56:02,500

a 52% on Rotten Tomatoes.

:

01:56:02,500 --> 01:56:04,960

So not very popular.

:

01:56:05,110 --> 01:56:07,990

When IMDB reviews, it has a 6.1

:

01:56:08,050 --> 01:56:08,770

out of 10.

:

01:56:09,940 --> 01:56:10,630

So yeah, I guess

:

01:56:10,690 --> 01:56:11,710

Katie: that's pretty decent.

:

01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:12,520

6.2

:

01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:13,780

out of ten's pretty decent.

:

01:56:13,780 --> 01:56:13,990

Right?

:

01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:14,830

Zo: Right, right, right,

:

01:56:15,130 --> 01:56:15,370

Katie: right.

:

01:56:15,370 --> 01:56:15,790

It, it's

:

01:56:15,790 --> 01:56:18,760

Zo: comparable somewhat to

the Rotten Tomato score.

:

01:56:19,630 --> 01:56:25,210

And I noticed that, especially

on IMDB reviews, it's, um, it's,

:

01:56:25,330 --> 01:56:30,130

it tends to be lower than the,

the scores on rot tomatoes, but

:

01:56:30,130 --> 01:56:31,630

this one, it's notably higher.

:

01:56:31,630 --> 01:56:33,700

So that's, that's a very

interesting difference.

:

01:56:34,389 --> 01:56:35,469

Katie: It is interesting.

:

01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:42,370

Uh, Dwayne Burge from the Hollywood

Reporter, to his credit, this is what

:

01:56:42,370 --> 01:56:47,770

he says about the movie, he says to his

credit director, rod Daniel has crafted

:

01:56:47,770 --> 01:56:52,750

an amiable teen film and gets a pleasing

performance from Fox in the title role.

:

01:56:52,990 --> 01:56:55,900

Yet Teen Wolf, especially

in the basketball sequences,

:

01:56:56,110 --> 01:56:58,150

loses its dramatic dribble.

:

01:56:59,530 --> 01:57:03,100

I don't think I agree, but

I'm not a movie critic.

:

01:57:03,430 --> 01:57:04,900

You don't have to be a movie critic.

:

01:57:04,900 --> 01:57:05,530

You can have opinions.

:

01:57:06,605 --> 01:57:07,025

You have.

:

01:57:09,460 --> 01:57:11,800

Yeah, I actually really enjoyed

the basketball sequences.

:

01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:11,860

Yeah.

:

01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:12,370

Did you?

:

01:57:12,370 --> 01:57:13,059

I liked

:

01:57:13,150 --> 01:57:16,660

Zo: the, the one when he's the

wolf and he's, you know, showing

:

01:57:16,660 --> 01:57:17,800

off and all this kind of stuff.

:

01:57:17,980 --> 01:57:21,850

And then I like where it builds a

story where he's playing the game by

:

01:57:21,850 --> 01:57:26,530

himself and then the, the teammates

are just like not involved in the game

:

01:57:26,530 --> 01:57:27,550

and they're kind of pissed at him.

:

01:57:27,820 --> 01:57:28,930

So those work well.

:

01:57:29,139 --> 01:57:29,200

Yeah.

:

01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:33,040

The only thing that, um, where it

could have been more dramatic, I

:

01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:36,880

think I mentioned earlier is, uh, at

the end of the film where they, they

:

01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:38,260

probably should have lost that game.

:

01:57:38,260 --> 01:57:39,490

That's all I'm saying.

:

01:57:40,300 --> 01:57:45,850

Or if I can see that another way of doing

it is you show the, the team improving

:

01:57:46,150 --> 01:57:48,430

because, uh, because of his involvement.

:

01:57:48,430 --> 01:57:52,660

So maybe there's something that he's

doing that the team, the rest of the

:

01:57:52,660 --> 01:57:57,969

team is able to improve and then,

but in the process of them improving,

:

01:57:58,240 --> 01:58:01,930

they, they get shut out because he's

being selfish with the basketball.

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He's not sharing the game, but then

when he comes back at the end of

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the movie, he comes back as himself.

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But because the team has prac have

practiced and they've gotten better, then

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it shows that they have progressed and

they, they beat their rivals as themselves

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and not as a team with a werewolf on it.

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So.

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music: Mm-hmm.

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01:58:22,630 --> 01:58:25,809

Zo: I'm just saying that there could

have been some things that would've,

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01:58:26,230 --> 01:58:31,480

uh, like changed the criticism

of this particular, uh, critic.

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Katie: Yeah.

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01:58:32,065 --> 01:58:33,474

Zo: All I'm saying is that I'm

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01:58:33,474 --> 01:58:35,004

Katie: sticking with my thoughts though.

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01:58:35,004 --> 01:58:38,844

The end sequence, even though they

win, which is probably unrealistic,

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01:58:39,294 --> 01:58:41,724

it shows that they are a team.

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I mean, it's not just

Michael JF Michael, J.

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01:58:44,214 --> 01:58:45,325

Fox as Scotty.

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That's good as himself.

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The whole team is like, they're,

they're working as a team unit.

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01:58:50,485 --> 01:58:50,575

Right.

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01:58:50,575 --> 01:58:54,594

And everybody's, I don't know,

I, I, I guess I like the cheese.

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01:58:55,705 --> 01:58:56,995

Zo: It's okay to like cheese.

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01:58:58,915 --> 01:59:06,894

Katie: Um, another one, so RL Schafer from

I-G-N-D-V-D says it's often ridiculous

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01:59:06,894 --> 01:59:11,335

and filled with eighties cheese, but Teen

Wolf does harbor some poignant coming

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01:59:11,335 --> 01:59:15,235

of age metaphors and decent helping of

intentional and unintentional comedy.

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I the, I can get on board with this guy's

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01:59:19,855 --> 01:59:20,155

Zo: review.

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01:59:20,184 --> 01:59:20,795

Right, right, right.

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01:59:21,144 --> 01:59:21,835

I agree.

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So up next is Matt

Bronson from Film Frenzy.

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01:59:27,025 --> 01:59:30,625

He wrote, rather than a wolf

in sheep's clothing, teen wolfs

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01:59:30,894 --> 01:59:35,094

basically a standard eighties

teen flick in Werewolf's clothing.

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You, you could say that.

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01:59:36,955 --> 01:59:38,575

You could, I can understand, yeah.

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The criticism, I don't agree

obviously, but I understand

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01:59:42,714 --> 01:59:43,945

I'm not gonna be bad mm-hmm.

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For saying that.

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01:59:45,955 --> 01:59:46,315

Yep.

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And then Anna Smith from Empire

Magazine wrote Michael J.

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Fox early.

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Like Ken Thro.

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01:59:52,045 --> 01:59:54,264

That's, that's what I like, Andro.

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01:59:54,429 --> 01:59:55,540

That's what I wanted to say.

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01:59:57,219 --> 01:59:58,269

Oh, the word, the word wouldn't come out.

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01:59:58,269 --> 02:00:00,429

It wouldn't come outta me, but

that's the word I was looking for it.

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02:00:01,030 --> 02:00:01,360

Katie: Yep.

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Zo: It's a mouthful.

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Yeah.

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02:00:02,139 --> 02:00:02,469

Yeah.

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02:00:03,639 --> 02:00:08,800

So his early, like Andro comedy doesn't

have the easy charm of his later movie,

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02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:12,759

such as Back to the Future Franchise

or Doc Hollywood, but it's still

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02:00:13,269 --> 02:00:16,030

a diverting enough tale, so, yeah.

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02:00:16,030 --> 02:00:16,300

Yeah.

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02:00:16,300 --> 02:00:18,550

I think I fully agree with this statement.

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02:00:18,610 --> 02:00:20,469

It, it's definitely a cool story.

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02:00:21,009 --> 02:00:24,940

And, and she used the word like

Andro and I, I love that word.

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02:00:27,730 --> 02:00:28,719

Katie: Big word.

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02:00:29,050 --> 02:00:30,910

You can tell she writes

for a newspaper, right?

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02:00:30,910 --> 02:00:31,210

Right.

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02:00:31,665 --> 02:00:31,905

Zo: Absolutely.

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02:00:32,304 --> 02:00:32,545

Absolutely.

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02:00:34,420 --> 02:00:35,019

Katie: Or a magazine.

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02:00:35,019 --> 02:00:35,440

I'm sorry.

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02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:36,190

A magazine,

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02:00:36,219 --> 02:00:36,580

Zo: right?

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02:00:36,759 --> 02:00:37,330

Either way.

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02:00:37,389 --> 02:00:37,660

Right.

:

02:00:38,110 --> 02:00:41,105

She's using her college

degree at check full effect.

:

02:00:41,500 --> 02:00:41,590

both: She's,

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02:00:42,610 --> 02:00:45,880

Zo: so finally, teen Wolf is

as of this recording available

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02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:49,030

on Max, formally HBO Max.

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02:00:49,240 --> 02:00:50,384

How did you watch this movie?

:

02:00:51,745 --> 02:00:57,865

Katie: That's where I watched it and uh,

I had to update to, you know, to Max.

:

02:00:57,870 --> 02:00:58,010

Yeah.

:

02:00:58,014 --> 02:00:58,135

Yeah.

:

02:00:58,165 --> 02:00:59,275

So let me watch it.

:

02:00:59,275 --> 02:01:00,144

Yeah, I was really upset

:

02:01:00,144 --> 02:01:00,595

Zo: about that.

:

02:01:00,595 --> 02:01:01,705

So here's what happened, right?

:

02:01:01,945 --> 02:01:03,745

So I have a smart tv.

:

02:01:03,745 --> 02:01:05,570

So the apps are on the TV itself.

:

02:01:05,570 --> 02:01:05,730

Yeah.

:

02:01:05,735 --> 02:01:10,495

So I go and I click on HBO Map makes

HBO Max, and it says, you know, the

:

02:01:10,495 --> 02:01:12,025

app needs to update or whatever.

:

02:01:12,055 --> 02:01:13,495

No, not that it needs to update.

:

02:01:13,495 --> 02:01:15,445

It's not available in my area.

:

02:01:15,715 --> 02:01:17,275

I was like, this is impossible.

:

02:01:17,275 --> 02:01:20,724

I just watched this on,

uh, a couple of days ago.

:

02:01:20,845 --> 02:01:22,735

What do you mean it's

not available in my area?

:

02:01:22,735 --> 02:01:23,845

This is Boulder Dash.

:

02:01:24,144 --> 02:01:26,394

And I clicked on it a couple

of times and it's still what I

:

02:01:26,394 --> 02:01:27,775

kept getting the same message.

:

02:01:28,165 --> 02:01:32,755

So I start scrolling through the apps

and I see Max is the very last app on

:

02:01:32,755 --> 02:01:35,155

the list, and it's been added recently.

:

02:01:35,155 --> 02:01:35,215

Oh.

:

02:01:35,514 --> 02:01:36,925

So I was like, oh my God.

:

02:01:36,925 --> 02:01:39,385

So, and I clicked on it and

everything worked as it's supposed to.

:

02:01:39,565 --> 02:01:44,155

So instead of just changing the name on

the app, they created an entirely new app.

:

02:01:44,155 --> 02:01:46,180

I was like, this was so unnecessary.

:

02:01:46,180 --> 02:01:47,184

Why did you do that?

:

02:01:48,825 --> 02:01:49,509

Katie: Why didn't you just, yeah.

:

02:01:49,509 --> 02:01:50,620

That kind of stuff is annoying.

:

02:01:50,620 --> 02:01:55,839

Mine, mine changed when I

updated the HBO Max app on my

:

02:01:55,839 --> 02:01:57,879

tv, it did then change right?

:

02:01:57,879 --> 02:01:58,599

To just max.

:

02:01:58,599 --> 02:02:01,929

So I didn't, I didn't have

that same, uh, annoyance.

:

02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:02,510

Zo: Right, right.

:

02:02:02,799 --> 02:02:02,919

But

:

02:02:02,919 --> 02:02:04,120

Katie: it was still

annoying to have to update.

:

02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:05,165

I'm like, can't you just, right,

:

02:02:05,165 --> 02:02:05,349

Zo: right, right.

:

02:02:05,919 --> 02:02:08,019

Well see the after my

TV update all the time.

:

02:02:08,019 --> 02:02:12,429

But this is, I guess, 'cause I have

a lg so I guess because of the way

:

02:02:12,460 --> 02:02:16,419

LGS technical infrastructure work,

they couldn't simply update the

:

02:02:16,419 --> 02:02:19,179

app the way they would like to, so

they had to create a whole new app.

:

02:02:19,179 --> 02:02:21,339

Oh, technology is 20 that way.

:

02:02:21,339 --> 02:02:21,400

Yeah.

:

02:02:21,460 --> 02:02:22,120

But yeah, that,

:

02:02:22,450 --> 02:02:22,839

both: it is,

:

02:02:22,839 --> 02:02:25,299

Zo: that was super annoying, but

I, I'm glad I got to watch it.

:

02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:31,809

So that's it for the day next week is

to be determined as the next episode

:

02:02:31,809 --> 02:02:33,580

is still in the planning stages.

:

02:02:33,580 --> 02:02:39,009

However, I'm scheduled to be a guest

on the middle class film class podcast

:

02:02:39,009 --> 02:02:41,019

for the movie, a trivia tournament.

:

02:02:41,320 --> 02:02:46,960

So wish your boy some luck because

it's like you saw me struggling while

:

02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:52,839

I was doing this show, remembering

names or, uh, movies that I wanted

:

02:02:52,839 --> 02:02:54,129

to talk about, but I couldn't.

:

02:02:54,429 --> 02:02:56,559

I just, it just wouldn't

come to the forefront.

:

02:02:56,950 --> 02:03:01,179

So it's gonna be an interesting

tournament and I look forward to it.

:

02:03:01,599 --> 02:03:06,700

And I'll also be guessing on the

movie Lovers Unite with John d Grego

:

02:03:06,879 --> 02:03:09,009

to talk about the movie Wizard.

:

02:03:09,429 --> 02:03:11,650

Uh, this is the Nintendo movie.

:

02:03:11,650 --> 02:03:16,570

So Wizard starring Fred Savage

is probably Nintendo's first

:

02:03:16,870 --> 02:03:18,549

movie, used to promote mm-hmm.

:

02:03:18,790 --> 02:03:20,170

A Super Mario Brothers movie.

:

02:03:20,349 --> 02:03:24,099

So if you're keeping Count Boys

and Girls, Nintendo has had

:

02:03:24,099 --> 02:03:26,230

three Super Mario Brothers movie.

:

02:03:26,559 --> 02:03:27,820

The Wizard is the first one.

:

02:03:28,420 --> 02:03:32,080

The second one was Super Mario

Brothers movie starring, uh, John

:

02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:34,840

Lee Zamo and, and what's his name?

:

02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:38,410

And the third one is the movie that

just came out, the animated feature.

:

02:03:38,410 --> 02:03:41,349

So they finally did it,

folks, they finally did it.

:

02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:44,830

Katie: Well, that sounds fun.

:

02:03:44,830 --> 02:03:45,940

Good luck on those shows.

:

02:03:45,940 --> 02:03:49,690

And, uh, you're, it just,

you're human brains, you know?

:

02:03:49,690 --> 02:03:50,259

Yeah,

:

02:03:50,259 --> 02:03:50,700

Zo: yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

02:03:51,309 --> 02:03:52,090

It's just the way it goes, right?

:

02:03:52,090 --> 02:03:52,660

Absolutely.

:

02:03:52,660 --> 02:03:52,840

Yeah.

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02:03:53,290 --> 02:03:56,530

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So, Kate, Katie, my gal, do

you have any additional plugs?

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02:04:26,065 --> 02:04:26,785

Katie: We covered it.

:

02:04:26,785 --> 02:04:30,595

I guess I'll just one last time say,

Hey listeners, if you like this show,

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02:04:31,255 --> 02:04:34,645

uh, you'll probably like my show

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All those old action hero guys,

there's a whole network of shows and

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02:04:46,165 --> 02:04:47,725

one more round is just one of them.

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02:04:47,905 --> 02:04:51,085

So, um, you know, if you like

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like some of the shows that I'm on

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Zo: Absolutely.

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02:04:54,505 --> 02:04:55,435

One last time.

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02:04:55,465 --> 02:04:58,495

If you like this show, then please

help us grow by spreading the word

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02:04:58,495 --> 02:05:00,505

about Back Lick Cinema podcast.

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02:05:00,865 --> 02:05:05,155

And I, i know you've enjoyed I guest

Katie, so please listen to Retro Made.

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02:05:05,935 --> 02:05:07,045

Believe me, it matters.

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I've been Zoe Richardson.

:

02:05:08,995 --> 02:05:09,475

Be safe.

:

02:05:09,865 --> 02:05:11,845

Share a movie from yesterday

year with your family.

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02:05:12,055 --> 02:05:16,345

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