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Episode 32

Unlawful Entry | S1E32

In this episode of Retromade, we travel back to 1992 for a psychological thriller with our everyman, Kurt Russell, as well as the very talented Ray Liotta in Unlawful Entry!

I'm joined by a fellow Last of the Action Heroes Podcast Network host, Sean Malloy, from the "I Must Break" This Podcast!

Sean was raised on a healthy diet of action cinema from the glory period of the 80's and 90's. Check out Sean's show: www.imustbreakthispodcast.wordpress.com

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Transcript
Katie:

Hello.

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Hello.

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I'm Katie and welcome to Retro

Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Let's continue the exploration of the

best of the eighties and nineties and

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our ultimate everyman with the 1992

psychological thriller, Unlawful entry.

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I am very excited to have a

returning guest with me today.

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We have coming back for the second

time on Retro Made, Sean Malloy

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from the I Must Break This podcast.

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How are you?

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Sean: I'm doing well.

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Thank you for the for the invite.

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Today I was looking at it and

it's been well over a year

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since I was last on your show.

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So, thank you for

graciously inviting me back.

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I've been looking forward to this one.

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Katie: Yeah, actually.

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Yeah.

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It's been over a year.

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May was my year anniversary for

RetroMade and you joined on one of the

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very first episodes for Tango and Cash.

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So everybody check that out.

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And before we get into our

discussion, tell us about where

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things stand with, I must break this.

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And where we can find you

what's going on, Sean.

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Sean: well, I mean, it's kind of

bittersweet to be perfectly honest,

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but I think I think it's fair to

say that the, I must break this

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podcast has kind of come to an end.

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Maybe I don't want to say it's

a definite end because Mr.

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Lundgren still has.

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A couple films that are that

are in the can, but you know, I

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mean, I've gone 108 episodes and

I feel like I've gone the gamut.

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I've looked at the highs and the lows of

this films and I've gotten to interview

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just a ton of a ton of really cool people

who've gotten to work on these films.

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And you were actually gracious enough

to join me for what is my guess

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final episode for the time being,

which is the Rocky IV Director's Cut.

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And I just felt like, you know,

coming full circle, I felt like

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that was a really good film to

kind of close out the show on.

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So, like I said, I don't want to

definitely say it's been put to

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bed, but You know for lack of better

terms, I think at this point it is

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going to be coming A bit to a halt.

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I know he does have a documentary that

is in the works or actually it's in

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post production So I will be doing an

episode covering that but that's it's

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kind of up in the air on when that's

going to be released So, , our Rocky IV

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Director's Cut episode I'm planning on

releasing probably at the end of at the

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end of June, beginning of July or so.

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Katie: That's probably about

when this will come out.

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So it'll work out.

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Thanks again for joining me.

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Sean: Yeah, of course.

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Katie: Let's start by opening

the time capsule from:

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We covered over 30 movies on

RetroMade and doing the time

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capsule of the prime time.

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TV, we've already covered a lot of it.

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So I provided you with the list

of what was going on at the time.

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in June 1992.

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We already covered this particular

season, the 91 92 season in the City

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of Joy episode, but are there any that

popped out at you that you want to

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share any thoughts or fandom about?

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Sean: Well, I mean, you know, 1992

in terms of in terms of television

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was a really interesting time.

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I mean, this is, of course, pre

internet, so what we had on TV was

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pretty much what we had to entertain us.

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I don't think children nowadays

really get the same kind of excitement

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out of television that we had.

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You know what I mean?

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They have the TOK and all sorts

of things that were not meant

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to understand us old people.

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Right.

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So, yeah,

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1992 was interesting because I mean,

if you can just go back to that

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time, I mean, it's really weird.

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I was talking about this with my wife a

couple of weeks ago, but it's really kind

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of crazy to think that TGIF was a thing.

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Right.

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You know, that families all sat

around the TV on Friday evenings

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to watch the new lineup of a

TV shows, you know what I mean?

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We just don't get that nowadays.

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Nowadays, Fridays is kind of known as

kind of like the wasteland where they

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dump reruns and all sorts of stuff.

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But on that list that you sent me, I mean,

one of the big shows that stood out to

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me it's kind of weird to look at nowadays

was home improvement, okay, because.

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By all intents and purposes, Home

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Improvement is,

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it was not a good show.

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You know, to be perfectly honest,

it was really corny and really lame.

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The entire conceit is just kind

of absurd to be perfectly honest.

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I guess not that absurd compared

to other things that we saw.

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But you know, what's funny is they

still air reruns of it on some of

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the local antenna networks out here.

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And you just watch some

of the episodes and

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it's like,

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This lasted eight seasons?

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But it's and it's the same joke.

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It is the exact Tim Allen is telling

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the exact

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Katie: right.

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Sean: every episode

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Katie: It is odd that it was so popular.

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It was totally lame.

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What was it about it?

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Sean: I yeah, I don't know.

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I mean, I guess you know, Tim Allen's

um his his shtick was I mean it was

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funny for what it was and I think that's

kind of what we needed around:

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But Man, I mean and if you look

at it, I mean, I remember What's

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interesting is I remember the first

couple of seasons I watched with my

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family because that's what it was.

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It was a family sitcom, right?

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And then

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as I

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started getting older, I kind

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of grew out of it.

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And what's weird is the kids in that

show started growing, getting older.

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And I feel like with every sitcom,

when the kids get older, that's when

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it really starts to kind of lose its

steam and it kind of loses its luster.

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And I remember when the kids started

getting older in that show, the

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storylines really weren't clicking and

the kids were kind of, through these

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growth spurts where they are kind of

looking a little funny and awkward

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and their voices are a little off.

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And it was again, doing that same joke.

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I mean, you know, they

can only hide Wilson.

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Remember Wilson, the character,

they can only hide his face so many

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different ways.

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Katie: Yeah.

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The fence.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Sean: episodes where like at a Halloween

party, he'd be wearing a mask, or

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I remember there was one where he

was talking on a cell phone and he

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was covering, you know, his, I mean,

people who are listening, can't see

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it, but he had a cell phone up on one

ear and then he was covering his mouth

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with his hand with the other hand.

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And it was like, guys what

are we doing at this point?

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You know?

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Katie: Yeah, Like hacky almost, but I feel

like a lot of guys like dads liked it.

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I don't know if they related to

Tim or what, but it was really

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popular, but you're right.

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It's not a very good

show, but we all know it.

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We know it very well.

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Yeah.

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Sean: definitely.

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So, but yeah, that was the one the big one

that kind of stood out to me on that list.

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You mentioned you mentioned Roseanne.

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Roseanne was, of course, a juggernaut.

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And I think, you know, in hindsight, if

you look back upon it, I think one of

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the big reasons why home improvement was

the success with it, that it was because,

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you know, that's something else to that.

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I mean, if you want to go down

this rabbit hole, that's something

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else that we just don't get.

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Nowadays is.

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A show would be a successor.

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It would at least get another

season or at least get eyes on it.

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If it was on a night where a popular

show was on, you know what I mean?

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And so if you think about it, like NBC,

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Katie: The lead in

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Sean: NBC, they had friends

and they had Seinfeld.

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And if you remember, this was must see.

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What was it called?

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Must see TV and know what

they did Thursday nights.

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But what it was

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funny is,

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Katie: yep, on Thursdays.

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Yep.

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Sean: that's what they did is

they had friends at the seven

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o'clock hour and then they had

Seinfeld at the eight o'clock hour.

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And so whatever they put in between

was guaranteed to get watched.

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It was guaranteed to get watched.

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And I feel like with home improvement,

ABC did that same strategy.

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I remember it was Tuesday nights.

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They had Roseanne.

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They had home improvement.

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Okay.

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Those are two juggernaut television shows.

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And so they would they would

kind of test the waters and put.

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programming on in, you know, in that

evening between those shows, not

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many of the shows were very good.

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We're very memorable to be perfectly

honest, but I do remember that.

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Yeah.,

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Katie: I'm glad you brought Roseanne

up because I just covered in my

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last episode, which was 3 wishes.

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Have you seen Three Wishes?

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Probably not from,

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Sean: No, I haven't, but I do distinctly

remember it coming to theaters and

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it coming out and getting released.

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And I remember it.

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I don't

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remember hearing

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anything bad about it.

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Katie: No, it was actually really good.

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It's just for whatever

reason didn't get seen.

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I actually do really like it.

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but in that episode, so you guys go

back and listen to episode number

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31 Three Wishes, and I did a whole

Roseanne retrospective on that show.

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So yeah.

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All right.

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Well, thanks for that home improvement.

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Yeah.

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Wild times.

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Sean: Yeah.

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Katie: Should we move on to the Billboard

th,:

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Sean: Okay.

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Okay.

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Katie: This is very 92.

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Like all of these are very 92.

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So the number one song is

I'll be there by Mariah Carey.

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Classic.

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Everyone knows that song.

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Number two song is Baby

Got Back by Sir Mix a Lot.

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I have this cassette tape.

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I loved it.

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Like the single.

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Sean: Do you remember?

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I mean, this is kind of going,

this is going back a bit, but I

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remember going to a music store.

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It's actually really kind of cool.

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I'd love, you know, a lot of people

ask if you could go back in time.

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This is one of the things I'd love to

to see, but do you remember going into

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the music stores and they're just being

walls upon walls of cassette tapes?

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Do you remember how they would line

them up and how they would like,

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because it was

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Katie: Yeah,

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Sean: you know,

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to display a cassette tape.

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So it would be on a wall and just,

you would have just three, four walls,

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just full of these kids set tapes.

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And they would all be

in alphabetical order.

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And you go down.

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I, I only bring that up because

I remember I had That single is

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that cassette type single as well.

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So

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Katie: you did.

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Sean: yeah too much to my parents

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dismay

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Katie: What about, did you have,

yeah, I love, I still like it.

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I also had the number four song.

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God, this was hitting when I was

in like grade school, crisscross.

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Jump.

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Remember them?

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Sean: that was their

only hit too, wasn't it?

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like they

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Katie: they maybe had one other, but Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Sean: Yeah.

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No, I remember

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boy, Wearing pants backwards

and baseball jerseys backwards.

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That was one thing that just

didn't catch on did it like

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Katie: no, I think one of them died too.

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It was like two Chris's.

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Both boys were named Chris.

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One of them was like Daddy

Mac, one was Mac Daddy.

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I don't know, it was wild and I

thought it was cool in like 5th grade.

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Whatever, however old I was.

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Sean: yeah,

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Katie: Sophie B.

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Hawkins has the number five song this

week with Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover.

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That was a huge song.

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It's pretty good.

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Did you, I mean, I guess you were a young

boy, so maybe you didn't care for it.

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Sean: no, I don't remember that one.

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So

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yeah, sadly sadly that one got lost

on me, but no, crisscross definitely.

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I remember Mariah Carey was was,

you know, she was, was she coming

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onto the scene at that time?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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She was starting to become a thing.

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Yeah.

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Katie: like 90, early 90s, because before

then she had Oh, I forget the name of it,

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but she was like, she had made it in 92.

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She was big.

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Sean: Yeah.

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Katie: So damn.

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I wish I was your lover with

Sophie B Hawkins and Vogue

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has my loving with number six.

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You're never going to get it.

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I'm sure, you know, they just

basically say that the whole time.

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Never going to get it.

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Never going to get it.

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Sean: Yep.

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Yep.

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No.

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Katie: Celine Dion.

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Sean: Yes, I remember her.

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You know, it's funny because I remember

being I was at that particular summer.

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My parents are both working.

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So I was at a YMCA

summer camp all day long.

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And so I remember a lot of people,

especially the, or a lot of the kids that

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were there, especially the the young girls

all had their Walkman cassette tapes.

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so these songs that you're

mentioning here, they had those

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like a library in their backpack

that they would be popping in.

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So, yeah, this is, it's

all coming back to me.

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Thank you.

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Katie: Well, speaking of,

it's all coming back to me.

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That's another Celine Dion song,

but the number seven song that

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she had this week was called.

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If you asked me to.

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And then you're bringing up that memory

of all the girls with their cassette

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tapes and their Walkman's this.

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Is wild.

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I had kind of forgotten the

phenomenon that was Billy Ray Cyrus

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in 1992 with achy, rachy heart.

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Sean: Yeah, and it's so funny you

mention that because I saw on a,

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why these things make the news.

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I have no idea, but I saw that speaking of

Billy Ray, I guess he recently filed for

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divorce from his wife of about six months.

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And I don't know if you've seen

pictures of Billy Ray Cyrus

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now, I guess he's channeling Rob

Zombie or something like that.

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I mean, he looks completely

different than he did.

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1992 than he did when he was

doing like Hannah Montana.

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Like he is completely, I mean, I'm telling

you, he looks just like Rob Zombie.

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It is pretty insane.

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Katie: What?

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I did not know that.

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I didn't even know he

had gotten married again.

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Cause he was with Miley's mom for

a long time and they divorced,

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I want to say not that long ago.

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Like, within 5 years or something,

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Sean: yeah,

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Katie: so then you're saying

he has remarried someone else

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and it lasted all of 6 months,

and now he looks like a weirdo,

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Sean: all of six months.

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Yes.

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And weirdo is saying it is saying

it lightly, but he's made more

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money than I'll probably ever see.

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So who am I to to

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Katie: you know,

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Sean: Mhm.

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Katie: rocking that awful mullet.

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it was, not a good mullet.

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I hated it so much.

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I never understood.

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I did not find him attractive.

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In 92, but apparently

everyone else on earth did

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Sean: Yeah, it was the mullet.

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it was the

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mullet and the tank top.

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That, he

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had the

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Katie: Yes.

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Sean: off shirt, right?

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Katie: Yep.

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That's true.

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And the number nine song is

called Tennessee and it's

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by Arrested Development.

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I don't remember that song, but

I know Arrested Development.

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And then the number 10 song is a combo.

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We have the best things in life are free.

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And this is by Luther Vandross

and Janet Jackson with.

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B B D.

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Bell, Biv, Devoe.

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I think that's B B D.

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Yeah.

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I can't really picture that

song either, but all of those

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people are very well known.

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Sean: Yeah.

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I mean, when you, when, I mean, I

can't, I couldn't tell you a single

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song by Belle Viv DeVoe, but I do

know Bill Bellamy went into acting

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and has starred in quite a few movies.

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So.

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know, so there's that,

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but,

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Katie: News and

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events.

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I don't know why I found this funny, but

this movie came out at the end of June.

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And one of the things when I was

looking at what was going on, in the

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world is that it snowed in Colorado

and we both live in Colorado.

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So I thought I would mention that to you.

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A lot of times it snows in May, like

on Mother's Day, it tends to snow,

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but apparently it was like kind of

a big deal that it snowed in June.

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Sean: I don't remember that at all.

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I, which is kind of surprising me.

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You think I would, but you know,

there's the statement only in

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Colorado, that's the one, that's one

statement that I've never liked as old.

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You know, 80 degrees one day,

snow in the next only in Colorado.

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It's like one Colorado native

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joke that

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Katie: It's not only in Colorado.

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Sean: liked stop it.

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Whoever tells that joke, stop it.

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It's not funny.

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Katie: If you don't like the

weather, wait five minutes.

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That one too.

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Sean: goodness.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Katie: I'm not a native,

so I didn't live here then.

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Are you a native?

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Sean: yeah.

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Katie: Oh, I don't think I knew that.

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Sean: So, yeah, so I've seen all the

blizzards that are pretty historic.

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Actually I was born one of the most

historic blizzards in Colorado.

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The Blizzard of 82.

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That's when I was born actually.

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Katie: Really?

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Sean: with, yeah, that was that was a

pretty, that was a pretty crazy one, but.

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Katie: I very vividly remember

this next one being in the

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news and it being a huge deal.

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This is just wild to me.

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Because we have such a different

news environment now, or media

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environment, I should say.

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Do you remember when Dan

Quayle spelled potato wrong?

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Sean: hmm.

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Katie: For an elementary school in

Trenton, New Jersey, there was a

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spelling bee that he was a part of, or

I don't know, overseeing or something.

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And he was relying on a faulty card

apparently and erroneously instructs

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the student to spell potato with an E.

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Sean: Yes, yes.

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I mean, man, I feel like all

presidents always have those

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things to be remembered for.

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And it's just kind of crazy that is one

of the one of the things that his legacy

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will always go down is with potato.

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I guess it could be much, much worse.

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But yeah, I do remember that.

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I mean, that was like a

late night punch line.

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For the next two to three years, you

know, whether it be on on the the

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tonight show on on SNL or whatever,

it was always it was always mentioned.

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So, yeah, that was another one

I completely forgotten about.

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Katie: That was wild that

it like made the news.

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So also in June of 92 Evander Holyfield

beats Larry Holmes in 12 rounds

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for the heavyweight boxing title.

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And 2 skeletons were excavated

in, I'm going to pronounce this

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wrong Yekaterinburg, Russia.

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So.

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these skeletons apparently were

identified as Tsar Nicholas, the

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2nd and Tsarina Alexandra, which I

remember in grade school, hearing

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:

a lot about the Tsars of Russia.

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:

Also, I don't know why that was

very much a part of the talk.

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:

Sean: Wow.

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And seeing, I don't remember really any

of that, which is kind of sad, but thank

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you for, for this history hour, you

know, I totally don't remember any of

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that.

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So

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Katie: Well, you probably

won't remember this.

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:

I did not remember the next one.

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I'm aware of it, but I didn't

realize when exactly it happened.

441

:

And I'm very into mob movies and

stuff, but real life Mafia boss John

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:

Gotti begins his life sentence in jail

for murder and various other crimes.

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:

June, 92.

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Sean: Oh, okay.

445

:

Oh, and that, that actually, I do

remember that hitting the news.

446

:

Yeah, man, I'm going, I'm just going,

kind of going back and remembering.

447

:

And I'm now thinking about all of

the various movies that have come

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:

out since then about Gotti and

about his about his imprisonment.

449

:

So

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:

Katie: Oh, yeah.

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:

Sean: some are better than

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others.

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:

Katie: Yeah.

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:

The next one I'm going to

post to you is a trivia.

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:

Okay.

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:

So the, there was the NBA draft.

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:

I don't know.

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Do you know anything about basketball?

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:

Sean: I don't follow the NBA in

basketball as much as I should.

460

:

I should, some of my closest friends

do actually, but I probably I, but

461

:

interestingly though, this summer

I did play basketball for the local

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rec league, but that is the last

thing that makes me an expert.

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:

Katie: You might get it anyway.

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:

Okay.

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So the player played for LSU

in college and he was the 1st

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pick by the Orlando magic.

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I bet you can guess.

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:

92.

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Who was it?

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Sean: Is that Shaq?

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:

Right now.

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:

Katie: Yes.

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:

Sean: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah,

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Katie: yeah, Yeah.

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Shaquille O'Neal.

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First pick.

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:

Sean: He'll always be synonymous with the

Orlando magic for me, as opposed to the

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Lakers or any of the other teams he played

for, because I mean, when he came on the

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scene, he was with the magic and that

was, I mean, that, that was a big deal.

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I mean, I even had the

video game for God's sakes.

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He had a video game where he

was like a Kung Fu master.

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Taking out bad guys.

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It was called Shaq Fu.

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:

You know what I mean?

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Like the fact, I mean,

that just kind of shows you

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anybody,

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Katie: Why was he a Kung Fu person?

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Sean: I have no idea, but again, that

was the kind of the crazy aura that

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he had, I mean, you know what I mean?

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He was just this pop cultural thing

where he did a little bit of everything.

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He went into acting, he he rapped, he

had a rap album, he had the video game.

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He had all these endorsement deals.

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He was.

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I mean, he was Shaq, man.

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He was great.

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Katie: Well, there was also two

earthquakes in California, including

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the third strongest in the U.

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S.

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ever.

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And one of them was a 7.

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4 on the Richter scale

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Sean: Yep.

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Katie: in June of 92.

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Sean: hmm.

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:

I've heard about those.

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:

Yep.

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:

Katie: Feel like we don't hear about

earthquakes there as much anymore.

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:

Sean: No, yeah, you're right.

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:

It's it is interesting how often

we really don't, and then when

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we do, it's always like a blip.

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:

You know what I mean?

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It's always real quick, and then,

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Katie: Mm hmm.

517

:

Sean: I know you're right.

518

:

Katie: yeah, Again, I think just

the changing like media environment,

519

:

but there are several weddings.

520

:

We have TV personality, Steve

Irwin marries naturalist,

521

:

Terry rains in Eugene, Oregon.

522

:

And they remained together

until he died in:

523

:

So, the crocodile hunter

Steve Irwin got married.

524

:

Sean: Yeah, no, that's pretty cool.

525

:

But I don't remember him being,

what's really kind of crazy

526

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is, I mean, how do I say this?

527

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Obviously he was around in the early

90s, but I don't really remember

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:

the Crocodile Hunter as we knew him.

529

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Really becoming Into my zeitgeist and

becoming like a known figure until the

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:

late 90s early 2000s and then in that wild

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Katie: Yeah,

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:

you're right.

533

:

You're right.

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:

Do you remember the Montel Williams show?

535

:

He he married a burlesque

dancer, Grace Morley.

536

:

In June of 1992.

537

:

And they got divorced in the year 2000.

538

:

Sean: well it was it was probably

the payday loans that he was

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:

was that he was marketing she

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:

Katie: Oh, yeah.

541

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Sean: She

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:

probably was not

543

:

Katie: Or is he into

the reverse mortgages?

544

:

Sean: that's what it was.

545

:

Maybe it was.

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:

one of those two.

547

:

So, interestingly though, to kind of

go full circle here and I'm not just

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:

saying this to plug my own show but he

does have an acting credit to his name.

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:

He didn't, you know, he did the

talk show and everything, but to my

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:

knowledge, the only film that he ever

really acted in, he played this gung

551

:

ho general in a film with with Dolph

Lundgren called The Peacekeeper.

552

:

That is extremely cheesy and very very

lame, but it is quite easy to find.

553

:

It's on just about every

streaming service imaginable.

554

:

So if anyone is curious to see what

Montel Williams how he did in the realm

555

:

of acting he did team up with with Dolph

for a a very lame movie back in 96.

556

:

So check it out.

557

:

The Peacekeeper.

558

:

Katie: I can about imagine.

559

:

I'm, my guess is he was

not the best actor, but

560

:

I could be wrong.

561

:

Sean: pretty terrible.

562

:

Katie: So I feel like we already

talked about David Bowie getting

563

:

married, but this must be, okay.

564

:

So the wedding that I'm talking about

in June of 92 is that David Bowie.

565

:

Wed's Somali supermodel Iman, this

time in a formal ceremony at St.

566

:

James Episcopal Church in Florence, Italy.

567

:

They must have had another

ceremony somewhere else.

568

:

And I, I'm just forgetting

because I know we've covered it.

569

:

But they remained together

until he died in:

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:

Sean: Oh, good for them.

571

:

for them.

572

:

Yeah I gotta admit, I'm not, I've never

been the biggest David Bowie fan, but

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I've always, really appreciated his

the impact that he had on not just

574

:

that genre, but on music in general.

575

:

I mean, so, so yeah but sadly I've never

the biggest, the biggest Bowie fan.

576

:

That makes me terrible.

577

:

Right.

578

:

I mean, I feel.

579

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I feel terrible.

580

:

Katie: Sean, no, I literally feel

the same way, but it's like one of

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:

those things that I don't, I'm like,

I'll just keep that to myself because

582

:

seemingly everyone, I don't dislike him.

583

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I just am not like super into it.

584

:

You know,

585

:

Sean: Yeah.

586

:

So, but no that, that's cool that

they, I mean, that, that's with the

587

:

way Hollywood and celebrity status is,

it seems like none of those marriages

588

:

are few of those marriages last.

589

:

So good for him for for sticking

through all the way till his till

590

:

his unfortunate and untimely death.

591

:

Katie: Death did them part.

592

:

Yes.

593

:

Sean: Yeah,

594

:

Katie: before we get into unlawful

entry, I want to briefly mentioned

595

:

some of the other movies that were

big in the theaters at the time.

596

:

So unlawful entry was number

9 in the theaters in June 92.

597

:

These are, there's so many.

598

:

I remember all of these.

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:

We have Batman Returns was the number one.

600

:

Sister Act, Patriot Games, Lethal

Weapon 3, House Sitter, Far and Away,

601

:

Alien 3, Encino Man, and Class Act.

602

:

It's quite a group of movies, eh?

603

:

Sean: that was, I mean, I'm

glad you brought that up, but

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:

yeah, 92 was a huge summer.

605

:

You're also, I mean, those are the

ones obviously that preceded them, the

606

:

one that we're talking about today.

607

:

But a couple of others that came

out that summer that I believe it

608

:

was, what was the summer at 92?

609

:

I'm pretty sure it was, but you mentioned

Encino man Polly Shore did another

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:

one that came out that summer called

son in law, which I will go down as

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:

saying,

612

:

Katie: Love it.

613

:

Sean: day is still a hilarious movie.

614

:

That's actually a Thanksgiving

staple in our house.

615

:

We watch that every Thanksgiving.

616

:

So son in law is great and probably

my all time favorite movie came out

617

:

in July of 1992 exactly about a month

after unlawful entry, but universal

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:

soldier Jean Claude Van Damme,

Dolph Lundgren, absolutely amazing.

619

:

1992.

620

:

Talk about a hell of a summer,

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:

Katie: Sean I'm glad you brought

up Universal Soldier because

622

:

I had not seen it before.

623

:

Wildly, I don't know how it missed me.

624

:

I'm not a sci fi person.

625

:

I can see why it missed me.

626

:

But now, as an adult, I don't know why

I never revisited it because I love both

627

:

of those guys, Jean Claude and doll.

628

:

And so I had mentioned that

on my show recently, and.

629

:

Another podcaster who has guested on the

show before, and I've guested on his show.

630

:

Well, he invited me back to his show

to cover it recently, and I think

631

:

it, at the time of this recording,

it probably will have come out.

632

:

And so Zoe from Backlook Cinema

and I check out the episode

633

:

covered Universal Soldier.

634

:

It was so much fun.

635

:

Sean: hmm.

636

:

It really is an amazing movie.

637

:

I mean, I look back upon it.

638

:

I, of course, covered it in my show

and we had some technical difficulties.

639

:

So it's not one of the best

episodes, but , but no it's amazing.

640

:

I mean, I don't think I can say

anything more about it than that.

641

:

Obviously I could, but I don't, I want

to be respectful of your time and the

642

:

film that we're talking about today.

643

:

But it really is anybody, I mean, here's

the thing, here's the way I look at it.

644

:

Anybody who went into the Expendables

you know, when the Expendables movies

645

:

came out and were so amazed at the

gimmick of putting all these action guys

646

:

together in the same movie, which don't

get me wrong, was an amazing gimmick.

647

:

I loved it.

648

:

But in my mind, I was kind of

like, they already did this.

649

:

They did it with Universal Soldier and

the edge the Universal Soldier had over

650

:

the Expendables films is Universal Soldier

pitted these two action guys together

651

:

But when they were in their prime.

652

:

Expendables did it, but I mean, they

were all old and they were after

653

:

their prime and everything like that.

654

:

Still in amazing shape,

don't get me wrong.

655

:

But with Universal Soldier, they put

these two meathead egos together in

656

:

one movie and had them beat the hell

out of each other for 95 minutes.

657

:

I love it because of that.

658

:

Katie: Yeah, it was super fun.

659

:

I very much liked it.

660

:

And so wasn't sure that.

661

:

I would just because

he's really into sci fi.

662

:

So

663

:

he's trying to introduce

me to more sci fi.

664

:

And I think he understands

my taste now a little more.

665

:

Anyway, it was great.

666

:

But what we are here to talk about today.

667

:

Is unlawful entry.

668

:

Let's get into it.

669

:

The release date was June 26, 1992.

670

:

It is rated R.

671

:

The IMDb is a 6.

672

:

4.

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:

I feel like the last several

movies that I've done have

674

:

been right around that range.

675

:

We have Jonathan Kaplan

is our director here.

676

:

And he produced the series ER

and directed several episodes

677

:

of that, but he also directed.

678

:

The accused as well as broke down palace.

679

:

So that's the director here.

680

:

The writers are, we have George Putnam and

he is known for his writing on NYPD Blue

681

:

and Deadwood as well as John Katchmer,

who's not really otherwise known.

682

:

And then Louis Collick, who's known

for tons of stuff, including October

683

:

Sky, Domestic Disturbance, Ghosts

of Mississippi, and Ladder 49.

684

:

The music is by James Horner.

685

:

Does anybody remember that he's

the Academy Award winner, James

686

:

Horner, and it's frigging good.

687

:

It's super good in this.

688

:

I really liked it.

689

:

What'd you think?

690

:

The music, Sean?

691

:

Sean: I love the music.

692

:

I mean, there's so much about

this movie to appreciate.

693

:

The one thing I would just want to say

now before I forget, but one of the

694

:

things that's amazing about this is

not only did this come out in theaters.

695

:

Okay.

696

:

Excuse me.

697

:

Not only did this, was this

released in the summer.

698

:

Okay.

699

:

But this went theatrical.

700

:

A film like this would not

go theatrical nowadays.

701

:

A film like this at best would premiere

on like a Netflix or like a streaming

702

:

service or something like that.

703

:

When you were mentioning that crop of

films that came out in the summer, I

704

:

mean, think about just all the different

genres and all the kind of lower

705

:

budget or mid budget films that we got

that were released in the summertime.

706

:

Nowadays we don't get that.

707

:

And you think about it, summer is

pretty much the home for Disney

708

:

and whatnot, you know, just these

giant 200 million blockbusters.

709

:

But yeah sorry, that was a side tangent.

710

:

He asked me about the

music, but no, the music.

711

:

this film wonderfully because I think

at its core with this particular

712

:

film, I'm just going to say it.

713

:

is a pretty kind of lurid, trashy

movie to be perfectly honest.

714

:

I mean, it is it's pretty trashy in, in,

715

:

Katie: It's formulaic.

716

:

Sean: many respects, but I think

the music really really bounces

717

:

off it all pretty well, you know?

718

:

Katie: Well said.

719

:

So James Horner, if that

sounds familiar to Listeners.

720

:

Yes, he has won Academy Awards.

721

:

He's very Well, known, but we also

talked about him because he did

722

:

the music for Uncommon Valor with

our other Everyman, Patrick Swayze.

723

:

So go back and listen to that

episode if you haven't okay.

724

:

So for those of you who have

not seen this in 30 years.

725

:

We have happily married Michael and

Karen Carr call the police after a

726

:

failed robbery in their Los Angeles home.

727

:

Before long, officer Pete Davis arrives

and helps arrange the installation

728

:

of a new security system, taking

extra interest in the couple's case.

729

:

As a result, the grateful cars

invite Pete over for dinner.

730

:

And as one thing leads to another, they

strike up an unexpected friendship.

731

:

However, as the lonely policeman

develops an intense fixation on

732

:

the cars, Pete's take on friendship

turns into a dangerous obsession.

733

:

What happens when the cure

is worse than the disease?

734

:

That's the description.

735

:

The budget of it was 23 million and

it made 57 million, which is kind

736

:

of surprising for a movie like this.

737

:

Like you were talking about Sean

738

:

Sean: Well, I think there's actually some

739

:

very clear

740

:

reasons if you look at the timeline

of when this came out, I mean, first

741

:

of all, yeah, it's a very modestly,

I mean, by today's standards, but

742

:

it's a pretty modestly budgeted film.

743

:

Okay, you said 21 million or whatever.

744

:

But if you look at the timeline of

when this came out, okay, so:

745

:

that we had the Rodney King beatings.

746

:

Okay, in Los Angeles.

747

:

And then a year after that, we

had the the trial in which the

748

:

officers were acquitted, which then

resulted in the the LA riots, right?

749

:

Okay.

750

:

So that all happened in the

year that preceded this film.

751

:

Now I imagine this film was obviously it

was already being filmed or was already

752

:

in production and everything like that,

but this film came out in the aftermath.

753

:

Of all of that, and so I think

by the general public especially

754

:

in Los Angeles police officers

are being viewed as the enemy.

755

:

a film coming out, okay, in the wake of

all of this, in which the antagonist,

756

:

the villain, is a police officer who is

supposed to, you know, who's supposed

757

:

to uphold the law and protect everyone.

758

:

The fact that he's the villain doing

these things I think it was kind of,

759

:

it's very unfortunate circumstances,

obviously, but in a weird way, it came

760

:

out at a time where I think audiences

were more prone to buy a ticket

761

:

for something like this, you know,

762

:

Katie: You mentioned Ray Liotta.

763

:

He plays officer Pete Davis

and he is he plays a delusional

764

:

psychopath very well in this.

765

:

Kurt Russell plays Michael Carr.

766

:

He's our.

767

:

The, you know, the the every man who

has to fight off this crazy person and

768

:

his wife is the lovely Madeline Stowe.

769

:

She plays Karen Carr and you guys

all know her, but She's pretty well

770

:

known for the last of the Mohicans,

the general's daughter and the

771

:

TV series revenge from like 2009.

772

:

I want to, say.

773

:

Sean: She's married to a Brian Benman.

774

:

Who, I don't know if you remember

the show dream On from the nineties.

775

:

It was on HBO, but they've been

happily married ever since.

776

:

So, fact.

777

:

Katie: I don't, know who that is.

778

:

Sean: okay.

779

:

Well, yeah, there, there was a show

780

:

Dream on, it was

781

:

Katie: Hmm.

782

:

Sean: it was on

783

:

HBO though anyone who was fortunate

to have premium Cape Premium cable.

784

:

Back in the early nineties, there

was a a sex comedy show that was

785

:

on that was on that channel that

ran for quite a few seasons.

786

:

But the lead character on that show.

787

:

That's who she's married to.

788

:

Katie: Oh, I got to check out

what he looks like because

789

:

she is a striking beauty.

790

:

So the partner of Ray Liotta's

character is Roy, Officer

791

:

Roy Cole played by Roger E.

792

:

Mosley.

793

:

And he's known, he was in the original

Magnum PI series, like the whole series.

794

:

So he's probably most known for that.

795

:

And then so Michael Carr, Kurt Russell's

character has He's like his lawyer, but

796

:

he's his partner and friend as well.

797

:

Roger is his name played by

Ken Lerner and he's a very

798

:

familiar face, lots of TV work.

799

:

He played Rocco in Happy Days and he

plays Lou Schwartz in the Goldbergs.

800

:

So that's something a

little bit more recent.

801

:

Sean: I'm glad you mentioned Roger

Mosley because unfortunately he

802

:

passed away this this past year.

803

:

But yeah, what a

wonderful character actor.

804

:

Katie: I didn't know he

passed away, but yeah.

805

:

He is good.

806

:

I liked him a lot as well.

807

:

Debra Offner plays Penny, who is

Karen's friend, and she's not super well

808

:

known, but you might recognize her from

Cruel Intentions and The Black Swan.

809

:

She had some decent sized parts in those.

810

:

All right, Sean, overall

impressions of Unlawful Entry.

811

:

What do you got?

812

:

Sean: I mean, is, I mean, first of all,

when you talk about how your season, the

813

:

theme of the season is every man, I mean,

Russell is perfect for this role because

814

:

he is the ultimate every man in this role.

815

:

You know, I've always.

816

:

I've always gravitated to this film and

I've liked it for a number of reasons.

817

:

Number one, I've always been,

me personally, I've always

818

:

been a fan of of cop movies.

819

:

That's just kind of a genre

that I've always gravitated to.

820

:

And so, usually if

821

:

it's a movie

822

:

Katie: Same.

823

:

Sean: police, you know, even the dirty

ones or whatever it may be, that's

824

:

just a genre that that I really like.

825

:

With this particular film, I mean,

it has two of my favorite actors.

826

:

Now, of course, you know, I was

gravitated to, you know, Damme, Dolph,

827

:

Arnold, Sly but when we're looking

at like actors, like real actors,

828

:

not saying those other guys aren't

actors, but you get the difference.

829

:

But,

830

:

Katie: Mm hmm, mm hmm,

831

:

Sean: Ray Liotta are, have always

been at the top for me and they

832

:

off each other wonderfully.

833

:

I mean, you know, in the end, I think one

of the things that's kind of unfortunate

834

:

about it, and it's, you know, It's not

a detriment to the film, but when we

835

:

talked about Tango and Cash, how magnetic

Kurt Russell is, and he's perfect in

836

:

this role, don't get me wrong, but at

the end of the day, when you finish

837

:

watching it, you really don't remember

Kurt Russell as much as you do Ray Liotta.

838

:

And, you know, it's, I

839

:

think that's,

840

:

You know, what.

841

:

I don't want to say it's a catch 22, but

in the end I think it works because your

842

:

film was only as good as its villain.

843

:

And Ray Liotta is just phenomenal in this

movie as as Pete, you know what I mean?

844

:

There are so many scenes that are just,

and I imagine we'll probably talk about

845

:

them, but there are so many moments in

this movie, how I mentioned earlier how

846

:

it's a little trashy, but there are so

many moments that are so And so creepy.

847

:

I mean, if we just go to the scene

where Kurt Russell goes on the ride

848

:

along with Ray Liotta and Ray Liotta

shows his true colors, his true

849

:

side, that it really stays with you.

850

:

And then to this day, I will say

right now, Katie probably one of

851

:

the creepiest scenes I've ever seen

in a film is in Unlawful Entry.

852

:

And it's the scene where Ray

Liotta kills his partner by

853

:

played by

854

:

Katie: mm hmm,

855

:

Sean: Mosley, you know what I

856

:

mean?

857

:

That scene is

858

:

just so

859

:

From the score to the way to Ray Liotta's

mannerisms If you notice his mannerisms,

860

:

he has this look in his eyes every time.

861

:

I mean that scene just it just it's

862

:

It's just so insane, but

in the end I think it works

863

:

Katie: Oh, Yeah.

864

:

that, no I really want To dig into

that scene, too, because, it's like we

865

:

kind of see that it's coming the second

that we pan over to Ray's character.

866

:

He puts gloves on, checks a few things.

867

:

We're like, oh, shit.

868

:

What's what's he going to do?

869

:

We see it coming and then he waits.

870

:

He sits with him and watches him die.

871

:

Sean: Yeah.

872

:

be honest, for me, Katie, the scariest

part of that scene, and tell you why.

873

:

Well, actually, I know why.

874

:

It's Leota's acting.

875

:

But for me, with that scene, the part

that always creeped me out is, if you

876

:

notice, he shoots his partner, okay?

877

:

And then he looks at the

perpetrator whose apartment, and

878

:

you see this guy is freaked out.

879

:

He's like, what is going on?

880

:

And just how rarely Leota looks

at him and says, take the gun.

881

:

it's just like, oh my God.

882

:

And I heard, you know, it's funny

because years down the line, I

883

:

heard critic talk about that scene.

884

:

And they were like, anybody who checked

the ballistics and everything like that,

885

:

of how that went down, they would have

886

:

figured out,

887

:

Katie: Yeah,

888

:

Sean: minute.

889

:

This doesn't, but you know what,

when I saw this for the first

890

:

time, didn't even think about that.

891

:

That didn't even go through my mind.

892

:

You know what I mean?

893

:

And it works, you know?

894

:

If you go, I know we're kind of

bouncing around, but if you go to

895

:

the end, the final fight that Leota

and and Kurt Russell have in the

896

:

kitchen, you know, Kurt Russell

takes a frying pan to the face.

897

:

I mean, it's, I mean, this, this

film is not cartoonish by any means.

898

:

The violence here is real and it's.

899

:

It's very unsettling, but

in a weird way, it warrants,

900

:

warrants rewatches in my opinion.

901

:

Katie: yeah.

902

:

Unsettling is a good way of putting it.

903

:

And I do think the music really

helps us get in the right

904

:

emotional state for each scene.

905

:

And I'm glad that you brought up.

906

:

I mean, obviously I'm talking

about Ultimate Everyman and Kurt

907

:

Russell, but when I was watching

this I got major breakdown vibes.

908

:

Breakdown comes out in 97,

so five years later, but he

909

:

plays a very similar character.

910

:

You know, he's got glasses, he's

wearing khakis, he's just like a regular

911

:

husband trying to protect his wife.

912

:

I will say I like the

casting a lot better in this.

913

:

Madeline Stowe and Kurt Russell, Are

on par looks wise with each other and

914

:

I didn't feel that way with I forget.

915

:

No offense to this lovely woman who

played his wife in Breakdown, but I

916

:

thought they needed someone prettier.

917

:

And so Madeline Stowe and Kurt Russell

make a very good looking couple.

918

:

And yeah, I don't know.

919

:

I got Breakdown vibes.

920

:

Did you at all?

921

:

Sean: Well, first of all the

actress, that's Kathleen Quinlan,

922

:

who plays his his wife in in

923

:

Breakdown.

924

:

You know, I mean, what's

interesting is I guess I never

925

:

really looked at it that way.

926

:

To be honest, I'm just going to say it.

927

:

Madeline Stowe in this movie

always kind of annoyed me.

928

:

You know, she's doing that.

929

:

I know, I'm sorry.

930

:

But she's doing that thing

that I've never really liked.

931

:

And we see this all the

time in horror movies, okay?

932

:

But she's the one who's

to what's going on.

933

:

You know what I mean?

934

:

There are red flags and there are signs,

okay, in front of her so many times.

935

:

And she's always just, I don't know.

936

:

It's my husband who's crazy.

937

:

You know what I mean?

938

:

I mean, think about any movie

that has a that has a killer kid.

939

:

This is a lame example, but I feel

like any of those, any film that

940

:

has a child who a little psychotic

or whatever, you always have that

941

:

one person who's just running to

the parents, running to the teacher,

942

:

running to everyone, trying to warn them

saying, Hey, this person is not right.

943

:

This person is ill.

944

:

Okay.

945

:

We need to watch out for him.

946

:

And that person is

always getting blown off.

947

:

Okay.

948

:

It's almost like that

person is the crazy one.

949

:

And I feel like that is what Madeline

Stowe for the first two acts of

950

:

this movie, that is what Madeline

Stowe is doing to Kurt Russell

951

:

for a good chunk of this movie.

952

:

You know what I mean?

953

:

I mean, there's the scene when Kurt

Russell comes home from the ride along

954

:

and he's like, something is wrong.

955

:

Something is amiss.

956

:

I don't want this guy around anymore.

957

:

And then Madeline Stowe

completely gaslights Kurt Russell.

958

:

If you remember, she completely

gaslights him and says, Well, you

959

:

weren't in my shoes because you

didn't have a knife to your throat,

960

:

so blah, you know, blah, blah, blah.

961

:

Which, I don't want to mitigate what

she went through by any means, but it's

962

:

one of those things where it's like,

Lady Like your husband is telling you

963

:

that he doesn't want this guy around.

964

:

Listen to him, please.

965

:

Katie: You know, I see where you're

coming from, but I disagree a little bit.

966

:

I thought she was pretty

appropriately hearing him out,

967

:

but also She's like, well, this

came out of nowhere yesterday.

968

:

We loved this guy.

969

:

And, you know, in her head, she's

thinking maybe you're overreacting.

970

:

And I really do want to be protected.

971

:

This was very scary.

972

:

I don't know.

973

:

I sort of felt that she was being

realistic about how someone would

974

:

be like you want to hear what your

husband is saying and believe him.

975

:

But then you're like, you have,

she hasn't seen it for herself yet.

976

:

So it's hard for her.

977

:

Sean: Mm

978

:

Katie: I don't know.

979

:

I hear you though.

980

:

That's true.

981

:

Sean: to Ray Liotta's credit, because

Ray Liotta is, I mean, again, the guy's

982

:

a masterful actor, and he is so, I

mean, he's so good at playing the master

983

:

manipulator, you know what I mean?

984

:

And that's exactly what he does.

985

:

The scene where he where he goes to see

Madeline Stowe one on one, and he shows

986

:

her the bullet wound, and he kind of

tells her like, being a cop, this is

987

:

what I have to go through, and maybe

your husband wasn't ready to, you know,

988

:

to walk on the wild side, if you will.

989

:

And this is why I do what I do.

990

:

So I can see where maybe she's coming

from and wanting to believe him.

991

:

But there are just so many moments the

scene at the nightclub that comes up later

992

:

on, where Ray Liotta just, keep calling

him, we should call him Pete, but the

993

:

scene where he shows up at the nightclub

for for Kurt Russell's, you know, big

994

:

grand opening, Madeline Stowe does not see

that as being weird at all that this cop

995

:

is showing up uninvited to a nightclub.

996

:

Yeah.

997

:

Katie: Yeah.

998

:

Sean: Anyway.

999

:

Katie: that's true.

:

00:46:55,122 --> 00:46:55,982

Yeah, that was pretty good.

:

00:46:55,982 --> 00:47:01,462

Yeah, he we see him and it is it's

like little manipulations that and

:

00:47:01,462 --> 00:47:05,092

that's actually kind of a movie

trope like this type of movie trope.

:

00:47:05,092 --> 00:47:06,292

It follows a formula.

:

00:47:06,372 --> 00:47:07,142

This happens.

:

00:47:07,152 --> 00:47:11,502

1 of the spouses sees it happen,

but the, because it's such little

:

00:47:11,502 --> 00:47:16,442

manipulations and so done in such a way

that the other person doesn't see it.

:

00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:20,687

And, you know, it's very tropey,

like the whole movie is very tropey,

:

00:47:20,697 --> 00:47:25,127

but I still liked it because I think

the acting was pretty spectacular.

:

00:47:25,437 --> 00:47:30,807

And especially the, when I was rewatching

it, I'm like, okay, a couple things.

:

00:47:31,567 --> 00:47:35,057

A, I'm really glad that the cat lived

because I'm like, oh, we're introducing

:

00:47:35,057 --> 00:47:37,607

a pet that means a lot to the family.

:

00:47:37,937 --> 00:47:42,027

This does not bode Well, for

Tiny, the gigantic orange cat.

:

00:47:42,807 --> 00:47:47,387

But he lives, he doesn't die,

but immediately when we meet the

:

00:47:47,387 --> 00:47:51,477

friend, Penny, and she's into

Ray, Leota's character, Pete,

:

00:47:51,637 --> 00:47:53,157

I'm like, Oh, she's going to die.

:

00:47:54,997 --> 00:47:59,097

And then I'm screaming at the TV.

:

00:47:59,097 --> 00:48:00,237

He's not dead.

:

00:48:00,237 --> 00:48:00,737

Shoot him.

:

00:48:00,967 --> 00:48:01,557

Shoot him.

:

00:48:01,557 --> 00:48:02,687

He's not dead.

:

00:48:03,017 --> 00:48:03,587

That happens.

:

00:48:03,687 --> 00:48:08,187

Every movie, this type, like step over

him and sure enough, he's not dead.

:

00:48:08,432 --> 00:48:12,402

So anyway, those were like the

three like tropes of this type of

:

00:48:12,592 --> 00:48:14,532

thriller that really stood out to me.

:

00:48:14,972 --> 00:48:15,542

Do you have thoughts?

:

00:48:16,277 --> 00:48:20,167

Sean: Well, yeah, I mean, regarding

the whole, you know, he's not dead,

:

00:48:20,177 --> 00:48:25,397

that's kind of been one of my slight

issues with the film is how almost

:

00:48:25,827 --> 00:48:31,767

his villain character almost kind

of evolves into a Michael Myers.

:

00:48:32,537 --> 00:48:36,247

know, by the end, you know what I

mean, to where he just is completely

:

00:48:36,247 --> 00:48:39,777

unstoppable and, you know, then it's

kind of relying on some of these horror

:

00:48:39,777 --> 00:48:42,167

thriller tropes and, but you know what?

:

00:48:42,177 --> 00:48:46,157

I think in the end we were talking

about this on another podcast.

:

00:48:46,157 --> 00:48:50,297

I guessed it on recently, but, if

anyone else was in the role, Okay.

:

00:48:50,307 --> 00:48:53,357

In these particular roles, you

would look at it as being pretty

:

00:48:53,357 --> 00:48:54,667

absurd and pretty ridiculous.

:

00:48:54,927 --> 00:48:55,357

You know what I mean?

:

00:48:55,657 --> 00:49:00,727

But because you have Kurt Russell, who

is acting his ass off, and then you have

:

00:49:00,947 --> 00:49:02,507

Ray Liotta, and then Madeline Stowe.

:

00:49:02,507 --> 00:49:04,157

I mean, these are all amazing actors.

:

00:49:04,487 --> 00:49:09,407

They are selling it so well that

you're able to kind of look past

:

00:49:09,717 --> 00:49:12,187

the overall kind of silliness of it.

:

00:49:12,887 --> 00:49:14,117

And go along with it.

:

00:49:14,177 --> 00:49:14,837

You know what I mean?

:

00:49:14,997 --> 00:49:16,397

But no, yeah, you're exactly right.

:

00:49:16,417 --> 00:49:21,877

It is kind of interesting how by

the end it kind of does devolve into

:

00:49:21,877 --> 00:49:24,957

a standard home invasion thriller.

:

00:49:25,237 --> 00:49:31,127

However, I will say I do love,

there's a moment in the film I

:

00:49:31,127 --> 00:49:34,227

mentioned how Kurt Russell is slammed

in the head with a frying pan.

:

00:49:35,037 --> 00:49:35,477

how.

:

00:49:35,897 --> 00:49:37,957

I mean, how many times have we seen

that in movies where the characters

:

00:49:37,977 --> 00:49:42,867

get hit and they fall down and then

they either get knocked out or they get

:

00:49:42,887 --> 00:49:44,497

back up and they can continue fighting.

:

00:49:44,497 --> 00:49:48,137

What I love about this is, I

mean, it clocks Kurt Russell.

:

00:49:48,137 --> 00:49:52,847

He falls to the ground and you

see him completely of his element.

:

00:49:52,877 --> 00:49:57,217

You don't know where he is, but

he gets that wonderful line to

:

00:49:58,167 --> 00:50:01,857

Ray Liotta when Ray Liotta calls

the security alarm company, right?

:

00:50:01,857 --> 00:50:01,927

Yeah.

:

00:50:02,952 --> 00:50:06,212

Calls him and he says, Oh,

the password is pyramid.

:

00:50:06,422 --> 00:50:07,932

And they said, Oh no, that's not right.

:

00:50:08,072 --> 00:50:09,652

And then Kurt Russell gets that line.

:

00:50:09,672 --> 00:50:12,132

I'm not going to repeat it,

but he says, figure it out.

:

00:50:12,172 --> 00:50:13,032

Seven letters.

:

00:50:14,252 --> 00:50:15,732

And then he says, F you.

:

00:50:15,972 --> 00:50:20,382

I mean, and the way Kurt Russell

says it as he's like, you know, down

:

00:50:20,502 --> 00:50:22,022

on the verge of death or whatever.

:

00:50:22,052 --> 00:50:25,997

I mean, it's one of the reasons

why I just think Kurt Russell's is

:

00:50:26,047 --> 00:50:28,917

awesome because even in a moment

like that where he's at his ass

:

00:50:28,957 --> 00:50:32,407

kicked he still dominates the scene.

:

00:50:33,372 --> 00:50:33,922

Katie: That's true.

:

00:50:33,922 --> 00:50:36,802

And there was another similar

point where he kind of feeds

:

00:50:36,802 --> 00:50:38,902

Ray Liotta's line back to him.

:

00:50:38,952 --> 00:50:43,452

There's a time in the movie where,

you know, Ray Liotta says to, to

:

00:50:43,452 --> 00:50:46,317

Kurt, I'm not going to arrest you.

:

00:50:46,367 --> 00:50:47,857

I'm going to kill you.

:

00:50:48,447 --> 00:50:53,567

And so then Kirk gets to say that

basically back to Ray Liotta.

:

00:50:53,697 --> 00:50:54,987

No, I'm not going to arrest you.

:

00:50:55,007 --> 00:50:56,607

And then he doesn't say

I'm going to kill you.

:

00:50:56,607 --> 00:50:57,987

He just does kill him.

:

00:50:58,387 --> 00:51:02,147

And then the gun, he drops

the gun, literally smoking.

:

00:51:02,157 --> 00:51:05,127

He drops the literal

smoking gun to the floor.

:

00:51:05,137 --> 00:51:08,237

And then, yeah, that's the final scene

when they do go out to the porch and

:

00:51:08,237 --> 00:51:09,817

then the police are on their way.

:

00:51:09,867 --> 00:51:10,497

But yeah.

:

00:51:11,387 --> 00:51:15,567

With the security system and the

password, you bringing that up.

:

00:51:18,087 --> 00:51:21,777

I, again, like watching this, he's

there helping them install the

:

00:51:21,777 --> 00:51:26,107

security system and he asks them

what he wants the password to be.

:

00:51:26,117 --> 00:51:26,727

It's got to be 7.

:

00:51:26,757 --> 00:51:29,897

And in my head, I'm like, oh,

you should immediately change it.

:

00:51:30,107 --> 00:51:32,457

Now he knows your past your password.

:

00:51:33,507 --> 00:51:36,507

Sean: And is a cop there helping them?

:

00:51:36,997 --> 00:51:38,387

Install the security system.

:

00:51:38,387 --> 00:51:40,737

That's the other thing, too,

that's always kind of bugged me.

:

00:51:40,737 --> 00:51:45,247

I mean, even in:

companies, the technicians who are there.

:

00:51:45,417 --> 00:51:47,587

Why is a cop there helping?

:

00:51:48,357 --> 00:51:49,587

And why are they allowing it?

:

00:51:49,597 --> 00:51:49,987

You know what I mean?

:

00:51:51,367 --> 00:51:52,687

Katie: He pulled some strings.

:

00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:53,107

Sean: right.

:

00:51:53,227 --> 00:51:53,917

Well, yeah.

:

00:51:54,112 --> 00:51:54,462

Katie: yeah.

:

00:51:54,692 --> 00:51:55,092

yeah.

:

00:51:55,247 --> 00:51:55,567

Sean: Yeah.

:

00:51:56,452 --> 00:51:57,732

Katie: I also, I don't know.

:

00:51:57,822 --> 00:51:59,152

I felt this was kind of funny.

:

00:51:59,492 --> 00:52:01,872

There's just terms, things

in the early nineties, right?

:

00:52:01,882 --> 00:52:06,702

So we have the very early cell

phones and only it's like the only

:

00:52:06,702 --> 00:52:08,502

really business y type men have them.

:

00:52:08,502 --> 00:52:12,332

And so all three of them check their

phones when the When somebody gets

:

00:52:12,332 --> 00:52:13,582

a call, he's like, Oh, it's me.

:

00:52:14,062 --> 00:52:20,792

That, and then the term cock teaser,

Ray Liotta, before he attempts

:

00:52:20,872 --> 00:52:25,192

to essentially rape Madeline

Stowe, he calls her cock teaser.

:

00:52:25,932 --> 00:52:27,482

You don't hear that anymore much.

:

00:52:27,482 --> 00:52:28,012

Do you?

:

00:52:28,657 --> 00:52:31,497

Sean: no, no, no, I yeah.

:

00:52:32,112 --> 00:52:32,282

Katie: Mm

:

00:52:32,347 --> 00:52:34,057

Sean: I, I think you said enough there.

:

00:52:34,057 --> 00:52:35,737

Yeah, so much.

:

00:52:35,887 --> 00:52:38,567

I mean, there's a few things

about this film that, I mean,

:

00:52:38,627 --> 00:52:39,927

you wouldn't get nowadays.

:

00:52:39,947 --> 00:52:45,222

I mean, Obviously, you know, due to

events you know, that have happened

:

00:52:45,232 --> 00:52:50,062

within the past four years I do

think we, we could still see a or

:

00:52:50,062 --> 00:52:53,702

actually we do still see, excuse me

films that portray police officers in

:

00:52:53,712 --> 00:52:55,142

negative lights, you know what I mean?

:

00:52:55,162 --> 00:52:56,492

Obviously but

:

00:52:57,532 --> 00:52:57,622

a

:

00:52:57,882 --> 00:52:58,072

Katie: hmm.

:

00:52:58,132 --> 00:52:58,752

Sean: this, I mean,

:

00:52:58,752 --> 00:52:59,322

I don't know.

:

00:52:59,322 --> 00:53:04,012

I mean, I feel like, again, this

screams of a film that at most

:

00:53:04,012 --> 00:53:06,822

would get dropped on Netflix with.

:

00:53:07,307 --> 00:53:09,637

Very little fanfare or anything like that.

:

00:53:09,637 --> 00:53:12,427

And it would just kind

of kind of dissipate.

:

00:53:12,487 --> 00:53:13,067

You know what I mean?

:

00:53:13,087 --> 00:53:14,377

It would kind of go away.

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00:53:14,697 --> 00:53:15,127

But

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00:53:15,582 --> 00:53:17,182

Katie: Yep.

:

00:53:17,247 --> 00:53:21,947

Sean: the fact that something like

this went theatrical and we're

:

00:53:21,947 --> 00:53:24,007

still talking about it to this day.

:

00:53:24,037 --> 00:53:26,837

30 years later, I think that's

something else that that

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00:53:28,102 --> 00:53:29,752

Warrants a some praise for it.

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00:53:29,752 --> 00:53:30,262

You know what I mean?

:

00:53:30,602 --> 00:53:33,092

Because there are, I mean, let's face

it, there, there are a few films in

:

00:53:33,092 --> 00:53:37,882

Kurt Russell's filmography that I

don't think stand up as well or that

:

00:53:37,882 --> 00:53:40,612

we really don't, you know, talk about

the kind of have gotten forgotten.

:

00:53:40,832 --> 00:53:44,712

But this is one that, considering he just

plays an everyman that's overshadowed

:

00:53:44,762 --> 00:53:48,712

by Ray Liotta, there's still so many

things about it that help it kind of,

:

00:53:49,002 --> 00:53:50,812

that help it kind of pop and stand up.

:

00:53:51,702 --> 00:53:52,412

Katie: Yeah, you're right.

:

00:53:52,452 --> 00:53:57,792

Ray Liotta actually was nominated

for an MTV movie award as

:

00:53:57,792 --> 00:53:59,732

the best villain this year.

:

00:53:59,732 --> 00:54:01,422

He didn't win, but he was nominated.

:

00:54:01,592 --> 00:54:04,502

I think the single white female chick won.

:

00:54:05,062 --> 00:54:05,572

That year.

:

00:54:05,992 --> 00:54:06,482

Sean: Interesting.

:

00:54:06,752 --> 00:54:07,322

Katie: a good villain,

:

00:54:08,122 --> 00:54:10,842

Sean: Do you want to know, I don't know,

do they still do the MTV Movie Awards?

:

00:54:11,502 --> 00:54:12,552

Katie: I have no idea.

:

00:54:12,672 --> 00:54:13,332

I don't know.

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00:54:13,662 --> 00:54:13,952

Sean: alright.

:

00:54:14,072 --> 00:54:16,612

Well, I always figured out

how to tell the winners.

:

00:54:17,532 --> 00:54:20,612

Did you, ever figure out the telltale

sign for the, to how to figure out who

:

00:54:20,612 --> 00:54:22,292

was going to win all of various awards?

:

00:54:23,152 --> 00:54:23,752

Katie: No.

:

00:54:23,752 --> 00:54:24,952

At the MTV movie awards?

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00:54:24,952 --> 00:54:25,522

No.

:

00:54:25,532 --> 00:54:26,232

Sean: figured this out?

:

00:54:26,232 --> 00:54:28,672

So, I don't

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00:54:28,672 --> 00:54:29,332

know if it still

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00:54:29,402 --> 00:54:29,522

But

:

00:54:29,522 --> 00:54:33,222

throughout the 90s I was watching the MTV

Movie Awards, and you could always tell.

:

00:54:34,267 --> 00:54:35,457

Who was going to win?

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00:54:35,727 --> 00:54:36,027

Okay.

:

00:54:36,047 --> 00:54:39,677

Any of the various any of the

various awards by who they

:

00:54:39,677 --> 00:54:40,917

announced at the very beginning.

:

00:54:40,917 --> 00:54:44,497

So if you remember when they would

air the MTV movie awards at the very

:

00:54:44,497 --> 00:54:48,997

beginning, they would say with special

appearances by, and they would rattle

:

00:54:48,997 --> 00:54:53,197

off all of the celebrities, all of

the musical artists, everybody that

:

00:54:53,317 --> 00:54:54,517

was going to be making an appearance.

:

00:54:55,142 --> 00:54:55,662

Okay.

:

00:54:55,832 --> 00:54:58,922

They would rattle that off at the very

beginning before the show even started.

:

00:54:59,192 --> 00:54:59,582

Okay.

:

00:54:59,842 --> 00:55:04,042

So if that person who was nominated,

say for example, Ray Liotta, okay.

:

00:55:04,232 --> 00:55:08,132

If Ray Liotta was nominated and his

name was spouted at the beginning,

:

00:55:08,492 --> 00:55:13,082

okay, with special appearances by Ray

Liotta, Tom Cruise, whatever, then

:

00:55:13,232 --> 00:55:18,372

you could pretty much guarantee 95

percent he was going to win the award

:

00:55:18,592 --> 00:55:22,742

because special appearance, he was going

to be on stage accepting the award.

:

00:55:22,742 --> 00:55:23,042

Right?

:

00:55:23,052 --> 00:55:23,082

Okay.

:

00:55:24,862 --> 00:55:26,022

Fun fact for you, at least that's

:

00:55:26,022 --> 00:55:26,672

how I always,

:

00:55:26,712 --> 00:55:28,122

Katie: Oh my god.

:

00:55:28,502 --> 00:55:29,272

Sean: it in my mind.

:

00:55:29,742 --> 00:55:29,942

So

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00:55:30,842 --> 00:55:31,682

Katie: Well, yeah.

:

00:55:32,202 --> 00:55:33,612

I can't believe they did that.

:

00:55:34,282 --> 00:55:34,552

Yeah.

:

00:55:34,557 --> 00:55:38,152

The reason that they're special

appearing is 'cause they win the award.

:

00:55:38,482 --> 00:55:39,352

That's hilarious.

:

00:55:39,662 --> 00:55:40,232

I love it.

:

00:55:41,082 --> 00:55:46,927

Yeah, Well, so I also I thought that

Madeline Stowe, I was putting myself

:

00:55:46,927 --> 00:55:50,917

in her shoes and I thought she did a

really good job of, she has to like,

:

00:55:50,917 --> 00:55:52,957

fake that she's into Ray Liotta.

:

00:55:52,967 --> 00:55:56,577

He breaks back in and he's cooking

her dinner and he's delusional.

:

00:55:56,577 --> 00:55:58,347

He thinks they're going

to be together now.

:

00:55:58,777 --> 00:56:02,197

And she has to kind of pretend to

go along to try and save herself.

:

00:56:02,197 --> 00:56:03,817

And I thought those

scenes were really good.

:

00:56:03,817 --> 00:56:05,127

What else stood out to you?

:

00:56:06,497 --> 00:56:08,097

the ride along was really good.

:

00:56:08,282 --> 00:56:08,602

Sean: along

:

00:56:08,707 --> 00:56:09,557

Katie: Are there other scenes?

:

00:56:09,652 --> 00:56:09,932

Mm

:

00:56:10,272 --> 00:56:12,022

Sean: I like the one that

you mentioned as well.

:

00:56:12,022 --> 00:56:15,622

I mean, I think another really

good scene is the confrontation.

:

00:56:16,042 --> 00:56:18,812

Well, actually there's two real

good confrontations between

:

00:56:19,082 --> 00:56:20,632

Kurt Russell and Ray Liotta.

:

00:56:20,812 --> 00:56:22,202

The first one is at the nightclub.

:

00:56:22,662 --> 00:56:26,662

Okay, like we mentioned where where

Russell, you know, can I just say,

:

00:56:27,462 --> 00:56:30,592

think we alluded to it in in Tango

and Cash, but when Kurt Russell

:

00:56:30,592 --> 00:56:32,862

yells, especially when he yells at

:

00:56:32,862 --> 00:56:33,252

someone.

:

00:56:33,302 --> 00:56:33,602

He

:

00:56:33,682 --> 00:56:34,322

Katie: hmm.

:

00:56:34,362 --> 00:56:34,882

Sean: it so well.

:

00:56:35,082 --> 00:56:36,262

But when he screams at

:

00:56:36,342 --> 00:56:36,632

Ray

:

00:56:36,822 --> 00:56:37,302

Katie: You're right.

:

00:56:37,402 --> 00:56:41,032

Sean: know, says F U and then Ray

Liotta has that great line to him

:

00:56:41,032 --> 00:56:42,642

where he says pigeons are watching.

:

00:56:42,842 --> 00:56:46,022

I hope they don't fly away,

referring to the investors who

:

00:56:46,022 --> 00:56:47,282

were investing in the club.

:

00:56:47,642 --> 00:56:48,992

I think that was a wonderful scene.

:

00:56:49,212 --> 00:56:49,972

But the other

:

00:56:50,182 --> 00:56:50,702

Katie: Mm

:

00:56:50,992 --> 00:56:54,422

Sean: oddly enough, I actually

remember a clip from this.

:

00:56:54,942 --> 00:56:55,582

How do I say it?

:

00:56:55,832 --> 00:57:01,282

I remember a still from this next

scene being on the VHS box art,

:

00:57:01,592 --> 00:57:05,212

but it was the scene where Kurt

Russell approaches Ray Liotta and

:

00:57:05,212 --> 00:57:06,782

essentially attempts to buy him off.

:

00:57:06,802 --> 00:57:11,702

Like, Hey, I'm going to give you money so

that you can leave us alone and walk away.

:

00:57:11,932 --> 00:57:12,942

And if you remember,

:

00:57:13,002 --> 00:57:13,462

Katie: Hmm.

:

00:57:13,462 --> 00:57:13,782

Mm hmm.

:

00:57:14,357 --> 00:57:18,157

Sean: Pete throws a throws a

baton into Kurt Russell's stomach

:

00:57:18,397 --> 00:57:19,627

and then puts a gun to his head.

:

00:57:19,917 --> 00:57:23,477

And it's at that moment, in case

it wasn't clear already before that

:

00:57:23,477 --> 00:57:27,677

this guy is completely unhinged

of Kurt Russell has met his match.

:

00:57:27,727 --> 00:57:30,277

He's probably outmatched

to be perfectly honest.

:

00:57:30,327 --> 00:57:31,227

I thought that was really cool.

:

00:57:31,367 --> 00:57:37,167

I will say again another critique that

I would have with the film is, I mean,

:

00:57:37,817 --> 00:57:41,627

again, Ray Liotta is amazing in the movie,

but if you look at the final fight that

:

00:57:41,627 --> 00:57:47,037

they have, I mean, you would think being,

you know, and maybe, maybe you should have

:

00:57:47,047 --> 00:57:50,917

had Doug on for this because he can talk

to you about, you know, police training

:

00:57:50,917 --> 00:57:55,147

tactics or whatever, but you would think

that Ray Liotta would be using him.

:

00:57:55,907 --> 00:57:59,507

Some of the moves that they teach in

the academy or in law enforcement on

:

00:57:59,767 --> 00:58:04,387

Kurt Russell, but in the end, they're

just completely thrown whatever they

:

00:58:04,387 --> 00:58:05,737

can in the kitchen at each other.

:

00:58:05,737 --> 00:58:06,307

You know what I mean?

:

00:58:06,685 --> 00:58:07,445

Katie: Brawling.

:

00:58:07,561 --> 00:58:08,211

Sean: more brawling,

:

00:58:08,395 --> 00:58:08,795

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:58:08,861 --> 00:58:09,401

Sean: think,

:

00:58:09,515 --> 00:58:10,115

Katie: a good point.

:

00:58:10,955 --> 00:58:11,755

Really good point.

:

00:58:12,125 --> 00:58:14,395

So, did you enjoy the sex scene?

:

00:58:14,435 --> 00:58:19,595

I had not, I forgot like Madeline Stowe

is like pretty naked the whole time.

:

00:58:19,645 --> 00:58:23,555

I don't think I recalled

that from previous viewings.

:

00:58:24,261 --> 00:58:28,771

Sean: Well, if you can go back this

far this, you know, again, pre internet

:

00:58:28,771 --> 00:58:34,651

and things like that this was a film

that was, you know, Rewound for certain

:

00:58:34,681 --> 00:58:39,441

scenes among among pre teenage boys in

the early 90s for reasons like that.

:

00:58:39,541 --> 00:58:39,931

So

:

00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:40,780

Katie: Sure.

:

00:58:41,650 --> 00:58:43,230

Yeah, I bring that.

:

00:58:43,230 --> 00:58:50,520

up because I read, that they did

not use body doubles, both of them,

:

00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:53,210

Kurt and Madeline, that's both them.

:

00:58:53,620 --> 00:58:54,510

Not body doubles.

:

00:58:54,590 --> 00:58:57,380

They wanted it to be real.

:

00:58:58,011 --> 00:59:03,411

Sean: Well good for them they were both

still in their prime so sense, right

:

00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:06,860

Katie: Yeah, if you

look good, I guess why.

:

00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:07,740

Yeah, yeah.

:

00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,160

I did not realize that

Ray Liotta and Roger E.

:

00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,130

Mosley actually have the

same birthday, December 18th.

:

00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:21,890

And they both died in:

three months of each other.

:

00:59:23,461 --> 00:59:29,791

Sean: Oh interesting I did not so Yeah,

didn't I thought that roger mosley

:

00:59:29,791 --> 00:59:31,681

died this past year though, didn't he?

:

00:59:32,611 --> 00:59:33,596

But I guess.

:

00:59:33,646 --> 00:59:34,046

Okay.

:

00:59:34,076 --> 00:59:34,396

Yeah.

:

00:59:34,706 --> 00:59:34,926

Yeah.

:

00:59:35,116 --> 00:59:39,006

I mean, both amazing actors, especially

Ray Liotta, one who we lost way too soon.

:

00:59:40,006 --> 00:59:41,326

So I remember when I heard that, I

:

00:59:41,326 --> 00:59:41,946

couldn't believe

:

00:59:42,050 --> 00:59:42,750

Katie: Oh, yeah.

:

00:59:42,850 --> 00:59:43,640

Really bummer.

:

00:59:43,736 --> 00:59:44,076

Sean: Mm hmm.

:

00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:46,400

Katie: Yeah, I'm a big fan as well.

:

00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,110

I really like Ray Liotta.

:

00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:48,640

Okay.

:

00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,390

apparently it's like, well,

what exactly in police terms or

:

00:59:52,460 --> 00:59:54,760

legal terms is unlawful entry?

:

00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:56,770

Well, apparently the U.

:

00:59:56,770 --> 00:59:56,910

S.

:

00:59:56,950 --> 01:00:01,440

legal website defines it as

an illegal entry upon lands

:

01:00:01,460 --> 01:00:03,620

or structures without force.

:

01:00:04,155 --> 01:00:10,975

But by means of fraud, or other willful

wrong burglary, maybe 1 of these types

:

01:00:12,095 --> 01:00:19,315

force forcible entry attempted forcible

entry or on lawful entry on lawful entry

:

01:00:19,315 --> 01:00:23,545

refers to persons without the legal

right to be on a property who've gained

:

01:00:23,545 --> 01:00:27,222

entry, even though force was not used.

:

01:00:27,222 --> 01:00:31,219

I guess that's how it's

different than forcible entry.

:

01:00:32,209 --> 01:00:32,979

Sean: Interesting.

:

01:00:33,219 --> 01:00:33,549

Katie: Just

:

01:00:33,939 --> 01:00:35,449

it's entry that is unlawful.

:

01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:36,609

Mhm.

:

01:00:36,949 --> 01:00:37,269

Sean: Yeah.

:

01:00:37,769 --> 01:00:38,079

Yeah.

:

01:00:38,649 --> 01:00:38,909

Yeah.

:

01:00:39,049 --> 01:00:41,839

Well, I mean, and if you think

about it, they've always made,

:

01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:42,869

they've made quite a few.

:

01:00:42,899 --> 01:00:46,349

I say quite a few, but

it seems like oftentimes.

:

01:00:47,374 --> 01:00:51,624

A lot of some of these action movies,

you know, one of the ways to establish

:

01:00:51,624 --> 01:00:57,294

that your hero is also an everyman

is he's protecting his family from

:

01:00:57,554 --> 01:01:01,824

a, from someone who is invading his

home unlawfully, you know what I mean?

:

01:01:01,874 --> 01:01:02,024

I'm

:

01:01:02,219 --> 01:01:02,729

Katie: Mhm.

:

01:01:02,854 --> 01:01:06,524

Sean: sentence with Kevin Bacon,

Stephen Dorff did one called felon

:

01:01:06,794 --> 01:01:08,464

which was, you know, really good.

:

01:01:08,464 --> 01:01:10,534

So I think it's kind of, an easy.

:

01:01:11,179 --> 01:01:11,879

How do I say this?

:

01:01:11,879 --> 01:01:17,889

I don't want to say easy, but it is

a kind of a keen way to establish

:

01:01:17,909 --> 01:01:21,029

multiple things to establish

that your hero isn't every man.

:

01:01:21,049 --> 01:01:25,319

Is it also a family man, but is

not this ultimate action hero?

:

01:01:25,499 --> 01:01:26,159

You know what I mean?

:

01:01:26,489 --> 01:01:27,409

It's it kind

:

01:01:27,409 --> 01:01:27,569

of

:

01:01:28,089 --> 01:01:28,649

Katie: Mhm.

:

01:01:28,809 --> 01:01:29,779

Sean: both needs, you know,

:

01:01:30,819 --> 01:01:31,249

Katie: agreed.

:

01:01:31,929 --> 01:01:37,789

Can you think of any potential other

castings for officer Pete Davis?

:

01:01:37,799 --> 01:01:41,149

If it wasn't Ray Liotta who

they might have considered?

:

01:01:43,859 --> 01:01:47,399

Sean: I mean, off the top of my

head, I'm trying to think:

:

01:01:49,514 --> 01:01:52,204

Man, I think Lance Henriksen

would have been good.

:

01:01:53,074 --> 01:01:55,294

he would have been a little

older, you know what I mean?

:

01:01:55,324 --> 01:01:56,624

Than Ray Liotta, but I think he

:

01:01:56,624 --> 01:01:57,214

might have been pretty

:

01:01:57,369 --> 01:01:57,849

Katie: Mhm.

:

01:01:59,684 --> 01:02:00,704

Sean: Robert Patrick.

:

01:02:01,534 --> 01:02:03,584

an, he had already done the T:

:

01:02:03,584 --> 01:02:04,094

Terminator

:

01:02:04,139 --> 01:02:06,359

Katie: Oh, that would have

been, yeah you're right.

:

01:02:06,584 --> 01:02:07,824

Sean: that would have been pretty good.

:

01:02:07,904 --> 01:02:10,624

In hindsight, it's probably for the

best that he didn't do that, because

:

01:02:10,624 --> 01:02:12,484

then he would have really been typecast.

:

01:02:12,794 --> 01:02:14,544

But I think that would

have really been good.

:

01:02:16,794 --> 01:02:17,254

Yeah.

:

01:02:17,364 --> 01:02:18,894

Katie: He has a cop look to him.

:

01:02:18,954 --> 01:02:21,374

Sean: I think for the role of

Pete, though, you know, kind

:

01:02:21,374 --> 01:02:23,814

of like with Kurt Russell's

character, you need that every man.

:

01:02:23,984 --> 01:02:30,344

I mean, Patrick Swayze have easily filled

the role of Kurt Russell's character.

:

01:02:30,354 --> 01:02:31,734

I mean, you know, 100%.

:

01:02:32,044 --> 01:02:32,234

But I

:

01:02:32,254 --> 01:02:33,054

think for the Pete

:

01:02:33,064 --> 01:02:33,404

Katie: Yep.

:

01:02:33,854 --> 01:02:37,364

Sean: you do need someone who's

pretty slender, pretty wiry.

:

01:02:37,644 --> 01:02:40,494

And you do need someone who

has the menace in their eyes.

:

01:02:40,964 --> 01:02:42,314

And so I think that's

:

01:02:42,314 --> 01:02:43,264

what Ray

:

01:02:43,264 --> 01:02:44,484

Liotta certainly brings.

:

01:02:44,584 --> 01:02:47,254

Robert Patrick like I said,

Lance Henriksen, I think

:

01:02:47,504 --> 01:02:48,413

might've been pretty good.

:

01:02:48,574 --> 01:02:50,754

But again, I think he might've

been on the older side.

:

01:02:50,754 --> 01:02:54,014

You need someone kind of in that

late thirties, early forties,

:

01:02:54,034 --> 01:02:55,934

kind of, age range to sell it.

:

01:02:56,874 --> 01:02:58,884

Katie: Yeah I like your picks a lot.

:

01:02:59,384 --> 01:03:04,984

Apparently Kevin Bacon was considered and

he's played some menacing people before.

:

01:03:05,504 --> 01:03:09,354

But the following people turned

it down, offered, but turned it.

:

01:03:09,354 --> 01:03:09,764

down.

:

01:03:10,134 --> 01:03:16,634

Tom Berenger, Mel Gibson,

Charlie Sheen, and John Travolta.

:

01:03:18,714 --> 01:03:21,604

Sean: I could, you know what, I'm

not a big fan of Charlie Sheen.

:

01:03:21,784 --> 01:03:23,694

I could have seen him it.

:

01:03:23,734 --> 01:03:25,674

I definitely could have

seen Kevin Bacon do this.

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I think

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Tiana Baker probably

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As the

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Katie: Kevin Bacon, Tom Berenger, maybe.

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Sean: might have been okay.

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Yeah.

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01:03:31,744 --> 01:03:32,104

Katie: Yeah.

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Sean: Yeah.

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You know who actually

would have been really good

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around this time?

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01:03:35,024 --> 01:03:35,974

Now that I think about it?

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01:03:36,394 --> 01:03:37,174

Billy Zane.

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you remember Billy Zane.

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So

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this was

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Katie: Ooh.

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01:03:42,023 --> 01:03:42,833

Yeah.

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01:03:42,894 --> 01:03:43,264

Sean: too.

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01:03:43,333 --> 01:03:43,633

Katie: call.

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01:03:43,784 --> 01:03:45,904

Sean: You know, because he

also has the real handsome

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01:03:46,473 --> 01:03:47,273

Katie: That's a good one.

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01:03:47,594 --> 01:03:48,744

Sean: kind of look about him too.

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01:03:48,744 --> 01:03:49,918

So.

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01:03:49,969 --> 01:03:52,969

Katie: He did need to be, you

know, somewhat attractive.

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01:03:52,969 --> 01:03:53,749

Yeah, I agree.

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01:03:54,169 --> 01:03:58,559

Now, there's plenty, I mean, it's like,

okay, who else could have played Kurt?

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01:03:58,569 --> 01:04:02,559

You said Patrick but there are a

couple people who were considered to

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01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:04,089

play Michael Carr instead of Kurt.

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01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:05,239

Any guesses?

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01:04:10,374 --> 01:04:12,794

Sean: well, I'm assuming was

Kevin Bacon approached as well?

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01:04:13,124 --> 01:04:14,644

That would make sense to me, but no,

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01:04:15,163 --> 01:04:15,644

probably not.

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01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:17,369

Katie: No, because he was for Pete.

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01:04:17,424 --> 01:04:17,744

Sean: Kiefer

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01:04:17,869 --> 01:04:18,639

Katie: was for Pete.

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01:04:18,874 --> 01:04:19,574

Sean: Sutherland would have been a

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01:04:19,679 --> 01:04:20,609

Katie: Another Kevin.

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01:04:21,294 --> 01:04:23,984

Sean: No, I don't

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01:04:24,349 --> 01:04:24,749

Katie: Okay.

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01:04:24,754 --> 01:04:28,784

Sean: Jason Patrick might have been

pretty good as well, but no, who else?

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01:04:30,385 --> 01:04:33,345

Katie: Kevin Costner, Jeff

Bridges, and Bill Pullman.

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01:04:33,735 --> 01:04:36,015

They're all that kind of generic looking

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01:04:38,075 --> 01:04:40,195

Kurt was the right way to go.

:

01:04:40,225 --> 01:04:43,565

I really do think that the casting

was pretty good for this movie.

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01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:44,560

Sean: Well, and.

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01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:47,790

Now that you mention it, you know,

I mean, as we're kind of wrapping up

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01:04:47,790 --> 01:04:49,840

with what's interesting is they did.

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01:04:50,590 --> 01:04:53,940

remake this movie to an extent, sort of.

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01:04:54,220 --> 01:04:58,720

Back in they did the movie

Lakeview Terrace, Samuel L.

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01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,870

Jackson played the played

the cop who was antagonizing

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01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:02,240

the the

:

01:05:02,355 --> 01:05:02,375

Katie: Mmm.

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01:05:02,385 --> 01:05:05,285

Mm hmm.

:

01:05:05,590 --> 01:05:09,080

Sean: who played the Kurt Russell

analog was Patrick Wilson.

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01:05:09,290 --> 01:05:13,740

And I feel like Patrick Wilson nowadays

is just, I mean, he's an okay actor,

:

01:05:13,770 --> 01:05:17,410

but it feels like anytime they need

someone just to play that kind of.

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01:05:17,895 --> 01:05:23,715

Bland, everyman, kind of white male,

they always go with Patrick Wilson.

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01:05:23,965 --> 01:05:25,795

And so, yeah, it's interesting.

:

01:05:25,845 --> 01:05:29,855

I think both those, both these

films would are kind of, make

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01:05:29,865 --> 01:05:30,805

for a good double feature.

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01:05:31,705 --> 01:05:32,435

Katie: Yeah, good point.

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01:05:32,445 --> 01:05:32,995

Good point.

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01:05:33,455 --> 01:05:37,985

My closing thoughts on this movie are

essentially that it's a good watch.

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01:05:37,985 --> 01:05:39,425

It's very generic.

:

01:05:39,904 --> 01:05:45,025

I do like a psychological thriller, but

what elevates this movie is the stars.

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01:05:45,055 --> 01:05:50,475

They really bring an energy to

it and the music really helped.

:

01:05:50,505 --> 01:05:53,615

And I liked how we kind of

closed the loop at the beginning.

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01:05:54,145 --> 01:05:55,315

With the, and the end.

:

01:05:55,335 --> 01:05:59,005

So at the beginning, it's like an an

aerial shot and with helicopters in

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01:05:59,005 --> 01:06:01,575

the background of the music over LA.

:

01:06:01,585 --> 01:06:05,995

And then we see their Spanish style

house with Karen swimming in the pool.

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01:06:06,015 --> 01:06:11,295

And then at the end, it kind of

comes full circle with the music

:

01:06:11,295 --> 01:06:15,105

again, with the police helicopters

in the background, so I really liked

:

01:06:15,105 --> 01:06:17,135

that there was the bookends on it.

:

01:06:17,435 --> 01:06:19,000

What are your final

thoughts about the movie?

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01:06:19,570 --> 01:06:20,740

Unlawful entry, Sean.

:

01:06:21,605 --> 01:06:24,785

Sean: I mean, I think we've kind

of, we've kind of, about it and

:

01:06:24,785 --> 01:06:26,065

danced around it in a lot of ways.

:

01:06:26,095 --> 01:06:29,785

I think it's it's probably not, it's

not my favorite Kurt Russell film.

:

01:06:29,935 --> 01:06:33,805

And I think a lot of that is because

he's overshadowed by by Ray Liotta.

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01:06:34,065 --> 01:06:36,035

But again, like I said, I

think that's actually to the

:

01:06:36,035 --> 01:06:36,265

film's

:

01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:37,130

Katie: Mm hmm.

:

01:06:37,485 --> 01:06:40,145

Sean: I think any film, there's

that old saying, your film was

:

01:06:40,145 --> 01:06:41,275

only as good as it's villain.

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01:06:41,705 --> 01:06:44,635

And you need a good villain in order

for the film to kind of stand up.

:

01:06:44,975 --> 01:06:48,175

And so I think in the end that

actually kind of works for it.

:

01:06:48,475 --> 01:06:50,285

Like I said, it is pretty unsettling.

:

01:06:50,325 --> 01:06:52,545

It is, I kind of go back to this.

:

01:06:52,555 --> 01:06:55,705

It is a pretty trashy

thriller, if you will.

:

01:06:55,895 --> 01:06:57,965

But that's what we got around this time.

:

01:06:58,285 --> 01:07:00,855

I mean, if you think about it,

that's what we got around:

:

01:07:01,075 --> 01:07:01,605

Think about all

:

01:07:01,605 --> 01:07:02,285

the trash.

:

01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:03,100

Of all the

:

01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:06,830

trash throwers we've got, you

mentioned Single Wife Female, but Basic

:

01:07:06,850 --> 01:07:09,300

Instinct Sharon Stone did quite a few,

:

01:07:09,930 --> 01:07:10,550

Katie: Mm hmm.

:

01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:13,760

Sean: one called Sliver, I mean they

were all kind of in the same kind of

:

01:07:13,779 --> 01:07:18,390

vein, but It's, I don't know, it's really

kind of cool seeing, I mean, what's

:

01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,880

unfortunate, to be honest, is that we

didn't get to see another proper team up

:

01:07:22,910 --> 01:07:25,480

movie with Kurt Russell and Ray Liotta.

:

01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,060

I think they really play off each

other really well, and so it's kind of

:

01:07:29,060 --> 01:07:33,320

unfortunate that another script didn't

come along that kind of put them together.

:

01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:39,435

You know, if we're talking cop movies,

Ray Liotta did an awesome cop movie

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01:07:39,435 --> 01:07:44,245

with Sylvester Stallone back in 98

called 97, excuse me, called Copland.

:

01:07:44,555 --> 01:07:46,855

I think that would have been really

kind of cool to see Kurt Russell

:

01:07:46,865 --> 01:07:48,665

jump on board, but unfortunately,

:

01:07:48,915 --> 01:07:50,235

Unfortunately that didn't happen.

:

01:07:50,285 --> 01:07:54,065

But yeah, in the end you know, if you're

into cop thrillers or even if you're

:

01:07:54,065 --> 01:07:58,082

not into cop thrillers, but you're into

just a good old fashioned you know,

:

01:07:58,082 --> 01:08:02,168

kind of, Lifetime thriller that might

have a little bit more violence and

:

01:08:02,178 --> 01:08:04,478

sex than the typical lifetime movie.

:

01:08:04,688 --> 01:08:08,128

I think Unlawful Entry definitely,

earns a star for that one.

:

01:08:09,128 --> 01:08:10,308

Katie: I agree.

:

01:08:10,518 --> 01:08:13,098

Sean, thank you so much

for joining me again.

:

01:08:13,098 --> 01:08:17,448

It's always great to have

you on retro made and it was

:

01:08:17,448 --> 01:08:18,728

fun reminiscing about this.

:

01:08:18,738 --> 01:08:19,898

I haven't seen it in forever.

:

01:08:19,898 --> 01:08:22,388

So it was fun to talk about

this intense thriller.

:

01:08:22,788 --> 01:08:25,008

Just remind us again

where we can find you.

:

01:08:25,957 --> 01:08:29,077

Sean: Yeah, so, the podcast

is I must break this podcast.

:

01:08:29,158 --> 01:08:32,288

We look at the the, well, we

have, excuse me, looked at the

:

01:08:32,337 --> 01:08:33,888

extensive filmography of Mr.

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01:08:33,888 --> 01:08:34,568

Dolph Lundgren.

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01:08:34,608 --> 01:08:38,158

You can find it on iTunes or wherever

you're subscribed to your podcast.

:

01:08:38,207 --> 01:08:42,308

And it's also on the last of the

action heroes podcast network feed.

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01:08:42,577 --> 01:08:44,127

So, yeah, please check it out.

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01:08:45,327 --> 01:08:46,158

Katie: Awesome.

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01:08:46,348 --> 01:08:47,688

And Hey, you guys, if you like.

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And I mean, I don't know, I'm

going to have to start begging

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01:08:59,788 --> 01:09:02,158

for some reviews here pretty soon.

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01:09:02,178 --> 01:09:04,368

So I very much appreciate a review.

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01:09:04,388 --> 01:09:08,228

Haven't had one in a while, so I

will just say that, but thank you

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01:09:08,228 --> 01:09:11,377

again for tuning in until next time.

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