She's Having a Baby | S2E26

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Kristen will thou have this man to be thy husband?

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I

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Speaker 10: will.

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Speaker 12: Will thou Jefferson have

this woman to be thy wedded wife?

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Speaker 11: Will thou provide

her with credit cards and a four

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bedroom to a one half bath home?

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Speaker 12: Well now listen patiently

to long stories about kids cold kitchen

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towel, clothes, shoes, make a pair of

soft feet and Decorat six foot cover.

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I will.

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I pronounce that Kristen and

Jefferson are husband and wife.

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Speaker 13: In every married life,

there are certain key phrases

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that ignite the imagination.

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What's for dinner tonight?

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Sweetheart?

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Speaker 10: You don't like fish.

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Speaker 14: I love fish.

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It's just a little

overwhelming to have, uh,

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Speaker 10: grouper.

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It's grouper.

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Speaker 13: What are you

going to do with your life?

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Speaker 14: Question is, what can I do?

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Speaker 10: You have a

BA in mass languages.

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What was your minor?

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Speaker 14: Elizabethan poetry.

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Speaker 13: Let's not fight.

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You're not sleeping in

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Speaker 10: this bed.

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Speaker 14: Oh, really?

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Speaker 13: Anywhere

but in this room or in

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Speaker 10: this

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Speaker 13: bed.

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Speaker 14: So what do you want me to do?

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Huh?

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Tell me.

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Tell me, tell me.

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Speaker 13: My parents are

coming over this evening.

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Speaker 15: This is good.

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Jake, you are quite a barbecue chef.

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What is this?

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What is this dirt on here?

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Speaker 16: If I tell you something,

you promise not to get mad.

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Speaker 15: Okay?

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I promise I

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Speaker 13: won't be

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Speaker 15: mad.

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Speaker 13: I stopped taking the pill

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Speaker 17: changed.

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She's having a baby.

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You're going up.

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Now you're settling

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Speaker 13: Kevin Bacon.

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Elizabeth McGovern in a

new film by John Hughes.

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Speaker 18: It's been 48 hours

since our last coalition.

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My temperature's optimum.

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I'm ovulating.

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I have the pillow set up in the position.

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You can watch TV if you get bored.

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Here's to successful fertilization.

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Speaker 13: She's having a baby,

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a baby.

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Katie (2): Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome back to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we're heading back to 1988

to revisit she's Having a Baby,

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which is a more personal entry from

John Hughes that we'll get into.

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This time he steps in as both

writer and director, one of the

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eight where he does do that.

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It's a look at marriage expectations

and growing up with a little bit of

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that Hughes humor and anxiety mixed in.

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And as always, we will check in

on what else was happening in

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1988 with a quick time capsule.

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Joining me is returning guest

and someone clearly not afraid to

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explore a very different corner of

film genre in the podcasting world.

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He is the host of a fairly

new show called Bloody Sam.

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A Peck and pa fan podcast.

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That's a mouthful.

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Welcome back, Scott Murphy.

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Scott: I guess I should have

thought about that when I named it.

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You know, give, give a less complicated

name, but I think I don't know.

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I thought if I just called it Bloody Sam.

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People who are pecking pa of fans

know that his nickname is Bloody Sam.

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But if somebody

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struck, if somebody stumbled across

it, they might need further context.

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So I thought, I thought I

give it the longer name.

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Katie (2): Which is needed for me.

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I needed it.

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So that was smart

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Now you also host all

nineties, all action.

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Scott: Apparently, my specialty is is

creating podcasts with complex names,

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That

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people don't remember.

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it's, it's, no, it's, it's fine.

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It's fine.

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So it's all nineties action all the time.

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Katie (2): Yes.

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And I like that.

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I like the genres that you choose

to cover, so you've been on

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talking about your action podcast.

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But tell us a little more

about your p and pa show.

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Scott: Yeah.

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So, it basically, I, I know

this season of your podcast is

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on the Directors Chair network.

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Ryan, who is the chief of the Directors

Chair Network he reached out to some

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people who had previously been on

the last action here was Podcast

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Network and he was like, is anybody

interested in covering any director?

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And I was like, oh, I wonder.

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And I thought about directors.

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I might be interested in covering Sam

Peck and Pat as a director who I'd

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seen a handful of films from, but we

didn't know all of his filmography.

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But I thought he would just be

an interesting figure to explore

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because I think he arrives at an

interesting period in Hollywood.

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He kind of explodes in that

that kind of new Hollywood wave

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and the kinda late sixties.

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Katie (2): Okay.

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Scott: and also I thought he'd be

interesting to cover in the kind of

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current climate because if Sam Sam PPA

is a director who very much from the

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outside you might think is like the very

embodiment of toxic masculinity, what

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we call toxic masculinity right now.

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And but the reason I enjoy his films or

in, or, or certainly enjoy some of his

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films is because I feel that while he

is the embodiment of toxic masculinity

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in some ways, he also satirizes toxic

masculinity and, and masculine codes

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and that kind of bullshit as well.

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So he's

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like this interesting.

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I I, I find him a fascinating figure.

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Katie (2): Well, I am glad

that you're doing it because

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you're introducing me to him.

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I was completely unaware of his existence.

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I don't know what that says about me,

but everywhere you can find podcasts

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you can find the Peck and Pop podcast.

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It is also on the

Director's Chair network,

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as Scott mentioned, as this

season of John Hughes is.

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So if you're listening to this

on retro Made Feed, go check out

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the Director's Chair network.

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It not only has the season of retro made

covering John Hughes, but it has some

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really interesting coverage of other

directors that typically aren't the super,

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super big hitters that everybody covers.

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So some of them, you'll know most of

them, but they, deserve a little love.

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And so go over there and check

out some really interesting

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coverage and some great movies.

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Good discussions.

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So, and if you're listening to

this on the Director's Chair

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Network, come check out Retro Made.

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Last season we did Patrick

Swayze and Kurt Russell.

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now I think we need to set the stage

to get into the: 1988

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Scott, I know you were just

a we one probably in: 1988

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Scott: I was, I would've

turned three in the

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September.

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Yeah, so, i'm getting my excuses in early.

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So, you know, again, want to mention, as I

mentioned on the previous two appearances,

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I am Scottish so lot if your American

references go over my head and I was.

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Three.

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I I wasn't I for most of the year.

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I wasn't even three.

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I didn't turn three to the September.

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So like

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Katie (2): Okay.

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Okay.

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I will, I hear you.

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I was a little bit older, I turned

seven in August of the year,

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so I have a few years on you.

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I will say we did cover on this

season some of the categories

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on the retro made trivia wheel

in the Great Outdoors episode.

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So go check out more trivia and coverage

of the great outdoors if you would like.

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But Scott, if we come to a category we've

already covered, we'll just spin again.

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Scott: Cool.

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Katie (2): I'm gonna spin on your behalf

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and let's see what category we come to.

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This is fair game.

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Big screen time machine.

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Scott: Great.

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Katie (2): This would be top

movies at the box office for: 1988

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Okay.

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Anything coming to mind?

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I have hints for you, but

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Scott: for 88.

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No.

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For some reason, like 88 is like, there's

certain years of the eighties where like

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82 and 87 and 89 that I can think of, like

movies come straight to mind, but 88 for

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some reason, nothing's coming to mind.

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88

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Katie (2): Maybe some clues will help you.

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A groundbreaking animated

film where cartoons and humans

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interact in a noir style mystery.

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Scott: Oh, this was my

favorite film as a child.

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It's Who Framed?

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Georgia Rabbit.

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I

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love that film.

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Katie (2): It is.

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I remember going to the theater in our

town, like the matinee showing of it.

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I can vividly remember that.

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Loved it.

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Second one,

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a comedy about an African prince who

travels to America to find a wife.

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Scott: ah.

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Coming to America, I'm

a big Eddie Murphy fan.

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I know.

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Katie (2): Are you okay?

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Scott: Yeah.

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I love Eddie Murphy.

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Katie (2): I'm not like, I don't

like dislike him, but I'm not a huge

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fan, but I love coming to America.

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That is such a good movie.

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Scott: Yeah.

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And like I say, I love Eddie Murphy, but

because I, became a fan in the eighties

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and nineties and then, so I've sat through

a lot of terrible, terrible, two thousands

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Eddie Murphy comedies for my sins.

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Katie (2): I hear it.

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I, yep.

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Boomerang.

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I also remember being really good

for some reason, or maybe I was

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just at the age where I liked that.

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I'm not sure.

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Scott: That's a, that's a nice film.

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I remember that

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being, I remember it weirdly, I

don't know, maybe it's just the Eddie

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Murphy factor, but it's not the kind

of film I normally watch as a kid,

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'cause it's a romantic comedy, but I

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remember enjoying it.

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But,

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so yeah.

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Katie (2): And I don't even

like romantic comedies, but

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for some reason I liked that.

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I'm, I'm not sure this next movie, I'm

kind of embarrassed to say I've not seen

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Scott: Oh, okay.

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Katie (2): it, is a dramedy

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Scott: Drama date.

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Katie (2): featuring a radio DJ in Vietnam

delivering laughs and poignant moments.

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Scott: Oh, good morning, Vietnam, the

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Robin Williams.

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Katie (2): Have you seen that?

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Scott: yeah, yeah.

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I also I've seen a lot of Robin

Williams films actually as well.

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Like, there's like certain, comedians

from the eighties, like Rob Williams

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and Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy that

I've seen quite a lot of their films.

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I enjoy their work.

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So yes, I have seen Good Morning Vietnam.

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Katie (2): Do you recommend?

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Scott: Yeah.

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I think it's a good film.

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I think it's, you know, like

it's up there with Rob Williams's

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most iconic performances.

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I, yeah, I would, I would recommend it.

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Katie (2): I will give that a go.

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I'll add it to the ever-growing list.

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The next one really, really good too.

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This is, this is an actor that,

like you said, oh, I'm a big fan

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of Robin Williams, et cetera.

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This is a comedy actor that

I love, like always have,

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especially his eighties stuff.

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Scott: Okay.

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Katie (2): is a heartwarming

story about a boy who wishes to be

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grown up and wakes up as an adult.

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Scott: Ah, it's big.

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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Scott: Yeah.

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That's a great film.

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I, I,

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Katie (2): in the eighties, man.

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Scott: yeah, I love those films as well.

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I think maybe just 'cause I saw them

when they were, when I was young, but

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I love Big and Splash

and Turner and Hooch and,

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and even Dragnet, which still love

people, are not big fans of, but yeah.

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Katie (2): I, I need to find a way

to cover Splash and Turner and Hooch.

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I love, maybe I'll have

to do a Tom Hanks season.

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I don't know.

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Scott: Yeah.

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Oh, that, that'd be, that.

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That'd be great.

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I I would definitely, I, if you tap me

back, I'd definitely come back from that.

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Katie (2): I, I would

definitely have you back.

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Last one.

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These are all bangers.

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I, I

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Scott: Yeah.

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Now this is a great list.

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Katie (2): mm-hmm.

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I, except for the me not

seeing Good Morning Vietnam.

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But the last one is a

sequel to a Hit Comedy

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Scott: Uh

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Katie (2): featuring an Australian

adventurer and his romantic escapades.

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Scott: Oh, it's this, oh, it's

this Crocodile Dundee too.

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Katie (2): It is.

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I think I even watched fairly

recently, within the last year I

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did a, a marathon of the Crocodile

Dundee movies, and they are so good.

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Even the last one, like the

third one is still pretty good,

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Scott: yeah.

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The third, yeah, the third one's

not as good, but I guess it's still,

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it's a long time since I've seen that one.

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I've seen the, the other two much more.

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I remember watching the

first one quite a lot.

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I'm sure I drove my mom crazy,

you know, just constantly quoting

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the, the line that's not on knife.

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This is a knife.

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Katie (2): Crikey.

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Oh God.

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I love Crocodile Dundee.

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Yeah.

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Poor Australians.

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Have to listen to Americans Bad

Australian accents all the time.

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Just quoting that movie.

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Scott: I mean, it's the

same with British people.

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Yeah, we mainly quoting that film

and also there's an Australian soap

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called Neighbors, which is very

popular in the uk, so we always,

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Katie (2): I've heard of that.

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Okay?

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Mm-hmm.

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Alright.

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You did pretty good.

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You got every single

one of 'em, didn't you?

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Good job, Scott.

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Scott: Yeah.

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Katie (2): Let's try another

category and see how you fare.

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Scott: Yeah.

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No.

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Katie (2): Retro runway.

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So this is trends, fashion, et cetera.

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Scott: Mm-hmm.

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I don't think I know fashion trends

from my own time, nevermind from

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before my time, but let, let's

see how badly I feel at this.

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Katie (2): Scott, have you seen movies?

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Scott: I,

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yeah,

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Katie (2): you need to know.

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Scott: I guess that's true.

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I guess that's true.

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Katie (2): Okay.

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This one's pretty easy, I think.

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Which denim trend in the late

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worn out look and was commonly

worn with oversized jackets.

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Scott: Oversized jackets faded, wor out.

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Look

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Katie (2): It's the, it's a type of jeans.

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Scott: type of jeans.

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Katie (2): Like

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Scott: like I should know this.

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Katie (2): You will know it.

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It's blank blank genes like it's a,

it's like a treatment that the genes

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have gone through to look a certain way.

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Scott: The treatment.

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Katie (2): Makes them like faded,

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Scott: Okay.

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Katie (2): of worn out looking.

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Scott: It's a like, this might

be stupid, but is it something

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like stone wash or something?

351

: 00:14:23

Or

352

: 00:14:24

Katie (2): That is very good.

353

: 00:14:26

That is a thing,

354

: 00:14:27

Scott: Uhhuh?

355

: 00:14:28

No, but, it's not the right thing.

356

: 00:14:30

Katie (2): it's not the right thing.

357

: 00:14:31

It's very similar though.

358

: 00:14:32

This is acid washed jeans.

359

: 00:14:34

Scott: Ah,

360

: 00:14:36

Katie (2): You've heard this

361

: 00:14:37

Scott: Yeah, I have, I

have, I have, I have,

362

: 00:14:40

yeah.

363

: 00:14:40

Katie (2): Okay.

364

: 00:14:41

Now what practical, yet controversial

accessory from the: 1980

365

: 00:14:46

staple for both men and women featuring

a small pouch worn around the waist.

366

: 00:14:52

And to my dismay, these have come back.

367

: 00:14:55

Scott: a small pouch

going around the waist.

368

: 00:15:01

Is this do travelers also often wear them?

369

: 00:15:04

Is that, is it like a traveling thing?

370

: 00:15:06

Katie (2): Yeah.

371

: 00:15:07

But people would, yeah, like instead of

a purse, and even men would wear them.

372

: 00:15:10

You can picture like

also those like nylon,

373

: 00:15:13

Scott: I've, I've got an idea

in my head I think we call

374

: 00:15:17

them something else in the uk.

375

: 00:15:19

Katie (2): Okay.

376

: 00:15:21

Scott: Is it a fanny pack?

377

: 00:15:23

Katie (2): It is a fanny pack.

378

: 00:15:25

Scott: my god, yeah.

379

: 00:15:26

Yeah, we don't call them that in the

UK for very specific reasons, but

380

: 00:15:31

Katie (2): Wait, does Fannie

mean something else there?

381

: 00:15:33

Scott: yes,

382

: 00:15:36

it does.

383

: 00:15:37

It doesn't mean what it means in America.

384

: 00:15:39

So we call them bum bags,

is is what we call them?

385

: 00:15:44

Yes.

386

: 00:15:44

'cause

387

: 00:15:45

fannie's a, a ruder term in the

UK than it is in the States.

388

: 00:15:49

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

389

: 00:15:51

It's interesting.

390

: 00:15:52

I love those, those minor differences.

391

: 00:15:54

Yeah, but they're like in the last however

many years, like basically the same thing.

392

: 00:15:59

It's just people wear them around

their shoulders now, and I hate it.

393

: 00:16:02

It's, I don't like this

394

: 00:16:04

Scott: okay.

395

: 00:16:04

I didn't realize they'd made a comeback.

396

: 00:16:06

I just,

397

: 00:16:07

I 'cause I think of them

as very much part of my

398

: 00:16:09

younger childhood, but

they kinda faded out.

399

: 00:16:12

But

400

: 00:16:12

Katie (2): You know how all the horrifying

trends come back, like mullets and

401

: 00:16:16

these fanny back, there's just like a

402

: 00:16:17

Scott: that's true.

403

: 00:16:18

Katie (2): on it,

404

: 00:16:19

Scott: Yeah, that's true.

405

: 00:16:20

I don't know if it, yeah, I wasn't sure

if it was a Kiwi thing or it was like a,

406

: 00:16:24

a kind of fashion's coming back thing.

407

: 00:16:25

But I've seen a lot of mullets

on younger men recently.

408

: 00:16:29

Katie (2): It's not a,

it's it's not a good look.

409

: 00:16:31

Let me tell you what.

410

: 00:16:33

Scott: Yeah.

411

: 00:16:34

No.

412

: 00:16:34

Katie (2): Let's find one

more question for you.

413

: 00:16:36

You're doing very good.

414

: 00:16:38

I'll try and keep you 10 outta 10 here.

415

: 00:16:41

Okay.

416

: 00:16:41

This is, I think this is easy, but

417

: 00:16:44

which classic sunglasses style popularized

by films like Top Gun and Risky Business,

418

: 00:16:50

became a fashion statement in the late

eighties with a distinctive frame design.

419

: 00:16:58

Scott: Top Gun, what did

they wear in Top Gun?

420

: 00:17:02

Is the aviators they wear

421

: 00:17:04

or Ray bands or, I can't remember.

422

: 00:17:07

Katie (2): it says Ray Ban

wayfarers and aviators.

423

: 00:17:11

I'm not certain what

wayfarers are, but Yeah.

424

: 00:17:13

Scott: I'm not sure what I

understand what EVAs are,

425

: 00:17:16

like the things, but like I, yeah.

426

: 00:17:19

I'm not sure what EVAs are, but, okay.

427

: 00:17:21

Good start.

428

: 00:17:21

I

429

: 00:17:22

did get that right.

430

: 00:17:23

It's

431

: 00:17:24

Katie (2): You did.

432

: 00:17:25

All right, Scott, would you

like to do one more category,

433

: 00:17:28

Scott: Sure.

434

: 00:17:28

I'm, I'm kind of sweating now, but

435

: 00:17:30

Katie (2): I know you're,

436

: 00:17:31

Scott: but

437

: 00:17:31

Katie (2): you're on a roll.

438

: 00:17:32

That's why I asked.

439

: 00:17:33

I'm like, do you wanna, do you

wanna quit while you're ahead or

440

: 00:17:36

you're rolling the dice?

441

: 00:17:38

Scott: Classic game show mistake.

442

: 00:17:41

Katie (2): Okay.

443

: 00:17:42

I was like, that's really on the line.

444

: 00:17:44

Boombox, bangers.

445

: 00:17:45

So this should be easy sort of songs,

446

: 00:17:50

Scott: Um, yeah, but again, I was

very young and again, the UK charts

447

: 00:17:56

are very different to the US charts.

448

: 00:17:58

Particularly in this era,

449

: 00:18:01

Katie (2): They are.

450

: 00:18:01

But wouldn't you say like the

top 50 are all kind of the same?

451

: 00:18:05

Just

452

: 00:18:06

Scott: the top 50?

453

: 00:18:07

no.

454

: 00:18:08

No.

455

: 00:18:08

I wouldn't say either.

456

: 00:18:09

'cause I mean some bands are like

for example, just to give you a

457

: 00:18:12

nineties example, like in the UK

Oasis were like the biggest band

458

: 00:18:17

in the country in the nineties.

459

: 00:18:19

And they'd be like, what in America?

460

: 00:18:21

I don't know.

461

: 00:18:22

Top 50, top a hundred.

462

: 00:18:23

I

463

: 00:18:23

don't

464

: 00:18:24

Katie (2): no,

465

: 00:18:24

Scott: They're not

466

: 00:18:25

Katie (2): When Wonder Wall

came out, they, I think that

467

: 00:18:27

was number one here for a while.

468

: 00:18:28

Like they had number one songs here.

469

: 00:18:30

Scott: okay, okay.

470

: 00:18:31

Katie (2): Now there is one exception.

471

: 00:18:33

Just like an artist that just did not

cross over that apparently is huge.

472

: 00:18:38

There, not here.

473

: 00:18:39

Robbie Williams.

474

: 00:18:41

We don't, that's, we don't know him.

475

: 00:18:44

Scott: Yeah.

476

: 00:18:44

Fair, fair enough.

477

: 00:18:45

Yeah, he was huge in

the uk and, and, and in

478

: 00:18:48

Europe like in the, in the late

nineties, early two thousands.

479

: 00:18:51

He was, he was massive.

480

: 00:18:53

But yeah, I mean, like, there's some,

there's just some acts that don't,

481

: 00:18:56

For example, I know that like, 'cause

I'm a rock fan, like, in the nineties

482

: 00:19:02

even though they come from the uk

Bush had quite a few hits in the US

483

: 00:19:07

and did almost nothing in the uk.

484

: 00:19:10

Katie (2): Oh my gosh.

485

: 00:19:11

I loved Bush.

486

: 00:19:11

That was my very first concert

ever, was the Bush concert.

487

: 00:19:15

I, I mean, Gavin's handsome

too, so that always helps,

488

: 00:19:18

Scott: I guess he's, yeah.

489

: 00:19:19

Katie (2): you know?

490

: 00:19:20

These are pretty big.

491

: 00:19:21

Like you hear them on radio

years after they were a hit, if,

492

: 00:19:25

I mean, if they remain popular.

493

: 00:19:28

So we'll see.

494

: 00:19:29

Number one song, 1988.

495

: 00:19:31

Really good one.

496

: 00:19:33

With a good video too.

497

: 00:19:35

Which 1988 hit song?

498

: 00:19:38

I'm gonna try and rephrase

it to make it Harder.

499

: 00:19:41

Hit song features a famous riff

and help solidify his solo career

500

: 00:19:47

after his success with Wham.

501

: 00:19:52

Scott: Faith

502

: 00:19:54

George.

503

: 00:19:54

Michael.

504

: 00:19:55

Katie (2): Yet see?

505

: 00:19:56

Very good.

506

: 00:19:57

Scott: Okay.

507

: 00:19:58

That's a pretty big song.

508

: 00:19:59

Yeah, that, that, that would've

been similarly massive in the uk.

509

: 00:20:02

So

510

: 00:20:02

Katie (2): now the next

one is an Australian band,

511

: 00:20:05

so you know, up for grabs.

512

: 00:20:08

The name of the song became their

biggest US hit in 88, and it featured

513

: 00:20:13

a sultry groove and the, and iconic

vocals of their lead vocalist.

514

: 00:20:19

Scott: Oh

515

: 00:20:21

Katie (2): Michael Hutchins

is the lead vocalist

516

: 00:20:23

Scott: no, I know.

517

: 00:20:24

It's

518

: 00:20:25

Katie (2): name of the band.

519

: 00:20:26

Scott: in, in Excess.

520

: 00:20:28

In Excess is the name of the band.

521

: 00:20:30

It's like, is it like, need

you Tonight or something?

522

: 00:20:33

Or something tonight?

523

: 00:20:35

Katie (2): it is.

524

: 00:20:35

Need you Tonight?

525

: 00:20:37

Great song.

526

: 00:20:38

Great song.

527

: 00:20:39

Scott: Yeah.

528

: 00:20:40

Katie (2): The next one is A former

Beatle released this hit marking his major

529

: 00:20:46

comeback with a catchy feel good track,

530

: 00:20:50

Scott: Guess you feel good track?

531

: 00:20:52

Katie (2): former Beatle.

532

: 00:20:54

Scott: Is it McCartney

533

: 00:20:56

Katie (2): It is not

534

: 00:21:00

Scott: Harrison?

535

: 00:21:01

It's gotta be George Harrison then.

536

: 00:21:03

Katie (2): with.

537

: 00:21:05

Scott: Oh, it's oh.

538

: 00:21:07

Oh, I do know what it is.

539

: 00:21:08

Oh, it's, oh, I can picture the video.

540

: 00:21:11

Fuck.

541

: 00:21:11

What's his name of that song?

542

: 00:21:18

Yes I've Got My Mind Set on You or Stuck

543

: 00:21:20

on you or something like that?

544

: 00:21:21

Katie (2): mind.

545

: 00:21:22

Yeah.

546

: 00:21:22

I got my mind set on you.

547

: 00:21:24

My humming is not helpful, but okay.

548

: 00:21:27

You're, oh, there's two more.

549

: 00:21:29

I think you're gonna get 'em.

550

: 00:21:29

I think you're gonna get a 100% here.

551

: 00:21:33

This song became a viral meme decades

later with its unforgettable line.

552

: 00:21:42

Scott: Oh, is it never gonna

give you up by Rick Hasley?

553

: 00:21:45

Katie (2): How did you know that?

554

: 00:21:46

Scott: Oh, because Rick Rolling was

like, I mean, I'm, I'm Prime early

555

: 00:21:50

two thousands internet culture.

556

: 00:21:51

So so Rick Rolling was massive.

557

: 00:21:56

Katie (2): See, I barely gave you a hint.

558

: 00:21:58

Very good.

559

: 00:21:58

Never gonna give you up by Rick Asley.

560

: 00:22:02

Boy, I don't even know how to describe

this song without giving it away.

561

: 00:22:07

Scott: Huh

562

: 00:22:08

Katie (2): Iconic guitar riff.

563

: 00:22:10

Scott: Okay.

564

: 00:22:11

Katie (2): Most famous

rock anthems of the era.

565

: 00:22:16

Scott: Iconic guitar riff.

566

: 00:22:19

Katie (2): Very famous guitarist.

567

: 00:22:22

Scott: Okay.

568

: 00:22:23

Is it like

569

: 00:22:23

Katie (2): very specific.

570

: 00:22:25

Look to him.

571

: 00:22:27

Scott: So, I'm trying to think, I'm

gonna guess it's guns and Rosies.

572

: 00:22:32

Is it Guns and Rosies.

573

: 00:22:33

Katie (2): It is.

574

: 00:22:34

Scott: Okay.

575

: 00:22:35

So is it like, is it sweet child of mine

576

: 00:22:38

Katie (2): It

577

: 00:22:39

Scott: yeah.

578

: 00:22:39

Okay, great.

579

: 00:22:41

Katie (2): very good.

580

: 00:22:43

Oh my gosh.

581

: 00:22:43

You see, you didn't think you were

gonna do very well at all, and there you

582

: 00:22:48

got every single one of them, correct?

583

: 00:22:50

Scott: that's, wow.

584

: 00:22:51

Yeah.

585

: 00:22:53

I outperformed what I thought I was gonna

586

: 00:22:54

do.

587

: 00:22:56

Katie (2): Scott, shall we

get into She's having a baby?

588

: 00:23:06

She's having a baby was

th,: 1988

589

: 00:23:10

Had you seen this before?

590

: 00:23:13

Scott: No, I had not seen it before.

591

: 00:23:16

Katie (2): I kind of

don't think I have either.

592

: 00:23:17

I might have caught maybe a few

pieces here and there, but I, I think

593

: 00:23:22

this was my first viewing as well.

594

: 00:23:24

So if you are listening or watching,

and you also have not seen she's having

595

: 00:23:28

a baby, it follows a young couple, Jake

and Christie, as they navigate the early

596

: 00:23:33

years of marriage, balancing career

uncertainty, suburban expectations,

597

: 00:23:39

and the growing pressure to start

a family through humor and anxiety.

598

: 00:23:42

The film captures the often messy

transition from carefree youth to the

599

: 00:23:47

realities of adulthood and parenthood.

600

: 00:23:50

This sounds a little different from

other John Hughes movies, doesn't it?

601

: 00:23:53

Scott: Yeah.

602

: 00:23:54

No, absolutely, definitely

a different track to,

603

: 00:23:58

to, you know, a lot of his, a lot

of his films, which are either

604

: 00:24:01

kids' films or they're, they're

teen films, you know, they're not,

605

: 00:24:05

not a lot of more adult films.

606

: 00:24:09

Katie (2): This one, seems like

probably the most autobiographical

607

: 00:24:13

for John Hughes for a few reasons.

608

: 00:24:14

But yeah, I mean, aside from kind of

the family mishap type movies and the

609

: 00:24:20

kid-centric and the teen movies, this

one is the only one that seems to focus

610

: 00:24:23

on the trials and tribulations of, of,

post-college and, and what that means

611

: 00:24:32

as in this case for Jake and Christie.

612

: 00:24:34

So John Hughes, as I mentioned

at the top, both directed and

613

: 00:24:38

wrote this particular movie.

614

: 00:24:40

And he took it really hard because

he felt a personal connection to it.

615

: 00:24:44

I think he even said in the credits,

it was inspired by his wife.

616

: 00:24:49

Scott: Yeah, that does come

up at the end of the movie.

617

: 00:24:51

Katie (2): yeah, like at the end of the

credits it did not perform well at the

618

: 00:24:55

box office, so he took that really hard.

619

: 00:24:58

It was a $20 million budget and, and

grossed only 16 million worldwide.

620

: 00:25:04

I mean, as evidenced by the fact

that neither of us had seen it,

621

: 00:25:07

it is a, a little bit lesser

known despite having a nice cast.

622

: 00:25:12

It's PG 13 the IMDB rating is six.

623

: 00:25:16

Do you think that's fair?

624

: 00:25:19

Scott: Ye yeah, I, I think it's

like, I think it's relatively fair.

625

: 00:25:23

I might

626

: 00:25:23

put, I might put it a little higher.

627

: 00:25:25

'Cause when I watch things, I kind of

like, put them in my letter box and you

628

: 00:25:30

know, for letterbox, I, I was kind of

between giving it a, a three and a three

629

: 00:25:34

and a half and I gave it a three and a

630

: 00:25:35

half in, in, in the end.

631

: 00:25:36

So, yeah, I might weigh

a bit higher than that.

632

: 00:25:39

'cause I would say a six is

like a kinda three stars.

633

: 00:25:41

But

634

: 00:25:42

I, I don't think it's unfair.

635

: 00:25:43

Katie (2): Right.

636

: 00:25:44

Same.

637

: 00:25:44

Same.

638

: 00:25:46

Now Kevin Bacon is the star here.

639

: 00:25:48

He plays, his name is Jefferson,

but he goes by Jake Briggs.

640

: 00:25:54

Kevin Bacon had quite the moment

in the eighties and nineties and I

641

: 00:25:57

think he looked really, really good.

642

: 00:25:59

The hair of him and Alec Baldwin in

this, it was just so of the time.

643

: 00:26:02

And, you know, it kind of got me

thinking because Kevin Bacon hasn't

644

: 00:26:05

come up yet, I don't think, in a

movie that I've covered on retro made.

645

: 00:26:09

So kind of wanted to

explore him a little bit.

646

: 00:26:12

So, you know, he's the whole

six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

647

: 00:26:15

Scott: Mm-hmm.

648

: 00:26:16

Katie (2): So I looked into the origins

of that 'cause I didn't really know.

649

: 00:26:19

And, um, so if you also didn't

know, I guess it started in 94.

650

: 00:26:23

I, I sort of thought it started

earlier than that but some college

651

: 00:26:27

students were watching Footloose and a

commercial for another Kevin Bacon movie.

652

: 00:26:31

The air up there was airing.

653

: 00:26:33

So they were discussing how Kevin Bacon

seemed to be in everything and recalled

654

: 00:26:38

a quote from a magazine interview that he

did for Premier Magazine, where he claimed

655

: 00:26:43

to have worked with everybody in Hollywood

or someone who's worked with them.

656

: 00:26:48

So it has become a trivia game challenge

based on the six degrees of separation.

657

: 00:26:53

You can connect given any actor

in six steps or fewer based on a

658

: 00:26:57

shared, shared movie or TV credits.

659

: 00:27:01

Did you ever play this game?

660

: 00:27:02

I didn't, I don't think I ever really

played it, but it, it comes up.

661

: 00:27:05

Scott: Yeah, I, no, I, I definitely,

yeah, I feel like I, I feel like

662

: 00:27:08

I have in uni like, 'cause I, that

663

: 00:27:11

would've been, even though it's

obviously been around since the

664

: 00:27:13

nineties, that's would've been when

I first would've come across it in

665

: 00:27:17

the early two thousands, I think with

like, was it the first time And, he's

666

: 00:27:21

definitely worked with a lot of people.

667

: 00:27:23

Katie (2): I dig Kevin Bacon

I like a lot of his movies.

668

: 00:27:26

Like he kind of seems

to stay out of trouble.

669

: 00:27:28

I love that he, you know, this

long relationship with Ki Sedgwick.

670

: 00:27:32

They have this little hobby farm

that they post videos about.

671

: 00:27:35

It's really, it's cute and sweet and

they seem just like a normal couple.

672

: 00:27:40

So I kind of like that.

673

: 00:27:41

And he's aging very nicely.

674

: 00:27:43

So I, I'm a fan of Kevin, do you

have any thoughts or fandom or

675

: 00:27:48

Scott: yeah.

676

: 00:27:49

No, no, no.

677

: 00:27:49

I like, I like Kevin Bacon.

678

: 00:27:51

I've seen quite, quite

a few Kevin Bacon films.

679

: 00:27:55

And like he's great in,

in a bunch of things.

680

: 00:27:58

Both like the film stuff he's done.

681

: 00:28:00

You know, and particularly I

know I'm a fan of horror, so I am

682

: 00:28:03

obviously I love him in Tremors.

683

: 00:28:06

Weirdly just coincidentally, I was a

guest on another podcast just like last

684

: 00:28:11

month talking about Stirs of Echoes.

685

: 00:28:14

So this is the second time this year

that I have recorded a podcast about

686

: 00:28:19

a Kevin Bacon movie set in Chicago.

687

: 00:28:23

Katie (2): Is that set in Chicago too?

688

: 00:28:25

Scott: Yeah, it's, yes.

689

: 00:28:26

Katie (2): Um, I haven't seen

it in, I don't even know.

690

: 00:28:27

I'm sure I've seen it when

it came out, but I forget.

691

: 00:28:30

Interesting.

692

: 00:28:30

I mean, you might as well start

a Kevin Bacon podcast, Scott.

693

: 00:28:33

Scott: I think that would be a lot of fun.

694

: 00:28:35

I think like covering Kevin Bacon films.

695

: 00:28:37

I think it would be, I

think it would be great.

696

: 00:28:39

Katie (2): I think so too.

697

: 00:28:41

What about Elizabeth McGovern?

698

: 00:28:43

Are you familiar with her

699

: 00:28:45

Do you

700

: 00:28:45

Scott: I am, I am familiar with her.

701

: 00:28:48

I've not seen her in a lot of stuff.

702

: 00:28:51

In the uk she's most famous for

being in Downton Abbey, and I am

703

: 00:28:54

not like a watcher of Downton Abbey.

704

: 00:28:57

That, but I have seen her in a few

movies from, particularly from this era.

705

: 00:29:01

So like, she is De Niro's girlfriend

and once upon a time in America.

706

: 00:29:06

Which is an amazing film.

707

: 00:29:08

And like also just like last year,

the year before I saw in a really

708

: 00:29:13

cool neo noir film called Johnny

Handsome, that's got Mickey Rook in it.

709

: 00:29:18

You know, like, which is also similar

era, eighties, I think maybe 89.

710

: 00:29:24

It's a water hill film.

711

: 00:29:25

That's the reason I watched it.

712

: 00:29:26

like, 'Cause I'm a fan of Water

Hill and as problematic as he

713

: 00:29:29

kinda is, I do like Mickey Root

films like certainly of that era.

714

: 00:29:34

So yeah, I know her from, from a few

things, but I don't know her extensively.

715

: 00:29:38

Katie (2): Same.

716

: 00:29:39

And I had you know, she pops up in, in

roles like this here and there, but it's,

717

: 00:29:43

she doesn't ever come to mind when I'm

thinking about eighties actresses or,

718

: 00:29:47

you know, just actresses in general.

719

: 00:29:49

She has a very specific classy look

to her, which very much helps her

720

: 00:29:54

playing Cora Crawley in Downton Abbey.

721

: 00:29:56

So, yeah.

722

: 00:29:57

I didn't make the connection when I

first started watching Downton Abbey,

723

: 00:30:00

that it was her, 'cause I hadn't

seen her in so many years because

724

: 00:30:03

she's much older, obviously, in that.

725

: 00:30:06

But she did get an Oscar nomination

for her supporting role in

726

: 00:30:09

Ragtime which I have not seen.

727

: 00:30:13

And then of course she got

both Emmy and Golden Globe

728

: 00:30:15

nominations for playing Quora in

729

: 00:30:17

Scott: Right.

730

: 00:30:18

Yeah.

731

: 00:30:18

Which, which makes sense 'cause

I know that show is massive.

732

: 00:30:21

Yeah.

733

: 00:30:22

Katie (2): It's really good.

734

: 00:30:22

I would recommend Scott.

735

: 00:30:24

Scott: Okay.

736

: 00:30:26

Katie (2): Now Alec Baldwin,

I had forgotten that he's in

737

: 00:30:28

this and he plays the best.

738

: 00:30:31

This, this type of best friend, the

still single, you know, freeze a bird,

739

: 00:30:36

single kind of rich, kind of, you know

that very Alec Baldwin, he type role.

740

: 00:30:43

He plays Jake's friend Davis McDonald.

741

: 00:30:47

What did you think about

Alec Baldwin's role?

742

: 00:30:50

Scott: I think for, for some reason

in my head, and I know like age-wise,

743

: 00:30:57

it makes perfect sense that he's in

the eighties movies, but in my head,

744

: 00:31:00

because I so associate him with the

nineties and two thousands, I don't

745

: 00:31:04

think about him in the eighties.

746

: 00:31:05

So anytime I watch an eighties movie

and he suddenly pops up, like last year

747

: 00:31:10

I watched Married to the Mob for the

first time and he, I was like a surprise.

748

: 00:31:13

I like Baldwin.

749

: 00:31:14

I was like, what?

750

: 00:31:15

What is this?

751

: 00:31:16

And so like, so like, so like anytime

he turns up in the eighties movie

752

: 00:31:20

always throws me for some reason.

753

: 00:31:22

But yeah.

754

: 00:31:22

And he's, he's very.

755

: 00:31:25

Yeah, he, I mean, he's good.

756

: 00:31:26

He's very good.

757

: 00:31:27

He's specifically very good at

playing that kind of just sleazy,

758

: 00:31:31

oily, kind of lethario type figure,

he's just very good at that,

759

: 00:31:35

you know,

760

: 00:31:36

Katie (2): is.

761

: 00:31:37

It's, he's perfect for it.

762

: 00:31:40

But I did kind of like, I literally

wrote down, whoa a young Alec Baldwin.

763

: 00:31:44

I can see it.

764

: 00:31:45

I see it.

765

: 00:31:46

Yeah.

766

: 00:31:46

He was he was handsome.

767

: 00:31:48

Scott: He, he was in that era

and, and he, yeah, and I mean, it

768

: 00:31:51

does make him look sleazy, but it

769

: 00:31:53

also, you know, it is, I

can see the, the attraction

770

: 00:31:56

with his slick black hair and,

you know, it is all, yeah.

771

: 00:31:58

Yeah.

772

: 00:31:59

I can see it.

773

: 00:31:59

Katie (2): Yeah.

774

: 00:32:00

So there, there's a, a fairly small cast.

775

: 00:32:02

So yeah, we have Jake and Christie by

Kevin Bacon and Elizabeth McGovern.

776

: 00:32:07

And then Christie's parents are played

by William Windham and Catherine Damon.

777

: 00:32:11

And I really just wanted to, to

point them out just because I think

778

: 00:32:15

they, they deserve their fair due.

779

: 00:32:18

We might not know them,

or at least I didn't.

780

: 00:32:20

We, if you watched the, the show soap

781

: 00:32:24

Scott: I'm

782

: 00:32:24

aware of this.

783

: 00:32:25

I'm aware of this.

784

: 00:32:26

I'm aware of the Soul Show, but

I never, I never watched it.

785

: 00:32:30

I might have mentioned this before in

the previous SLO, 'cause he does have a

786

: 00:32:34

cameo in planes change and automobiles.

787

: 00:32:36

But the thing I know William

Windham former is he plays Dr.

788

: 00:32:39

Seth Haslet in murder.

789

: 00:32:41

She wrote which.

790

: 00:32:44

Katie (2): I love Murder.

791

: 00:32:45

She wrote, how did I not?

792

: 00:32:46

Is he like a recurring character

793

: 00:32:47

Scott: He's a recurring,

he's a recurring character.

794

: 00:32:50

He's like the local doctor in Kabakov.

795

: 00:32:52

He's like,

796

: 00:32:53

Jessica's

797

: 00:32:53

friend.

798

: 00:32:54

Katie (2): Oh my gosh.

799

: 00:32:55

I need to re-watch.

800

: 00:32:56

Well, good catch.

801

: 00:32:57

Thanks.

802

: 00:32:57

'cause I, that missed me.

803

: 00:32:58

He has over because he has

over 259 acting credits.

804

: 00:33:01

This man, I missed that particular one.

805

: 00:33:04

Yeah, I mean he won an Emmy in

: 1970

806

: 00:33:08

And welcome to it.

807

: 00:33:10

He played the president in escape

from the Planet of Apes, and he's

808

: 00:33:14

also in To Kill a Mockingbird.

809

: 00:33:16

So William Wyndham, quite,

quite the accomplished actor.

810

: 00:33:19

And yeah, so Katherine Damon won an

Emmy for her lead role in the show soap.

811

: 00:33:25

She was also a regular on the

show, Webster, with Emanuel Lewis.

812

: 00:33:28

Remember that show?

813

: 00:33:30

It was early eighties.

814

: 00:33:31

You might not have.

815

: 00:33:32

Scott: no, I don't know if that,

that doesn't sound familiar.

816

: 00:33:34

Stop sounds familiar.

817

: 00:33:36

I'm

818

: 00:33:36

aware of this.

819

: 00:33:37

I, I'm aware of soap while, while

not really having seen it, but

820

: 00:33:40

Webster is, no, I'm not familiar.

821

: 00:33:42

Sorry.

822

: 00:33:44

Katie (2): It maybe it

was just an American show.

823

: 00:33:46

It was like these two, it was kind

of, oh, and I can't think of his name

824

: 00:33:50

now either, but he was like a football

player I think turned actor, maybe

825

: 00:33:55

like Chicago, like Midwest sometime.

826

: 00:33:57

Anyway, this white couple adopts

a black child that was very

827

: 00:34:00

much a thing in the eighties.

828

: 00:34:03

And Emmanuel Lewis plays

the kid and he's cute.

829

: 00:34:05

And that's, that's the show.

830

: 00:34:07

So Jake's parents, I

definitely recognized his mom.

831

: 00:34:11

Scott: Hmm.

832

: 00:34:12

Katie (2): his mom?

833

: 00:34:13

Holland Taylor,

834

: 00:34:15

Scott: Yes.

835

: 00:34:16

But watching the movie, I couldn't

immediately think of where she was from.

836

: 00:34:19

I just was like, I just know I've

seen her face in a bunch of stuff.

837

: 00:34:23

Katie (2): yeah.

838

: 00:34:23

She, she has a very specific

look to her that that old money.

839

: 00:34:28

You know, very put together type lady.

840

: 00:34:31

She was nominated 10 times,

including one win for her

841

: 00:34:34

roles in the practice, the lot.

842

: 00:34:38

And she played the Harper's

mother in two and a Half Men.

843

: 00:34:41

Scott: Mm.

844

: 00:34:42

Right.

845

: 00:34:43

Katie (2): a lot of people would

know her from that also in Hollywood

846

: 00:34:46

and the Morning Show, which is

a pretty recent show I think.

847

: 00:34:50

Mean like tons of credits,

bosom Bodies, the L word.

848

: 00:34:53

She actually played the Dean in

Saved by the Bell the college Years,

849

: 00:34:57

if anybody remembers her from that.

850

: 00:35:00

Scott: I

851

: 00:35:00

did remember specifically from

that, but I did watch that as a kid.

852

: 00:35:03

Katie (2): same.

853

: 00:35:03

I know.

854

: 00:35:04

I'll have to go back and look.

855

: 00:35:05

And I guess there was a show

called Somerset in the seventies.

856

: 00:35:11

Well, she played Sergeant Ruth

Winter on that in 234 episodes.

857

: 00:35:16

Scott: Wow.

858

: 00:35:17

Okay.

859

: 00:35:17

Katie (2): So Holland Taylor

860

: 00:35:20

and then James Ray plays his dad which I.

861

: 00:35:23

I don't think he's super well known.

862

: 00:35:24

He has a lot of one-off

episodic TV credits.

863

: 00:35:27

Scott: Cool.

864

: 00:35:28

No, I didn't recognize him at all.

865

: 00:35:29

Yeah.

866

: 00:35:30

Katie (2): But there's a

ton of other familiar faces.

867

: 00:35:33

I suppose you recognized like

other John Hughes universe, people,

868

: 00:35:38

anybody in particular stand

out to you in the cast

869

: 00:35:43

Scott: yes.

870

: 00:35:44

I did.

871

: 00:35:44

Spot a few people Edie McClure,

who has the famous car rental scene

872

: 00:35:50

in, in planes Change Automobiles.

873

: 00:35:53

Paul Gleason, who is the

principal in breakfast Club.

874

: 00:35:57

Yeah.

875

: 00:35:58

And then the guy, the, there's the, oh

God, I can't remember what character

876

: 00:36:02

he is, but like the, the guy, he's,

he's got that kind of interesting face.

877

: 00:36:06

Larry something, is it,

878

: 00:36:07

Katie (2): Larry Hankin,

879

: 00:36:08

Scott: yeah, yeah,

880

: 00:36:09

Katie (2): the skinny guy.

881

: 00:36:11

Scott: Yeah.

882

: 00:36:11

yeah, yeah.

883

: 00:36:12

Yeah.

884

: 00:36:12

Yeah.

885

: 00:36:12

Yeah.

886

: 00:36:12

I, I recognize his face.

887

: 00:36:13

I can never remember his name.

888

: 00:36:15

Sorry Larry.

889

: 00:36:16

But like, but I know,

I know I've seen him.

890

: 00:36:17

And then

891

: 00:36:18

when I looked him up, I looked him

up and then I was like, oh, I know

892

: 00:36:21

him from friends and I, I know him

from like Billy Madison and know

893

: 00:36:24

him from other John Juice movies.

894

: 00:36:25

So like, yeah.

895

: 00:36:26

So

896

: 00:36:27

Katie (2): Yeah.

897

: 00:36:28

He so actually Larry Hankin was he

the, I think he was the cab driver

898

: 00:36:34

in planes, trains, and automobiles

899

: 00:36:36

Scott: that's what he was, yeah.

900

: 00:36:38

Katie (2): And you and I covered that.

901

: 00:36:39

I think you were you my guest on

902

: 00:36:40

Scott: Yeah.

903

: 00:36:40

I was, I was, I was,

904

: 00:36:42

Katie (2): which kind of shares the

universe with this movie, because Kevin

905

: 00:36:46

' Scott: cause the opening scene

where the taxi cab raced.

906

: 00:36:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

907

: 00:36:50

Where they're both chasing

after the same cab.

908

: 00:36:52

Katie (2): We'll get into

that in a little bit too.

909

: 00:36:54

There's another connection, but yeah,

Eddie McClure every, like the redhead,

910

: 00:36:58

Larry Hankin and John Aston, who's also

was in some kind of wonderful, so he was

911

: 00:37:03

the other like male neighbor, like at the

912

: 00:37:06

Scott: yeah.

913

: 00:37:07

Who I most know from the

Beverly Hills Cop movies.

914

: 00:37:10

Katie (2): Yes, yes.

915

: 00:37:11

John Ashton, Larry Hankin and Ed

McClue play their suburban neighbors.

916

: 00:37:15

Paul Gleason, as you mentioned.

917

: 00:37:17

He in this, he plays the guy who

Jake interviews with in order

918

: 00:37:22

to get an ad copywriting job,

919

: 00:37:24

Scott: Mm-hmm.

920

: 00:37:25

Katie (2): which he completely lied

about, and they hired him anyway.

921

: 00:37:29

I love that.

922

: 00:37:30

You know,

923

: 00:37:30

Scott: Because it shows that

he can sell himself well.

924

: 00:37:33

That's like, I guess, like that's

925

: 00:37:35

the

926

: 00:37:35

Katie (2): He didn't though.

927

: 00:37:37

They were like we looked

you up and everything.

928

: 00:37:39

Everything on here is a lie,

but you clearly want a job

929

: 00:37:41

and you'll work for nothing.

930

: 00:37:42

So.

931

: 00:37:43

Scott: that's,

932

: 00:37:44

that's true.

933

: 00:37:45

That's

934

: 00:37:45

Katie (2): the job market must have

been not very competitive at the time

935

: 00:37:49

Scott: No, no probably not.

936

: 00:37:50

It was the late eighties.

937

: 00:37:51

It was before any, any stock market

crashes or anything like that.

938

: 00:37:55

The other ad exec who hires

him I noticed I looked that up.

939

: 00:38:00

And he's played by Dennis Dugan,

who's the director of Happy Gilmore,

940

: 00:38:05

Katie (2): a whole, he did look familiar,

but I didn't like he was that guy to me.

941

: 00:38:09

That's funny.

942

: 00:38:10

Lily Taylor, this is her film debut.

943

: 00:38:14

She's in it just for a brief second.

944

: 00:38:16

She's the, the lady, the receptionist

at the medical clinic that

945

: 00:38:21

he gives his sperm sample to.

946

: 00:38:23

Scott: Oh yeah, right.

947

: 00:38:24

Got you.

948

: 00:38:25

Yeah, yeah.

949

: 00:38:26

Is that, oh, I recognize,

recognize that name.

950

: 00:38:30

Katie (2): She's in a lot of things.

951

: 00:38:31

I love her in Mystic Pizza also

from: 1988

952

: 00:38:36

I don't know.

953

: 00:38:37

Scott: Oh yeah, I oh, I know I can

now I know who you're talking about.

954

: 00:38:40

Yes.

955

: 00:38:40

Yes.

956

: 00:38:41

She's a great actress.

957

: 00:38:42

She

958

: 00:38:43

like, if anybody's into, if anybody's

into horror movies, she's in a great

959

: 00:38:48

nineties vampire flick called The

Addiction, which is directed by Abel

960

: 00:38:53

Ferrara, the same guy who directed

King of New York and Bad Lieutenant.

961

: 00:38:57

And I would highly recommend that

the addiction is very underrated.

962

: 00:39:01

More people should see it.

963

: 00:39:03

Katie (2): Check it out.

964

: 00:39:03

Everyone.

965

: 00:39:04

I'm not a big horror person, I

don't know very specific genres of

966

: 00:39:08

horror, like sub genres I'm into, but

967

: 00:39:11

Scott: Yeah.

968

: 00:39:11

It's not super gory or anything.

969

: 00:39:13

It's not, it's more atmospheric.

970

: 00:39:15

It's a, you know, it's all

971

: 00:39:15

shot in black and white and

it's very, it's, it leans

972

: 00:39:18

more in the kinda atmosphere.

973

: 00:39:20

I would

974

: 00:39:20

I would say.

975

: 00:39:21

But but I have quite a high

tolerance before, 'cause I've

976

: 00:39:24

been watching it for really.

977

: 00:39:25

Several decades now.

978

: 00:39:26

So like, so I, I, I don't know, maybe

I'm not the best person to judge or,

979

: 00:39:31

Katie (2): Scott also had, has a,

a, a horror new horror express.

980

: 00:39:35

Scott: Yeah.

981

: 00:39:36

that's right, that's right.

982

: 00:39:37

That ran from 2018 to 2024.

983

: 00:39:39

There is 185 episodes

for you to check out.

984

: 00:39:42

Still up there if you want to.

985

: 00:39:44

Katie (2): Dang.

986

: 00:39:45

That's a quite, that's quite a few.

987

: 00:39:47

I will say, I, hope you caught a

certain stunt man in this, that is

988

: 00:39:53

in a lot of action movies since you

989

: 00:39:55

Scott: Oh yes.

990

: 00:39:57

I, I did, I did.

991

: 00:39:59

I'm always very exci there.

992

: 00:40:00

There's certain there's certain kind

of stunt guys or people who are like,

993

: 00:40:04

who are in a lot of action movies

who are just faces you recognize.

994

: 00:40:07

But yes, I, I.

995

: 00:40:10

What the thing that confused me

about this scene, so the person

996

: 00:40:13

we're talking about is Ali,

997

: 00:40:15

who has a very distinctive look

and very distinctive facial hair.

998

: 00:40:18

And he turns up in this movie as a

fashion photographer, and I thought

999

: 00:40:21

maybe there, because there's a bunch

of like dream sequences in this movie

: 1000

00:40:25,283 --> 00:40:28,943

or fantasy sequences, and I thought

they were gonna do something with that

: 1001

00:40:28,943 --> 00:40:32,363

and there was gonna be like a mini

action scene or something with him.

: 1002

00:40:32,453 --> 00:40:34,253

But no, he's just a fashion photographer.

: 1003

00:40:34,388 --> 00:40:37,853

He just, and once this photo shoot is

done, he like walks off and that's it.

: 1004

00:40:38,183 --> 00:40:39,353

I was like, oh, okay.

: 1005

00:40:39,923 --> 00:40:41,873

An interesting change of pace for Mr.

: 1006

00:40:41,873 --> 00:40:42,203

Leon.

: 1007

00:40:43,218 --> 00:40:45,498

Katie (2): You're right,

he's very specific looking.

: 1008

00:40:45,498 --> 00:40:46,638

You cannot miss him.

: 1009

00:40:47,428 --> 00:40:51,448

Now, I bet you I'm the only person

because I watch these through the

: 1010

00:40:51,448 --> 00:40:54,778

credits because that's just who I am.

: 1011

00:40:54,778 --> 00:40:57,748

But also, I'm always waiting

for, sometimes there's a, a post

: 1012

00:40:57,748 --> 00:40:59,218

credit scene or something, right?

: 1013

00:40:59,218 --> 00:41:02,398

So there was a credit scene in

this, which we'll talk about.

: 1014

00:41:02,488 --> 00:41:06,628

There was not a post credit scene, but

by watching all of the credits through,

: 1015

00:41:06,628 --> 00:41:10,138

I noticed someone that popped out at me.

: 1016

00:41:11,833 --> 00:41:15,403

So, because I covered Patrick Swayze

last season, love him, read his

: 1017

00:41:15,403 --> 00:41:16,693

book that he wrote with his wife.

: 1018

00:41:16,693 --> 00:41:23,113

He was just like so dedicated to his wife,

whose name is Lisa Nimi, and she played

: 1019

00:41:23,113 --> 00:41:25,783

one of the models in that photo shoot.

: 1020

00:41:26,458 --> 00:41:27,508

Scott: Oh,

: 1021

00:41:27,553 --> 00:41:31,513

Katie (2): he has that, that freak out,

it's like a baby diaper photo shoot.

: 1022

00:41:31,513 --> 00:41:32,983

And then there's also models there.

: 1023

00:41:33,313 --> 00:41:34,363

She's one of the models.

: 1024

00:41:34,393 --> 00:41:35,113

Mm-hmm.

: 1025

00:41:35,353 --> 00:41:36,883

Patrick Swayze's wife in this,

: 1026

00:41:37,018 --> 00:41:38,248

Scott: Oh, okay.

: 1027

00:41:38,848 --> 00:41:39,238

Right,

: 1028

00:41:39,943 --> 00:41:40,393

Katie (2): yeah.

: 1029

00:41:40,693 --> 00:41:41,083

Yeah.

: 1030

00:41:41,503 --> 00:41:46,033

Stuart Copeland did the music for

this, and I think this is the first

: 1031

00:41:46,033 --> 00:41:50,243

time that I have seen him in any

of the movies that I've covered.

: 1032

00:41:50,313 --> 00:41:51,813

Are you familiar with Copeland's work?

: 1033

00:41:52,878 --> 00:41:56,448

Scott: Like I'm not massively familiar

with his film score work, but he

: 1034

00:41:56,448 --> 00:41:57,888

is a member of the police, right.

: 1035

00:41:57,888 --> 00:41:57,918

He

: 1036

00:41:58,473 --> 00:41:58,863

Katie (2): This is

: 1037

00:41:59,088 --> 00:42:00,318

Scott: the drummer for the police.

: 1038

00:42:00,873 --> 00:42:01,473

Katie (2): yes.

: 1039

00:42:01,473 --> 00:42:03,033

I didn't know that, so, yeah.

: 1040

00:42:03,438 --> 00:42:06,528

Scott: so I'm familiar with his

drumming work for the police.

: 1041

00:42:07,623 --> 00:42:07,913

Yeah.

: 1042

00:42:08,793 --> 00:42:09,153

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1043

00:42:09,153 --> 00:42:13,673

So then he, I guess parlayed that into you

know, doing compositions for film scores.

: 1044

00:42:13,673 --> 00:42:17,153

So he did Wall Street,: 1987

: 1045

00:42:18,123 --> 00:42:18,343

Scott: Oh,

: 1046

00:42:18,473 --> 00:42:20,933

): Men at Work,: 1990

: 1047

00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:26,093

And then TV shows like The Equalizer

and Dead, like Me, that's Stewart

: 1048

00:42:26,228 --> 00:42:27,638

Scott: uh, nice.

: 1049

00:42:27,698 --> 00:42:31,178

Actually, I think on the action

podcast, I covered one film that

: 1050

00:42:31,178 --> 00:42:32,928

had a Stuart Copeland's score.

: 1051

00:42:33,468 --> 00:42:37,398

I think it was, I want to say

it was surviving the Game,

: 1052

00:42:37,518 --> 00:42:39,168

which is like an iced tea film.

: 1053

00:42:39,933 --> 00:42:42,543

Katie (2): Oh, I listened to that episode.

: 1054

00:42:42,783 --> 00:42:43,113

Uhhuh.

: 1055

00:42:43,173 --> 00:42:43,563

Yeah.

: 1056

00:42:43,683 --> 00:42:47,443

Totally more than the

score like that for me.

: 1057

00:42:47,553 --> 00:42:49,983

That didn't stand out so much as the.

: 1058

00:42:50,448 --> 00:42:55,908

The song that Kate Bush wrote specifically

for this at the scene, it's called A

: 1059

00:42:55,908 --> 00:42:59,928

Woman's Work, and it was during the

hospital waiting scene when Kevin

: 1060

00:42:59,928 --> 00:43:03,378

knows that there's complications and

they won't let him into the room.

: 1061

00:43:03,888 --> 00:43:08,568

And then we're seeing like memories of

them flashback kind of through his eyes.

: 1062

00:43:08,598 --> 00:43:13,428

And the song is, so, it really

helps turn up the emotional volume

: 1063

00:43:13,788 --> 00:43:19,238

Scott: oh, I, I just want to say that I

think genuinely, if we're, if we're, if

: 1064

00:43:19,238 --> 00:43:23,918

we're jumping to that scene genuinely,

I think that sequence and him in the

: 1065

00:43:23,918 --> 00:43:28,218

waiting room and the way it's lit is

one of the most beautifully directed

: 1066

00:43:28,218 --> 00:43:30,318

sequences of John Hughes entire career.

: 1067

00:43:30,708 --> 00:43:36,858

And that song, that Cape Bruce song

just absolutely crushes the emotion.

: 1068

00:43:36,958 --> 00:43:41,368

I, I don't care who, if you like, I,

I grew, you know, I'm quite happy to

: 1069

00:43:41,368 --> 00:43:43,408

admit I cried during that sequence.

: 1070

00:43:43,468 --> 00:43:43,738

It

: 1071

00:43:43,738 --> 00:43:46,348

like, it, it is engineered

to make you cry.

: 1072

00:43:46,378 --> 00:43:49,888

Like it's, it's, you know,

weaponized to make you cry.

: 1073

00:43:49,918 --> 00:43:53,998

It's so, it's such an overwhelming

scene and it's so beautiful.

: 1074

00:43:54,058 --> 00:43:57,088

It genuinely heartbreaking a sequence.

: 1075

00:44:28,677 --> 00:44:30,117

Katie (2): I couldn't have

said it better myself.

: 1076

00:44:30,117 --> 00:44:32,667

I wanted to bring it up in the

music section, but I know that

: 1077

00:44:32,667 --> 00:44:34,437

kind of spoils the movie for you.

: 1078

00:44:34,677 --> 00:44:37,677

They have a baby in the

movie, she's having a baby.

: 1079

00:44:38,177 --> 00:44:41,657

But yeah, we see Jake realize, you

know, we'll kind of get through

: 1080

00:44:41,657 --> 00:44:43,157

the movie, but he has a hard time.

: 1081

00:44:44,177 --> 00:44:45,587

He, he has an arc.

: 1082

00:44:45,587 --> 00:44:49,967

He's finally like becoming who he needs

to be and realizing that he's been

: 1083

00:44:49,967 --> 00:44:54,137

taking his wife for granted and his

life that he actually has for granted.

: 1084

00:44:54,137 --> 00:44:57,747

And those flashbacks to those

mem wonderful memories and like

: 1085

00:44:57,747 --> 00:44:59,217

seeing him rise to the occasion.

: 1086

00:44:59,247 --> 00:45:05,487

And so the song combined with Kevin's

acting and the way he emotes and, and

: 1087

00:45:05,487 --> 00:45:09,137

you're right, the cinematic nature

of that scene was really powerful.

: 1088

00:45:09,572 --> 00:45:10,022

Scott: Yeah.

: 1089

00:45:10,322 --> 00:45:10,652

Yeah.

: 1090

00:45:10,657 --> 00:45:15,192

And yeah, like you say, like Kevin Bacon

is a big part of what makes it so moving

: 1091

00:45:15,197 --> 00:45:18,202

and, and what makes it so, emotional.

: 1092

00:45:18,352 --> 00:45:21,922

But I think, yeah, just everything

comes perfectly together.

: 1093

00:45:21,972 --> 00:45:25,272

From the direction the, the lighting,

the way it's, the way it's lit in those

: 1094

00:45:25,272 --> 00:45:29,532

kind of, the waiting room with the kinda

spotlights and just everything about it.

: 1095

00:45:29,942 --> 00:45:34,232

And then the cherry on top is just

that brilliant Kate Bush song that's

: 1096

00:45:34,322 --> 00:45:37,172

just, just absolutely slays you.

: 1097

00:45:38,372 --> 00:45:39,212

Katie (2): It was written.

: 1098

00:45:39,242 --> 00:45:40,232

I mean, it was perfect.

: 1099

00:45:40,232 --> 00:45:43,202

The lyrics, everything about

it was perfect because it was

: 1100

00:45:43,202 --> 00:45:45,092

written for this, so, and it was

: 1101

00:45:45,602 --> 00:45:46,172

nicely done.

: 1102

00:45:46,172 --> 00:45:46,712

Kate Bush

: 1103

00:45:49,672 --> 00:45:52,792

what kept coming to mind for me

was, wow, this is really different.

: 1104

00:45:52,792 --> 00:45:56,182

This is kind of a departure

for Hughes movies for me.

: 1105

00:45:56,182 --> 00:45:59,332

Did you, did you feel that or

what were kind of your initial,

: 1106

00:45:59,662 --> 00:46:00,082

Scott: It does

: 1107

00:46:00,082 --> 00:46:02,932

feel like a, yeah, no, I agree.

: 1108

00:46:02,932 --> 00:46:06,172

It does feel like a departure

because I think he's going for

: 1109

00:46:06,172 --> 00:46:10,192

a little bit of a, you know, a

little bit of a different tone.

: 1110

00:46:10,252 --> 00:46:14,962

I think like a lot of his movies are

more generally straight up comedies

: 1111

00:46:15,272 --> 00:46:20,192

where, whereas this is gen i I don't

think it always accomplishes it.

: 1112

00:46:20,222 --> 00:46:23,822

But I think this is definitely going

for more of a drama day type thing.

: 1113

00:46:24,152 --> 00:46:29,192

And I think sometimes it's tonal

gear shifts are a bit wonky in

: 1114

00:46:29,192 --> 00:46:32,102

the going between the comedy and

the drama, but but sometimes it

: 1115

00:46:32,102 --> 00:46:33,572

really works at the same time.

: 1116

00:46:33,782 --> 00:46:37,142

So I do think he's, he's definitely

aiming for a different tone.

: 1117

00:46:37,172 --> 00:46:38,222

I definitely think.

: 1118

00:46:39,257 --> 00:46:42,647

Obviously, you know, because we're dealing

with like people kind of like you say

: 1119

00:46:42,647 --> 00:46:49,907

post-college, post uni age, you know,

it's, it's definitely the humor is trying,

: 1120

00:46:49,937 --> 00:46:52,997

in some cases is very, is very huge.

: 1121

00:46:52,997 --> 00:46:56,507

But in some cases it's kind of

going for a more mature angle.

: 1122

00:46:56,837 --> 00:47:02,842

And, and I think there's a, there's

a kind of gentleness to the film and

: 1123

00:47:02,842 --> 00:47:07,932

there's a, a kind of more kind of it's,

it's less for wacky and more aiming for

: 1124

00:47:07,992 --> 00:47:10,872

like to, to often to be moving I guess.

: 1125

00:47:10,982 --> 00:47:14,172

So yeah, I think it definitely

has a very different feel to

: 1126

00:47:14,172 --> 00:47:16,452

your typical Hughes outing.

: 1127

00:47:17,742 --> 00:47:19,722

Katie (2): Gentle is a

nice way of putting it.

: 1128

00:47:19,772 --> 00:47:24,122

There's, I think, yeah, Elizabeth

McGovern, the way they have her, the way

: 1129

00:47:24,242 --> 00:47:31,442

they make her character, there's, she has

this very, yeah, like softness to her.

: 1130

00:47:31,442 --> 00:47:33,842

Like everything, it, it

softens the whole movie.

: 1131

00:47:34,262 --> 00:47:39,637

But, I guess to your point about some

of the comical things, in addition

: 1132

00:47:39,637 --> 00:47:44,082

to this being narrated, so this is

narrated by Kevin Bacon's character.

: 1133

00:47:44,512 --> 00:47:50,482

So it, and it, it uses that so that

we understand his internal monologue,

: 1134

00:47:50,802 --> 00:47:52,062

and it does pay off at the end.

: 1135

00:47:52,172 --> 00:47:56,582

As you might expect, once we learn he's

a writer, we kind of see that coming.

: 1136

00:47:56,582 --> 00:47:58,232

But, um, but that's.

: 1137

00:47:58,547 --> 00:48:00,407

Nice nonetheless.

: 1138

00:48:00,507 --> 00:48:06,357

And he, he's able to say things to us

that he doesn't say to his wife, I guess.

: 1139

00:48:06,357 --> 00:48:09,327

So that's kind of how we're

learning about his inner turmoil.

: 1140

00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:13,182

Scott: I guess like we understand and

part of the reason that he's saying

: 1141

00:48:13,182 --> 00:48:18,817

that, well, I guess that we understand

re relatively early on because he, he

: 1142

00:48:18,817 --> 00:48:25,327

gives hints to it that the narration

is like his reflection on past events.

: 1143

00:48:25,637 --> 00:48:31,737

So like his thinking about the event, so

he, so he's in a different mindset as the

: 1144

00:48:31,737 --> 00:48:38,307

film is happening because like his, his,

narration is, is past these events and is,

: 1145

00:48:38,607 --> 00:48:41,637

and his thinking has matured and evolved.

: 1146

00:48:41,637 --> 00:48:45,687

So like we're, we're hearing the

narration of a slightly more mature

: 1147

00:48:45,687 --> 00:48:48,597

and evolved version of this person.

: 1148

00:48:48,997 --> 00:48:53,797

But as we're seeing the action, they're

still, they're slightly less mature, less

: 1149

00:48:53,797 --> 00:48:55,987

evolved version of themselves, you know?

: 1150

00:48:56,602 --> 00:48:56,782

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1151

00:48:56,782 --> 00:48:57,832

Well let's talk about that.

: 1152

00:48:57,832 --> 00:49:02,992

The thing that was glaring about this

movie that I was like, wow, I'm, Hmm.

: 1153

00:49:02,992 --> 00:49:04,552

I'm not sure what to make of this.

: 1154

00:49:04,552 --> 00:49:05,932

'cause it just kept happening.

: 1155

00:49:06,262 --> 00:49:12,562

All of the fantasy sequences

and exaggerated imagination

: 1156

00:49:12,562 --> 00:49:15,397

vignettes, like almost cartoonish.

: 1157

00:49:15,737 --> 00:49:16,077

You know

: 1158

00:49:16,627 --> 00:49:17,107

Scott: Yeah,

: 1159

00:49:17,377 --> 00:49:19,747

it reminded me very much of Scrubs.

: 1160

00:49:19,747 --> 00:49:21,397

I don't know if you ever watched Scrubs,

: 1161

00:49:22,042 --> 00:49:23,392

Katie (2): Oh, it's been a while.

: 1162

00:49:23,392 --> 00:49:23,782

Okay.

: 1163

00:49:23,782 --> 00:49:24,022

yeah,

: 1164

00:49:24,247 --> 00:49:24,427

Scott: yeah.

: 1165

00:49:24,427 --> 00:49:28,057

The way that like JD like kind of has

these fight you so fancy and you know,

: 1166

00:49:28,057 --> 00:49:34,807

like he's, I mean obviously in, in Scrubs

is kind of done slightly differently

: 1167

00:49:34,837 --> 00:49:38,047

'cause you, like, you very much know

you're in the fantasy because it does

: 1168

00:49:38,047 --> 00:49:43,417

that kind of like very: 2000

that a lot of 2000 sitcoms like that

: 1169

00:49:43,417 --> 00:49:45,097

and the Arrested Development and 30

: 1170

00:49:45,097 --> 00:49:49,027

Rock did where it kinda cuts to like

family Guy does the same in that as well.

: 1171

00:49:49,027 --> 00:49:49,777

You know, like, no.

: 1172

00:49:50,137 --> 00:49:51,567

But that doesn't happen in this film.

: 1173

00:49:51,567 --> 00:49:53,667

You just kind of at a certain

point realize, all right,

: 1174

00:49:53,667 --> 00:49:54,837

this isn't really happening.

: 1175

00:49:56,832 --> 00:50:01,182

Katie (2): I mean, yeah, I guess it

again shows us his internal anxieties.

: 1176

00:50:01,432 --> 00:50:03,622

But, and there were several.

: 1177

00:50:03,672 --> 00:50:05,767

But what did you, what

did you think about them?

: 1178

00:50:05,767 --> 00:50:08,467

Do you think that it took you out of

it, or did you think it really did

: 1179

00:50:08,467 --> 00:50:12,312

help paint the picture of what Jake

was feeling and thinking at the time?

: 1180

00:50:13,497 --> 00:50:15,627

Scott: I think it, I think

it, I think it helps.

: 1181

00:50:15,627 --> 00:50:19,197

I think there's certain moments

of the film where I think it

: 1182

00:50:19,197 --> 00:50:20,937

depends on the moment of the film.

: 1183

00:50:21,387 --> 00:50:25,047

Like I think there's certain bits

that work, that work really well.

: 1184

00:50:25,257 --> 00:50:29,857

I think with the start of the movie

with the, the minister keeps the

: 1185

00:50:29,857 --> 00:50:31,717

vows keep going on and on and on.

: 1186

00:50:32,047 --> 00:50:33,452

I, I, I think that works.

: 1187

00:50:33,692 --> 00:50:38,577

I think in the sperm donation sequence,

it works I think in the, and I also

: 1188

00:50:38,697 --> 00:50:41,787

particularly think my favorite one is the.

: 1189

00:50:42,732 --> 00:50:45,792

Is the like lawnmower dance sequence.

: 1190

00:50:45,822 --> 00:50:46,692

Like that's,

: 1191

00:50:46,752 --> 00:50:47,532

that's brilliant.

: 1192

00:50:47,562 --> 00:50:48,222

That's brilliant.

: 1193

00:50:48,372 --> 00:50:49,632

That's really, that's really good.

: 1194

00:50:49,632 --> 00:50:51,762

That was the funniest

moment in the film for me.

: 1195

00:50:52,092 --> 00:50:54,462

But like, yeah, some of them

you're just like, oh, okay.

: 1196

00:50:54,672 --> 00:50:57,882

You know, because sometimes they're

edging into more emotional territory and

: 1197

00:50:57,882 --> 00:51:02,702

then, and then you're gear shifting into

this kind of very wacky type of comedy.

: 1198

00:51:02,702 --> 00:51:03,392

Very silly.

: 1199

00:51:03,812 --> 00:51:06,992

So some of them I think

worked absolutely perfectly.

: 1200

00:51:06,992 --> 00:51:10,112

And some of them were like, kind of

through, threw me off a little bit.

: 1201

00:51:11,462 --> 00:51:11,882

Katie (2): Same.

: 1202

00:51:11,882 --> 00:51:15,552

I think perhaps if maybe I

wouldn't have the same feeling if

: 1203

00:51:15,552 --> 00:51:18,042

I watched it again, but I think

this was my first watch and it's.

: 1204

00:51:18,732 --> 00:51:22,792

It works out that this is one of the I

only have a few movies left in the John

: 1205

00:51:22,792 --> 00:51:26,692

Hughes season, so I've seen almost all

of them from the eighties and nineties.

: 1206

00:51:26,692 --> 00:51:31,282

And so this being at the end,

I, it really, really is like,

: 1207

00:51:31,332 --> 00:51:36,162

highlighted to me how different

this technique is for John Hughes.

: 1208

00:51:36,762 --> 00:51:41,142

So, so audience, if you haven't seen this

or if it's been a while, the lawnmower

: 1209

00:51:41,142 --> 00:51:46,452

scene that Scott's talking about, it's

like, so they moved to the suburbs and

: 1210

00:51:47,472 --> 00:51:50,862

so it's like all the men kind of at the

same time, they're mowing their lawns all

: 1211

00:51:50,862 --> 00:51:54,732

on a Saturday and the women are carrying

trays with lemonade or whatever, and then

: 1212

00:51:54,732 --> 00:51:57,942

it turns into this whole dance sequence.

: 1213

00:51:58,182 --> 00:52:04,452

So for him, for Kevin's character, it's

sort of like representing his fear of

: 1214

00:52:05,022 --> 00:52:08,172

becoming this domestic cliche, right?

: 1215

00:52:08,172 --> 00:52:10,002

Like that's what you do on a Saturday.

: 1216

00:52:10,342 --> 00:52:12,172

So that's the suburban lawnmower scene.

: 1217

00:52:12,512 --> 00:52:12,572

The

: 1218

00:52:12,692 --> 00:52:16,362

Scott: I think like it's also just

like a kind of and, and may maybe just

: 1219

00:52:16,362 --> 00:52:18,612

'cause like I'm a big David Lynch fan.

: 1220

00:52:18,612 --> 00:52:22,842

I feel like there's maybe some commentary

there about suburban uniformity of you

: 1221

00:52:22,842 --> 00:52:27,342

know, once, once you become a suburban

person, you just, you just, you have to

: 1222

00:52:27,342 --> 00:52:31,092

have all the accoutrements and you have

to, you do all the exact same things,

: 1223

00:52:31,092 --> 00:52:35,782

otherwise you're exiled and kind of,

you know, put to one side or something

: 1224

00:52:36,424 --> 00:52:37,519

Katie (2): a a hundred percent.

: 1225

00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:40,579

And we learn, you know, as we get

to know some of the, some of the

: 1226

00:52:40,579 --> 00:52:44,689

neighbors in that block party barbecue

scene, you learn exactly that.

: 1227

00:52:44,694 --> 00:52:47,509

The, the women are sort of like,

well, the last career woman brought

: 1228

00:52:47,509 --> 00:52:49,249

something that none of us recognized.

: 1229

00:52:49,669 --> 00:52:51,889

It was like goat cheese

ravioli or something.

: 1230

00:52:51,889 --> 00:52:52,159

And

: 1231

00:52:52,209 --> 00:52:53,134

Scott: you think they could have.

: 1232

00:52:53,224 --> 00:52:57,664

I don't always go cheese ravioli that

kind of outta the box, like Italian

: 1233

00:52:57,664 --> 00:52:57,994

cooking.

: 1234

00:52:58,054 --> 00:53:02,314

Do you think, you think you think they

could have picked something that was more.

: 1235

00:53:02,674 --> 00:53:04,114

Obscure or

: 1236

00:53:04,114 --> 00:53:08,454

more kind of fanciful kind of

because I was like, even as a working

: 1237

00:53:08,454 --> 00:53:11,994

class kid growing up in Scotland, I

wouldn't be like goat cheese ravioli.

: 1238

00:53:11,994 --> 00:53:15,174

This is, this is, this is a

poche thing I've ever seen.

: 1239

00:53:15,174 --> 00:53:19,339

You know, and I'm not exactly come from

a culinary paradise, you know, you know.

: 1240

00:53:20,424 --> 00:53:22,104

Katie (2): goat cheese was a thing.

: 1241

00:53:22,104 --> 00:53:25,644

There was a, I believe based on some

other movies, like there was a time

: 1242

00:53:25,644 --> 00:53:31,134

at which goat cheese on a menu was

like high, you know, like only fancy

: 1243

00:53:31,134 --> 00:53:34,464

restaurants would have, or something

like overpriced, you dummy, you're

: 1244

00:53:34,464 --> 00:53:36,174

paying overpriced for, I don't know.

: 1245

00:53:36,534 --> 00:53:36,894

Scott: Yeah.

: 1246

00:53:37,074 --> 00:53:40,524

I guess, I mean, I, I guess it, I

guess it was a different time I could

: 1247

00:53:40,554 --> 00:53:43,524

like, 'cause I know like certain

thi there's loads of things that

: 1248

00:53:43,524 --> 00:53:45,084

we don't see as fancy at all.

: 1249

00:53:45,374 --> 00:53:49,769

And and, and like even in recent

times, we're seen as quite fancy.

: 1250

00:53:50,819 --> 00:53:55,649

To give a UK example, there was a

famous example in, in, in football.

: 1251

00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:58,229

Not the type of football,

you know, but like Soccer.

: 1252

00:53:58,529 --> 00:54:03,039

Where the, the team Manchester United

most football stadiums, like for

: 1253

00:54:03,069 --> 00:54:05,889

halftime sell like hot meat pies.

: 1254

00:54:05,894 --> 00:54:09,519

That's like your kind of,

that's your snack or whatever.

: 1255

00:54:09,759 --> 00:54:13,329

When they started selling prong cocktail

sandwiches, and this was seen as the

: 1256

00:54:13,329 --> 00:54:17,859

height of height of poshness, of going

from pies to prong cocktail sandwiches.

: 1257

00:54:17,859 --> 00:54:18,459

People were like,

: 1258

00:54:18,624 --> 00:54:19,614

Katie (2): Oh, what cocktail?

: 1259

00:54:19,674 --> 00:54:20,874

What, what, what?

: 1260

00:54:20,874 --> 00:54:21,654

Cocktail sandwich.

: 1261

00:54:22,344 --> 00:54:23,614

Oh like a, like seafood

: 1262

00:54:23,809 --> 00:54:24,649

Scott: I like seafood.

: 1263

00:54:24,739 --> 00:54:25,099

Yeah.

: 1264

00:54:25,489 --> 00:54:25,759

Yeah,

: 1265

00:54:25,984 --> 00:54:27,004

Katie (2): A sandwich.

: 1266

00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:28,009

Scott: yeah, like

: 1267

00:54:28,429 --> 00:54:30,199

pro pro in a sandwich.

: 1268

00:54:30,649 --> 00:54:31,189

In a, in a sa

: 1269

00:54:31,249 --> 00:54:31,549

in a, yeah.

: 1270

00:54:32,059 --> 00:54:36,169

Like prong cocktail is just like a

Yeah, it's just prawns in a, in a

: 1271

00:54:36,169 --> 00:54:37,309

rosemary sauce.

: 1272

00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:38,649

Yeah, it's just, yeah,

: 1273

00:54:39,429 --> 00:54:40,539

I don't know, but.

: 1274

00:54:40,854 --> 00:54:41,934

Katie (2): I, okay.

: 1275

00:54:42,034 --> 00:54:44,854

I'm not, I, I mean, I've, I hear you.

: 1276

00:54:44,884 --> 00:54:47,104

Shrimp cocktail, I think

used to be a thing here,

: 1277

00:54:47,434 --> 00:54:49,684

but I didn't know they

put it in sandwiches,

: 1278

00:54:49,864 --> 00:54:50,314

Scott: Yeah.

: 1279

00:54:50,494 --> 00:54:51,754

Well, I mean like, I don't know.

: 1280

00:54:51,964 --> 00:54:52,504

I think it's,

: 1281

00:54:52,564 --> 00:54:54,994

Katie (2): mean, that does seem

fancy for a football stadium, to be

: 1282

00:54:55,084 --> 00:54:57,904

Scott: yeah, it was, it was,

it was, it was, it was people.

: 1283

00:54:57,904 --> 00:55:00,094

People had a lot of eyebrows were raised.

: 1284

00:55:00,244 --> 00:55:00,999

People were like, what?

: 1285

00:55:01,054 --> 00:55:01,684

What is this?

: 1286

00:55:01,834 --> 00:55:04,264

We just want pies and

chips and things like

: 1287

00:55:04,264 --> 00:55:04,444

that.

: 1288

00:55:04,504 --> 00:55:06,754

Or, yeah.

: 1289

00:55:07,144 --> 00:55:08,704

Chips is, we understand them.

: 1290

00:55:08,764 --> 00:55:09,784

This is, this is,

: 1291

00:55:10,054 --> 00:55:10,384

that's

: 1292

00:55:10,444 --> 00:55:11,254

Katie (2): Fries.

: 1293

00:55:11,284 --> 00:55:11,974

Scott: Fries.

: 1294

00:55:11,974 --> 00:55:12,604

fries.

: 1295

00:55:12,634 --> 00:55:13,174

fries.

: 1296

00:55:13,214 --> 00:55:14,084

We call them chips.

: 1297

00:55:14,084 --> 00:55:14,324

We,

: 1298

00:55:14,324 --> 00:55:16,364

what you call chips we call crisps.

: 1299

00:55:16,394 --> 00:55:21,584

This is, this is becoming just a, one of

those American British lexicon lessons,

: 1300

00:55:22,694 --> 00:55:25,184

Katie (2): And don't, and do you

call cookies something else too?

: 1301

00:55:25,784 --> 00:55:26,504

biscuits,

: 1302

00:55:26,594 --> 00:55:27,704

Scott: and what, yeah.

: 1303

00:55:27,704 --> 00:55:30,374

And what you call biscuits are,

I don't even know what that is.

: 1304

00:55:30,494 --> 00:55:30,704

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1305

00:55:30,704 --> 00:55:31,694

What do you call biscuit?

: 1306

00:55:31,794 --> 00:55:35,604

Yeah, interesting that we could

have a whole podcast on this,

: 1307

00:55:35,934 --> 00:55:36,354

but,

: 1308

00:55:36,714 --> 00:55:38,999

Scott: the difference, we will

go back to she's having a baby.

: 1309

00:55:39,744 --> 00:55:42,714

Katie (2): Yeah, so the other

sequences that I thought were,

: 1310

00:55:42,774 --> 00:55:46,104

were really, you know, again,

I didn't dislike or like it, it

: 1311

00:55:46,189 --> 00:55:46,409

Scott: Mm.

: 1312

00:55:47,364 --> 00:55:51,424

Katie (2): Like you said, the tone of the

movie was a bit more serious and tender.

: 1313

00:55:51,424 --> 00:55:53,914

And so some of these kind of

shocked your system a little bit.

: 1314

00:55:54,394 --> 00:55:55,474

But they were kind of good.

: 1315

00:55:55,474 --> 00:55:57,154

Some were more subtle than others.

: 1316

00:55:57,524 --> 00:56:02,604

There was various office claustrophobia as

well, the room kind of coming in on him.

: 1317

00:56:02,604 --> 00:56:08,064

And even that photo shoot that he's

like, he can't escape so he takes

: 1318

00:56:08,064 --> 00:56:10,434

this job 'cause he has to get a job.

: 1319

00:56:10,444 --> 00:56:15,914

Reflecting his hatred of this corporate

job that he has the Valerie writing his

: 1320

00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:20,264

internal monologue is not hearing, will

you take this woman to be your, what did

: 1321

00:56:20,264 --> 00:56:26,454

wife he hears a once a year vacation to

The Bahamas and a four bedroom house.

: 1322

00:56:26,454 --> 00:56:29,034

And three bath, you know, like

going through all the things.

: 1323

00:56:29,034 --> 00:56:30,294

So that's what he's hearing.

: 1324

00:56:31,134 --> 00:56:35,844

He's like, oh crap, this commitment

and the fertilization scene

: 1325

00:56:35,994 --> 00:56:38,004

to this was brilliant though.

: 1326

00:56:38,914 --> 00:56:43,514

So it's meant to show us, so they're

trying to have a baby and apparently

: 1327

00:56:43,514 --> 00:56:49,304

when you're trying to have a baby on

purpose, sometimes that act can be very

: 1328

00:56:49,304 --> 00:56:51,344

mechanical and not romantic at all.

: 1329

00:56:51,344 --> 00:56:53,414

Scheduled sex for conception.

: 1330

00:56:54,014 --> 00:56:59,294

And she even says you can

watch TV if you get bored.

: 1331

00:57:00,614 --> 00:57:01,274

I love that.

: 1332

00:57:01,274 --> 00:57:06,464

But, so this scene is set to chain gang.

: 1333

00:57:07,004 --> 00:57:09,554

The men, all the men working on the chain

: 1334

00:57:09,644 --> 00:57:09,944

Scott: Yeah.

: 1335

00:57:10,004 --> 00:57:11,114

Katie (2): Like that song I can't sing.

: 1336

00:57:11,164 --> 00:57:16,084

These are the things that are happening

in this movie and I can't decide whether

: 1337

00:57:16,084 --> 00:57:18,604

or not I think it is helpful or not.

: 1338

00:57:18,604 --> 00:57:22,234

I like that we're seeing it

in like a more symbolic way.

: 1339

00:57:22,234 --> 00:57:25,924

Not saying it, but it's just different.

: 1340

00:57:26,374 --> 00:57:26,914

I don't know.

: 1341

00:57:27,604 --> 00:57:28,294

Scott: yeah.

: 1342

00:57:28,504 --> 00:57:29,404

I think like,

: 1343

00:57:31,714 --> 00:57:36,634

I think the only, you know, you, you're

saying like, is, is is a scene helpful?

: 1344

00:57:37,174 --> 00:57:42,144

I think it kind of is, but I think

like it would be, it could be be and

: 1345

00:57:42,299 --> 00:57:45,744

and I think if it was made today,

maybe it would be made better.

: 1346

00:57:46,134 --> 00:57:49,634

Because I think I guess this is a little

personal, but like, you know, I, I,

: 1347

00:57:49,894 --> 00:57:54,784

you know, like I went through IVF or

whatever, it didn't work, but, I think

: 1348

00:57:54,784 --> 00:58:00,764

for couples like, who try something

like that it can take the romance out.

: 1349

00:58:01,124 --> 00:58:05,404

And I think that what made made the scene

better and make it helpful is like to,

: 1350

00:58:05,524 --> 00:58:10,684

to, you know, visualize that, but also not

just make it from the man's point of view.

: 1351

00:58:10,684 --> 00:58:13,474

Because it's, it's, it's similarly

mechanical for the woman.

: 1352

00:58:13,474 --> 00:58:16,774

The woman is, like the way it's

presented in the film is the woman is

: 1353

00:58:16,774 --> 00:58:21,274

like the, the, the wife Christie is,

is like up for it and she's like ready

: 1354

00:58:21,274 --> 00:58:23,014

to go and kind of like, come on now.

: 1355

00:58:23,254 --> 00:58:23,734

You know?

: 1356

00:58:23,734 --> 00:58:27,734

And the guy's like, oh God, you know,

whereas you know, for both parties it

: 1357

00:58:27,734 --> 00:58:31,464

can be very difficult, you know, and I

think that's what it would've improved

: 1358

00:58:31,464 --> 00:58:36,144

the scene if it, it kinda highlighted

more that it's, it's not just placing

: 1359

00:58:36,144 --> 00:58:41,754

it all on the guy and what the guy's

emotions are and kind of spreading out

: 1360

00:58:41,844 --> 00:58:43,974

the emotions that are taking place.

: 1361

00:58:44,964 --> 00:58:46,734

Katie (2): That is a really good point.

: 1362

00:58:47,014 --> 00:58:49,384

See we have a man bringing

up women's issues.

: 1363

00:58:49,384 --> 00:58:50,254

I, we, I love it.

: 1364

00:58:50,254 --> 00:58:50,644

Scott.

: 1365

00:58:51,154 --> 00:58:55,114

I will say though, I think we are

meant to believe that she wants

: 1366

00:58:55,114 --> 00:58:58,624

the baby and he doesn't necessarily

he's so not ready for a baby, so

: 1367

00:58:58,754 --> 00:58:59,044

Scott: Yeah.

: 1368

00:59:00,274 --> 00:59:05,134

Katie (2): in so much so that we're

shown, they haven't even talked about

: 1369

00:59:05,134 --> 00:59:08,014

whether or not they wanna have kids yet,

: 1370

00:59:08,384 --> 00:59:08,674

Scott: Yeah.

: 1371

00:59:08,839 --> 00:59:09,379

I mean

: 1372

00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:09,979

like,

: 1373

00:59:10,054 --> 00:59:10,774

Katie (2): their marriage.

: 1374

00:59:10,999 --> 00:59:11,659

Scott: yeah.

: 1375

00:59:11,689 --> 00:59:16,809

Which is odd because I feel like

most people have like a baby talk or

: 1376

00:59:16,809 --> 00:59:18,789

whatever, like going into a marriage.

: 1377

00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:19,629

I think, I feel like

: 1378

00:59:19,929 --> 00:59:20,229

most

: 1379

00:59:20,424 --> 00:59:21,609

Katie (2): I mean, I

think you should, but.

: 1380

00:59:21,729 --> 00:59:23,409

Scott: I think you should,

I mean, I think you should.

: 1381

00:59:23,469 --> 00:59:28,749

I think if, if, if one of your priorities

is to have kids and the other person does

: 1382

00:59:28,749 --> 00:59:31,989

not want to have kids, I think you should

establish that before you get married.

: 1383

00:59:31,989 --> 00:59:33,099

But I guess that's another issue.

: 1384

00:59:33,309 --> 00:59:36,579

I guess like it is a bit like.

: 1385

00:59:37,254 --> 00:59:41,944

That's not like great behavior in the

terms of the film, like to go off a pill

: 1386

00:59:42,304 --> 00:59:46,474

and not tell your partner that,

that, that does feel like shady.

: 1387

00:59:46,534 --> 00:59:47,614

That does feel like,

: 1388

00:59:47,944 --> 00:59:49,654

Katie (2): How pissed would you be?

: 1389

00:59:49,894 --> 00:59:54,559

Scott: yeah, and it's not even about the

kind of the baby, it's just about the

: 1390

00:59:54,674 --> 00:59:56,774

kind of betrayal of trust, you know, at

: 1391

00:59:56,774 --> 00:59:57,344

that stage.

: 1392

00:59:57,344 --> 01:00:01,364

Certainly if that happened to me you

know, and somebody had done that and

: 1393

01:00:01,514 --> 01:00:06,794

without talking about it the, it just,

the, the mere betrayal of trust would

: 1394

01:00:06,794 --> 01:00:11,874

be that the main bone of contention

that would, you know, make me angry.

: 1395

01:00:12,774 --> 01:00:13,134

Yeah.

: 1396

01:00:13,974 --> 01:00:14,244

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1397

01:00:14,244 --> 01:00:16,404

She's like, I gotta tell you something,

but I promise you won't get bad.

: 1398

01:00:16,404 --> 01:00:18,174

And she says three months ago,

: 1399

01:00:18,414 --> 01:00:18,774

Scott: Three.

: 1400

01:00:18,774 --> 01:00:19,134

yeah.

: 1401

01:00:19,134 --> 01:00:20,034

that's what I thought.

: 1402

01:00:20,034 --> 01:00:20,934

I was like, I was

: 1403

01:00:20,934 --> 01:00:24,684

like, 'cause like the way it's presented

in the film, it was like, it was a

: 1404

01:00:24,684 --> 01:00:26,934

brand new, like when she puts the

: 1405

01:00:26,934 --> 01:00:30,594

tablet down the sink, it feels like

that's the first time she's done it.

: 1406

01:00:30,834 --> 01:00:31,044

And

: 1407

01:00:31,044 --> 01:00:36,324

If that was the case, like I feel

like probably not that mad, but

: 1408

01:00:36,324 --> 01:00:42,864

like for it to be three months,

that is like one missed pill.

: 1409

01:00:42,924 --> 01:00:45,864

You know, just, and it if, if that

had been the plot of the film, that's

: 1410

01:00:45,864 --> 01:00:48,984

basically she missed her pill once and

they, they kind of just got pregnant.

: 1411

01:00:49,224 --> 01:00:51,354

I think that makes it

way less problematic.

: 1412

01:00:51,354 --> 01:00:55,254

But the way that it was so like,

so she stated three months.

: 1413

01:00:55,254 --> 01:00:55,944

I was like, wow.

: 1414

01:00:55,944 --> 01:01:00,174

That is, that's, that's not great for

your, the trust in your relationship,

: 1415

01:01:00,399 --> 01:01:01,089

Katie (2): Not cool.

: 1416

01:01:01,089 --> 01:01:01,869

Christie.

: 1417

01:01:02,514 --> 01:01:02,664

Scott: not.

: 1418

01:01:03,009 --> 01:01:05,019

Katie (2): I was all

on your side, Christie.

: 1419

01:01:05,409 --> 01:01:08,489

But yeah, I feel like it's

also a trope in older movies

: 1420

01:01:08,489 --> 01:01:09,749

that they don't talk about it.

: 1421

01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:13,649

Like it becomes a problem

once they're together.

: 1422

01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:14,039

You know?

: 1423

01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:15,059

Do we even wanna have kids?

: 1424

01:01:15,059 --> 01:01:20,939

But maybe it's just, I mean, this was 88,

not 58, but maybe it was just assumed.

: 1425

01:01:21,554 --> 01:01:23,474

Married people have kids.

: 1426

01:01:23,474 --> 01:01:24,764

I, I don't know.

: 1427

01:01:24,899 --> 01:01:25,769

Scott: I think so.

: 1428

01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:29,429

And like the thing that I did think

about, and the thing that I've heard you

: 1429

01:01:29,429 --> 01:01:35,039

talk about on this podcast is there is

a conservative streak to John Hughes,

: 1430

01:01:35,459 --> 01:01:41,229

like in his vision of like, you

know, and like fill in my Sean hugs

: 1431

01:01:41,229 --> 01:01:44,319

gaps as I listen to your podcast

and, and watching like said Mr.

: 1432

01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:49,569

Mom and like other kinda family based

ones, he clearly believes that that

: 1433

01:01:49,569 --> 01:01:52,239

is, that is what you should have.

: 1434

01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,669

He clearly, you know, believes

in the kinda conservative

: 1435

01:01:54,669 --> 01:01:56,319

ideal of the nuclear family.

: 1436

01:01:56,319 --> 01:02:02,919

Mom, dad, kids, you know, marriage,

and the anybody who lives outside

: 1437

01:02:02,919 --> 01:02:05,079

of that is painted very negatively.

: 1438

01:02:05,844 --> 01:02:11,064

And like one of the things that kind of

made me laugh in a bad way was like when

: 1439

01:02:11,124 --> 01:02:16,884

Alec Baldwin brings, brings home that

the, the woman from, from New York and she

: 1440

01:02:16,884 --> 01:02:19,284

is presented in a hyper negative light.

: 1441

01:02:19,344 --> 01:02:22,374

And the reason she's presenting a hyper

negative light is 'cause she doesn't,

: 1442

01:02:22,589 --> 01:02:23,663

she doesn't want getting married.

: 1443

01:02:23,663 --> 01:02:24,564

She doesn't want kids.

: 1444

01:02:24,564 --> 01:02:31,574

And they, they kind of almost cartoonishly

make her like super kind of evil.

: 1445

01:02:31,574 --> 01:02:33,913

And she comes back and she's

come back for her mom's funeral,

: 1446

01:02:33,913 --> 01:02:35,084

but she doesn't care about mom.

: 1447

01:02:35,384 --> 01:02:38,704

And also just to point out,

the film doesn't give us any

: 1448

01:02:38,704 --> 01:02:41,104

indication of what her mom is like.

: 1449

01:02:41,194 --> 01:02:44,574

They just present her in a hyper

negative light because she isn't

: 1450

01:02:44,574 --> 01:02:46,284

that interested in her mom's funeral?

: 1451

01:02:46,434 --> 01:02:50,424

Her mom could have been an abusive

piece of shit if, for all we know.

: 1452

01:02:50,604 --> 01:02:50,934

But

: 1453

01:02:50,934 --> 01:02:51,684

You know, you know.

: 1454

01:02:52,494 --> 01:02:55,434

Katie (2): The only person, or she

says, well, Neiman Marcus will certainly

: 1455

01:02:55,434 --> 01:02:57,174

miss her, or something like that.

: 1456

01:02:57,369 --> 01:02:57,788

Scott: Yeah.

: 1457

01:02:58,089 --> 01:02:58,449

So

: 1458

01:02:59,024 --> 01:03:02,624

but you know, but this is, this is,

you know, all, all points against her.

: 1459

01:03:02,624 --> 01:03:06,464

And again, she's a very

freely sexual person.

: 1460

01:03:06,734 --> 01:03:10,174

And again, this is presented as

this is, this is the worst thing.

: 1461

01:03:10,174 --> 01:03:11,824

This is not what you want to be.

: 1462

01:03:12,219 --> 01:03:14,869

Katie (2): Well, and therefore

it's okay for Alex's character

: 1463

01:03:14,869 --> 01:03:16,614

to use her and he says as much.

: 1464

01:03:17,284 --> 01:03:18,184

Scott: yes.

: 1465

01:03:18,604 --> 01:03:22,594

Which is really grubby and

: 1466

01:03:22,864 --> 01:03:25,084

yeah, I, that's my least

favorite part of the film.

: 1467

01:03:25,324 --> 01:03:31,174

It's just, I think, yeah, he

clearly has his ideas of what family

: 1468

01:03:31,179 --> 01:03:34,924

should be and what relationship

should be and what normal is.

: 1469

01:03:35,404 --> 01:03:38,104

And I, I, I disagree.

: 1470

01:03:39,334 --> 01:03:39,964

Katie (2): I do too.

: 1471

01:03:39,964 --> 01:03:40,674

And you're right.

: 1472

01:03:40,674 --> 01:03:43,214

It has come up a lot in, in Hughes movies.

: 1473

01:03:43,214 --> 01:03:46,724

And you know, to your point about

what, what's kind of interesting is

: 1474

01:03:46,754 --> 01:03:52,304

'cause he's showing the very realistic

fear and anxiety that he probably had.

: 1475

01:03:52,304 --> 01:03:54,944

You know, that a lot of young

men, I mean, they got married

: 1476

01:03:54,944 --> 01:03:57,734

really young, like in their early

twenties, like right outta college.

: 1477

01:03:58,244 --> 01:04:04,124

And so they're probably not ready for,

for all that adulthood requires of you.

: 1478

01:04:04,154 --> 01:04:06,374

And the parents putting

pressure on them to have kids.

: 1479

01:04:06,374 --> 01:04:09,584

And other side note, it's like

the, the parents are still working

: 1480

01:04:09,584 --> 01:04:12,044

and they're like, I should have a

picture of my grandkid on the desk.

: 1481

01:04:12,044 --> 01:04:14,413

And nowadays it's just very different.

: 1482

01:04:14,413 --> 01:04:17,264

Most people wait to have kids and

therefore their parents are already

: 1483

01:04:17,264 --> 01:04:20,024

retired, like they're not still

working when they have grandkids.

: 1484

01:04:20,413 --> 01:04:26,324

But this also kind of shows the

entrapment of suburbia and, and the

: 1485

01:04:26,324 --> 01:04:29,834

fear of that happening and it kind

of hits you over the head with it.

: 1486

01:04:29,834 --> 01:04:34,094

So it's like, clearly John Hughes

is, you know, kind of wrestling

: 1487

01:04:34,094 --> 01:04:37,784

with that, that he's like,

seemingly this is his only option.

: 1488

01:04:37,834 --> 01:04:39,874

This is an inevitable path.

: 1489

01:04:40,354 --> 01:04:42,244

There's no other path to take.

: 1490

01:04:43,474 --> 01:04:46,834

And so you just have to resign

yourself to this, like block parties

: 1491

01:04:46,834 --> 01:04:48,994

on the weekend and mowing the lawn

and that's what your life is and

: 1492

01:04:48,994 --> 01:04:50,194

you'll need to find happiness in it.

: 1493

01:04:50,194 --> 01:04:51,964

And you have kids and you die.

: 1494

01:04:52,474 --> 01:04:55,204

So, so he is wrestling with that.

: 1495

01:04:55,204 --> 01:04:58,174

But then he is also kind of showing

that he, he's rising to the occasion.

: 1496

01:04:58,174 --> 01:05:02,404

He needs to, you know, I guess Yes.

: 1497

01:05:02,404 --> 01:05:03,814

Learn to appreciate that.

: 1498

01:05:03,814 --> 01:05:06,364

And he does, but you're right.

: 1499

01:05:06,364 --> 01:05:12,214

Then when he does show, the only character

who doesn't take that path is Alec.

: 1500

01:05:12,754 --> 01:05:17,314

And it is shown to be, 'cause he

comes around later in the movie.

: 1501

01:05:17,314 --> 01:05:19,524

There's, there's a very interesting scene.

: 1502

01:05:20,214 --> 01:05:20,994

What's his name?

: 1503

01:05:20,994 --> 01:05:25,194

Davis with Davis and Christie, where

it's kind of clear they have had a past,

: 1504

01:05:25,764 --> 01:05:26,424

don't you think?

: 1505

01:05:26,724 --> 01:05:27,294

Scott: Yes.

: 1506

01:05:27,354 --> 01:05:31,224

There, there's a couple of suggestions

of, of, of that throughout the film.

: 1507

01:05:31,224 --> 01:05:33,144

Even kinda in the opening scene

: 1508

01:05:33,144 --> 01:05:34,524

with the two of them in the car.

: 1509

01:05:34,524 --> 01:05:39,024

Like there, this, the, yeah, you

get this sense that maybe don't

: 1510

01:05:39,024 --> 01:05:40,014

know how long they went out.

: 1511

01:05:40,044 --> 01:05:41,634

Maybe it was just a fling, who knows?

: 1512

01:05:41,634 --> 01:05:46,104

But it does seem like they, they have

some, some past history together.

: 1513

01:05:47,484 --> 01:05:51,444

Katie (2): So then he kind of wraps

his, come on in in sort of like

: 1514

01:05:51,444 --> 01:05:54,684

a friendship way of, you know,

very sleazy of his character.

: 1515

01:05:55,074 --> 01:05:58,044

But, you know, she passes

the test, so to speak.

: 1516

01:05:58,704 --> 01:06:04,524

But in that scene it's clear that he's

saying, 'cause earlier we see this,

: 1517

01:06:04,524 --> 01:06:05,724

and this is a trope of the movie.

: 1518

01:06:05,724 --> 01:06:09,084

The single friend is shown to be like

having all this fun with the single

: 1519

01:06:09,084 --> 01:06:13,404

wildlife while the married friend

seems, you know, kind of chained

: 1520

01:06:13,404 --> 01:06:15,684

down without that same freedom.

: 1521

01:06:15,684 --> 01:06:16,913

And sure enough.

: 1522

01:06:17,814 --> 01:06:22,163

The single life that the friend has

turns out to be very unfulfilling.

: 1523

01:06:22,524 --> 01:06:24,834

This is kind of a trope, and

that happens in this movie too.

: 1524

01:06:24,834 --> 01:06:28,434

So to come full circle,

to your point, yes.

: 1525

01:06:28,494 --> 01:06:33,444

The, the path that is not, this

is shown to be unfulfilling.

: 1526

01:06:33,834 --> 01:06:37,434

And so again, there's only one way to

live your life in John Hughes movies.

: 1527

01:06:38,244 --> 01:06:39,084

Scott: Pretty much.

: 1528

01:06:39,174 --> 01:06:40,374

Pretty, pretty much.

: 1529

01:06:40,464 --> 01:06:40,854

Yeah.

: 1530

01:06:41,184 --> 01:06:41,544

Yeah, yeah.

: 1531

01:06:41,544 --> 01:06:41,754

Yeah.

: 1532

01:06:41,754 --> 01:06:42,504

And yeah.

: 1533

01:06:42,504 --> 01:06:46,234

And like you have pointed out several

times throughout this podcast, any

: 1534

01:06:46,234 --> 01:06:52,514

woman who is single and or childless

is seen as like just the worst.

: 1535

01:06:52,794 --> 01:06:56,194

And, and there's, he definitely

has some hangups there

: 1536

01:06:56,464 --> 01:06:57,924

that are, you know, yeah.

: 1537

01:06:58,824 --> 01:07:00,444

Katie (2): Yeah, it's, it's interesting.

: 1538

01:07:00,504 --> 01:07:04,074

You know, I'm kind of getting a, you

know, doing this season has been a little

: 1539

01:07:04,074 --> 01:07:07,644

surprising to me, I guess I didn't know,

I mean, I'm certainly not like an expert

: 1540

01:07:07,644 --> 01:07:11,904

in John Hughes, but I love a lot of his

movies, and so I chose to tackle his

: 1541

01:07:11,904 --> 01:07:15,224

films from the eighties and nineties,

and it has been an education for me.

: 1542

01:07:15,704 --> 01:07:19,184

And so, you know, I'll talk about

that in the, in the wrap up episode.

: 1543

01:07:19,604 --> 01:07:25,084

But to your point about his conservatism,

the family type conservatism, not

: 1544

01:07:25,084 --> 01:07:29,134

necessarily politics, but I'm, I'm

sure did you notice the two best

: 1545

01:07:29,134 --> 01:07:32,374

friends' names are Jefferson and Davis?

: 1546

01:07:33,724 --> 01:07:35,464

I don't think that was by accident.

: 1547

01:07:36,184 --> 01:07:37,324

Scott: Oh

: 1548

01:07:37,894 --> 01:07:40,624

Katie (2): former president

of the Confederacy,

: 1549

01:07:40,624 --> 01:07:41,224

Scott: yeah.

: 1550

01:07:41,344 --> 01:07:41,764

Yeah.

: 1551

01:07:41,824 --> 01:07:43,144

May poss possibly.

: 1552

01:07:43,484 --> 01:07:44,384

Katie (2): I dunno,

what do you guys think?

: 1553

01:07:44,444 --> 01:07:45,944

I kind of think that was on purpose.

: 1554

01:07:46,304 --> 01:07:47,114

He does do

: 1555

01:07:47,114 --> 01:07:47,684

Scott: a nod.

: 1556

01:07:47,804 --> 01:07:48,254

It could be a

: 1557

01:07:48,494 --> 01:07:49,694

Katie (2): he's very specific.

: 1558

01:07:49,694 --> 01:07:50,714

But why would you give a no?

: 1559

01:07:50,744 --> 01:07:51,194

Come on, John.

: 1560

01:07:51,194 --> 01:07:53,294

He, why, why are you giving

a nod to the Confederacy?

: 1561

01:07:53,594 --> 01:07:53,894

Scott: I don't

: 1562

01:07:53,894 --> 01:07:54,764

know Yeah.

: 1563

01:07:55,874 --> 01:07:57,674

Katie (2): He could just

be a civil waroff, I guess.

: 1564

01:07:57,674 --> 01:07:58,064

I don't know.

: 1565

01:07:58,064 --> 01:08:02,804

I'll try and explain it away by that,

but I was like, Hmm, don't like that.

: 1566

01:08:02,984 --> 01:08:04,154

Scott: no, not great.

: 1567

01:08:04,274 --> 01:08:06,584

Katie (2): But I do

like that historically.

: 1568

01:08:06,794 --> 01:08:10,354

So in the, some kind of wonderful

episode, the characters there's a Rolling

: 1569

01:08:10,354 --> 01:08:12,304

Stones element to the character's names.

: 1570

01:08:13,059 --> 01:08:13,479

Scott: Mm-hmm.

: 1571

01:08:14,044 --> 01:08:16,323

Katie (2): so he's got

a signature with naming.

: 1572

01:08:16,924 --> 01:08:20,214

He's also got a signature with

license plates on the cars.

: 1573

01:08:20,814 --> 01:08:23,004

And I missed it in this.

: 1574

01:08:23,703 --> 01:08:26,884

All of the movies have the initials

of the movie that they're in.

: 1575

01:08:26,999 --> 01:08:27,349

Scott: right.

: 1576

01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:27,874

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1577

01:08:28,594 --> 01:08:34,384

Katie (2): And so this one was um,

HAB was on their, their license plate.

: 1578

01:08:34,413 --> 01:08:35,854

She's having a baby.

: 1579

01:08:36,184 --> 01:08:37,294

Scott: Oh, nice.

: 1580

01:08:37,354 --> 01:08:38,163

Katie (2): I'm, yeah,

: 1581

01:08:38,464 --> 01:08:41,974

so it's a, a signature of

Little Trademark Hughes.

: 1582

01:08:42,737 --> 01:08:46,067

Scott: Something that completely

passed me by up until listening to

: 1583

01:08:46,067 --> 01:08:49,336

the, your previous episodes and,

and you're talking, discussing that.

: 1584

01:08:49,392 --> 01:08:49,682

Yeah.

: 1585

01:08:50,117 --> 01:08:52,547

Katie (2): same, I wouldn't have

noticed it unless I was you know,

: 1586

01:08:52,547 --> 01:08:56,176

I'm watching them very carefully

now, but this being my first watch of

: 1587

01:08:56,176 --> 01:08:58,006

this, I, I didn't quite catch that.

: 1588

01:08:58,517 --> 01:09:01,846

So advertising in the eighties

is the biggest trope I've

: 1589

01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:03,077

ever seen in my entire life.

: 1590

01:09:03,077 --> 01:09:04,697

And this movie certainly has it.

: 1591

01:09:04,697 --> 01:09:08,327

Everybody has a job in the, in the

advertising industry and I think that's

: 1592

01:09:08,327 --> 01:09:11,506

why I went into it subconsciously.

: 1593

01:09:12,086 --> 01:09:14,877

And I love how like a

whole job is copywriter.

: 1594

01:09:15,792 --> 01:09:17,982

Like now that's like what

you do in five minutes.

: 1595

01:09:17,982 --> 01:09:21,742

You know, like it's just interesting

that his whole job is writing ad copy.

: 1596

01:09:22,312 --> 01:09:26,692

But that is exactly what John

Hughes did when he was starting out.

: 1597

01:09:26,812 --> 01:09:28,642

So he, he was basically Jake.

: 1598

01:09:28,642 --> 01:09:30,022

So this is very autobiographical

: 1599

01:09:30,022 --> 01:09:30,532

before.

: 1600

01:09:30,892 --> 01:09:32,032

So Jake's writing a book.

: 1601

01:09:32,961 --> 01:09:35,211

Hughes aspired to , write

movies, I would assume,

: 1602

01:09:35,506 --> 01:09:40,307

Did you notice anything

about Christie's clothes?

: 1603

01:09:40,966 --> 01:09:41,446

Scott: No.

: 1604

01:09:41,506 --> 01:09:41,836

Nothing.

: 1605

01:09:42,541 --> 01:09:42,901

Katie (2): no.

: 1606

01:09:43,126 --> 01:09:47,595

Well, I think I've noticed this in

some other movies too, and I'm not

: 1607

01:09:47,595 --> 01:09:51,702

sure if it were it was Hughes movies

or not, but again, if he's trying to

: 1608

01:09:51,702 --> 01:09:56,013

make like, because she's married and

she's gonna have a baby, they made

: 1609

01:09:56,013 --> 01:09:59,313

her like, they desexed her altogether.

: 1610

01:09:59,943 --> 01:10:03,873

Like they did Elizabeth McGovern so dirty

: 1611

01:10:04,818 --> 01:10:05,238

Scott: Oh,

: 1612

01:10:05,238 --> 01:10:05,748

right.

: 1613

01:10:05,823 --> 01:10:11,223

Katie (2): clothes they put her in ev I

mean, she's a woman in her early twenties.

: 1614

01:10:11,695 --> 01:10:12,295

She is beautiful.

: 1615

01:10:12,295 --> 01:10:17,245

I'm sure she has a gorgeous body, but

everything she wears, everything she wears

: 1616

01:10:17,245 --> 01:10:23,875

is as if she's 65 years old and it's super

frumpy, prudish, kindergarten teacher

: 1617

01:10:23,934 --> 01:10:25,705

looking, you know what I mean?

: 1618

01:10:25,765 --> 01:10:27,805

Scott: I, I do know what you mean by that.

: 1619

01:10:27,835 --> 01:10:28,015

Yeah,

: 1620

01:10:28,195 --> 01:10:29,275

Katie (2): What, why it

: 1621

01:10:29,425 --> 01:10:31,555

Scott: she is given a very kind of, yeah.

: 1622

01:10:31,585 --> 01:10:37,555

'cause 'cause you do forget like she

is given a very middle, like yeah, like

: 1623

01:10:37,555 --> 01:10:41,105

you say, she's gotta be in her, like

her early twenties, but she addresses

: 1624

01:10:41,105 --> 01:10:43,955

as, as she's at least 50 or whatever.

: 1625

01:10:43,985 --> 01:10:44,585

Yeah, yeah.

: 1626

01:10:44,684 --> 01:10:45,165

Yeah,

: 1627

01:10:46,035 --> 01:10:49,065

Katie (2): in every she's never

not in something horrible.

: 1628

01:10:49,585 --> 01:10:51,985

So I'm like, dang, poor

Elizabeth McGovern.

: 1629

01:10:52,015 --> 01:10:52,465

So

: 1630

01:10:52,585 --> 01:10:52,975

Scott: I do

: 1631

01:10:53,155 --> 01:10:54,775

Katie (2): we, do you think

that was on purpose to

: 1632

01:10:54,865 --> 01:10:55,735

Scott: think so.

: 1633

01:10:55,890 --> 01:11:01,125

I I think, I think so because like, to go

back to the, the scene where Davis brings

: 1634

01:11:01,130 --> 01:11:03,345

the, the, the, the woman from New York,

: 1635

01:11:03,735 --> 01:11:07,095

like, her reaction to that is like,

you know, get her out the house.

: 1636

01:11:07,095 --> 01:11:09,525

She's disgusting, you know,

kind of, kind of thing.

: 1637

01:11:09,525 --> 01:11:15,195

So, I think the movie does suggest

that the character is quite prim

: 1638

01:11:15,195 --> 01:11:17,775

and proper and quite buttoned up.

: 1639

01:11:18,155 --> 01:11:22,565

You know, like, so like it

kind of makes sense, but

: 1640

01:11:22,565 --> 01:11:24,785

I, I do, I do, I guess.

: 1641

01:11:25,115 --> 01:11:26,075

Katie (2): Unrealistically

: 1642

01:11:26,210 --> 01:11:27,170

Scott: but, but Yeah.

: 1643

01:11:27,170 --> 01:11:29,300

quite, quite, quite unrealistically.

: 1644

01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:34,260

And again, again, I guess that

could point to something problematic

: 1645

01:11:34,260 --> 01:11:37,230

in John Hughes of like, this is

how women are supposed to be.

: 1646

01:11:37,530 --> 01:11:37,800

Which

: 1647

01:11:38,025 --> 01:11:42,675

Katie (2): You can sexualize the other

woman, but not this wife and mother.

: 1648

01:11:42,735 --> 01:11:44,325

Scott: Yeah, not the, not the wife.

: 1649

01:11:44,325 --> 01:11:45,285

Not the wife and mother.

: 1650

01:11:45,285 --> 01:11:47,985

She's, she's supposed to be,

she's supposed to be pure.

: 1651

01:11:48,195 --> 01:11:48,675

And I guess

: 1652

01:11:48,675 --> 01:11:52,245

That's another slight trope

in John Hughes movies.

: 1653

01:11:52,245 --> 01:11:54,045

I don't know how many

movies it happens in.

: 1654

01:11:54,105 --> 01:11:55,335

But I can think of at least two.

: 1655

01:11:55,725 --> 01:12:02,465

Where there is where the character

kind of fantasizes over a, a

: 1656

01:12:02,465 --> 01:12:05,015

mysterious hypersexualized woman.

: 1657

01:12:05,265 --> 01:12:10,335

like you, like, so there's the

French woman in this film and there's

: 1658

01:12:10,335 --> 01:12:14,475

the Christie Brinkley girl in the

Ferrari character in vacation.

: 1659

01:12:14,805 --> 01:12:19,365

That's like, it's okay for

them to be, to be hypersexual

: 1660

01:12:19,665 --> 01:12:23,215

and for the male lead to

get all horn dog over.

: 1661

01:12:23,275 --> 01:12:29,615

But, the mo mother character should

be, should be much more stayed, you

: 1662

01:12:29,615 --> 01:12:33,615

know, which is, I mean, in vacation is

even more ridiculous 'cause it's like.

: 1663

01:12:34,245 --> 01:12:37,365

Chevy Chase, you're married

to a Beverly D'Angelo.

: 1664

01:12:37,365 --> 01:12:37,455

I

: 1665

01:12:37,455 --> 01:12:39,615

mean, like, what, what are you doing?

: 1666

01:12:40,155 --> 01:12:40,905

You're insane.

: 1667

01:12:41,025 --> 01:12:44,205

You're already, you're already

massively punching above your

: 1668

01:12:44,205 --> 01:12:45,400

weight, you know, like, what is

: 1669

01:12:47,530 --> 01:12:47,750

but

: 1670

01:12:47,770 --> 01:12:48,190

anyway,

: 1671

01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:52,720

Katie (2): That kind of reminds me of like

mobsters not that I would actually know,

: 1672

01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:57,330

but in mob movies and TV shows, they kind

of say, I can't do that with my wife.

: 1673

01:12:57,330 --> 01:13:01,260

That's why I've got my, my girlfriends

or, you know, my side chick or whatever.

: 1674

01:13:01,309 --> 01:13:03,170

They can't, it's like they, I don't know.

: 1675

01:13:03,170 --> 01:13:04,100

It's a weird thing.

: 1676

01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:04,430

So it's

: 1677

01:13:04,505 --> 01:13:08,805

Scott: I think, yeah, I, I think there's

yeah, I think, I think that is a trope.

: 1678

01:13:08,805 --> 01:13:12,225

I think it's like a, it's

like a, it's an old masculine

: 1679

01:13:12,225 --> 01:13:17,775

thing of, of you know, there's certain

women that are like, you know, mothers

: 1680

01:13:17,775 --> 01:13:19,985

and carers and , that's their role.

: 1681

01:13:19,985 --> 01:13:20,725

And you don't.

: 1682

01:13:21,115 --> 01:13:24,975

You know, do certain things or see

them in a certain way and but the

: 1683

01:13:24,975 --> 01:13:30,045

dirtier things, there's other women,

other more loose women that, you

: 1684

01:13:30,210 --> 01:13:30,600

Katie (2): I'm still

: 1685

01:13:30,795 --> 01:13:34,785

Scott: get like, I'm still going, I'm

still gonna do that just with the, the

: 1686

01:13:34,785 --> 01:13:36,975

other more loose women, which we will.

: 1687

01:13:37,184 --> 01:13:41,015

And there's this kind of hypocritical

thing of we will shame them for

: 1688

01:13:41,015 --> 01:13:43,805

their looseness, but we'll still

take advantage of their looseness.

: 1689

01:13:43,805 --> 01:13:44,045

And it's

: 1690

01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:45,140

Katie (2): of course.

: 1691

01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:45,650

Yeah.

: 1692

01:13:46,115 --> 01:13:46,535

Scott: that's,

: 1693

01:13:46,625 --> 01:13:49,175

yeah, that's a bit

hypocritical, but and gross.

: 1694

01:13:49,175 --> 01:13:49,955

But yeah.

: 1695

01:13:50,780 --> 01:13:51,350

Katie (2): It is.

: 1696

01:13:51,705 --> 01:13:54,260

I'm so glad I've forgotten

about the mysterious fantasy.

: 1697

01:13:54,309 --> 01:13:57,700

She's kind of a, throughout the

movie, he has fantasies about

: 1698

01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:58,370

Scott: Mm-hmm.

: 1699

01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,160

Katie (2): at first.

: 1700

01:14:00,250 --> 01:14:03,580

'cause the first time he sees

her is in, they're in a club.

: 1701

01:14:03,580 --> 01:14:08,500

And again, Christie is wearing

like a, like a business suit.

: 1702

01:14:09,835 --> 01:14:10,645

To a club.

: 1703

01:14:11,035 --> 01:14:12,235

I'm like, what is happening?

: 1704

01:14:12,725 --> 01:14:16,325

But they're in a club and Kevin Bacon's

dressed normally like a normal early

: 1705

01:14:16,325 --> 01:14:18,455

twenties guy, but Okay, I'll get off that.

: 1706

01:14:19,145 --> 01:14:22,265

This woman though, he sees her in

the club and then she kind of falls

: 1707

01:14:22,265 --> 01:14:26,225

into the bathroom and then they have

subsequent scene, like fantasy scenes.

: 1708

01:14:27,005 --> 01:14:31,145

I thought at the beginning that he

really did see her and that subsequent

: 1709

01:14:31,145 --> 01:14:36,184

scenes he was imagining her or has

she been imaginary the whole time?

: 1710

01:14:36,315 --> 01:14:40,500

Scott: Yeah, I wasn't sure at first, you

know, because the way it's presented,

: 1711

01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:45,120

obviously at first he sees her across

the club and then we cut into a fantasy

: 1712

01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,600

sequence where it is basically just the

two of them in the club, like looking

: 1713

01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:53,370

across the rail each other, and

then you're like, okay, maybe

: 1714

01:14:53,370 --> 01:14:55,860

that's just a, maybe the whole

thing's a fantasy, you know?

: 1715

01:14:55,860 --> 01:14:59,040

Maybe it's just imagining seeing

a pretty girl or whatever.

: 1716

01:14:59,550 --> 01:15:02,160

And then the bathroom scene happens

and then I'm like, oh, maybe.

: 1717

01:15:02,370 --> 01:15:03,960

I guess she maybe is real, I

: 1718

01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:04,260

guess.

: 1719

01:15:04,410 --> 01:15:09,390

And then, and then, and then again,

like you say, when she subsequently see.

: 1720

01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:14,010

Then I thought, well, maybe he's

just imagining that, but then they

: 1721

01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:17,700

have the, the, the conversation

in the Natural History Museum.

: 1722

01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,010

And then I was like, is she really?

: 1723

01:15:20,465 --> 01:15:24,815

And, and then, but I, I, don't know.

: 1724

01:15:24,820 --> 01:15:28,965

And, it's also because like the way

is kind of all kind of unrealistically

: 1725

01:15:28,995 --> 01:15:33,795

written in the, in, you know, she is

very much the, you know, like this

: 1726

01:15:33,855 --> 01:15:39,015

obviously several years before the,

the, the term manic Petey dream girl

: 1727

01:15:39,165 --> 01:15:43,065

was a, you know, a trope or whatever,

or named a trope that wasn't, didn't

: 1728

01:15:43,065 --> 01:15:44,115

come to the early two thousands.

: 1729

01:15:44,115 --> 01:15:47,965

But she's very much fits that

category of like, she's just

: 1730

01:15:47,965 --> 01:15:49,375

there to be a male fantasy.

: 1731

01:15:49,645 --> 01:15:52,045

And like all her lines are kind of like.

: 1732

01:15:52,795 --> 01:15:56,905

You know, like she, she doesn't have any

ca kinda character of her own really.

: 1733

01:15:57,175 --> 01:16:00,085

And like, you know, and even when

he's, he's like, oh, are you married?

: 1734

01:16:00,085 --> 01:16:01,825

And, and, and she's like, yeah.

: 1735

01:16:02,245 --> 01:16:04,105

And then, and then she's

very chill about that.

: 1736

01:16:04,105 --> 01:16:07,345

And this is basically, well, you know,

if you want to stay with your wife,

: 1737

01:16:07,405 --> 01:16:10,480

if basically what she, what, there's

a paraphrasing, but basically what

: 1738

01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,535

she says, well, if you want to stay

with your wife, well that's cool.

: 1739

01:16:12,715 --> 01:16:14,605

If you want to follow me also, cool.

: 1740

01:16:14,815 --> 01:16:15,025

But

: 1741

01:16:15,025 --> 01:16:19,465

anyway, I'm going to drift off in my,

you know, Manny Pixie dream goway.

: 1742

01:16:19,645 --> 01:16:23,365

And you're like, because I just exist

to, you know, for your pleasure or

: 1743

01:16:23,365 --> 01:16:23,725

whatever.

: 1744

01:16:23,755 --> 01:16:29,325

Like, it's so like, so it's, yeah, it's

so, the part of the reason I think that

: 1745

01:16:29,325 --> 01:16:33,555

you can never tell whether it's a fantasy

or if it's supposed to be happening

: 1746

01:16:33,555 --> 01:16:37,095

in the reality of the movie is because

all her lines are written as a fantasy.

: 1747

01:16:37,125 --> 01:16:38,805

So you never get a sense of her as

: 1748

01:16:38,805 --> 01:16:42,645

a cat, an actual real person, that

if somebody would meet, you know.

: 1749

01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:44,720

Katie (2): You guys let

me know what you think.

: 1750

01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:48,890

Did she start off real and

then become more of a fantasy?

: 1751

01:16:48,890 --> 01:16:51,350

Or was she a fantasy

figure the whole time?

: 1752

01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:52,460

Let me know.

: 1753

01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:53,630

Alright.

: 1754

01:16:53,630 --> 01:16:57,330

Now the credit scene, they have a baby.

: 1755

01:16:57,390 --> 01:16:57,570

Okay.

: 1756

01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:00,390

So that's, you know, that's

kind of, sort of like the

: 1757

01:17:00,390 --> 01:17:01,680

afterthought of the movie, right?

: 1758

01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,590

The big buildup is the scene that we

talked about in the hospital that was

: 1759

01:17:04,590 --> 01:17:06,780

so beautiful, but they have a baby.

: 1760

01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,410

There was a little bit of a misdirect,

we think maybe the baby didn't

: 1761

01:17:10,410 --> 01:17:12,300

make it, but of course it's a boy.

: 1762

01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:13,080

Scott: it did.

: 1763

01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:13,740

It did.

: 1764

01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:14,070

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1765

01:17:14,756 --> 01:17:19,806

So there's various people,

celebrities a lot of actors, most

: 1766

01:17:19,806 --> 01:17:23,086

of which are Hughes Universe alums.

: 1767

01:17:23,136 --> 01:17:25,896

Sometimes even in their

character, as their character

: 1768

01:17:26,436 --> 01:17:28,076

offering possible baby names.

: 1769

01:17:28,076 --> 01:17:28,556

Most of them.

: 1770

01:17:28,556 --> 01:17:29,516

Super ridiculous.

: 1771

01:17:29,876 --> 01:17:30,866

Suggestions.

: 1772

01:17:31,376 --> 01:17:34,646

Did you have any favorites or anybody

that stuck out to you in that sequence?

: 1773

01:17:34,646 --> 01:17:36,986

It was, there was probably

like 30 people maybe

: 1774

01:17:37,211 --> 01:17:40,571

Scott: I can't think, I can't think

of the names, but I, I do think the

: 1775

01:17:40,571 --> 01:17:44,381

standout, just because he thought of

such weird names, was Dan Aykroyd.

: 1776

01:17:44,591 --> 01:17:45,011

Like

: 1777

01:17:45,251 --> 01:17:48,761

his just riffing on coming up

with all these odd names, which

: 1778

01:17:48,941 --> 01:17:51,371

feels like a very aykroyd thing.

: 1779

01:17:51,371 --> 01:17:56,261

He seems very adept at coming up

with just wacky names for, for

: 1780

01:17:56,261 --> 01:17:57,371

characters and stuff like that.

: 1781

01:17:57,371 --> 01:18:02,401

So Aykroyd was a stand and I, I

also, it was funny that Aykroyd and

: 1782

01:18:02,411 --> 01:18:05,771

John Candy were clearly, clearly

on the set of great outdoors.

: 1783

01:18:06,041 --> 01:18:06,261

Katie (2): Yep.

: 1784

01:18:06,641 --> 01:18:06,861

Yep.

: 1785

01:18:08,366 --> 01:18:12,886

So was so was Bill Murray not on the

raid outdoors, but he was in, he had

: 1786

01:18:12,886 --> 01:18:14,566

just come over from a break from like

: 1787

01:18:14,701 --> 01:18:17,581

Scott: Scrooge, Scrooge, he's

definitely on the set of Scrooge.

: 1788

01:18:17,641 --> 01:18:18,091

Yes.

: 1789

01:18:18,371 --> 01:18:20,501

Which is one of my favorite Christmas

: 1790

01:18:20,501 --> 01:18:20,921

movies.

: 1791

01:18:20,981 --> 01:18:22,751

Such a, such a great film.

: 1792

01:18:23,561 --> 01:18:30,341

And just really points to how versatile

Richard Donner, director of the Omen

: 1793

01:18:30,341 --> 01:18:35,681

Lethal Weapon and the Goonies Un

Unscored is, it's like un superman.

: 1794

01:18:35,711 --> 01:18:36,971

What a style director.

: 1795

01:18:37,001 --> 01:18:37,211

What a

: 1796

01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:38,261

Katie (2): Super.

: 1797

01:18:38,266 --> 01:18:38,556

Yeah.

: 1798

01:18:39,006 --> 01:18:39,996

Maybe you should do him.

: 1799

01:18:40,046 --> 01:18:41,156

Maybe you should cover him.

: 1800

01:18:41,411 --> 01:18:47,761

Scott: Donner is a fascinating, like

for him to have directed like within a

: 1801

01:18:47,761 --> 01:18:54,331

decade of each other you know, or just

over a decade, the Omen Superman you

: 1802

01:18:54,331 --> 01:19:00,061

know, the Goonies Lethal Weapon, Scrooge,

you know, like in just over a decade.

: 1803

01:19:00,091 --> 01:19:00,451

Like

: 1804

01:19:00,961 --> 01:19:05,451

what a, what a weird and wacky career

that man had, but like, but brilliant.

: 1805

01:19:06,561 --> 01:19:07,221

Katie (2): Agreed.

: 1806

01:19:07,371 --> 01:19:08,811

So John Candy.

: 1807

01:19:09,996 --> 01:19:11,736

He was in the cameo offering a baby name.

: 1808

01:19:11,786 --> 01:19:14,966

So this movie actually, while it

was supposed to have been released

: 1809

01:19:14,966 --> 01:19:17,216

before, planes, trains, automobiles.

: 1810

01:19:17,796 --> 01:19:19,836

And we even see, I think when

she writes out a check, she

: 1811

01:19:19,836 --> 01:19:22,517

writes: 1986

: 1812

01:19:22,857 --> 01:19:25,537

But there was some, delays.

: 1813

01:19:25,592 --> 01:19:30,547

I, I think so it's interesting that we

see she's having a baby is playing in

: 1814

01:19:30,547 --> 01:19:34,777

the background in a couple of scenes

in plane strains and automobiles,

: 1815

01:19:35,437 --> 01:19:38,947

even though it hadn't come

out yet when plane strains and

: 1816

01:19:38,947 --> 01:19:41,087

automobiles was released in: 1987

: 1817

01:19:41,147 --> 01:19:42,077

I, I think

: 1818

01:19:42,432 --> 01:19:43,122

Scott: Yeah, I

: 1819

01:19:43,402 --> 01:19:44,682

remember from being on the episode.

: 1820

01:19:44,712 --> 01:19:45,002

Yeah.

: 1821

01:19:46,247 --> 01:19:46,607

Katie (2): yeah.

: 1822

01:19:46,607 --> 01:19:49,277

And so then that's interesting.

: 1823

01:19:49,277 --> 01:19:53,987

And then both John Candy and Kevin

Bacon had cameos in each other's movies.

: 1824

01:19:54,437 --> 01:20:00,587

One bit of trivia that I thought was

wild and I had to share a casting.

: 1825

01:20:00,587 --> 01:20:03,137

What if for Davis, the best friend,

: 1826

01:20:03,722 --> 01:20:04,112

Scott: Okay.

: 1827

01:20:04,638 --> 01:20:06,948

Katie (2): do you know

who Curtis Armstrong is?

: 1828

01:20:07,751 --> 01:20:09,011

Scott: Curtis Armstrong.

: 1829

01:20:09,071 --> 01:20:09,251

I

: 1830

01:20:09,251 --> 01:20:10,031

think I do.

: 1831

01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:10,811

I think

: 1832

01:20:10,811 --> 01:20:11,321

I do.

: 1833

01:20:12,086 --> 01:20:13,631

Katie (2): its booger,

from Revenge of the Nerds?

: 1834

01:20:14,741 --> 01:20:17,081

Scott: Oh, I do know

who Curtis Armstrong is.

: 1835

01:20:17,191 --> 01:20:18,841

He's a fun actor.

: 1836

01:20:18,841 --> 01:20:19,621

I couldn't like,

: 1837

01:20:20,341 --> 01:20:25,201

I couldn't picture him as a

kind of lethario necessarily,

: 1838

01:20:25,306 --> 01:20:26,416

Katie (2): think it would've gone,

: 1839

01:20:26,776 --> 01:20:32,925

it would've had to have gone a completely

different, like wacky way like in that

: 1840

01:20:32,925 --> 01:20:37,996

John Candy is like a, a bachelor, never

settled down in Uncle Buck, but he's not

: 1841

01:20:37,996 --> 01:20:41,186

like, an attractive Alec Baldwin type.

: 1842

01:20:42,026 --> 01:20:43,766

It would be sort of more like that, I

: 1843

01:20:43,976 --> 01:20:47,121

Scott: Yeah, I guess it would be more

more like that also remember Curtis

: 1844

01:20:47,121 --> 01:20:52,561

Armstrong is in a very funny John

Cusack comedy called Better Off Dead.

: 1845

01:20:52,941 --> 01:20:55,550

Which I which is quite a dark comedy.

: 1846

01:20:55,616 --> 01:21:00,050

It it, you know, points because

he's, John Cusack plays a suicidal

: 1847

01:21:00,050 --> 01:21:04,306

team, but like, but it's actually

way less depressing than that sounds.

: 1848

01:21:06,161 --> 01:21:07,996

Katie (2): It's been a

while since I've seen it.

: 1849

01:21:08,526 --> 01:21:11,406

I, I think that Alec Baldwin

was the perfect Davis.

: 1850

01:21:11,406 --> 01:21:12,846

I mean, it, I feel like it

: 1851

01:21:13,266 --> 01:21:16,326

could have been written for him,

but I just thought that was a wild

: 1852

01:21:16,326 --> 01:21:18,396

alternative with Curtis Armstrong.

: 1853

01:21:18,876 --> 01:21:19,266

Scott: Very.

: 1854

01:21:19,266 --> 01:21:19,626

Yeah.

: 1855

01:21:19,656 --> 01:21:23,406

Like you're saying, they must, they, it

would've been written very differently.

: 1856

01:21:23,586 --> 01:21:23,976

I can

: 1857

01:21:23,976 --> 01:21:24,606

only imagine.

: 1858

01:21:24,606 --> 01:21:24,786

Yeah.

: 1859

01:21:25,451 --> 01:21:28,241

Katie (2): Was there anything that we

didn't discuss that kind of jumped out

: 1860

01:21:28,241 --> 01:21:32,371

at you or that you noticed and, wanted

to bring up about she's having a baby?

: 1861

01:21:32,425 --> 01:21:35,456

Scott: We covered my favorite kind

of fantasy sequences and stuff

: 1862

01:21:35,456 --> 01:21:40,486

like that and yeah, I did like

you, I enjoyed them getting the

: 1863

01:21:40,486 --> 01:21:42,886

job despite lying about everything.

: 1864

01:21:43,636 --> 01:21:48,116

Katie (2): Oh, one thing I, one thing

too, I, I I don't know, I know housing

: 1865

01:21:48,116 --> 01:21:52,296

markets vary in, different countries,

but, so this was, in the mid to late

: 1866

01:21:52,296 --> 01:21:58,086

eighties, and they buy a very nice house,

like on the inside, it doesn't look nice,

: 1867

01:21:58,086 --> 01:22:01,116

but we see their, like, they live in

this really nice suburban neighborhood

: 1868

01:22:01,116 --> 01:22:06,606

on according to the, the hires of

Kevin Bacon's character slave wages.

: 1869

01:22:06,936 --> 01:22:13,896

So they're able to buy a house, but the

mother-in-law as kind of a snide comment

: 1870

01:22:13,896 --> 01:22:19,616

to the wife says, oh, it's amazing how

little your housing dollar will buy now.

: 1871

01:22:20,066 --> 01:22:22,556

Which in my head, I'm like,

that bought a shit ton.

: 1872

01:22:22,556 --> 01:22:23,306

Are you kidding me?

: 1873

01:22:23,306 --> 01:22:24,986

What did it buy in: 1950

: 1874

01:22:25,076 --> 01:22:25,256

You

: 1875

01:22:25,386 --> 01:22:25,675

Scott: Yeah.

: 1876

01:22:26,096 --> 01:22:28,300

No, I mean that's, that

seems, that seems crazy.

: 1877

01:22:28,300 --> 01:22:31,171

That does remind me of

one thing actually that.

: 1878

01:22:32,101 --> 01:22:36,111

We maybe haven't discussed, but like,

I, one I think that's funny because

: 1879

01:22:36,111 --> 01:22:39,951

I think that's like a movie in TV

trope, particularly like in in, in

: 1880

01:22:39,951 --> 01:22:44,821

that era where like, you know, people

who are families who are apparently

: 1881

01:22:45,171 --> 01:22:48,291

allegedly working class, living in

these massive houses or whatever.

: 1882

01:22:48,711 --> 01:22:54,971

Also like I, the, that scene that you're

talking about, this dollar stretching

: 1883

01:22:55,461 --> 01:23:00,441

one thing I would say is like, I

don't think this on top of the fashion

: 1884

01:23:00,441 --> 01:23:02,936

stuff, I don't think this movie does.

: 1885

01:23:04,131 --> 01:23:06,471

Good by Elizabeth McGovern's character.

: 1886

01:23:07,011 --> 01:23:12,291

I think like, like for, for me, like

the scene where they're setting up house

: 1887

01:23:12,741 --> 01:23:17,121

and they're kind of like, bickering

about their in respective in-laws

: 1888

01:23:17,541 --> 01:23:21,611

and there's like real comedic

chemistry that's a real fun sequence.

: 1889

01:23:21,971 --> 01:23:26,621

But I don't think like Christie has

given enough of those sequences.

: 1890

01:23:26,831 --> 01:23:31,961

I think, like you were saying, she's kind

of like set up as like this kind of very

: 1891

01:23:31,961 --> 01:23:37,681

responsible, very pri and proper, very

bundled up very mature kind of mother

: 1892

01:23:37,681 --> 01:23:39,451

type, you know, almost from the off.

: 1893

01:23:40,216 --> 01:23:42,916

And she's not really

allowed to have much fun.

: 1894

01:23:43,276 --> 01:23:46,636

And I think that like a, I

think a character can be both.

: 1895

01:23:46,666 --> 01:23:52,396

I think they can be both a very caring,

motherly type and, and also be like fun

: 1896

01:23:52,486 --> 01:23:55,186

and join in the, the fun of the film.

: 1897

01:23:55,456 --> 01:23:58,425

And she gets a couple of moments

and I think that's one of them where

: 1898

01:23:58,425 --> 01:23:59,925

they have a bit of banter about,

: 1899

01:24:00,196 --> 01:24:03,466

you know, her sagging off his parents

and him sagging off her parents.

: 1900

01:24:03,466 --> 01:24:04,636

And that's, that's fun.

: 1901

01:24:04,636 --> 01:24:08,416

And it's one of the moments that I think

feels most real to like a kind of the

: 1902

01:24:08,416 --> 01:24:10,756

way couples banter and stuff like that.

: 1903

01:24:11,716 --> 01:24:14,146

And I, I just wish there

was a bit more of that.

: 1904

01:24:14,175 --> 01:24:16,516

I wish her character was

filled out a bit more.

: 1905

01:24:16,666 --> 01:24:17,986

She was a bit more rounded.

: 1906

01:24:18,106 --> 01:24:24,046

She was seen beyond the scope of

like mother carer responsible woman.

: 1907

01:24:24,503 --> 01:24:25,733

Katie (2): Excellent point.

: 1908

01:24:25,803 --> 01:24:30,133

I, I very much agree you pointing

out their dialogue in that sequence.

: 1909

01:24:30,523 --> 01:24:35,706

Yeah, I agree on the Christie part where

he does shine, obviously John Hughes's,

: 1910

01:24:36,096 --> 01:24:37,836

he's a very good writer, obviously.

: 1911

01:24:38,146 --> 01:24:41,236

But his dialogue is, especially

a lot of his movies are kind of

: 1912

01:24:41,236 --> 01:24:44,656

known for their, their dialogue

especially in Breakfast Club.

: 1913

01:24:44,656 --> 01:24:51,166

But I, for whatever reason, it really

stuck out to me how good the dialogue

: 1914

01:24:51,166 --> 01:24:53,986

was in the very mundane neighbor.

: 1915

01:24:55,591 --> 01:24:57,481

Conversations that they have

: 1916

01:24:57,811 --> 01:25:00,721

seemed, you know, very realistic.

: 1917

01:25:00,721 --> 01:25:05,251

Just the things that they talked

about, how the women were with each

: 1918

01:25:05,251 --> 01:25:08,671

other, how the men were with each

other, and the back and forths.

: 1919

01:25:08,701 --> 01:25:12,901

I, I was like, that seems very realistic

for the eighties of what these neighbors

: 1920

01:25:12,901 --> 01:25:13,981

would actually be talking about.

: 1921

01:25:14,811 --> 01:25:15,951

Scott: I totally agree.

: 1922

01:25:16,201 --> 01:25:19,621

I think that, like, that

sequence is one of the funniest

: 1923

01:25:19,621 --> 01:25:21,741

sequences in, in the movie.

: 1924

01:25:21,741 --> 01:25:24,861

And yeah, it's, it is probably

an exaggeration of like middle

: 1925

01:25:24,861 --> 01:25:29,951

class, suburban life, but like

the, you know, Christie, it just.

: 1926

01:25:30,836 --> 01:25:36,126

Talked at by, by the other wis of

the neighborhoods who are just talk,

: 1927

01:25:36,126 --> 01:25:40,136

talking talking shit about like

the, the queer women, but also talk,

: 1928

01:25:40,166 --> 01:25:42,356

talking almost exclusively about food.

: 1929

01:25:42,925 --> 01:25:48,596

And then, then the husbands like

knowing all the specific models of

: 1930

01:25:48,596 --> 01:25:53,336

lawnmowers and like just the, like

talking almost exclusively about that.

: 1931

01:25:53,786 --> 01:25:58,066

And like, and yeah, it's an exaggeration,

but it's like a comic exaggeration

: 1932

01:25:58,066 --> 01:26:02,486

that really works because it is that

thing of you know, you, you know,

: 1933

01:26:02,486 --> 01:26:06,386

you've, everybody's been to those

kind of events where they're just, you

: 1934

01:26:06,386 --> 01:26:07,886

know, there's certain types of vary.

: 1935

01:26:08,201 --> 01:26:12,521

Middle class suburban people, they're

just always talking about house prices

: 1936

01:26:12,521 --> 01:26:16,581

and the, and the women are talking

about certain foods or, you know, or

: 1937

01:26:16,581 --> 01:26:20,811

clothes and, and the men are talking

about kind of like their cars and their

: 1938

01:26:20,811 --> 01:26:22,881

grills and, their barbecues or whatever,

: 1939

01:26:22,881 --> 01:26:25,041

that's the kinda things that obsess them.

: 1940

01:26:25,201 --> 01:26:27,211

And you know, whether

men or women obsessed

: 1941

01:26:27,211 --> 01:26:28,501

with gardens, you know,

: 1942

01:26:29,251 --> 01:26:31,921

they, they, they love gardens like,

: 1943

01:26:31,921 --> 01:26:32,916

um, uh, you know.

: 1944

01:26:33,181 --> 01:26:36,361

Katie (2): I mean, it was smart too

in that the, there was like little

: 1945

01:26:36,361 --> 01:26:39,841

payoffs that, like the guys were talking

about, oh, you don't know anything.

: 1946

01:26:39,841 --> 01:26:41,371

You, you buy these cheap hoses.

: 1947

01:26:41,371 --> 01:26:42,811

You go through as many hoses.

: 1948

01:26:43,141 --> 01:26:45,571

Two a year, you'd be on

your 18th wife by now.

: 1949

01:26:45,571 --> 01:26:47,821

And it sits out there and it gets all hot.

: 1950

01:26:47,821 --> 01:26:51,361

And you then when you wash the dog

that you burn the dog or something.

: 1951

01:26:51,361 --> 01:26:55,321

And then two seconds later, one of

the wives is like Paul or whatever

: 1952

01:26:55,321 --> 01:26:59,401

his name is, go get the picnic table

out from around the house or whatever.

: 1953

01:26:59,401 --> 01:27:02,971

And then the other wife yells at

her husband, Joe, whatever his name

: 1954

01:27:02,971 --> 01:27:07,201

is, help him and you haven't done

anything to lift a finger to for this.

: 1955

01:27:07,201 --> 01:27:08,761

And he said, I washed the dog.

: 1956

01:27:08,761 --> 01:27:11,071

And she's like, you burned the dog.

: 1957

01:27:11,371 --> 01:27:12,151

So like little.

: 1958

01:27:12,151 --> 01:27:13,381

I was like, oh, that's cute.

: 1959

01:27:13,441 --> 01:27:14,101

I like it.

: 1960

01:27:14,161 --> 01:27:15,481

Scott: yeah, it's, it's fun.

: 1961

01:27:15,541 --> 01:27:15,931

It's fun.

: 1962

01:27:15,931 --> 01:27:17,581

It's very well written

and it's very, it's very

: 1963

01:27:17,581 --> 01:27:17,941

funny.

: 1964

01:27:18,031 --> 01:27:18,271

Yeah.

: 1965

01:27:18,931 --> 01:27:19,231

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1966

01:27:19,231 --> 01:27:22,981

I think that, yeah,

well-written, very interesting.

: 1967

01:27:23,011 --> 01:27:25,411

Very different than a

lot of Hughes movies.

: 1968

01:27:25,921 --> 01:27:27,151

Well, acted.

: 1969

01:27:28,171 --> 01:27:31,591

I think it needed to be a

little tighter for me, like it,

: 1970

01:27:31,711 --> 01:27:32,401

Scott: Yeah.

: 1971

01:27:32,401 --> 01:27:36,796

I, I think I, I think that's another

difference of a a, a lot of QS

: 1972

01:27:36,826 --> 01:27:40,246

movies, a lot of QS movies are,

you know, come in, in the kinda

: 1973

01:27:40,246 --> 01:27:42,796

90 minutes, this is like an M 45.

: 1974

01:27:43,696 --> 01:27:47,746

Like for a movie that's like, you know,

we talked about, you know, the reveal that

: 1975

01:27:47,746 --> 01:27:51,496

she's not been taking the pill for three

months and for a movie that's called,

: 1976

01:27:51,736 --> 01:27:56,236

she's having a baby, that reveal comes

in like about an hour into the movie.

: 1977

01:27:56,416 --> 01:27:56,656

So

: 1978

01:27:56,656 --> 01:27:59,326

like the, the whole baby having

part in the movie's like the

: 1979

01:27:59,326 --> 01:28:01,336

last 45 minutes, you know,

: 1980

01:28:01,386 --> 01:28:02,616

Katie (2): A while to get there.

: 1981

01:28:02,706 --> 01:28:05,766

Scott: you know, so you, you think

for a movie titled that, that that,

: 1982

01:28:05,826 --> 01:28:09,996

that, that would've come into the plot

earlier than it, than it does rather

: 1983

01:28:09,996 --> 01:28:15,356

than just you know, here's a young

couple's marriage and a baby comes at

: 1984

01:28:15,356 --> 01:28:17,246

the end, you know, it's, it's, yeah.

: 1985

01:28:18,476 --> 01:28:19,076

Katie (2): Yes.

: 1986

01:28:19,346 --> 01:28:23,576

And the book that he writes, the reveal

at the end has the same titles, the movie.

: 1987

01:28:24,086 --> 01:28:27,336

So that was a nice

little bow on the movie.

: 1988

01:28:27,675 --> 01:28:30,716

I don't think I have any further

thoughts unless you do Scott.

: 1989

01:28:32,076 --> 01:28:34,686

Any final thoughts on she's having a baby?

: 1990

01:28:36,425 --> 01:28:37,476

Scott: No, I don't think so.

: 1991

01:28:37,476 --> 01:28:39,696

I think we've, gone over

the positive negatives.

: 1992

01:28:39,696 --> 01:28:42,886

I think there's more positive

than negatives and I think

: 1993

01:28:42,886 --> 01:28:44,906

it's and underrated film.

: 1994

01:28:45,216 --> 01:28:48,175

I think people I think people should,

should check it out, you know?

: 1995

01:28:49,326 --> 01:28:51,175

A lot of it works, some of it doesn't.

: 1996

01:28:51,175 --> 01:28:54,086

Some of the fantasy

sequences are hilarious.

: 1997

01:28:54,116 --> 01:28:57,686

Some of the fantasy sequences

are just a bit weird,

: 1998

01:28:57,956 --> 01:29:01,786

I think the one where, you know, she's

not taking the pill and then they

: 1999

01:29:01,786 --> 01:29:06,196

have sex, and then it cuts to like

this kind of, you know, these women

: 2000

01:29:06,196 --> 01:29:08,266

in a boiler room or something with a

: 2001

01:29:08,656 --> 01:29:10,666

very tight revealing clothing.

: 2002

01:29:10,666 --> 01:29:15,046

I, that was just one of those ones,

I was like, okay, I, I kind of

: 2003

01:29:15,046 --> 01:29:16,216

see, I see what you're doing, but

: 2004

01:29:17,386 --> 01:29:18,016

random.

: 2005

01:29:18,496 --> 01:29:21,781

Yeah, and like, it's interesting

'cause I think the one other thing

: 2006

01:29:21,781 --> 01:29:25,166

I will say is I think that like, eh.

: 2007

01:29:25,946 --> 01:29:29,966

The way it looks is also a bit

different and a bit interesting.

: 2008

01:29:30,296 --> 01:29:34,976

A lot of the movie is very stylized and

a lot of the movie, the, particularly

: 2009

01:29:34,976 --> 01:29:38,546

the fantasy sequences look like

a music video, and, which I don't

: 2010

01:29:38,546 --> 01:29:40,826

think other John Muse movies do.

: 2011

01:29:40,831 --> 01:29:44,396

So that's, I think that's the last

thing I, I, I mentioned it stylistically

: 2012

01:29:44,396 --> 01:29:45,506

looks a bit different as well.

: 2013

01:29:46,646 --> 01:29:47,786

Katie (2): You know that.

: 2014

01:29:47,966 --> 01:29:49,106

I'm glad that you brought that up.

: 2015

01:29:49,106 --> 01:29:50,996

I could not put my finger on it.

: 2016

01:29:51,296 --> 01:29:55,876

But of course, having , a veteran

movie podcaster on to, to bring that

: 2017

01:29:55,876 --> 01:30:00,886

up, that's exactly in addition to the

tonal difference visually, it does

: 2018

01:30:00,886 --> 01:30:04,116

seem like such a sharp contrast when

you go in and out of those sequences.

: 2019

01:30:04,656 --> 01:30:05,586

Great eye, Scott.

: 2020

01:30:06,266 --> 01:30:07,796

it has been a great conversation.

: 2021

01:30:08,016 --> 01:30:12,481

So thank you so much for joining

me to, to cover, the last of John

: 2022

01:30:12,481 --> 01:30:15,436

Hughes written and directed movies

that we're gonna cover on retro made.

: 2023

01:30:15,896 --> 01:30:17,546

Tell us where we can hear more from you.

: 2024

01:30:18,333 --> 01:30:21,023

Scott: So you can hear from more

from me from my two podcast.

: 2025

01:30:21,023 --> 01:30:24,773

I mean, my other podcast that I

don't do any longer is still on

: 2026

01:30:24,773 --> 01:30:27,833

like Spotify, apple Podcasts where

wherever you get your podcast.

: 2027

01:30:27,883 --> 01:30:29,053

So that's New Horror Express.

: 2028

01:30:29,083 --> 01:30:31,423

I kind of, that's an

interview podcast mainly.

: 2029

01:30:31,793 --> 01:30:35,693

So I interviewed a lot of people

within the indie horror industry.

: 2030

01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:39,663

And then my other podcasts

are both review podcasts, all

: 2031

01:30:39,663 --> 01:30:41,133

nineties action all the time.

: 2032

01:30:41,233 --> 01:30:43,093

We just cover nineties action movies.

: 2033

01:30:43,343 --> 01:30:47,463

We do it from the corresponding

year in the nineties.

: 2034

01:30:47,463 --> 01:30:51,063

So this year we're covering

the movies of: 1996

: 2035

01:30:51,063 --> 01:30:54,493

We've got our March and April

episodes all ready to go.

: 2036

01:30:54,493 --> 01:30:59,593

So you know that'll be the Phantom

and Adrenaline Fear, the Rush on on.

: 2037

01:30:59,653 --> 01:31:00,643

That's those two episodes.

: 2038

01:31:01,063 --> 01:31:02,258

And, yes.

: 2039

01:31:02,288 --> 01:31:07,068

And then there's Bloody Sam, a Peck

Nppa Fan podcast which is, is a mini

: 2040

01:31:07,068 --> 01:31:12,318

series I'm doing which will just be

covering the 14 feature films of Sam

: 2041

01:31:12,318 --> 01:31:14,568

Peck Nppa over the course of 14 months.

: 2042

01:31:15,118 --> 01:31:19,673

And the March episode is on The Wild

Bunch, which is possibly his most famous

: 2043

01:31:19,673 --> 01:31:19,943

film.

: 2044

01:31:19,973 --> 01:31:20,123

A

: 2045

01:31:20,313 --> 01:31:21,728

Katie (2): yeah, I know that one.

: 2046

01:31:21,923 --> 01:31:24,923

Scott: very famous, very

famous, very famous Western.

: 2047

01:31:24,923 --> 01:31:25,282

I think.

: 2048

01:31:25,333 --> 01:31:29,743

That, and Straw Dogs is probably the, the,

if people don't, don't know, pecking Pie

: 2049

01:31:29,743 --> 01:31:32,263

Atol, that's the one people, that's the

: 2050

01:31:32,263 --> 01:31:33,733

ones that people might have heard of.

: 2051

01:31:33,983 --> 01:31:37,863

But yeah, no, he generally direct

kinda Western in action action films.

: 2052

01:31:38,193 --> 01:31:39,513

There's three available episodes.

: 2053

01:31:39,513 --> 01:31:42,363

Maybe by the time this episode goes

out, there might be four available

: 2054

01:31:42,363 --> 01:31:44,393

episodes for, for you to listen to.

: 2055

01:31:44,613 --> 01:31:46,053

All Night is Action all the time.

: 2056

01:31:46,782 --> 01:31:50,593

I think we've got maybe 75, 76

episodes, something like that.

: 2057

01:31:50,623 --> 01:31:51,013

Yeah, we've,

: 2058

01:31:51,433 --> 01:31:52,688

yeah, we've got quite a few.

: 2059

01:31:53,018 --> 01:31:56,508

And yeah, and I mentioned earlier you

are express, it's totally complete

: 2060

01:31:56,508 --> 01:31:58,308

now, but there is 185 episodes.

: 2061

01:31:58,308 --> 01:31:59,118

There's lots of

: 2062

01:31:59,538 --> 01:31:59,868

lots of

: 2063

01:31:59,988 --> 01:32:01,398

Katie (2): Binge away.

: 2064

01:32:01,398 --> 01:32:02,448

Scott: things you could listen to.

: 2065

01:32:02,448 --> 01:32:04,923

If, if you want to further

delve into my podcasting.

: 2066

01:32:05,838 --> 01:32:06,288

Katie (2): Awesome.

: 2067

01:32:06,288 --> 01:32:10,738

Well, I will have Scott's links

in the show notes so that you can

: 2068

01:32:10,768 --> 01:32:12,748

easily check out his podcasts.

: 2069

01:32:13,028 --> 01:32:17,407

But yes, this is our look back and

having a baby and a slice of: 1988

: 2070

01:32:18,188 --> 01:32:21,448

If you have thoughts on this

one or where it lands in the

: 2071

01:32:21,448 --> 01:32:23,938

Hughes lineup, send them my way.

: 2072

01:32:23,998 --> 01:32:28,648

And if you're enjoying the show, I really

would appreciate if you take a second

: 2073

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to follow rate and leave a quick review.

: 2074

01:32:30,838 --> 01:32:33,858

I haven't gotten one in a long time,

so I would very much appreciate

: 2075

01:32:33,858 --> 01:32:37,548

you going on over and leaving a

review, at least a five star rating.

: 2076

01:32:37,858 --> 01:32:39,358

So that would be most appreciated.

: 2077

01:32:39,358 --> 01:32:42,388

And until next time, be kind, rewind.