The Fox and the Hound (Kurt Russell as Copper) + MTV! | S1E5

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Very best friend.

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And we'll always be friends forever.

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Yeah.

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Forever.

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I just wanted to see you.

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Where.

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We're still friends.

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Aren't we.

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Todd.

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Those days are over.

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Over.

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I'm a hunting dog now.

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I want my MTV.

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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We're gonna go back to the summer of 1981.

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Today a might fine time if I do say so myself.

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M T V was born as was yours truly.

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And of course, the adorable Disney Classic.

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The Fox and the Hound was released with our every man Kurt Russell voicing copper.

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I even have my very own hound dogs now.

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Maybe it was this movie that put the idea of adopting bloodhounds into my head.

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Hey, head on over to, uh, the retro made Facebook page to see pictures of them.

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We'll call them mascots of the show since I can't really call them assistants.

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I catch them sleeping on the job far too often for them to be assistant.

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So Rambo and Balboa will be retro made.

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Podcast mascots.

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So check 'em out if you are into dogs, and especially if you loved

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the box and the hound like I did.

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And now even more so, because I have blood hounds.

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Does anyone else have, hound dogs?

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They are definitely unique and , I actually found the specific type of

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bark that copper has in this movie now rewatching it, I feel like it really does

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capture, , bloodhound bark pretty well.

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Okay.

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Let's open the time capsule from July of 1981.

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We have our primetime tv, according to Nielsen ratings, the top shows,

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again, 1981, the year I was born Dallas, the Dukes of Hazard Mash.

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The love boat, the Jeffersons Alice House calls, which I

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was not at all familiar with.

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I've never heard of that.

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I looked it up and it's an American sitcom that lasted three seasons starring Lynn

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Redgrave as a hospital administrator that has three unruly doctors to cope with.

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Is anyone else familiar with this one?

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I was not.

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Please let me know.

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Additionally, three's company, of course, little House on the Prairie,

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and one day at a time now premiering.

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In 1981, we have Dynasty, hill Street, blues, Cagney, and Lacey.

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And Gimme a Break.

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You guys remember, gimme a Break with Nell Carter.

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I loved this show.

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Actually, the reruns are, still on one of those channels that I

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talked about in a previous episode.

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I don't remember which one exactly, but either antenna or cozy or one

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of those, , nostalgia channels.

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Gosh.

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Gimme a break with Neil Carter.

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I don't know if that type of show would be made now, but I loved it.

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Then in terms of finales, in July or the summer of 1981, Charlie's Angels finished

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the Muppet Show, the Waltons and Soap.

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The standouts for Saturday mornings.

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Are you ready for this?

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Guess which Amazing cartoon debuted in 1981?

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The Smurfs.

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And then of course we have.

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The Flintstones, Popeye, bugs Bunny and Roadrunner.

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Heathcliff and Marmaduke, another amazing, great Dane from the eighties.

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I myself had three.

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They're pretty awesome.

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And then Daffy Duck, and then the midday programming, as we've talked about before.

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We have American Bandstand, Tom and Jerry, and actually this might

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be a new one, the Bo Winkle Show.

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I don't think we've covered that one.

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So 1981, midday programming.

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Now the top 10, music billboards that week, number one, Betty

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Davis, eyes by Kim Carnes.

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Number two is all those years ago by George Harrison.

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Number three is the one that you love by air supply number four.

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Is Jessie's girl by Rick Springfield.

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I sort of can't believe that this was 1981.

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It somehow feels like both long, like a way long time ago, but also very recent.

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Somehow this song is still in heavy rotation on the radio, so I dunno.

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It's a weird time warp there.

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Jessie's girl, 1981.

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Okay, number five is

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Make My Dreams by Holland Oats.

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Number six, Elvira, the Oak Ridge boys.

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Number seven, almost don't even know how to say it.

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I went down a rabbit hole on this because it is listed as

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a med medley by stars on 45.

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Then the song is also called Stars on 45.

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It's the Stars on 45 with a medley of Beatles songs

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that's backed by a disco beat.

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I literally had never heard of Stars on 45, but apparently it is a Dutch

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studio group and they climbed all the way to the top of the US pop charts

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in 1981 with a single whose impossibly long title takes almost as long to

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read as the song itself takes to play.

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The actual title is Medley, intro venus slash sugar Sugar slash no replies slash

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I'll be back slash drive my car slash Do you wanna know a secret slash we can

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work it out slash I should have known better slash nowhere man slash, you're

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going to lose that girl slash stars on 45.

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It's literally the longest title ever to chart in a billboard and was

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conveniently shortened to stars on 45 medley or just medley by stars on 45.

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You can see why I went down a rabbit hole with the confusion of how to

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even talk about this, but that was apparently number seven on the charts.

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It's not very good.

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I listen to it anyway.

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Number eight is the theme from the greatest American hero.

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By Joey Scarry.

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Number nine is, I Don't Need You by Kenny Rogers.

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And rounding out the top 10 is the Pointer.

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Sisters with Slow hand.

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A few, pieces of, news or events that I thought you might find interesting.

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Firstly, Sandra Day O'Connor was the first female Supreme Court Justice you guys.

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This is July of 1981.

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Again, both surprising and not surprising that this is only 40 ish years ago.

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We're just now at this time getting our first woman on the Supreme Court.

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Sandra Day O'Connor, , Nintendo's Arcade Game, donkey Kong was released, 1981.

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Guys.

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Then in August, so still in the summer, but moving past July

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a little bit, M T V was born.

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Stay tuned after the movie coverage for more on M T V.

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Okay, so let's get into the fox and the hound and the fox and the hound that I'm

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referring to is the Disney animated movie.

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This one right here.

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There you can see it a little bit better.

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That's the original cover.

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For listeners.

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, it's the puffy, VHS, plastic puffy case.

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So it's the original.

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That's how I watched a movie on my vcr.

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Yep, you betcha.

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Okay, so this is an interesting little tidbit for our Kurt Russell

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because the release date of the Fox and the Hound was July 10th, 1981.

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If this sounds familiar to anyone, it's because that's the exact same

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day as Escape from New York came out.

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He literally had two movies that came out on the same exact day.

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I find that wild for some reason, this is a, A rated G of course,

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and the I M D B rating is a 7.2.

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We have three directors for this movie and three writers as well.

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So Ted Berman was a director, he was also a writer on this, and he's known

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for the Black cauldron bed knobs and broomsticks and the rescuers.

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Richard Rich, that's a fun name known for the Swan Princess and

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the Black Cauldron and Art Stevens known for Andromeda Strain, the

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Rescuers and the Black Cauldron.

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Everybody seems to be on the Black Cauldron.

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Writers Daniel p Manix, who actually wrote the novel on which this movie was based.

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So he was one of the writers along with larry Clemens known for the Rescuers,

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the Jungle Book and the Aristocrats.

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And then as I mentioned, Ted Berman, who was the director as well.

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Now this is a pretty sweet cast, and when I watched this as a child, obviously I

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didn't, I know I didn't fully appreciate this voice cast, so, Get a lot of this.

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We have Mickey Rooney as Todd the Fox, now Mickey Rooney has been nominated for four

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Oscars I should mention that these are all, obviously it's an animated movies, so

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the cast was all voice.

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Kurt Russell, , as Copper, the Hound, Pearl Bailey as Big Mama, the Wise

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Motherly Owl, Jack Albertson as Amos Slade, who is the hunter in this.

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And, if his voice sounds familiar to you, it's because he also played Grandpa Joe in

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Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, but he's best known to audiences as the man.

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In the TV series, Chico M, the Man from 1974.

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Never heard of it, but apparently that's who's best known, role because he won

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an

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Emmy for that.

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Then we have Sandy Duncan as Vickie, the Lady Fox, Jeanette Nolan as Widow Tweed.

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K like the old farmer lady, and her voice, if she sounds familiar, those

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golden girls bands might recognize her.

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She played Rose's mom in an episode of The Golden Girls, but her most notable role

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was as Lady Macbeth opposite Orson Wells.

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Now chief, the old timer dog in this is, , voiced by Pat Butra and he did a

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ton of other voice work, including the animated, , Robinhood, the Wolf Sheriff

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of Nottingham, he played that and he was also Napoleon in the Aristocrats.

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And then John Feedler, he voices the porcupine in the fox and the hound.

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And if you re-watch it, you will recognize this voice immediately.

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It's piglet.

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It's the voice of piglet in the original 1977 Poo.

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John Feedler was also in 12 Angry Men, the Odd Couple and

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the original 1969 True Grit.

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So he's kind of a big deal, it seems.

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And then we have richard Alion.

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As dinky the Sparrow.

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He also played Amos in Turner and Hooch, the old man.

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Oh, Turner and Hooch.

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Gosh, I can't wait to cover that movie when we get to a

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season that allows for it.

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He was also in Psycho, the voice of Rufuss in the Rescuers.

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Then Boomer the Woodpecker.

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You'll also very much recall his voice.

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Who is Paul Winsell?

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Known for Tigger's voice in the original 1977 Poo.

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Then as the youngsters, Keith Coogan voices the young Todd and you guys, the

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name might not sound familiar to you, but I guarantee you know who he is.

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He, was most known for playing Brad in adventures, in

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babysitting, as well as Kenny.

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And don't Tell Mom the babysitter's dead.

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And then we have Corey Feldman as Young Copper.

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You all know who Corey is?

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Uh, stand by Me.

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The Lost Boys, Goonies and one of the Corey's.

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Now these guys must have been really young.

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When I was a kid watching this, I didn't, none of these, I don't

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even think I recognized that it was Kurt Russell probably.

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But man, this is quite a voice cast, so thank you for bearing with me on that.

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I just wanted to point all of those, amazing voice actors out.

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The score is also really, really well done.

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Buddy Baker did the score for the Fox and the Hound, and he scored

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over 50 films and coordinated the musical components of the Epcot

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Center project, which opened in 1982.

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And then apparently when he retired in 1983, he was the last staff composer at

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a major Hollywood studio oh . Fun fact.

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He also scored the many adventures of Winnie Poo in 1977.

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This movie is just chockfull of crossover with Winnie the Pooh.

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Okay.

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We'll talk a little bit more about it, but a high level description

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for those of you who, for some reason haven't seen this movie in your

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lifetime, or maybe it's been 30 years.

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So we have a feisty little box named Todd is adopted to a farm family.

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He quickly becomes friends with a fun and adorable hound puppy named Copper.

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Life is full of hilarious adventures until copper is expected to take on his

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role as a hunting dog and the object of his search is his best friend,

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this won Germany's Golden Screen Award it made quite a bit of money.

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It grossed 63.5 million on a 12 million budget.

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Okay, now, as I mentioned, I still have a VCR and I hope that thing never dies.

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And this is how I watched it.

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Again, I'm, for those of you who are listening, there's a glare.

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There we go.

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I am showcasing this amazing Disney cassette plastic,

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puffy, those original ones.

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I'm not describing it well, probably, but you guys know what I'm talking about.

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Now Kurt Russell.

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A Disney legend returned to the studios to voice the adult hound dog Copper.

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As I mentioned, it was his 10th Disney movie.

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Again, this is in 1981, and that was his 10th Disney movie.

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He did return again in 2004 to Star as the hockey coach in Miracle,

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which man, I need to re-watch that.

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I think I remember that movie being really good.

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Anyway, getting into the movie, we do start off with a tragedy per Disney,

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usual with a frightened and desperate fox mama trying to flee hunters while

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carrying her baby in her mouth, that she eventually has to hide the baby so she

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can try and escape and then come back.

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But she hides the baby and then she's killed offscreen.

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I just hate this.

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It's sad watching Disney movies for a number of reasons,

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but this is very bam bisque.

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Anyway, the other forest creatures pitch in to help the baby find a home

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with that farmer lady, aka widow tweet.

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Now, I didn't know until this week when I rewatched the movie that Todd is spelled

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with one D and is short for toddler.

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As widow Tweed says, but is also derived from the middle English word

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Todd, t o d d e, which means fox.

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So there's that, based on the cars in the movie, the clothes, , the fact that

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they have dogs chained up to barrels.

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I had guessed this to be set in like the 1920s or 1930s perhaps.

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And then we have, this, hillbilly looking, hillbilly acting.

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Amos, he's the neighbor to widow tweed.

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He's also the hunter in the movie.

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He brings home a bloodhound puppy to his old timer dog chief.

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The puppy's name is Copper and there are just no words for how adorable he is.

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And I know, I know this is a cartoon, but the animation is really lifelike and

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impressively good with facial expressions.

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I, I just really find it.

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Moving, like really moving.

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And then he's got these big old ears.

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And especially since actually the day that I'm recording this is, my

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little Balboa, it's her birthday she was born into a rescue and so she's

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the first puppy I've ever had, and she was just all ears and all paws.

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And so it brought me to the time of taking her home, so it was really touching.

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We see this tiny little copper, and then he speaks and it's even

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more adorable because this tiny Corey Feldman voice is too cute.

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I should have looked up when Corey Feldman was born, but he couldn't have been.

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I mean, his voice sounds like he's like four, and it's so cute.

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It's so cute.

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You guys gotta re-watch this.

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And then there's this scene where the baby versions of Todd and Copper meet.

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It's.

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Freaking fantastic.

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So Todd goes exploring to stay outta trouble cuz he keeps, causing

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havoc for , his adopted mama.

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And both of their voices together are just adorable.

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They're neighbors.

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They become the best of friends and there's a whole song to accompany it.

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And they go playing every day until copper gets tied up by Amos.

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Has to ruin all the fun.

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So then Amos and the dogs are, we, we see a scene where they're

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heading out in the old timey truck or car on a very long hunting trip.

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He says something like they'll be back in the spring or they

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won't be back until the spring.

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So we see in the movie, how Todd's kind of waiting for his

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friend to come back and he's sad.

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And we see the seasons change and during this time, copper is being trained.

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To become a hunting dog.

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They hunt fox.

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So Todd is at the same time being taught and warned that his friend might come back

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different and that his friend is being taught to kill creatures just like Todd.

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Todd doesn't wanna believe this, but obviously we see where this is

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headed and sure enough, when they come back, there's a truckload of.

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Dead little creatures just like Todd.

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I mean, it's just like heartbreaking to watch these Disney movies with animals.

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For me, , any other animal lovers out there?

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It's hard.

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Right?

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Okay, so now they're back at springtime and Todd and Copper are grown up.

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They have their adult voices of Kurt Russell and Mickey Rooney now.

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So Copper has now been taught to be a hunting dog and he tells Todd that

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their days of friendship are over and that Todd better stay away cuz

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he doesn't wanna have to hurt him.

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God, this is heart wrenching again, the facial expressions of the these animated.

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Animals.

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It just really does sell the emotions.

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It's really good.

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1981, I, I guess I'm really impressed.

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Rewatching it.

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Okay, so to keep Todd safe, widow Tweed drives him out to a game reserve.

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It's super sad cuz she's just, she doesn't wanna let him go,

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but it's for his own safety.

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So it's a game reserve with signs that say no hunting.

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So you're not allowed to hunt here.

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So she sets him free there.

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And again, it's even, it just gets more and more heartbreaking.

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Todd's first night is super sad.

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It's raining.

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He can't find anywhere to stay, but he does eventually find some friends and

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he even finds a lady Fox vixy and a little, little romance blossoms there.

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It's really cute.

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But then, Amos and Copper, they're now set on catching Todd, , because

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there was a chase scene that resulted in chief the old dog getting hurt.

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So now they're both pissed.

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So Amos ignores the fact that there's a no hunting sign.

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He, he doesn't care, and he sets those barbaric steel jaw traps.

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Don't even get me started on these.

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Anyway, he invades Todd's home.

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He literally like goes into his home, sets these traps, and then

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he also sets the burrow ablaze.

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So now Todd and Vickie are like together.

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They have a little burrow and it's now caught on fire because Amos just is

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set on getting Todd this whole time.

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Meanwhile, Vickie, the lady knew something wasn't right.

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That woman's intuition.

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Nice touch Disney.

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Now there's an intense chase with the perfect music to bring

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us along this frightful event.

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There's a huge bear that actually saves the day, sort of preventing

Katie: 00:21:07

Amos from shooting Todd.

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So Amos gets a shot at Todd and then here comes this giant bear, right then

Katie: 00:21:14

Copper, the ever loyal dog that he is.

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He tries to fight off the bear to protect his, master, their word, not mine.

Katie: 00:21:24

Also, so now, now, so Todd gets away.

Katie: 00:21:27

Now he's could be home free, but he actually returns to the trouble so

Katie: 00:21:33

that he can distract the bear to help cop his friend, resulting in Todd

Katie: 00:21:38

being flung off of a log that's over a, there's a beautiful, it's, again,

Katie: 00:21:43

it's animation, but it's beautiful.

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There's, uh, a waterfall and there's a log that you could walk along.

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Anyway, he gets thrown off of that.

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And he plummets to the riverbed.

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And at first we aren't sure if Todd survives.

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He does, but barely now.

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So now copper approaches and then the hunter shows up pointing his gun at Todd.

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Now as a final act of true friendship, Choosing his true friend

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over his master's cruel commands.

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Copper blocks the shot by standing in front of Todd and

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refuses to move bravo copper.

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So miraculously, Amos gives up, he gives in and he leaves.

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And so, you know, copper's his dog so he has to go.

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So copper kind of starts to trot along, but he turns back.

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And looks at Todd with a smile as if no words are needed.

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They both understand.

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Oh, it was such a good scene.

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Again, this is an animation, but it's just really good.

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So now we cut to Happy Music.

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Thank God this cuz it really was the music and the animation.

Katie: 00:22:52

It's very well done.

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So we finally get happy music.

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Thank you Disney.

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So now we have Amos who has a broken leg.

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By stepping in his own barbaric traps, which serves him right.

Katie: 00:23:04

Again.

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Thanks Disney.

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That was a nice little payoff there.

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Now he's become friends with the widow, so they used to butt heads because

Katie: 00:23:11

you know, Todd would come on Amos's property and get the dogs riled up.

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They are now friends and the widow is actually helping him heal

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because he's got that broken leg.

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And so we're left with Todd and Vixy overlooking this scene.

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They're together with this beautiful, happy ending.

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It's glorious and it's a beautiful shot too.

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And we even get a, so they're, I didn't really talk about, but there's a

Katie: 00:23:34

b plot with those birds, Dinky and Boomer, they find their fuzzy worm

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that they've been looking for who has now turned into a beautiful butterfly.

Katie: 00:23:43

We then get just the end on screen, no end credits.

Katie: 00:23:51

Is a Disney movie, so there's obviously some morals that we are to glean.

Katie: 00:23:55

There were a lot of strong thematic elements underneath the fox and the hound

Katie: 00:24:00

about how kids will naturally make friends with all kinds because they're innocent.

Katie: 00:24:05

They have to be taught to be hateful or to not like someone who is

Katie: 00:24:08

different from them in some way.

Katie: 00:24:10

It about, um, questioning bigoted rules imposed on them by others and

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trying to overcome that for the sake of what's right, even if that means

Katie: 00:24:20

going against what you were taught.

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We're trained about how beautiful the natural world is and that all beings just

Katie: 00:24:28

wanna live in peace and raise their young without threat from unnecessary harm.

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And how kids see this too at first, but over time, sadly grow desensitized to it.

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I'm sure I missed some.

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Those were just the ones that immediately I thought of.

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What other morals did you glean from this movie?

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Or other Disney movies for that matter?

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Please let me know.

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All right.

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There are some trivia as well, so in order to authentically animate the

Katie: 00:24:58

realistically portrayed animal characters, The Fox and the Hound animators studied

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Walt Disney's Award-winning Live Action Nature Films for reference and an

Katie: 00:25:08

inspiration, I gotta say, it did work.

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It paid off because it seemed very real to me.

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The Fox and the Hound was entrusted to a new team of young Disney artists,

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a veritable who's who of soon to be renowned talents, including Tim Burton.

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Did you guys know that this was actually the final Disney animated

Katie: 00:25:28

feature to simply end with the end Walt Disney Productions credit.

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Um, because all the other credits were actually at the beginning of the movie.

Katie: 00:25:36

Next Disney, an animated feature, the Black Cauldron

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in 1985 was the first one with

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closing

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credits.

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This was Disney's first animated feature to use computer

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graphics, which I didn't know.

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Most of the CGI in this movie is actually shown during the scene where Amos Slade

Katie: 00:25:53

traps Todd and Vickie in the borough.

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So that fire scene, I think is what they're referring to here.

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Now I had mentioned that the release date was the same as

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another Kurt Russell movie.

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Escaped from New York.

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That wasn't the original plan, so the production was delayed

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a year after many of the young animators left to join Dawn Studio.

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I hope that name sounds familiar to you.

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If not, you will know his movies.

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Don Blue Studio is known for the amazing films like The Land Before

Katie: 00:26:24

Time, all Dogs Go to Heaven and Un-American Tale, a K a five story.

Katie: 00:26:31

So, He's stealing all these young animators from Disney,

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and so it's delayed by year.

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It was originally scheduled to be released on Christmas of 1980, and this was also

Katie: 00:26:43

the final animated Disney film to use the old Buena Vista logo at the beginning.

Katie: 00:26:49

The opening logo would be replaced by Walt Disney Productions presents

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with its fantasy Castle logo in all future animated films, so iconic.

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And I guess I was right about thinking that this was set in like the twenties

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or thirties because apparently the car that Amos drives is a 1923 Ford

Katie: 00:27:12

Model T, and while shown to be a bloodhound in the movie, in the book

Katie: 00:27:19

of the same name, copper is said to be a coonhound bloodhound mix.

Katie: 00:27:26

Interesting.

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Now, as I said, I have two bloodhounds and they have insane noses.

Katie: 00:27:32

Many even have super impressive careers assisting law enforcement

Katie: 00:27:36

in search and rescue efforts.

Katie: 00:27:39

Mine are not these dogs.

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Okay.

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Ramble and Baba are good at chasing the backyard squirrels, barking at

Katie: 00:27:45

passing cars, stealing food from the counter and lounging around.

Katie: 00:27:49

They're literally sleeping on my bed right now, so, Fox in the hound.

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You guys gotta re-watch it.

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It's so good.

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It really is sad, but so good.

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It's, it ends happily.

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Okay, now are you ready for some M T V?

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Not quite a month later in the summer of 1981 and M T V was born

Katie: 00:28:13

August 1st, 1981, to be specific.

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And then I was born exactly one week later.

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Just yesterday it seems.

Katie: 00:28:25

Okay, so it debuts in the US at 12:01 AM with, I'm sure you guys know, the

Katie: 00:28:32

Bugles song video killed the radio star.

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At first, the format was Simply VJ's, which was like a new term,

Katie: 00:28:41

introducing videos and bantering about music news between clips.

Katie: 00:28:45

So after an initial splash, the networks actually struggled because

Katie: 00:28:48

at that time, The reservoir of videos to pull from was pretty shallow,

Katie: 00:28:54

so there was a ton of repetition.

Katie: 00:28:56

Who wants that?

Katie: 00:28:57

So they then expanded their programming to include rhythm and blues artists,

Katie: 00:29:02

and then the network really took off.

Katie: 00:29:04

So, We have singles like Billie Jean and beat it from Michael Jackson's

Katie: 00:29:10

thriller album in 1982 that not only showcased the strengths of the

Katie: 00:29:15

music video format, but proved that exposure on M T V could actually

Katie: 00:29:20

propel an artist to super stardom.

Katie: 00:29:24

And it did.

Katie: 00:29:25

This brought success to newcomers like Madonna.

Katie: 00:29:30

New Wave Icon and New Wave icons.

Katie: 00:29:33

Duran Duran, who made the visual elements of the video

Katie: 00:29:36

just as important as the music.

Katie: 00:29:39

It also gave renewed life to veteran performers like ZZ Top Who, side Note,

Katie: 00:29:44

do you guys remember their videos?

Katie: 00:29:46

They all had a similar field to them, but I specifically remember the The

Katie: 00:29:52

silly, oh, so eighties Legs, video.

Katie: 00:29:55

Classic.

Katie: 00:29:56

So in addition to ZZ Top, we have Tina Turner and Peter Gabriel, each of whom

Katie: 00:29:59

scored huge hits of their careers.

Katie: 00:30:01

Their biggest hits actually in, of their careers, thanks to, heavy

Katie: 00:30:05

rotation of their videos on M T V.

Katie: 00:30:08

So by the mid eighties, M T V had produced noticeable effects on movies,

Katie: 00:30:14

commercials, and television, and it changed the music industry looking good.

Katie: 00:30:21

Or at least looking interesting on MTV became just as important as sounding

Katie: 00:30:25

good in terms of selling records.

Katie: 00:30:28

By 1985, videos were packaged into discrete blocks based on genre.

Katie: 00:30:35

This gave rise to specialty shows like 120 minutes, which was for.

Katie: 00:30:39

Alternative rock head bangers, ball for Heavy Metal and yo MTV raps for hip hop.

Katie: 00:30:46

And then before long game shows, reality shows, animated cartoons, soap operas

Katie: 00:30:52

began to appear in the MTV lineup and the network shifted its focus from

Katie: 00:30:56

music to youth-oriented pop culture.

Katie: 00:31:00

By the mid nineties, the majority of MTV scheduled was devoted to programming that

Katie: 00:31:06

was not actually related to music at all.

Katie: 00:31:11

Its sister station.

Katie: 00:31:14

VH1 had been broadcasting adult-oriented rock videos since 1985, and it soon

Katie: 00:31:19

filled the vacuum with original content such as popup video and the

Katie: 00:31:23

documentary series behind the music.

Katie: 00:31:25

Oh, okay.

Katie: 00:31:25

Maybe I'll have to do a segment on, uh, VH1 in a future episode.

Katie: 00:31:29

Kind of forgot about it.

Katie: 00:31:30

Okay.

Katie: 00:31:31

So then MTV Networks launched MTV two in 1996 with the intention of recapturing.

Katie: 00:31:38

The spirit that was originally embodied by their, I want my M T V ad campaign

Katie: 00:31:44

in the 1980s, but it too soon shifted to genre specific programs and by 2005,

Katie: 00:31:50

M T V had followed the same course as its parent network with the bulk of its

Katie: 00:31:55

schedule consisting of reality shows.

Katie: 00:31:58

Celebrity coverage and comedies.

Katie: 00:32:00

What a bummer.

Katie: 00:32:01

Right?

Katie: 00:32:03

I think we should go back to the memories of the good old days of M T V.

Katie: 00:32:07

Let's talk about that for a second.

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VJs.

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They were like the coolest.

Katie: 00:32:14

To be an mtv vj.

Katie: 00:32:16

The ones that I vividly recall are Martha Quinn.

Katie: 00:32:19

These are like the originals, probably the OGs of MTV v Jing, so Martha

Katie: 00:32:25

Quinn, downtown Julie Brown Kennedy, just single word, one name person.

Katie: 00:32:31

Kennedy Simon Rex and Kurt Loder, or maybe Kurt was.

Katie: 00:32:37

I dunno if he was a VJ or if there was a news segment, but I remember him.

Katie: 00:32:41

Who do you guys most remember?

Katie: 00:32:43

Let's see, we have shows then some shows that I specifically remember.

Katie: 00:32:47

MTV Unplugged huge especially.

Katie: 00:32:51

For those of you who might not be familiar, this is

Katie: 00:32:53

like the live acoustic show.

Katie: 00:32:55

Bands and groups and, artists would come on and it would be just like an acoustic

Katie: 00:32:59

version of whatever their jam was.

Katie: 00:33:02

I very much remember the Nirvana one, and I think that like made

Katie: 00:33:05

them super, super superstars.

Katie: 00:33:07

Okay.

Katie: 00:33:08

Remote control please.

Katie: 00:33:10

Someone tell me that you remember this.

Katie: 00:33:11

It was a game show set up like a basement.

Katie: 00:33:15

Oh God.

Katie: 00:33:16

I thought it was so cool.

Katie: 00:33:17

And like the contestants were in recliners that were placed in front

Katie: 00:33:20

of these breakaway walls through which they would be unmercifully

Katie: 00:33:23

pulled when they were eliminated.

Katie: 00:33:27

This was the first non-musical program on mtv.

Katie: 00:33:32

But I'll allow it.

Katie: 00:33:33

The cast included Colin Quinn, Adam Sandler, and Dennis Leary.

Katie: 00:33:39

Who are these guys?

Katie: 00:33:40

Never heard of 'em.

Katie: 00:33:41

And then, okay, we had, there was a computer game, there was a computer

Katie: 00:33:45

version for our Commodore 64.

Katie: 00:33:48

We had this computer trivia game version of remote control

Katie: 00:33:52

on that eight inch floppy disc.

Katie: 00:33:54

Who else remembers this show?

Katie: 00:33:55

Anyone else have the computer game?

Katie: 00:33:57

Oh God, I wanna play that right now.

Katie: 00:33:59

It sounds so fun.

Katie: 00:34:00

Ugh.

Katie: 00:34:00

The eighties.

Katie: 00:34:02

So then a little bit later, I think this might have been in the nineties, but

Katie: 00:34:06

Bevis and Butthead was super lowbrow, yet hilarious animated show from Mike

Katie: 00:34:12

Judge about these like slacker dudes it was really ridiculous, but somehow

Katie: 00:34:17

we all thought it was hilarious.

Katie: 00:34:19

Or just what about just like waiting for your favorite videos to come on

Katie: 00:34:24

with the little, like in the lower left hand corner, it showed all the details

Katie: 00:34:27

about it and that was your Google, like that's how you learned about stuff.

Katie: 00:34:32

And I don't know, maybe you even caught it just in time to tape it with your vcr.

Katie: 00:34:38

Did anybody do that?

Katie: 00:34:40

All right, so now the ever debated best videos list.

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This can be a hot topic, , but this is something that can't be debated.

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The most played videos, the top eight, number eight, most played

Katie: 00:34:53

Addicted to Love by Robert Palmer.

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I just remember there was Addicted to Love and then was his other one.

Katie: 00:35:00

You guys will have to, uh, jog my memory, but he had another song, maybe

Katie: 00:35:04

all of them, but I remember Addicted to Love, and then another song where

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the video's basically the same.

Katie: 00:35:09

He's singing in a microphone.

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And then all those, dark haired girls with, dramatic makeup and

Katie: 00:35:14

their hair pulled up into a bun.

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Playing guitar, like they all looked the same.

Katie: 00:35:19

You guys remember this, right?

Katie: 00:35:21

Addicted to Love Robert Palmer.

Katie: 00:35:22

What was the other one?

Katie: 00:35:24

Anyway, sabotage by the Beastie Boys was the number seven most played guns N

Katie: 00:35:29

Roses with sweet child of mine was number six and number five most played was walk

Katie: 00:35:37

this Way by Aerosmith and run D M C.

Katie: 00:35:40

That was huge.

Katie: 00:35:42

I mean, this crossover.

Katie: 00:35:44

The video literally was like breaking down walls.

Katie: 00:35:47

Do you guys remember this video?

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This was, um, like a big deal at the time, and I think it

Katie: 00:35:52

probably restarted the career of Aerosmith for the eighties anyway.

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Great.

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Anyway, number four is sledgehammer.

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Number three, smells like Teen Spirit Nirvana.

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Do you guys any guesses for number two and number one?

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Number two is Madonna Vogue.

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And you're right, Michael Jackson's thriller is the

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number one most played video.

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Did I miss any of your favorites?

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I bet you it's in the top 500 at least.

Katie: 00:36:27

Apparently, M T V made a top 500 list in the late nineties.

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I'm not gonna list all 500 those for you.

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We can look it up to make sure that your favorite is in there.

Katie: 00:36:39

I will.

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However, I mean it is, they're pretty awesome.

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I, I had a hard time.

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I was gonna just list the top 10, but then I, I was like,

Katie: 00:36:48

no, there's really good ones.

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And the top 20 in the top 25.

Katie: 00:36:50

So I ended up cutting this off at 33.

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Please bear with me, or if you want to, you can skip past this, but I'm going

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to now talk about according to M T V.

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These are the top 33, and the rank order is actually only slightly

Katie: 00:37:08

different from that of the most played.

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You'll recognize them.

Katie: 00:37:14

Now.

Katie: 00:37:14

Here it's a different number one, it's not Michael Jackson's thriller.

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Anybody guess.

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Anybody?

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Anybody.

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Whoever.

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Nirvana smells like Teen Spirit is the winner.

Katie: 00:37:25

That is the number one according to mtv.

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And then, Thriller is number two.

Katie: 00:37:32

November rain is number three.

Katie: 00:37:34

Oh my God, you guys, this video was like 12 minutes long.

Katie: 00:37:39

It is so good.

Katie: 00:37:42

I love it.

Katie: 00:37:43

That's probably one of my favorites.

Katie: 00:37:44

November rain, then Madonna's Vogue is four under the bridge

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by the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

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Just Anthony Keis running with no shirt on.

Katie: 00:37:54

Glorious Peter Gabriel Sledgehammer, boys to men.

Katie: 00:37:57

I'll make love to use Number seven.

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Then Halen's jump, number eight.

Katie: 00:38:03

Number nine is Alanis Morris.

Katie: 00:38:04

That's ironic.

Katie: 00:38:06

And rounding out 10 is another Madonna, like a Virgin.

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Madonna was maybe like the queen of videos.

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She, they're so good.

Katie: 00:38:16

Aerosmith's Janie's got a gun.

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It's number 11.

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Money for Nothing by Dire Straits is number 12.

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I actually can't.

Katie: 00:38:24

Picture this one, 13 is Whitney Houston's.

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I Will Always Love You.

Katie: 00:38:29

Classic Jeremy by Pearl Jam is number 14.

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Another Michael Jackson with Billie Jean as number 15, 16

Katie: 00:38:37

is U two s with or without you.

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Then we have Metallica's Enter Sandman.

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Then Puff Daddy with Faith Evans.

Katie: 00:38:45

I'll be missing.

Katie: 00:38:46

You loved that one.

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Duran Duran's Hungry.

Katie: 00:38:49

Like a wolf is 19.

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And then number 20.

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Dr.

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Dres nothing but a G thing.

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21.

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Losing My Religion by R E M I can God.

Katie: 00:39:00

That was quite a video.

Katie: 00:39:01

Crazy good video.

Katie: 00:39:03

And then as I mentioned, legs by ZZ Top earlier.

Katie: 00:39:05

That's number 22.

Katie: 00:39:07

Nine Inch Nails closer.

Katie: 00:39:10

Is it closer or closer?

Katie: 00:39:12

Actually don't know.

Katie: 00:39:12

I'm not a nine inch nails person.

Katie: 00:39:14

Somebody let me know another Madonna one at number 24 with like a prayer.

Katie: 00:39:21

you guys, this video, it might be one of my favorites.

Katie: 00:39:26

It was so like taboo at the time.

Katie: 00:39:29

Like people were calling for the boycott of her because it was

Katie: 00:39:33

like, um, like blasphemous somehow.

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I don't know.

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It's a, it's a music video.

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I thought it was really good.

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Really good.

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And she has brown hair in it, right?

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That's like a prayer.

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Yeah.

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My thing of the right one.

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Yeah, like a prayer.

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So good.

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Then on this list, run D M C with Aerosmith Walk.

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This way is actually number 25.

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It was number five on the previous list.

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Julio's Gangsters.

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Paradise is number 26.

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Police every breath you take at 27 deaf leopard.

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Pour some sugar on me is 28.

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Mariah Carey, with Boys to Men, one Sweet Day, 30 in excess.

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I need you tonight.

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Beastie Boys is number 31 on this list.

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It was listed much, closer to number one in a previous list, but Sabotage is 31.

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Bruce Springsteen's dancing in the Dark at 32 and TLC's waterfalls so good at 33, so

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that's why I had to go all the way to 33.

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You guys, don't you miss mtv when they actually played videos?

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I actually think you can buy that by the way.

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In like CD form the MTV's top 500.

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I only listed 33 of them, but I, it's probably a pretty sweet package.

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Maybe I should do that.

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To recap, we've talked MTV and we've talked 1981, sweet, innocent little

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animated movie, all on the same podcast.

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How about that?

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The Fox and the Hound is even cuter than I remembered, and I I thought it was

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super well done in all the right ways.

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The animation, the music, the voice cast, the heartwarming story.

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Please give it a re-watch and let me know what you think, and while

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you're at it, share your MTV memories.

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How fun.

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Comment on YouTube, Facebook, or email.

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Also, have you guys been to the Retro Made website yet?

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Head on over to Retro Made dot Captivate fm, the links in the show

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notes, check out the show notes.

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Why would I wanna do that?

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You might ask, well, you can share episodes with other

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nostalgia loving friends.

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You can rate the show on Pod Chaser.

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So at the very top of the website, which is the I M D B of podcasts,

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this is especially helpful for non-Apple users like myself, I'm not

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an Apple user and just like I want my mtv, I want my ratings and reviews.

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If you're in especially generous mood, you can even support the show

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with a tip if you are so inclined.

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And again, all of this is, uh, available on the website.

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Links are in the show notes.

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And while I do want my original M T V, those days are long gone, unfortunately.

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So I guess we have to return to the present day.