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Episode 40

Father Hood | S1E40

Today, we are going to travel back to August 1993 for the adventure comedy-drama, Father Hood (two words). And as always, we’ll do a pop culture rewind to get in the 90s frame of mind.

I’m excited to have returning guest, Lizzy, back from the Retro Movie Roundtable podcast here with me today. Lizzy is a mother of 3 and movie lover - particularly thrillers and comedy! Check her out:

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Katie:

Hello.

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I'm Katie and welcome to retro

made your pop culture rewind today.

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We're going to go back to August of 1993

for the adventure comedy drama fatherhood,

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and that's two words fatherhood.

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And as always, we'll do a little

pop culture rewind to get in

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the nineties frame of mind.

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And I'm very excited to have returning

guest Lizzy with me back for From

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the Retro Movie Roundtable podcast.

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She is a mother of three and

a movie lover, particularly

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thrillers and comedy, Lizzie.

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Thank you so much for joining me again.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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Thanks so much for having me.

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You have such a great memory.

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Yes.

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I love it.

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Katie: Oh, listeners,

this is so fatherhood.

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We have this and then one more

movie after this to complete.

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Season one.

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And then I'll do a little

retrospective before we head on.

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to season two, which will be as a

little hint, John Hughes movies.

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So that's something to look forward

to coming soon in season two.

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But first let's open the time capsule

for August of:

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already cover the TV for this period.

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So this would be the 9394

season for prime time.

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And we covered what those were.

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In the tombstone episode, cause

that came out in December.

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So go back and listen to

the tombstone episode.

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If you have not already, or if you

want the memories from TV at that time.

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But since we do the specific week,

when we're talking about music,

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top billboards, this is different.

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It's very 1993, in my opinion Lizzie,

the first one, number one song

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for this week, August 27th, 1993.

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Can't Help Falling in Love by UB40.

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Do you remember that one?

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Lizzy Haynes: Okay.

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Hold on.

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Can't help.

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The first thing that I thought of when

you said can't help falling in love

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with Alicia Keys is like, no, no, no.

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That's 10 years

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Katie: Yeah, that's way later.

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So it's got that, that islandy vibe.

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh

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okay.

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Did they did if they did their own

version of, of the Elvis Presley

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Katie: yes, yes, Yes.

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Lizzy Haynes: Exactly what

you're talking about now.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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It's

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Katie: I forgot.

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That would have been a better hint.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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Yes.

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I know exactly what you're talking about.

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100%.

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Yes.

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Katie: Well, I didn't know

that it apparently was from the

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movie Sliver, that Sharon Stone,

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Lizzy Haynes: Ooh.

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Katie: Baldwin thriller,

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but I guess.

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I guess it was.

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Oh my God, this is so junior high for me.

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There it is by Tag Team

is the number two song.

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Lizzy Haynes: So much.

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Yeah.

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Every now and again, you'll hear

that in a commercial and it's just

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a huge throwback, but that was like,

you're exactly like middle school.

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The cheerleaders would do those dances

where like everything, there's like

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a big mashup of a bunch of different

songs, those very nineties to do that.

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And whoop, there it is,

was always on there.

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Like you could always guarantee

that there's going to be a whoop.

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There it is.

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Katie: it is.

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a terrible song.

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Like it's it's awful.

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I don't know.

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I don't, I think, I think that's

probably a one hit wonder, or maybe

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they have one other song, but the next

one, number three, huge at this time.

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Dream Lover by Mariah Carey.

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This was like her time, right?

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Lizzy Haynes: You're my destiny,

uh huh, huh, yes, yes, very much.

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I, she, this was like her honey era.

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I think that

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was, that, this was Mariah

Carey in her prime, like

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100%, like the Tommy

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Mottolo days.

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That

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Katie: Yeah.

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Like her hair, like the curly,

tight, curly hair, still like

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very like natural looking sort of,

you know, different Mariah Carey

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than we have now.

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Lizzy Haynes: I agree with That

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Katie: Now I was,

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never like I know of Jodeci and I even,

you know, I like R& B, but I don't know.

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I've never been like really into

Jodeci and I looked up the song

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and I wasn't familiar with it.

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The number four song is Lately.

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Lizzy Haynes: Mm, that

does not ring a bell for

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me,

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mm mm,

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Katie: I bet, you know, the number

five song by soul asylum, runaway

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train with that video of all the

lost kids, like the runaways.

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh, my gosh

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Katie: do you know what I'm talking

about their, their music video?

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It was like runaway train, never

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Lizzy Haynes: You're coming

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back.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I know exactly what you're talking about.

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Oh, that's so crazy.

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And then they did It's so funny how

like it's music is so cyclical because

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then maybe 10 years after that I think

ludacris did his own version of that.

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But yes, I remember that one for

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Katie: Did he?

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I don't think I remember that, but I

did, I seem to recall hearing not that

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long ago that they updated, they like re

released that song and updated the video

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with new, Like new missing,

like new kids or I don't know.

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So they're really trying to help find.

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Yeah, that was good.

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And then I think I recall the

next one from Benny and June.

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The proclaimers is the name of the

group and it's number six is I'm

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going to be, but it's that 500 miles,

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes, when I go out.

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Yeah.

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Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Lizzy Haynes: It'll be.

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yeah.

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I know.

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Yes.

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Katie: Yep.

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Yep.

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And it gets, that's,

That's like a, an earworm.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yeah.

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Oh my gosh.

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That's the best way to put it.

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That's one of those songs that

really gets stuck in your head.

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And that's another one that I think has

kind of held up because that they play

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it in commercials every now and again.

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Katie: good point.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what their ethnicity is.

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It doesn't sound American.

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I don't know if they're like

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Irish or something

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Lizzy Haynes: Yeah.

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Something like it very like.

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I can't put my finger.

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I think they're

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like a Scott or if it's an Irish,

but definitely like some kind

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of Like or excuse me, Western

European, Western European,

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but also potentially like

Scandinavian who really

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knows, but it definitely,

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Definitely not American.

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Katie: This was also the era of Janet

Jackson and she has the number seven

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song this week and it's if, and at

first I was like, what song is that?

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So I looked it up and it's, If I were

your girl, the things I'd do to you,

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but I'm not, so I can't, and I won't.

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That one.

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You know?

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Lizzy Haynes: her so much.

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We saw her in concert maybe

six or seven years ago.

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She was doing like a revival tour.

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Oh my gosh.

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And she still got it.

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She was just so much fun.

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And, you know, she closed with the

Rhythm Nation and it was so much fun.

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It was A blast, but , you could tell

she was just having a good time.

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Katie: Oh, good for her.

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I also remember being so jealous of her

abs, and this video is her, you know,

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she's got like a crop shirt on and

her abs she's like the queen of abs.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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Katie: Miss Jackson.

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Lizzy Haynes: Love her.

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Katie: Number eight song is a slam dun

dun uh, let the boys be boys by Onyx.

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I don't re I didn't recall

the artist or the group.

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I guess It's a group.

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There's several of several guys in it.

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Lizzy Haynes: It's like

another sports song.

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You just hear it, hear it at like football

games, basketball games, whatever.

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Katie: And also maybe a one hit wonder.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Maybe they have a following,

but maybe that's the only song I

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know.

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Lizzy Haynes: I don't know.

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I'm not familiar with

anything else that they've

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Katie: Number nine is if I had no loot

by Tony, Tony, Tony, which the, the, the

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name of the song, I didn't, you know, the

song, I have a feeling, do you know what,

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Lizzy Haynes: I know.

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I don't

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I don't know.

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I'd have to hear it.

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I will have friends of mine ask if I know

a song cause I'm so bad at like song names

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or the actual names of

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the artist.

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But once I hear a little bit of the

song, then immediately, like the memory

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gets jogged and we're good to go.

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So I'm, I imagine that this

falls into that category.

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Katie: Same.

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Then we have S-W-V-S-W-V with

weak rounding out the top 10, and

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I'm, I'm sure you know that one.

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I get so weak in the knees

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Lizzy Haynes: yes.

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Guys.

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Katie: yeah.

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh, man.

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Every time.

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Oh, yes.

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Okay.

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Man, this is like a huge

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flashback because I was

only five when all this came

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out.

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I was, I'm an 88 baby,

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so, but I'll, a lot of these carried into

like my middle school and high school

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Katie: Mm-hmm .You make

me feel very old, Lizzie

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh, my gosh.

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Katie: All right.

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Well, news and events from August of 1993.

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Are you, or were you a baseball fan?

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Lizzy Haynes: So unfortunately I, I would

say no, my son, my oldest plays baseball.

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So I feel like now I am, but

I, I couldn't really tell you

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a lot of facts about baseball,

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Katie: Oh, me neither.

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But I just hear, I know certain

names, like people that are famous

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enough to break into regular culture.

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So Reggie Jackson, I'm

sure you've heard of

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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Katie: He apparently is

the 14 time MLB all star

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and he was inducted into the

baseball hall of fame, in August.

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And then the Yankees, he must play

for the Yankees, because they retired

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his uniform number 44 and deemed

August 14th, Reggie Jackson day.

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Yeah, so all of you baseball fans

out there are probably screaming at

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me for not knowing these things, but

oh, my gosh, do you remember the,

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the I remember the movie more so than

hearing about this and in on the news,

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because I was like 12 at the time.

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So.

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Rwandan Hutus and Tutsis sign a

peace treaty in Arusha, Tanzania.

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I remember watching is it Hotel Rwanda is

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how I learned about this conflict.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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I had no idea about, about that

conflict until I saw that movie.

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It

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was like, I felt so ignorant being

like, I had no idea that there

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was a conflict there or anything.

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And I mean, granted I was, you know,

I was really young and as were you,

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you know, when you're a child, like

you're just not abreast to that kind of

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stuff.

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But I remember

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watching Hotel Rwanda and then

finding out that all of that was real.

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It was wild.

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Katie: It is wild.

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So that happened.

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I mean, thankfully this is happy news.

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They signed a peace

treaty in August of 93.

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So it was in Tanzania, in Arusha.

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And I've actually been

to Arusha, Tanzania.

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So.

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I would, I would like to go back.

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Also I didn't realize Ruth Bader

Ginsburg was sworn in as a U.

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S.

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Supreme Court Justice.

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In 93.

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh, my

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Katie: I guess that was 31 years ago, but

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I guess that I thought

it was like before then

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Lizzy Haynes: I imagine so too.

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I think it's because 30 years is a

great, is an amazing career to have in

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any field, but because and absolutely

no shade to her, may she rest in peace.

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But she was really up there in her age.

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So I just imagined that

that was a position that she

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had held for a lot longer.

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Um, but you know, it's nice to

know when she did it, you know,

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she did a lot

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for women.

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Katie: indeed.

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Yeah.

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Like she's, she's like iconic for women.

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In the women's rights world.

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Ruth Ginsberg.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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Katie: I like the Notorious rBG, like

instead of the Biggie t shirt, it's Ruth

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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Katie: Ginsburg.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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One of my friends gifted my daughter

Conley with this like little book.

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It's like ABCs of really special

women that have, you know, been

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super impactful for women's history.

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And so of course, like the R is,

is Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but that's

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the only one she's ever memorized.

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I think it's just because it's

such like a whimsical sounding

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name, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

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It just kind of rolls right

off your tongue a little bit.

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So we, we love her in this house.

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Katie: As do I.

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And what?

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a cool book for your

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daughter.

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I didn't realize that Mattel and Fisher

Price merged, but they did at this time.

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Lizzy Haynes: You know what?

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I guess I never thought about that.

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That's true.

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Cause Mattel is just like the Barbies.

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Like whenever you think of Mattel,

like the two of versus super

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synonymous, but then Fisher price

was more of like, when I think of it

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now, I think of like toddler toys,

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Katie: Mm

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Lizzy Haynes: um, but it makes complete

sense that they would, that they

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would merge together, just, you know,

being in the same vertical market.

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Katie: Mm hmm.

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Actress Kim Basinger.

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Alec Baldwin

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at this time, they

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were like a power Hollywood

couple, weren't they?

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Lizzy Haynes: lasted a while, didn't they?

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Katie: Until 2002 is when they divorced.

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Lizzy Haynes: Not quite

as long as I thought.

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I thought maybe they lasted a

little bit longer than that,

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Katie: it's for Hollywood

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Lizzy Haynes: for Hollywood.

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for Hollywood.

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Yes.

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You're right.

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Katie: Death.

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I usually talk about some

deaths, unfortunately.

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And I didn't realize.

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I didn't really know who this

person was, but Charles Scorsese

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passed away at the age of 80.

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And Yes.

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he is Martin's father.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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Okay.

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Katie: And he, I guess he

was also an actor, but.

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And he had very small roles in a ton

of very famous movies, for example,

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Cape Fear, Goodfellas, and Wise Guys,

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Lizzy Haynes: Okay.

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Katie: usually Very small bit

parts, but he was in quite a

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few movies, Charles Scorsese.

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Lizzy Haynes: Wow.

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Very cool.

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Katie: Now, Fatherhood.

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Did not top the box office at this time.

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But a few movies that did.

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This is so 93.

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The Fugitive,

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh my goodness.

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Yes.

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Katie: Rising Sun, Free Willy.

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Oh I loved that movie.

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh my gosh, I'm actually

really pushing my oldest to watch it.

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He'll be nine in January and I'm like,

you're at the perfect age for Free Willy.

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He just, he hasn't, we haven't just, we

just haven't pulled the trigger on it,

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but we watched the trailer together.

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Oh my gosh.

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That movie is classic.

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Katie: It is if you want to, if you

want to cry, push your kid to watch it.

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Also Jurassic park.

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh my gosh.

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That's another one that I have to mention

because my, middle child, Monroe, he

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is four and I have never met a human

being that is more infatuated with

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Jurassic Park than my four year old son.

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We let him watch it, but we cut through

like the very, very beginning and then

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because that very initial scene is kind

of scary, And then, of course if you

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know, you know, the part with the lawyer

and the that's just a little too much.

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But other than that,

it's really not that bad.

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It's just more suspenseful

and he asks for it every day

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and has for a year and a half.

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He's obsessed.

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He really likes it.

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At this point, I could quote it.

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Katie: Oh my God.

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That's a lot.

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I feel bad for

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you.

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So is he super into dinosaurs generally?

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh my goodness.

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Yes.

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I mean, that's what really got us into it.

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And I was just like, at first I

thought I would show them just

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like a couple of random scenes.

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So it started with bronchiosaurus

scene in the very, very beginning.

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And then it was like, we put our

toe in and then eventually we

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just watched the entire thing.

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And my dad, when we were kids,

cause Jurassic Park was a big

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deal for us when we were kids.

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And my dad put lyrics to the song.

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So then the, it was like, we will

welcome you to Jurassic Park where

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the dinosaurs all play in the dark.

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And so we just started that was

like, our thing in our childhood.

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And so if we passed it down

to like, now, my kids sing it

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and it's literally every day.

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I mean, we.

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We have purchased the entire collection

of Jurassic Park, so we can at least

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volley from movie to movie, but.

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I could really quote them at this point.

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Katie: So that's, that's his Rocky.

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Rocky is my movie.

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like

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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Katie: And Like, all the movies

I can, I know them all very well.

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But every day is a lot.

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But that's cute.

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I like it.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yeah.

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Entire

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movie.

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We don't watch

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like a full movie every day,

to be clear, but we'll, we'll

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just watch like little snippets.

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Like his favorite thing is to ask

for the raptors in the kitchen.

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That's like his, or we'll just fast

forward it to the last 15 minutes

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of the movie and just kind of watch

it while like I brush my teeth.

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Katie: Interesting that

He likes that scene.

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Lizzy Haynes: He really likes

the raptors in the kitchen.

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I think he's too young to understand that

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Katie: it's scary.

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Lizzy Haynes: kind of freaky.

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But I think it's because nobody

actually ends up getting hurt.

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He

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just is focusing on the raptors

just kind of talking with each

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other and running and chasing.

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And I think it's just so cute.

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I don't know, but one of these

days we'll deconstruct it.

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Either he'll appreciate that we leaned

into his love of dinosaurs, or he'll

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talk about it with his therapist.

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One or the other.

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We'll figure, maybe both.

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Katie: Maybe.

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Maybe both.

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There are worse things in the world.

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Lizzy Haynes: That's right.

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Katie: Also Robin Hood Men in

Tights, like the parody version.

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Lizzy Haynes: Love that movie.

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Katie: In the Line of Fire,

Sleepless in Seattle, The Firm,

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Hard Target, and The Secret Garden!

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Those are

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Lizzy Haynes: Secret Garden!

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:

People don't talk about The Firm

enough, but That is that's a good movie.

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It's really, really thrilling.

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:

Oh, my gosh.

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And secret garden is just,

I mean, that's like a.

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1 of those movies I'm just waiting

until my daughter is old enough

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to be able to appreciate it.

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It's just has such a choke hold.

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:

Those are some really it

was a good year for movies.

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:

Katie: It really was, I feel like well, I

say the 80s, but the 90s, like the early

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90s are pretty good early to mid 90s.

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:

They're pretty solid for movies.

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too.

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Speaking of movies, should

we get into a fatherhood?

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Lizzy Haynes: let's do it.

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Katie: All right.

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:

August 27th, 1993.

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It's PG 13, 4.

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9 out of 10 on IMDb, which is probably

one of the lower ones that we've covered

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on RetroMade, which is interesting.

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We'll get to that.

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Director.

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do you know who Daryl Root is?

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Lizzy Haynes: I don't know.

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Katie: Well, you're probably not alone.

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He's South African.

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Um, and he's most known

for South African films.

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:

I guess a very famous one is Yesterday.

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:

It's famous in South

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Africa.

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:

But, He also directed the 1992 movie,

Serafina, with Whoopi Goldberg.

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Lizzy Haynes: Oh, okay.

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Katie: Mm hmm.

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Lizzy Haynes: got a, like a,

he's got some filmography then.

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Katie: He does.

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The writer is Scott Spencer,

who is most known for writing

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the 1981 novel, Endless Love.

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Other than that, not super well known.

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Lizzy Haynes: okay.

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Cool.

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:

That's interesting to know.

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This was a new movie for me.

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And so I, I'm not surprised that the

director and the writers were kind of like

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unknown just because this was a movie.

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I'm a Swayze fan big time.

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So I was actually surprised it wasn't

a movie that I hadn't heard of before.

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Katie: Oh, you've not even heard of it.

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:

Lizzy Haynes: even heard of it.

492

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No, I knew that there was there

recently had been a Kevin Hart movie

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that has come up by the same name.

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So when I started searching, that

was always what came up, but but no,

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I, I never even heard of this one.

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This one flew right under my nose.

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Katie: There have been a few on.

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the show this season that I

think a lot of people are like,

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wow, didn't know about that one.

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This.

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one, I definitely I'm aware

of it and I think I maybe have

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:

seen it or parts of it, but.

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In 1993, so it was like watching it new

again, but I definitely knew of it and

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that it wasn't like 1 of his popular ones.

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The composer his name is Patrick.

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:

Oh, hern.

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And he's not really known for

doing a lot of like movies.

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:

Like some people are known for

composing scores and things like that.

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He's known primarily as the bass

guitarist and keyboardist um, came

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:

to prominence with Frank Zappa and co

founded the early:

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:

missing persons with several other.

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:

Veterans from Zappa's band.

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So that's who he is.

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Lizzy Haynes: Very cool.

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Katie: We do have our Patrick Swayze and

he plays our main character, Jack Charles.

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This is actually the third film where

he played a character named Jack.

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Do you know the other two?

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Lizzy Haynes: Okay, hold on.

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:

Let me think about this.

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Katie: Probably not.

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Lizzy Haynes: I don't think so.

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No, I'm drawing a blank.

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In my mind, I'm like, I'm going

through all of his other characters.

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I'm like, no, no, no,

no, I don't think so.

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:

Katie: Well, they, the other

two are also lesser known Swayze

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movies, Black Dog from 1998,

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Lizzy Haynes: Okay.

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:

I have not heard of that one Either.

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Katie: Three wishes.

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:

from 1995.

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Lizzy Haynes: Three wishes.

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:

Oh my gosh, I haven't heard of that one

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:

either.

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:

Katie: think you're, like, since you have

kids, you should check out Three Wishes.

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:

I think you watch it with your family.

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It's, it's

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:

like a fantasy it's pretty cute.

538

:

I actually, and I don't even like that

kind of a movie, and I don't really

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:

like kid movies, but I did really quite

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:

like Three Wishes.

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So I, I would recommend it to you, Lassim.

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Lizzy Haynes: Okay.

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:

Well, we will give it a shot then.

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:

I love that.

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:

Katie: And then this one, Fatherhood, now,

we, we could cheat and say Johnny Castle

546

:

in Dirty Dancing because isn't Jack a

nickname for John, which is weird in and

547

:

of itself, but that would be cheating.

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Lizzy Haynes: Yes, I think so.

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:

Because, you know, Johnny is like,

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:

I feel like there's John's and

then there's Johnny's, you know, if

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:

that makes sense, kind of in the

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:

Katie: a yes

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:

Lizzy Haynes: there's like a,

there's a Tom and there's a

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Thomas there, there's a certain

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:

Katie: and a Tommy

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:

Lizzy Haynes: and a Tommy

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:

Katie: and they're different.

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Lizzy Haynes: better.

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:

Yes, there's just something to be said

about like, a good like, my dad, for

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:

example, his real name is actually Johnny,

not John Johnny, but his middle name

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:

is Michael and that's what he goes by.

562

:

He's a Michael, like he is not a Johnny.

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:

And

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Katie: a Michael,

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:

Lizzy Haynes: he's a Michael,

566

:

he is a Michael through and through.

567

:

I think that he has an earnestness

to him that just makes him a Michael.

568

:

He's like, loving and

wonderful and such a great dad.

569

:

But I think he has this very just

this kind of serious, at least growing

570

:

up, he had this very serious side of

him where he was just very earnest

571

:

and very logical and pragmatic.

572

:

And I think that that just made him

a Michael, I think to me, a Johnny

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:

feels like a slightly bad boy,

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:

know,

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Kind of like wrong side of the tracks.

576

:

Katie: well, Johnny

Castle from Dirty Dancing.

577

:

I

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:

Lizzy Haynes: that's right.

579

:

And

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If my, my dad was nothing, but

in terms of his moral fiber was

581

:

very much on the right side of

582

:

Katie: Good story.

583

:

That is interesting though,

that his actual name is Johnny.

584

:

Lizzy Haynes: Yes, very rare.

585

:

Yeah,

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:

Katie: Were you surprised to

see a Miss Halle Berry in this?

587

:

Lizzy Haynes: I was shocked.

588

:

I, I did not look at the cast before and

I knew Patrick Sasey was in it, of course.

589

:

And then I saw the, the cover

and it has like his the two

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:

actors that play his children.

591

:

Um, and I recognized her voice

before because the first shot of

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her is actually slightly far away.

593

:

So I, I wasn't able to 100 percent

cause she's such a recognizable.

594

:

Face and she has that very famous

Halle Berry bowl cut that she

595

:

had in the

596

:

Katie: hair, Mm hmm.

597

:

Lizzy Haynes: hair, but

like pixie type of cut.

598

:

But still I was not 100 percent

convinced it was her until she

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opened her mouth like that.

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:

Cause she's also has this very

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:

distinct, she's very soft spoken

and I just, I was very surprised,

602

:

but I was pleasantly surprised.

603

:

I'm a fan.

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:

Katie: Yeah, I didn't.

605

:

Well, so we talked about Halle

Berry in another Retro Made

606

:

episode Executive Decision.

607

:

She's also in that with Kurt Russell.

608

:

Yeah.

609

:

So in this, she plays a woman named

Kathleen Mercer and she's a reporter.

610

:

And it's interesting because

Jack assumes maybe because of

611

:

her name that she is Irish.

612

:

Lizzy Haynes: Yes

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:

Katie: not um, yeah.

614

:

And so to your point about the kids

that are on the cover, there's a, a

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:

girl about age 12 and a boy, I don't

know, maybe seven or eight Kelly and

616

:

Eddie Charles, Kelly is played by

Sabrina Lloyd and she's been in things.

617

:

A lot of TV series, but not ones I've

seen, but once I've heard of numbers,

618

:

Sports Night and sliders.

619

:

So I think those are, you

know, once she grew up, I think

620

:

those were what she's been in.

621

:

And then, did you

recognize who the son was?

622

:

Brian, his name in real

life is Brian Bonsall.

623

:

Lizzy Haynes: Okay.

624

:

No, I didn't recognize him Not

625

:

Katie: Did you watch family ties?

626

:

Cause that's the show he was on.

627

:

He plays the fourth kid.

628

:

Lizzy Haynes: really not religious.

629

:

I'm used to like I've seen

like episodes here and there

630

:

but I was more of a full house

631

:

Katie: Yeah.

632

:

Family ties was, was before your time

633

:

for sure.

634

:

But Yeah,

635

:

so you know how at that time in the

eighties they would You know, after

636

:

a few seasons in the show, like to

boost ratings, they bring in like

637

:

another kid they'd have a baby or

bring in another kid or that baby.

638

:

And last season is now 7 or something.

639

:

Well, family ties did that.

640

:

And his name was Andy on family ties.

641

:

So that's who the, the

kid playing Eddie is.

642

:

Michael Ironside is also in this and

he has almost 300 acting credits.

643

:

he's like one of those guys, including

a Top Gun, Total Recall and Starship

644

:

Troopers, who he plays in fatherhood

is Jack's like partner in crime.

645

:

Would you say Jerry?

646

:

Jerry is his name in the, in the movie.

647

:

I thought he was going to be in it

more based on where he was listed

648

:

in the credits, but he's hardly

649

:

Lizzy Haynes: great no, he's like

it's like a blipping blinking

650

:

you miss him quite literally yes

651

:

Katie: Diane Ladd, not related to Cheryl,

but she does have some famous family.

652

:

Do you know who Diane Ladd is?

653

:

she played Rita, Jack's mother in this.

654

:

Lizzy Haynes: No, but she

looked familiar to me.

655

:

Yes, but no, I wasn't

able to pinpoint her.

656

:

Katie: She's kind of

that old world Hollywood.

657

:

She

658

:

comes from that era.

659

:

She was actually nominated for three

Oscars in:

660

:

Here Anymore, in 1991 for Wild at

Heart, and in:

661

:

She's also known for she was in

Chinatown, very famous movie, and she

662

:

plays Nora Griswold, the grandma, one

of the grandmas in Christmas Vacation.

663

:

Lizzy Haynes: gosh.

664

:

Oh my gosh.

665

:

That's crazy.

666

:

I, that's really funny.

667

:

I never put two and two together.

668

:

Okay.

669

:

Well then obviously I've seen

enough of her to at least

670

:

understand why she looks familiar.

671

:

Oh,

672

:

Katie: is also Laura Dern's mother.

673

:

She was married to Bruce Dern.

674

:

Lizzy Haynes: Jurassic Park.

675

:

Katie: Yes.

676

:

Yeah.

677

:

Good point.

678

:

Good point.

679

:

And, you know, according to the

internet, she's the cousin of the

680

:

playwright, Tennessee Williams.

681

:

she's,

682

:

got lots of famous

683

:

Lizzy Haynes: It's connected.

684

:

Yeah, she's, it's got connections.

685

:

Katie: A couple other people in

the cast, we have Bob Gunton, who

686

:

plays this guy named Lazaro, and he

is like the director of this shady

687

:

foster care, like home for children.

688

:

Did he look familiar to you?

689

:

Lizzy Haynes: Yes, he's in a, like

A silly, scary movie that I, that my

690

:

husband and I love called Dead Silence.

691

:

it's,

692

:

Katie: I've not seen that.

693

:

Lizzy Haynes: it's if you are not into

horror movies, then it's not for you.

694

:

Because it's not Yeah, it's not a

high it's not even that it's scary.

695

:

It's just incredibly campy.

696

:

Katie: Oh, well, I kind of like that.

697

:

That's kind of fun sometimes.

698

:

Lizzy Haynes: you know, some,

some people like the camp.

699

:

Some people hate it.

700

:

It's just honestly, it's just personal

preference, but they're definitely scary.

701

:

Like Donnie Wahlberg's in it.

702

:

It's just like a silly.

703

:

Uh, movie that

704

:

has this like lore of this this

ventriloquist and the main protagonist

705

:

goes to ask his dad for help and his

dad is played by Lazaro and he has

706

:

this also very distinctive voice.

707

:

He's so much younger

because this movie was.

708

:

Probably came out in 2012,

13, 14, something like

709

:

that.

710

:

So, so seeing him a lot

younger was, was very cool.

711

:

Katie: I bet nobody knows that name.

712

:

Bob Gunton, the actor's name.

713

:

I mean, if you do, you're like a really

big movie person perhaps, but he is

714

:

most known for playing The prison

warden, in Shawshank Redemption.

715

:

And

716

:

Lizzy Haynes: but you're so right.

717

:

The second that you said warden, it all

clicked for me because you are so right.

718

:

I can hear him right now asking

for his books to be cooked.

719

:

Like that.

720

:

Yes.

721

:

Oh my gosh.

722

:

With Andy Dufresne that I

never put two and two together.

723

:

That's brilliant.

724

:

I love that.

725

:

Katie: We also get Adrianne Barbeau.

726

:

I also thought she was going to

be in this longer or for more, but

727

:

she was in like one quick scene.

728

:

She plays Celeste, a psychic reader,

which That scene was strange in

729

:

and of itself, like it didn't

need to be in the movie at all.

730

:

Like I didn't, I don't know why

it was there to give Adrianne

731

:

Barbeau a part, maybe, I don't

732

:

Lizzy Haynes: That happened a lot.

733

:

I think where there was, I

was like, where's this going?

734

:

And then it just didn't

end up going anywhere.

735

:

So I think that that was just perhaps

something that they wanted to put

736

:

in there, but never brought it home.

737

:

Katie: Mm hmm.

738

:

Yeah, you're right.

739

:

There were several instances

of that which we will get into.

740

:

But Adrienne Barbeau, we did talk

about her because she was in Escape

741

:

from New York with Kurt 1981.

742

:

Lizzy Haynes: Nice.

743

:

Katie: Mm hmm.

744

:

And then we get a young Josh Lucas.

745

:

The boy that Kelly likes,

746

:

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

747

:

Oh my gosh.

748

:

That is so crazy.

749

:

I didn't put two and two

together with that one.

750

:

That's wild.

751

:

I'm going to have to go back and

look at that one scene because

752

:

it is, he's in it for a second.

753

:

Katie: well, she has a picture of him

754

:

earlier in the movie.

755

:

And then he's in one scene in new

Orleans when she meets up and, and he's

756

:

like, Oh, I was just trying to be nice.

757

:

She's anyway, I knew he was in this.

758

:

So I was looking for him.

759

:

And so.

760

:

When we see a picture of him,

I'm like, Oh, that's Josh Lucas.

761

:

Yeah.

762

:

And he has a distinct voice as well.

763

:

Lizzy Haynes: very much so.

764

:

Yes, yes.

765

:

He's in some of my favorites.

766

:

Katie: Mm hmm.

767

:

Same.

768

:

This movie did not win any awards.

769

:

And I couldn't find what the

budget was but it grossed 3.

770

:

4 million.

771

:

So not a

772

:

hit,

773

:

Lizzy Haynes: Yeah,

774

:

Katie: say.

775

:

Oh, I forgot to tell you all because

I have a feeling a lot of you have

776

:

not seen this or if it's been 30

years, fatherhood is the adventures

777

:

of a deadbeat dad who kidnaps his kids

from the bus based on the true life

778

:

stories and experiences of Michael J.

779

:

Hardy.

780

:

It's kind of fun to know it was

based on like a real person.

781

:

Lizzy Haynes: wild.

782

:

Yes, it's really crazy.

783

:

Katie: what did you so

you'd not seen this movie.

784

:

What, did you have any

expectations going into it?

785

:

Did you like, how did it live up?

786

:

What, what do you think overall?

787

:

Lizzy Haynes: So I, as I said

before, I'm a Patrick Swayze

788

:

fan, so it's really, really hard.

789

:

For you to put a movie in front of me

where I'm getting 90 solid minutes of

790

:

Patrick Swayze and be mad about it.

791

:

Katie: Mm hmm.

792

:

Lizzy Haynes: he has this what's

the word that he's just so vivacious

793

:

and just his personality just

like bursts out of his pores.

794

:

It's just, there's something about

him that is so magnanimous that

795

:

like he just has this X factor.

796

:

That it almost doesn't really matter

what he's doing or what he's saying.

797

:

He's saying it with such conviction

and doing it with such conviction

798

:

that it just like I'm connected.

799

:

So I, that being said, I

mean, it's really hard.

800

:

I don't think that you could ever give

me a Patrick Swayze movie that I'm going

801

:

to look at and be like, this is trash.

802

:

Cause I just, I'm going to have

fun watching him be Patrick Swayze.

803

:

I think that being said.

804

:

The best way that I can describe this

movie is I think, I think this movie

805

:

had an idea of what it wanted to be.

806

:

And then unfortunately just

wasn't really able to get there.

807

:

It's like they had kind of the way

that I felt when the movie was over

808

:

is if my husband Aaron were to take

me out to a really, really fancy

809

:

restaurant And then I were to order

like a ribeye steak, but then be told

810

:

that it doesn't come with any sides

and then they just serve me my steak.

811

:

And I'd be like, but I

need, this isn't a meal.

812

:

I need a meal.

813

:

This isn't enough.

814

:

I'm going to need some palm frites

or maybe a salad just like something.

815

:

So I feel like this is a completed

meal, not just an entree.

816

:

And I think that is kind of how I

felt about this movie a little bit.

817

:

It felt like.

818

:

It really had big ideas of where it

wanted to go, but it ended up taking

819

:

kind of these little kind of sub

plots of what it wanted to be and

820

:

they didn't marry them together with

enough substance to make me feel like I

821

:

really understood what I just watched.

822

:

Yeah.

823

:

Katie: is like a very

brilliant analogy about.

824

:

The, the steak, but no sides.

825

:

It's not a

826

:

complete meal and like ideas

and it didn't fully get baked

827

:

to use yet another food analogy.

828

:

Yeah, that very well put.

829

:

I don't think I could find words better.

830

:

I felt like it was, you know,

it was very predictable.

831

:

You knew exactly,

832

:

you know, when he, he's annoyed by his

kids and he, they're super annoying him.

833

:

And then don't quit

calling me your father.

834

:

I'm not your father.

835

:

Don't call me that.

836

:

And it's a road trip movie.

837

:

So, you know, you're like, okay,

by the end of this, they're going

838

:

to have bonded and yada, yada.

839

:

But you know,

840

:

He, he ultimately becomes like a lovable

dad and we knew that was going to happen.

841

:

But yeah, I guess I still

found it enjoyable enough.

842

:

I mean, partly to your

point about Patrick Swayze.

843

:

I think everybody does a good job in it.

844

:

I don't, you

845

:

know, I think everybody

was, it was well acted.

846

:

But there were just some

things missing, I think,

847

:

Lizzy Haynes: I think

848

:

Katie: in fatherhood.

849

:

Lizzy Haynes: there's

850

:

Katie: Mm

851

:

Lizzy Haynes: in a rom com.

852

:

I feel like there's a really great formula

in In any kind of like any romantic

853

:

comedy where it's and of course there's

all different like sub Plots that can

854

:

happen in a romantic comedy, but kind

of like the most common one is you

855

:

have two people that like, don't really

like each other and then eventually

856

:

they end up falling, you know, at the

end of the movie, they fall in love.

857

:

In the middle of the movie, there always

has to be that moment when the switch

858

:

flips, where you watch they have an

encounter with each other that allows them

859

:

to see each other in a different light.

860

:

And then from then on, you're

watching their wheels slowly

861

:

turn and realize wait, this might

actually be somebody that not only.

862

:

Can I tolerate them, but

I actually like them.

863

:

And now I feel like I love them.

864

:

And there's even if it's a

very short movie, I think that

865

:

part potentially was lacking.

866

:

It felt like the switch got flipped

without us really being able

867

:

to watch that, watch it happen.

868

:

I think that I was like, Patrick

Swayze kind of went from.

869

:

You know, just like screaming at the

kids and, you know, fighting on the

870

:

payphone and letting the car drive

off and then eventually, you know,

871

:

just only a few moments, a few scenes

later after the final kind of big.

872

:

Shoot out, and he ends up, you know, he

has this kind of crisis of conscience

873

:

of not wanting to take it too far

because of the children's presence.

874

:

And then he's in court crying

about how much he loves his kids.

875

:

And I feel like in my mind, I'm

like, I don't you're gonna I feel

876

:

like the dots weren't connected.

877

:

Quite enough for me.

878

:

I think if they had been, I

think that the movie would have

879

:

felt more like that gold meal.

880

:

I think that that's perhaps,

cause the acting was fantastic.

881

:

Not just from Patrick Swayze, but from

the kids, like the kids were really able

882

:

to emote, which is hard for anybody,

but especially like little kids that,

883

:

you know, for them to be able to take

direction like that and Halle Berry,

884

:

you can tell she's, Really, she feels

very passionately that there's a story

885

:

there and that she has the ability

to affect change for this family.

886

:

And I mean, it's all like,

it's really all there.

887

:

I think that there's just this tweak

in writing a little bit of maybe if

888

:

you just added like 1 moment A great

example would have been when she goes

889

:

and meets up with her, her with Josh

Lucas's character, and they have that

890

:

little encounter and he walks up and says.

891

:

Something to the effect of like, do you

want me to beat this guy up for you?

892

:

And I had thought, okay, this

is the direction that this

893

:

movie is going in right now.

894

:

They're going to have.

895

:

Like an Uncle Buck moment.

896

:

That's

897

:

Katie: Mm

898

:

Lizzy Haynes: Where it's going

to be like the, the bug and

899

:

the golf club with John Candy.

900

:

And it's going to, then that is going

to bond them of this guy's going

901

:

to turn out to be a gigantic jerk.

902

:

And Patrick Swayze is going to, you know,

do something to, to scare him straight.

903

:

And they're going to bond over that.

904

:

And then maybe something small is

going to happen with the little boy.

905

:

And I just think that.

906

:

Had that been added in there, I

think that that switch, when he got

907

:

into the courtroom, probably would

have tracked a little bit more.

908

:

Mm

909

:

Katie: That's a good point.

910

:

So, I think, We were supposed to

see it gradually a little bit, but

911

:

I like your idea of the switch.

912

:

And I did think there were 2 small

instances of it, but maybe, maybe it

913

:

did need to be a little more to your

point about he witnesses his daughter.

914

:

You know, it's her first crush and, you

know, her heart's broken a little bit

915

:

and we see, you know, he, he recognizes

that and feels for her and does

916

:

kind of try and be fatherly for her.

917

:

That was his little moment with her and

with the kid or the boy, you know, the

918

:

boys, but he's like, can we please, can

we please, I want to go to, what was it?

919

:

Hoover Dam.

920

:

I

921

:

really want to go to the like,

he keeps bugging him about doing

922

:

stuff and he's and Patrick's faces

characters very annoyed the whole time.

923

:

And then later when they're

driving the boat that they

924

:

stowed away in and then the boat.

925

:

Got launched into the water and he

steals the boat and now they're, they're

926

:

driving the boat and the kid asks if

he can steer and Jack, his initial

927

:

immediate response, knee jerk responses,

928

:

you know, yell at him or tell

him no, but he stops himself.

929

:

Lizzy Haynes: That's true.

930

:

You're right.

931

:

Katie: says, he says, yeah, sure.

932

:

Go ahead.

933

:

You know,

934

:

whatever he says, but so he, there

were a few small moments, but I agree.

935

:

it.

936

:

could have been flushed

out a little bit more.

937

:

And then the book ends at

the beginning and the end

938

:

Lizzy Haynes: Mm hmm.

939

:

Katie: well executed, in my opinion.

940

:

Well, firstly, okay, listener, so we

open with, the kids and Halle Berry.

941

:

We don't know who they are yet

waiting outside of a prison.

942

:

It's like release day.

943

:

So

944

:

they're waiting for

their guy to be released.

945

:

It's like a voiceover by the

daughter saying it wasn't always

946

:

like this, you know, he used to

be kind of a deadbeat, whatever.

947

:

And Jack comes out looking

smoking those genes in that scene.

948

:

The rest of the movie less so,

because we'll get into his look

949

:

the rest of the movie, but the

beginning and the ending scene

950

:

when he's just in regular jeans.

951

:

And a t shirt and he's got normal hair.

952

:

He looks so good in those jeans.

953

:

Yeah.

954

:

I was like, yes.

955

:

Well, so that, so we, that's like a

very quick, like they, he, They're

956

:

waiting for him, waiting for him.

957

:

He comes out of the prison,

they run to him in this embrace

958

:

and he like swings them around.

959

:

And then it's like a slow

mo cut to two years ago

960

:

and the rest of the movie happens.

961

:

Two years ago leading up to his when

he, you know, he gets arrested and

962

:

put in jail for two years and then

we end the movie with that book.

963

:

And now we're coming full circle

back and it ended very abruptly.

964

:

I thought.

965

:

Lizzy Haynes: Yeah.

966

:

They're just like, it made the,

the hug kind of turn slow motion

967

:

slightly, and then it just

Credits, I was just over, yeah.

968

:

Katie: Yeah.

969

:

No title card with you know,

here's what they went on to do.

970

:

I don't know it.

971

:

I didn't there was that needed

something extra as well.

972

:

I don't I didn't think that was executed.

973

:

Well, but So for the majority

of the movie, it's this road

974

:

trip cross country movie.

975

:

They're on the run from the

police because Patrick Swayze,

976

:

you know, he's like a superhero.

977

:

Petty small time criminal, like very,

you know, the shirts that he wears like

978

:

and he has that like old kind of low

level Vegas mobster look to him with his

979

:

slicked back hair.

980

:

I don't know.

981

:

How would you describe his, his look

for the main portion of the movie?

982

:

Mm Mm

983

:

Lizzy Haynes: me, like every, I feel

like Patrick Swayze is just one of those

984

:

actors where he's played such notable

roles that he almost kind of has that

985

:

who is your Batman kind of role of

what is your version of Patrick Swayze?

986

:

My version is always just

going to be Johnny, like the,

987

:

from, from Dirty Dancing.

988

:

That's just, that was

my first introduction.

989

:

To Patrick Swayze.

990

:

And it's still to this day

is my favorite movie of his.

991

:

So I, it's always going to be mine.

992

:

Similar look and kind of

like on paper together.

993

:

But I think the difference between

Johnny and Jack is that Jack is like

994

:

sloppier, like that's kind of like

the best way to put it is like Johnny

995

:

is like, cause it's like the, the t

shirt and the jeans, like very simple.

996

:

But with Johnny's look, it's.

997

:

You know, he's this guy that is, you

know, a really like good hearted guy.

998

:

That's just kind of trying to

get by in this like group of like

999

:

really upper crust fancy people.

:

00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:39,710

Whereas I think Jack is

like, you can get a feel.

:

00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:44,630

I feel like the best time where I got

a feel of his personality was when

:

00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:49,090

early earlier on in the movie when he

kind of fakes his death by stealing

:

00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:50,240

the car and then driving it off.

:

00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:55,985

And when, um, When his son is crying

because he thinks that, you know, his son

:

00:46:55,985 --> 00:46:57,565

actually thought that that was like real.

:

00:46:57,565 --> 00:47:02,045

And he's like such a grown boy

where he's like, stop crying.

:

00:47:02,045 --> 00:47:03,835

That's the coolest thing I've ever seen.

:

00:47:03,835 --> 00:47:04,662

What are you talking

:

00:47:04,662 --> 00:47:04,818

about?

:

00:47:04,818 --> 00:47:05,358

That's so

:

00:47:05,358 --> 00:47:05,758

neat.

:

00:47:06,288 --> 00:47:12,348

And I, so I just, I think his look

is very like a very on the nose

:

00:47:12,418 --> 00:47:16,768

of Patrick Swayze, but just with

an element of sloppiness, like

:

00:47:16,778 --> 00:47:17,628

that's just kind of the

:

00:47:17,628 --> 00:47:19,178

best way I guess I can describe it.

:

00:47:19,808 --> 00:47:20,808

Katie: I like that.

:

00:47:20,938 --> 00:47:26,618

Yeah, it kind of reminded me of not Johnny

Brasco's look, but the idea of that.

:

00:47:26,628 --> 00:47:33,018

He's like, like a dime store version

of a criminal in Vegas or something.

:

00:47:33,018 --> 00:47:37,813

You know, it's like, It's, it's cheap

and it's clear that he's just kind

:

00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:40,033

of been this hustler his whole life,

:

00:47:40,228 --> 00:47:40,568

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

:

00:47:40,863 --> 00:47:43,853

Katie: you know, and he was, and

we meet his mom and we, we, it's,

:

00:47:43,913 --> 00:47:45,673

you see that it runs in the family.

:

00:47:46,093 --> 00:47:51,513

So I'm going all over the place

with this movie a little bit but we

:

00:47:51,513 --> 00:47:54,903

don't really know what happened,

but he's not been in his kids lives.

:

00:47:55,333 --> 00:47:56,833

Their mother passed away.

:

00:47:57,373 --> 00:48:01,383

And so their words of the state

in this really crappy, abusive I

:

00:48:01,383 --> 00:48:02,823

don't know, what was the name of it?

:

00:48:02,833 --> 00:48:03,823

Something Hall?

:

00:48:04,303 --> 00:48:06,423

It's like a home for kids.

:

00:48:06,538 --> 00:48:07,208

Lizzy Haynes: with a B.

:

00:48:07,218 --> 00:48:07,998

Big, Bigelow,

:

00:48:08,163 --> 00:48:08,593

Katie: Bigelow.

:

00:48:08,593 --> 00:48:08,953

Yeah.

:

00:48:09,308 --> 00:48:09,588

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

:

00:48:10,953 --> 00:48:11,733

Katie: And so

:

00:48:12,483 --> 00:48:16,413

I guess the whole thing is like kind

of unclear where the boy is living.

:

00:48:16,933 --> 00:48:19,223

The girl runs away from Bigelow Hall.

:

00:48:19,433 --> 00:48:24,423

She knows her, you know, Her dad's

like back in town and then they kind

:

00:48:24,423 --> 00:48:29,343

of force him to take them with him

on the road because they start in L.

:

00:48:29,343 --> 00:48:29,403

A.

:

00:48:29,403 --> 00:48:30,803

So we start in L.

:

00:48:30,803 --> 00:48:31,003

A.

:

00:48:31,023 --> 00:48:34,913

And we are supposed to end up in

New Orleans because he's got this

:

00:48:34,953 --> 00:48:41,213

big deal with his like a con man

partner and Jerry for 250, 000.

:

00:48:41,213 --> 00:48:43,023

They're going to steal from a drug dealer.

:

00:48:43,063 --> 00:48:44,203

And that's how we got in trouble.

:

00:48:44,788 --> 00:48:47,478

In the first place that he stole

from a drug dealer, but turns

:

00:48:47,478 --> 00:48:49,538

out it was an undercover cop.

:

00:48:49,818 --> 00:48:50,788

So he's running from the law.

:

00:48:50,788 --> 00:48:56,068

And now they think that he's kidnapped

these kids because a, they're not,

:

00:48:56,648 --> 00:48:58,768

he, he doesn't have custody of them.

:

00:48:59,138 --> 00:49:00,488

B He's a criminal.

:

00:49:00,818 --> 00:49:04,908

And so we, we get all these hijinks

on the, on the road at all of

:

00:49:04,908 --> 00:49:06,468

these different destinations.

:

00:49:06,558 --> 00:49:08,308

And that's, it's kind of fun.

:

00:49:08,308 --> 00:49:10,338

So that's why it's like a comedy.

:

00:49:10,598 --> 00:49:11,788

But it's also a drama.

:

00:49:11,788 --> 00:49:15,508

It's also an adventure

kind of all rolled into 1.

:

00:49:16,008 --> 00:49:20,538

So, you know, they claim that they're,

they put handcuffs on us here and

:

00:49:20,548 --> 00:49:25,148

and Lazaro or Lazaro is

like, that's ridiculous.

:

00:49:25,468 --> 00:49:26,728

But then there's a scene.

:

00:49:27,138 --> 00:49:32,388

Of them out in broad daylight in

public with, like, all the kids

:

00:49:32,388 --> 00:49:33,938

outside of a bus and handcuffs.

:

00:49:33,938 --> 00:49:36,558

I don't know why that really stuck

out to me because I was like they're

:

00:49:36,558 --> 00:49:38,318

not trying to hide it at all.

:

00:49:38,588 --> 00:49:39,058

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

:

00:49:39,118 --> 00:49:39,398

Right.

:

00:49:39,408 --> 00:49:42,308

He's just like openly lying

because he's not even trying

:

00:49:42,308 --> 00:49:43,468

to cover it up at this point.

:

00:49:43,478 --> 00:49:47,428

So then you, it makes you feel

like later, I think, I imagine that

:

00:49:47,428 --> 00:49:53,028

they did that so that later there

was no plausible deniability that

:

00:49:53,038 --> 00:49:56,248

something, cause I think a big part of.

:

00:49:57,573 --> 00:50:02,593

Lazaro's kind of downfall is it starts

with the handcuffs, but what later

:

00:50:02,623 --> 00:50:06,243

the reporter, what Halle Berry's

character reveals is that there's

:

00:50:06,693 --> 00:50:11,673

some kind of like sexual abuse

happening between Kelly and somebody.

:

00:50:11,693 --> 00:50:15,943

And so when he starts denying that, I

think that they do that immediately to

:

00:50:15,943 --> 00:50:17,943

just discredit his character entirely.

:

00:50:17,943 --> 00:50:22,193

So that when those claims start coming

up, it's like, you just know, 100 percent

:

00:50:22,193 --> 00:50:23,983

that whatever he's going to say is.

:

00:50:24,568 --> 00:50:26,128

Like just untrue.

:

00:50:26,138 --> 00:50:28,608

I have to imagine that that's

why that was intentional.

:

00:50:28,858 --> 00:50:29,368

Katie: you're right.

:

00:50:29,368 --> 00:50:33,518

It was for our benefit, but I guess

logistically, I'm like, if you're him,

:

00:50:34,338 --> 00:50:34,538

Why?

:

00:50:34,578 --> 00:50:34,838

Lizzy Haynes: Why?

:

00:50:34,958 --> 00:50:35,918

Katie: so blatantly?

:

00:50:35,928 --> 00:50:38,858

if you're trying to cover up the fact that

:

00:50:38,858 --> 00:50:40,278

your system is corrupt.

:

00:50:40,278 --> 00:50:40,578

Yeah.

:

00:50:43,038 --> 00:50:44,578

Yeah, and it was Yeah.

:

00:50:44,578 --> 00:50:49,068

he's been stealing money, claiming that

they're going on all these field trips

:

00:50:49,068 --> 00:50:50,688

and getting steak dinners and they're not.

:

00:50:50,688 --> 00:50:53,128

So he and his, his people

are just pocketing it.

:

00:50:53,138 --> 00:50:57,638

And how convenient that Halle Berry's

character just so happens to be

:

00:50:58,158 --> 00:51:01,478

working on trying to uncover this.

:

00:51:01,703 --> 00:51:02,003

This

:

00:51:02,193 --> 00:51:06,013

scheme, I was, that was another

thing too, that I, I don't know if

:

00:51:06,363 --> 00:51:10,053

I have higher expectations of movies

now, or if, back in the day, they're

:

00:51:10,053 --> 00:51:11,183

like, it doesn't really matter.

:

00:51:11,183 --> 00:51:12,303

Just just go with it.

:

00:51:12,303 --> 00:51:18,173

But it was very convenient, um, that

his kids are in this foster care system.

:

00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:19,421

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

:

00:51:19,733 --> 00:51:21,273

Katie: calls her because he sees,

:

00:51:21,803 --> 00:51:26,883

a newspaper article written by her that

he doesn't like she exaggerated his

:

00:51:26,883 --> 00:51:28,473

criminality or something like that.

:

00:51:28,473 --> 00:51:30,373

So he starts calling her.

:

00:51:30,913 --> 00:51:31,573

What's her name again?

:

00:51:31,593 --> 00:51:32,373

Kathleen.

:

00:51:32,433 --> 00:51:34,033

She does not look like a Kathleen.

:

00:51:34,583 --> 00:51:40,523

On payphones, mind You at the different

stops, which there's a plot line that

:

00:51:40,613 --> 00:51:42,783

couldn't happen in a modern movie.

:

00:51:43,203 --> 00:51:46,123

And again, like hijink,

things happen because of that.

:

00:51:46,133 --> 00:51:51,898

He's still on the phone when the boat

Leaves the gas station that they're at.

:

00:51:51,898 --> 00:51:56,838

So they, they see a truck with this boat

that happens to have a lower cabin with

:

00:51:56,858 --> 00:51:59,208

food and drinks and a place to sleep.

:

00:51:59,208 --> 00:52:02,798

So they still weigh on that, which

I thought that was cute and fun.

:

00:52:03,018 --> 00:52:08,688

But the kids are in that while he is

making a call and it leaves without him.

:

00:52:10,938 --> 00:52:13,288

So we have to know.

:

00:52:13,948 --> 00:52:19,108

And so we get a pretty action heavy

sequence of him, like on top of the.

:

00:52:19,428 --> 00:52:22,918

Another truck, he convinced somebody

to chase after it on another truck,

:

00:52:23,338 --> 00:52:28,088

and he jumps from that truck back onto

the boat without anybody realizing.

:

00:52:28,498 --> 00:52:30,908

So there's that also.

:

00:52:31,508 --> 00:52:33,028

I really liked the grandma.

:

00:52:33,298 --> 00:52:34,648

I loved meeting her.

:

00:52:35,078 --> 00:52:43,598

In Vegas, old Vegas, old Vegas, and

she's running a scam and then we come

:

00:52:43,598 --> 00:52:47,558

back to her house and realize, you know,

she's got all these disguises and wigs.

:

00:52:47,558 --> 00:52:51,748

And so I, I liked that touch that we're

like, oh, That's why he is who he is

:

00:52:51,788 --> 00:52:53,658

because this is who his mother is.

:

00:52:55,053 --> 00:52:57,393

Lizzy Haynes: She was leaving the kids

with her and she's like, no, no, no.

:

00:52:57,723 --> 00:53:01,523

I actually wish that there would

have been more of a plot for her.

:

00:53:01,523 --> 00:53:03,133

I really liked her role.

:

00:53:03,133 --> 00:53:08,353

And I've kind of, that's originally

what I thought was going to happen.

:

00:53:08,353 --> 00:53:10,573

You know, you kind of wait

for the other shoe to drop.

:

00:53:10,573 --> 00:53:12,373

She's like, this is what

this movie is about.

:

00:53:12,403 --> 00:53:17,683

And and I had, I had that moment

when they met each other of

:

00:53:17,683 --> 00:53:19,863

being like, she's going to maybe.

:

00:53:20,458 --> 00:53:25,098

She's going to teach him how to

be a better dad and in doing so,

:

00:53:25,488 --> 00:53:30,218

you know, she'll also learn how to

maybe be, how, where she could have

:

00:53:30,788 --> 00:53:34,528

potentially been a more present mom

and they'll all have this like great,

:

00:53:34,528 --> 00:53:36,198

like generational bonding experience.

:

00:53:36,198 --> 00:53:40,658

And I, I kind of wish that that would

have been there, but that's just my

:

00:53:40,658 --> 00:53:43,858

own selfish desire, but to just see

more of her because I liked her.

:

00:53:44,513 --> 00:53:46,183

Katie: It was a fun character.

:

00:53:46,213 --> 00:53:47,003

I agree.

:

00:53:47,063 --> 00:53:51,803

There was a perfect opportunity

for that exactly what you

:

00:53:51,803 --> 00:53:54,563

wanted to happen at the end.

:

00:53:54,863 --> 00:53:55,623

Lizzy Haynes: Yes, I agree.

:

00:53:55,863 --> 00:54:00,223

Yeah, to have her be there when like

you could have been a surprise to where

:

00:54:00,223 --> 00:54:05,423

like you only saw the kids and the

first sequence and then the very end

:

00:54:05,473 --> 00:54:09,483

just have her kind of just like off to

the side you just be like out of the

:

00:54:09,483 --> 00:54:12,603

initial shot, but then when they pan

out, you realize she's there and it's

:

00:54:12,603 --> 00:54:15,283

a whole family affair or something

that would have been really cute.

:

00:54:16,083 --> 00:54:19,403

Katie: Yeah, because she clearly wasn't

probably the best mother to Jack.

:

00:54:19,423 --> 00:54:25,083

And so, yeah, like this

experience and Well, I was almost

:

00:54:25,083 --> 00:54:27,213

screaming at the TV at the end.

:

00:54:27,223 --> 00:54:30,753

So again, listeners, this

is how I roll on Retromade.

:

00:54:30,763 --> 00:54:32,553

I'm all over the place with this episode.

:

00:54:32,963 --> 00:54:33,503

Doesn't matter.

:

00:54:33,503 --> 00:54:34,523

You probably haven't seen it.

:

00:54:35,113 --> 00:54:36,013

Watch it though.

:

00:54:36,043 --> 00:54:40,093

I think, I think you'll be happy

that you watched it, but okay.

:

00:54:40,093 --> 00:54:45,183

So at the end of their road trip and he

has to face up, you know, face the music.

:

00:54:45,193 --> 00:54:46,353

He's in court.

:

00:54:46,433 --> 00:54:51,933

He finally meets Kathleen who he's

only had some phone conversations with.

:

00:54:53,313 --> 00:54:56,423

Finally meets her and he's

like, Oh, you're not Irish.

:

00:54:56,423 --> 00:55:00,003

And she's like, no he assumed that

and she just never corrected him.

:

00:55:01,053 --> 00:55:07,173

Then he has this tearful speech about how

he never wanted to be their dad, but now

:

00:55:07,173 --> 00:55:08,773

he doesn't want anything more than that.

:

00:55:08,773 --> 00:55:10,503

And he loves them, et cetera, et cetera.

:

00:55:10,553 --> 00:55:15,763

Well, he's also in doing so, you

know, he has incriminated this

:

00:55:15,783 --> 00:55:20,763

Bigelow Hall and the corruption

scheme with Lazaro that the kids are

:

00:55:20,763 --> 00:55:23,293

being abused, et cetera, et cetera.

:

00:55:24,403 --> 00:55:25,533

So this has all come out.

:

00:55:25,543 --> 00:55:29,393

Now he's led away in cuffs

because he has to serve this.

:

00:55:29,423 --> 00:55:33,203

There was a deal made

to your sentence, right?

:

00:55:34,013 --> 00:55:37,913

And he says to Kathleen, who again,

he's talked to on the phone a few times.

:

00:55:39,168 --> 00:55:42,558

I need you to, you know, watch out for

the kids, you know, look in after them.

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00:55:42,558 --> 00:55:43,428

I'm from time to time.

:

00:55:43,428 --> 00:55:46,758

And then we're like, oh, she, she

must have, I guess, because she

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00:55:46,758 --> 00:55:48,818

was at, you know, 2 years later,

:

00:55:48,818 --> 00:55:52,108

she's there with them to,

to see him come out of jail.

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00:55:52,498 --> 00:55:54,908

So we could have also gotten.

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00:55:55,018 --> 00:55:55,418

Okay.

:

00:55:55,418 --> 00:55:55,708

So.

:

00:55:55,993 --> 00:55:59,353

They're in a relationship now is sort

of what we could have gotten as well.

:

00:55:59,353 --> 00:55:59,713

Like

:

00:56:00,323 --> 00:56:04,573

over this two years, she's come to visit,

you know, we, they could have kissed

:

00:56:04,573 --> 00:56:05,993

and they're a whole big, happy family.

:

00:56:05,993 --> 00:56:08,353

Now that could have, but, you

know, that could have been cheesy.

:

00:56:08,413 --> 00:56:09,183

But where I'm going?

:

00:56:09,183 --> 00:56:10,623

with this is.

:

00:56:11,098 --> 00:56:12,328

Their mother Is dead.

:

00:56:12,418 --> 00:56:14,308

They've been in foster

care this whole time.

:

00:56:15,188 --> 00:56:16,718

What's happening to the kids for these two

:

00:56:16,793 --> 00:56:17,883

Lizzy Haynes: Where are they going?

:

00:56:17,893 --> 00:56:18,163

Right.

:

00:56:18,163 --> 00:56:20,613

Is she, is Kathleen like

their new surrogate mother?

:

00:56:20,653 --> 00:56:21,663

What is happening?

:

00:56:21,673 --> 00:56:24,033

They're never, they never talk about it.

:

00:56:24,383 --> 00:56:29,303

You could have, all it would have really

taken would have been like a, for the,

:

00:56:29,653 --> 00:56:36,253

his mother to show up at, in court and to

just make a comment of being like, come

:

00:56:36,253 --> 00:56:39,563

on kids, you're going to come home with

grandma, like just something like that.

:

00:56:39,953 --> 00:56:43,223

And then it would have totally

filled that hole and then give

:

00:56:43,353 --> 00:56:45,413

given reason for her to be.

:

00:56:45,948 --> 00:56:49,938

At the, at the prison for

the day of his release.

:

00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:53,568

So yes, I, I feel like that was

a major of all of these poor

:

00:56:53,568 --> 00:56:55,668

children have been through so much

:

00:56:56,038 --> 00:56:56,398

Katie: It's like,

:

00:56:56,398 --> 00:56:58,588

well, they can't go back

to that shitty foster place

:

00:56:58,588 --> 00:56:58,828

Like,

:

00:56:59,308 --> 00:57:00,208

or what else?

:

00:57:00,238 --> 00:57:03,018

Yeah, it's, that was just that drop.

:

00:57:03,048 --> 00:57:04,608

They just completely dropped that.

:

00:57:04,608 --> 00:57:04,968

yes,

:

00:57:05,028 --> 00:57:06,108

it, it could have that.

:

00:57:06,138 --> 00:57:10,008

That's exactly where the grandma

should have, could have come in

:

00:57:10,098 --> 00:57:11,328

and then it would've made sense.

:

00:57:11,358 --> 00:57:14,748

'cause he says to Kathleen,

Halle Berry, he doesn't say.

:

00:57:14,818 --> 00:57:18,238

I mean, it would have been crazy

for her to take on these kids.

:

00:57:19,248 --> 00:57:20,808

She doesn't even know them

:

00:57:21,088 --> 00:57:22,978

Lizzy Haynes: no, no, not at all.

:

00:57:23,098 --> 00:57:23,928

They've never even met.

:

00:57:24,398 --> 00:57:24,928

Katie: Yeah,

:

00:57:25,268 --> 00:57:28,778

they, he does say, well, you know,

look in after them from time to time.

:

00:57:28,778 --> 00:57:29,428

And she says she will.

:

00:57:29,428 --> 00:57:30,458

So that makes sense.

:

00:57:30,868 --> 00:57:33,978

So that tells us as the

audience, she's not.

:

00:57:34,553 --> 00:57:35,613

Taking custody of them.

:

00:57:35,613 --> 00:57:38,923

So he's let off in handcuffs and

the kids are just like sitting like,

:

00:57:39,153 --> 00:57:40,293

yo, where are these kids going?

:

00:57:40,463 --> 00:57:41,903

Grandma needs to come.

:

00:57:42,403 --> 00:57:42,983

I don't know.

:

00:57:43,063 --> 00:57:45,723

I, I really, for some reason,

had a problem with that.

:

00:57:45,723 --> 00:57:49,533

I, they, they really left

us hanging with that.

:

00:57:49,893 --> 00:57:52,103

Lizzy Haynes: yes, yeah, they really did.

:

00:57:52,103 --> 00:57:54,093

I think that that was the end up.

:

00:57:54,103 --> 00:57:56,493

They had a lot of opportunity there.

:

00:57:56,503 --> 00:58:00,273

I think really because I mean, the

reality is, is that we can always just

:

00:58:00,273 --> 00:58:02,913

suspend or disbelief in movies like this.

:

00:58:02,923 --> 00:58:06,833

So, it's ultimately not a huge deal,

but they missed a really awesome

:

00:58:06,833 --> 00:58:12,673

opportunity to kind of fuel the

human interest side of the story and

:

00:58:12,673 --> 00:58:14,123

just make you because ultimately.

:

00:58:15,378 --> 00:58:19,568

This was meant to be, I think,

like a heartwarming movie.

:

00:58:19,948 --> 00:58:25,558

There's obviously the car chases

and the, you know, the big exciting

:

00:58:25,558 --> 00:58:29,058

moments and the shootouts and all the

things that there's but at the end of

:

00:58:29,058 --> 00:58:32,233

the day, like it's really supposed to

be about him having a transformation

:

00:58:32,233 --> 00:58:33,828

and like a real change of heart.

:

00:58:33,848 --> 00:58:36,018

So like they had, they had

a really awesome opportunity

:

00:58:36,018 --> 00:58:36,998

that they missed out on.

:

00:58:37,953 --> 00:58:41,853

Katie: It could have been a family

version of film and Louise, but it

:

00:58:42,148 --> 00:58:42,298

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

:

00:58:42,913 --> 00:58:47,783

Katie: Speaking of the road trip

aspect of this, though, what did you

:

00:58:47,783 --> 00:58:52,033

think of all of the scenery and the

different locales that they shot?

:

00:58:52,053 --> 00:58:53,883

Did you take note of any of them?

:

00:58:54,383 --> 00:58:54,843

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

:

00:58:54,863 --> 00:58:57,683

So old Vegas was definitely one of them.

:

00:58:57,763 --> 00:59:01,443

I have been over on the old

Vegas side, but not at night.

:

00:59:01,493 --> 00:59:04,783

That's something like I wish that

I've been to old Vegas during the day.

:

00:59:05,363 --> 00:59:10,983

Um, but then of course, like new Orleans,

I feel like they went to these places

:

00:59:11,023 --> 00:59:16,323

that felt like they didn't need a set or

anything, you know, it's just like the,

:

00:59:16,703 --> 00:59:20,933

the made up as Vegas, new Orleans, places

like that, they just have like personality

:

00:59:21,043 --> 00:59:21,513

Katie: Mm hmm.

:

00:59:21,743 --> 00:59:22,153

Lizzy Haynes: themselves.

:

00:59:22,723 --> 00:59:27,458

Um, So yeah, I mean definitely,

I think that they chose the right

:

00:59:27,548 --> 00:59:32,118

places to just have a lot of noise

and a lot of background fun for sure.

:

00:59:33,353 --> 00:59:34,133

Katie: I kept noting.

:

00:59:34,143 --> 00:59:35,753

It was really beautiful.

:

00:59:35,763 --> 00:59:36,803

So we start in L.

:

00:59:36,803 --> 00:59:37,183

A.

:

00:59:37,183 --> 00:59:38,663

Then we're in the desert.

:

00:59:38,713 --> 00:59:41,203

There's a police chase in the desert.

:

00:59:41,203 --> 00:59:42,723

Then we're at the Hoover Dam,

:

00:59:43,283 --> 00:59:45,353

then we're in Texas for a while.

:

00:59:45,373 --> 00:59:46,513

Then we're in New Orleans.

:

00:59:47,533 --> 00:59:50,913

We see, you know, like this boat

ride through and it's very swampy.

:

00:59:50,913 --> 00:59:53,423

It's like very New Orleans,

very like Louisiana

:

00:59:53,463 --> 00:59:53,753

esque.

:

00:59:54,553 --> 00:59:57,013

Uh, and they actually, those places.

:

00:59:57,443 --> 00:59:57,793

Yeah.

:

00:59:57,973 --> 01:00:00,003

To your point about them,

they are characters.

:

01:00:00,878 --> 01:00:03,918

In and of themselves, it's like,

oh, obviously that's Vegas.

:

01:00:03,958 --> 01:00:05,838

Oh, obviously That's the desert.

:

01:00:05,938 --> 01:00:06,408

You know,

:

01:00:07,008 --> 01:00:10,978

we can see their, their progression

of where they are very clearly the

:

01:00:10,978 --> 01:00:15,858

French quarter in, in New Orleans

and they actually shot there,

:

01:00:15,878 --> 01:00:17,438

which I appreciate they don't

:

01:00:17,438 --> 01:00:17,728

do.

:

01:00:17,748 --> 01:00:23,288

It seems like they don't do that kind of

thing anymore, but in:

:

01:00:23,288 --> 01:00:26,148

went to all of those locations and shot

:

01:00:26,408 --> 01:00:26,858

there

:

01:00:27,093 --> 01:00:27,963

Lizzy Haynes: That's super cool.

:

01:00:27,973 --> 01:00:28,353

I love that.

:

01:00:28,353 --> 01:00:30,693

That makes it so much more fun.

:

01:00:30,703 --> 01:00:34,843

And can you imagine when you really

pinpoint all those places on a map?

:

01:00:35,213 --> 01:00:37,083

Like, how long this road trip was?

:

01:00:37,084 --> 01:00:39,383

Can you imagine?

:

01:00:39,983 --> 01:00:41,013

It's wild.

:

01:00:42,668 --> 01:00:45,618

Katie: you ever, did you grow

up with cassette tapes, Lizzie,

:

01:00:45,978 --> 01:00:46,108

or

:

01:00:46,163 --> 01:00:48,763

Lizzy Haynes: yes, yes, definitely.

:

01:00:50,368 --> 01:00:53,748

Katie: I took, I took, note of

the cassette tape that he, he

:

01:00:53,748 --> 01:00:55,408

keeps, there's one cassette that.

:

01:00:55,408 --> 01:00:56,878

he must be his jam

:

01:00:57,378 --> 01:00:59,998

and he keeps taking it out and

putting it, like he takes it with

:

01:00:59,998 --> 01:01:02,898

him and then he's like really upset.

:

01:01:03,313 --> 01:01:08,203

One time when it, like the tape

comes out and he uses his pinky, he

:

01:01:08,203 --> 01:01:09,293

uses his pinky,

:

01:01:09,343 --> 01:01:10,053

Lizzy Haynes: I remember that.

:

01:01:10,053 --> 01:01:10,483

Wow.

:

01:01:10,833 --> 01:01:11,273

Katie: Do you?

:

01:01:11,413 --> 01:01:13,173

I thought maybe you

were too young for that.

:

01:01:13,373 --> 01:01:15,683

Lizzy Haynes: No, I remember

when it CDs first came out

:

01:01:15,703 --> 01:01:17,673

and they were like a big deal.

:

01:01:17,683 --> 01:01:19,993

Like it was like this whole new thing.

:

01:01:20,003 --> 01:01:21,403

And then you, cause I, I.

:

01:01:21,823 --> 01:01:23,203

Had a Walkman for a

:

01:01:23,203 --> 01:01:24,573

while, which of course was the

:

01:01:24,573 --> 01:01:24,963

tapes.

:

01:01:24,983 --> 01:01:26,703

And then you move on to the CD players.

:

01:01:26,733 --> 01:01:28,363

But I remember tapes.

:

01:01:28,363 --> 01:01:32,743

Well, ironically, the way that I

remember tapes more than anything

:

01:01:32,743 --> 01:01:37,683

where books on tape, that was like

the big thing where this this might've

:

01:01:37,683 --> 01:01:44,208

just been like a Midwestern But

you're familiar with Cracker Barrel,

:

01:01:44,458 --> 01:01:45,018

right?

:

01:01:45,098 --> 01:01:45,728

Okay, okay.

:

01:01:45,768 --> 01:01:46,718

So we would, that would

:

01:01:46,738 --> 01:01:48,528

be like a huge thing

that my family would do.

:

01:01:48,538 --> 01:01:52,948

We would go to Cracker Barrel and they

might still have them I've been to

:

01:01:52,948 --> 01:01:57,238

one within the last few years where

they still have those big stores

:

01:01:57,788 --> 01:01:58,168

in the

:

01:01:58,173 --> 01:01:58,873

Katie: They do?

:

01:01:59,248 --> 01:01:59,628

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

:

01:01:59,648 --> 01:02:01,588

Where it's like, it's like toys.

:

01:02:02,658 --> 01:02:06,648

I mean, we take our kids probably like

once every six months, we'll take one.

:

01:02:06,648 --> 01:02:08,278

There's like only 20 minutes away from us.

:

01:02:08,728 --> 01:02:11,548

And it, but it is like maddening.

:

01:02:11,568 --> 01:02:14,348

Like you literally have to be

like, okay, when we walk in the

:

01:02:14,348 --> 01:02:16,358

store, we're not touching anything.

:

01:02:16,388 --> 01:02:20,428

But anyway, we would, as kids, we

did have a huge selection of books

:

01:02:20,428 --> 01:02:21,928

on tape and that was a huge thing.

:

01:02:21,928 --> 01:02:24,008

When we'd go out, cause we

were a road trip family.

:

01:02:24,008 --> 01:02:24,168

So

:

01:02:24,168 --> 01:02:24,498

we would.

:

01:02:25,073 --> 01:02:27,953

Several books on tape and then listen

to them in the car as we drove.

:

01:02:27,954 --> 01:02:29,523

Yeah,

:

01:02:29,603 --> 01:02:30,103

Katie: that.

:

01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:32,013

That's a great family activity.

:

01:02:32,383 --> 01:02:32,923

Lizzy Haynes: for sure.

:

01:02:33,853 --> 01:02:36,583

Katie: I remember listening

Like uh, I don't know if it

:

01:02:36,583 --> 01:02:39,083

was the Sunday, Casey Kasem's

:

01:02:39,093 --> 01:02:41,583

the, you could write letters in.

:

01:02:41,583 --> 01:02:42,593

What was that called?

:

01:02:42,603 --> 01:02:46,393

Lizzy Haynes: his, his top, he

was like the, I always remember

:

01:02:46,393 --> 01:02:47,953

him as he had this radio station.

:

01:02:47,953 --> 01:02:52,543

It was like his top, like

the top hits of the time.

:

01:02:52,553 --> 01:02:57,993

Yeah, and then I know he had kind of like

a, didn't he have a Dear Abby adjacent

:

01:02:58,253 --> 01:02:58,923

show?

:

01:02:59,048 --> 01:03:02,568

Katie: in that show, like between

songs, like he would, and it was always

:

01:03:02,568 --> 01:03:04,818

like these long, very like heartfelt.

:

01:03:05,188 --> 01:03:07,378

He's like, and this one's for you, Johnny.

:

01:03:08,798 --> 01:03:09,848

But you know, whatever.

:

01:03:09,858 --> 01:03:10,128

Yeah,

:

01:03:10,268 --> 01:03:12,378

Lizzy Haynes: Talk about a notable voice.

:

01:03:12,378 --> 01:03:12,598

I mean,

:

01:03:12,648 --> 01:03:13,118

Katie: Mm.

:

01:03:13,508 --> 01:03:14,058

Mm hmm.

:

01:03:14,468 --> 01:03:18,668

Lizzy Haynes: I remember, I mean, my,

my first introduction to him was shaggy,

:

01:03:18,708 --> 01:03:23,088

but then remembering like later that

my mom would listen to him on the

:

01:03:23,088 --> 01:03:27,268

radio and just like falling in love

with how interesting his voice was.

:

01:03:28,738 --> 01:03:30,078

Katie: Extremely.

:

01:03:30,543 --> 01:03:33,963

He may be one of the, you know,

he's probably in the top 10 or 20

:

01:03:33,973 --> 01:03:36,433

of most, most recognizable voices.

:

01:03:36,443 --> 01:03:36,883

Agreed.

:

01:03:38,378 --> 01:03:40,188

Lizzy Haynes: Oh my gosh, that's

such a blast from the past.

:

01:03:40,188 --> 01:03:40,718

I love it.

:

01:03:40,943 --> 01:03:41,633

Katie: Right?

:

01:03:42,533 --> 01:03:46,783

I wondered, it makes sense after I

watched the movie, but going into it,

:

01:03:46,783 --> 01:03:49,553

I was like, why is fatherhood 2 words?

:

01:03:50,438 --> 01:03:50,598

Lizzy Haynes: Yeah.

:

01:03:51,288 --> 01:03:52,318

Katie: Do you know why?

:

01:03:52,623 --> 01:03:53,993

Lizzy Haynes: I have no idea.

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01:03:54,013 --> 01:03:59,283

I, I tried my, my first initial guess

was just this idea of I mean, you

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01:03:59,893 --> 01:04:03,893

thinking of this idea of he's, like,

from maybe the wrong side of the tracks

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01:04:03,893 --> 01:04:07,133

of they're trying to because, you know,

that, that was kind of more slang in

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01:04:07,133 --> 01:04:09,083

the 90s of saying we're in the hood.

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01:04:09,493 --> 01:04:12,053

But I think potentially

there's, there's that.

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01:04:12,563 --> 01:04:16,168

I know that it's,

Potentially jargon with cars.

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01:04:16,168 --> 01:04:18,708

And I was like, I, why, why is it exactly?

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01:04:18,738 --> 01:04:21,228

But I never quite put my finger on it.

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01:04:21,398 --> 01:04:22,348

Katie: No, you're exactly right.

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01:04:22,348 --> 01:04:23,538

It's a play on words.

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01:04:23,918 --> 01:04:31,008

The paternal phrase, fatherhood,

father, and then hood, being, referring

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01:04:31,008 --> 01:04:34,598

to like criminal, gangster, mobster

of some sort, , represented by Jack.

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01:04:35,158 --> 01:04:37,778

So he's A father, but he's a hoodlum

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01:04:38,208 --> 01:04:38,748

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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01:04:38,798 --> 01:04:39,298

Yes.

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01:04:39,508 --> 01:04:39,888

Yes.

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01:04:39,888 --> 01:04:43,468

That's what I imagined as much because

that that was a big word in the

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01:04:43,468 --> 01:04:47,378

nineties of you, you know, you were,

that was like the way that you describe

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01:04:47,378 --> 01:04:50,618

like certain, like neighborhoods

as being like, this is the hood.

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01:04:52,523 --> 01:04:54,278

No,

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01:04:54,598 --> 01:04:54,978

Katie: Yeah.

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01:04:55,238 --> 01:04:58,718

Very nineties, very nineties,

So yeah, that's why fatherhood

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01:04:59,698 --> 01:05:01,278

is two words, everyone.

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01:05:01,778 --> 01:05:05,848

I have not seen this movie either,

but the next year in:

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01:05:05,848 --> 01:05:08,468

very similar movie was released.

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01:05:09,018 --> 01:05:13,818

It's called getting even with dad

with Ted Danson and Macaulay Culkin.

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01:05:14,408 --> 01:05:15,278

Have you seen that?

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01:05:15,863 --> 01:05:16,333

Lizzy Haynes: haven't.

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01:05:16,723 --> 01:05:20,093

Katie: That tends to happen in Hollywood

quite a bit, but they both revolve

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01:05:20,093 --> 01:05:24,303

around kind of either a crook or a

deadbeat dad where the mother has passed

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01:05:24,303 --> 01:05:28,803

away, you know, and then they're the

kids are like left and in his care.

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01:05:28,923 --> 01:05:30,933

So back to back years.

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01:05:32,243 --> 01:05:32,683

Lizzy Haynes: Nice.

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01:05:33,023 --> 01:05:36,773

You know, when I think of a

movie that did this, but did it

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01:05:36,773 --> 01:05:38,833

perfectly, I think of Big Daddy.

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01:05:39,223 --> 01:05:43,943

That's the movie that really like

rings so true to me with Adam Sandler.

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01:05:44,153 --> 01:05:46,263

Katie: Yes, good point.

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01:05:46,393 --> 01:05:51,053

Lizzy Haynes: in my mind, because I

see a lot of parallels between, because

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01:05:51,053 --> 01:05:57,403

it's like I The, you know, deadbeat

guy, he's, you know, he every single

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01:05:57,403 --> 01:06:00,953

time that his that he wets the bed, he

just puts newspaper on and he's just

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01:06:00,953 --> 01:06:04,013

like a huge, just like burnout and it's.

:

01:06:04,413 --> 01:06:07,693

You know, of course there's there's

twists and turns and things like that,

:

01:06:07,693 --> 01:06:11,443

but but then his love interest is the

lawyer that's involved in all of it.

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01:06:11,443 --> 01:06:14,043

So there's kind of a lot

of different parallels.

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01:06:14,043 --> 01:06:15,573

It feels kind of like.

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01:06:16,703 --> 01:06:22,053

Fatherhood crawled so that big daddy

could, could run it in my mind.

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01:06:22,413 --> 01:06:23,383

Katie: I like that.

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01:06:23,413 --> 01:06:24,523

And Big Daddy is good.

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01:06:24,523 --> 01:06:27,673

Yeah, it yeah, they a

better executed version.

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01:06:28,313 --> 01:06:28,603

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

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01:06:28,603 --> 01:06:31,113

Cause that, that one's really,

really heartwarming, but yet you

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01:06:31,113 --> 01:06:34,863

have he's not a criminal, but he's

not, he's also not a good guy.

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01:06:35,263 --> 01:06:36,913

Katie: He doesn't have his life together.

:

01:06:37,453 --> 01:06:40,013

Lizzy Haynes: like there

he, I'll never forget.

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01:06:40,553 --> 01:06:43,103

It was like one of the funniest things

I had seen at that point when it

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01:06:43,103 --> 01:06:48,183

came out is he goes, he gets excited

because he's never been up and awake.

:

01:06:48,673 --> 01:06:49,663

Before 11 a.

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01:06:49,663 --> 01:06:49,983

m.

:

01:06:50,003 --> 01:06:52,693

And he's like, we, we have to go

to McDonald's and he just that's

:

01:06:52,693 --> 01:06:55,433

a complete meltdown McDonald's.

:

01:06:55,893 --> 01:06:57,823

Katie: our breakfast ends at:

:

01:06:58,573 --> 01:06:58,693

Since

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01:06:59,373 --> 01:06:59,543

when?

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01:07:02,123 --> 01:07:04,443

Lizzy Haynes: So that's

a great, great movie.

:

01:07:04,443 --> 01:07:08,013

I think that that does kind

of have a similar formula.

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01:07:08,058 --> 01:07:10,488

It's

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01:07:11,233 --> 01:07:11,593

Katie: Is that?

:

01:07:13,268 --> 01:07:15,148

Lizzy Haynes: I wipe my

own ass, I wipe my own ass.

:

01:07:15,648 --> 01:07:16,558

Oh my God.

:

01:07:17,508 --> 01:07:17,778

And

:

01:07:17,873 --> 01:07:18,803

it's different as

:

01:07:18,803 --> 01:07:19,883

well after having kids.

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01:07:19,883 --> 01:07:20,573

Oh my gosh.

:

01:07:23,328 --> 01:07:25,808

Katie: I'm not a car

person, but I did know.

:

01:07:26,183 --> 01:07:30,203

His car was very particular in this movie.

:

01:07:30,633 --> 01:07:36,113

I didn't know what it was, but so

the car that Jack Charles drives for

:

01:07:36,153 --> 01:07:39,213

the most part of the movie, there's

other cars, they steal cars and stuff.

:

01:07:39,573 --> 01:07:45,663

It was a:

Fleetwood Eldorado convertible.

:

01:07:46,113 --> 01:07:46,433

Lizzy Haynes: Wow.

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01:07:46,763 --> 01:07:47,803

Katie: yeah.

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01:07:49,143 --> 01:07:52,213

So if there are any car people

out there, is that a big deal?

:

01:07:52,213 --> 01:07:52,673

I don't know.

:

01:07:53,183 --> 01:07:57,053

Lizzy Haynes: I think anything

Cadillac, I especially, I think

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01:07:57,083 --> 01:08:03,253

now like in:

think hold at least I personally

:

01:08:03,253 --> 01:08:03,463

don't

:

01:08:03,463 --> 01:08:04,143

feel they hold the

:

01:08:04,153 --> 01:08:07,223

same amount of clout,

but there was a time.

:

01:08:07,688 --> 01:08:13,448

Where Cadillac was like, you would even

say this is the Cadillac of you'd be like

:

01:08:13,538 --> 01:08:14,468

Katie: mm.

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01:08:14,603 --> 01:08:17,383

Lizzy Haynes: like a filet mignon

is like the Cadillac of steaks

:

01:08:17,383 --> 01:08:18,502

or like something like that.

:

01:08:18,502 --> 01:08:21,582

You would always kind

of, um, I'm a foodie.

:

01:08:21,582 --> 01:08:24,752

So, as you can see, all roads lead

back to food and I'm trying to make

:

01:08:24,752 --> 01:08:28,723

an analogy, but that was a really

common phrase, I think, for a while.

:

01:08:28,743 --> 01:08:31,723

So I would imagine at that point,

a Cadillac was a huge deal.

:

01:08:32,278 --> 01:08:33,268

Katie: Exactly.

:

01:08:33,408 --> 01:08:37,138

And especially among gangsters.

:

01:08:37,393 --> 01:08:37,973

Lizzy Haynes: Yes,

:

01:08:38,127 --> 01:08:38,457

Katie: And so

:

01:08:38,457 --> 01:08:41,138

he's like a wannabe, like

a certain culture.

:

01:08:41,938 --> 01:08:44,148

Cause then later, like in

the two thousands, like the

:

01:08:44,167 --> 01:08:46,448

Escalade became like a big

:

01:08:47,268 --> 01:08:50,127

car in like rap music and stuff, you know?

:

01:08:50,268 --> 01:08:50,688

Yeah.

:

01:08:50,743 --> 01:08:51,363

Lizzy Haynes: 50 cent.

:

01:08:51,372 --> 01:08:55,563

I remember had I guess there, you know,

there was like a point in time where

:

01:08:56,202 --> 01:09:01,723

you, you like immerse yourself and I'm

knowing all of the different kind of

:

01:09:02,573 --> 01:09:04,702

like anecdotes about, about people.

:

01:09:04,702 --> 01:09:10,153

And I remember watching some clip of

50 cent and he had across his entire

:

01:09:10,153 --> 01:09:12,943

chest, like the Cadillac emblem.

:

01:09:13,383 --> 01:09:18,832

And he did it because in his mind, like

Cadillac was like the epitome of luxury.

:

01:09:19,363 --> 01:09:23,952

And, So I, I definitely think there

was a time where Cadillac was like

:

01:09:23,952 --> 01:09:27,683

the top of the top and I'm not,

you don't really see them anymore,

:

01:09:27,783 --> 01:09:31,872

actually, now that I'm thinking

through I'm kind of, they're rare.

:

01:09:33,577 --> 01:09:38,398

Katie: I dated a guy briefly who was a

car salesman for a Cadillac dealership.

:

01:09:38,398 --> 01:09:39,688

And he drove this Cadillac.

:

01:09:39,688 --> 01:09:41,127

I don't even know what kind it was.

:

01:09:41,127 --> 01:09:43,478

And I, I like very much hurt his feelings.

:

01:09:43,478 --> 01:09:46,288

Cause whatever it was, I

thought it was super ugly.

:

01:09:46,827 --> 01:09:47,827

I don't think they're attractive.

:

01:09:47,837 --> 01:09:51,938

Like I think Escalades are fine,

but just their sedan or whatever.

:

01:09:51,938 --> 01:09:52,548

I, I.

:

01:09:52,837 --> 01:09:53,608

Think they're ugly.

:

01:09:53,808 --> 01:10:00,108

And so maybe they used to be, have

a better body style back in the day

:

01:10:00,528 --> 01:10:00,788

than they

:

01:10:00,903 --> 01:10:01,863

Lizzy Haynes: not a car person.

:

01:10:01,893 --> 01:10:06,043

Admittedly I don't dislike cars,

but I'm, I've never been somebody

:

01:10:06,043 --> 01:10:07,643

that gets excited about cars.

:

01:10:08,143 --> 01:10:08,773

A car.

:

01:10:09,383 --> 01:10:12,933

So unfortunately for me, like it

usually, unless it's like, unless I'm

:

01:10:12,933 --> 01:10:15,543

noticing it because it's just that

crazy looking, I'm never going to

:

01:10:15,543 --> 01:10:18,223

notice a car and have it stand out.

:

01:10:18,988 --> 01:10:23,918

Katie: I noted, I think I'm a couple

of levels beyond your recognition,

:

01:10:23,918 --> 01:10:25,168

but I'm definitely not a car person.

:

01:10:25,168 --> 01:10:31,108

But yeah, I think I think Cadillacs now

are kind of synonymous with older people

:

01:10:31,963 --> 01:10:32,943

Lizzy Haynes: I would agree with that.

:

01:10:32,952 --> 01:10:33,753

Yeah, I would agree.

:

01:10:33,783 --> 01:10:37,873

Like a kind of like the baby boomer beyond

:

01:10:37,943 --> 01:10:38,853

kind of even more.

:

01:10:38,853 --> 01:10:39,913

So, because like my.

:

01:10:41,163 --> 01:10:47,643

My mom drove a Cadillac when I

was in high school, but she and

:

01:10:47,643 --> 01:10:48,702

my mom's the kind of person.

:

01:10:48,702 --> 01:10:51,353

Well, she'll drive a car until

it quite literally dies on her.

:

01:10:51,353 --> 01:10:56,433

So she had it for a while, but

then she, she didn't go back.

:

01:10:56,483 --> 01:11:02,452

Yeah, I, I agree because there was

a time where, you see people like

:

01:11:02,452 --> 01:11:04,673

my granddaddy driving a Cadillac.

:

01:11:04,683 --> 01:11:04,883

And I

:

01:11:04,893 --> 01:11:07,893

think that that's kind of, they've

kind of earned that reputation

:

01:11:07,928 --> 01:11:08,327

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:11:08,658 --> 01:11:09,098

Mm hmm.

:

01:11:09,303 --> 01:11:10,013

Lizzy Haynes: retirees.

:

01:11:10,448 --> 01:11:10,758

Katie: Yep.

:

01:11:11,233 --> 01:11:16,533

Yeah, I thought this was a very

interesting bit of trivia while this

:

01:11:16,553 --> 01:11:21,623

production had part of a freeway

closed for filming, the band R.

:

01:11:21,623 --> 01:11:21,713

E.

:

01:11:21,713 --> 01:11:22,043

M.

:

01:11:22,093 --> 01:11:27,743

took advantage of that and filmed some

of their video for Everybody Hurts There.

:

01:11:28,213 --> 01:11:30,623

So they just piggybacked on,

oh, this highway's closed and

:

01:11:30,883 --> 01:11:34,573

it must have been I can't picture

that video, but that desert.

:

01:11:35,613 --> 01:11:36,163

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

:

01:11:36,803 --> 01:11:37,473

Katie: probably.

:

01:11:37,623 --> 01:11:38,702

Lizzy Haynes: Which makes sense.

:

01:11:38,803 --> 01:11:41,883

You know, never, I've

never seen the music.

:

01:11:41,893 --> 01:11:42,733

I know the song.

:

01:11:42,733 --> 01:11:45,063

I know exactly the song that

they're talking about, but I've

:

01:11:45,063 --> 01:11:46,283

never watched the music video.

:

01:11:46,283 --> 01:11:47,153

I'll have to watch that now.

:

01:11:47,573 --> 01:11:48,163

Katie: Me too.

:

01:11:48,963 --> 01:11:51,363

Okay, another bit of trivia about casting.

:

01:11:51,383 --> 01:11:52,143

I love this.

:

01:11:52,153 --> 01:11:54,133

It's my favorite part

of trivia every time.

:

01:11:55,053 --> 01:11:59,743

Do you have any guesses for who else was

considered for the role of Jack Charles?

:

01:12:00,673 --> 01:12:01,023

Lizzy Haynes: Ooh.

:

01:12:02,603 --> 01:12:03,573

Let me think about this.

:

01:12:05,903 --> 01:12:09,783

I feel like I'm biased based on

your previous actor, but in my

:

01:12:09,783 --> 01:12:13,413

mind, I feel like they've maybe

wanted someone like a Kurt Russell.

:

01:12:13,433 --> 01:12:18,893

But I think, let me, let me

try to do, think of who was

:

01:12:18,903 --> 01:12:21,313

really popular during the times.

:

01:12:26,702 --> 01:12:32,423

Oh man, I could see like a Ray

Liotta maybe in, in that role

:

01:12:32,833 --> 01:12:33,713

Katie: I could see that.

:

01:12:33,773 --> 01:12:35,513

I could see that's not who it was,

:

01:12:35,723 --> 01:12:37,373

but I could see that you were spot

:

01:12:37,688 --> 01:12:39,213

Lizzy Haynes: way!

:

01:12:39,993 --> 01:12:40,013

Yay!

:

01:12:40,013 --> 01:12:41,226

That's awesome!

:

01:12:41,226 --> 01:12:44,257

I love it so much!

:

01:12:44,278 --> 01:12:49,198

Katie: and that could not be more

perfect, furthering my point for my

:

01:12:49,198 --> 01:12:52,618

entire first season, because they are.

:

01:12:52,618 --> 01:12:53,778

the ultimate everyman.

:

01:12:54,248 --> 01:12:55,758

Patrick Swayze, Kurt Russell,

:

01:12:56,943 --> 01:12:58,213

Lizzy Haynes: so interchangeable in that

:

01:12:58,327 --> 01:13:00,018

Katie: and similar in,

:

01:13:00,143 --> 01:13:00,913

Lizzy Haynes: But yes.

:

01:13:01,858 --> 01:13:02,638

Katie: similar guys.

:

01:13:02,738 --> 01:13:03,508

They look similar.

:

01:13:03,548 --> 01:13:04,618

They go up for the same roles.

:

01:13:04,868 --> 01:13:05,678

They're the same part.

:

01:13:05,918 --> 01:13:11,068

They're both, ah, I about died

when I read that Kurt Russell.

:

01:13:11,198 --> 01:13:11,648

Yeah.

:

01:13:11,827 --> 01:13:12,598

Mm hmm.

:

01:13:12,598 --> 01:13:12,663

Mm hmm.

:

01:13:12,733 --> 01:13:13,133

Lizzy Haynes: vindicating.

:

01:13:13,413 --> 01:13:14,353

Katie: Mhm.

:

01:13:14,523 --> 01:13:15,193

Mhm.

:

01:13:15,793 --> 01:13:21,333

Oh, and like you said at the beginning,

I literally 90 minutes of Patrick Swayze.

:

01:13:21,333 --> 01:13:22,853

I will take it in any form.

:

01:13:23,223 --> 01:13:27,013

I do always enjoy spending an hour

and a half with our beloved Patrick

:

01:13:27,013 --> 01:13:32,083

Swayze, But We must now return to the

present day reality until next time.

:

01:13:32,708 --> 01:13:34,308

Lizzie, thank you so much.

:

01:13:34,308 --> 01:13:38,128

for joining me to relive

a little bit of:

:

01:13:38,538 --> 01:13:42,048

And this fun little escape with

Patrick, do you have any final

:

01:13:42,048 --> 01:13:45,038

thoughts about the movie fatherhood?

:

01:13:45,098 --> 01:13:50,118

And then please don't forget to tell us

where we can find you and your podcast.

:

01:13:50,373 --> 01:13:51,183

Lizzy Haynes: Yes.

:

01:13:51,183 --> 01:13:51,433

Yes.

:

01:13:51,443 --> 01:13:52,423

Thanks so much for having me.

:

01:13:52,423 --> 01:13:53,363

This was so much fun.

:

01:13:53,463 --> 01:13:55,343

I mean, I'll just reiterate

what I said before.

:

01:13:55,343 --> 01:14:02,413

I just, I think the, I think the movie, I

Definitely could have used like a little,

:

01:14:03,083 --> 01:14:08,263

a fine tuning, but I think ultimately

I'm, I'm just never going to be angry

:

01:14:08,293 --> 01:14:10,373

about getting to watch Patrick Swayze.

:

01:14:10,373 --> 01:14:12,013

It's just never something

I'm going to be mad at.

:

01:14:12,013 --> 01:14:20,918

I just, I find he is one of those

actors that, He, his own just light

:

01:14:21,018 --> 01:14:25,018

shines through whatever role he's

playing and just allows you to connect.

:

01:14:25,028 --> 01:14:28,827

So regardless of how good or bad the

script is, I just feel like you're

:

01:14:28,827 --> 01:14:32,208

going to have a good time watching

Patrick Swayze beat Patrick Swayze.

:

01:14:32,218 --> 01:14:34,938

And so I think I'm appreciate.

:

01:14:35,288 --> 01:14:37,088

That I got to get

introduced to this movie.

:

01:14:37,518 --> 01:14:40,838

You can find me uh,

retro movie round table.

:

01:14:41,168 --> 01:14:45,068

We are a similar concept we

are a movie podcast.

:

01:14:45,448 --> 01:14:49,998

We love all movies are only criteria

for movies that we reviews has to be

:

01:14:49,998 --> 01:14:53,858

at least 10 years old, but we've done

movies going all the way back to the

:

01:14:53,858 --> 01:14:57,608

ties and then now approaching:

:

01:14:57,618 --> 01:15:01,028

We're just now starting to

break into movies from:

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01:15:01,038 --> 01:15:03,178

And you can find us anywhere

podcasts are available.

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01:15:04,108 --> 01:15:05,038

Katie: It's fun.

:

01:15:05,068 --> 01:15:05,588

I love it.

:

01:15:05,993 --> 01:15:07,053

Retro movie roundtable.

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01:15:07,053 --> 01:15:08,073

You guys should check it out.

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01:15:08,452 --> 01:15:10,863

Lizzie, you know, I might be

biased, but she's one of my

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favorite hosts on the show.

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Lizzy Haynes: Thank you.

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Katie: And Thank you all for

listening or watching on YouTube.

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If you.

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like the show, tell a friend or

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