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Episode 27

Escape from L.A. (part 2 of a double crossover!) | S1E27

Today, we continue the double crossover with Jim & Kevin from the Pool Scene Podcast, with the sequel to Escape from NY, 1996’s Escape from L.A. We’ll also be sure to touch on all the other “happenings” of the time in the time capsule. 

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Transcript
Katie:

Hello.

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Hello.

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I'm Katie and welcome to Retro

Made, your pop culture rewind.

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Today we continue the double crossover

with Jim and Kevin from the Pool Scene

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podcast with the sequel to Escape

from New York,:

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And we'll also be sure

to touch on all the other

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happenings of the time in the

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time capsule.

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Kevin, Jim, thank you

so much for joining me.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Hey,

now, thank you, Katie.

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Katie: So what's the story

with Pool Scene Podcast?

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Let us know.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Well, we just

released High Fidelity this week.

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We closed out Music Month.

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We, that was episode 193.

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So we are now 7 away from 200.

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June will we be celebrating our four

year anniversary of our podcast?

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We started as a movie

and music video podcast.

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That was it.

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And then it's become

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pop culture.

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It's become nostalgia mostly.

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It's crime.

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In addition to weekly episodes

on Mondays talking about movies.

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We occasionally drop in some of

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other episodes within we

have the swim short series

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or 15 minute

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breaks.

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And then we have the swim meet

series, which is kind of our

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documentaries or long form.

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And then we have

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pool crimes or pool crimes

thing where it's not just about

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crimes that happen in pools.

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It's just about that.

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I figure it's an easy way to just

brand things called pool crimes.

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But if you listen regularly, you.

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Get in on the inside jokes

pretty quickly and, and

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kind of figure out the format.

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You know, we are open books.

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We hold nothing back.

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That's true.

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Unfortunately for us,

maybe to our detriment.

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Katie: It's great.

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If you like Retro Made, you'll

probably like their show as well.

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So check it

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out guys.

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So let's open the time capsule from

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August of 1996.

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Pool Scene Podcast: And let me,

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so 1996, this movie to me doesn't feel 96.

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Like looking back, I'm like,

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Katie: What does it

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Pool Scene Podcast: if I had to

place this, maybe:

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Katie: okay.

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yeah.

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Actually, now that you

say that I can, yeah.

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Yeah, I

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can see that a little bit.

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But it was August of 1996.

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So

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that would,

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have been like, the 95 to 96 TV season.

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And so we've already

covered that a little bit.

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So I thought we might do something

a little bit different in terms

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of what the top shows were.

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I'll list those.

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And then if you guys

want to pick 1 and share

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a tidbit or a

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memory or whatever you would like about

it, the top shows we have ER, Seinfeld,

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Pool Scene Podcast: Oh yeah.

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Katie: Friends, Caroline in

the City, The Single Guy, Home

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Improvement, Boston Common, this

was actually its premiere season,

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NYPD Blue, Frasier, and Grace Under Fire.

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Pool Scene Podcast: I

will say right off the bat

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now I know Kevin's going to bring it up.

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So I'm going to say ER for me

was a huge deal just because

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goose was on it, Anthony Edwards,

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and I felt like he was never vindicated,

George Clooney, George Clooney,

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not the best Batman,

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but when it came to Anthony Edwards,

I always thought that Maverick

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killed him in top gun because of

his hot dogging and bad piloting.

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So it felt great to know that

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he got his, you know, he got His

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His flowers on ER, but man, the

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spoilers

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when Dr.

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Green dies in season eight, I think

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I still cry like a baby.

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I don't, I have no problem admitting it.

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It's one of the hardest tear jerking

episodes I've ever seen in my life.

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Did you watch all of ER?

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I watched all 15 seasons.

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15 seasons.

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At least they knew when to end it.

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Weird.

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Did you ever watch Grey's Anatomy?

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No.

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But why?

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I just, no.

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I'm good.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I just couldn't do it.

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So the, the one that jumps out to me when,

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you know, you shared this list with us.

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NYPD Blue, Dennis

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Franz's ass is the big monumental moment

because how, why, why Dennis Franz?

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People tuned in for the booty.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's like Jim and I, before we

started recording, we're saying this

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show would almost pre advertise that they

were going to say a certain curse word.

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Yeah.

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They're going to swear.

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Oh, NYPD.

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They're going to say SOB?

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What?

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No.

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They're going to swear.

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Oh.

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But of all people, Dennis

friends, they're like, Hey, dent.

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Hey, Denny, we're going to

show your butt this week.

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All right.

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Katie: Yeah.

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I do recall his butt being shown

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being a huge deal.

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That's for certain.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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NYPD Blue and ER, huh?

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Pool Scene Podcast: Oh, big time.

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Well, and obviously Seinfeld,

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By

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far, I mean, it's Larry David.

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And his glory.

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And I know a couple of times on this

podcast, I've even referenced the fact

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of, I don't think the single guy ever got

enough credit because Jonathan Silverman

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and Joey Slotnick as a duo, we're

just like Tom Hanks and Peter Scolari.

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In my opinion, I have almost no

recollection at all of the single guy.

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This is how bad it is.

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I know that I'm pretty sure

fact check me if I'm wrong.

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And I might be.

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This was, I think, either

a Tuesday or Thursday, 8.

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30 slot.

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So it came in after Friends

before Seinfeld, I think.

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So it was a good leading,

good buffer between two.

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Katie: Oh, I'm shocked It

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got that good of a slot.

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Pool Scene Podcast: was really good.

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I only think it lasted

four or five seasons.

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But I, I don't think it got

enough credit for how good it was.

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I I do not care for Friends.

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At all.

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It's well documented.

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It's just not for me.

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Hates it.

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Hates it.

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Like Billy Joel.

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You

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Katie: That's hilarious.

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It's kind of of those.

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It's definitely my favorite.

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It is a comfort food for me.

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I'm a friends person.

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Indeed.

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My sisters and I will quote it.

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and you know, a lot of people either do

or don't know what we're talking about.

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Pool Scene Podcast: I will say

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also though, and this is a hot

taker, controversial opinion.

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I'm not really that big of a

fan of just sitcoms in general.

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Yeah.

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You're not really a big

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sitcom person.

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I mean, I.

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I don't know what it is, like stuff

like, especially modern sitcoms.

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I, I'm not even going to get into how

much I dislike them, but I certainly

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watched my fair share of TGI Fridays

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with, you know, family matters and home

improvement, whole house, whole house, all

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Katie: Mm hmm.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Definitely

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spent, you know, time doing

that when I wasn't out.

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Cause I'm, I was such

a cool guy at that age.

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I wasn't home on Fridays too.

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Oh, I'm a view because I

had so many dates and stuff.

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Now, Katie, do you happen to remember?

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Cause we even looked it up.

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Do you remember Boston common

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at all?

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Katie: Vaguely.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah, because I was

like, what the heck is Boston common?

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I looked it up because I was like,

I don't remember that two seasons,

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not at all.

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Anything near what I thought it was about.

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Yeah.

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Katie: then there was also, maybe I'm

confusing it with a show that came later

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about a public.

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school in Boston

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with

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shy McBride.

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That was Boston Public, different show.

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Okay.

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Pool Scene Podcast: I don't know why,

but I confused this show with the William

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Shatner lawyer show because didn't have

to do with something about Boston legal.

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I think

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Katie: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Pool Scene Podcast: due for

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Boston Common, Boston Public,

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NBC relies on I think they're what their

third Wednesday nights or something.

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It's, it's an all Chicago night.

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It's Chicago med,

Chicago PD, Chicago fire.

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Why they love Chicago.

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I like

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Katie: they do a crossovers that way.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

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Katie: We already covered some

of the premieres in the breakdown

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episode, listeners that you've

hopefully already heard if you haven't

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listened to the breakdown episode,

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Kurt Russell, but

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some finales for 96, the Phil Donahue show

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I don't recall it going that

long, like all the way to 96.

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Picket fences.

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I feel like this

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was a show

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for like moms or 30 somethings.

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Pool Scene Podcast: I feel like this show

had Alan Skerritt in it, but I might be,

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if I'm really, I, if I'm, I'm digging

deep, and that might be because of the

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bike accident I had back in 08, but I feel

like Alan Skerritt was a part of the show.

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I

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Katie: is Alan

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Pool Scene Podcast: or Tom

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Skerritt,

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I'm sorry, not Alan, Tom Skerritt,

Alan, see, lost it, lost it,

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Katie: Tom Skerritt.

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I, you might be right.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

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Katie: Murder, she wrote, this was

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its final and it ran from

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84 to 96.

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It was, it had a really long, long run

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Pool Scene Podcast: We covered

an episode of Murder, She Wrote.

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We did a, Where they did virtual reality.

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The virtual reality episode.

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My girlfriend and I

started from season one.

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We're up to season four.

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I like to operate under the theory

that Jessica was the angel of death.

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And she knows everybody!

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Because

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Katie: it's a little

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Pool Scene Podcast: she's

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Katie: town.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah, it's a

little town and Jessica kind of

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happens to find, I love the

beginning of every new episode.

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She has a nephew,

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she'll have a long lost

friend, an old boyfriend,

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they somehow, wherever they go.

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Here comes Jessica, lock the doors.

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Don't acknowledge her.

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You're safe.

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Let her be.

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I can remember like Murder, She

Wrote coming on at like my grandma's

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house or something back when there

were six channels and people were

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like, Ugh, Murder, She Wrote.

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I would watch Murder, She Wrote.

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I'd rather watch that than Matlock.

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I know.

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Okay, no offense to Andy

Griffith, but sorry.

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It's aged very well.

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It has.

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It's relevant still.

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Katie: like it It's on one of those

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channels, the

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rerun channels.

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It's on one of

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Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

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Katie: Do you guys remember the commish?

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Pool Scene Podcast: Oh, Chick List.

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Heck yeah.

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Katie: Was it?

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Okay.

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I have heard the name,

but I've never seen it?

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Don't know what it's about.

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A police

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Pool Scene Podcast: I know of it.

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I know of it.

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I never watched an episode of it.

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I just think he, I think

he, I'm probably wrong.

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Probably police.

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I would say a police commissioner.

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He's gotta be a commissioner or something.

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Not a Parks and Rec.

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But, I would hope he's a

commissioner or something.

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I would hope so.

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Katie: it also ended in

96, so that's TV for you.

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Music billboards.

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These are good.

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They're

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the ones that I do in

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the 90s, or especially like in the

mid to late 90s have been pretty good.

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Because that was like our era.

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It seems.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

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High school.

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Katie: Yes.

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Pool Scene Podcast:

quite from middle school.

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Whatever you child.

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Katie: youngin.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

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Katie: Billboards for the week of

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August 9th,

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1996.

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Number one song,

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Macarena.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Katie: Los Del Rio.

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I don't know if

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anybody recalls the name of the group.

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I didn't.

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I remember when that hit

96, I was a freshman.

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I was a freshman in high school

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and I could just remember

just the dance craze.

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You know what?

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I always thought of with Macarena

was so weird as we used to have

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teen dances at this place and I

remember when Macarena came out.

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I was like, I know that dance

because at the teen dances, everyone

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used to do that same dance to

Depeche Mode's Personal Jesus.

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And it worked out.

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It worked out perfect.

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And I was

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Katie: we didn't do

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Pool Scene Podcast:

ripping off that dance.

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Katie: dance.

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Pool Scene Podcast: it was the same.

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I mean, yeah, I, it was the same

beat, same thing, but all the cross

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arms behind the head, hips turned.

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So that dance I think, predated the song.

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Macarena, that's so fascinating.

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And, and we're

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later this year we're gonna do

definitive songs of the two thousands.

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Was Macarena on our

definitive nineties list?

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I can't remember.

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I think we mentioned it.

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I don't think we made it on our top 30.

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Songs like that are everywhere.

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Commercials.

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Radio everywhere, but who's

actually purchasing them?

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You know, who's like, I got to go

to the mall and buy the CD single of

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the Macarena or the Cupid shuffle.

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Or the Cupid shuffle or you

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Katie: no one,

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but somebody has to pay the

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rights every time it's on a

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commercial or it's used in something.

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That's maybe how they make money.

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I don't know.

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call.

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Pool Scene Podcast: I've

ever seen a Macarena CD.

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Can you imagine what I

bought the whole album?

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I

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was just

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now low.

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Katie: you it

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was on

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Columbia house or what

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was the other, were,

you know, one of those.

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Pool Scene Podcast: you got it as a

free add on because you sure as hell

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didn't order it because could you

name another song by Los Del Rio?

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Katie: No.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Exactly,

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but they made their money

so good on them This

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Katie: The number two

song is you're making me

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high by Toni Braxton.

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Pool Scene Podcast: for me

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as a

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15 year old kid We talked about

AGM barbeau in part one and

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escaped New York, but watching this

video as a kid I was oh, hello,

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you are making me high.

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Yes, you are, baby, baby HM

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Katie: Yes, she was pretty.

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Now, the number three song

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I'm super jazzed about

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because I don't

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think this artist has made.

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The show

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Pool Scene Podcast: Okay.

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Katie: my

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favorite of all time

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one, Mr.

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Tupac Shakur

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Pool Scene Podcast: Oh,

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how do you want it

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Oh, great.

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So

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they go off in that song.

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I mean, all the

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runs and stuff that they do.

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What a great song.

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My mom loves that song.

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Really?

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Katie: Are you serious?

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Pool Scene Podcast: My mom's

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a huge.

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And then my mom loved Nelly.

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So weird.

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Katie: Wow.

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You guys have cool moms.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I'll always remember my mom.

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She'll be like,

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did you hear?

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And it's right when I graduated

from high school, she was like,

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You know that, that new, I

think his name's Nelly, he's got

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that, the boom, boom song with the rims.

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I'm like the boom, boom

song with the rims, mom.

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And I put it on.

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She's like, Oh, country grammar.

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I love this song.

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I'm like, mom, have you listened to

the unedited version of the song?

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Good grief.

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I'm just thinking about Nelly and how

like all his songs were about like stuff.

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Like grills.

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Yeah.

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And then he had this song

about the air force ones.

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It's just I'm going to write a

bunch of songs about just stuff.

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It doesn't have to be a

lot of substance to it.

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Just stuff.

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You put it to a great beat and

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Katie: I love Nelly.

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Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

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. Katie: So how do

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want

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it?

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It was the number three song, number four.

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I don't recall these being

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in the same

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time period.

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Twisted

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by Keith Sweat.

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Katie: of the year, I feel like.

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that was some slow jams.

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95, like basically nine or 92 through

98 R and B was that was he sweat

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and then he did the super group LSG.

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All of my body and Gil.

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Really?

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Katie: fantastic.

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We actually played we made

Twisted into a drinking game.

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Every

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time twisted like he says twisted

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so often in the song or like every time

he says twisted You have to take a drink.

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You got pretty twisted.

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Katie: we did

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Pool Scene Podcast: right.

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featured at those teen dances we were at.

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and most of the time we wouldn't

understand what any of it meant.

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No, we didn't know what

they were talking about.

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What is he talking about?

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I gotta go huff the the dry ice.

484

:

Anybody get any whippets?

485

:

Yeah.

486

:

Nice.

487

:

Katie: Tracy Chapman has the number

five song with give me one reason very

488

:

Pool Scene Podcast: glad

to see she finally got her

489

:

flowers with a, with fast car.

490

:

Thank God.

491

:

Yeah.

492

:

I mean, that's always a great song.

493

:

But then when it was at the Grammys,

I'm glad to see younger generations

494

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now know who Tracy Chapman is.

495

:

And it's I'm happy as hell for,

496

:

Katie: yeah,

497

:

that version

498

:

her version is I mean, it's

a song in its own category.

499

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh, yeah, Oh yeah.

500

:

Katie: Eric Clapton, Change

the World is number six.

501

:

A

502

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh, is

503

:

that from phenomenon

504

:

Katie: I

505

:

Pool Scene Podcast: or no, it might've

been, might've been from phenomenon.

506

:

John Travolta.

507

:

Shout out.

508

:

Katie: Oh, yeah, probably.

509

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

510

:

Katie: Some more 90s R& B with R.

511

:

Kelly, I Can't Sleep Baby

512

:

is number

513

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Pool Scene Podcast: I don't know the song.

514

:

Oh man.

515

:

I don't

516

:

Katie: Yeah, you will know it.

517

:

It's not one of his like super well known

518

:

ones,

519

:

but you'll know

520

:

it.

521

:

he can't do.

522

:

anything without her.

523

:

He can't sleep.

524

:

He can't eat.

525

:

He can't do any of the things.

526

:

Pool Scene Podcast: I

just, you do know it.

527

:

Katie: Definitely a

528

:

song played at dances

529

:

and it's so

530

:

repetitive.

531

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I

532

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can't stand it.

533

:

If I hear it, come on, ride

534

:

it the train

535

:

by quad

536

:

City DJs.

537

:

Pool Scene Podcast:

Yellow, red, and green,

538

:

and riot.

539

:

They had the the, pretty much

all of their songs were like,

540

:

we need one line

541

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that we can just

542

:

repeat incessantly.

543

:

They did the Space Jam soundtrack

for the Michael Jordan Space Jam.

544

:

And it was like,

545

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come on and slam if you want to jam

546

:

over and over and over again.

547

:

Yeah.

548

:

Could you imagine that meeting they had?

549

:

Listen,

550

:

Kylie Minogue knew what she

was doing with the locomotion.

551

:

We need a new

552

:

locomotion.

553

:

It involved a train.

554

:

Yes.

555

:

It wasn't, it wasn't just quad speed DJs.

556

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It was

557

:

69 boys.

558

:

It was like, there were a bunch of these

559

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that were built around a dance like

the butterfly or, and it was just

560

:

stuff that,

561

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It's going to hopefully latch

on and get played at weddings

562

:

and it's a double entendre.

563

:

Yeah.

564

:

So yeah.

565

:

Freak nasty.

566

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The dip,

567

:

Katie: There was the

568

:

Who Let the Dogs Out,

569

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Pool Scene Podcast: comment

570

:

Katie: a, yeah.

571

:

Pool Scene Podcast: as Cleveland Browns

fans, we, we know that song all too well.

572

:

Katie: Oh, do they play that at games?

573

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh God, it's like the

B song with the dog pound and everything.

574

:

We have a minor league baseball

team here in town that are called

575

:

the Scrappers, which are dogs.

576

:

Yeah, and I used to have to play

that up in the booth all the time.

577

:

They play Who Let the Dogs

Out at every single game.

578

:

Oh yeah, after a while I'm like, can

we find a new song that involves a dog?

579

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Would you rather be an artist who has

three or four top, 20 top 30 type hits

580

:

you hung around for a year or two,

maybe an album or two, or would you

581

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rather have one massive one hit wonder?

582

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And this is probably a pretty easy answer.

583

:

Yeah.

584

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What do you think, Katie?

585

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Katie: I would rather be around for a

586

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couple years, have

587

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a handful of

588

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good songs.

589

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Be known for more than just the one song.

590

:

Yeah,

591

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Pool Scene Podcast: because if

you're a true artist and, and

592

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at least you can say in that instance with

I want to hang around for a few years.

593

:

Put stuff out that I really enjoy,

or you can do who let the dogs Out,

594

:

And then you're making money

for maybe the next 50 years.

595

:

It's true.

596

:

Because your songwriting license, I

always feel like it would be an uphill

597

:

battle because you'd be trying to convince

other people I can do other things.

598

:

Right?

599

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No, you want your ass up to

the stage and let them out.

600

:

Well, it's, it's sort of like

the fascinating the smash

601

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mouth story because when

602

:

they wrote, I think it was walking

on the sun, it was the song The

603

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guitar player, guitar player told

the singer, he was like, look, if

604

:

we release this song, it's over.

605

:

This is what we've become.

606

:

He's this is going to be a massive

hit, but this does not represent

607

:

who we've been previously.

608

:

And then it's really fascinating

story because sure enough.

609

:

They released a song, they were exactly

right, it I rushed out to National

610

:

Record Mart and bought the CD, I was

that guy, I was the Smash Mouth guy.

611

:

Katie: I got sick of that song.

612

:

And

613

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then I was like, I was super annoyed

by that guy and his voice, and I

614

:

didn't want to hear anything else

615

:

from him.

616

:

Well,

617

:

Alanis Morissette,

618

:

remember how big she was around this

619

:

Pool Scene Podcast: oh yeah.

620

:

Katie: You learn slash you ought to know

621

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Her,

622

:

her vo I loved her vocal range.

623

:

Aw, her vocal range was amazing.

624

:

You oughta know about, Uncle Joey.

625

:

Uncle Joey, Dave Pouillet.

626

:

Dave Pouillet.

627

:

I

628

:

Katie: recently read something that she

629

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claims it wasn't him.

630

:

And that there was

631

:

like an article about it was like, could

have been like four different people, but

632

:

I'm pretty sure it was him.

633

:

Pool Scene Podcast: that picture's

been floating around recently

634

:

of them together and it kind of

makes me feel a little scummy

635

:

She's so young.

636

:

She looks Very like teenager

and he's he's uncle Joey Joey.

637

:

Yeah, he's I think he's in

his like 30s and she's 18

638

:

Katie: Yep.

639

:

Yep.

640

:

Pool Scene Podcast: It's cut it out.

641

:

Uncle Joe.

642

:

Yeah, please.

643

:

Katie: Yeah.

644

:

She that's, that's the

deal with young girl.

645

:

They don't know better.

646

:

They, you know what I mean?

647

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Well, she did

know something about, she had six

648

:

singles on that album.

649

:

Oh,

650

:

so

651

:

I remember that just being like,

652

:

when's it going to start?

653

:

Like I liked it, but I was

like, when's it going to stop?

654

:

She has

655

:

six singles off

656

:

a jagged little bill.

657

:

Katie: What an album, great

658

:

Pool Scene Podcast: It was.

659

:

Katie: And then number 10.

660

:

is LL Cool

661

:

J's

662

:

Loungin is the technical name of

The song, but it's who do you love?

663

:

Pool Scene Podcast: The remix

version of this song is incredible.

664

:

Remember

665

:

LL Cool J went away.

666

:

Like he fell off the face of the

plant after mama said, knock you out.

667

:

Then he comes back with Mr.

668

:

Smith

669

:

with voice to man, doing a lover.

670

:

That's what I was hoping to say.

671

:

Hey, lover, hey lover.

672

:

And then this came out, which

I like a little bit more.

673

:

Cause as a great beat, the song off the

Beavis and by head to America soundtrack.

674

:

And Beavis and by head

are in the music video.

675

:

So Yeah.

676

:

Katie: well,

677

:

I can't remember the name of the

album But one of his albums is

678

:

every single song is is like a hit

679

:

and it would have been a

probably around this time

680

:

Yeah.

681

:

Pool Scene Podcast: And then this

is around when he really parlayed

682

:

it all into an acting career.

683

:

Deep Blue Sea.

684

:

Deep Blue Sea, my hat

is like a shark's fin.

685

:

Katie: You guys said that simultaneously.

686

:

Did you see him in,

687

:

I Loved in Too

688

:

Deep?

689

:

Because it also has Omar Epps in it.

690

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

691

:

I don't, I don't think I've ever seen it.

692

:

I've seen all of those movies,

693

:

yeah.

694

:

Omar Epps

695

:

stuff Yeah.

696

:

Katie: It was good.

697

:

LL.

698

:

I saw him in concert,

699

:

too.

700

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Ooh!

701

:

When did you see him in concert?

702

:

Katie: Probably 15 years ago,

703

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Okay.

704

:

Katie: 10, 10 years ago, 15 years ago at

705

:

an outdoor

706

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Was it?

707

:

for it was primarily him?

708

:

He was the the headlining artist and then

709

:

was there anyone else

710

:

Katie: Yeah, there probably was there.

711

:

This might have been, it might

have been, like, public enemy.

712

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Okay.

713

:

Katie: Day lost soul.

714

:

There was like a few and

then LL was the headliner.

715

:

Mm

716

:

Pool Scene Podcast: I've been a great

717

:

I mean last summer.

718

:

We have a outdoor amphitheater here

that Nelly played last year, but

719

:

Unfortunately, I mean, I guess,

fortunately for consumer, but

720

:

these artists can't sustain just like a

gig by themselves with an unknown opener.

721

:

It's all part of some like

nineties or:

722

:

And now they just like slam a bunch

of these artists all on the same bill.

723

:

And I have not went to any of

them, but it's like TLC silk and

724

:

like all these other artists.

725

:

Concert tickets are so

726

:

damn expensive and it's you got to justify

727

:

going to see

728

:

cause we're from the

Youngstown, Ohio area.

729

:

And I got to justify

the fact that I'm paying

730

:

150

731

:

to be in an outdoor amphitheater in

downtown Youngstown underneath a bridge,

732

:

which isn't the greatest place.

733

:

All right.

734

:

No, no offense, but let's be honest.

735

:

But

736

:

last year, remember we saw gin

blossoms at a rib burn off, which is

737

:

fantastic.

738

:

They sound amazing.

739

:

And it was like 10 bucks.

740

:

Yeah.

741

:

But we got.

742

:

Yeah, we got absolutely

743

:

there was no like sun protect, no shade

744

:

because we had their biggest

regret like growing up around here.

745

:

We would have rib burn offs, like

constantly at the mall and gin

746

:

blossoms would play every single year.

747

:

And none of us ever went.

748

:

So we said, if we ever have the

opportunity to see the gin blossoms.

749

:

Yeah, we're going to go.

750

:

And we ended up going up

and towed the wet sprocket

751

:

because again,

752

:

Katie: can't

753

:

Pool Scene Podcast: can't

do just like your own thing.

754

:

So they, they're naked ladies.

755

:

Yeah.

756

:

Bare naked ladies, towed the

wet sprocket, gin blossoms.

757

:

And we went to, it's

like an outdoor theater.

758

:

That's on Lake Erie, Lake Erie.

759

:

It's awesome.

760

:

Yeah, Nautica.

761

:

We had a great time and then saw, Hey,

chin blossoms are coming to the rib burn

762

:

off, which is literally 15 minutes away.

763

:

It felt more appropriate to finally

close the loop because we always

764

:

wanted to see him at the rib burn off.

765

:

And we saw him at a rib burn

766

:

Katie: What is a rib burn off?

767

:

Pool Scene Podcast: so it's just like a

festival, except for instead of having

768

:

rides and games, it's literally

just, it's literally just barbecue.

769

:

It's

770

:

Katie: a bunch of like vendors

that are selling ribs and stuff.

771

:

Okay.

772

:

Pool Scene Podcast: have a concert and

usually when we rip burn offs, like

773

:

there's five nights of it and

every night someone like when

774

:

I was, I don't know, 20, I saw.

775

:

Charlie Daniels band who played all,

776

:

Leonard Skinner and songs.

777

:

Okay.

778

:

So they just basically covered.

779

:

Yes.

780

:

It was all entered.

781

:

So Charlie Daniels being a tribute

band to Leonard Skinner and then any,

782

:

any guests, what, what the main event

of Charlie Daniels was free bird.

783

:

It, well, It was devil

went down to Georgia.

784

:

Oh yeah.

785

:

I'm pretty sure the encore was free bird.

786

:

Katie: I actually saw

Leonard Skinner at an

787

:

outdoor amphitheater

788

:

and they were with a few other people.

789

:

I forget who, but it's

only, it's like the younger

790

:

brother.

791

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

792

:

Katie: is younger brother is the

lead singer now, , cause most of them

793

:

died I think

794

:

Concerts, it's a different

it's a different game now

795

:

Pool Scene Podcast: It's not worth it.

796

:

It's just not worth it.

797

:

You get older.

798

:

You're like, God, I got to deal with

the traffic going into the city.

799

:

Then out of the city.

800

:

What time I get home?

801

:

I got to work the next day.

802

:

It is a concert like, like Taylor

Swift, for example, something like that.

803

:

You compete with bots to purchase

the tickets or you have to

804

:

buy them in the resale market.

805

:

It is just

806

:

nightmare stuff.

807

:

If you, if, if you're like a huge, if

you're a Swifty and you're a huge fan.

808

:

Unfortunately,

809

:

they don't make it easy for

you to just get tickets.

810

:

Like we talked about.

811

:

Do you remember, you know, where you

grew up, it going to a physical ticket

812

:

master location and being there at open

to purchase your ticket, they'd get out

813

:

the laminated map and you'd point where

you wanted to say it was the best and you

814

:

actually got a ticket and they gave you a

physical ticket that you had to hold for,

815

:

Katie: the ones I went to back back

in the day were for like festivals.

816

:

So there wasn't a seat

817

:

Or it was just all

818

:

general admission.

819

:

So like I never

820

:

picked a seat, but they

were like 20, bucks You

821

:

Pool Scene Podcast: yeah, they were all

822

:

Katie: yeah.

823

:

Pool Scene Podcast: 28, 75.

824

:

Katie: well let's move on to

news and events with MTV too.

825

:

their second TV channel

launched in August, 96.

826

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Their

answer to, you know, what

827

:

MTV, it used to be 24, seven,

828

:

we'll make another channel

and make that 24, seven.

829

:

And then shortly thereafter, we have,

we can throw the weird real world reruns

830

:

and road rules reruns onto this one.

831

:

Instead,

832

:

man, I thought, you know, being a

teenager and MTV two's come out,

833

:

you're like, all right, finally,

24, seven music videos again.

834

:

Wrecked it again.

835

:

Although MTV too, was very good to play

the obscure stuff, the back catalogs.

836

:

Yeah.

837

:

Like alternative and wrap and

838

:

different things that weren't

necessarily featured on MTV.

839

:

And I think that was the selling point.

840

:

Yeah.

841

:

We used to love the box.

842

:

Oh, do you, are you familiar

with the box network, Katie?

843

:

Katie: No, there's a

844

:

network called The Box?

845

:

Mmm.

846

:

Pool Scene Podcast: lived.

847

:

It was about late nineties.

848

:

Cause I can remember watching this

in seventh period psychology class.

849

:

If we were good, the teacher was like, you

can watch the last 20 minutes of the box.

850

:

So basically it was based out of Canada.

851

:

I think much music owned it.

852

:

It was a video jukebox.

853

:

So

854

:

they'd play videos.

855

:

And if you, it was like 99, the whole

time the video was on, there's numbers

856

:

scrolling across the bottom of the

screen, a crawl, you would call the

857

:

Katie: What?

858

:

Pool Scene Podcast: The 800 number,

you would type in the three digit

859

:

code of the video you wanted to watch.

860

:

And then it would go into the queue.

861

:

Katie: I cannot believe

I've never heard of this.

862

:

It sounds pretty awesome.

863

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Every once in a

while, you can find a music video,

864

:

Evan and Jaren, if you ever look, go

look at Evan and Jaren crazy for this

865

:

girl, somebody uploaded it to YouTube.

866

:

The actual.

867

:

They took it, they ripped it off the box.

868

:

The box, but it also mixes

in the Dawson's Creek.

869

:

Yeah, footage.

870

:

The Dawson's Creek footage because

it was featured on Dawson's Creek.

871

:

Another one of my guilty pleasure shows.

872

:

I do have some legitimacy

concerns with the box because of.

873

:

Okay.

874

:

What if, what if you called in and you

typed in one five, four for Cottonmouth

875

:

Kings bump, and then I called and I

wanted one 54 Cottonmouth Kings bump.

876

:

They wouldn't play them back to back.

877

:

So, but you would get those obscure,

like Mid nineties Euro dance.

878

:

He's like Eiffel 65 was the first

time I ever saw blue was on the box.

879

:

Then you would have B O N with boys.

880

:

You only saw it on the box.

881

:

I love that song.

882

:

That song's so bad.

883

:

It's amazing.

884

:

Katie: which song?

885

:

Pool Scene Podcast:

It's a band called B O N

886

:

and the name of the song's called boys.

887

:

They're German.

888

:

They're German.

889

:

Yeah.

890

:

There's a German version

and English version.

891

:

The English version is so bad.

892

:

It's good.

893

:

Because the translation is not stellar.

894

:

Katie: Like 99 Red Balloons.

895

:

Isn't that originally German?

896

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Goldfinger's

remake of 99 Red Balloons is probably

897

:

one of the best covers of all time.

898

:

I love the English version of 99 Red

Balloons because when she says, In a hoey,

899

:

is how she says it.

900

:

It's like instead of in

a hurry, it's in a hoey.

901

:

And her broken German English accent.

902

:

I love it so much.

903

:

Katie: Also, back, back,

back in the day, you guys,

904

:

Netscape Browser

905

:

3.

906

:

0 is released.

907

:

1996.

908

:

Remember Netscape?

909

:

I

910

:

had forgotten about it.

911

:

Pool Scene Podcast: I used to love

the loading end in the corner where it

912

:

would have the stars flying by the end.

913

:

So you would just load brand.

914

:

Oh, granted, back then it's dial

up, so it's gonna take 20 minutes

915

:

where you see this end loading.

916

:

I did not own a personal

computer until:

917

:

Okay.

918

:

Or a laptop or nothing.

919

:

Just never had a computer in.

920

:

They were multimedia class at high school.

921

:

My, all my friends had, but

I definitely used Netscape.

922

:

Netscape at school.

923

:

Oh yeah.

924

:

Katie: computer lab

925

:

or friend's house.

926

:

We didn't have one in 96 either.

927

:

Pool Scene Podcast: I still have

from:

928

:

I still have it to this day,

929

:

but it's definitely, I could not play

Netscape or use Netscape navigator.

930

:

No way.

931

:

Katie: that is so

932

:

funny that you say that

because my parents, I

933

:

made them keep

934

:

it when they like, move, they

935

:

still have it.

936

:

The,

937

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh,

938

:

Katie: 64 that we had

when we were kids too.

939

:

Pool Scene Podcast: love that thing.

940

:

Yeah.

941

:

You, I mean, you

942

:

load up a game,

943

:

go make dinner,

944

:

go take a shower.

945

:

And then when you're done.

946

:

MTV's remote control is ready

to be played or a classic

947

:

Katie: that game.

948

:

We had that game.

949

:

Yes.

950

:

Pool Scene Podcast: a great, that's

an underrated TV show that people need

951

:

to understand how great it is.

952

:

Ken Ober, Kari Wuhr, Adam Sandler.

953

:

Commodore just had games

for absolutely everything.

954

:

Anything you can dream up.

955

:

Yep.

956

:

One button.

957

:

Katie: Yeah.

958

:

Oh,

959

:

man.

960

:

Pool Scene Podcast: should

do a Commodore podcast.

961

:

Yeah.

962

:

Katie: Okay.

963

:

So the movie that we're going to

be talking about escape from L.

964

:

A.

965

:

was the number 6 movie

966

:

released in August of

967

:

96, but there were some

other ones, a time to kill

968

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh yeah.

969

:

Oh,

970

:

hey, I saw that in the theaters.

971

:

Katie: There's some big ones.

972

:

Independence Day.

973

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Yep.

974

:

Saw that

975

:

Katie: that like the summer movie?

976

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh yeah.

977

:

Welcome to Earth.

978

:

Katie: Which I can't recall what Jack is.

979

:

What's

980

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Robin Williams.

981

:

It's Robin Williams

playing an adult child.

982

:

Katie: that's right.

983

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Weird movie.

984

:

Katie: Yeah.

985

:

Tin Cup?

986

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh,

987

:

we covered that.

988

:

We love the

989

:

golf movie.

990

:

Oh, so good.

991

:

Rene Russo, Cheech Marin, romantic comedy.

992

:

Same guy that did white men can't

993

:

Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

994

:

He did a bunch of sports.

995

:

movies, didn't

996

:

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

997

:

Oh yeah.

998

:

Awesome.

999

:

Katie: Matilda?

:

00:34:15,585 --> 00:34:17,005

Courage Under Fire?

:

00:34:17,686 --> 00:34:18,466

Pool Scene Podcast: Meg Ryan.

:

00:34:18,926 --> 00:34:19,266

Yeah.

:

00:34:19,786 --> 00:34:20,326

Katie: Is that?

:

00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:23,496

Oh, is Denzel Washington in that

or am I thinking of something else?

:

00:34:24,076 --> 00:34:24,856

Pool Scene Podcast: No, I think so.

:

00:34:24,856 --> 00:34:26,545

I want to say courage under

fire to have to do like

:

00:34:26,545 --> 00:34:27,996

helicopters and stuff like that.

:

00:34:27,996 --> 00:34:29,146

And like Meg Ryan Denzel.

:

00:34:29,146 --> 00:34:30,346

I think you're right, Katie.

:

00:34:30,591 --> 00:34:31,431

Katie: I could be wrong.

:

00:34:31,741 --> 00:34:32,761

Phenomenon,

:

00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:33,271

didn't you

:

00:34:33,396 --> 00:34:33,726

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah,

:

00:34:34,216 --> 00:34:34,556

there we go.

:

00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:35,841

Katie: yeah, Phenomenon,

:

00:34:36,846 --> 00:34:37,426

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

00:34:39,315 --> 00:34:39,525

posts.

:

00:34:39,585 --> 00:34:39,846

Yeah.

:

00:34:39,846 --> 00:34:41,686

Post Pulp Fiction was

like, give me everything.

:

00:34:42,016 --> 00:34:42,906

I want it all.

:

00:34:43,071 --> 00:34:44,478

Katie: he did.

:

00:34:44,478 --> 00:34:45,181

He

:

00:34:45,476 --> 00:34:45,656

Pool Scene Podcast: I

:

00:34:46,106 --> 00:34:48,045

call phenomenon face off face.

:

00:34:48,096 --> 00:34:49,636

I'm doing it all broken era.

:

00:34:49,835 --> 00:34:50,896

You face waterfalls.

:

00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,521

Katie: they're all the same movie

:

00:34:53,531 --> 00:34:53,920

sort of,

:

00:34:54,431 --> 00:34:56,781

Chain reaction, which I

can't recall what that is.

:

00:34:56,801 --> 00:34:59,471

And then Kingpin rounding

:

00:34:59,496 --> 00:34:59,796

Pool Scene Podcast: yeah,

:

00:35:00,286 --> 00:35:00,576

chain

:

00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:02,116

reaction is it's,

:

00:35:02,406 --> 00:35:04,186

Keanu Reeves, Morgan Freeman.

:

00:35:04,566 --> 00:35:07,516

They try to solve or

create nuclear fusion.

:

00:35:07,596 --> 00:35:09,896

It's a very underrated movie.

:

00:35:10,436 --> 00:35:14,596

I would recommend that if you can find it,

I'm pretty sure it's available in places.

:

00:35:15,816 --> 00:35:17,426

The DVD cover looks really cheap.

:

00:35:17,486 --> 00:35:17,826

It's bad.

:

00:35:17,856 --> 00:35:20,566

It looks like you, you were reading

in Walmart and you're like, Oh,

:

00:35:20,566 --> 00:35:21,376

I'm going to buy that movie.

:

00:35:21,386 --> 00:35:24,776

It looks like when they try to

cash in on like an actor, who's

:

00:35:24,826 --> 00:35:25,836

has like a sudden

:

00:35:26,046 --> 00:35:28,186

And it's they re release

one of their old movies.

:

00:35:28,436 --> 00:35:29,246

That's like what it looks like.

:

00:35:29,986 --> 00:35:31,326

I think Kingpin, Fairly Brothers.

:

00:35:31,346 --> 00:35:32,026

Oh, so good.

:

00:35:32,196 --> 00:35:32,566

Awesome.

:

00:35:32,576 --> 00:35:33,606

Also has Goldfinger.

:

00:35:33,696 --> 00:35:34,696

Yes, that's right.

:

00:35:36,586 --> 00:35:37,646

Katie: Is that Woody Harrelson?

:

00:35:37,646 --> 00:35:38,826

Who, who's in?

:

00:35:38,956 --> 00:35:39,306

Yeah.

:

00:35:39,586 --> 00:35:41,756

Pool Scene Podcast: Roy

Munson, Randy Quaid's in that.

:

00:35:41,976 --> 00:35:42,366

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:35:42,416 --> 00:35:43,486

I like Woody.

:

00:35:43,816 --> 00:35:44,216

Yeah.

:

00:35:45,176 --> 00:35:45,776

Pool Scene Podcast: So good.

:

00:35:46,066 --> 00:35:48,436

Katie: Before we get going on

our movie talk, I have a couple

:

00:35:48,436 --> 00:35:49,636

of, questions for you guys

:

00:35:50,236 --> 00:35:50,756

Pool Scene Podcast: Alrighty.

:

00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:54,316

Katie: about our Everymen on RetroMade.

:

00:35:54,316 --> 00:35:55,506

This season is.

:

00:35:55,506 --> 00:35:59,656

the ultimate Everymen, both

Patrick Swayze And Kurt Russell.

:

00:36:00,206 --> 00:36:01,366

Do you guys have any

:

00:36:02,836 --> 00:36:04,456

fandom thoughts?

:

00:36:05,786 --> 00:36:07,636

Anything that you would like

to share about either of them?

:

00:36:08,366 --> 00:36:12,376

Pool Scene Podcast: So Patrick Swayze,

my, my ex girlfriend was a dance teacher.

:

00:36:13,956 --> 00:36:15,556

The studio she taught at,

:

00:36:16,196 --> 00:36:22,136

That woman who owned it Kathy Magritte,

she danced with Patrick Swayze.

:

00:36:22,596 --> 00:36:22,896

Katie: What?

:

00:36:23,156 --> 00:36:27,916

Pool Scene Podcast: so used to give like

anecdotes about young Patrick Swayze

:

00:36:28,366 --> 00:36:29,806

and basically how

:

00:36:30,076 --> 00:36:34,216

he had wished to be a womanizer, but

they weren't really all that interested

:

00:36:34,216 --> 00:36:36,616

at that age in Patrick Swayze.

:

00:36:36,676 --> 00:36:38,556

But yeah, I, I love Swayze.

:

00:36:38,596 --> 00:36:39,876

I love the

:

00:36:40,216 --> 00:36:41,856

versatility of

:

00:36:42,156 --> 00:36:46,676

dirty dancing and leaning into his

past as a dancer, but then doing.

:

00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:50,086

Roadhouse and point break.

:

00:36:50,086 --> 00:36:51,136

I mean, as Bodie

:

00:36:51,816 --> 00:36:52,916

and coolest,

:

00:36:53,216 --> 00:36:54,286

he can sing and he can say,

:

00:36:54,406 --> 00:36:55,006

Katie: yeah,

:

00:36:55,236 --> 00:36:57,976

Pool Scene Podcast: yeah,

:

00:36:57,996 --> 00:36:58,716

Katie: certain.

:

00:37:00,116 --> 00:37:02,326

Pool Scene Podcast: it's a, it's a

great drunk song to sing at your best

:

00:37:02,326 --> 00:37:04,076

friend's wedding out on the dance floor.

:

00:37:04,766 --> 00:37:05,256

I sang it.

:

00:37:05,916 --> 00:37:06,256

Katie: she's

:

00:37:06,421 --> 00:37:08,981

Pool Scene Podcast: His, it was like, it

wasn't your first dance, but it was one.

:

00:37:08,981 --> 00:37:10,111

Oh, it wasn't my first day.

:

00:37:10,111 --> 00:37:12,311

I was very, very drunk.

:

00:37:12,331 --> 00:37:13,601

Don't listen to the usher cover.

:

00:37:13,601 --> 00:37:14,121

If she's like

:

00:37:14,121 --> 00:37:14,511

the wind.

:

00:37:16,871 --> 00:37:19,701

but Kurt Russell, for me, like I

mentioned it in escape from New

:

00:37:19,701 --> 00:37:23,311

York, I grew up with Kurt Russell in

the Disney movies where, you know,

:

00:37:23,321 --> 00:37:25,201

he was playing Dexter Riley and

:

00:37:25,971 --> 00:37:27,311

the computer were tennis shoes.

:

00:37:27,311 --> 00:37:28,091

I love that.

:

00:37:28,121 --> 00:37:28,501

And.

:

00:37:28,996 --> 00:37:32,486

I remember a kid running overboard

from first row video and then

:

00:37:32,486 --> 00:37:35,606

you watch overboard now you're

like whoa You could not get it.

:

00:37:35,616 --> 00:37:40,266

This guy literally duped a woman Into

becoming his wife and lying and say she

:

00:37:40,266 --> 00:37:42,006

has kids you pull that stuff up nowadays.

:

00:37:42,016 --> 00:37:44,376

You're serving 15 to 20, but

:

00:37:44,586 --> 00:37:44,876

Katie: so

:

00:37:44,876 --> 00:37:45,536

good.

:

00:37:46,266 --> 00:37:47,466

Pool Scene Podcast: Great like that

:

00:37:47,816 --> 00:37:52,111

overboard Theme song when me and my

girlfriend watch that she goes into this

:

00:37:52,111 --> 00:37:57,311

full spasm when that song comes on Like

she'll start kicking on the floor because

:

00:37:57,311 --> 00:38:00,361

she like she gets all hyper It's our happy

:

00:38:00,951 --> 00:38:02,751

like she's like the wind is my happy song.

:

00:38:02,761 --> 00:38:07,231

Her happy song is the theme

song to Overboard and um, cash

:

00:38:07,231 --> 00:38:08,751

is themed from tango and cash,

:

00:38:08,856 --> 00:38:11,196

Katie: Oh, good choices.

:

00:38:11,561 --> 00:38:12,711

Pool Scene Podcast: which is a weird song.

:

00:38:12,961 --> 00:38:13,911

That song makes a note

:

00:38:14,481 --> 00:38:15,661

at all that movie

:

00:38:17,321 --> 00:38:17,931

Kurt Russell.

:

00:38:17,971 --> 00:38:21,551

He's just has this whole other

like X factor, a layer of cool.

:

00:38:21,641 --> 00:38:21,981

Yeah.

:

00:38:22,031 --> 00:38:26,071

And in death proof, Quentin Tarantino's

death proof, he plays stunt man, Mike,

:

00:38:26,671 --> 00:38:29,161

and he's just like the coolest dude.

:

00:38:29,171 --> 00:38:32,661

Well, for most of the time, spoiler

free for Jim, who hasn't seen that.

:

00:38:32,691 --> 00:38:33,301

No, I have not.

:

00:38:33,351 --> 00:38:36,591

But he's just, he just exudes

this, something that Kurt Russell

:

00:38:36,591 --> 00:38:38,201

has in every movie he's in.

:

00:38:38,311 --> 00:38:40,221

And he's in the Fast

and Furious franchise.

:

00:38:40,221 --> 00:38:40,651

He's Mr.

:

00:38:40,651 --> 00:38:41,221

Nobody.

:

00:38:41,451 --> 00:38:43,741

So it makes it even better,

except Fast X really sucked.

:

00:38:44,431 --> 00:38:45,521

Katie: I haven't seen those.

:

00:38:45,561 --> 00:38:45,671

I

:

00:38:45,671 --> 00:38:45,941

kind of

:

00:38:45,941 --> 00:38:48,651

refuse to watch them, but

yeah, I hear Kurt sent them.

:

00:38:49,141 --> 00:38:49,601

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

00:38:50,061 --> 00:38:50,891

Last three.

:

00:38:51,631 --> 00:38:51,891

three.

:

00:38:51,931 --> 00:38:54,071

I mean, he's not like

a, like a feature in it.

:

00:38:54,071 --> 00:38:56,121

Like he's a secondary character in there.

:

00:38:56,121 --> 00:38:56,531

yeah.

:

00:38:56,961 --> 00:38:57,341

Katie: I've seen

:

00:38:57,341 --> 00:38:58,391

the first three

:

00:38:58,471 --> 00:38:59,311

Fast and Furious.

:

00:39:00,011 --> 00:39:03,211

Not the latter 18 or

however many there are.

:

00:39:04,221 --> 00:39:05,071

Pool Scene Podcast: Got to watch five.

:

00:39:05,151 --> 00:39:05,411

Yeah.

:

00:39:05,491 --> 00:39:10,051

Five is the, the best one where

it's the perfectly rounded story.

:

00:39:10,061 --> 00:39:11,011

It's great action.

:

00:39:11,391 --> 00:39:11,671

Great.

:

00:39:12,031 --> 00:39:15,011

Probably one of the best action movies,

incredible five, five, really great.

:

00:39:15,061 --> 00:39:16,661

Then law of diminishing

returns, of course,

:

00:39:17,291 --> 00:39:17,761

Katie: Okay.

:

00:39:18,041 --> 00:39:18,771

Fast five.

:

00:39:18,951 --> 00:39:20,351

Maybe I will give it a whirl.

:

00:39:20,891 --> 00:39:21,811

Pool Scene Podcast: starring the rock.

:

00:39:23,611 --> 00:39:24,241

Katie: Yeah,

:

00:39:24,441 --> 00:39:24,861

he is.

:

00:39:25,051 --> 00:39:26,281

He's not a draw for me.

:

00:39:26,341 --> 00:39:27,561

So that's, Yeah,

:

00:39:27,921 --> 00:39:28,671

Pool Scene Podcast: He's everywhere.

:

00:39:28,991 --> 00:39:30,001

Katie: he is everywhere.

:

00:39:30,561 --> 00:39:31,021

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah,

:

00:39:33,511 --> 00:39:33,911

Katie: do you

:

00:39:33,911 --> 00:39:35,321

guys think that Patrick Swayze

:

00:39:35,321 --> 00:39:39,671

and Kurt Russell look alike at all?

:

00:39:40,901 --> 00:39:41,771

Pool Scene Podcast: I can get it.

:

00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:46,921

If if they played brothers in a

movie, I would buy it 87 to 89.

:

00:39:47,141 --> 00:39:49,851

If they did a movie together,

you'd be like, okay, I can

:

00:39:49,851 --> 00:39:51,681

see them playing brothers

:

00:39:52,441 --> 00:39:53,451

independently.

:

00:39:53,451 --> 00:39:54,811

I probably would not.

:

00:39:54,931 --> 00:39:55,251

no,

:

00:39:56,141 --> 00:39:58,541

no, there are certain roles.

:

00:39:58,551 --> 00:40:00,441

I could see them being

interchangeable though.

:

00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:02,091

Like I could see Kurt Russell

:

00:40:02,511 --> 00:40:04,011

switching with Swayze and ghost

:

00:40:05,421 --> 00:40:07,471

Russell be in that role as Sam.

:

00:40:07,471 --> 00:40:07,701

We.

:

00:40:08,396 --> 00:40:10,386

One word, Sam, we, Sam, we

:

00:40:14,046 --> 00:40:15,266

Katie: So you can see him as brothers,

:

00:40:15,276 --> 00:40:17,696

but independently, not so much.

:

00:40:18,066 --> 00:40:18,716

Pool Scene Podcast: not so much

:

00:40:19,396 --> 00:40:19,836

Katie: Okay.

:

00:40:20,936 --> 00:40:22,056

Pool Scene Podcast:

still handsome as hell.

:

00:40:22,326 --> 00:40:22,586

Yeah.

:

00:40:22,596 --> 00:40:22,976

You know,

:

00:40:23,779 --> 00:40:25,629

, Katie: shall we get into the movie?

:

00:40:25,989 --> 00:40:27,509

Escape from LA.

:

00:40:32,509 --> 00:40:33,189

Pool Scene Podcast: let's do it.

:

00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:35,779

Katie: Now you guys for listeners, you

:

00:40:35,779 --> 00:40:35,929

should

:

00:40:35,929 --> 00:40:37,009

watch the YouTube version

:

00:40:37,009 --> 00:40:40,409

because Jim and Kevin have a super

cool room that they podcast in

:

00:40:40,689 --> 00:40:43,879

with all of their fun things,

and you can see it on display,

:

00:40:43,889 --> 00:40:44,829

including

:

00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:50,329

the cover for escape from LA and a

board game for escape from New York.

:

00:40:50,959 --> 00:40:51,549

Pool Scene Podcast: Yes.

:

00:40:51,739 --> 00:40:52,969

Never knew there was a board game

:

00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:53,719

Katie: I did

:

00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:53,879

Pool Scene Podcast: a

:

00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:54,469

gift.

:

00:40:55,139 --> 00:40:56,099

Yeah, no idea.

:

00:40:56,099 --> 00:40:57,009

I haven't played it,

:

00:40:57,134 --> 00:40:57,364

Katie: Oh, you

:

00:40:57,479 --> 00:40:58,359

Pool Scene Podcast: no, I have not.

:

00:40:58,449 --> 00:41:02,089

My girlfriend found it in the antique

store for 10 bucks and it could

:

00:41:02,089 --> 00:41:04,579

be one of these things we end up

playing, but it's literally a map

:

00:41:04,579 --> 00:41:07,899

of, of Liberty Manhattan Island,

and you're just trying to literally

:

00:41:08,349 --> 00:41:08,899

escape,

:

00:41:09,734 --> 00:41:10,234

Katie: All right.

:

00:41:11,054 --> 00:41:11,724

I like it.

:

00:41:11,784 --> 00:41:12,524

That's fun.

:

00:41:13,054 --> 00:41:13,904

And is that

:

00:41:13,904 --> 00:41:15,234

the Rockum Sockum?

:

00:41:15,414 --> 00:41:16,634

What's the ring?

:

00:41:17,144 --> 00:41:17,394

Yeah.

:

00:41:17,394 --> 00:41:17,724

Yeah.

:

00:41:17,754 --> 00:41:18,204

Mm hmm.

:

00:41:18,429 --> 00:41:19,389

Pool Scene Podcast: These are WWF

:

00:41:19,669 --> 00:41:21,639

Hasbro characters.

:

00:41:21,699 --> 00:41:23,099

Kevin and I love wrestling

:

00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:26,899

and Kevin gifted me, this

is his WWF Hasbro ring.

:

00:41:27,339 --> 00:41:30,709

So he gifted me this, and

then I just started finding

:

00:41:31,099 --> 00:41:31,919

Hasbro wrestlers.

:

00:41:31,919 --> 00:41:32,589

Cause I'm, I

:

00:41:32,909 --> 00:41:34,199

have a toy room upstairs.

:

00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:35,539

I collect wrestling figures.

:

00:41:36,049 --> 00:41:39,609

So whenever I can find them on the

cheap, like at thrift stores or

:

00:41:39,609 --> 00:41:42,519

something like that, cause some of

these figures now go for insane money,

:

00:41:42,899 --> 00:41:45,009

but if I can find them on the

cheap, we throw them in the ring

:

00:41:45,019 --> 00:41:46,629

like this whole studio down here.

:

00:41:46,649 --> 00:41:47,319

There's yeah.

:

00:41:47,319 --> 00:41:50,429

If you got the full tour, there's,

yeah, there's just a little

:

00:41:50,429 --> 00:41:52,109

bit of everything down here.

:

00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,279

Like we were big collectors of

McDonald's merchandise from.

:

00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:57,079

You know, retro McDonald's merchandise.

:

00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:58,029

There's a lot of that.

:

00:41:58,039 --> 00:41:58,489

There's

:

00:41:58,789 --> 00:42:00,359

amusement park stuff.

:

00:42:00,539 --> 00:42:05,999

Turtles movies are Armageddon is

heavily featured in this, in, in the

:

00:42:05,999 --> 00:42:08,899

studio down here because that was

our first episode was Armageddon.

:

00:42:08,939 --> 00:42:09,889

Katie: Very cool room.

:

00:42:09,889 --> 00:42:12,679

I'm very jealous of

all of the memorabilia.

:

00:42:13,434 --> 00:42:15,114

th,:

:

00:42:15,214 --> 00:42:22,514

This movie, as I mentioned, was the

years later to the:

:

00:42:22,574 --> 00:42:26,264

version rated R hour and 41 minutes.

:

00:42:26,644 --> 00:42:28,684

Now I thought this was interesting.

:

00:42:28,694 --> 00:42:29,214

So

:

00:42:29,514 --> 00:42:30,544

the original movie

:

00:42:30,544 --> 00:42:31,364

escaped from New York.

:

00:42:31,734 --> 00:42:35,224

It's IMDb rating was a 7.

:

00:42:35,224 --> 00:42:35,534

1.

:

00:42:36,114 --> 00:42:37,544

It's only a 5.

:

00:42:37,594 --> 00:42:40,194

7 for LA.

:

00:42:42,144 --> 00:42:42,574

Pool Scene Podcast: Fair.

:

00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:43,884

I think it's fair.

:

00:42:44,034 --> 00:42:47,414

I, I think it would have been different

if there would only have been maybe.

:

00:42:47,944 --> 00:42:49,694

A five year gap between the movies.

:

00:42:49,694 --> 00:42:50,074

This is

:

00:42:50,539 --> 00:42:51,099

Katie: Yeah,

:

00:42:51,254 --> 00:42:52,104

Pool Scene Podcast: years later.

:

00:42:52,104 --> 00:42:57,544

And New York also is minimal on like the

comedy and it's gritty, kind of gritty

:

00:42:57,724 --> 00:42:59,344

and more like the warriors or something.

:

00:42:59,344 --> 00:43:02,194

And then LA is we're going

to turn the camp up to 15.

:

00:43:02,284 --> 00:43:04,824

Hey, you guys seen the,

that ESPN extreme games.

:

00:43:04,834 --> 00:43:06,484

How much stuff can we

throw into this movie?

:

00:43:06,484 --> 00:43:08,854

Hand gliding, surfing, you name it.

:

00:43:08,864 --> 00:43:09,814

Basketball.

:

00:43:10,839 --> 00:43:13,099

Katie: I kind of liked the campiness of it

:

00:43:13,189 --> 00:43:13,749

and

:

00:43:13,804 --> 00:43:13,974

Pool Scene Podcast: know.

:

00:43:14,154 --> 00:43:14,184

It's

:

00:43:14,629 --> 00:43:19,549

Katie: yeah, and because there were

so many callbacks to the original and

:

00:43:19,549 --> 00:43:21,599

it followed the exact same formula.

:

00:43:21,659 --> 00:43:23,349

It was somehow comforting to me.

:

00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:24,559

I very much liked it.

:

00:43:24,999 --> 00:43:28,999

But I don't think other

viewers did because they

:

00:43:29,019 --> 00:43:30,939

spent 50Million dollars on it.

:

00:43:31,699 --> 00:43:34,489

10 of which went to Kurt Russell's salary.

:

00:43:35,124 --> 00:43:35,994

Did you guys know that?

:

00:43:36,024 --> 00:43:36,474

Yeah.

:

00:43:38,124 --> 00:43:42,344

And then it only grossed 42 million,

so it didn't make its money back.

:

00:43:42,354 --> 00:43:43,054

But I think it's

:

00:43:43,424 --> 00:43:43,884

similar.

:

00:43:43,884 --> 00:43:45,674

Like a lot of John Carpenter movies.

:

00:43:47,139 --> 00:43:47,299

It

:

00:43:47,299 --> 00:43:47,869

becomes like,

:

00:43:47,869 --> 00:43:49,959

a cult favorite later.

:

00:43:50,709 --> 00:43:52,109

So that's sort of the same

:

00:43:52,109 --> 00:43:52,509

here.

:

00:43:52,999 --> 00:43:53,839

Pool Scene Podcast: His niche.

:

00:43:54,739 --> 00:43:57,759

and it's and then reading about

this, that they wanted to do the

:

00:43:57,759 --> 00:43:59,619

third movie escape from earth.

:

00:43:59,659 --> 00:44:03,799

I'm just like, how the hell is he going

to escape from there's no electricity

:

00:44:03,799 --> 00:44:05,499

now, spoiler alert, but still.

:

00:44:06,274 --> 00:44:07,784

Katie: Because of how

it ended, it was kind

:

00:44:07,784 --> 00:44:11,864

of set up for us for a, third movie, but

then they're like, Oh, this one tanked.

:

00:44:11,874 --> 00:44:12,214

So

:

00:44:12,594 --> 00:44:13,974

we're not doing that now.

:

00:44:14,604 --> 00:44:20,689

But . so you guys, if you haven't seen

escape from New York, Or I'm sorry, well,

:

00:44:20,919 --> 00:44:23,489

either way, if you haven't seen that

movie, watch it and then watch escape

:

00:44:23,489 --> 00:44:31,499

from LA, but the year is:

Plissken is once again, called in by

:

00:44:31,499 --> 00:44:36,229

the United States government to recover

a potential doomsday device from Los

:

00:44:36,229 --> 00:44:36,869

Angeles.

:

00:44:37,339 --> 00:44:38,069

Now

:

00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,749

an autonomous island where

undesirables are deported.

:

00:44:43,339 --> 00:44:45,949

Pool Scene Podcast: Well,

so the president predicts

:

00:44:46,489 --> 00:44:47,919

that there will be an earthquake.

:

00:44:47,929 --> 00:44:49,479

The president is Nostradamus.

:

00:44:49,509 --> 00:44:49,929

Yes.

:

00:44:49,969 --> 00:44:50,569

He's a presidential

:

00:44:50,829 --> 00:44:54,889

candidate who predicts that there will

be an earthquake that will break LA

:

00:44:54,929 --> 00:44:58,199

off the big ocean, which then happens.

:

00:44:58,199 --> 00:44:58,339

Yes.

:

00:44:58,694 --> 00:45:03,284

Which then secures him the presidency, and

then they make him the president for life.

:

00:45:03,284 --> 00:45:04,154

Make him president for life.

:

00:45:04,164 --> 00:45:04,994

And so LA,

:

00:45:05,149 --> 00:45:05,609

Katie: yeah.

:

00:45:05,609 --> 00:45:05,679

Yeah.

:

00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:06,339

And

:

00:45:06,494 --> 00:45:06,844

Pool Scene Podcast: it's a full

:

00:45:07,144 --> 00:45:08,154

island now.

:

00:45:08,509 --> 00:45:10,499

Katie: and you get sent there for

:

00:45:10,539 --> 00:45:11,499

moral offenses.

:

00:45:11,499 --> 00:45:12,019

like, it's a

:

00:45:12,049 --> 00:45:13,019

theocracy now.

:

00:45:13,019 --> 00:45:15,159

The United States is now a theocracy.

:

00:45:15,649 --> 00:45:16,179

So

:

00:45:16,219 --> 00:45:17,119

if you're an atheist,

:

00:45:17,409 --> 00:45:18,359

you get deported.

:

00:45:18,649 --> 00:45:20,849

if You're the wrong

religion, like if you're not,

:

00:45:20,909 --> 00:45:21,889

Christian, you

:

00:45:21,889 --> 00:45:22,059

get

:

00:45:22,224 --> 00:45:22,454

Pool Scene Podcast: You're done.

:

00:45:22,454 --> 00:45:22,974

And

:

00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:25,899

Katie: If you drink, you smoke,

you have sex before marriage.

:

00:45:25,899 --> 00:45:26,989

There's all these things you

:

00:45:27,244 --> 00:45:28,204

Pool Scene Podcast: you get your choice.

:

00:45:28,454 --> 00:45:30,204

So, you arrive in LA,

:

00:45:30,514 --> 00:45:31,704

and then it's either

:

00:45:32,544 --> 00:45:35,394

you lose your citizenship to

the United States, and you can

:

00:45:35,394 --> 00:45:37,654

proceed into Los Angeles, or

:

00:45:38,114 --> 00:45:39,214

electrocuted to death.

:

00:45:39,394 --> 00:45:40,444

Yeah, great options there.

:

00:45:40,504 --> 00:45:42,004

Which is just right out in the open.

:

00:45:42,224 --> 00:45:42,764

Jesus.

:

00:45:42,779 --> 00:45:43,289

Katie: It is.

:

00:45:43,384 --> 00:45:44,849

the first one had that too.

:

00:45:44,849 --> 00:45:45,329

It just wasn't

:

00:45:45,329 --> 00:45:46,119

electrocution.

:

00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:46,439

And it was

:

00:45:46,449 --> 00:45:51,269

like, You had the option to

be cremated or something,

:

00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,989

Pool Scene Podcast: I I do like

the fact too that the president

:

00:45:55,499 --> 00:46:00,784

because he's so morally, you know,

yeah Amazing that he decides to

:

00:46:00,784 --> 00:46:03,484

move the capital of the United

States from Washington, D.

:

00:46:03,484 --> 00:46:03,984

C.

:

00:46:04,304 --> 00:46:07,804

To his hometown of Lynchburg, Virginia.

:

00:46:08,144 --> 00:46:08,504

So

:

00:46:08,579 --> 00:46:09,699

Katie: 30 minutes away?

:

00:46:09,699 --> 00:46:11,319

I mean, how far away is that?

:

00:46:11,874 --> 00:46:13,374

Pool Scene Podcast: listen, I

don't like to make you it into

:

00:46:13,374 --> 00:46:15,234

4 95 to go to the white house.

:

00:46:15,294 --> 00:46:16,764

So, you know, I'm here at my house.

:

00:46:16,844 --> 00:46:17,724

It's a nice little ranch.

:

00:46:17,724 --> 00:46:18,864

I don't have to go upstairs.

:

00:46:19,054 --> 00:46:19,794

I'm gonna do it here in Lynchburg.

:

00:46:20,564 --> 00:46:24,644

Meanwhile, He just seems to want to hang

out in Los Angeles or is it his hologram?

:

00:46:25,774 --> 00:46:27,194

Jesus, that's been a lot of time.

:

00:46:27,214 --> 00:46:27,474

Yeah.

:

00:46:27,824 --> 00:46:28,454

The thing I like

:

00:46:28,924 --> 00:46:32,074

about the setting of:

when they see snake and they say

:

00:46:32,544 --> 00:46:33,634

that snake Plissken,

:

00:46:34,314 --> 00:46:35,774

he looks so retro.

:

00:46:36,504 --> 00:46:40,454

So 20th century, it was

13 years ago, 13 years.

:

00:46:40,454 --> 00:46:41,794

So 20th century.

:

00:46:41,824 --> 00:46:42,254

Yeah.

:

00:46:42,629 --> 00:46:44,759

Katie: But actually now

that you guys say this feels

:

00:46:44,759 --> 00:46:44,979

like a

:

00:46:44,979 --> 00:46:45,279

later

:

00:46:45,279 --> 00:46:47,739

movie, it's because it

was supposed to have been

:

00:46:47,894 --> 00:46:48,104

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

00:46:48,749 --> 00:46:50,789

Katie: in the future at the time.

:

00:46:51,219 --> 00:46:55,644

But yeah, so he wears a In the beginning

of the movie, he's wearing his original

:

00:46:55,644 --> 00:46:59,834

Snake Plissken outfit, and that's,

that's what they're, but then he does

:

00:46:59,834 --> 00:47:00,074

get a

:

00:47:00,074 --> 00:47:00,654

new,

:

00:47:01,814 --> 00:47:04,814

like, all black, fire

retardant Outfit with

:

00:47:04,814 --> 00:47:05,804

A long trench coat

:

00:47:06,479 --> 00:47:07,569

Pool Scene Podcast: Completely bad ass.

:

00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:08,009

Yeah.

:

00:47:08,049 --> 00:47:08,149

It's

:

00:47:08,324 --> 00:47:09,114

Katie: super cool

:

00:47:09,134 --> 00:47:10,194

outfit But

:

00:47:10,294 --> 00:47:12,164

Kurt was still able to fit

:

00:47:12,174 --> 00:47:12,854

into his

:

00:47:13,364 --> 00:47:14,854

same outfit from 15 years ago.

:

00:47:15,899 --> 00:47:16,659

Pool Scene Podcast: I

wish I could say the same.

:

00:47:16,824 --> 00:47:17,644

Katie: I know I was like I'm

:

00:47:17,644 --> 00:47:19,874

not sure I'm not sure I could do that

:

00:47:20,534 --> 00:47:20,754

Pool Scene Podcast: No.

:

00:47:22,284 --> 00:47:24,554

Katie: But so we mentioned John

Carpenter obviously he's the

:

00:47:24,554 --> 00:47:28,564

director of this and This is

:

00:47:28,564 --> 00:47:31,254

his fifth collaboration with Kurt Russell.

:

00:47:32,324 --> 00:47:34,014

I love their little bromance they have.

:

00:47:34,604 --> 00:47:36,814

And then the same writers Deborah Hill,

:

00:47:36,814 --> 00:47:42,334

Nick Castle, John Carpenter, but also

Kurt is credited for writing this, parts

:

00:47:42,334 --> 00:47:42,514

of

:

00:47:42,514 --> 00:47:43,534

this as well.

:

00:47:43,974 --> 00:47:47,834

And I think this is only,

has he written anything else?

:

00:47:48,224 --> 00:47:48,704

I wonder.

:

00:47:49,084 --> 00:47:49,164

I

:

00:47:49,344 --> 00:47:50,001

Pool Scene Podcast: I

don't know where it is.

:

00:47:50,001 --> 00:47:51,544

Is it off the top of my head?

:

00:47:53,439 --> 00:47:58,729

Katie: The music is familiar because it's

also John Carpenter with Shirley Walker.

:

00:47:58,729 --> 00:48:00,389

I think it was the same in

:

00:48:00,399 --> 00:48:01,349

the original.

:

00:48:01,989 --> 00:48:04,979

So Kurt's reprising his role as snake.

:

00:48:06,059 --> 00:48:07,619

,

Pool Scene Podcast: Still don't know to this day what SD

:

00:48:08,009 --> 00:48:08,309

stood

:

00:48:08,324 --> 00:48:09,074

Katie: Yes.

:

00:48:09,154 --> 00:48:10,154

Well, I wonder if it was.

:

00:48:11,384 --> 00:48:12,684

Because his name's Bob.

:

00:48:12,704 --> 00:48:13,264

it's S.

:

00:48:13,264 --> 00:48:13,514

D.

:

00:48:13,514 --> 00:48:14,894

Bob Plissken.

:

00:48:14,924 --> 00:48:15,374

So,

:

00:48:16,044 --> 00:48:21,444

Pool Scene Podcast: I hope it's not like

Steven, Daniel, Bob Plissken, or is it

:

00:48:22,324 --> 00:48:22,874

Robert?

:

00:48:22,974 --> 00:48:23,944

Yeah, good point.

:

00:48:24,754 --> 00:48:27,324

Katie: Yeah, that is interesting.

:

00:48:27,724 --> 00:48:32,014

So Kurt is 45 at the time of filming this.

:

00:48:33,374 --> 00:48:34,824

Pool Scene Podcast: That's

crazy to think about that.

:

00:48:34,824 --> 00:48:36,214

He's 45 years old there.

:

00:48:36,214 --> 00:48:37,314

I'm 42.

:

00:48:38,074 --> 00:48:39,684

God dang, , he still looks great.

:

00:48:39,714 --> 00:48:40,454

And he's in the 60s.

:

00:48:40,974 --> 00:48:41,874

I mean, come on.

:

00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:43,859

Katie: I mean, he's got

a little bit of a belly,

:

00:48:44,529 --> 00:48:44,999

but,

:

00:48:45,054 --> 00:48:45,554

Pool Scene Podcast: I mean, it's

:

00:48:45,824 --> 00:48:46,334

natural.

:

00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:48,629

Katie: we get a Steve Buscemi in this.

:

00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:49,059

So you

:

00:48:49,059 --> 00:48:49,299

guys,

:

00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:50,969

again, if you haven't seen it, Steve

:

00:48:51,274 --> 00:48:51,454

Pool Scene Podcast: he's

:

00:48:52,154 --> 00:48:53,444

Eddie map of the stars.

:

00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,679

I just, I want to know why he's

so clean and well dressed in this.

:

00:48:58,759 --> 00:48:59,159

Yeah.

:

00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:02,589

Cause it's like post apocalyptic

literally prison Island

:

00:49:03,089 --> 00:49:04,799

and like everybody, everything's on fire.

:

00:49:05,029 --> 00:49:05,649

It's weird though.

:

00:49:05,729 --> 00:49:06,909

The first movie

:

00:49:07,279 --> 00:49:09,579

you get the vibe that it's a

prison Island because you have

:

00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:11,599

soldiers, you have enforcement.

:

00:49:12,019 --> 00:49:14,149

This one just feels Oh,

there was an earthquake.

:

00:49:14,299 --> 00:49:15,319

People got stranded there.

:

00:49:15,609 --> 00:49:18,809

Oh, well, I don't really see any

enforcement or You know what I mean?

:

00:49:18,849 --> 00:49:21,989

You just have random gangs,

children, and Hondas.

:

00:49:22,279 --> 00:49:22,969

Katie: well, it was the

:

00:49:22,969 --> 00:49:23,919

same in the first one.

:

00:49:23,929 --> 00:49:27,259

There were no prison

guards inside New York

:

00:49:27,269 --> 00:49:28,969

in the same way that there wasn't here.

:

00:49:28,969 --> 00:49:32,329

It's there's a wall built

around the now island.

:

00:49:32,339 --> 00:49:32,359

Yeah.

:

00:49:32,859 --> 00:49:33,689

of LA.

:

00:49:34,099 --> 00:49:35,929

So I, I took it

:

00:49:35,939 --> 00:49:37,189

to be the same as the

:

00:49:37,189 --> 00:49:40,509

first in that you're just left to your

own devices and gangs will rise up

:

00:49:40,819 --> 00:49:42,769

and some leader will take

:

00:49:42,879 --> 00:49:46,209

Pool Scene Podcast: Do you happen

to watch Kirby Enthusiasm, Katie?

:

00:49:46,509 --> 00:49:47,789

Katie: Not regularly.

:

00:49:48,869 --> 00:49:52,039

Pool Scene Podcast: So the new

season, Steve Buscemi was on

:

00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:53,569

one of the the newest episodes.

:

00:49:54,729 --> 00:49:56,139

He has not aged.

:

00:49:56,189 --> 00:49:59,349

Like, I had to double take, cause you

see him in this, you're like, wow, it's

:

00:49:59,349 --> 00:50:03,579

like, it's the Steve Buscemi we have

all around, and granted, everybody ages.

:

00:50:04,024 --> 00:50:08,134

But I saw, I was like, Whoa,

did not age gracefully.

:

00:50:08,254 --> 00:50:10,204

Unfortunately still love

Steve Buscemi though.

:

00:50:10,229 --> 00:50:12,919

Katie: I thought you were going to say

that you didn't think he aged at all.

:

00:50:12,919 --> 00:50:14,079

I'm like, Oh, he looks the same.

:

00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:14,769

You're like, no,

:

00:50:14,769 --> 00:50:15,039

no.

:

00:50:16,164 --> 00:50:16,874

Pool Scene Podcast: have you.

:

00:50:16,874 --> 00:50:20,664

I had the double take and I was like,

Oh my God, that is Steve Buscemi.

:

00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:25,249

Katie: He's probably,

I don't know, 70 maybe.

:

00:50:25,264 --> 00:50:26,904

Pool Scene Podcast: He's got

to be up there around seven.

:

00:50:26,904 --> 00:50:29,454

I mean, Larry David's in

his mid seventies now, so

:

00:50:31,369 --> 00:50:33,269

Katie: then commander Malloy or

:

00:50:33,279 --> 00:50:33,919

Malloy.

:

00:50:34,469 --> 00:50:36,319

is played by Stacy Keach.

:

00:50:36,804 --> 00:50:40,654

Pool Scene Podcast: yeah, he's

our lead in cleave adjacent.

:

00:50:40,749 --> 00:50:41,849

Katie: yes, he is.

:

00:50:42,929 --> 00:50:45,829

Now I loved the girl who played Utopia.

:

00:50:46,509 --> 00:50:46,649

So

:

00:50:46,649 --> 00:50:48,069

Utopia is the

:

00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:49,259

president's daughter.

:

00:50:49,879 --> 00:50:51,939

And it's quite ironic

that he names his daughter

:

00:50:51,939 --> 00:50:52,589

Utopia.

:

00:50:53,654 --> 00:50:54,124

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

00:50:54,989 --> 00:50:58,409

Katie: but her name, the

actress's name is AJ Langer.

:

00:50:58,769 --> 00:50:59,049

And he,

:

00:50:59,094 --> 00:50:59,784

Pool Scene Podcast: She was in a lot of

:

00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:02,069

Katie: my so called

life, please tell me you

:

00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:02,859

guys watched that.

:

00:51:03,154 --> 00:51:04,254

Pool Scene Podcast: No Claire Danes.

:

00:51:04,254 --> 00:51:05,394

Yeah.

:

00:51:05,449 --> 00:51:05,789

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:51:05,789 --> 00:51:07,319

So AJ played Claire's

:

00:51:07,429 --> 00:51:07,869

like

:

00:51:08,699 --> 00:51:09,459

badass.

:

00:51:10,234 --> 00:51:11,994

Best friend Raeann

:

00:51:12,294 --> 00:51:12,644

in that

:

00:51:12,914 --> 00:51:13,544

Pool Scene Podcast: I remember that.

:

00:51:15,074 --> 00:51:15,394

Katie: yeah, she

:

00:51:15,394 --> 00:51:15,834

is in a lot.

:

00:51:15,834 --> 00:51:16,714

I haven't really seen her in

:

00:51:16,714 --> 00:51:21,664

anything lately Except I think she

married into some sort of like royalty

:

00:51:22,349 --> 00:51:24,639

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah, she's

she's a dame or something like that.

:

00:51:25,059 --> 00:51:25,529

Interesting.

:

00:51:26,284 --> 00:51:30,494

Katie: And then, the kind

of the leader bad guy of the

:

00:51:30,614 --> 00:51:31,204

prison

:

00:51:31,824 --> 00:51:36,354

his name in this is Cuervo Jones

:

00:51:37,449 --> 00:51:37,869

Pool Scene Podcast: about Jones?

:

00:51:38,149 --> 00:51:40,999

And then, And when you

research this actor, he's

:

00:51:41,279 --> 00:51:44,069

of Greek and Greek, Italian,

Greek French descent.

:

00:51:44,449 --> 00:51:46,909

And he's playing a Latin terrorist.

:

00:51:46,949 --> 00:51:48,939

And he's a Che Guevara.

:

00:51:49,009 --> 00:51:51,309

Oh, he's a, he's

completely a revolutionary.

:

00:51:51,399 --> 00:51:52,579

Katie: who he's supposed to be.

:

00:51:52,589 --> 00:51:52,919

Yeah.

:

00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:53,889

Played

:

00:51:53,919 --> 00:51:54,409

Pool Scene Podcast: just like.

:

00:51:55,059 --> 00:51:56,399

Katie: georges Coraface.

:

00:51:57,089 --> 00:51:57,659

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

00:51:57,849 --> 00:51:59,589

But just like the Duke,

:

00:52:00,049 --> 00:52:01,769

I'm not real threatened by this guy.

:

00:52:02,149 --> 00:52:05,109

This guy just is like, Hey, I want

to get all these people off the

:

00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:06,939

island, take back the country.

:

00:52:06,939 --> 00:52:08,769

And I did think okay,

:

00:52:09,419 --> 00:52:11,659

something that reinforced his

:

00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:17,619

power is that the dude regularly

has parades where he sits

:

00:52:17,619 --> 00:52:18,959

on the back of a vehicle.

:

00:52:19,329 --> 00:52:22,859

If somebody wanted to take him

out, it would be very easy to do,

:

00:52:23,219 --> 00:52:26,529

but it kind of establishes that they're

behind this guy because otherwise.

:

00:52:28,204 --> 00:52:31,344

You'd have every opportunity to

eliminate Cuervo if you wanted.

:

00:52:31,354 --> 00:52:34,174

We also need to establish the fact

that just like the Duke and his

:

00:52:34,174 --> 00:52:37,854

chandeliers on his car, Cuervo

has a disco ball on the back of

:

00:52:38,194 --> 00:52:39,179

Katie: Yes, I love it.

:

00:52:39,229 --> 00:52:41,209

There's a yin to

:

00:52:41,209 --> 00:52:42,639

every yang in this

:

00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:43,299

movie.

:

00:52:43,619 --> 00:52:47,239

Or that's not the right metaphor, but

There's the same beats and I kind of

:

00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:47,919

liked it.

:

00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:50,399

Maybe it was even a Cadillac,

but It was a convertible and

:

00:52:50,399 --> 00:52:51,879

it had a disco ball, but with

:

00:52:52,014 --> 00:52:52,914

Pool Scene Podcast: It popped me.

:

00:52:53,429 --> 00:52:54,129

Katie: doll heads.

:

00:52:55,124 --> 00:52:57,564

Pool Scene Podcast: There's a

lot of symbolism in this movie.

:

00:52:57,564 --> 00:53:01,014

I mean, we get a group of people

called the Surgical Failures.

:

00:53:01,054 --> 00:53:02,204

Yeah, with Bruce Campbell.

:

00:53:02,234 --> 00:53:04,084

With Bruce Campbell, but Yeah.

:

00:53:04,739 --> 00:53:07,979

Katie: the, well, that it.

:

00:53:07,989 --> 00:53:10,489

was, there because

there's, there was in the

:

00:53:10,489 --> 00:53:14,059

original, there was like the the

people who like eat other people,

:

00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:15,559

the crazies or whatever they

:

00:53:15,734 --> 00:53:16,144

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

00:53:16,334 --> 00:53:17,094

Yeah, the crazies.

:

00:53:17,889 --> 00:53:18,439

Katie: in this.

:

00:53:18,459 --> 00:53:18,729

It's

:

00:53:18,729 --> 00:53:19,649

You know, Now,

:

00:53:19,959 --> 00:53:24,429

Beverly Hills is like the bad

part of town, which is ironic.

:

00:53:24,429 --> 00:53:24,809

Right?

:

00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:26,339

And it's all these people.

:

00:53:26,349 --> 00:53:26,849

I felt

:

00:53:26,859 --> 00:53:28,499

like it was a commentary on

:

00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:29,679

Beverly Hills, plastic

:

00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:30,829

surgery because it was

:

00:53:30,879 --> 00:53:32,539

everybody had been there.

:

00:53:32,539 --> 00:53:36,089

All their faces are all ruined by bad

:

00:53:36,554 --> 00:53:37,464

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah,

you have to have contact

:

00:53:37,904 --> 00:53:38,854

plastic surgery.

:

00:53:39,309 --> 00:53:39,869

Katie: And so they,

:

00:53:40,299 --> 00:53:43,149

they kidnap people to use

their spare body parts.

:

00:53:43,289 --> 00:53:44,399

I thought it was kind of funny,

:

00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:46,129

but yeah, it can't be indeed.

:

00:53:46,769 --> 00:53:48,029

But yeah, that Georges.

:

00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:52,219

I feel like that's a French

name that I'm mispronouncing.

:

00:53:52,229 --> 00:53:52,809

Apologies.

:

00:53:52,989 --> 00:53:56,909

He is, I think to your point, yeah,

like Spanish or French, French.

:

00:53:57,879 --> 00:54:00,079

So he's a notable box office draw in

:

00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:00,929

Greece, Spain,

:

00:54:00,969 --> 00:54:01,789

and France

:

00:54:02,349 --> 00:54:06,229

where he lives and is a

popular celebrity there.

:

00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,739

But I don't think he's really

:

00:54:07,954 --> 00:54:08,254

Pool Scene Podcast: it.

:

00:54:08,264 --> 00:54:08,574

John

:

00:54:09,404 --> 00:54:13,014

Carpenter found a deep cut, he's like,

How can I get into this Greek market?

:

00:54:13,014 --> 00:54:14,044

Let's get this dude.

:

00:54:15,354 --> 00:54:16,364

Is he gonna be Greek?

:

00:54:16,464 --> 00:54:18,274

Oh, contrairement frere.

:

00:54:18,304 --> 00:54:19,244

He's gonna be J.

:

00:54:19,414 --> 00:54:20,284

Guevara.

:

00:54:20,284 --> 00:54:20,754

Yeah!

:

00:54:21,649 --> 00:54:22,569

Katie: and that is who he plays.

:

00:54:23,404 --> 00:54:24,024

For sure.

:

00:54:24,614 --> 00:54:25,014

They never

:

00:54:25,014 --> 00:54:25,784

say her name, but

:

00:54:25,794 --> 00:54:27,484

Brazen is the,

:

00:54:27,484 --> 00:54:29,804

it's like the commander's

right hand woman.

:

00:54:31,224 --> 00:54:31,604

You know who I'm

:

00:54:31,614 --> 00:54:31,974

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

00:54:32,014 --> 00:54:32,474

Yeah.

:

00:54:32,874 --> 00:54:33,154

Katie: I don't,

:

00:54:33,334 --> 00:54:34,024

Pool Scene Podcast: Michelle Forbes?

:

00:54:34,254 --> 00:54:34,724

Yeah.

:

00:54:35,034 --> 00:54:37,734

Someone you recognize

from a bunch of stuff.

:

00:54:38,014 --> 00:54:38,254

Star Trek.

:

00:54:38,314 --> 00:54:38,454

I

:

00:54:38,454 --> 00:54:39,534

know her from Star Trek.

:

00:54:39,534 --> 00:54:40,774

She was Ensign Roe Laren.

:

00:54:40,884 --> 00:54:41,104

that's,

:

00:54:41,104 --> 00:54:42,574

how I remember Michelle Forbes.

:

00:54:42,749 --> 00:54:44,139

Yeah.

:

00:54:44,154 --> 00:54:45,734

Katie: of stuff mostly TV,

:

00:54:45,734 --> 00:54:46,744

but long running.

:

00:54:46,744 --> 00:54:48,144

She plays characters

:

00:54:48,154 --> 00:54:48,334

that

:

00:54:48,334 --> 00:54:49,474

last a long time.

:

00:54:50,004 --> 00:54:51,834

I think she got her

start in Guiding Light.

:

00:54:52,164 --> 00:54:53,414

I never watched that, but she played

:

00:54:53,414 --> 00:54:54,504

Sunny in Guiding Light.

:

00:54:55,049 --> 00:54:55,959

Um, she was

:

00:54:55,959 --> 00:54:56,929

in the show, the

:

00:54:56,929 --> 00:54:57,609

killing

:

00:54:57,899 --> 00:55:01,859

also true blood homicide

life on the street and 24.

:

00:55:02,839 --> 00:55:03,529

Pool Scene Podcast: She's in one of the

:

00:55:03,789 --> 00:55:04,929

Hunger Games movies,

:

00:55:04,949 --> 00:55:06,309

Katie: She is yes.

:

00:55:06,779 --> 00:55:07,479

Michelle Forbes,

:

00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:09,299

Pool Scene Podcast: plays

like a similar character.

:

00:55:09,919 --> 00:55:14,719

Katie: and then we have Pam Greer

playing a transgender woman.

:

00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,439

Pool Scene Podcast: Ahead of its time!

:

00:55:16,699 --> 00:55:17,829

Katie: ahead of its time.

:

00:55:17,999 --> 00:55:19,649

Hershey is her name.

:

00:55:19,819 --> 00:55:20,079

A.

:

00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:20,439

K.

:

00:55:20,439 --> 00:55:20,449

A.

:

00:55:21,689 --> 00:55:23,059

so, you know, how in

:

00:55:23,069 --> 00:55:23,219

the

:

00:55:23,219 --> 00:55:23,509

1st

:

00:55:23,539 --> 00:55:25,159

movie snake

:

00:55:25,219 --> 00:55:26,799

meets what was the guy?

:

00:55:26,849 --> 00:55:28,469

Oh, I'm forgetting his name who

:

00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:29,249

you can tell that.

:

00:55:29,989 --> 00:55:30,459

Yes.

:

00:55:31,149 --> 00:55:31,609

Brain

:

00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:32,849

Pool Scene Podcast: was Brain and Maggie.

:

00:55:32,929 --> 00:55:33,679

Katie: yes, who

:

00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:35,089

he had and The name of the

:

00:55:35,149 --> 00:55:36,539

actor I can picture him, but it's

:

00:55:36,929 --> 00:55:37,559

Pool Scene Podcast: Harry Dean

:

00:55:37,919 --> 00:55:39,239

Katie: Yes, thank you.

:

00:55:39,699 --> 00:55:40,169

So that

:

00:55:40,169 --> 00:55:41,309

was the character that they

:

00:55:41,309 --> 00:55:43,109

knew in a past life and.

:

00:55:43,854 --> 00:55:45,304

Harry Dean Stanton screwed him over.

:

00:55:45,304 --> 00:55:46,904

Well, that's who Pam Greer

:

00:55:46,904 --> 00:55:47,354

plays

:

00:55:47,789 --> 00:55:48,029

Pool Scene Podcast: Yep.

:

00:55:48,089 --> 00:55:48,749

The counterpart in.

:

00:55:48,749 --> 00:55:49,259

this movie.

:

00:55:49,289 --> 00:55:49,589

Yep.

:

00:55:49,869 --> 00:55:51,489

Jack Carjack Malone.

:

00:55:51,729 --> 00:55:52,809

Jack slash

:

00:55:53,154 --> 00:55:53,924

Katie: Malone

:

00:55:54,484 --> 00:55:55,719

Pool Scene Podcast: Carjack Malone.

:

00:55:55,904 --> 00:55:56,584

Katie: Malone

:

00:55:57,064 --> 00:55:58,094

but Hershey.

:

00:55:58,154 --> 00:55:58,624

Yeah.

:

00:55:58,674 --> 00:55:59,104

Yeah.

:

00:55:59,144 --> 00:55:59,614

Oh, yeah.

:

00:55:59,614 --> 00:56:00,474

That that.

:

00:56:00,844 --> 00:56:03,454

plus map map to the stars, Eddie.

:

00:56:03,964 --> 00:56:07,829

and then so Hershey has

her own little gang.

:

00:56:07,879 --> 00:56:08,069

It's,

:

00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:09,059

like little

:

00:56:09,689 --> 00:56:10,419

Tokyo.

:

00:56:11,439 --> 00:56:15,009

But no, that wouldn't make sense because

the, her main guy is called Saigon Shadow.

:

00:56:15,674 --> 00:56:16,064

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

00:56:16,484 --> 00:56:17,474

The guy from everything

:

00:56:18,104 --> 00:56:18,949

that guy was in.

:

00:56:19,644 --> 00:56:20,694

All two of them.

:

00:56:21,174 --> 00:56:24,994

Were in big trouble, little

China because they were a part.

:

00:56:25,024 --> 00:56:25,854

One was a part of

:

00:56:25,904 --> 00:56:29,274

the Chang sings and the other one

was a part of the Wing Kong low

:

00:56:29,274 --> 00:56:33,324

pans army, but most of those guys

you will see in every, in every,

:

00:56:33,324 --> 00:56:35,664

especially John Carpenter movies.

:

00:56:35,674 --> 00:56:38,004

That guy, I think the one

was in dango and cash too.

:

00:56:38,004 --> 00:56:38,704

So it's yeah,

:

00:56:38,904 --> 00:56:39,314

Katie: yeah.

:

00:56:39,884 --> 00:56:44,514

The actor's name is Jeff Imada he's

actually like most known cause

:

00:56:44,514 --> 00:56:45,814

he's actually a martial artist.

:

00:56:45,824 --> 00:56:45,944

so.

:

00:56:45,944 --> 00:56:47,844

he's known mostly for, he's like,

:

00:56:47,844 --> 00:56:50,054

a stunt coordinator and a tech advisor.

:

00:56:50,694 --> 00:56:56,674

Um, and yeah, he was a technical advisor

for Tango and Cash or one of them anyway.

:

00:56:56,804 --> 00:56:57,204

Mhm.

:

00:56:58,274 --> 00:57:02,474

Cliff Robertson plays the, president and.

:

00:57:03,499 --> 00:57:05,559

He's really like his face is

:

00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:06,869

familiar and he

:

00:57:06,879 --> 00:57:07,559

actually won an

:

00:57:07,569 --> 00:57:09,909

Oscar and for is it

:

00:57:09,909 --> 00:57:11,999

Charlie from:

:

00:57:12,189 --> 00:57:13,579

C

:

00:57:15,654 --> 00:57:15,914

Pool Scene Podcast: I,

:

00:57:16,049 --> 00:57:17,069

Katie: R L Y

:

00:57:17,724 --> 00:57:18,714

Pool Scene Podcast: he's been in.

:

00:57:19,064 --> 00:57:23,194

He's been in like a lot of those roles

where he's like a secondary character.

:

00:57:23,404 --> 00:57:26,584

I can remember him from certain things,

but I appreciate the fact this time

:

00:57:26,954 --> 00:57:28,984

we just have him known as the president.

:

00:57:28,994 --> 00:57:29,824

Unlike Donald Pleasant.

:

00:57:29,914 --> 00:57:33,304

So the first one where he, his name

was John Harker, but you never knew

:

00:57:33,304 --> 00:57:34,564

it because they never said his name.

:

00:57:34,864 --> 00:57:36,224

This guy was just president.

:

00:57:36,544 --> 00:57:37,064

That's it.

:

00:57:37,699 --> 00:57:38,279

Katie: President.

:

00:57:38,339 --> 00:57:38,589

and

:

00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:39,549

actually to your

:

00:57:39,549 --> 00:57:44,509

point about Donald Pleasence,

he died during filming.

:

00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,124

He was originally slated to star in this,

:

00:57:47,164 --> 00:57:48,864

but he died in:

:

00:57:48,874 --> 00:57:49,784

during filming.

:

00:57:50,194 --> 00:57:53,424

So that's when they brought in Cliff

Robertson to take over the role.

:

00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:54,799

Pool Scene Podcast: makes sense then.

:

00:57:55,684 --> 00:57:56,574

Katie: and Kurt

:

00:57:56,684 --> 00:57:57,404

said that he

:

00:57:57,414 --> 00:57:58,734

based him on, cause he's like a

:

00:57:58,734 --> 00:57:59,824

theocrat, based him

:

00:57:59,824 --> 00:58:02,224

on Who's that televangelist

that died not that

:

00:58:02,224 --> 00:58:02,794

long ago?

:

00:58:02,869 --> 00:58:03,809

Pool Scene Podcast: Billy Graham.

:

00:58:04,184 --> 00:58:05,194

Katie: No, Pat

:

00:58:05,194 --> 00:58:06,414

Robertson, I want to say.

:

00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:07,209

Pool Scene Podcast: Robertson.

:

00:58:07,249 --> 00:58:07,489

Yeah.

:

00:58:07,489 --> 00:58:07,659

You're

:

00:58:07,894 --> 00:58:09,764

Katie: who his character

is kind of based on.

:

00:58:11,059 --> 00:58:11,709

Pool Scene Podcast: It's perfect.

:

00:58:11,874 --> 00:58:12,254

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:58:12,484 --> 00:58:15,174

There are some things in this movie,

watching it now, that I'm like, oh, that's

:

00:58:15,174 --> 00:58:17,204

very prescient for what's going on now.

:

00:58:17,904 --> 00:58:20,334

Um, trying to make America a theocracy

:

00:58:20,334 --> 00:58:20,924

and such.

:

00:58:21,484 --> 00:58:26,604

Um, we get Peter Fonda

as like a surfer dude.

:

00:58:26,604 --> 00:58:29,284

No,

:

00:58:29,299 --> 00:58:31,519

Pool Scene Podcast: is, is I

looked at the cast on Wikipedia

:

00:58:31,569 --> 00:58:33,759

and it says Breckenmeyer as surfer.

:

00:58:34,189 --> 00:58:37,169

So I was watching out for

Breckenmeyer cause I had the

:

00:58:37,169 --> 00:58:38,199

notes open while I'm looking

:

00:58:38,479 --> 00:58:38,599

and

:

00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:41,539

I'm like, that's definitely

not Breckenmeyer, that's Peter.

:

00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:42,289

He

:

00:58:42,289 --> 00:58:44,669

had to have been in the

back or another surfer.

:

00:58:44,669 --> 00:58:45,129

Yeah.

:

00:58:45,484 --> 00:58:45,854

Katie: the member

:

00:58:45,854 --> 00:58:51,454

that 1 really quick scene when snake

1st arrives in his submarine that also

:

00:58:51,609 --> 00:58:51,889

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

00:58:52,254 --> 00:58:55,374

Yeah.

:

00:58:55,464 --> 00:58:57,584

Katie: to find another

way back to civilization.

:

00:58:58,144 --> 00:58:59,004

There's a quick

:

00:58:59,034 --> 00:59:00,884

scene where there's a bunch of surfers.

:

00:59:00,884 --> 00:59:02,619

Yeah.

:

00:59:02,619 --> 00:59:04,354

Also.

:

00:59:04,434 --> 00:59:06,434

Pool Scene Podcast: That's the

counterpart to the first movie

:

00:59:06,434 --> 00:59:07,844

when he uses the hand glider.

:

00:59:07,854 --> 00:59:08,364

That's right.

:

00:59:08,374 --> 00:59:08,594

Kind of same

:

00:59:08,884 --> 00:59:09,544

technology.

:

00:59:09,554 --> 00:59:10,314

Hand glider last time.

:

00:59:11,034 --> 00:59:11,334

Yep.

:

00:59:11,464 --> 00:59:11,754

Katie: Yep.

:

00:59:11,754 --> 00:59:12,274

There's a

:

00:59:13,064 --> 00:59:14,334

Pool Scene Podcast: also falls off.

:

00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:15,019

All right.

:

00:59:15,019 --> 00:59:19,229

Shout out to the:

computer generated graphics.

:

00:59:19,229 --> 00:59:20,519

Let's not shout those out.

:

00:59:20,579 --> 00:59:21,219

Wow.

:

00:59:21,424 --> 00:59:22,524

Katie: I found it.

:

00:59:22,574 --> 00:59:26,764

I almost thought they did it

on purpose because I was yeah,

:

00:59:26,774 --> 00:59:27,254

It, it

:

00:59:27,264 --> 00:59:31,844

was bad, but on purpose bad

or was it supposed to be good?

:

00:59:32,649 --> 00:59:33,949

Pool Scene Podcast: they

they saved some money.

:

00:59:33,989 --> 00:59:34,369

Yeah.

:

00:59:34,429 --> 00:59:34,859

They saved some money.

:

00:59:34,859 --> 00:59:37,979

This is an era of film that we're

always going to be able to look back at.

:

00:59:37,999 --> 00:59:41,979

Like now we get like 4k

remaster of wizard of Oz.

:

00:59:41,979 --> 00:59:45,883

But if you like, I don't think we're

going to get a 4k remaster of it.

:

00:59:45,883 --> 00:59:46,474

It's different about that.

:

00:59:46,764 --> 00:59:50,544

Look at the CG in this, look at

Russell Crowe and virtuosity.

:

00:59:50,564 --> 00:59:51,814

It's just that level.

:

00:59:51,814 --> 00:59:52,634

Oh, like Lawnmower Man.

:

00:59:52,634 --> 00:59:53,714

Lawnmower Man.

:

00:59:54,104 --> 00:59:54,904

Oh yeah.

:

00:59:54,984 --> 00:59:57,084

Just the quality of, of this.

:

00:59:57,334 --> 00:59:59,644

But at the time we're like,

Oh my God, this looks great.

:

00:59:59,724 --> 01:00:01,084

I always love when you can,

:

01:00:01,434 --> 01:00:04,084

Easily point out someone's in

front of a green screen because

:

01:00:04,084 --> 01:00:05,067

of the trimming and stuff.

:

01:00:05,067 --> 01:00:06,354

Yeah, you get the

trimming and the outline.

:

01:00:06,404 --> 01:00:06,624

Oh, it's

:

01:00:06,774 --> 01:00:07,524

Katie: Well, he serves.

:

01:00:08,049 --> 01:00:10,359

Doesn't know how to surf, but he, Peter,

:

01:00:10,539 --> 01:00:13,009

Peter, uh, Peter Fonda is like,

well, you're going to, this is

:

01:00:13,009 --> 01:00:13,859

how you're going to get out.

:

01:00:13,949 --> 01:00:14,909

And you just

:

01:00:14,909 --> 01:00:15,659

do this, do this.

:

01:00:15,659 --> 01:00:16,509

And he's like, got it.

:

01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:17,169

No problem.

:

01:00:17,319 --> 01:00:17,969

And he does.

:

01:00:18,259 --> 01:00:21,079

And he surfs his way up

to where the highway is

:

01:00:21,489 --> 01:00:21,689

to

:

01:00:21,834 --> 01:00:23,754

Pool Scene Podcast: Eddie

Mavistar does not even

:

01:00:24,034 --> 01:00:26,214

seem to notice this

giant wave next to him.

:

01:00:26,264 --> 01:00:27,714

No, he sees him and he's oh,

:

01:00:28,174 --> 01:00:29,894

he's Eventually he sees

him and then, yeah,

:

01:00:30,649 --> 01:00:30,999

Katie: He

:

01:00:31,009 --> 01:00:31,779

ends up

:

01:00:32,479 --> 01:00:36,679

somehow jumping from the wave

into the convertible car.

:

01:00:36,839 --> 01:00:37,169

That

:

01:00:37,279 --> 01:00:38,289

Eddie is driving.

:

01:00:38,359 --> 01:00:38,809

Mm hmm.

:

01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:40,449

So that's Peter Fonda.

:

01:00:40,449 --> 01:00:43,059

Now, speaking of surfers, another one,

:

01:00:43,759 --> 01:00:44,899

have you guys heard of Bo

:

01:00:44,899 --> 01:00:46,629

Jesse Christopher, which is

:

01:00:46,979 --> 01:00:50,009

an awesome name that I brought up in my

point break episode because he was in

:

01:00:50,184 --> 01:00:50,794

Pool Scene Podcast: great name.

:

01:00:52,194 --> 01:00:53,314

No, that's a great name though.

:

01:00:53,314 --> 01:00:54,464

No, I don't remember.

:

01:00:54,999 --> 01:00:57,229

Katie: he was also one of the surfers

:

01:00:57,279 --> 01:00:57,509

because

:

01:00:57,509 --> 01:00:59,149

he in real life is a surfer.

:

01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:00,599

Thus being in point break.

:

01:01:00,649 --> 01:01:00,689

Awesome.

:

01:01:01,394 --> 01:01:03,254

Pool Scene Podcast: They needed

Kelly Slater in this movie.

:

01:01:03,294 --> 01:01:03,984

That's what they really needed.

:

01:01:03,984 --> 01:01:05,774

They should have had the

Point Break Surf Team.

:

01:01:05,784 --> 01:01:06,644

Yeah, why not?

:

01:01:06,644 --> 01:01:08,694

With Adam Habody and Rorke Child.

:

01:01:09,174 --> 01:01:09,724

Yeah.

:

01:01:09,744 --> 01:01:09,964

Anthony Kiedis.

:

01:01:10,654 --> 01:01:13,024

Katie: So then another person that

:

01:01:13,024 --> 01:01:13,924

he meets along the

:

01:01:13,924 --> 01:01:14,404

way,

:

01:01:14,994 --> 01:01:17,634

her name and the reason

that she's there is

:

01:01:17,634 --> 01:01:18,744

because she's Muslim.

:

01:01:18,834 --> 01:01:20,344

That's that's her moral

:

01:01:20,644 --> 01:01:21,854

Pool Scene Podcast: favorite

character in the movie.

:

01:01:21,964 --> 01:01:22,764

Katie: Taslima.

:

01:01:23,394 --> 01:01:23,764

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

01:01:23,864 --> 01:01:29,644

Oh, Valerie Galino only in

the movie for a few minutes.

:

01:01:30,124 --> 01:01:30,854

It's very brief,

:

01:01:31,024 --> 01:01:31,714

Katie: right away.

:

01:01:32,304 --> 01:01:35,534

Pool Scene Podcast: but we get

like the most poignant commentary

:

01:01:35,564 --> 01:01:37,794

from her, from her, where she says

:

01:01:38,464 --> 01:01:40,574

basically like LA is not.

:

01:01:41,139 --> 01:01:41,909

The prison,

:

01:01:42,189 --> 01:01:44,319

the rest of the United

States is the prison.

:

01:01:44,359 --> 01:01:45,669

You know, what's amazing about her.

:

01:01:45,669 --> 01:01:48,769

She had her moment in

time, like 94, 95, 96.

:

01:01:48,769 --> 01:01:51,259

She was on like hot shots,

art, hot shots, part do.

:

01:01:51,699 --> 01:01:52,099

She was,

:

01:01:52,729 --> 01:01:54,109

she seemed to be.

:

01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,289

On the way to being that

:

01:01:56,449 --> 01:01:58,049

Kelly LeBrock of the:

:

01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:00,789

I mean, I can kind of

compare her to Salma Hayek.

:

01:02:00,789 --> 01:02:02,119

Yes, I can see that.

:

01:02:02,899 --> 01:02:04,249

You know, and a few others.

:

01:02:04,459 --> 01:02:07,799

But it's like she was there and then

she, then she, poof, she's gone.

:

01:02:07,949 --> 01:02:09,749

Katie: She was in Rain Man also.

:

01:02:10,669 --> 01:02:12,019

But yeah, Valerie

:

01:02:12,059 --> 01:02:12,669

Golina.

:

01:02:12,699 --> 01:02:13,499

I Didn't really

:

01:02:13,499 --> 01:02:17,939

recognize her, but yeah, she gets

shot right after she says the poignant

:

01:02:17,959 --> 01:02:18,819

Pool Scene Podcast: It's insane.

:

01:02:19,259 --> 01:02:19,909

It's insane.

:

01:02:19,939 --> 01:02:20,319

Yeah.

:

01:02:20,339 --> 01:02:21,609

He meets her in the bushes.

:

01:02:21,619 --> 01:02:23,339

She gets killed by the Honda gang.

:

01:02:23,339 --> 01:02:23,769

Yeah.

:

01:02:23,799 --> 01:02:24,569

What a way to go.

:

01:02:25,419 --> 01:02:25,959

Come on.

:

01:02:27,169 --> 01:02:31,119

Katie: Did you guys notice that Jamie

Lee Curtis also narrated this one?

:

01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:31,909

So she narrated

:

01:02:31,989 --> 01:02:33,869

Pool Scene Podcast: was wondering

if that was her gang too.

:

01:02:33,879 --> 01:02:34,349

I didn't think about it.

:

01:02:34,349 --> 01:02:34,909

That makes sense.

:

01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:39,119

Katie: Jamie Lee Curtis, we get back

and there was one other bit role that

:

01:02:39,129 --> 01:02:39,984

I I

:

01:02:40,529 --> 01:02:41,288

Pool Scene Podcast: I think

I know where you're going.

:

01:02:41,614 --> 01:02:43,974

Katie: because I was like,

Oh my God, is that him?

:

01:02:44,384 --> 01:02:46,084

Do you guys know who the skinhead is?

:

01:02:46,759 --> 01:02:48,749

Pool Scene Podcast: Louis

Skolnick, Robert Carradine,

:

01:02:48,874 --> 01:02:49,034

Katie: Yes.

:

01:02:49,099 --> 01:02:50,029

Pool Scene Podcast: Revenge of the Nerds.

:

01:02:50,788 --> 01:02:52,329

I knew it as soon as I saw him.

:

01:02:52,369 --> 01:02:55,299

I don't remember it from, I saw

this movie a bunch growing up on

:

01:02:55,299 --> 01:02:58,319

cable, but I don't ever remember

recognizing Robert Carradine,

:

01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:00,079

but as soon as I saw him in this,

:

01:03:00,734 --> 01:03:02,214

I'm like, Hey, that's Robert Carradine.

:

01:03:02,224 --> 01:03:05,663

Very disconcerting knowing that

Lewis Skolnick is a skinhead.

:

01:03:05,874 --> 01:03:06,794

It's kind of sad

:

01:03:07,274 --> 01:03:07,524

Katie: yeah.

:

01:03:07,594 --> 01:03:10,654

Pool Scene Podcast: him just do a

bit of art for five seconds, too.

:

01:03:11,234 --> 01:03:13,194

You have to remember, too, at this time,

:

01:03:13,824 --> 01:03:19,274

he was still Because I can remember

seeing Revenge of the Nerds 4 was released

:

01:03:19,564 --> 01:03:21,034

on Fox, Nerds and Love.

:

01:03:21,174 --> 01:03:21,484

Yes!

:

01:03:21,824 --> 01:03:24,074

God, it was It

:

01:03:24,454 --> 01:03:27,913

was right around this

time, like 95, 94, 95.

:

01:03:28,194 --> 01:03:29,324

It came on Fox.

:

01:03:29,324 --> 01:03:30,594

I was like at eight o'clock night.

:

01:03:30,594 --> 01:03:32,174

I was like, Oh my God, new revenge.

:

01:03:32,264 --> 01:03:33,304

The third one was bad.

:

01:03:33,304 --> 01:03:34,514

It was a new generation

:

01:03:34,824 --> 01:03:36,594

on par with the saved by the bell movies.

:

01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:38,339

Katie: Oh, the first

:

01:03:38,349 --> 01:03:39,839

two are really good though.

:

01:03:40,424 --> 01:03:40,644

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

01:03:40,644 --> 01:03:41,154

Oh, yes.

:

01:03:41,163 --> 01:03:41,534

Yeah.

:

01:03:41,534 --> 01:03:42,304

Slam dunks.

:

01:03:42,324 --> 01:03:42,834

Amazing.

:

01:03:42,864 --> 01:03:43,544

Slam dunks.

:

01:03:43,909 --> 01:03:45,099

Katie: You don't really recognize him.

:

01:03:45,099 --> 01:03:45,989

He doesn't have the glasses.

:

01:03:45,989 --> 01:03:47,229

He's got his head shaved.

:

01:03:47,229 --> 01:03:48,369

And, but I was like, Oh my God,

:

01:03:48,409 --> 01:03:49,219

that's the guy.

:

01:03:49,569 --> 01:03:52,469

And I looked it up and maybe I'm

the last person on earth to know

:

01:03:52,469 --> 01:03:54,529

this, but I didn't know that,

:

01:03:54,579 --> 01:03:55,169

He's Keith

:

01:03:55,189 --> 01:04:00,499

Carradine's brother and that David

Carradine is their half brother.

:

01:04:00,969 --> 01:04:01,979

I didn't know that

:

01:04:02,754 --> 01:04:03,764

Pool Scene Podcast: so crazy.

:

01:04:03,904 --> 01:04:04,834

Of all people,

:

01:04:05,294 --> 01:04:06,094

Louis Skolnick.

:

01:04:06,163 --> 01:04:08,191

He'll always be Louis Skolnick to me.

:

01:04:08,191 --> 01:04:09,254

No matter what.

:

01:04:09,254 --> 01:04:11,733

I'm never calling him his real name.

:

01:04:11,733 --> 01:04:12,442

It's not.

:

01:04:12,442 --> 01:04:12,796

He's

:

01:04:12,904 --> 01:04:14,134

Katie: He is always Lewis.

:

01:04:14,254 --> 01:04:14,744

All right, you

:

01:04:14,921 --> 01:04:15,984

Pool Scene Podcast: our way back

:

01:04:19,444 --> 01:04:20,024

to goose.

:

01:04:20,094 --> 01:04:20,674

Always.

:

01:04:21,264 --> 01:04:21,904

Katie: Did you think that

:

01:04:21,904 --> 01:04:23,224

Kurt's voice was different

:

01:04:23,224 --> 01:04:24,994

in this or did I make that up?

:

01:04:24,994 --> 01:04:26,004

Like more

:

01:04:26,474 --> 01:04:27,284

Pool Scene Podcast: It was less,

:

01:04:27,464 --> 01:04:28,284

Katie: raspy.

:

01:04:28,844 --> 01:04:31,074

Pool Scene Podcast: it was less,

you know, I feel like maybe

:

01:04:31,074 --> 01:04:32,344

talked a little bit louder.

:

01:04:33,554 --> 01:04:35,514

That he did in the first call me snake.

:

01:04:35,524 --> 01:04:37,163

He didn't really do any of that.

:

01:04:37,163 --> 01:04:37,964

I like stay at home.

:

01:04:38,104 --> 01:04:38,594

Yeah.

:

01:04:38,924 --> 01:04:39,804

Call me snake.

:

01:04:39,874 --> 01:04:40,124

That

:

01:04:40,444 --> 01:04:41,744

if there was a Statham

:

01:04:42,814 --> 01:04:43,784

snake Plissken,

:

01:04:44,344 --> 01:04:44,944

I'd be fine.

:

01:04:44,994 --> 01:04:45,964

I would be fine with that.

:

01:04:46,004 --> 01:04:47,024

But we also said

:

01:04:47,354 --> 01:04:49,854

we would never want escape

from New York remade

:

01:04:50,244 --> 01:04:52,004

unless it's Kurt Russell's son.

:

01:04:52,044 --> 01:04:52,413

Why?

:

01:04:52,544 --> 01:04:52,874

Yeah.

:

01:04:52,874 --> 01:04:53,794

Unless it's Wyatt.

:

01:04:54,034 --> 01:04:55,374

We don't want to ever see a remake.

:

01:04:56,491 --> 01:04:59,521

Katie: Speaking of which,

what happened to New York?

:

01:05:01,401 --> 01:05:02,931

Pool Scene Podcast: They

don't really, he escaped.

:

01:05:03,191 --> 01:05:06,081

Katie: No, I mean, like

now LA is the prison.

:

01:05:06,371 --> 01:05:08,621

You know what I mean,

what happened to New York?

:

01:05:09,811 --> 01:05:12,031

Pool Scene Podcast: we theorized

on this a little bit because

:

01:05:13,541 --> 01:05:13,771

I

:

01:05:13,771 --> 01:05:17,921

think there's a lot of these

prisons, but LA seems to be

:

01:05:17,921 --> 01:05:20,281

like the, the West coast hub.

:

01:05:20,321 --> 01:05:20,771

Yeah.

:

01:05:20,801 --> 01:05:23,521

Because we hear so much about

Cleveland in this movie.

:

01:05:23,831 --> 01:05:26,711

Like every other, every other scene

is like, how did you get out of

:

01:05:26,711 --> 01:05:28,346

Cleveland and Cleveland and Cleveland?

:

01:05:28,716 --> 01:05:33,496

So there seems to be a regional

prisons all over the country,

:

01:05:34,531 --> 01:05:35,141

Katie: Okay.

:

01:05:35,386 --> 01:05:36,756

Pool Scene Podcast: is the main one.

:

01:05:36,916 --> 01:05:40,606

God, I wish this didn't bomb and it,

they didn't do escape from earth.

:

01:05:41,066 --> 01:05:43,436

Have them return, call

it return to Cleveland.

:

01:05:43,736 --> 01:05:45,976

Like I need to know what

happened in Cleveland.

:

01:05:47,211 --> 01:05:47,751

Katie: I agree.

:

01:05:47,771 --> 01:05:47,991

Yeah.

:

01:05:47,991 --> 01:05:49,601

I was like, am I missing something?

:

01:05:49,601 --> 01:05:51,341

What's with the Cleveland references?

:

01:05:52,631 --> 01:05:53,221

And they don't

:

01:05:53,221 --> 01:05:54,711

even really, I'm

:

01:05:54,711 --> 01:05:57,031

calling it a prison incorrectly.

:

01:05:57,621 --> 01:05:59,991

It's, it's that you are deported

:

01:06:00,721 --> 01:06:01,011

to LA.

:

01:06:02,116 --> 01:06:02,366

So I

:

01:06:02,366 --> 01:06:03,686

don't know if somehow

:

01:06:03,686 --> 01:06:05,126

Pool Scene Podcast: morally depraved.

:

01:06:06,056 --> 01:06:06,886

Katie: By smoking

:

01:06:07,596 --> 01:06:08,026

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

01:06:08,306 --> 01:06:09,006

Oh my God.

:

01:06:09,681 --> 01:06:14,821

We caught Shannon in a corner there

ripping a dart or Marlboro the Porter ass

:

01:06:15,501 --> 01:06:15,881

Yeah,

:

01:06:16,761 --> 01:06:18,911

I like that Disneyland still there.

:

01:06:18,931 --> 01:06:23,241

Although Cuervo calls it Happy Kingdom.

:

01:06:23,981 --> 01:06:25,101

You can't get those copyright.

:

01:06:25,271 --> 01:06:25,311

You

:

01:06:25,456 --> 01:06:26,066

Katie: they couldn't.

:

01:06:26,066 --> 01:06:26,646

Yeah, you're right.

:

01:06:26,646 --> 01:06:28,606

That's why happy the happy kingdom.

:

01:06:30,056 --> 01:06:31,866

So Do you have different thoughts?

:

01:06:31,866 --> 01:06:33,296

Cause this was my first viewing.

:

01:06:33,706 --> 01:06:35,626

So you guys, I assume watched it pretty

:

01:06:35,626 --> 01:06:36,196

recently.

:

01:06:36,206 --> 01:06:37,246

Do you feel,

:

01:06:37,396 --> 01:06:41,936

how do you feel about it now

versus historic remembrings of it?

:

01:06:42,506 --> 01:06:45,016

Pool Scene Podcast: I will always

say, I appreciate the fact, Katie,

:

01:06:45,016 --> 01:06:47,526

that you saw both these movies fresh.

:

01:06:47,716 --> 01:06:47,996

Yeah.

:

01:06:48,016 --> 01:06:48,986

So it's a great fresh

:

01:06:49,526 --> 01:06:50,916

perspective, which is great.

:

01:06:51,006 --> 01:06:53,726

I saw this a number of times

growing up and always kind of

:

01:06:53,726 --> 01:06:57,326

enjoyed it, but the scene that

stood out was always basketball.

:

01:06:57,636 --> 01:06:58,586

Basketball and surfing.

:

01:06:58,776 --> 01:06:59,426

And surfing.

:

01:06:59,426 --> 01:07:00,466

It's the X Games.

:

01:07:00,686 --> 01:07:05,076

And, but I will say, it's I always

remember, okay, this movie was not

:

01:07:05,076 --> 01:07:08,586

great, but I always liked watching

it for its campiness, and now I will

:

01:07:08,586 --> 01:07:11,286

say, it's not as bad as I remember.

:

01:07:12,046 --> 01:07:12,766

I agree.

:

01:07:12,896 --> 01:07:13,716

It was,

:

01:07:14,036 --> 01:07:17,216

cause this is the first time I've

seen it in probably 15 years.

:

01:07:17,731 --> 01:07:20,811

And we even joked back and forth

listen, the second one is not

:

01:07:21,076 --> 01:07:21,256

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:07:21,256 --> 01:07:22,376

You guys warned me.

:

01:07:23,091 --> 01:07:24,311

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh, but you know what?

:

01:07:24,441 --> 01:07:25,921

I watched it again,

:

01:07:26,341 --> 01:07:29,741

This past weekend with my girlfriend,

because she loves Kurt Russell too,

:

01:07:30,081 --> 01:07:31,091

and she's never seen it.

:

01:07:31,631 --> 01:07:34,571

So the whole time I'm

like, yep, this is the,

:

01:07:35,571 --> 01:07:36,401

the,

:

01:07:37,391 --> 01:07:39,461

the pinnacle of mid 90s.

:

01:07:39,976 --> 01:07:41,576

Let's throw an extreme sports.

:

01:07:41,576 --> 01:07:42,036

Let's

:

01:07:42,606 --> 01:07:45,666

how can we show like our, our CG?

:

01:07:45,686 --> 01:07:47,696

Let's show off some computer graphics.

:

01:07:47,706 --> 01:07:49,306

Let's see how far we've come with that.

:

01:07:49,986 --> 01:07:53,976

But this movie surprisingly

held up a lot better than what

:

01:07:53,976 --> 01:07:55,626

I initially gave it credit for.

:

01:07:55,636 --> 01:08:00,396

I, so some of my concerns with

this one is I don't want to think

:

01:08:01,066 --> 01:08:05,686

that John Carpenter did it as like a

cash grab, which by Because if he did,

:

01:08:05,686 --> 01:08:13,926

it obviously didn't work, but too, it is

a little weird to do the almost beat for

:

01:08:13,936 --> 01:08:19,166

beat, have the same, have counterparts

for everything in this movie versus

:

01:08:19,166 --> 01:08:27,196

what was in New York, because it's not

really a brand new story, but carpenter.

:

01:08:27,506 --> 01:08:32,006

Has even said he loves this way more

than he loved escape from New York.

:

01:08:32,006 --> 01:08:34,185

And it kind of blows my mind.

:

01:08:34,206 --> 01:08:34,416

Like

:

01:08:34,475 --> 01:08:35,546

Katie: I do too.

:

01:08:36,236 --> 01:08:40,006

Pool Scene Podcast: I know it's,

I escaped from New York was such,

:

01:08:40,366 --> 01:08:44,185

I just, it's like a lot of people

will say, and don't get me wrong,

:

01:08:44,225 --> 01:08:46,926

Terminator two is probably one of the

greatest action movies of all time,

:

01:08:47,316 --> 01:08:51,246

but something about that original

Terminator, it seemed gritty in real.

:

01:08:52,111 --> 01:08:54,961

The original escape from New York

was gritty and it seemed real.

:

01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:57,291

And then Terminator 2's catchphrases and.

:

01:08:57,301 --> 01:08:58,281

Yeah, it was more camp.

:

01:08:58,281 --> 01:08:58,931

Bad placement.

:

01:08:58,941 --> 01:09:00,511

Like this, like escape from LA is

:

01:09:00,716 --> 01:09:01,736

Katie: tends to happen.

:

01:09:01,736 --> 01:09:04,906

I feel like with sequels

generally like the Rockies,

:

01:09:05,225 --> 01:09:10,926

you know, Rocky three and Rocky four

are vastly different than the original.

:

01:09:10,946 --> 01:09:11,736

I've and

:

01:09:11,746 --> 01:09:12,386

your

:

01:09:13,095 --> 01:09:13,966

point about Terminator,

:

01:09:13,966 --> 01:09:14,786

I feel like yeah, it

:

01:09:14,826 --> 01:09:17,466

kind of has to be or something.

:

01:09:17,466 --> 01:09:18,166

I don't know.

:

01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,361

Pool Scene Podcast: And then Terminator,

it's slowly coming true with AI.

:

01:09:22,361 --> 01:09:24,501

So Skynet is inevitable.

:

01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:25,411

Go figure.

:

01:09:26,056 --> 01:09:27,606

Katie: What's the story

with the holograms?

:

01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:29,881

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

01:09:29,931 --> 01:09:31,171

They're they're all in on that

:

01:09:31,301 --> 01:09:33,560

at nineties hologram tech.

:

01:09:33,961 --> 01:09:38,791

Well, I, I dig it because this

movie has such a tremendous ending.

:

01:09:38,791 --> 01:09:38,841

Yeah.

:

01:09:39,616 --> 01:09:41,236

I don't know if we want

to get into that yet,

:

01:09:41,406 --> 01:09:42,086

Katie: how about it?

:

01:09:42,156 --> 01:09:47,156

Pool Scene Podcast: as, as snake

gets to LA and he, he knows the deal.

:

01:09:47,406 --> 01:09:50,776

He says, we're doing this again,

just tell me what I got to do.

:

01:09:51,095 --> 01:09:52,676

And he's not cooperative.

:

01:09:53,076 --> 01:09:57,026

So then he actually tries to attack the

president and they're like, what an idiot.

:

01:09:57,066 --> 01:09:58,596

He doesn't know we're holograms.

:

01:09:59,186 --> 01:10:04,046

So then at the end, they've

got a remote, which can

:

01:10:05,416 --> 01:10:06,946

use the satellites.

:

01:10:06,996 --> 01:10:08,836

First off, there's a world code.

:

01:10:08,896 --> 01:10:09,986

There's a world code.

:

01:10:10,696 --> 01:10:11,626

Katie: I love that.

:

01:10:11,816 --> 01:10:12,326

digits.

:

01:10:12,446 --> 01:10:13,046

Only.

:

01:10:13,216 --> 01:10:13,516

Only.

:

01:10:13,516 --> 01:10:13,606

I

:

01:10:13,606 --> 01:10:15,586

love how these codes are only 3 digits.

:

01:10:15,746 --> 01:10:17,676

Pool Scene Podcast: yeah, what

looks like a television remote.

:

01:10:17,696 --> 01:10:20,916

That's got this tiny little disc

in it with a red dot with a red dot

:

01:10:21,846 --> 01:10:24,196

that they put in and you can use.

:

01:10:24,676 --> 01:10:30,586

Satellites orbiting earth to target

any area on earth and use EMPs to

:

01:10:30,586 --> 01:10:33,186

render them back to the stone age.

:

01:10:33,196 --> 01:10:34,746

Exactly, back to the stone age.

:

01:10:34,746 --> 01:10:35,986

So at the end of the movie.

:

01:10:36,751 --> 01:10:43,131

You know, first off you realize snake

is not actually injected with this

:

01:10:43,141 --> 01:10:45,271

virus that he's so afraid of him.

:

01:10:45,271 --> 01:10:45,881

The flu, the

:

01:10:46,151 --> 01:10:47,711

flu, a 24 hour flu

:

01:10:47,976 --> 01:10:49,316

Katie: But that was the deal.

:

01:10:49,376 --> 01:10:49,486

They likened

:

01:10:49,486 --> 01:10:51,165

that.

:

01:10:51,166 --> 01:10:52,856

He thinks he's injected with this

:

01:10:52,866 --> 01:10:53,376

virus.

:

01:10:53,756 --> 01:10:54,176

Just like

:

01:10:54,186 --> 01:10:55,396

last time.

:

01:10:56,381 --> 01:10:57,591

Yes, but what was the deal?

:

01:10:57,591 --> 01:10:59,271

They injected him with

something last time too.

:

01:10:59,271 --> 01:11:00,071

What was the

:

01:11:00,071 --> 01:11:00,901

Pool Scene Podcast: explosives.

:

01:11:00,901 --> 01:11:01,151

Yeah.

:

01:11:01,151 --> 01:11:05,551

They put, they were going to blow up

his carotid yet to blow up his carotid.

:

01:11:05,831 --> 01:11:07,491

So, but that wasn't BS though.

:

01:11:07,511 --> 01:11:08,121

They literally

:

01:11:08,401 --> 01:11:09,461

Katie: They, that's true.

:

01:11:10,041 --> 01:11:10,361

Pool Scene Podcast: yeah.

:

01:11:10,371 --> 01:11:11,211

Inner space.

:

01:11:11,531 --> 01:11:12,151

Yes.

:

01:11:12,721 --> 01:11:13,701

Another great movie.

:

01:11:13,751 --> 01:11:14,331

It is a great movie.

:

01:11:14,341 --> 01:11:14,611

Yeah.

:

01:11:14,611 --> 01:11:15,041

It's a great one.

:

01:11:15,631 --> 01:11:17,101

So at the end of the movie.

:

01:11:18,196 --> 01:11:22,386

You know, he's, he sees

through all their BS about the,

:

01:11:23,236 --> 01:11:29,506

you know, they're just using him, he knows

that, but he appears as a hologram and he

:

01:11:29,506 --> 01:11:34,406

enters the world code and turns the earth

back to stone age, but it's so good, but

:

01:11:34,986 --> 01:11:35,616

I just love.

:

01:11:35,841 --> 01:11:37,101

Katie: they shoot at him and the

:

01:11:37,101 --> 01:11:41,411

reason we find out that he's

a hologram is because He does

:

01:11:41,421 --> 01:11:42,801

that despite the president.

:

01:11:42,811 --> 01:11:45,891

So there again, once again, the

president gets the, thing back

:

01:11:46,231 --> 01:11:47,721

and then he's embarrassed on a

:

01:11:47,721 --> 01:11:49,301

live broadcast

:

01:11:49,311 --> 01:11:49,641

that.

:

01:11:49,861 --> 01:11:52,321

that He got, um, faked

:

01:11:52,421 --> 01:11:53,311

Pool Scene Podcast: You got Eddie's tape

:

01:11:53,771 --> 01:11:54,031

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:11:55,461 --> 01:11:55,911

Yeah.

:

01:11:56,231 --> 01:11:58,021

His tour of the stars tape.

:

01:11:58,051 --> 01:12:01,311

And so on air, the president

says, shoot him, shoot

:

01:12:01,311 --> 01:12:01,661

him.

:

01:12:01,931 --> 01:12:07,121

and they, do, but because he's a

hologram, he's, he doesn't die, obviously.

:

01:12:07,671 --> 01:12:09,921

Pool Scene Podcast: and in

last Jedi, Ryan Johnson steals

:

01:12:09,921 --> 01:12:11,201

this with Luke Skywalker.

:

01:12:11,311 --> 01:12:11,651

Yeah.

:

01:12:11,681 --> 01:12:12,621

They do the same thing.

:

01:12:12,731 --> 01:12:13,031

Yep.

:

01:12:13,081 --> 01:12:14,691

Luke appears as a hologram.

:

01:12:15,401 --> 01:12:17,921

They attack him full out.

:

01:12:18,311 --> 01:12:21,161

And when the smoke clears,

he's still standing there.

:

01:12:21,161 --> 01:12:22,171

They try again.

:

01:12:22,541 --> 01:12:23,551

It's exactly the same.

:

01:12:23,611 --> 01:12:23,871

Yep.

:

01:12:23,871 --> 01:12:25,351

Katie, you got to jump into the Star Wars.

:

01:12:25,971 --> 01:12:26,641

No, don't

:

01:12:26,976 --> 01:12:27,636

Katie: No, I

:

01:12:27,636 --> 01:12:27,866

know.

:

01:12:27,866 --> 01:12:28,166

It's

:

01:12:28,206 --> 01:12:30,256

I feel like I won't like it.

:

01:12:30,256 --> 01:12:33,386

And then people who love it are going

to be annoyed by me not liking it.

:

01:12:33,971 --> 01:12:35,391

Pool Scene Podcast: See,

that's the weird thing.

:

01:12:35,391 --> 01:12:36,971

Like star Wars and stuff like that.

:

01:12:36,971 --> 01:12:39,371

Not so much with Star

Trek, but it's tribalism.

:

01:12:39,441 --> 01:12:39,741

Yeah.

:

01:12:39,741 --> 01:12:42,981

It's Oh, well you do you, Oh, you

don't like Star Wars, but you're

:

01:12:42,981 --> 01:12:44,301

like, you, you, you, it's come on.

:

01:12:44,301 --> 01:12:46,861

People can like, and hate what

they would like, whatever.

:

01:12:46,871 --> 01:12:47,241

You know, it's

:

01:12:47,601 --> 01:12:48,031

aliens.

:

01:12:48,296 --> 01:12:48,736

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:12:49,556 --> 01:12:55,316

I just recently did a bonus episode

on the new Roadhouse remake.

:

01:12:56,276 --> 01:12:59,096

so I was very much in that frame of mind.

:

01:12:59,586 --> 01:12:59,876

And

:

01:12:59,876 --> 01:13:01,016

so there were a few

:

01:13:01,016 --> 01:13:05,496

times that I giggled at I

thought you'd be taller.

:

01:13:06,096 --> 01:13:06,606

In this,

:

01:13:07,246 --> 01:13:09,846

which was that just a nod to Roadhouse?

:

01:13:09,846 --> 01:13:11,546

That had nothing to do with anything.

:

01:13:11,786 --> 01:13:12,316

Right.

:

01:13:13,341 --> 01:13:15,281

Pool Scene Podcast: I don't know if

it was a nod to roadhouse as much

:

01:13:15,281 --> 01:13:17,411

as it was like an SNL, Bill Braskey.

:

01:13:17,771 --> 01:13:24,721

Where I feel like Snake Plissken has a

built in like set of, you know, urban

:

01:13:24,831 --> 01:13:26,941

myths or legends surrounding him.

:

01:13:27,441 --> 01:13:30,071

I heard Snake Plissken was 10 feet tall.

:

01:13:30,571 --> 01:13:33,561

Also, what is badass a snake

:

01:13:33,861 --> 01:13:37,261

is, how does he always

keep getting caught?

:

01:13:37,931 --> 01:13:38,771

This is the second

:

01:13:39,311 --> 01:13:41,901

time now he's gotten a manhunt

and he's been captured.

:

01:13:41,911 --> 01:13:45,271

Do you think after all these

places he's escaped from New York,

:

01:13:45,271 --> 01:13:48,996

Cleveland, Kansas City, That he

would never get captured again.

:

01:13:49,006 --> 01:13:52,216

Well, maybe that says something

about Snake Plissken that he

:

01:13:52,216 --> 01:13:53,496

hasn't realized for himself.

:

01:13:53,981 --> 01:13:55,311

Maybe he wants to be caught.

:

01:13:55,471 --> 01:13:55,671

Oh,

:

01:13:56,161 --> 01:13:57,111

introspection.

:

01:13:57,651 --> 01:13:59,151

Because we don't know

:

01:13:59,336 --> 01:13:59,866

Katie: to Canada.

:

01:14:00,256 --> 01:14:00,876

That's why.

:

01:14:00,876 --> 01:14:04,235

Yeah.

:

01:14:04,271 --> 01:14:06,361

Pool Scene Podcast: Snake

Plissken has spent his time

:

01:14:06,741 --> 01:14:09,591

between New York,

Cleveland, and Los Angeles.

:

01:14:09,721 --> 01:14:10,621

What has he been doing?

:

01:14:10,621 --> 01:14:11,501

Maybe he's bored.

:

01:14:11,981 --> 01:14:13,671

Yeah, and he's just like,

I gotta do something, man.

:

01:14:13,741 --> 01:14:14,601

I gotta get caught.

:

01:14:14,601 --> 01:14:14,861

I got

:

01:14:15,621 --> 01:14:17,041

these benefits that are gonna expire.

:

01:14:17,041 --> 01:14:18,181

I need to be active and stuff.

:

01:14:19,696 --> 01:14:20,226

Katie: And they're like,

:

01:14:20,226 --> 01:14:25,296

once again, we'll give you a full part

in if you do this little maneuver for us.

:

01:14:25,491 --> 01:14:28,561

So, 1 of the scenes that I really

liked in the original was the

:

01:14:28,651 --> 01:14:30,791

the gladiator style fight in the,

:

01:14:30,916 --> 01:14:31,336

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh yeah.

:

01:14:31,451 --> 01:14:31,671

Katie: with

:

01:14:31,681 --> 01:14:33,481

that big bald guy.

:

01:14:34,146 --> 01:14:34,806

Pool Scene Podcast: Slag.

:

01:14:35,251 --> 01:14:35,541

Katie: slang.

:

01:14:35,731 --> 01:14:35,931

How do you?

:

01:14:36,081 --> 01:14:37,201

Yeah, my memory is the

:

01:14:37,201 --> 01:14:37,781

worst.

:

01:14:38,361 --> 01:14:42,431

Well, so now we're at the football

stadium that has were shown very

:

01:14:42,461 --> 01:14:45,031

similar cage style, gladiator style

:

01:14:45,361 --> 01:14:46,501

matches where,

:

01:14:48,191 --> 01:14:51,731

Acts as the emperor and gives

the thumbs up or the thumbs down.

:

01:14:51,896 --> 01:14:52,176

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

01:14:52,176 --> 01:14:53,876

It's like the world's worst Olympics.

:

01:14:53,956 --> 01:14:54,306

Yeah.

:

01:14:54,306 --> 01:14:54,496

It's

:

01:14:54,966 --> 01:14:55,776

bad Olympics.

:

01:14:56,726 --> 01:15:00,056

Katie: that one guy gets his head

chopped off with a giant scissors or

:

01:15:00,056 --> 01:15:00,256

what?

:

01:15:00,256 --> 01:15:01,596

What was that thing?

:

01:15:02,136 --> 01:15:04,526

Pool Scene Podcast: And Cuervo

literally does the gladiator.

:

01:15:04,586 --> 01:15:06,316

Katie: does the gladiator thumbs down,

:

01:15:06,836 --> 01:15:09,406

Pool Scene Podcast: He literally does

it and, and tells them to, to do it.

:

01:15:09,416 --> 01:15:11,826

He, the guy literally has

a giant pair of shears.

:

01:15:11,866 --> 01:15:12,166

Yeah.

:

01:15:13,116 --> 01:15:14,706

Katie: But Kurt plays basketball.

:

01:15:15,326 --> 01:15:15,636

So they

:

01:15:15,636 --> 01:15:15,806

have a

:

01:15:15,986 --> 01:15:16,346

Pool Scene Podcast: yeah.

:

01:15:16,346 --> 01:15:17,606

The basketball.

:

01:15:18,086 --> 01:15:18,536

Basketball.

:

01:15:19,166 --> 01:15:19,466

Katie: and the

:

01:15:19,576 --> 01:15:20,656

Pool Scene Podcast: No one has ever won.

:

01:15:21,116 --> 01:15:22,156

Katie: no one has won.

:

01:15:22,816 --> 01:15:24,456

All the, points are two points.

:

01:15:24,456 --> 01:15:25,876

like, it doesn't matter if it's a three,

:

01:15:25,916 --> 01:15:28,106

like they're two 10

:

01:15:28,526 --> 01:15:29,496

second shot clock,

:

01:15:29,496 --> 01:15:30,446

but it's full court.

:

01:15:30,456 --> 01:15:30,616

you?

:

01:15:30,616 --> 01:15:31,366

can't miss.

:

01:15:32,116 --> 01:15:34,276

a basket either or you'll

:

01:15:34,876 --> 01:15:35,916

um, you'll get shot.

:

01:15:36,356 --> 01:15:40,776

So he does it including a half court

shot, including a full court shot.

:

01:15:41,471 --> 01:15:43,461

Pool Scene Podcast: while sick

with the flu, which Michael

:

01:15:43,461 --> 01:15:44,931

Jordan had the flu game.

:

01:15:44,991 --> 01:15:45,511

That's right.

:

01:15:45,521 --> 01:15:46,121

This is the snake.

:

01:15:46,131 --> 01:15:47,971

Plus 97 game five.

:

01:15:47,971 --> 01:15:48,251

And you

:

01:15:48,561 --> 01:15:51,211

just predicted Michael Jordan probably

saw this and was like, you know what,

:

01:15:51,221 --> 01:15:52,311

I'm going to pretend to have the flu.

:

01:15:52,851 --> 01:15:55,101

Now I will say this is an actual drill.

:

01:15:55,121 --> 01:15:56,181

I did this drill.

:

01:15:56,181 --> 01:15:57,701

And when I went to basketball camp

:

01:15:58,011 --> 01:15:59,011

up and down to four, 10

:

01:15:59,321 --> 01:16:01,561

seconds score as many points as you can.

:

01:16:01,721 --> 01:16:04,891

Now, granted the coach wasn't

aiming a gun at me and threatened to

:

01:16:04,941 --> 01:16:07,581

murder me, but it's an actual drill.

:

01:16:08,216 --> 01:16:08,946

Katie: I, didn't know that.

:

01:16:08,956 --> 01:16:09,136

I

:

01:16:09,136 --> 01:16:10,446

am so bad under pressure

:

01:16:10,446 --> 01:16:12,476

that I would immediately

:

01:16:13,186 --> 01:16:13,566

miss.

:

01:16:13,946 --> 01:16:14,246

Yeah.

:

01:16:14,256 --> 01:16:14,486

I would

:

01:16:14,521 --> 01:16:14,731

Pool Scene Podcast: I,

:

01:16:15,146 --> 01:16:15,456

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:16:16,081 --> 01:16:16,451

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh yeah.

:

01:16:16,976 --> 01:16:18,376

Katie: but I was reading that Curt

:

01:16:18,376 --> 01:16:21,988

played like he, apparently it's

him making all those shots.

:

01:16:21,988 --> 01:16:22,366

Like, I

:

01:16:22,366 --> 01:16:23,306

don't know how many takes it

:

01:16:23,371 --> 01:16:24,341

Pool Scene Podcast: I would believe

:

01:16:25,171 --> 01:16:26,721

Kurt Russell's a pretty good athlete.

:

01:16:27,011 --> 01:16:30,341

I would say they probably did

the full court shot, multiple

:

01:16:30,341 --> 01:16:31,901

takes and he finally, like

:

01:16:32,211 --> 01:16:32,671

the Mr.

:

01:16:32,671 --> 01:16:34,511

Perfect WWF vignettes

:

01:16:34,771 --> 01:16:35,821

where he's Mr.

:

01:16:35,821 --> 01:16:37,711

Perfect and he hits every single shot.

:

01:16:37,981 --> 01:16:39,241

When you see the behind the scenes

:

01:16:39,511 --> 01:16:41,521

where he's done like 20 things like Jesus.

:

01:16:41,541 --> 01:16:44,571

All right, this is the last time

I'm doing it and he finally hits it.

:

01:16:44,881 --> 01:16:45,891

I think that's what they did with Kurt.

:

01:16:45,891 --> 01:16:46,171

Kurt.

:

01:16:48,351 --> 01:16:48,511

Yeah.

:

01:16:48,511 --> 01:16:50,891

I just love in the basketball

scene when Cuervo is like, I

:

01:16:50,891 --> 01:16:53,341

promised you all something special.

:

01:16:53,721 --> 01:16:55,421

You know, I'm going to

kill snake Plissken.

:

01:16:55,801 --> 01:16:56,821

Why doesn't he just kill him?

:

01:16:57,061 --> 01:16:57,921

Do it already.

:

01:16:58,201 --> 01:16:58,951

Why does he give up?

:

01:16:58,981 --> 01:17:00,931

I mean, Cuervo has got a heart I guess.

:

01:17:00,961 --> 01:17:02,131

Cause he allows

:

01:17:03,521 --> 01:17:06,591

snake to at least try and he does it.

:

01:17:07,116 --> 01:17:08,086

And listen, in near

:

01:17:08,156 --> 01:17:09,786

Katie: but then he shoots him anyway.

:

01:17:09,876 --> 01:17:10,186

Mm

:

01:17:11,076 --> 01:17:15,096

Pool Scene Podcast: anyway, and in the

end you have a whole, his whole army is

:

01:17:15,096 --> 01:17:17,526

surrounding that United States police

:

01:17:17,896 --> 01:17:18,386

helicopter.

:

01:17:18,386 --> 01:17:20,066

You're telling me at any given time,

:

01:17:21,006 --> 01:17:21,836

you couldn't have killed him.

:

01:17:21,876 --> 01:17:26,396

Also big logic issue at the very beginning

of this movie, during Jamie Lee's rundown,

:

01:17:26,806 --> 01:17:27,296

they said the new

:

01:17:27,566 --> 01:17:30,925

United States police

force was created in:

:

01:17:30,925 --> 01:17:30,946

If

:

01:17:31,526 --> 01:17:34,666

you listen to the first movie,

the United States police force was

:

01:17:34,666 --> 01:17:36,576

created already in the first movie.

:

01:17:36,576 --> 01:17:36,966

So,

:

01:17:37,766 --> 01:17:38,306

logic.

:

01:17:38,556 --> 01:17:39,596

Katie: Ah,

:

01:17:39,861 --> 01:17:40,300

Pool Scene Podcast: Why?

:

01:17:40,331 --> 01:17:41,281

Why screw that up?

:

01:17:41,391 --> 01:17:42,021

I don't know.

:

01:17:42,021 --> 01:17:45,800

It was probably, it's one of those things

where my nerdy ass mind goes, Ha ha!

:

01:17:45,811 --> 01:17:46,641

I got you.

:

01:17:47,346 --> 01:17:49,925

Katie: because when did

that one take place in 97?

:

01:17:50,731 --> 01:17:52,581

Pool Scene Podcast: The

first one took place in 97.

:

01:17:52,721 --> 01:17:53,651

So, yeah.

:

01:17:54,981 --> 01:17:56,811

then, doesn't this one start, yeah, in 98?

:

01:17:56,841 --> 01:17:58,021

First one starts in 98.

:

01:17:58,021 --> 01:17:58,361

Yeah.

:

01:17:58,371 --> 01:18:00,131

No, this one starts in 98.

:

01:18:00,131 --> 01:18:01,191

98 and it jumps forward.

:

01:18:02,396 --> 01:18:04,896

Katie: I quite liked the motorcycle scene

:

01:18:05,686 --> 01:18:06,946

towards the beginning.

:

01:18:06,946 --> 01:18:08,416

I thought that was a really good.

:

01:18:08,856 --> 01:18:11,876

I mean, yes, it's like, he's

an invincible person because he

:

01:18:11,876 --> 01:18:13,046

loses his guns

:

01:18:13,436 --> 01:18:16,696

and then everybody's shooting at

him, but he somehow never gets shot.

:

01:18:17,396 --> 01:18:21,126

Pool Scene Podcast: I think this was the

scene where we get the original gruff

:

01:18:21,126 --> 01:18:23,066

snake Plissken, where he's what is it?

:

01:18:23,066 --> 01:18:25,996

Can I Bangkok draw or something

like, or whatever it's called where

:

01:18:25,996 --> 01:18:27,316

he throws the can up in the air

:

01:18:28,136 --> 01:18:31,536

and he's like, nobody touch your

gun until it hits the ground.

:

01:18:31,536 --> 01:18:35,016

And he, he pulls the snake

thing, mows them all down

:

01:18:35,326 --> 01:18:35,946

and goes

:

01:18:36,666 --> 01:18:37,066

draw.

:

01:18:37,686 --> 01:18:37,906

It's

:

01:18:38,336 --> 01:18:38,866

awesome.

:

01:18:38,876 --> 01:18:39,626

It's so cool.

:

01:18:39,766 --> 01:18:40,396

Katie: It is.

:

01:18:41,246 --> 01:18:42,256

He's a trickster.

:

01:18:42,906 --> 01:18:43,736

What did you guys think

:

01:18:43,736 --> 01:18:46,876

of the, I guess, police force chopper?

:

01:18:47,726 --> 01:18:48,286

Pool Scene Podcast: it's cool.

:

01:18:48,326 --> 01:18:49,236

I like the, the

:

01:18:49,286 --> 01:18:50,536

the collapsible.

:

01:18:51,281 --> 01:18:54,431

Yeah, I almost said antennas,

the collapsible, it's a fly, the

:

01:18:54,431 --> 01:18:56,481

collapsible propellers are really cool.

:

01:18:56,961 --> 01:19:01,221

It's really, we're in that

age of where Stealth was the

:

01:19:01,491 --> 01:19:03,811

the end all be all

:

01:19:04,121 --> 01:19:05,841

it they're, they got pretty bad ass

:

01:19:06,221 --> 01:19:06,721

ships.

:

01:19:06,721 --> 01:19:07,241

I like them.

:

01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:08,061

Yeah.

:

01:19:08,061 --> 01:19:08,821

It's, It's, funny.

:

01:19:08,841 --> 01:19:10,941

Cause it, and it's a shootout in the end

:

01:19:11,431 --> 01:19:13,851

when he's like in the

helicopter, it's indestructible.

:

01:19:14,341 --> 01:19:14,981

And then

:

01:19:15,531 --> 01:19:18,331

they're not really like

completely in it now.

:

01:19:18,391 --> 01:19:20,861

And then Eddie falls out

of it or jumps out of it.

:

01:19:20,871 --> 01:19:21,161

Whatever.

:

01:19:21,161 --> 01:19:25,371

Whenever, when Cuervo Cuervo, despite

being shot, shoots the rocket launcher at.

:

01:19:25,986 --> 01:19:28,186

Eddie map of the stars,

which is a bad name.

:

01:19:28,236 --> 01:19:28,446

Yeah.

:

01:19:30,076 --> 01:19:30,896

Katie: I, I don't know.

:

01:19:30,896 --> 01:19:31,146

Maybe

:

01:19:31,196 --> 01:19:34,806

my expectations were so low, but

I thought that the futuristic

:

01:19:34,806 --> 01:19:36,266

helicopter was pretty sweet.

:

01:19:36,616 --> 01:19:36,876

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

01:19:36,916 --> 01:19:37,086

Yeah.

:

01:19:37,086 --> 01:19:37,656

I dug it.

:

01:19:38,336 --> 01:19:39,666

It reminded me of air Wolf.

:

01:19:42,346 --> 01:19:42,686

Katie: I did

:

01:19:42,726 --> 01:19:43,346

Pool Scene Podcast: Do you remember?

:

01:19:43,956 --> 01:19:45,726

You remember it was eighties

:

01:19:46,175 --> 01:19:49,346

TV show about a cool, it

was basically night rider.

:

01:19:49,366 --> 01:19:53,446

A team combined into a Jan

Michael Vincent, Ernest Borg

:

01:19:53,446 --> 01:19:55,086

nine, weirdly enough, was also

:

01:19:56,261 --> 01:19:57,341

Katie: Interesting.

:

01:19:57,861 --> 01:20:00,581

Again, like the beat for beat at the end.

:

01:20:01,331 --> 01:20:03,291

So snake is constantly.

:

01:20:04,421 --> 01:20:05,821

Correcting people, they'll say,

:

01:20:05,821 --> 01:20:07,331

do this and he's

:

01:20:07,381 --> 01:20:08,441

The name is snake

:

01:20:08,441 --> 01:20:14,631

or it's snake until the end when

he finally says snake correctly.

:

01:20:15,011 --> 01:20:20,401

The commander and snake says, the

name's and he tries to walk away just

:

01:20:20,401 --> 01:20:21,731

like, he did in the 1st, 1 with a

:

01:20:21,741 --> 01:20:23,081

cigarette, but they don't, you can't

:

01:20:23,091 --> 01:20:23,851

smoke there.

:

01:20:24,201 --> 01:20:27,141

but then he I loved the

end the final, final

:

01:20:27,141 --> 01:20:27,971

end where he's

:

01:20:27,996 --> 01:20:28,376

Pool Scene Podcast: Awesome.

:

01:20:29,431 --> 01:20:32,241

Katie: he finds a cigarette and

he still has matches from the

:

01:20:32,241 --> 01:20:33,351

kit that he had.

:

01:20:33,976 --> 01:20:38,376

And he gets to smoke and what

was the final line that he says?

:

01:20:38,836 --> 01:20:40,246

Pool Scene Podcast: The

picture fades to black.

:

01:20:40,586 --> 01:20:42,286

And it's something about darkness or

:

01:20:42,586 --> 01:20:44,076

Katie: Welcome to the human race.

:

01:20:44,516 --> 01:20:45,516

Pool Scene Podcast:

Welcome to the human race.

:

01:20:45,516 --> 01:20:45,956

That's it.

:

01:20:47,136 --> 01:20:48,036

Katie: That was pretty great.

:

01:20:49,146 --> 01:20:50,586

Pool Scene Podcast: And

then we escape from earth.

:

01:20:50,846 --> 01:20:52,136

I, it's sadly, I, I wish for

:

01:20:52,486 --> 01:20:52,766

this.

:

01:20:52,806 --> 01:20:53,356

I want,

:

01:20:53,896 --> 01:20:57,346

I want all technology to be shut down

and I want to revert back to stone age.

:

01:20:57,356 --> 01:20:57,856

Yeah.

:

01:20:58,106 --> 01:20:59,686

So I'm like cheering this ending.

:

01:20:59,686 --> 01:21:00,896

Yes, that's awesome.

:

01:21:00,906 --> 01:21:03,256

Give me snake Plissken killing a T Rex.

:

01:21:03,256 --> 01:21:04,116

Let's get crazy.

:

01:21:04,236 --> 01:21:05,425

Katie: Killing a T Rex.

:

01:21:05,896 --> 01:21:06,496

Pool Scene Podcast: Let's do it.

:

01:21:06,596 --> 01:21:07,876

Katie: yeah, he's on a different planet

:

01:21:07,876 --> 01:21:08,306

now.

:

01:21:08,986 --> 01:21:10,386

Pool Scene Podcast: Snake

Plissken at Jurassic Park.

:

01:21:11,576 --> 01:21:12,056

So

:

01:21:12,736 --> 01:21:16,436

snake in, to your point a

little bit earlier, Jim snake,

:

01:21:17,006 --> 01:21:18,686

The way he always gets captured.

:

01:21:18,776 --> 01:21:19,206

Yeah.

:

01:21:19,346 --> 01:21:19,726

He

:

01:21:20,276 --> 01:21:22,356

also, while in a LA,

:

01:21:22,675 --> 01:21:24,356

he gets duped by Eddie,

:

01:21:24,866 --> 01:21:26,175

which ends up at Cuervo.

:

01:21:26,566 --> 01:21:29,925

This super weird to me because

he's a sucker person, but

:

01:21:30,936 --> 01:21:33,166

Cuervo puts snake on a treadmill.

:

01:21:33,166 --> 01:21:34,646

He changed them to a treadmill.

:

01:21:35,896 --> 01:21:38,306

And then Cuervo goes live.

:

01:21:38,856 --> 01:21:40,106

To the whole universe.

:

01:21:40,106 --> 01:21:41,776

And that's how they know

snake is still alive.

:

01:21:41,786 --> 01:21:42,166

And

:

01:21:43,446 --> 01:21:45,766

Cuervo's delivering

this speech to everyone.

:

01:21:45,856 --> 01:21:48,276

If I were watching that broadcast,

I'd say, why is there a guy in

:

01:21:48,276 --> 01:21:49,476

the background on a treadmill?

:

01:21:49,675 --> 01:21:51,316

Why is there a guy with an iPad on a

:

01:21:51,686 --> 01:21:51,906

treadmill?

:

01:21:51,936 --> 01:21:53,886

Running, is he doing Peloton?

:

01:21:53,916 --> 01:21:54,266

What's happening right now?

:

01:21:54,266 --> 01:21:56,406

Everybody else is standing

around tough with guns.

:

01:21:56,406 --> 01:21:58,746

And you got Cuervo there,

which everybody knows.

:

01:21:58,746 --> 01:22:04,526

And you got utopia and, but then

guy on a treadmill, so random.

:

01:22:05,556 --> 01:22:07,746

Katie: Why does the president is he?

:

01:22:08,901 --> 01:22:09,921

Is it supposed to be like a

:

01:22:09,921 --> 01:22:11,121

commentary on that

:

01:22:11,121 --> 01:22:12,151

type of person, like the

:

01:22:12,151 --> 01:22:13,231

Pat Robertson type,

:

01:22:13,611 --> 01:22:16,271

that he's really not such

a good guy after all?

:

01:22:16,271 --> 01:22:18,411

Because he orders his own

daughter to be killed.

:

01:22:18,496 --> 01:22:20,946

Mm

:

01:22:21,266 --> 01:22:23,836

Pool Scene Podcast: We got to

talk about utopia and how she

:

01:22:23,836 --> 01:22:25,566

ended up in this situation anyway.

:

01:22:26,416 --> 01:22:31,156

She was secretly addicted or doing VR.

:

01:22:31,386 --> 01:22:31,766

Yeah.

:

01:22:31,836 --> 01:22:33,696

She's addicted to virtual reality.

:

01:22:33,716 --> 01:22:34,906

And somehow.

:

01:22:35,391 --> 01:22:36,461

That's morally wrong.

:

01:22:36,471 --> 01:22:40,221

Cuervo infiltrated VR.

:

01:22:40,261 --> 01:22:41,491

It's the lawnmower man.

:

01:22:41,621 --> 01:22:42,881

Was that through a hack?

:

01:22:43,391 --> 01:22:44,911

Yeah, it might've been.

:

01:22:44,921 --> 01:22:49,431

So somehow Cuervo is like

next level mastermind.

:

01:22:49,691 --> 01:22:50,791

We covered this movie.

:

01:22:51,231 --> 01:22:52,561

You know exactly what movie.

:

01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:54,711

Well, strange days.

:

01:22:54,721 --> 01:22:55,761

No, not strange days.

:

01:22:55,831 --> 01:22:59,431

VR or no, the TV, the TV Edward Furlong.

:

01:23:00,221 --> 01:23:02,451

Oh, brain scan, brain scan, brain scans.

:

01:23:02,891 --> 01:23:03,300

Yeah.

:

01:23:03,581 --> 01:23:04,001

Yeah.

:

01:23:04,050 --> 01:23:10,291

So somehow Cuervo manages to infiltrate

the virtual reality and it's like

:

01:23:10,291 --> 01:23:12,401

him in like a field of flowers.

:

01:23:12,601 --> 01:23:13,341

So weird.

:

01:23:13,411 --> 01:23:14,771

And just that one shot.

:

01:23:14,851 --> 01:23:20,421

So the president's daughter, Utopia falls

in love with a virtual version of Cuervo.

:

01:23:21,026 --> 01:23:25,906

And then I'm assuming just like

catches a ride to LA or does she

:

01:23:25,906 --> 01:23:27,376

commit a moral crime to be sent?

:

01:23:27,976 --> 01:23:30,786

Would her dad consider

this pornography then?

:

01:23:31,156 --> 01:23:31,606

I don't

:

01:23:31,776 --> 01:23:32,326

Katie: and then she

:

01:23:32,356 --> 01:23:35,466

must have been on like, like

an Air force One type plane,

:

01:23:35,466 --> 01:23:38,076

because they talk about her escape

:

01:23:38,206 --> 01:23:38,916

Pool Scene Podcast: force three.

:

01:23:39,336 --> 01:23:39,456

Yeah.

:

01:23:39,456 --> 01:23:40,806

She was on air force three.

:

01:23:40,966 --> 01:23:41,116

Yeah.

:

01:23:41,556 --> 01:23:44,966

Katie: She landed in the

prison scape, because

:

01:23:45,421 --> 01:23:48,800

In the same way of the

first movie, it was an

:

01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:49,800

escape pod.

:

01:23:50,511 --> 01:23:55,871

That's how she lands there with that

black box that she took that has the

:

01:23:55,876 --> 01:23:56,546

Pool Scene Podcast: Also reminiscent

:

01:23:57,126 --> 01:23:58,196

counterpart of the first

:

01:23:59,036 --> 01:24:03,096

escape pod, the national

liberation front for America,

:

01:24:03,291 --> 01:24:03,921

Katie: Mm

:

01:24:04,716 --> 01:24:08,166

Pool Scene Podcast: which I wonder in

a way they don't mention it in this

:

01:24:08,166 --> 01:24:11,086

movie, but it almost seems like Cuervo.

:

01:24:11,476 --> 01:24:15,136

Is like the West coast leader of the

national liberation front of America,

:

01:24:15,346 --> 01:24:17,436

but he has more of a global Alliance.

:

01:24:17,436 --> 01:24:20,175

Like the Cubans are going to evade Miami.

:

01:24:20,526 --> 01:24:22,506

You have people coming up from Mexico.

:

01:24:22,506 --> 01:24:22,936

He is.

:

01:24:23,396 --> 01:24:28,216

Well organized very well or

probably through VR maybe yeah,

:

01:24:28,416 --> 01:24:32,186

see that's a way more interesting

movie Yeah, if you've got this

:

01:24:32,906 --> 01:24:37,756

this Revolutionary leader who's

infiltrate like sending messages through

:

01:24:37,756 --> 01:24:40,146

your VR VR that the you know, the u.

:

01:24:40,146 --> 01:24:40,296

s.

:

01:24:40,296 --> 01:24:41,516

Doesn't know about pretty awesome

:

01:24:42,206 --> 01:24:42,656

Katie: I don't know.

:

01:24:42,656 --> 01:24:42,756

I

:

01:24:42,756 --> 01:24:45,976

felt like there was a few items that

being 1 of them, they introduced

:

01:24:45,976 --> 01:24:47,966

a few too many complex things just real

:

01:24:47,966 --> 01:24:48,326

quickly.

:

01:24:48,326 --> 01:24:49,366

Like, just like a really.

:

01:24:50,346 --> 01:24:52,486

Barely touched on it and

it's wait, what happened now?

:

01:24:52,486 --> 01:24:53,826

Pool Scene Podcast: very much band aids

:

01:24:54,266 --> 01:24:56,046

for how do we get from here to here,

:

01:24:56,596 --> 01:24:58,526

but yeah, we're not going

to explain it to you.

:

01:24:59,046 --> 01:24:59,226

Katie: I

:

01:24:59,226 --> 01:25:01,096

did so I have not seen this

:

01:25:01,096 --> 01:25:02,556

movie, but John Carpenter's

:

01:25:02,566 --> 01:25:04,156

ghosts of Mars.

:

01:25:04,606 --> 01:25:07,476

From:

that movie or heard of it even?

:

01:25:08,226 --> 01:25:08,566

Pool Scene Podcast: hmm.

:

01:25:08,566 --> 01:25:08,846

Long time ago.

:

01:25:08,846 --> 01:25:09,675

Long time ago.

:

01:25:09,736 --> 01:25:10,036

Yeah.

:

01:25:10,316 --> 01:25:10,866

Katie: Well,

:

01:25:11,586 --> 01:25:12,786

I've never even heard of it,

:

01:25:12,786 --> 01:25:15,016

but apparently it, was originally intended

:

01:25:15,016 --> 01:25:17,716

to be the third Snake Plissken film

:

01:25:17,976 --> 01:25:20,106

titled Escape from Mars.

:

01:25:20,666 --> 01:25:21,916

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh, going from Mars.

:

01:25:21,916 --> 01:25:22,856

How

:

01:25:22,916 --> 01:25:23,296

Katie: But then I

:

01:25:23,296 --> 01:25:23,846

also read.

:

01:25:23,866 --> 01:25:25,536

Earth, so they were contemplating a few.

:

01:25:25,566 --> 01:25:26,946

Anyway, it didn't do well enough.

:

01:25:27,126 --> 01:25:27,326

And

:

01:25:27,326 --> 01:25:27,506

so

:

01:25:27,556 --> 01:25:29,196

the character Desolation Williams

:

01:25:29,286 --> 01:25:32,596

took the place of Plissken

as the lead in that movie.

:

01:25:32,886 --> 01:25:34,276

If this sounds familiar to anyone.

:

01:25:34,796 --> 01:25:35,246

Pool Scene Podcast: Great name.

:

01:25:35,726 --> 01:25:37,656

I saw that when like it first came out.

:

01:25:37,686 --> 01:25:38,316

Ice cube.

:

01:25:38,436 --> 01:25:38,656

Yeah.

:

01:25:38,656 --> 01:25:39,186

I think you're right

:

01:25:39,306 --> 01:25:39,616

Katie: Oh,

:

01:25:39,726 --> 01:25:39,966

Pool Scene Podcast: it is.

:

01:25:39,966 --> 01:25:40,096

Ice cube.

:

01:25:40,806 --> 01:25:41,136

Mm hmm.

:

01:25:42,116 --> 01:25:49,146

Katie: I sort of thought that Hershey

would be in this way more than She was I

:

01:25:50,101 --> 01:25:52,491

Pool Scene Podcast: A little bit more

than a cameo at the rate they used her.

:

01:25:53,171 --> 01:25:54,341

Pam Greer is amazing, man.

:

01:25:54,341 --> 01:25:55,881

Pam Greer is incredible.

:

01:25:55,881 --> 01:25:56,800

I mean, between,

:

01:25:57,311 --> 01:26:01,821

you know, her work in the seventies

and then as Jackie Brown, Jackie Brown,

:

01:26:02,281 --> 01:26:03,811

such a fantastic movie.

:

01:26:04,501 --> 01:26:07,351

I always loved the story of

Tarantino catching up with Pam

:

01:26:07,351 --> 01:26:08,951

Greer and saying, Hey, I, I

:

01:26:08,951 --> 01:26:10,050

have a script for you.

:

01:26:10,050 --> 01:26:10,761

And she's Oh yeah.

:

01:26:10,761 --> 01:26:11,211

Oh yeah.

:

01:26:11,211 --> 01:26:12,421

And then he's no, I wrote it

:

01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:13,761

for you.

:

01:26:13,771 --> 01:26:15,441

Like the whole, it's your movie.

:

01:26:16,651 --> 01:26:17,151

But yeah.

:

01:26:17,151 --> 01:26:17,321

She.

:

01:26:18,341 --> 01:26:18,721

Yeah.

:

01:26:18,721 --> 01:26:19,881

It's a great story.

:

01:26:19,976 --> 01:26:20,516

Katie: cool.

:

01:26:21,061 --> 01:26:22,711

Pool Scene Podcast: didn't

tell it so eloquently, but

:

01:26:23,181 --> 01:26:24,431

yeah, he, he wrote

:

01:26:24,711 --> 01:26:27,821

Jackie Brown for Pam Greer

and she, at this time

:

01:26:28,241 --> 01:26:31,331

she was getting carjack Hershey type role.

:

01:26:31,331 --> 01:26:31,781

Yeah.

:

01:26:32,511 --> 01:26:32,791

You know,

:

01:26:33,101 --> 01:26:33,541

so,

:

01:26:34,696 --> 01:26:36,786

Katie: Well, her voice was extremely low

:

01:26:36,876 --> 01:26:37,656

in the movie.

:

01:26:37,706 --> 01:26:40,286

That's obviously not her natural voice.

:

01:26:40,931 --> 01:26:42,021

They had to lower it

:

01:26:42,671 --> 01:26:43,611

electronically

:

01:26:43,861 --> 01:26:45,191

Pool Scene Podcast: Quite obviously too.

:

01:26:45,251 --> 01:26:47,681

Katie: And like we said,

snake's real name is Bob

:

01:26:48,651 --> 01:26:48,791

Pool Scene Podcast: I

:

01:26:48,791 --> 01:26:49,881

love, I wish he would go,

:

01:26:50,251 --> 01:26:52,261

Hey snake, call me Bob.

:

01:26:52,421 --> 01:26:52,961

Call me Bob.

:

01:26:53,201 --> 01:26:53,541

What?

:

01:26:54,271 --> 01:26:55,121

Katie: instead of Plissken.

:

01:26:56,061 --> 01:26:56,511

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

01:26:56,531 --> 01:26:57,531

Bob's fake.

:

01:26:58,171 --> 01:26:59,300

Katie: so there is a

:

01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:02,521

Wyatt Russell little tiny

little clip of him in this.

:

01:27:03,871 --> 01:27:04,431

Pool Scene Podcast: Really?

:

01:27:04,511 --> 01:27:04,841

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:27:04,881 --> 01:27:07,721

So I think it's when

there's like a group of

:

01:27:07,751 --> 01:27:08,721

kids in the

:

01:27:08,731 --> 01:27:11,001

waiting area before you go to LA,

:

01:27:11,021 --> 01:27:13,601

where you can choose to

be electrocuted instead.

:

01:27:13,601 --> 01:27:14,101

There's like a

:

01:27:14,226 --> 01:27:15,776

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah,

the deportation area,

:

01:27:15,911 --> 01:27:16,361

Katie: Yeah,

:

01:27:17,091 --> 01:27:17,991

he's one of the kids

:

01:27:17,991 --> 01:27:21,550

there and he's wearing a cap and

snake makes eye contact with him.

:

01:27:21,550 --> 01:27:22,851

that's white Russell.

:

01:27:23,756 --> 01:27:24,856

Pool Scene Podcast: that's

how you could tie it in.

:

01:27:24,876 --> 01:27:27,076

See, to me, yeah, that's a little bit of

:

01:27:27,126 --> 01:27:29,166

a tea and cake or death situation.

:

01:27:29,166 --> 01:27:29,996

Yeah, Eddie Izzard.

:

01:27:30,006 --> 01:27:30,646

Cake, please.

:

01:27:30,716 --> 01:27:33,446

Because, okay, you can go into L.

:

01:27:33,446 --> 01:27:33,806

A.

:

01:27:34,526 --> 01:27:37,826

and live here, and it might be

rough, but you take your chances.

:

01:27:37,856 --> 01:27:38,336

Or,

:

01:27:38,746 --> 01:27:40,106

you can be electrocuted first.

:

01:27:40,106 --> 01:27:40,776

Yeah, right here, right now.

:

01:27:41,261 --> 01:27:45,061

I mean, how many of the people,

unless, unless in the United

:

01:27:45,061 --> 01:27:47,231

States, they've hyped LA to

:

01:27:48,711 --> 01:27:50,751

so much to be such a bad place.

:

01:27:50,751 --> 01:27:51,131

Yeah.

:

01:27:51,161 --> 01:27:53,311

Who would prefer to be like,

yes, just electrocute me.

:

01:27:53,331 --> 01:27:53,800

I'm going to

:

01:27:53,921 --> 01:27:55,201

Katie: I would I would

:

01:27:55,201 --> 01:27:56,651

Pool Scene Podcast: would choose electric,

:

01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,941

Katie: I I said in the

first one I can't remember.

:

01:27:58,941 --> 01:27:59,201

what the

:

01:27:59,201 --> 01:28:00,471

method of death was

:

01:28:00,561 --> 01:28:01,571

in the first one

:

01:28:01,971 --> 01:28:02,181

But

:

01:28:02,506 --> 01:28:03,836

Pool Scene Podcast: Was it firing squad?

:

01:28:03,981 --> 01:28:04,391

Katie: no,

:

01:28:04,391 --> 01:28:05,691

it was just like,

:

01:28:06,086 --> 01:28:06,266

Pool Scene Podcast: I don't

:

01:28:06,571 --> 01:28:07,141

Katie: I can't remember.

:

01:28:07,141 --> 01:28:09,591

what it was like, evaporation or something

:

01:28:10,091 --> 01:28:12,641

Um, because I would

:

01:28:12,641 --> 01:28:16,421

rather, I don't want to live in like

a Lord of the Flies type situation.

:

01:28:16,686 --> 01:28:17,066

Pool Scene Podcast: Okay.

:

01:28:17,116 --> 01:28:17,646

I do?

:

01:28:18,351 --> 01:28:18,871

Katie: You do?

:

01:28:18,911 --> 01:28:19,541

I don't.

:

01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,381

I'd be bad in an apocalyptic situation.

:

01:28:22,936 --> 01:28:25,646

Pool Scene Podcast: It's

guaranteed death or, but you would

:

01:28:25,646 --> 01:28:27,196

have to deal with aftershocks.

:

01:28:27,196 --> 01:28:28,446

Like absolute crazy.

:

01:28:28,446 --> 01:28:32,066

We get that throughout the whole movie

or massive aftershocks guaranteed

:

01:28:32,156 --> 01:28:34,276

death or let's see what happens.

:

01:28:34,326 --> 01:28:36,936

We'll see anything's possible

in this movie because we talked

:

01:28:36,946 --> 01:28:38,646

about helicopters earlier.

:

01:28:39,271 --> 01:28:42,561

The helicopters have this amazing

thing to be hit by a rocket propelled

:

01:28:42,561 --> 01:28:46,111

grenade and only kill the people

in the back of the helicopter.

:

01:28:46,111 --> 01:28:48,771

They just incinerate, but as

long as you're driving it or in

:

01:28:48,771 --> 01:28:50,631

the passenger seat, you're fine.

:

01:28:50,661 --> 01:28:51,191

So L.

:

01:28:51,191 --> 01:28:51,371

A.

:

01:28:51,371 --> 01:28:52,300

is worth a shot.

:

01:28:53,771 --> 01:28:56,151

Because what's the worst

that's going to happen?

:

01:28:56,161 --> 01:28:57,261

You get killed by the Honda gang.

:

01:28:57,261 --> 01:28:57,641

Death.

:

01:28:57,901 --> 01:28:58,271

Yeah.

:

01:28:58,381 --> 01:28:58,781

I mean,

:

01:28:59,151 --> 01:29:02,131

Katie: Yeah, but you but, but

you could be tortured first the

:

01:29:02,151 --> 01:29:03,221

Pool Scene Podcast: as I don't

get touched by the searchable

:

01:29:03,841 --> 01:29:04,291

people.

:

01:29:04,321 --> 01:29:04,751

Yeah.

:

01:29:04,751 --> 01:29:06,741

As long as I don't end

up in Beverly Hills.

:

01:29:06,741 --> 01:29:08,139

Yeah, I'll stay the hell

away from Beverly Hills.

:

01:29:08,139 --> 01:29:08,827

I don't want to be spare parts.

:

01:29:08,827 --> 01:29:11,001

But they even tell you, Stay

away from Beverly Hills.

:

01:29:11,061 --> 01:29:11,961

Don't go there.

:

01:29:12,031 --> 01:29:12,991

Katie: That is true.

:

01:29:13,986 --> 01:29:15,516

If I'm new, I don't know that

:

01:29:16,231 --> 01:29:16,891

Pool Scene Podcast: It's true.

:

01:29:17,071 --> 01:29:17,461

Yeah.

:

01:29:17,961 --> 01:29:19,671

You need to find Eddie, Map of the Stars.

:

01:29:20,146 --> 01:29:20,686

Katie: You do.

:

01:29:20,966 --> 01:29:23,216

the only casting, what if that I found

:

01:29:23,216 --> 01:29:28,166

was for Utopia, Kate Hudson

apparently auditioned.

:

01:29:28,866 --> 01:29:29,566

Pool Scene Podcast: okay.

:

01:29:30,186 --> 01:29:31,066

That'd be cool.

:

01:29:31,116 --> 01:29:34,106

You got the cause that's

curtain Goldie's daughter.

:

01:29:34,106 --> 01:29:38,856

I'm kind of surprised it wasn't Dom

Swain, Goldie's daughter, Dominic Swain.

:

01:29:38,866 --> 01:29:42,886

That's who I would have thought because

you know, she's in face off as the dog,

:

01:29:43,196 --> 01:29:44,886

but she was in everything at this time.

:

01:29:45,416 --> 01:29:46,456

I just, I don't know.

:

01:29:46,766 --> 01:29:50,246

I look, I don't, didn't remember it

from the first time I watched this, but

:

01:29:50,246 --> 01:29:56,906

when you have the scene between utopia

and Bob snake, there's And Utopia, and

:

01:29:56,906 --> 01:30:00,626

Utopia is pleading with Bob, which is

going to be called Bob from now on.

:

01:30:00,986 --> 01:30:03,186

She's pleading with him like, I,

:

01:30:03,456 --> 01:30:04,706

Cuervo's crazy.

:

01:30:05,206 --> 01:30:07,706

I would prefer my dad to Cuervo.

:

01:30:08,296 --> 01:30:11,046

And I thought she was

going to double cross him.

:

01:30:11,156 --> 01:30:12,986

See, I was, I always thought

that was going to happen too.

:

01:30:13,016 --> 01:30:14,086

Because it's kind of set up like that.

:

01:30:14,086 --> 01:30:16,196

It's actually Eddie map of the stars.

:

01:30:17,561 --> 01:30:22,481

Pulls out is it it's a knife Eddie

did like a face baby face Yeah, baby

:

01:30:22,481 --> 01:30:24,291

to heal baby to heal all the time.

:

01:30:24,331 --> 01:30:26,951

But Eddie does he shoot him or stab Bob?

:

01:30:27,271 --> 01:30:32,871

He shoot no, he shoots Bob Yeah, and then

he falls into the sewer and I'm like did

:

01:30:32,871 --> 01:30:35,391

he keep the briefcase that he dropped

:

01:30:35,721 --> 01:30:38,661

whatever but and that's

where he Goes on to surf.

:

01:30:38,661 --> 01:30:38,901

Correct?

:

01:30:38,901 --> 01:30:39,191

Yeah,

:

01:30:39,196 --> 01:30:39,766

Katie: Yep.

:

01:30:40,691 --> 01:30:42,981

Pool Scene Podcast: but I thought

utopia was gonna double cross

:

01:30:42,981 --> 01:30:44,376

him and realize no she's You

:

01:30:44,696 --> 01:30:48,086

She's of her own free will, Steven

Sparrow, but no, that's not the case.

:

01:30:48,516 --> 01:30:51,266

Katie: Well, she gets left

because she knows that her

:

01:30:51,266 --> 01:30:53,236

dad wants her dead, he says,

:

01:30:53,236 --> 01:30:55,546

oh, just we're going to drop

you off in these trees real

:

01:30:55,546 --> 01:30:55,786

quick.

:

01:30:55,786 --> 01:30:57,106

And do you just disappear?

:

01:30:57,786 --> 01:31:00,836

Like, she doesn't come back

to the Disneyland area.

:

01:31:02,561 --> 01:31:02,961

Pool Scene Podcast: I don't know.

:

01:31:02,981 --> 01:31:05,471

Let me pick LA or Lynchburg, Virginia.

:

01:31:05,871 --> 01:31:06,561

I'm gonna go LA.

:

01:31:06,871 --> 01:31:07,531

Screw it.

:

01:31:08,446 --> 01:31:09,216

Katie: I don't know, man.

:

01:31:09,396 --> 01:31:09,686

I,

:

01:31:09,896 --> 01:31:12,826

I think I don't want the

:

01:31:12,826 --> 01:31:15,866

America that they've developed

either in this movie.

:

01:31:15,896 --> 01:31:16,226

Yeah.

:

01:31:16,226 --> 01:31:18,396

So, I don't know

:

01:31:18,421 --> 01:31:19,681

Pool Scene Podcast: It's nearly prophetic,

:

01:31:19,971 --> 01:31:20,381

though, you

:

01:31:20,656 --> 01:31:21,516

Katie: Mm hmm.

:

01:31:22,066 --> 01:31:22,425

Yep.

:

01:31:22,706 --> 01:31:24,806

Yes, because there's even a line.

:

01:31:25,556 --> 01:31:30,316

Where is it the commander or

somebody says, go watch him.

:

01:31:30,706 --> 01:31:32,416

Make sure he doesn't do something stupid.

:

01:31:32,416 --> 01:31:34,276

So essentially there's a president

:

01:31:36,086 --> 01:31:36,476

that

:

01:31:36,476 --> 01:31:41,456

cannot be trusted to not be an idiot,

and so there has to be handlers.

:

01:31:41,546 --> 01:31:41,756

Mm-Hmm.

:

01:31:42,111 --> 01:31:44,241

Pool Scene Podcast: Oh, yeah,

I, I think it sounds familiar.

:

01:31:44,241 --> 01:31:47,461

Escape from LA actually

would make a pretty

:

01:31:48,541 --> 01:31:51,141

solid, like eight part or 10 part

:

01:31:51,861 --> 01:31:52,561

series.

:

01:31:52,791 --> 01:31:53,121

Yeah.

:

01:31:53,141 --> 01:31:53,991

Because if you

:

01:31:54,361 --> 01:31:58,611

saw more of what was happening, because we

see nothing of what's happening in the U.

:

01:31:58,611 --> 01:31:58,661

S.

:

01:31:58,671 --> 01:31:59,951

We, we need backstory.

:

01:31:59,951 --> 01:32:01,421

Because obviously.

:

01:32:01,646 --> 01:32:03,536

The president and all his men,

:

01:32:04,046 --> 01:32:04,925

they're not

:

01:32:05,836 --> 01:32:07,816

upholding the moral standards.

:

01:32:07,826 --> 01:32:08,856

They're breaking the morals.

:

01:32:08,866 --> 01:32:10,986

They are, they're doing

whatever they want.

:

01:32:10,986 --> 01:32:13,236

They're drinking and

smoking and fornicating.

:

01:32:13,246 --> 01:32:14,196

They're doing whatever they want.

:

01:32:14,196 --> 01:32:17,086

They're murdering people using morality.

:

01:32:17,996 --> 01:32:18,726

Exactly.

:

01:32:18,726 --> 01:32:20,796

So it'd be fascinating to see

:

01:32:21,226 --> 01:32:24,086

that at length, actually how bad,

:

01:32:24,496 --> 01:32:26,786

you know, the, the U S is.

:

01:32:27,381 --> 01:32:30,271

And then also go into a little

bit of about like maybe the

:

01:32:30,651 --> 01:32:32,541

backstory of Cuervo or whatever.

:

01:32:32,701 --> 01:32:33,661

Here's an idea.

:

01:32:33,711 --> 01:32:34,331

Why don't you,

:

01:32:34,416 --> 01:32:34,956

Katie: would be good.

:

01:32:35,541 --> 01:32:36,561

Pool Scene Podcast: imagine doing like a,

:

01:32:36,841 --> 01:32:38,481

even a 10 episode series,

:

01:32:38,771 --> 01:32:40,091

HBO produced

:

01:32:40,401 --> 01:32:44,321

of the background of, of Snake

or even if you wanted to escape

:

01:32:44,321 --> 01:32:45,671

from his whole backstory.

:

01:32:45,691 --> 01:32:49,701

I mean, you could do, you could

do Escape From as a series

:

01:32:50,101 --> 01:32:54,221

with each season being him

moving on to Cleveland, Miami,

:

01:32:54,231 --> 01:32:56,721

New York, Utah, Salt Lake City.

:

01:32:56,721 --> 01:32:56,731

Yeah.

:

01:32:56,941 --> 01:32:58,291

Starring Wyatt Russell as

:

01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:58,821

S.

:

01:32:58,821 --> 01:32:59,161

D.

:

01:32:59,171 --> 01:33:00,161

Bob Plissken.

:

01:33:00,161 --> 01:33:01,041

And, and it's not

:

01:33:01,451 --> 01:33:07,161

Wildly outside of, of some other shows

that are comparable, but like last of us

:

01:33:07,241 --> 01:33:09,901

or even maybe walking or something, but,

:

01:33:10,076 --> 01:33:11,456

Katie: Handmaid's Tale even.

:

01:33:12,111 --> 01:33:12,421

Pool Scene Podcast: yeah.

:

01:33:12,941 --> 01:33:16,421

Handmaid's tale, but just

to see, you know, this, this

:

01:33:16,841 --> 01:33:20,571

post apocalyptic event and you know,

who are the other, cause there's

:

01:33:20,571 --> 01:33:21,891

more snake Plissken's out there.

:

01:33:21,941 --> 01:33:22,821

Oh, there's tons.

:

01:33:22,911 --> 01:33:23,521

You know what I mean?

:

01:33:23,591 --> 01:33:24,871

There's more of these guys.

:

01:33:24,881 --> 01:33:25,491

Freedom fighters.

:

01:33:25,501 --> 01:33:27,111

Why does it have to be snake?

:

01:33:27,341 --> 01:33:27,511

Yeah.

:

01:33:27,581 --> 01:33:28,561

Why do they call it

:

01:33:28,906 --> 01:33:33,376

Katie: they point out again how special

he is because he was the youngest to

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01:33:33,386 --> 01:33:34,716

be to

:

01:33:34,716 --> 01:33:37,226

get some honor from the

president to purple hearts.

:

01:33:37,236 --> 01:33:39,786

He's some something special about snake.

:

01:33:40,151 --> 01:33:42,056

Pool Scene Podcast: gold

star or whatever that was?

:

01:33:42,336 --> 01:33:43,216

Over Leningrad.

:

01:33:43,226 --> 01:33:43,446

Yep.

:

01:33:43,626 --> 01:33:44,126

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:33:45,036 --> 01:33:46,046

Do you guys have any

:

01:33:46,306 --> 01:33:47,256

before we close

:

01:33:47,266 --> 01:33:48,026

final thoughts?

:

01:33:48,036 --> 01:33:48,976

Wrapping up.

:

01:33:49,656 --> 01:33:51,056

Escape from L.

:

01:33:51,066 --> 01:33:51,736

A.

:

01:33:52,806 --> 01:33:54,566

Pool Scene Podcast: I,

I just, just that I'm,

:

01:33:55,126 --> 01:33:56,906

I'm very much on board for more.

:

01:33:57,156 --> 01:33:57,556

Yeah.

:

01:33:57,826 --> 01:34:01,546

I would be, even if they did a old snake.

:

01:34:01,896 --> 01:34:02,206

Yeah.

:

01:34:02,216 --> 01:34:04,326

What if snake has to

go back one more time?

:

01:34:04,466 --> 01:34:05,806

Well, here's the funny thing.

:

01:34:05,816 --> 01:34:10,786

Like they metal gear, the video

game used the name snake plus

:

01:34:10,786 --> 01:34:14,126

skin, the whole premise of the

character snake plus skin was used

:

01:34:14,636 --> 01:34:15,976

in the metal gear series.

:

01:34:16,526 --> 01:34:18,085

Now throughout the series.

:

01:34:18,441 --> 01:34:19,831

You get snake aging.

:

01:34:19,831 --> 01:34:25,130

And then when it comes to the fourth

one, snake is been infected with a thing.

:

01:34:25,141 --> 01:34:27,991

Well, I can really jump into the

Lord, but I think called Fox die,

:

01:34:28,271 --> 01:34:30,380

which makes snake age rapidly.

:

01:34:30,521 --> 01:34:32,441

You can have an old gray snake.

:

01:34:32,460 --> 01:34:32,831

It's

:

01:34:33,231 --> 01:34:36,380

same character, same

snake, Plissken I patch.

:

01:34:36,391 --> 01:34:36,501

Yes.

:

01:34:36,731 --> 01:34:36,911

What he could

:

01:34:37,171 --> 01:34:39,710

say, what call me, Bob, call me Bob.

:

01:34:39,771 --> 01:34:40,041

He

:

01:34:40,091 --> 01:34:41,581

he's just grandpa Bob now.

:

01:34:41,931 --> 01:34:42,491

Papa Bob.

:

01:34:42,541 --> 01:34:43,800

Yeah, I, I just, I'm

:

01:34:44,206 --> 01:34:44,956

I'm for it.

:

01:34:44,956 --> 01:34:47,986

And I don't want to go too much down

the, like the Logan path with old

:

01:34:47,986 --> 01:34:50,686

Wolverine, but I would be for like

:

01:34:51,436 --> 01:34:51,846

snake.

:

01:34:51,856 --> 01:34:52,606

There's no one else.

:

01:34:52,616 --> 01:34:53,546

It's gotta be you.

:

01:34:53,556 --> 01:34:54,446

We need you to

:

01:34:54,856 --> 01:34:55,766

beat this mission.

:

01:34:55,966 --> 01:34:56,646

Where would it be?

:

01:34:56,646 --> 01:34:57,316

I don't know.

:

01:34:57,326 --> 01:35:01,346

And then you could wrap up the lore

and then come back around and then

:

01:35:01,396 --> 01:35:03,925

snake kill him off at the very end.

:

01:35:03,996 --> 01:35:08,956

Or he can go out peacefully on his own

way and in, in a counterpart way to LA and

:

01:35:08,956 --> 01:35:16,476

New York, you could very much do the, they

talk about like how The earth, even like

:

01:35:17,501 --> 01:35:18,581

Katie: Works anymore.

:

01:35:18,636 --> 01:35:19,406

Pool Scene Podcast: they fixed it.

:

01:35:19,406 --> 01:35:20,116

Yeah.

:

01:35:20,116 --> 01:35:23,416

After, after snake, you know, you

keep getting the reference that snake

:

01:35:23,416 --> 01:35:25,266

did the world code and shut it down.

:

01:35:25,666 --> 01:35:26,966

So what happened?

:

01:35:27,046 --> 01:35:31,356

There was this enclave in Southeast Asia

that wasn't affected by the world code.

:

01:35:32,421 --> 01:35:33,721

Katie: you, guys get writing.

:

01:35:33,831 --> 01:35:34,281

I'm telling

:

01:35:34,281 --> 01:35:34,831

you,

:

01:35:35,236 --> 01:35:36,186

Pool Scene Podcast: I'm

telling you, we could,

:

01:35:36,191 --> 01:35:39,130

Katie: have this Netflix series

or HBO series or whatever.

:

01:35:39,141 --> 01:35:40,821

That's I'm down for it too.

:

01:35:40,821 --> 01:35:41,011

I,

:

01:35:41,196 --> 01:35:42,996

Pool Scene Podcast: at this

rate, we'd be fine with to be,

:

01:35:43,701 --> 01:35:44,371

Katie: okay.

:

01:35:44,571 --> 01:35:44,871

I'll

:

01:35:45,976 --> 01:35:47,175

Pool Scene Podcast: we'll

take a cheaper amount.

:

01:35:47,186 --> 01:35:47,786

That's fine.

:

01:35:48,481 --> 01:35:50,141

Katie: I'll watch it on to be these.

:

01:35:50,621 --> 01:35:51,701

So, listeners.

:

01:35:51,701 --> 01:35:53,621

This is my 1st time watching these.

:

01:35:53,891 --> 01:35:55,851

I am not a sci fi.

:

01:35:56,171 --> 01:36:01,050

Fan, but I will say

that I'm very pleasantly

:

01:36:01,081 --> 01:36:02,641

surprised by

:

01:36:03,441 --> 01:36:05,841

Escape from New York and escape from LA.

:

01:36:05,891 --> 01:36:07,210

I like it better.

:

01:36:07,946 --> 01:36:08,376

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah

:

01:36:08,856 --> 01:36:09,166

I can.

:

01:36:09,206 --> 01:36:09,566

You know what?

:

01:36:09,906 --> 01:36:10,736

I give it a lot of credit.

:

01:36:10,746 --> 01:36:13,736

I will always have a special place

in my heart for Escape from New York.

:

01:36:13,776 --> 01:36:14,076

I

:

01:36:14,576 --> 01:36:20,286

love it more than LA, but LA is way

better than I ever gave it credit for.

:

01:36:20,425 --> 01:36:21,186

It's more fun.

:

01:36:21,186 --> 01:36:22,126

It's campy.

:

01:36:22,496 --> 01:36:24,036

It's dumb fun.

:

01:36:24,286 --> 01:36:25,026

It's dumb fun.

:

01:36:26,121 --> 01:36:26,841

Katie: Retro made

:

01:36:26,901 --> 01:36:29,391

listeners pool scene listeners.

:

01:36:29,471 --> 01:36:31,191

This is our second crossover

:

01:36:31,826 --> 01:36:32,766

Pool Scene Podcast: crossover baby.

:

01:36:32,921 --> 01:36:34,641

Katie: Remind retro made

:

01:36:34,641 --> 01:36:36,011

listeners where they can

:

01:36:36,201 --> 01:36:40,536

listen to and find Pool scene podcast.

:

01:36:41,686 --> 01:36:43,816

Pool Scene Podcast: Well,

we are, we are everywhere.

:

01:36:43,846 --> 01:36:47,826

Apple, Spotify, pod bean, pod

bay, wherever podcasts are found.

:

01:36:48,226 --> 01:36:50,856

We are coming up on episode number 200.

:

01:36:50,886 --> 01:36:52,936

So they've got to figure out

what we're going to do for 200.

:

01:36:54,696 --> 01:36:55,746

So check us out there.

:

01:36:55,746 --> 01:36:57,216

We have our Facebook page.

:

01:36:57,326 --> 01:36:59,596

We also have an exclusive

group on our Facebook page

:

01:36:59,596 --> 01:37:00,826

called the pool seniors group.

:

01:37:01,300 --> 01:37:02,021

It's free.

:

01:37:02,451 --> 01:37:03,371

Yeah, you are in it.

:

01:37:03,371 --> 01:37:03,851

You know it.

:

01:37:03,851 --> 01:37:04,841

You get you get some

:

01:37:04,891 --> 01:37:06,800

sneak peeks and exclusive previews.

:

01:37:06,891 --> 01:37:08,111

And then we're also on

:

01:37:08,460 --> 01:37:09,201

Instagram.

:

01:37:09,210 --> 01:37:10,241

We have a tick tock.

:

01:37:10,271 --> 01:37:13,130

Tick tock is kind of more of

a kind of curated for classic

:

01:37:13,141 --> 01:37:14,411

commercials and stuff like that.

:

01:37:14,411 --> 01:37:16,151

More of a nostalgia type tick tock.

:

01:37:16,681 --> 01:37:17,781

New episodes Mondays.

:

01:37:17,821 --> 01:37:18,041

Yep.

:

01:37:18,041 --> 01:37:19,101

New episodes on Mondays.

:

01:37:19,171 --> 01:37:24,011

We have our Eclipse special

will be out on Monday, April the

:

01:37:24,011 --> 01:37:25,710

8th as we are near Cleveland.

:

01:37:25,731 --> 01:37:28,281

We are in full and total totality.

:

01:37:28,776 --> 01:37:29,776

So all you,

:

01:37:30,466 --> 01:37:33,366

all you pool seniors out there

listening here on retro made

:

01:37:33,746 --> 01:37:38,476

You are going to be privy to

the longest episode ever in

:

01:37:38,476 --> 01:37:40,276

pool scene podcast history,

:

01:37:40,626 --> 01:37:43,406

nearly three hours of fun.

:

01:37:44,076 --> 01:37:48,346

I am not looking forward to

finishing editing it because it's

:

01:37:48,416 --> 01:37:50,255

a mess, but it is so much fun.

:

01:37:50,296 --> 01:37:53,496

The movie is heavyweights,

Ben Stiller,:

:

01:37:53,991 --> 01:37:55,621

We have our old friends coming.

:

01:37:55,641 --> 01:37:58,181

They came into town right after Christmas.

:

01:37:58,210 --> 01:38:00,371

So we are hitting some of the back catalog

:

01:38:00,771 --> 01:38:01,821

where I have heavyweights.

:

01:38:01,821 --> 01:38:06,681

And then after that, we have flight of the

navigator, a great weird Disney movie from

:

01:38:06,806 --> 01:38:08,296

Katie: Flight of the Navigator.

:

01:38:09,021 --> 01:38:09,411

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

01:38:09,441 --> 01:38:10,210

So we have that.

:

01:38:10,226 --> 01:38:11,496

Katie: fun stuff coming up.

:

01:38:12,071 --> 01:38:12,431

Pool Scene Podcast: Yeah.

:

01:38:12,481 --> 01:38:16,451

We're excited for it to get number 200

and celebrate our four year anniversary.

:

01:38:16,846 --> 01:38:18,755

Katie: Well, congratulations, you guys.

:

01:38:20,491 --> 01:38:20,880

Pool Scene Podcast: Katie.

:

01:38:21,766 --> 01:38:24,846

Katie: And I want to thank you

all for listening to RetroMate

:

01:38:24,846 --> 01:38:26,406

or watching it on YouTube.

:

01:38:26,416 --> 01:38:28,166

Make sure you're subscribed.

:

01:38:28,526 --> 01:38:31,216

I would love a review, please.

:

01:38:32,066 --> 01:38:35,816

But until next time, be kind, rewind.

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