Episode 51
Career Opportunities | S2E9
Welcome back to Retromade! Today, we’re flashing back to 1991 to discuss a lesser known Hughes flick—Career Opportunities.
Returning to the show is Sean Malloy formerly of “I Must Break This Podcast” covering one of my favorite action stars, Dolph Lundgren Check him out on The Last of the Action Heroes Podcast Network.
We also get a special bonus guest, Anson Kessinger, talking about his chat with Frank Whaley and some surprising feelings John Hughes had about this film. Check out Anson's work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybvIMZtxlJo
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Transcript
Hello.
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:Hello, I'm Katie and
welcome to Retro Made.
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:You Are Pop Culture.
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:Rewind.
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:Today we are flashing back to 1991
to discuss a little lesser known John
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:Hughes flick career opportunities.
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:Returning to the show
is Sean Malloy formally.
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:Of formally question mark.
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:I don't know of, I must break this podcast
covering one of my favorite action stars.
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:Dolf L Grin.
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:Sean, welcome back.
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:What's new with you?
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:Are we gonna get any more episodes?
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:What's going on with?
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:I must break this.
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:Sean: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:I closed out, the journey , of the
episode just because it seems like I.
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:His career has kind of run its course, you
know, he seems to have kind of, slipped
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:into kind of a semi-retirement of sorts.
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:And so I felt like ending it the
way I did felt like a good step.
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:But I have had a few people who've reached
out and have said like, are you gonna put
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:any of the old episodes up on YouTube or
put them back on the feed and everything?
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:I'm considering bringing it back.
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:You know, like you, Frank
can probably attest.
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:Podcasting is that itch.
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:You gotta scratch every now and again.
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:So I've been kicking around with
a couple buddies, some ideas of,
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:some, some shows, but I don't know.
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:I have to admit, I mean, podcasting,
like you can attest at the
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:hobbyist level is a lot of work.
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:And so, so it's one of those
things where it's been kind of nice
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:having the year off and to be a
guest on, on shows like this here.
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:Katie: Awesome.
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:We're gonna spin the
retro made wheel for:
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:So let's open the time capsule.
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:Sean, I'm gonna share my screen.
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:Let me know if you can see it.
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:Okay.
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:Are you ready to spin?
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:I'm gonna spin on your behalf, but
let's see what category we come up with.
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:Let's see if we can test
your knowledge for:
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:We've come to totally tasty.
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:Alright.
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:Which chip brand launched.
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:It's now iconic.
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:Once you pop, you can't
stop campaign in:
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:Cementing.
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:Its stackable chips in the
cultural snack lexicon.
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:Sean: Pringles, right?
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:Yeah.
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:Pringles.
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:Katie: Definitely.
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:Good job.
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:Good job.
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:Which lunchbox drink saw a spike in
popularity in:
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:flashy silver pouch and extreme sports
themed commercials targeting kids.
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:Sean: Capri Sun.
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:Capri Sun.
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:It's amazing you
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:Katie: Very good.
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:' Sean: cause
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:Katie: Sean.
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:Sean: yeah, these are these are staples
of my kids' lunches even to this day.
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:Katie: I love that.
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:That's awesome.
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:All right, let's do another category.
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:Let's see what we come up with here.
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:Perfect for a teacher, pages of the past,
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:which Scholastic published
mystery book series.
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:Already well established by 1991
remained a Book, fair favorite thanks
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:to titles like Who Killed Harlow
Trombe and the case of the Silk King
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:letting readers choose the path.
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:What were these series called, or
what was this type of book called?
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:Sean: two.
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:Choose your own adventure.
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:Those, those were amazing, weren't they?
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:Yeah.
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:In fact, I can still remember my very
first choose your own adventure book.
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:It was something about the Space
Vampires or something like that.
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:It was something space vampires, but the
covers of those books were so electric.
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:The paintings were just amazing.
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:So, yes.
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:Katie: Choose your own adventure.
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:Great, great, great.
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:Now this one is a magazine, which Monthly
Teen magazine featured cover stories
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:like Crush Confessions and How to Flirt
Without Freaking Out, and was known
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:for its iconic trauma rama section.
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:Sean: Was that Tiger Bee?
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:Katie: Good guess it's for, I
would say a little bit older.
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:Teens.
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:Sean: I'm gonna guess 17.
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:Katie: Very good.
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:Sean?
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:17.
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:I loved this magazine.
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:Let's, let's do another category.
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:This category is, can
Sean come out to play?
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:Released by Nintendo.
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:A few years earlier, this handheld
console dominated 90 ones gaming
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:scene with titles like Super
Mario, land two Six Golden Coins.
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:What was this device
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:Sean: The Game Boy.
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:The Game Boy.
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:Katie: Yep.
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:Very good.
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:Game Boy was correct.
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:This tabletop game became
hugely popular in:
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:Inviting players to assume the rules
of adventurers in a fantasy world.
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:Rolling dice to determine outcomes.
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:What was the name of this game?
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:Sean: Dungeons and Dragons.
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:Katie: Yes.
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:Very good.
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:Very good.
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:Yep.
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:Dungeons and Dragons.
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:All right.
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:Let's do one more category before
we get into the meat of the episode.
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:Oh, these are always fun.
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:Big screen time machine.
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:I.
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:You are on fire.
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:You're doing very well.
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:Well, they're kind of easy
questions, but let's see.
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:These are the Top Five
Box office hits for:
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:Do you have any guesses before
I start giving you clues what
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:the top five movies were for?
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:91?
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:Sean: 1991 I mean, I was going to
the movie movies regularly then.
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:I'm going to guess that
one of 'em was Hook.
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:Katie: Good guess, but No.
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:Sean: Okay.
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:Is Beauty and the Beast one.
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:Katie: It is not, but I do
think that's in the top 10.
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:Sean: Oh boy.
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:Then, gosh 1991, oh T two, T two
has gotta be one of 'em, right?
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:Terminator two.
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:That was one.
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:Katie: Yep,
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:Sean: that was one of 'em.
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:And
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:Katie: number one.
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:That's the number one.
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:I.
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:Sean: And I'm trying to think of
what else came out around that time.
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:I'm gonna kick myself because home
Alone was:
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:Oh boy.
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:And are you sure it wasn't hook?
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:Okay, I'm throwing in the towel.
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:What were they?
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:Katie: well you got the number one.
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:Okay.
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:Number two, a legendary outlaw
gets an American accent.
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:Morgan Freeman Sidekick and one killer.
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:Brian Adams Ballad.
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:Sean: Robinhood, prince of Thieves.
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:Yeah.
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:Katie: Yes.
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:Very good.
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:Yep.
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:Sean: Great movie.
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:It
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:Katie: The number, the number
three movie, your hint is, I
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:haven't seen it in a while.
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:Maybe I'll have to give it a rewatch.
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:Sean: Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
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:Katie: The number three movie.
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:Your Hint is an FBI trainee seeks help
from a charming cannibal to catch a
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:killer who loves his sewing machine.
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:Sean: Yeah.
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:Silence of the Lambs.
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:Katie: Yes, see sometimes the
hints are just a little too easy.
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:Sean: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Silence of Lambs is an
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:Katie: Number four.
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:Sean: because if you break it down, if you
really break it down, it's a horror movie.
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:I mean, it is the most grotesque.
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:Horror movie imaginable, but it
was never really labeled as much.
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:It was more a thriller, which is kind of
the more prestigious version of horror.
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:So it's always kind of amazing to me
that, that, that went on to win all of
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:these awards, including best picture.
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:When you really strip it down, it is the
most basic of of slasher films imaginable.
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:You know what I mean?
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:But we don't want to call it that.
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:'cause then that makes it
look trashy and tasteless.
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:No, it is a thriller.
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:Katie though though that that
makes it more acceptable.
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:Katie: Indeed, you're right.
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:It was really good though.
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:I think it, you know, it's it's
elevated from some of the others.
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:Number four, we have a midlife crisis
meets cattle drives when three urbanites
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:trade briefcases for cowboy hats.
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:Sean: Oh boy.
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:Hey, that clue may have stumped me.
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:I'm gonna give up.
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:What is that one?
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:Katie: City slickers.
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:Sean: Yep.
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:Okay.
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:Another
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:Katie: I know.
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:I, I haven't seen that in so long.
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:Sean: yeah, but it's one of those ones
that you know, because it was such a
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:monster hit, they made it a sequel.
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:When you look at it and you're like, did
the story really need to be told again?
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:Like, did it need to be continued?
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:But hey, money talks in Hollywood, so.
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:Katie: Oh indeed, indeed.
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:Okay.
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:I think you'll get the last one.
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:They're creepy, kooky,
mysterious, and spooky.
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:Sean: The
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:Katie: They made a snappy
comeback in this ghoulish comedy.
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:Yes.
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:Oh my God.
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:I loved the Adams family.
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:Sean: Mm-hmm.
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:Which trivia, if I could please pose
a, pose, a fun trivia question at you.
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:Do you by chance, know or
remember the teaser that was put
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:in front of the Adams family?
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:In theaters that got a
lot of people excited.
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:They hadn't even shot the movie
or finished it yet, but they put
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:a teaser in front of Adam's family
to get people talking and excited,
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:Katie: What,
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:Sean: Wayne's World.
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:Katie: what?
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:Sean: Yeah, look it up on YouTube.
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:It's quite funny, it's Wayne
and Garth, you know, doing the,
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:the snapping to Adam's family.
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:'cause they were both Paramount movies.
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:So Paramount was,
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:Katie: Oh, awesome.
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:Okay.
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:Sean: it's, it's
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:Katie: Got it.
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:Sean: to to look at.
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:Katie: Oh my God.
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:Yeah.
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:I'll have to check that out.
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:I totally forgot about that.
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:But now this, this is
bringing back a memory.
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:Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:I.
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:Well, I think you did pretty good.
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:In the time machine, I would
say I would give that Mr.
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:Teacher an a minus.
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:Maybe you didn't get all
the movies, so a minus.
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:Sean: it is
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:Katie: Yeah,
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:Sean: It is summertime, so you're
gonna have to gimme a break
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:Katie: that's true.
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:Sean: on.
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:Katie: Shall we get into the
movie career opportunities?
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:Sean: Yes.
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:Katie: This came out March 29th, 1991.
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:It's PG 13.
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:It's very short even watching it last
night, I was like, wow, it's over already.
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:Okay.
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:It's got a 5.8,
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:which is not very good on IMDB.
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:the director here is not John Hughes.
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:It is Brian Gordon who if that
doesn't sound familiar to you, he's
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:done a lot of TV directing and has
been nominated for an Emmy twice.
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:It looks like for Curb Your
Enthusiasm so that's Brian Gordon.
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:John Hughes is our writer here.
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:And this is an interesting movie because.
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:Hughes said that the film was a
disappointment because he didn't
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:have his usual creative controls
and he later stated that the film
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:was cheap and vulgar and that his
suggestions for the movie were ignored.
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:Therefore, he was so unhappy how this
movie turned out that he asked Universal
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:to remove his name from it, but they
refused because he was kind of a hot name
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:at this time, coming off of home along.
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:What do you think, Sean?
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:Sean: Well, I was hoping
you'd bring that up actually.
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:'cause I, you know, just found that out
myself about a year or two ago it's really
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:interesting to hear that because Yeah, I,
I vividly remember seeing this I didn't
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:see it in theaters, but I did rent it
when it came to VHS and i, I don't know.
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:I don't know how you feel, but I've always
felt it was a delightful little movie.
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:You know what I mean?
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:Like, it's not, it's
not amazing or anything.
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:Is it one of John Hughes's best?
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:Probably not.
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:No.
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:But I think it is just
a, a fun little movie.
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:If you, if you look at it compared to I.
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:His other movies that that he's known for.
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:So if you look at it, compared
to his high school movies, right?
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:Breakfast Club weird Science and
16 Candles, all of those, right.
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:I think it can be viewed almost as a as
an interesting continuation of those.
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:Okay.
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:What does, what happens to the teenager
that we've focused on in high school that
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:we spent this time with in high school?
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:What happens to that individual once they
graduate and go out into the real world?
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:And don't really know their place,
don't really know where they're going or
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:what their, what their true purpose is.
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:And I think that is something that every,
I, I mean, for the most part, I don't
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:know about you, but definitely me, anybody
in their early twenties who's, who's
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:kind of lost and is kind of figuring,
okay, now what, what's the next step?
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:I, I think, you know, it's
certainly relatable on that end.
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:So when I hear, when I read that
Hughes was not a fan of it and was
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:disappointed with how it turned out,
that always kind of surprised me because.
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:I don't know if you felt this way, but
it does feel like a John Hughes movie.
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:It does kind of have that, that small
town, you know, kind of Midwestern kind
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:of look and feel and flavor about it.
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:It does have great characters.
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:I feel that the characters
are all, for the most part,
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:fairly, fairly well defined.
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:And so, yeah, I've never
really understood that.
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:I don't know really where.
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:What Hughes was expecting.
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:I'd love to take a look at the original
script to see kind of what he was hoping
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:Katie: Yeah.
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:Sean: In my opinion, I think it,
it looks and feels like a, like
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:a John Hughes movie, percent.
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:So I, I've never really understood or
agreed with his with his sentiment.
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:Katie: You know, that's
interesting you say that.
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:Here's something that might surprise you.
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:I had never seen this before.
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:Sean: Mm-hmm.
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:Katie: it's, it's lesser
known, I think, for a reason.
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:But so last night was my first watch
and because of the IMDB rating,
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:because I had read that I had a pretty
low bar and I was kind of surprised.
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:I liked it way more than I
thought I was going to like it.
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:It does have a lot of beats of John Hughes
movies, but there's something a little.
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:His point about he thought
it was cheap and vulgar.
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:I, I could see why he said that.
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:Like, it is different in that way.
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:Like he tended to shy away from,
the cheap nature of teen movies that
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:are just like boobs and, you know,
fart jokes and stuff like that.
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:And so this very clearly was
trying to capitalize on Jennifer
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:Connolly's looks that was very
clear to me watching it last night.
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:I.
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:So maybe that's kind of
what he, what he meant.
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:And I too would really like to
know what, what his suggestions
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:were that were ignored.
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:Well, listeners of Retro Made,
we have a bonus guest today
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:for career opportunities.
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:I actually, having not seen career
opportunities before this episode was
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:really surprised to learn a lot about it.
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:And one of the things that came up is that
while John Hughes did write and produce.
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:This movie, he was not a super
big fan of how it turned out.
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:And so he wanted to disown it.
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:And that got me in conversation with our
special guest today, Anson Kessinger.
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:Did I pronounce that correctly?
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:Anson Kessinger: correct.
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:Yes.
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:Katie: Perfect.
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:Now, Anson, you seem to be a man of many
talents, writing, directing pinball,
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:pet putt, a little bit of everything.
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:Tell tell us about yourself.
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:Yeah.
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:Tell us about you.
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:Anson Kessinger: no, I'm
a, I'm, I'm a screenwriter.
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:Have won a few competitions just, you
know, love, love, just love the craft.
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:That's kind of what got me into this
whole deep dive career opportunities
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:because I, I had heard about the
drama and how much John Hughes
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:wanted to distance himself from it.
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:Then to find out that so much had
been changed about the screenplay.
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:Like my, my Holy Grail right now, my, my
white whale is to find an original script
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:just to see what, what was changed.
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:Katie: I'd be very curious
about that as well.
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:John didn't get his, his usual
license to do what he wanted on this.
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:Did he?
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:Is that accurate?
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:Anson Kessinger: As far as I can tell I, I
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:watched back
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:Katie: I.
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:Anson Kessinger: night.
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:Imprint films.
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:Put out a Blu-ray copy of it
with a commentary with Brian
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:Gordon, the director, and Jillian
Wallace Horvat who was fantastic
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:in moderating the commentary.
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:And yeah, they said that yeah, the
studio really didn't like the opening.
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:They didn't like the ending.
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:Had both of those rewritten and reshot.
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:Katie: Hmm.
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:Anson Kessinger: So I think he was
probably fairly annoyed by that.
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:But, but I mean, really tonally,
it's all over the place, isn't it?
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:'cause it opens with the whole, like
this is a gangland murder, really rough,
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:for, for
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:Katie: Mm-hmm.
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:Anson Kessinger: Both Brian Gordon or
yeah, Brian Gordon, the director and Frank
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:Whaley, who I, I, because I'm insane.
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:And I actually got a cameo from Frank
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:Whaley to
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:Katie: Oh.
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:Anson Kessinger: just,
just give, gimme the dirt.
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:Like, I, I wanted to
know what, what happened.
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:and he mentioned that Hughes probably
wasn't so much of a fan of both.
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:He and Brian Gordon just
played around with the script.
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:They did not stick
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:to dialogue.
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:Katie: Mm-hmm.
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:Anson Kessinger: thought that they would
punch up dialogue and make it in, in frank
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:with's words, they would make it better.
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:So the fact that they were playing around,
I think so much with the script, and
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:then you had the drama from the studio
saying like, yeah, we, we wanna do this.
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:He, he said that John Hughes wanted
one for his name to be taken off of it.
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:Tried to distance himself from it and
also tried just to not have it released.
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:Katie: Question about that.
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:Do you know at what point
he determined that he didn't
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:want his name on it anymore?
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:Anson Kessinger: I I that, I don't know.
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:Katie: Okay.
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:Anson Kessinger: it
could have been when they
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:started with reshoots or when
he may, maybe he saw a rough
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:cut.
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:I
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:Katie: Mm-hmm.
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:I do know though that through, through
the commentary they said that the only day
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:he came to set was the John Candy shop.
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:That's very interesting and unusual.
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:Now I.
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:Because I'm doing a whole
season of John Hughes movies.
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:You know, I'm, I'm learning more about
him and his style big fan growing up.
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:But some movies that he, you know,
maybe not quite as proud of he has
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:used the pseudonym, Edmond, Dante.
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:But that didn't come until, I wanna say.
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:So maybe like a year later.
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:So I was just curious maybe why he didn't,
maybe he came to that realization that
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:that's something that he could do later.
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:But he used the pseudonym.
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:I mean, it seems like everybody
knows that that's John Hughes, but,
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:Katie: yeah, so I, I'm curious
why he didn't on this movie,
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:Anson Kessinger: do you
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:think?
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:I mean, were were,
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:Katie: maybe.
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:Anson Kessinger: pseudonym
titles, did they come
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:after 91?
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:Katie: Yeah.
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:Beethoven.
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:I think the first movie and that came out
in 92 that he wrote under a pseudonym.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Anson Kessinger: this must have
been the, the, the title that
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:gave him a plan.
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:Katie: Maybe That's interesting.
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:So, so it sounds like
Frank Whaley didn't have
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:I don't wanna put words in his
mouth, but maybe butted ha.
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:Anson Kessinger: I,
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:Katie: yeah,
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:yeah,
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:Anson Kessinger: me.
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:Katie: yeah.
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:Please do.
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:Anson Kessinger: I mean, he was
young, young, Connolly, of course,
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:and Brian Gordon was a first
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:time director on this, so I think
they were just kind, you know,
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:they were just getting their legs.
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:They were really just, you know,
trying to have fun with it.
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:And I think maybe John Hughes was
maybe a little more rigid and like,
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:no, this is the way I, I want it to go.
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:But Frank Wiley also said
that , he's proud of it.
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:He thinks it stands up.
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:And he is like, it's not Susan Kane.
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:It's not, he said it's, it's,
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:not the Godfather,
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:Katie: Nope.
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:Anson Kessinger: you know, he is like,
yeah, I, I think it stands up and, I
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:saw it originally in the theater in 91.
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:It's kind of nostalgic for me.
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:My grandmother took me to see it.
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:You know, and, you know, a young boy of
16, Jennifer Connolly, she was fantastic.
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:So yeah, I mean, it, it, it's
not a great movie, but it.
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:I, I, I, I can still see
them, you know, being
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:proud of it.
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:Katie: Interesting.
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:Okay.
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:Thank you for that story.
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:That's really interesting insight.
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:Do you mind my asking how
much his cameo cost, how much
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:he, you know, I find those, I
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:Anson Kessinger: it was.
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:50
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:American dollars.
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:Katie: Okay.
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:All right.
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:Anson Kessinger: and I also, I, I
also made sure to make the most of my
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:money, I actually asked him a second
question, which was screenwriting advice.
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:Katie: What do you recall what he said?
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:Anson Kessinger: Just keep writing,
keep at it, your craft in a
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:nutshell.
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:Yeah, that, that, that was it.
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:Katie: Okay, so, so
nothing new for you there?
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:No.
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:Anson Kessinger: I mean, but you know,
I, I guess there's a way to kind of
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:press, you know, just, keep pressing
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:you on, you know,
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:Katie: Mm-hmm.
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:Anson Kessinger: path.
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:Katie: Okay.
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:Are you a fan of John Hughes or not?
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:Do you have thoughts about
John as a writer or director
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:Generally?
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:Anson Kessinger: He's a, he's a,
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:he's a product of his time.
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:I
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:Katie: Mm-hmm.
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:Anson Kessinger: know, a lot, a lot
of stuff, I think so socially doesn't
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:really work today.
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:Katie: Right?
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:Anson Kessinger: Like I said, you know,
I, I like career opportunities, but
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:there there are, there are some icky
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:parts,
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:Katie: I.
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:Anson Kessinger: For sure.
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:Katie: In a lot of his movies
as we're rewatching them.
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:I'm like, Ooh, yikes.
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:yeah.
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:Anson Kessinger: Yeah.
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:But this will bring me to, i, I
wanna put my wife over real quick.
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:I introduced her to
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:weird science,
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:Katie: Oh,
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:Anson Kessinger: probably just about
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:five, 10 years ago.
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:Katie: I love it.
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:Anson Kessinger: and it
was her first time ever
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:seeing it.
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:Katie: Oh, wow.
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:Anson Kessinger: we, we get to
the end and we get to the end
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:credits and she blows my mind.
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:She says, I get it.
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:Mary Poppins for Teenage Boys.
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:Katie: Oh wow.
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:Anson Kessinger: like, I, I cannot.
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:That is amazing.
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:Katie: It is, isn't it?
541
:That's great.
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:I've not heard anyone use
that comparison before.
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:I.
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:I love that.
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:Yeah.
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:Kudos to your wife.
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:Anson Kessinger: nailed it.
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:Katie: Yes, she did.
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:This has been awesome.
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:Thank you.
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:First of all, it's great meeting you.
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:What kind of stuff do you work on?
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:You said you're a screenwriter?
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:Anson Kessinger: I do some contests.
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:I'm just writing my own stuff,
trying to get myself out.
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:I do 48 hour phone projects.
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:If you're familiar with
558
:Katie: No.
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:Anson Kessinger: It's where teams assemble
and within the timeframe of 48 hours, they
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:write, shoot, edit, and submit a four to
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:seven minute film.
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:Katie: Oh, yes.
563
:Now this, I have heard
of this, but I, okay.
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:Yep, yep.
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:Okay.
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:Anson Kessinger: giving the prompt
of a required character, required
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:line of dialogue, and a prop, and
all of those must be included.
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:Katie-1: You have some very fascinating
experience and so I wondered if there
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:was anywhere that you wanted to send
people to learn about you or your work
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:Anson Kessinger-2: I actually won the 48
hour film project for Richmond last year.
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:if anybody would like to check
that film out it's on YouTube.
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:It's called Modern Love.
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:if you just search Modern Love 48
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:Katie-1: Awesome.
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:I'm excited to check it out.
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:And everybody, listeners, we have to
support our independent filmmakers
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:and people trying to break in.
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:So please check out the link Anson's.
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:Film will be in the show
notes, so check that out.
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:And it was great to meet you.
581
:Katie: It, it does feel
a little off to me.
582
:It doesn't feel like a typical, it it,
so we'll get to the plot in a second,
583
:but here's how I, it's set in a target
and you know, the way that I looked
584
:at it, I was like, well, it's sort of
like a Ferris Fueler meets mannequin,
585
:but the Target brand version of it.
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:Sean: Mm-hmm.
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:Katie: It's not quite John Hughes.
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:It's like the generic version of a John
Hughes movie maybe is how I would put it.
589
:Sean: Well, it's really interesting you
mentioned that because I mean, look, the
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:guy, is one of the most famous directors
I think we can agree of all time.
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:His scripts really captured a
particular gen generation we'll say
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:about, about him and his script.
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:I don't wanna mitigate his talents
or anything like that in terms of
594
:in terms of writing or whatever.
595
:But it seems to me, especially as
he got later on in his career, as we
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:approached the nineties, he was more.
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:Of, of, of a gimmick.
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:Writer, you know what I mean?
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:Like he was more,
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:Katie: Mm-hmm.
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:Sean: into recycling some of
his previous scripts and redoing
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:them and swapping them out.
603
:I mean, the best example I can do
is look as, as I love the movies.
604
:I love Pretty and Pink and I love some
kind of wonderful, you and I have talked
605
:about them, but if you look at those
movies, they are the exact same movie.
606
:I mean, when he wrote some kind
of wonderful, he wrote that.
607
:Purely out of spite because he was
pissed off that they went with the ending
608
:that he didn't that he didn't intend.
609
:So if you look at some kind of
wonderful, it's the exact same, it's
610
:the exact same thing as pretty in pink.
611
:He just swapped out instead of making
the the lead a female, he made it a male
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:and the a tomboy as the best friend.
613
:You know what I mean?
614
:But it's the same thing.
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:And so if you look at career
opportunities, you know, you always
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:hear, I've always read in interviews
that like he would write a script
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:over the course of a weekend.
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:You know what I mean?
619
:And so if you look at a, at a
620
:Katie: Right.
621
:Sean: Career Opportunities, it's,
it's very evident because all he's
622
:doing is he's taking home alone.
623
:Okay.
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:Which he had written, you know,
about a year or two prior.
625
:Alright?
626
:He's taking home alone and he's
saying, okay, well wait a minute.
627
:What about instead of a boy being
trapped alone in a in, in his house.
628
:It's in a department store.
629
:And what if instead of a little kid, it
is a grown man just out of high school.
630
:You know what I mean?
631
:And so that's, what he's done.
632
:You know,
633
:I'm gonna get stones thrown at me for
saying this, so please don't be mad at me.
634
:But I've never found Christmas
vacation to be that wonderful.
635
:It, it's amazing to me that, to me,
that, that that film has gone down as
636
:being such a classic, when in the end
there's really not much of a plot per se.
637
:It's just a collection of, of
gags and various set pieces.
638
:It, it feels like an, an
extended sitcom in a lot of ways.
639
:I don't look at that film as, as being
like amazing writing by any means.
640
:I mean, I don't know.
641
:I, like I said, I can certainly
see, you know, there are some
642
:John Hughes ingredients in it.
643
:But all he's really doing with
his scripts at this point is
644
:just, okay, I'm taking this one.
645
:It's kinda like Mad Libs, right?
646
:Okay, let's take the
script for home alone.
647
:Let's take the script for
648
:you, you know what I mean?
649
:Whatever.
650
:And then I'm just gonna kind
of swap out these characters.
651
:Boom.
652
:A new movie.
653
:So if he's mad that it didn't turn
out that way, it's like, maybe don't
654
:write a script over the course of
a weekend and collect the check.
655
:John,
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:Katie: it is very templated.
657
:Yeah, you're absolutely right there.
658
:It's interesting doing
this John Hughes season.
659
:I'm learning a lot more about
him as a person and he's.
660
:Got a personality that not everyone
loves and not everyone gets along with.
661
:And he butts heads a lot.
662
:And yeah, I, it's just really interesting
'cause I didn't know any of that.
663
:But now revisiting the movies,
you can see so many of the
664
:same
665
:beats.
666
:Sean: Mm-hmm.
667
:Katie: so it'll be interesting to
see the rest of the nineties movies.
668
:But yeah, like this is 91.
669
:And if you guys haven't seen this movie.
670
:Or you know, if it's been
over 30 years for you.
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:have Jim, and he is the dorky son
of a local cement contractor who
672
:lives at home and has no direction.
673
:Josie is the gorgeous daughter
of a wealthy businessman who
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:dreams of leaving town when Jim
is locked inside a target store.
675
:On his first night as an overnight
janitor, he discovers Josie who fell
676
:asleep while contemplating shoplifting.
677
:locked in together.
678
:The pair learns that they
have a lot in common.
679
:Little do they know that two
petty criminals are on the
680
:lamb and looking for a place to
681
:hide.
682
:Sean: And there's the home alone,
683
:Katie: is career
684
:Sean: the,
685
:sorry,
686
:Katie: The
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:Sean: there.
688
:Katie: the the incompetent.
689
:No, you're
690
:absolutely right.
691
:Sean: Yeah.
692
:I mean,
693
:Katie: thieves.
694
:Sean: He took the home alone template
695
:Katie: com.
696
:He did take the, yep.
697
:Yep.
698
:And instead of I guess like the, a lot
of the adventures is really more like out
699
:of boredom at first throughout the movie.
700
:He's skating and he's cleaning and just
having fun and costumes and, really do
701
:the booby traps to catch the criminals.
702
:I guess that's how it's slightly
different is it's just like that's
703
:the Ferris Bueller of it all.
704
:What would you do if you were
stuck in a target, you know,
705
:overnight kind of a thing.
706
:I loved Target growing up, so I can't
believe I hadn't seen the smoothie before.
707
:Sean: And that's one thing that's actually
kind of cool about this film in a lot
708
:of ways is that target still exists.
709
:You know what I mean?
710
:I mean, that, that's one thing in
a weird way that kind of makes this
711
:film, I don't wanna say timeless,
but where it can still play nowadays
712
:I mean, and talk about some crazy product
placement for Target, because if John
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:Hughes and the production company wanted,
they could have just made this some.
714
:Regular department store that was
kind of target adjacent, if you will.
715
:But, you know, they could have
called it bullseye for that matter.
716
:But the fact that it is an actual
target that every state has
717
:makes this film a lot, very much
relatable in, in a lot of ways.
718
:And so that's one thing that I
think is so cool is, I mean, this
719
:movie came out how many years
ago, and Target is still around.
720
:It's still, it still exists.
721
:Katie: I'm kind of surprised that they
used Target instead of just some random,
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:you know, bullseye, like you mentioned.
723
:But yeah,
724
:so that was
725
:kind of
726
:Sean: Mm-hmm.
727
:Katie: again, I can't believe I hadn't
seen this movie before it might be in
728
:part due to, I don't know if our lead
character here Frank Whaley, plays Jim
729
:Dodge, and he's not a household name,
but he has been in a lot of well-known
730
:movies, including Pulp Fiction.
731
:He has been working consistently and
has a lot of credits, but he's not
732
:your, your Rob Lowe, he's not your
Matthew Broderick Anthony Michael Hall.
733
:And so I think he even said, I think
I saw somewhere that he was sort of
734
:like, yeah, they took a gamble on me.
735
:And kind of took a little bit of blame
for maybe why the movie didn't do so well.
736
:Sean: Which is unfortunate.
737
:I think he's a wonderful character actor.
738
:Anytime Frank Whaley pops up.
739
:You know that you're gonna have a, a
character on screen that gives a little
740
:bit more than the average, actor.
741
:I always love seeing him pop up.
742
:He plays you know, he plays
kind of the, the nerdy awkward
743
:fellow like he does in this film.
744
:But he also plays mean
and sadistic real well.
745
:I don't know if you ever saw the
film from:
746
:With Luke Wilson and Kate Kinal, but
he plays the proprietor of a motel that
747
:is making snuff films and he is just
nasty mean in, in that particular film.
748
:So yeah, I always love seeing him pop up.
749
:I think, you know, you mentioned
that the production did take
750
:a gamble on casting him.
751
:However, I think if they had
cast anyone else at the time,
752
:especially a known actor.
753
:It would've cheapened
the film a little bit.
754
:You buy him as, as Jim
Dodge, you know what I mean?
755
:You buy him as being this
this fast talking liar.
756
:You know what I mean?
757
:Much more so than you
would've if they had cast.
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:Any other,
759
:yeah, yeah.
760
:Any other name at the time?
761
:I'm trying to think , of a.
762
:You know, 20 something
year old name in:
763
:You know, I mean, can you imagine
if Christian Slater was in this
764
:film, for example, it, it wouldn't
play as well, you know what I mean?
765
:He, he would be much more cool.
766
:Katie: We have Jennifer Connolly
playing Josie McClellan, and I think
767
:they used her maybe after the fact.
768
:Like they, they really, really leaned
on her looks, I think, in this movie.
769
:I mean, she was gorgeous.
770
:She looked just like
breathtakingly beautiful.
771
:But yeah, that White Tank top was, was
doing a lot of the work for this movie.
772
:What do you think, Sean?
773
:Sean: I mean, I would agree.
774
:I would agree.
775
:But I mean, you look at a
film like Weird Science.
776
:Is Kelly Lerock doing, I mean, Kelly
Brock in that film is, is a mentor too.
777
:We can say she's a mentor figure,
but I mean, her entire role in weird
778
:science was was sex appeal as well.
779
:I mean, I don't know, I, I hear some of
these statements from, from Hughes and
780
:it's kinda like, you know what I mean?
781
:I mean, because again, if you break
the film down, the, the film is pretty
782
:much based on the gimmick of what
would you do if you were locked in?
783
:I honestly think if, if I could go back
real quick, I honestly think that Hughes
784
:wrote this over the course of a weekend,
purely under the idea of what would you do
785
:if you were locked in the department store
overnight with the grill of your dreams?
786
:I.
787
:And that's what the movie is.
788
:You know what I mean?
789
:I, I think that he, he, and
that's what a lot of writers do.
790
:They, they write a script, you know,
on the fly based off a single idea.
791
:I think that's what Hughes did, only
he added in probably about maybe 60%
792
:home alone in there as well to kind
of sell it and, and make it work.
793
:But but yeah, no, I mean, and I
think all of the characters in this
794
:film, the, the, the two characters
that I will say, I don't think.
795
:Are flushed out that to be
perfectly honest, are the thieves.
796
:I don't think the thieves are
are, are really that strong.
797
:But if you look at Jim Dodge's dad in the
film, I think he's doing an amazing job.
798
:The actor who is playing
Jennifer Connolly's dad as well.
799
:I mean, you buy him as being
this this millionaire who's
800
:essentially running the town.
801
:And then can we say William Forsyth?
802
:Oh my god, William Forsyth as the as
the manager of the night cleaning crew.
803
:In his one scene that he is in.
804
:He is.
805
:He's awesome as well.
806
:I mean, for 86 minutes, I
think this is a fun movie.
807
:It really is.
808
:Katie: Yeah, I, I agree.
809
:And yeah, will I, I knew William
Forsyth was in this, but then I
810
:didn't even catch him like, 'cause
he was, it was so brief that he's
811
:like the custodian that locks Jim
812
:in
813
:Sean: Mm-hmm.
814
:Katie: 7:00 AM the next day.
815
:We also get a.
816
:Per John Hughes movies usual,
we get a John Candy cameo.
817
:He was uncredited in this, but he plays
the manager of the target store that
818
:hires Jim so that like you can't go
wrong with John Candy in your movie.
819
:Sean: No, no.
820
:I mean, I think it goes without saying
that he and John Hughes were like
821
:really, really, really good friends.
822
:I.
823
:In in, throughout, throughout
the eighties and everything.
824
:And you know, and there are various
reports that one of the reasons that
825
:caused John Hughes to kind of quit
writing and directing throughout the
826
:nineties was he was really, really
hit hard by John Candy's death.
827
:And I think if you look at a lot
of the films that that he had done,
828
:especially like Curly Sue for example,
which was his last directorial
829
:effort, you can see that the magic.
830
:Really wasn't there too
much anymore with Hughes.
831
:However, I would also argue too, I
think when he approached the nineties,
832
:he was kind of in a, in an awkward
space because all of the muses that
833
:he had used throughout the eighties
had grown up and were adults now too.
834
:So I wonder if he kind of felt like a
man at a time to where he didn't really
835
:like, okay, I can no longer keep, continue
with the whole high school sub genre.
836
:But all of the.
837
:All of the, the ingredients that I
built this relationship with have
838
:have grown up and moved on without me.
839
:So I wonder if he was in a weird way, in
this transitional phase where he didn't
840
:really know what to do in some ways.
841
:And I realize that sounds like I'm,
I'm throwing shade at Hughes, and I
842
:don't mean to do that at any means,
but I think that could kind of
843
:explain the disconnect that we saw him
experience in that nineties period.
844
:Katie: 100%.
845
:He very clearly, there was a clear
separation and there was a falling
846
:out with Molly Ringwald and Anthony
Michael Hall, because they didn't
847
:wanna keep doing the same thing and,
and I think you're absolutely right.
848
:then he started doing kid fair.
849
:And this one is kind of like a middle of
the road one, but, you know, home Alone
850
:and Beethoven and Dennis, the Menace and
Curly Sue, like those are, that's all
851
:like his nineties movies and Home Alone
two, you know, seem to be more kid fair.
852
:But, but this one is, is still
kind of trying to lean into that.
853
:I think you brought up a good point about.
854
:They're not teenagers.
855
:These two are, you know,
a few years removed.
856
:They're 21 I wanna say.
857
:And yeah, it is like you're
stuck in a target at night.
858
:It's, it's a fun premise.
859
:And it is a fun movie.
860
:Very short though.
861
:I, it went by
862
:very
863
:quickly.
864
:Sean: Mm-hmm.
865
:Katie: I do wanna also quickly
talk about some of the other cast,
866
:including our incompetent robbers we
have Nestor Pyle and Gil Kinney were
867
:the characters' names, which I don't
even know if that ever came up in
868
:the movie, they're played by brothers
869
:in real
870
:life,
871
:Sean: Mm-hmm.
872
:Katie: and Kiran Mulroney.
873
:And this was wild to me to see.
874
:I, I'm unfamiliar with Kieran but but
Dermot, everybody knows Dermo and he
875
:was doing something I'm not sure what
it was exactly, but he was definitely
876
:going for something in this movie.
877
:What did you think of
the, our robbers here?
878
:Sean: I, I honestly think, I
think they're the weakest link.
879
:I really do.
880
:I.
881
:I think that I think Germa Morone is,
like you said, he's doing something, he's
882
:kind of adding, adding something there.
883
:I, I think the partner that they have
partnered him up with his brother actually
884
:kind of hurts the dynamic a bit because
that guy really adds absolutely nothing.
885
:So in the end, it's kind of derma who's,
you know, pretty much carrying most of
886
:the weight there in that relationship.
887
:Katie: Yep.
888
:Sean: But but yeah, I, I, like I
said, I think they're, I, I think
889
:they're kind of a weak element.
890
:They, they don't really pose much
of a threat, to be perfectly honest,
891
:because they seem so inept that you
don't really buy them as, giving Jim
892
:Dodge and and Jennifer Connolly run for
their money in, in any kind of ways.
893
:You know what I mean?
894
:They're just kind of there,
they're kind of dopey.
895
:You can almost tell how we talk
about how this script was templated.
896
:I would not be surprised if the
whole robber element was added in
897
:at the very 11th hour before it
went in production because they
898
:figured, oh, home alone was a hit.
899
:Let's add more of the home alone stew
to, to this particular concoction.
900
:I don't really think they work.
901
:They don't completely derail
the film, I don't think.
902
:But but yeah.
903
:Katie: Yeah, I think there
was something missing there.
904
:They needed to be flushed
out a little more.
905
:It was just sort of
like two movies in one.
906
:There didn't need to be robbers
involved in this situation, but if
907
:you're gonna introduce it, like you
said, because of home Alone yeah.
908
:There, there needed to be more
of a reason why they were there.
909
:They were just, bumbling idiots.
910
:But, you know, it was fun to see Dermot
Mulroney doing something very strange.
911
:He also had an incredible unibrow.
912
:this movie, a couple of the
other characters, so Frank's
913
:parents, we we have Bud and Dotie
Dodge Bud is played by John M.
914
:Jackson.
915
:He looked familiar to me, but
I, I didn't really know why.
916
:And he, but he's best known for playing
rear Admiral AJ Chegg Whitten on the
917
:CBS series, JAG, and also guest star
on its spinoff, NCIS recurring cast
918
:to its spinoff, NCIS, Los Angeles.
919
:He didn't regularly use his middle
initial M, but there was already.
920
:A a John Jackson in the
Screen Actor's Guild.
921
:So he had to use his middle initial.
922
:That's who he is.
923
:And then did you recognize the mom,
Dottie Dodge is played by Jenny O'Hara.
924
:She's a very familiar face.
925
:Did you recognize
926
:her?
927
:Sean: I did, I did.
928
:Who's, who's still around, thank God.
929
:But I rec, I, I recognized her as she
played Doug's mom on king of Queens.
930
:Katie: Yes.
931
:Sean: I remember her in the TV spots
that they would play for this film.
932
:You know, the, those, those quick,
you know, 30 seconds TV spots.
933
:She would always get the scene where
she's at the dinner table with her
934
:mouth full as they're eating dinner
and she says, that's not true, or
935
:whatever, you know what I mean?
936
:For whatever reason, the
TV spots always played.
937
:Her moment when she said that, which
I always thought was kind of a, an
938
:interesting part to play, but yeah.
939
:Katie: It took me a minute to remember
where I was like, God, she's familiar.
940
:But yeah, Doug's mom and also she
was in the Mindy Project, big Love.
941
:My sister Sam transparent was a
TV series, but that I've not seen.
942
:And also Esther Harris and Mystic River.
943
:So she's a super familiar face.
944
:Then we have Noble Willingham,
that is quite a name.
945
:He plays Roger Roy McClellan Josie's dad.
946
:speaking of City s Slickers as one
of the top five movies in 91, he
947
:played Clay Stone in City S Slickers,
I think he is most known for playing
948
:CD Parker on Walker, Texas Ranger.
949
:I have not seen that.
950
:I dunno.
951
:Sean: Okay.
952
:Katie: plays or is played by Barry Corbin.
953
:He's best known for his starring role
as Maurice Minifield in the TV series,
954
:Northern Exposure that ran from 90 to 95.
955
:So smack dab right now.
956
:And he actually earned two Emmy awards.
957
:No nominated.
958
:I don't think you won,
but two noms for that.
959
:So yeah, that rounds out our cast.
960
:we have a very familiar
here for our music.
961
:We talked about him in the Great
Outdoors episode, Thomas Newman, who
962
:is a composer, conductor, orchestrator.
963
:And in addition to being a frequent
John Hughes collaborator, he's really
964
:best known for his film scores Earning
six Grammy Awards, an Emmy Award,
965
:two BAFTAs and 15 Oscar nominations.
966
:So that is Thomas Newman.
967
:I think the, the the music in
this seemed very John Hughey, so
968
:that, that kind of tracks with
your typical John Hughes movie.
969
:Sean: You know, you mentioned music and
what's also interesting, I remember in the
970
:in the TV spots and trailers that aired
on Network TV at the time, but fine young
971
:cannibals, their song she drives me crazy.
972
:Accompanied this film in the trailers.
973
:I don't know if you've seen the trailers,
but they picked a a catchy tune for the
974
:time to, to accompany the the TV spots.
975
:Katie: It wasn't super clear, but I
found a $6 million budget, is pretty low.
976
:A lot of John Hughes movies have
really low budgets, but $6 million
977
:it, it grossed worldwide 11.3
978
:million.
979
:So it was a pretty big disappointment
in terms of box office as we
980
:kind of already talked about.
981
:As you said, you found this movie
982
:fun, as
983
:did
984
:Sean: Mm-hmm.
985
:Katie: Like I had said, I'd not seen
it before, but you clearly have.
986
:What is your history with
career opportunities?
987
:Sean: I remember vi vividly seeing the
TV spots when I was when I was in school.
988
:So I was, I'm trying to think at the
time I was eight or nine years old,
989
:I wanna say something like that.
990
:And so I remember seeing
the TV spots and I was, I.
991
:I was kind of infatuated
with the gimmick of it.
992
:You know, what, what would I
do if I was, you know, stuck
993
:in a target overnight and okay.
994
:With the girl in my dreams.
995
:I didn't really think of that at
the time as I was too young, but
996
:the gimmick of it really sold it.
997
:And yeah, when it came to when
it came to rental I rented
998
:the VHS from my grocery store.
999
:Actually, if you remember those days
when grocery stores rented VHS tapes?
:
00:44:35,808 --> 00:44:37,038
Katie: Yes.
:
00:44:37,203 --> 00:44:38,493
Sean: yeah, I, I rented it.
:
00:44:38,533 --> 00:44:38,803
Yeah.
:
00:44:38,803 --> 00:44:41,793
On a school night, and it's not like
any of the other ones that resonated
:
00:44:41,793 --> 00:44:43,383
with me around that time, you know?
:
00:44:43,433 --> 00:44:45,713
That I would come back to multiple times.
:
00:44:45,813 --> 00:44:50,043
I think Dylan, Ted's bogus journey was
one that I came back to way more often
:
00:44:50,283 --> 00:44:54,543
than, than this particular film, but it
is one, it is in my collection and it is
:
00:44:54,543 --> 00:44:59,903
one that I, I do watch every few years
because it is, a pretty harmless movie.
:
00:44:59,933 --> 00:45:01,073
And again, I wanna stress.
:
00:45:01,853 --> 00:45:06,053
If you look at it in the context of,
you know, compared with the, the 16
:
00:45:06,053 --> 00:45:09,773
candles, the Breakfast Club, the, the,
some kind of wonderful, you know, if you
:
00:45:09,773 --> 00:45:14,443
look at it as a continuation of those
movies, I think it does have a a linear
:
00:45:14,443 --> 00:45:16,843
narrative because it does follow that.
:
00:45:17,123 --> 00:45:20,823
That kid who maybe as awkward and
unsure about his future, and it
:
00:45:20,823 --> 00:45:22,203
seems like everybody else has.
:
00:45:22,533 --> 00:45:26,703
Has their plan, their, their, you know,
five year plan in place except for him.
:
00:45:26,793 --> 00:45:27,303
You know what I mean?
:
00:45:27,303 --> 00:45:30,913
And there are a lot of young
adults who are in that situation.
:
00:45:31,013 --> 00:45:34,763
And yeah, I, one, one thing I will
say, every time I watch this movie
:
00:45:34,813 --> 00:45:39,313
it's one thing that always bothers
me, but he's the night cleanup crew in
:
00:45:39,313 --> 00:45:46,273
the movie, and I don't know about you,
but he's making way more messes than,
:
00:45:46,723 --> 00:45:47,953
than there were in the first place.
:
00:45:47,953 --> 00:45:49,873
So every time I watch this,
I'm always kinda like.
:
00:45:50,188 --> 00:45:51,538
Dude, you're gonna have to clean that up.
:
00:45:51,778 --> 00:45:52,393
Like, what are you doing?
:
00:45:53,103 --> 00:45:54,833
That always gonna bother me, but.
:
00:45:55,066 --> 00:45:59,026
Katie: As an adult, because I
hadn't seen this as a kid, I very
:
00:45:59,026 --> 00:46:01,456
much, that was bothering me too.
:
00:46:01,516 --> 00:46:06,066
Like my My OCD or, or my
just anal retentive nature.
:
00:46:06,066 --> 00:46:07,266
I was like, oh my God.
:
00:46:07,266 --> 00:46:07,476
Yeah.
:
00:46:07,526 --> 00:46:11,936
Also, he's just like things, playing
with things, trying on clothes, and
:
00:46:11,936 --> 00:46:12,896
it's like, you're gonna have to put all
:
00:46:12,896 --> 00:46:13,526
that back.
:
00:46:13,526 --> 00:46:13,766
And
:
00:46:14,021 --> 00:46:14,441
Sean: Yeah.
:
00:46:14,456 --> 00:46:16,736
Katie: It was a little
bit driving me crazy also.
:
00:46:16,836 --> 00:46:18,876
But I don't know.
:
00:46:18,876 --> 00:46:22,686
I feel like they could have elevated
some of the, the adventures.
:
00:46:22,686 --> 00:46:24,036
It was just sort of like.
:
00:46:24,861 --> 00:46:27,021
roller, they roller skated a lot.
:
00:46:27,471 --> 00:46:30,081
But I feel like they could have
done a little bit more like the
:
00:46:30,081 --> 00:46:31,761
adventures, the things he does.
:
00:46:31,761 --> 00:46:33,681
I, they could have gotten
a little more creative,
:
00:46:33,681 --> 00:46:34,041
I feel
:
00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:34,401
like,
:
00:46:34,711 --> 00:46:35,131
Sean: Mm-hmm.
:
00:46:35,241 --> 00:46:38,661
Katie: you know, the, what would you do
if you got stuck in a target overnight?
:
00:46:38,938 --> 00:46:42,828
So I was maybe hoping for a little
more excitement or entertainment in
:
00:46:42,828 --> 00:46:43,728
that area.
:
00:46:44,043 --> 00:46:44,463
Sean: Mm-hmm.
:
00:46:44,853 --> 00:46:47,913
Katie: and maybe that's why they
brought in the robbers to, add another
:
00:46:47,913 --> 00:46:49,983
element , of surprise and intrigue.
:
00:46:50,524 --> 00:46:52,774
Sean: And I'm trying to
think, but security cameras
:
00:46:52,774 --> 00:46:55,564
existed back in::
00:46:55,614 --> 00:46:58,584
I would like to think that he
had to know that everything
:
00:46:58,584 --> 00:47:00,474
was was on camera or maybe not.
:
00:47:00,684 --> 00:47:01,194
You know what I mean?
:
00:47:01,344 --> 00:47:05,994
But as I watched it again I, I kind of
thought to myself, you know, he's making
:
00:47:05,994 --> 00:47:07,644
this mess and he is rollerskating around.
:
00:47:07,794 --> 00:47:10,524
I feel like this is a guy who's
just trying to get through the
:
00:47:10,524 --> 00:47:13,794
night because he doesn't plan on
keeping that job past the night.
:
00:47:14,214 --> 00:47:14,724
You know what I mean?
:
00:47:14,844 --> 00:47:18,084
And I, I see this quite a bit with, with
young adults, they'll try a job out.
:
00:47:18,414 --> 00:47:20,634
They ha they do work at a few
shifts and they're like, Hmm.
:
00:47:21,024 --> 00:47:21,924
This isn't for me.
:
00:47:22,074 --> 00:47:22,734
See you later.
:
00:47:22,764 --> 00:47:25,474
And I kind of wonder if maybe that's
where he was like, you know what?
:
00:47:25,474 --> 00:47:28,654
Look, they didn't gimme the
management job that I thought I
:
00:47:28,654 --> 00:47:30,034
was gonna get from John Candy.
:
00:47:30,184 --> 00:47:32,554
They gave me this cleanup
crew, they locked me in.
:
00:47:32,624 --> 00:47:35,714
Now I'm gonna ride it out until
sunrise, and then I'm gone.
:
00:47:36,044 --> 00:47:37,994
And if I don't even get my
paycheck, then I don't care.
:
00:47:38,324 --> 00:47:42,749
I almost kind of wonder if that was
his mentality, which again is something
:
00:47:42,764 --> 00:47:47,714
that I think a lot of, let's be honest,
fairly irresponsible young adults.
:
00:47:47,954 --> 00:47:49,994
Can certainly relate to,
you know what I mean?
:
00:47:50,714 --> 00:47:53,354
Not looking, not looking beyond
:
00:47:54,014 --> 00:47:55,454
6:00 PM that night.
:
00:47:55,484 --> 00:47:56,174
You know what I mean?
:
00:47:56,174 --> 00:47:58,364
It's just living in the moment
:
00:47:58,414 --> 00:47:59,344
Katie: yeah, I think so.
:
00:47:59,344 --> 00:48:02,434
I mean, he's 21, he's living at
home and he can't keep a job.
:
00:48:02,434 --> 00:48:04,984
So to your point, maybe he doesn't
care if he gets fired because
:
00:48:04,984 --> 00:48:07,594
this is one, one of so many.
:
00:48:08,644 --> 00:48:12,244
String of jobs where he gets fired
from he's aimless and his dad is like,
:
00:48:12,244 --> 00:48:15,964
listen, you gotta get a job, or we're
gonna ship you to your work for your
:
00:48:15,964 --> 00:48:17,764
uncle in some other state or something.
:
00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:22,444
They're like, you, they keep pointing this
out, and I think this was a thing more
:
00:48:22,444 --> 00:48:25,954
so in the eighties and nineties, because
now it seems like a lot of adults live
:
00:48:25,954 --> 00:48:29,974
with their parents, but they're like,
once you're outta school, you either
:
00:48:29,974 --> 00:48:30,634
pay rent or you
:
00:48:30,634 --> 00:48:30,994
leave.
:
00:48:31,169 --> 00:48:31,589
Sean: Mm-hmm.
:
00:48:31,954 --> 00:48:33,004
Katie: that's, the story here.
:
00:48:33,641 --> 00:48:33,941
Sean: Yeah.
:
00:48:33,971 --> 00:48:36,431
No, I mean, and I, and in a lot
of ways, you know, could, could
:
00:48:36,431 --> 00:48:37,721
his dad be a little more loving?
:
00:48:37,721 --> 00:48:38,201
Sure.
:
00:48:38,531 --> 00:48:41,291
But his dad is also a
hundred percent justified.
:
00:48:41,651 --> 00:48:42,191
You know what I mean?
:
00:48:42,341 --> 00:48:44,381
If you're not going to school,
you're not working well, you
:
00:48:44,381 --> 00:48:45,461
need to be doing something.
:
00:48:45,711 --> 00:48:47,271
I've seen this quite a bit,
:
00:48:47,301 --> 00:48:48,201
it's like, dude, like I.
:
00:48:48,531 --> 00:48:49,431
You need to pick a lane.
:
00:48:49,581 --> 00:48:50,721
College isn't for everyone.
:
00:48:50,721 --> 00:48:53,361
I, and I tell this all the time to
my students, I totally get that.
:
00:48:53,361 --> 00:48:53,961
Find something.
:
00:48:53,961 --> 00:48:57,351
If you could find a trade, you're probably
be better off, to be perfectly honest.
:
00:48:57,351 --> 00:49:00,321
But I mean, man, just sitting in existing.
:
00:49:00,711 --> 00:49:06,291
You until you find something that's
not, you know, benefiting anybody.
:
00:49:06,441 --> 00:49:12,151
And so I think that's kind of what
Dodge is, is golly for being::
00:49:12,361 --> 00:49:17,671
It's amazing how that type of
individual still very much exists
:
00:49:18,061 --> 00:49:20,411
today, post, post high school, you know.
:
00:49:20,816 --> 00:49:21,536
Katie: Great point.
:
00:49:21,536 --> 00:49:22,916
I mean, he's 21.
:
00:49:22,946 --> 00:49:27,056
I would say nowadays you find people
in their late twenties or early
:
00:49:27,056 --> 00:49:32,126
thirties, I think partially well to
get to a financial element here in a
:
00:49:32,126 --> 00:49:35,216
minute, but are very expensive now.
:
00:49:35,216 --> 00:49:38,686
So I know that's a part of why a lot of
young people have a hard time moving out.
:
00:49:39,436 --> 00:49:45,016
to that point, Josie says, so she's
this like spoiled rich girl and she's
:
00:49:45,016 --> 00:49:48,316
sick of, living under her father's
thumb and she dreams of, she wants
:
00:49:48,316 --> 00:49:49,996
to go to la they get this plan.
:
00:49:50,206 --> 00:49:51,966
They're like, when we leave here, once we.
:
00:49:52,396 --> 00:49:53,716
Ditch these robbers.
:
00:49:53,716 --> 00:49:55,126
We're gonna go to LA together.
:
00:49:55,126 --> 00:50:02,686
I have $52,000 in my purse, is wild.
:
00:50:02,686 --> 00:50:07,576
And then he says, that's
more than my house cost.
:
00:50:07,846 --> 00:50:12,976
So it just goes to show were much
more affordable back in the day.
:
00:50:14,811 --> 00:50:15,141
Sean: Yeah.
:
00:50:15,201 --> 00:50:15,981
No, no.
:
00:50:16,161 --> 00:50:18,201
To be fair, no, you're
exactly right there.
:
00:50:18,301 --> 00:50:18,991
So yeah.
:
00:50:18,991 --> 00:50:23,191
Isn't it funny when you talk to, you
know, parents and, and family members,
:
00:50:23,191 --> 00:50:26,101
who bought houses back in like the
eighties and early nineties, what they
:
00:50:26,101 --> 00:50:28,381
got 'em for, and you're like, oh my gosh
:
00:50:29,768 --> 00:50:30,548
Katie: that's how much a car
:
00:50:30,548 --> 00:50:31,088
costs,
:
00:50:31,088 --> 00:50:31,478
like what's
:
00:50:31,658 --> 00:50:33,278
Sean: mm-hmm.
:
00:50:33,518 --> 00:50:33,608
Mm-hmm.
:
00:50:34,293 --> 00:50:34,583
Yeah.
:
00:50:35,528 --> 00:50:37,058
Katie: a question for you.
:
00:50:37,178 --> 00:50:39,028
They call Jim, the town liar.
:
00:50:39,028 --> 00:50:40,788
Everybody kind of knows how he is.
:
00:50:40,788 --> 00:50:44,598
He, he lies, he goes from one
shitty job to the, to the next.
:
00:50:45,198 --> 00:50:49,848
But we see him over and over
again trying to impress the
:
00:50:49,848 --> 00:50:52,458
neighborhood kids, like little kids.
:
00:50:52,773 --> 00:50:53,193
Sean: Mm-hmm.
:
00:50:53,898 --> 00:50:54,798
Katie: He's 21 years old.
:
00:50:54,798 --> 00:50:57,018
Why is he trying to impress
the neighborhood kid?
:
00:50:58,098 --> 00:51:00,228
Sean: Because he can't
impress anyone else's own h.
:
00:51:00,813 --> 00:51:02,643
That, that's, it's, it's simple as that.
:
00:51:02,703 --> 00:51:03,303
You know what I mean?
:
00:51:03,303 --> 00:51:04,443
They, they look up to him.
:
00:51:04,713 --> 00:51:07,413
People his own age, people who he's
graduated with, people he is gone to
:
00:51:07,413 --> 00:51:09,513
high school with, they're onto his grift.
:
00:51:09,573 --> 00:51:11,933
They know, what is true and what isn't.
:
00:51:11,933 --> 00:51:12,413
You know what I mean?
:
00:51:12,413 --> 00:51:15,653
But a little kid that's a little
impressionable and doesn't really know.
:
00:51:16,223 --> 00:51:16,553
Yeah.
:
00:51:16,763 --> 00:51:17,213
Heck yeah.
:
00:51:17,218 --> 00:51:21,293
And, and what a great, you know, what a
great final scene though too, where the
:
00:51:21,293 --> 00:51:26,003
kids get to see that, you know, maybe
not everything out of his mouth was.
:
00:51:26,453 --> 00:51:28,043
Was complete crap.
:
00:51:28,263 --> 00:51:30,963
I always loved the ending where,
he's in the car with Jennifer
:
00:51:30,963 --> 00:51:34,093
Connolly and he drives away and
they're like, oh man, he's so cool.
:
00:51:34,183 --> 00:51:38,203
Because in the end Does he, does he
have a career at the end of the film?
:
00:51:38,263 --> 00:51:41,053
No, but he does get to leave the film.
:
00:51:41,153 --> 00:51:45,713
More respected, I think, than he was
when the film where, where we see
:
00:51:45,713 --> 00:51:46,523
him at the beginning of the film.
:
00:51:46,523 --> 00:51:47,078
You know what I'm saying?
:
00:51:47,644 --> 00:51:47,794
Katie: Good
:
00:51:47,794 --> 00:51:48,214
point.
:
00:51:48,609 --> 00:51:52,819
Yeah, so they do end up like jumping
around here, but the, the movie ended.
:
00:51:53,299 --> 00:51:58,039
I, I can't determine whether I think
it was abrupt or not because the,
:
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:03,859
the final scene essentially is they
escaped the robbers and cut to these
:
00:52:03,859 --> 00:52:06,799
two are at a pool in LA in Hollywood.
:
00:52:07,009 --> 00:52:10,069
So they, they did what they
wanted to do, but then that's it.
:
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:13,789
It ends like, so I was like, did
we need more than that or not?
:
00:52:13,789 --> 00:52:14,689
I can't decide.
:
00:52:14,749 --> 00:52:15,649
What do you think, Sean?
:
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:19,169
Sean: I don't know if it's a
matter of, can't deciding, I
:
00:52:19,169 --> 00:52:20,579
think, you know what I mean?
:
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:24,909
It's one of those things where, look,
does he have to have his five-year
:
00:52:24,909 --> 00:52:27,279
plan, you know, immediately laid out.
:
00:52:27,459 --> 00:52:31,539
No, but we, at least, like I said,
I think it was, it's, it's kind
:
00:52:31,539 --> 00:52:32,799
of the hero's journey archetype.
:
00:52:32,799 --> 00:52:33,159
You know what I mean?
:
00:52:33,219 --> 00:52:34,359
He comes back.
:
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To where he started in the film being
his hometown, being his house, but he is
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leaving with a newfound sense of respect.
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00:52:41,649 --> 00:52:42,759
Maybe not so much about himself.
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00:52:42,789 --> 00:52:46,429
'cause he is pretty cocky, but
I think he the people around him
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00:52:46,529 --> 00:52:48,179
certainly know that he can do more.
:
00:52:48,329 --> 00:52:49,499
It would've been nice.
:
00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:51,209
I do think it would've been nice if we.
:
00:52:52,139 --> 00:52:55,079
Did get to see a little bit more closure
between him and his dad at the end
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of the movie because there are a few
scenes in the film that almost come
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00:52:58,944 --> 00:53:00,719
across, across as kind of pointless.
:
00:53:00,839 --> 00:53:01,199
You know what I mean?
:
00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:02,519
There's the scene where his dad
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Katie: Mm-hmm.
:
00:53:03,419 --> 00:53:07,259
Sean: sleep through the night and is
raiding the kitchen and eating chicken and
:
00:53:07,259 --> 00:53:11,819
peanut butter, and you're kind of like,
okay, obviously we have that scene because
:
00:53:11,819 --> 00:53:16,309
he feels a little, he, he doesn't like
the way he left things with Jim, you know?
:
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:18,289
And as a father I
certainly get that as well.
:
00:53:18,289 --> 00:53:18,619
You know what I mean?
:
00:53:18,769 --> 00:53:20,629
Wake up in the middle of the night
and you're thinking, ah, crap.
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00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:21,549
I screwed up there.
:
00:53:21,549 --> 00:53:22,449
I should have been better.
:
00:53:22,839 --> 00:53:26,929
But we don't get that, that scene,
at the end where he and his dad
:
00:53:26,929 --> 00:53:29,989
kind of embrace and his dad's like,
look, I don't expect you to have
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00:53:29,989 --> 00:53:31,519
it figured out, but I love you.
:
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:33,709
And I said for you, we
could have gotten that.
:
00:53:33,919 --> 00:53:34,759
Unfortunately, we didn't.
:
00:53:34,759 --> 00:53:35,689
The film was short enough,
:
00:53:35,959 --> 00:53:36,589
I don't think.
:
00:53:36,604 --> 00:53:39,034
If they would've lost anything, I
probably would've gained something if
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00:53:39,034 --> 00:53:40,354
they, they added that a little bit.
:
00:53:40,354 --> 00:53:42,814
But Did you feel that way though
about those scenes with his
:
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dad in the middle of the night
:
00:53:44,734 --> 00:53:47,224
Katie: yeah, it's not like they
had to cut for time because
:
00:53:47,224 --> 00:53:48,934
this movie was extremely short.
:
00:53:48,934 --> 00:53:49,174
So I agree.
:
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:53,059
That would've been a perfect
way to make us feel, 'cause it
:
00:53:53,059 --> 00:53:54,889
did feel a little abrupt to me.
:
00:53:55,259 --> 00:53:56,444
Yeah, they, they should have.
:
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:59,909
Reconciled the parent
relationship a little bit more.
:
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:05,009
But i'm so glad you brought up that scene
though, Sean, because granted, I don't
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00:54:05,009 --> 00:54:07,709
eat chicken, but he's raiding the fridge.
:
00:54:08,129 --> 00:54:16,559
He sticks a chicken leg in the peanut
butter jar and I was like, oh my God.
:
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:17,654
That's disgusting on so many
:
00:54:17,654 --> 00:54:17,894
levels.
:
00:54:18,614 --> 00:54:18,854
I mean
:
00:54:18,854 --> 00:54:19,534
like, wow.
:
00:54:20,129 --> 00:54:24,539
Sean: Yeah, no not a not very
appetizing, but hey, he's a dad
:
00:54:24,539 --> 00:54:25,829
who's having a sleepless night.
:
00:54:26,489 --> 00:54:27,059
You know what I mean?
:
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:30,159
, I guess it works to
that end, but but yeah.
:
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,379
You know, you mentioned
spring this came out.
:
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Can I just say real quick too,
the other thing too that I think
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00:54:34,539 --> 00:54:38,169
is important to, to note about
this particular film is just that.
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00:54:38,484 --> 00:54:41,824
A movie like this went to theaters,
and I've been saying this numerous
:
00:54:41,824 --> 00:54:45,064
times, I think I've echoed it on my
show when I was going, but I've said it
:
00:54:45,064 --> 00:54:46,504
to, friends and everything like that.
:
00:54:46,714 --> 00:54:50,764
But a movie like, like this
nowadays would not go to theaters.
:
00:54:51,034 --> 00:54:51,724
At best.
:
00:54:51,724 --> 00:54:54,274
It would be premiered on
like a Netflix or a Hulu,
:
00:54:54,764 --> 00:54:55,634
like any, any more.
:
00:54:55,634 --> 00:54:59,964
It seems like the only thing that comes
to theaters are ips and franchises, comic
:
00:54:59,964 --> 00:55:01,494
book, movies, things of that nature.
:
00:55:01,674 --> 00:55:05,334
So it's really kind of cool
that in the spring of::
00:55:05,814 --> 00:55:10,584
This little movie, managed to go
to theaters and boy, oh boy, would
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00:55:10,584 --> 00:55:12,414
I love to go back to those days.
:
00:55:12,524 --> 00:55:19,484
Because we got so much more eclectic,
weird, diverse content that occupied
:
00:55:19,484 --> 00:55:21,194
the multiplexes than we get nowadays.
:
00:55:21,644 --> 00:55:23,649
Katie: The nineties were all about that.
:
00:55:23,699 --> 00:55:25,379
So this is the perfect, opening.
:
00:55:26,084 --> 00:55:28,414
For, a trend that would
continue in the nineties.
:
00:55:28,894 --> 00:55:32,074
While this wasn't like an independent
film, it was like a, a little
:
00:55:32,074 --> 00:55:34,864
film, you know, so I, I agree.
:
00:55:34,864 --> 00:55:40,044
And I also long for the days
of, the nineties, you know,
:
00:55:40,044 --> 00:55:41,124
I wish we could go back.
:
00:55:41,214 --> 00:55:41,904
Speaking of which.
:
00:55:43,014 --> 00:55:47,024
There is a a shot where they're,
they're showing all the items that
:
00:55:47,024 --> 00:55:49,634
the robbers, they're like filling up
their carts, that they're gonna steal
:
00:55:49,634 --> 00:55:51,824
all this stuff from, from Target.
:
00:55:51,854 --> 00:56:00,224
And they, they take this red phone
and I had that exact red phone.
:
00:56:00,224 --> 00:56:02,534
It's got a black handle on a red base.
:
00:56:03,044 --> 00:56:04,364
Do you know what I'm talking about?
:
00:56:04,664 --> 00:56:05,654
Do you remember that scene?
:
00:56:05,684 --> 00:56:06,134
I had that
:
00:56:06,134 --> 00:56:06,314
phone.
:
00:56:06,314 --> 00:56:06,674
I loved
:
00:56:06,674 --> 00:56:06,854
it.
:
00:56:07,274 --> 00:56:08,234
Sean: I remember that scene.
:
00:56:08,234 --> 00:56:10,394
You know, the other scene that I
remember, if we're gonna go back, you
:
00:56:10,394 --> 00:56:14,404
know, looking at Target, but the wall
of tapes, the wall of cassette tapes.
:
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:18,329
I don't know if you noticed that
either, but that was an area
:
00:56:18,329 --> 00:56:22,679
that I loved perusing, cassette
tapes were replaced by CDs.
:
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:25,559
CDs were eventually replaced by
MP three and everything like that.
:
00:56:25,739 --> 00:56:29,399
But you know, it's just wild to think
that there was a time where a Target
:
00:56:29,609 --> 00:56:35,009
had a music section, and the music
section was one, maybe two walls
:
00:56:35,249 --> 00:56:37,259
that from ceiling to the ground.
:
00:56:37,649 --> 00:56:42,059
Were stacked with tapes in
alphabetical order by genre.
:
00:56:42,059 --> 00:56:42,449
You know what I mean?
:
00:56:42,449 --> 00:56:44,699
It was almost, it was, it was
kind of fun in a weird way,
:
00:56:44,699 --> 00:56:45,899
you know, if we could go back.
:
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:47,429
But it was, it was always kind of fun.
:
00:56:47,579 --> 00:56:50,879
You always, I mean, this is before the
age of Amazon too, so if there was a song
:
00:56:50,879 --> 00:56:54,479
that you wanted, if there was a band that
you wanted, whatever it may be, going
:
00:56:54,479 --> 00:56:58,919
to the store and running down, going
alphabetical or to trying to find it.
:
00:56:58,919 --> 00:57:02,099
It almost felt like a fun
scavenger hunt in a lot of ways.
:
00:57:02,616 --> 00:57:03,546
Katie: Great point.
:
00:57:03,546 --> 00:57:07,806
And that scene with the wall of
tapes when Josie's looking through
:
00:57:07,806 --> 00:57:12,786
them, one of the visible titles is
the soundtrack for the Breakfast
:
00:57:12,786 --> 00:57:13,146
Club.
:
00:57:13,626 --> 00:57:13,926
So of
:
00:57:14,061 --> 00:57:14,181
Sean: Oh,
:
00:57:14,316 --> 00:57:17,776
Katie: you know, there's always all these
little John Hughes is notorious for that.
:
00:57:17,776 --> 00:57:19,336
So doing things like that.
:
00:57:19,336 --> 00:57:19,936
So that was kind of
:
00:57:19,936 --> 00:57:20,296
fun.
:
00:57:21,211 --> 00:57:23,431
Sean: yeah, yeah, I did not notice that.
:
00:57:23,431 --> 00:57:25,521
But but yeah, no, it wouldn't,
it wouldn't surprise me.
:
00:57:26,251 --> 00:57:28,771
Katie: Not very much trivia, but
I have a few pieces of trivia.
:
00:57:28,771 --> 00:57:30,961
I'm curious to see what you think.
:
00:57:31,261 --> 00:57:38,101
In the uk this movie was called,
it was released as One Wild night,
:
00:57:38,941 --> 00:57:41,911
which I think is a far better title.
:
00:57:42,271 --> 00:57:45,181
For what this movie is
than career opportunities.
:
00:57:45,181 --> 00:57:45,871
What do you think?
:
00:57:46,728 --> 00:57:48,683
Sean: I, I think I'm gonna
have to kind of disagree there.
:
00:57:48,683 --> 00:57:53,603
I think one wild night is, is much
more, is too much more on the nose.
:
00:57:53,903 --> 00:57:54,503
You know what I mean?
:
00:57:54,503 --> 00:57:56,903
I like the idea of career
opportunities because I.
:
00:57:57,828 --> 00:58:01,998
Again, if you're going along with the idea
of kind of the, the wayward 21-year-old
:
00:58:02,178 --> 00:58:07,338
not knowing his place and needing to
have a career, I think it, it kind
:
00:58:07,338 --> 00:58:09,138
of lends itself well, one wild night.
:
00:58:09,138 --> 00:58:09,408
Yeah.
:
00:58:09,408 --> 00:58:13,958
Maybe that, that particular title
would gotten this maybe a little
:
00:58:13,958 --> 00:58:16,928
bit more recognized to where
more people are talking about it.
:
00:58:16,958 --> 00:58:17,853
Maybe nowadays.
:
00:58:17,933 --> 00:58:19,858
I, I guess I would
assume, but I don't know.
:
00:58:19,858 --> 00:58:21,898
I think the title career
opportunities is pretty apt.
:
00:58:22,318 --> 00:58:22,798
I feel.
:
00:58:22,889 --> 00:58:23,669
Katie: Interesting.
:
00:58:24,003 --> 00:58:25,053
That's fair.
:
00:58:25,053 --> 00:58:28,053
I guess maybe that's why like
I was unfamiliar with this
:
00:58:28,053 --> 00:58:28,593
movie
:
00:58:28,628 --> 00:58:29,048
Sean: Mm-hmm.
:
00:58:29,673 --> 00:58:34,083
Katie: and based on the title, I sort
of thought it would be like a workplace.
:
00:58:34,968 --> 00:58:36,378
Comedy or something.
:
00:58:36,468 --> 00:58:39,858
So I was kind of surprised to
realize what it was actually about.
:
00:58:39,858 --> 00:58:44,028
But you, you bringing up the, the,
his like state of mind kind of makes
:
00:58:44,028 --> 00:58:44,538
sense as
:
00:58:44,538 --> 00:58:44,928
well.
:
00:58:45,183 --> 00:58:45,573
Sean: Yeah.
:
00:58:45,918 --> 00:58:46,308
Yeah.
:
00:58:46,548 --> 00:58:47,298
Yeah, definitely.
:
00:58:47,298 --> 00:58:50,248
But but yeah, it's funny that you
mentioned Jennifer Connolly and
:
00:58:50,248 --> 00:58:51,688
how she is presented in the film.
:
00:58:51,838 --> 00:58:55,698
It's funny, the last time I watched this
my wife was watching it with me and she
:
00:58:55,698 --> 00:58:58,188
was just like, oh my God, her eyebrows.
:
00:58:58,548 --> 00:58:59,988
It's so funny that she mentioned that.
:
00:58:59,988 --> 00:59:02,898
I don't know if you picked up on that
or not, but she was like, you know, her
:
00:59:02,898 --> 00:59:07,158
eyebrows are outta control, you know,
so May, maybe that was a::
00:59:07,158 --> 00:59:07,578
I don't know.
:
00:59:07,878 --> 00:59:09,828
But she, she is, she's
beautiful in the film.
:
00:59:09,973 --> 00:59:11,293
Katie: She really is.
:
00:59:11,343 --> 00:59:12,153
So two things.
:
00:59:12,153 --> 00:59:12,783
Yes.
:
00:59:12,863 --> 00:59:15,953
Eyebrows, like that style of
eyebrows was much more of a
:
00:59:15,953 --> 00:59:17,183
thing in the early nineties.
:
00:59:17,573 --> 00:59:21,593
But b Jennifer Connolly,
it's kind of her trademark.
:
00:59:22,253 --> 00:59:25,883
Like her eyebrows are kind of
what she's, she's always had those
:
00:59:25,883 --> 00:59:26,123
kind of
:
00:59:26,123 --> 00:59:26,603
eyebrows,
:
00:59:26,653 --> 00:59:27,043
Sean: Okay.
:
00:59:27,148 --> 00:59:27,268
Katie: for
:
00:59:27,268 --> 00:59:27,628
that.
:
00:59:28,483 --> 00:59:28,693
Sean: Yeah.
:
00:59:28,693 --> 00:59:29,383
Interesting.
:
00:59:29,493 --> 00:59:34,143
Katie: There were a few other people
considered for our, for Jim and Josie
:
00:59:34,173 --> 00:59:37,983
Terry Polo screen tested for Josie.
:
00:59:38,763 --> 00:59:40,593
That would've been a very different movie.
:
00:59:41,433 --> 00:59:41,463
I.
:
00:59:42,438 --> 00:59:42,978
Sean: Yeah.
:
00:59:43,038 --> 00:59:43,398
Yeah.
:
00:59:43,403 --> 00:59:47,503
And it's, interesting that she
really didn't get her big role until
:
00:59:48,043 --> 00:59:51,423
exactly 10 years later nine years
later, and meet the parents, huh?
:
00:59:52,053 --> 00:59:52,443
Yeah.
:
00:59:52,443 --> 00:59:54,003
And then she also kind of.
:
00:59:54,483 --> 00:59:56,673
Slowly disappeared again, didn't she?
:
00:59:57,193 --> 00:59:59,623
But I, I think Jennifer
Connolly, I mean, she nails it.
:
00:59:59,653 --> 01:00:03,153
I mean, just like Frank, Frank
Whaley nails the role of Jim Dodge.
:
01:00:03,153 --> 01:00:07,063
I think, Jennifer Connolly
really does nail the role of
:
01:00:07,063 --> 01:00:11,373
that bombshell that is that is
sexualized by everybody around her.
:
01:00:11,373 --> 01:00:15,603
Even like her, her dad's, business
partners, which was really gross.
:
01:00:15,873 --> 01:00:17,853
But who, who wants to, break free of that?
:
01:00:18,156 --> 01:00:18,626
Katie: I agree.
:
01:00:18,626 --> 01:00:21,746
Jennifer Connolly was
pretty perfect for this.
:
01:00:21,746 --> 01:00:25,136
She's got that mysterious nature
to her really beautiful kind of
:
01:00:25,256 --> 01:00:31,076
that quietness and, yeah, like a
seductiveness to her that even adults are.
:
01:00:31,661 --> 01:00:34,741
Grossly into I guess
she was 21, but still.
:
01:00:34,811 --> 01:00:40,961
And then I did read that Josh,
Charles and Polly Shore were
:
01:00:40,961 --> 01:00:43,361
both considered for Jim Dodge.
:
01:00:44,231 --> 01:00:45,281
Now Josh Charles.
:
01:00:46,356 --> 01:00:50,436
Was Christina Applegate's love, interest
in Don't Tell Mom, the Babysitter's dead.
:
01:00:50,496 --> 01:00:50,946
And
:
01:00:50,946 --> 01:00:51,306
I never
:
01:00:51,306 --> 01:00:51,966
really loved
:
01:00:51,971 --> 01:00:52,391
Sean: Mm-hmm.
:
01:00:52,996 --> 01:00:54,646
Katie: I, so I don't know.
:
01:00:54,946 --> 01:00:56,836
I guess he would've been
more or less the same.
:
01:00:56,836 --> 01:00:58,786
They're both kind of like, eh to me,
:
01:00:59,776 --> 01:00:59,986
as
:
01:01:00,196 --> 01:01:00,616
Sean: Mm-hmm.
:
01:01:01,156 --> 01:01:05,849
Katie: Pauly sure that
takes it to a goofy level.
:
01:01:05,939 --> 01:01:06,239
And I
:
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:08,459
almost think that would've been funnier.
:
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:09,629
I don't know.
:
01:01:10,889 --> 01:01:12,269
I guess I'm just not a big,
:
01:01:14,279 --> 01:01:15,894
Frank Whaley person, I guess.
:
01:01:17,514 --> 01:01:20,874
Sean: I mean, I, I think it, you know,
look, I, I think it would've worked if it
:
01:01:20,874 --> 01:01:22,953
was Poly Shore, I can certainly see that.
:
01:01:22,953 --> 01:01:27,013
But it also would've become a poly
shore movie, it would've, you know, had
:
01:01:27,013 --> 01:01:28,963
that same type of humor that we saw.
:
01:01:29,183 --> 01:01:30,893
Actually maybe not::
01:01:31,073 --> 01:01:35,543
'cause he really didn't develop the
weasel persona until about a year
:
01:01:35,543 --> 01:01:37,673
later, really, when he was doing MTV.
:
01:01:37,883 --> 01:01:40,943
So maybe he would've been a
little bit more normalized.
:
01:01:41,183 --> 01:01:44,833
I could certainly have seen that
maybe working, but I don't know.
:
01:01:44,878 --> 01:01:47,098
I think Frank Whaley is fun.
:
01:01:47,158 --> 01:01:49,438
I love what they give, you know,
the little characteristic with his
:
01:01:49,438 --> 01:01:53,578
hair, how he kind of has this, Elvis
style hair, he almost feels like
:
01:01:53,578 --> 01:01:55,078
a man at a time in a lot of ways.
:
01:01:55,078 --> 01:01:57,238
You know, like he's from the
fifties, but in the nineties,
:
01:01:57,263 --> 01:01:57,553
Katie: Yeah.
:
01:01:57,658 --> 01:02:00,168
Sean: Even like his clothing that
he is wearing, you know, you know,
:
01:02:00,258 --> 01:02:02,898
I love the scene too, where he's at
the coffee shop at the beginning.
:
01:02:02,928 --> 01:02:03,918
That, that's the other thing too.
:
01:02:05,028 --> 01:02:08,058
The, the scene at the beginning where
he's at the coffee shop, you know, sitting
:
01:02:08,058 --> 01:02:11,208
by himself telling these stories, you
know, trying to get people impressed.
:
01:02:11,508 --> 01:02:13,578
And he's saying, you know,
what are you gonna get?
:
01:02:13,758 --> 01:02:15,588
Is it shashimi or something like that?
:
01:02:15,588 --> 01:02:19,298
This dish, you know, he, he
reminds me of the what's the term?
:
01:02:19,358 --> 01:02:23,108
My daughter taught me, it actually about
a week, a week ago, a pick me girl.
:
01:02:23,378 --> 01:02:23,768
You know what I mean?
:
01:02:24,493 --> 01:02:26,108
He, he kinda reminds me of.
:
01:02:26,888 --> 01:02:30,848
Someone who's purposely just saying
something, thrown it out in the ether
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so that someone could turn their
head and be like, oh, wait a minute.
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You've had that particular dish
from, from this other continent.
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Just so he can get the it's
so cloying, but in a weird
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way that that's his character.
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Katie: Yeah, you bring up good point.
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I don't, I don't hate Frank
Whaley for this, and Yeah, he
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plays that like desperation.
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It's
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Sean: Mm-hmm.
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Katie: character has this desperation
for attention but he's like dorky and
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he gets his dream girl in the end.
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And so it's, every boy's dream,
I guess the end of this movie.
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You guys tell me, tell me what you think.
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Have you guys seen career opportunities?
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Did you like it more?
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Then John Hughes did.
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I did, I think I liked it
more than John Hughes did.
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It's a weird little ride through
target that it won me over
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definitely more than I thought.
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Sean, do you have any closing
thoughts about career opportunities?
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And then tell us where we can find more
of you if you've got anything to plug.
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Sean: Yeah.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, like I said, I don't think
it's John Hughes's best film.
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However, I would say, you know, his final
film was Curly Sue with jim Belushi.
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That was his final film, I would say.
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I think this particular film is
a much better, cap to his career,
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he's known for those
eighties films, so well.
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I think if you were on a marathon and
you started with what was it, 16 candles,
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then Breakfast Club, or excuse me, I
think it was Weird Science First, right?
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Weird Science 16 Candles, breakfast Club.
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Then pretty in pink, then some kind of
wonderful and then career opportunities.
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I think it would be a really
nice cap to that entire that
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entire series in a lot of ways.
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It's, it's not the best.
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I, you know, obviously it's for
good reason that it's not as
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as quotable and iconic, I think
as some of those other ones.
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But I do think it has, you
know, a lot of things of merit.
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Like I said, it is a delightful little
movie that, I don't think it's terrible by
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any means, so I really do appreciate you
extending the invite and allowing me to go
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down memory lane and watch this one again.
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This, this is one that I was able
to show my, my tween at home.
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My pre-teen daughter at home.
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You know, there's a couple parts that
I maybe had to mute or something like
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that, but she did enjoy this one as well,
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as far as as far as any plugs, I really
don't have anything at the moment.
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I think continue checking out the last of
the Action Heroes podcast Network Feed.
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'cause there are some cool shows on there.
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If anyone does want to hear more
of me I think the final 22, 23
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episodes, something like that of my
show are still on that network feed.
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So you may have to go back a bit,
but it's called I Must Break This
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Podcast and they can be found on there.
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Katie: Awesome.
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Awesome.
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Yeah, I would definitely check out Sean's
catalog from I must break this podcast.
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It's, it's fun.
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We all need a little more do in our
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life is what I
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always say.
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I.
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Sean: Mm-hmm.
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Katie: If you had fun with
us on this ride with career
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opportunities, I would very much
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appreciate it.
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If you would let me know
by leaving a review.
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Pretty, pretty please and
until next time, be kind.
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Rewind.