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Episode 21

Black Dog (it is ACTION-packed!) | S1E21

In today's episode, we travel back to May 1998 for the trucker road action movie, Black Dog. And as always, we’ll touch on all the other “happenings” of the time in the time capsule. 

I’m happy to be joined by Scott Murphy of All ‘90s Action, All The Time! & New Horror Express podcasts. Scott is a film podcaster, music reviewer and all round horror/action/metal/comedy/wrestling nerd. You can find him & his work here:

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Transcript
Katie:

Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we're gonna go back to May

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recent movie we'll ever cover,

or at least up until now for the

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Trucker Road Action movie, black Dog.

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And as always, we'll touch on

all of the other happenings of

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the time in the time capsule.

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Today I'm very happy to be joined by

Scott Murphy of all nineties action all

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the time and new Horror Express podcasts.

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Scott, thank you so much for joining me.

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Please tell us about you and your shows.

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Scott: Well, thank you

very much for having me on.

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It's always a pleasure to be

invited onto another podcast.

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So all nineties action all the time is a

monthly podcast where me and my co-host

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Craig look at just nineties action films.

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And we, the format was originally we

would look at individual action stars,

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do seasons on individual action stars.

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That's how we started it.

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We did Segal Stallone,

Kurt Russell Val Kilmer.

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But then we went on to doing

films that correspond to,

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to the year in the nineties.

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So last year we did films in 93.

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This year we're doing films

in 94 and so on and so forth.

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it's really a very simple concept.

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It is literally, we just look

at nineties action films.

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Katie: It's great.

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I, I love it.

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I like both concepts.

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I like the themes of the guys,

like each guy and now the years,

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Scott: And New Horror Express

is actually kinda winding down.

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I've only got two episodes I've got

recorded that I need to release at

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some stage, but then I'm, I'm kind of

ending it there because it was kinda

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too much having the two podcasts.

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But that is was an interview show.

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Where I talked to horror

writers, directors, actors, all,

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all sorts, just any, anybody

working in indie horror today?

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I, I was interviewing them and

we, we did some other side shows.

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We had a side series that looked at

guilty pleasure horrors, and we had

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a couple of times where I was looking

at films from horror film festivals

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and did a couple of specials that way.

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But, uh, as much as it is ending,

there is an archive with, there's

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about 183 episodes available.

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So you can still listen to, to

all those that it's over like

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a kind of five year period

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or?

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Yeah.

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Katie: So people who like

to binge, there you go.

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we will open the time capsule from May

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the time that the movie we're covering,

what was going on at that time.

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Now, for me, I'm in high

school at this time.

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Are you in junior high school or

did they, what do they call it?

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In the uk?

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Scott: They just call it high school.

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We go to primary school from the ages

of like five to, I don't know, like

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11, and then we go, and then we go to

high school from the age of 12 to 18.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, that

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sounds a about right.

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Katie: in like, so like seventh

grade, that's considered high school.

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Scott: No.

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Katie: If you're 12.

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Scott: it?

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No, it's no 12.

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No.

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It must be no, I, no, that's wrong.

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That's wrong.

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It must be 30.

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No, no, it's

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13.

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It's 13.

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It would be the equivalent to eighth

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grade.

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Yes.

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So we, so we do primary school,

which is primary one, one

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to seven, and then we do high school.

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And first year of high school would be the

equivalent of your eighth grade school?

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Yes.

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'cause this 1998 would've been the year

I went into high school when I turned 13.

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Yep, that's

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Katie: Oh, well, so, so technically

speaking, we were both in high

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school, but in America you would've

been in junior high or middle school

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Scott: Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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Cool, cool,

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Katie: similar.

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So I have like far better memories of

this time than the movies that were in the

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eighties or even earlier in the nineties.

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So hopefully this will be fun.

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Popular tv according to the Nielsen

ratings of the 97 98 season.

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This is the finale of

Seinfeld, the finale season.

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Scott: Oh,

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Katie: Er,

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er, as well.

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I remember that show being big.

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And then Veronica's Closet was in the

top 10 shows that show with Kirsti.

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Did you ever see that?

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Scott: Not really.

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I am aware of it.

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No, I did.

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I think it was, you know, I think it was

on somewhere, but it's not one I really

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watched.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Katie: came up in a, in a prior episode

because the guy, her love interest

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in that must have been in the movie.

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I remember enjoying it.

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She runs like a lingerie company and

she's the boss and her name is Veronica.

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Any guess what other big

show was real big at this time,

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Scott: Real big at this time?

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Katie: a sitcom.

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Scott: friends.

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Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Friends.

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This was like prime Friends Time

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Scott: Yeah, I guess it was.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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For sure.

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For sure.

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Katie: touched by an angel,

which I never watched.

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Did you watch that show?

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Scott: No, I'm not even sure

if that made it to the uk.

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Like I, I recognize

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the title, but I don't know.

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No, I never watched it.

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No.

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Katie: is British, actually.

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Her name is escaping right

now, but Long dark Hair.

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Pretty woman.

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Anyway, you guys know

who I'm talking about?

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Union Square?

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Never heard of that show.

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Must have been a one season.

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Anybody who's seen Union

Square, please let us know.

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I am unfamiliar with this show.

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Never even heard of it.

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Also though, home Improvement was a big

show with Tim, the Tool Man, Taylor.

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Scott: Tim Allen.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I, I remember that show.

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That definitely that

was, that was definitely

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on in the uk.

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We I definitely watched that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Katie: The XFiles, which I thought that

was more early nineties, but I guess

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Scott: It ran for years

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though.

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Like, I think ' cause I think it

started in 93 or 94, but it ran

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like the, the initial run ran

through to it was like 10 seasons.

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So it ran through to 2003

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or

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Katie: well then that makes sense.

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I remember catching it from

time to time, but I wasn't like

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a hardcore fan of the X-Files.

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Scott: I think this would've

been kind of the peak of the

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X-Files.

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'cause the X-Files movie

would've come out in 98 as well.

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I remember the X-Files movie.

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I was, I was into the X-Files.

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I liked all kinda the sci-fi shows.

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Katie: I didn't even

know there was a movie.

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Was it with the same actors like the

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Scott: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I can't remember 'cause there's uh, it

kind of bridges like a couple of seasons.

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Like the movie is kind of a weird movie

because it doesn't make a whole lot of

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sense if you're not seeing, it's like it

kind of connects to the season, the season

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finale of, I think season four and the,

the first episode of, I think season five.

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I think that's where it

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bridges.

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Katie: Okay.

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And I would have guessed, I'm not

shocked that you were a sci-fi person

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or that you're a sci-fi person.

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I somehow that train missed me

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But I did watch, just Shoot Me with David

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Scott: Oh, the David Spade.

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show.

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Oh, okay.

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Katie: I loved that show.

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The people in it were really funny.

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Scott: Yeah, I only caught

a couple episodes of that.

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Some of the other sitcoms we've

mentioned, like home improvements and

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friends and Seinfeld I watched and was

a big fan of, but just Shoot Me was

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one of those ones that kind of, I saw a

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few episodes of it, but I

never really got into it.

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Katie: I can see that.

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, so those were the top shows.

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There were some other shows that were

notable in that this was their final year.

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Obviously we talked about

Seinfeld, but that was an event,

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apparently like a two part.

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That was on NBC.

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And people, I feel like still talk

about how terrible that finale was.

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Do you have thoughts

or feelings either way?

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Scott: I quite enjoy the, I don't

like, basically people got upset

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that they, they all end up in

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jail.

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I enjoy, I enjoyed the,

the final episodes.

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I, I think they're still funny.

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I, I think they st I

think they still work.

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It's not the, it's not prime Seinfeld.

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It's not the best, but

I, I, I still enjoy it.

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I have to say I wouldn't have been aware

of this at the time necessarily because.

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I became a bigger fan of Seinfeld in

the two thousands when I like bought

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them on like DVD because Seinfeld

was scheduled real weird in the uk.

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It was on BBC two, which was one of the

four main channels in the UK at the time.

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And it was on at 11 o'clock at night.

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And then you, you know, you would get like

a few episodes and it would disappear for

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a while, and then you got a few episodes.

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So it was, yeah.

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So I, I kind of only saw very sporadic

until I like bought all the box sets.

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Katie: That makes sense.

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I feel like it gained with me

as well a little bit later,

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Scott: Mm-Hmm

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Katie: kind of liked the finale bringing

back in that it brought back all the

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characters from throughout the seasons to

show what terrible people they all are.

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Anyway, that was a, that was an event.

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Other notable finales Geraldo, the talk

show host, he had a show and it ended

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Scott: Mm-Hmm.

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Katie: Grace Under Fire.

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Singled out the MTV show ended 98

step by step with Patrick Dovey Duffy

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and Suzanne Summers ended this year

living single Sybil Murphy Brown.

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USA up all night.

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You probably didn't ever see this.

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I'm assuming it was on the USA network.

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Scott: No, but because like a, like

a horror fan and, and like I've, you

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know, through kinda social media and

stuff like that and like through kind of

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people having kind of horror memories.

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I've become aware of it in the last

kind of few years and I've seen

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clips of it now, so I know what it

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is.

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uk.

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Katie: my gosh, I kind

of forgotten about it.

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It's a weird, it was like a show

that basically just presented a

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movie or and during commercial

breaks, they would have little.

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Segments on whatever, like Gilbert

Godfrey was one of the big hosts of it.

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And it, yeah, it would be like a

cheesy horror movie or like a bad,

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cheesy eighties movie or something.

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And it was on late at

night on the USA network.

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I'd love to hear you all's

memory of USA up all night.

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I feel like there was

like an Elvira person too.

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Woman.

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Scott: Yes.

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I believe so.

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I want to say I think it's,

I think she was called Rhonda

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something.

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Was it?

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Katie: Yeah.

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Scott: Um.

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Katie: Probably, My memory's bad, but I

can picture our living room growing up,

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watching t, watching USA up all night.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Also, I am a big fan of Te Leone and

she had a show called The Naked Truth.

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It was like a newspaper.

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I feel like she was a journalist.

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Scott: Oh,

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okay.

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Katie: it ended in 1998, as did

Family Matters, which was a huge show.

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TGIF and Ellen.

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Ellen, not the talk show,

but her sitcom ended in 98.

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And then some shows that

started this year, Friday Night

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Fights began in 98, apparently.

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Scott: Never heard of it, but Okay.

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Katie: Oh really?

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I sort of thought yeah, I don't,

I never really watched it,

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but I'm assuming it's boxing.

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Like it was a show and they

aired fights Friday night.

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I feel like I've heard of it a lot, but in

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Scott: Okay.

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Okay.

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Katie: not super into boxing.

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Aside from the Rocky movies.

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Scott: Yeah, it's probably if it

was, it is probably something that

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just wasn't aired in the uk it seems.

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Seems like the sort of

thing that I probably

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would've watched if it had

been aired in the uk, but like

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Katie: yeah.

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I'm thinking like, I don't

know, HBO, maybe somebody is

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Scott: Right.

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Okay.

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Katie: listening like,

oh my God, you idiot.

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Also, ERA 98.

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This was the first season for the

Hugeley charmed, the King of Queens

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sex and the city, Dawson's Creek.

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I just recently posted about

Dawson's Creek starting.

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I hated that show.

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It was such a big thing and I was

very annoyed by everyone in it.

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I didn't like it.

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The show, Jesse, with Christina

Applegate, I think it only lasted

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a few seasons, but I loved it.

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I'm a big fan of her.

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Anybody else watch Jesse Also, Felicity.

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I didn't watch it, but it's that girl

with the long, curly hair, and I think

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she's in I wanna say the new show she's in

that's really good is called The Diplomat.

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Scott: Oh, all

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right.

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Okay.

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Katie: like on Netflix or one

of the streamers, the diplomat,

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Scott: Oh, I know who you're talking

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about.

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that actress who's also in the Americans.

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Katie: yeah.

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yeah.

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Scott: Um, oh.

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Katie: Felicity.

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Yeah.

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Scott: Oh, God.

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Katie: What's her real name?

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At

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Scott: I can't.

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Katie: Also total request live.

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TRL on MTV.

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Did you guys watch that?

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Do you remember that

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Scott: when I was a kid.

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We didn't have Sky, we didn't

have like cable or anything.

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We just had the four channels.

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So we didn't get anything like that.

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So if we had Sky, we, we might

have been able to watch it.

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MTV was available in the UK if you had

Sky, but like we didn't have any of

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that.

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So, No, I didn't see any of those shows.

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Katie: Well, I remember t total

request live, TRL being a huge deal

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probably in the early two thousands.

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A lot like Carson Daley was the host.

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You know, and like I'm of the age where

I really care about who all the young

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cool, like Britney Spears and Justin

Timberlake and boy bands and stuff.

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Another show that premiered that's

kind of been in the news a lot lately

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for a notorious actor in it, that

seventies show it started in 98.

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I don't know if I realized that.

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Scott: I, I didn't think

it would be as far back

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as that necessarily.

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I, I thought it would've been like

the early two thousands, like:

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2001, something like that, but no.

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Katie: Yeah.

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I don't know what I thought, but 98, yeah.

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Two guys and a girl.

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I remember this.

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It's like a pizza place they

all worked at or something.

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It didn't last all that long.

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Scott: It's that the Ryan Reynolds one.

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Katie: Ooh.

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Ryan Reynolds.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Good Call And Will and Grace.

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I do remember 98 being about its

first year, and I adore that show.

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Did you ever watch Will and Grace NBC

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Scott: What was in the UK was

channel, channel four which showed

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a lot of the American sitcoms and

will and Grace was one of them.

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They, they tended to show

them one of Friday night,

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um, like friends and, you know,

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Katie: Yeah.

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Well, I'm actually, I'm, I'm curious

now because Yes, so friends, er.

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Will and Grace.

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Those were all on NBC and they might have

even been on the same night I wanna say

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Thursday night was like, must see TV here.

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Scott: mm-Hmm.

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Katie: when you saw those shows, I don't

know why my dumb brain was like, well,

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you just got NBC but you didn't What

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Scott: we did not, uh, no.

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Channel four bought all those.

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Oh, the three shows you mentioned

were all on Channel four.

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Yeah, no they were just bought by, um.

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The, the

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different TV stations, That we have.

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Katie: Duh Katie.

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the only other one

whose line is it anyway?

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Premiered in 1998 I feel like.

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Scott: So this is.

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Katie: is.

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that still on?

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It ran for

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Scott: I don't know.

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Katie: though.

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Scott: It did, it did run

for a really long time.

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Yet curiously, that's one of those

shows that has like both an American

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version and a British version

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and And they used to, yeah, they

used to kind of show both actually.

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But yeah,

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Katie: Who is in the, would I

be familiar with the people that

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were in the British version?

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Scott: no.

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Katie: No.

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Scott: No.

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Katie: Alright, moving on.

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Let's see what the top 10 billboards

were from the very specific

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week that black dog came out.

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So May 1st, 1998.

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Oh my God.

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The number one song.

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I still love this song.

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If, if I'm out like some like at a

bar and this comes on too close by

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Next, do you know the song I'm talking

about, like step back You dancing?

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Kind of close that one.

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Scott: That does sound kind of familiar.

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Um, but.

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Katie: I love it and that's probably a

one hit wonder by next, but great song.

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Shania Twain has the number two

song with you are still the one.

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I remember that being big.

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I'm not a country person, but.

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Shania had a lot of crossover.

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And very pretty

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Scott: Yeah.

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Katie: poppy country songs,

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the number three song is called

Let's Ride, and it's by Montel Jordan

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featuring Master P and Silk, the Shocker.

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This is so very 98.

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Great song.

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Casey and Jojo has the number

four song with all my life.

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I'm sure you know that one.

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Scott: Possibly,

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Katie: My Life.

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A pre for someone Like You, the

Number Five song is Frozen by Madonna.

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Scott: Yeah, I know

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that one.

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Katie: I, that's so funny

because I'm like, what's frozen?

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Scott: Yeah.

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I don't, I dunno why.

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I just I remember she's kinda it's got,

I remember it's got like a weird video.

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She's like out in the desert or

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something.

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Like it's, it's some, yeah.

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Katie: oh, maybe.

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But I was like, God, I love Madonna too.

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And I'm like, what's frozen?

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The number six song is called Body Bumping

Yippy, Yayo by Public Announcement.

431

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That's a certainly a one hit wonder.

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I, I think you'll recall the

number seven song by Savage Garden

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very nineties with truly Madly

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Scott: Oh yeah.

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Katie: Do you remember that one?

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Scott: I do re I do remember

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Katie: Very, this is so very like

late nineties, as is the number

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eight song by everybody Backstreet's

Back by the Backstreet Boys.

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Scott: Yes.

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It's interesting 'cause there's,

there's a bunch of them that I

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just, I'm just not aware of at all.

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And it, it is funny as well

because I decided just because

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I knew you did this bit.

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I knew that these charts are

quite different in the US

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:

to the uk.

446

:

I was like, I was like, I wonder what

the charts looked like in the uk.

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So I looked it up and the only,

the only one, the only one

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that's the same is truly madly

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Katie: Really?

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Scott: the Savage Garden, though

the only one, the only one

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that's the same in the top 10.

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Yeah.

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:

Katie: Well, there's a, so Romeo and

Juliet by Silky Fine featuring Chill.

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Was the number nine song and

number 10, I remember this being

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huge, this like all summer.

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It was like the summer song, sex

and Candy by Marcy Playground.

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:

Was that in your top 10 too?

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Scott: Not for that week,

but I do remember that song.

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:

Uh, I don't know, maybe things were

released at a different time as well,

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but I think Yeah, some, some of

the ones, some of the ones in

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the UK top 10 are very British.

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So.

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Katie: Would I know

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Scott: didn't, I don't know.

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:

I mean, I can run through them

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quickly if you want.

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:

Okay, so at 10 we've got

teardrop by massive attack,

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Katie: Not ringing a bell.

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Scott: Do you know who Massive Attack

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:

are?

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:

Oh,

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Katie: I don't.

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:

Scott: okay.

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They, they're, they're a really cool band.

475

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They're a trip pop band that

were very big in the nineties.

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:

So then in number nine we've got Push

It By Garbage Who were like a kinda alt

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:

Katie: Oh, I loved garbage.

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Yeah.

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:

Scott: And number eight, dance The Night

Away by the Mavericks, which is like a

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kind of country, American kinda country

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thing.

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Thing on my mind by steps who

were like a kinda boy girl band.

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Katie: of steps?

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Scott: Um, Truly Madly

Deeply at number six, Savage

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Garden.

486

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Katie: funny.

487

:

Scott: Like that by run DMC

versus Jason Nevins, which

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is like a remix of an old run

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:

Katie: Yeah.

490

:

Scott: Run DMC song that

was really big in 98.

491

:

That was one of the biggest

hits in 98 and the UK.

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:

Anyway, um, all that I needed

number four by Boy Zone, who were

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a big Irish band at the time.

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Um, feel It by Tamperer featuring Maya

at number three which was a one hit

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wonder.

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Ray of Light by Madonna at number

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two.

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Katie: I, I very much

remember Ray of Light.

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:

Scott: Yeah, yeah, I

guess that was a big hit.

500

:

And then at number one under the

Bridge Stroke Lady Marmalades by the

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All Saints who were our girl group.

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:

Katie: Oh, okay.

503

:

Cool.

504

:

Well, that's interesting.

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:

Thank you for those.

506

:

Before we get into the movie,

there's some news and events

507

:

one of which you could probably

school me on which is the Good Friday

508

:

Agreement is accepted in a referendum

in Northern Ireland with 75% voting Yes.

509

:

Do you remember that at all?

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:

Scott: Yeah, so the very big thing

at the time, it was like seen as

511

:

a, a kind of, um, a kind of early

victory for Tony Blair's government.

512

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I kind of, I mean I didn't read massively

into it 'cause I, you know, at the

513

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time I would've only been not quite 13.

514

:

But I was aware of it.

515

:

It was on the news a lot.

516

:

We listened to the news a lot.

517

:

Dad was quite political and

I became quite political.

518

:

Cause of that really.

519

:

Um, It was a very big deal and I

think it was seen as, as kinda one

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:

of the first kind of triumphs of

the kind of Tony Blair government.

521

:

'cause Tony Blair had just been

elected in, in 97, the year before.

522

:

Which was like a, like

a big deal at the time.

523

:

'cause labor hadn't been in power for,

you know, 18 years and so it was a big

524

:

Katie: The Unabomber, AKA Ted Kozinski

was sentenced to four life sentences

525

:

plus 30 years, which is strange.

526

:

But that was actually a plea agreement

to avoid the death 'cause he would

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:

have received the death penalty.

528

:

Did you guys hear about that?

529

:

Over in, across the pond?

530

:

Scott: Yes.

531

:

I, I, I was,

532

:

We did.

533

:

That news did drift over.

534

:

Yeah, for sure.

535

:

Katie: There were several weddings.

536

:

I guess May is a popular

wedding month, maybe that's why.

537

:

But Ethan Hawk and Uma Thurman, I remember

them being like a big Hollywood couple.

538

:

They married and they divorced in 2005.

539

:

Lance Armstrong got married to

Kristen Richard in May of 98.

540

:

They divorced in 2003.

541

:

Jim Belushi married Jennifer

Sloan in their home garden and

542

:

they are actually still married.

543

:

, supermodel.

544

:

Cindy Crawford.

545

:

Married restaurateur Randy

Gerber in The Bahamas.

546

:

And I think.

547

:

They're also still married.

548

:

Are you a Beastie Boys fan or were you

549

:

Scott: Yes.

550

:

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

551

:

yeah.

552

:

I've got a few of their

553

:

Katie: So, I am going to

mispronounce his name 'cause I

554

:

don't know how to pronounce it.

555

:

Adam Yauch, one of the

556

:

Scott: I think that's

how you pronounce it.

557

:

Yeah,

558

:

yeah.

559

:

yeah.

560

:

Katie: he married, I don't remember this,

but he married the daughter of a prominent

561

:

Tibetan activist, Dechen du in New York.

562

:

Scott: Right.

563

:

I did know he was in, I didn't

know who he was married to, but I

564

:

did know he was into Buddhism, so

565

:

Katie: That makes sense.

566

:

Yeah.

567

:

And

568

:

Scott: and I can't remember if it's LK or

569

:

osh.

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:

I, I,

571

:

Katie: yeah, I don't know.

572

:

Somebody will have

573

:

Scott: remember.

574

:

Katie: correct me.

575

:

But they did stay married until he

passed away, obviously, in:

576

:

So they were still married at that time.

577

:

Frank Sinatra died May of 98.

578

:

He was 82.

579

:

And do you remember hearing

about Phil Hartman's murder?

580

:

The comedian Phil Hartman of

581

:

Scott: Yeah, no.

582

:

I, this is one of those strange

things where I'm not sure if

583

:

I heard about it at the time.

584

:

Um, I de I definitely maybe a couple

years later would've heard about

585

:

it, or I'm aware of the murder.

586

:

I'm aware of the circumstances and,

and everything went on with that.

587

:

And I think Phil Harmon's great, but I,

I don't, I just don't know if I, if I

588

:

actually heard it at the time or not.

589

:

It's, it's one of

590

:

those things of like how memory works and

you're like, was I actually aware of it?

591

:

Yeah.

592

:

Katie: yeah.

593

:

The mind is a funny thing.

594

:

But unfortunately, yeah, he

was murdered by his wife in

595

:

his sleep and he was only 49.

596

:

So yeah, he was great.

597

:

Talented dude.

598

:

Okay, so black dog.

599

:

I am sure that the vast majority of

people have not seen Black Dog before.

600

:

I had not, and I am assuming

you had not either Scott.

601

:

Scott: That is true.

602

:

I had not either.

603

:

Katie: It was, it did not do well.

604

:

So of the month of May, there were a

bunch of big movie releases that I'll

605

:

talk about, but Black Dog came in

number 12 at the box office for May.

606

:

But the big box office movies here

anyway, were Deep Impact Godzilla,

607

:

the Horse Whisperer, city of Angels.

608

:

He got Game I, that's still like

probably one of my favorite movies ever.

609

:

I love he Got Game I.

610

:

A tiny little movie called Titanic.

611

:

what's hilarious is, so this is May, it's

still like the number four or five movie.

612

:

It was released in

December, the prior year.

613

:

So six months later it's still in the

theater A and like topping the box office.

614

:

Scott: yeah, the whole Titanic thing.

615

:

The whole Titanic thing was crazy.

616

:

Katie: Did you go to it at the theater?

617

:

Scott: I did not,

618

:

No, I, I, no, I, I, I didn't, I

didn't have a lot of interest in

619

:

it, and then because it was just

like, there was nothing but Titanic.

620

:

It was, you know, and it, you know,

and so eventually when it came out to.

621

:

Be able to rent on VHS, which

is what we had at the time.

622

:

The

623

:

technology we had at the time.

624

:

I was like, fine, I'll rent it and

I'll watch, you know, because it was

625

:

just, it, it got to the stage where

it felt like everybody had seen it.

626

:

So it felt like I, I was

required to have an opinion

627

:

on it, and I was like,

fine, I'll watch it.

628

:

And then I, and then I

was like, I don't like it.

629

:

Katie: Oh, hot take.

630

:

Do you still not like it?

631

:

Scott: I probably like it more than

when I first watch it, when it I mean,

632

:

there's things that I don't like about

it's, it's not the type of movie for me.

633

:

I like, it's, you know, and it's not,

it's not, it's not because it's a romance.

634

:

There's other romance movies that I enjoy.

635

:

It's just like, it's done in this

particularly cheesy, sentimental way

636

:

that I'm just, robs me up the wrong way.

637

:

And some of the characters are really

annoying and I don't think Leonardo

638

:

DiCaprio's all that good in it.

639

:

I guess I wasn't much of a Leonardo

DiCaprio fan at the time, or up

640

:

until kind of the last decade.

641

:

I've kind of changed my mind

about him, but yeah, and I found

642

:

his character a bit irritating.

643

:

I found Rose a bit irritating.

644

:

I found it like generally a

bit of an aggravating film.

645

:

Um, and,

646

:

Katie: it to see.

647

:

I haven't seen it in a very long time.

648

:

Scott: but again, I, I think like

I've definitely softened on on

649

:

it than when I first watch it.

650

:

I just don't think it's

a movie for a 13-year-old

651

:

boy.

652

:

Really.

653

:

Katie: No it wasn't.

654

:

I remember going to it

though with my boyfriend.

655

:

'cause let's see, I would've

been like 16, 17, maybe.

656

:

So I went to it was, you know, yeah.

657

:

It was a, it was a good movie for

boyfriend girlfriend to go to at that age.

658

:

Scott: Yeah.

659

:

Katie: speaking of renting it and or

buying it on VHS, it was two tapes.

660

:

It was a movie long enough that it,

661

:

Scott: Yeah.

662

:

Yeah, yeah.

663

:

That's right.

664

:

That's right.

665

:

they had put on yeah, that's

666

:

Katie: So then Bulworth was also a big

movie quest for Camelot, Everest and Lei

667

:

Miserable, which I still have not seen

668

:

Scott: yes, I've not seen any of the Lius

669

:

Katie: Yeah.

670

:

It, speaking of some like that,

nothing about that draws me in.

671

:

I mean, it's supposed to be so

great, but I'm like I don't know.

672

:

I'll like it.

673

:

Anyway, those were the big movies.

674

:

Scott, as you are probably aware, season

one of Retro Made is based around both

675

:

Kurt Russell and Patrick Swayze, who

I am calling the ultimate everyman.

676

:

You clearly like Kurt Russell because

you also had a season of his films.

677

:

Do you have any additional

tidbits that you'd like to share

678

:

about either Kurt or Patrick?

679

:

Scott: Yeah, I mean, yes, I'm a,

I'm a, I'm a fan of Kurt Russell.

680

:

That's why we did the, the

nineties season on Kurt Russell.

681

:

And he, he's been in some of

my favorite movies as well.

682

:

The thing is, one of my favorite films of

all time escape From New York is one of

683

:

the, my favorite eighties action films.

684

:

So yeah, I, I've always.

685

:

For a long time being a big

fan of, of Kurt Russell.

686

:

A little side note.

687

:

It was actually a really fun

season to do the Kurt Russell

688

:

season.

689

:

Because it was, the movies were fun and

also when you researched the behind

690

:

the scenes stuff, it was all good

691

:

stuff.

692

:

Like, basically for the egal season,

it was like a nightmare of it.

693

:

Just, it was just, it was just like,

and then, and then he did this,

694

:

and then he, then he had, you know,

physically assaulted this stuntman,

695

:

then he sexually harass this woman.

696

:

You know, like it was just

constant nightmare stuff.

697

:

And then the Stallone stuff, less

of a nightmare, but a lot of diva

698

:

behavior of like, him butting heads

with riders and directors and kind

699

:

of like swaggering around and so, so,

so less depressing, but still kind

700

:

of annoying.

701

:

But Kurt was always like,

no bad notes about Kurt, any

702

:

movie that I researched into.

703

:

It was always like, Kurt was a great

704

:

guy.

705

:

He was super fast, you

know, that's all I got.

706

:

So I, I never, never read

anything bad about him.

707

:

So that was fun.

708

:

Um, and I am less less aware of the

films of Patrick Swayze and but you

709

:

know, coming back to, to my podcast,

he is in one of my favorite nineties

710

:

action films Point Break, which I love.

711

:

Um, so that is my favorite Patrick Swayze

712

:

movie.

713

:

And, yeah, point I love Point Break.

714

:

It, it, it would be in kind

of my nineties action list of

715

:

nineties action films that I love.

716

:

It'd be like top five

717

:

Katie: Ooh, that's pretty high praise.

718

:

High praise.

719

:

So a lot of the movies that Scott just

talked about, guys, we've either covered

720

:

or will be covering on Retro Made.

721

:

What about Roadhouse?

722

:

I love, that's one

723

:

Scott: I do Yeah, yeah, yeah.

724

:

No, no.

725

:

Roadhouse is great.

726

:

I think that's a really fun movie.

727

:

Yeah.

728

:

So yeah.

729

:

I can't, can't go wrong.

730

:

Yeah, I like, I just, because the

trailer dropped, like yesterday, have

731

:

you seen the trailer for the remake

732

:

with Jake

733

:

Katie: Well, we talked about, it's late.

734

:

No, I have not seen the trailer

yet, but I will be covering,

735

:

I'll do kind of like an add-on.

736

:

But we talked about the remake coming with

the guys that I did the Roadhouse episode

737

:

with, and none of us are fans of Remakes.

738

:

But this one I said, I do like Jake

Al, so I will give it a chance.

739

:

But it, it is sort of like,

don't touch Roadhouse.

740

:

How was the

741

:

Scott: Yeah.

742

:

Truly looked all right.

743

:

I was sur surprised.

744

:

Like I didn't know much about it

other than Jake Gien Hall was in it.

745

:

So I was surprised when, like

Connor McGregor was one of the

746

:

henchmen of the bad guys.

747

:

I was like, I was like, oh,

he's he's doing movies now.

748

:

So hopefully I'm, I'm sure that

would've been an interesting

749

:

experience for, for Jake

750

:

Dill Hall.

751

:

Hopefully Connor wasn't coed off his head.

752

:

Katie: Yeah.

753

:

Well, hey listeners, stay tuned because

there will be a little bit of a little

754

:

bonus episode covering that and we'll

see because we were all like, Hmm.

755

:

Connor McGregor Hmm.

756

:

Makes us less wanna see the movie.

757

:

Yeah.

758

:

For lots of reasons.

759

:

Scott: Yes, yes.

760

:

Katie: so if you've listened to the

show, I clearly think that our every

761

:

men, Kurt and Patrick, have similar

features that they look kind of alike.

762

:

Do you at all think that, or do

you think that I'm a crazy person?

763

:

Scott: I don't think

you're a crazy person.

764

:

I had just never thought about it.

765

:

I had never thought about it.

766

:

Never.

767

:

It never occurred to me.

768

:

It never occurred to me that

they looked similar at all.

769

:

And then, but then the more I looked at

the kinda banner photo on your Facebook

770

:

page for a retro made and kinda

looked at the two of them side by

771

:

side, I was like, I can see it.

772

:

Yeah.

773

:

Yeah.

774

:

Alright.

775

:

Alright.

776

:

Katie: You're not

777

:

Scott: Not man.

778

:

Katie: but, but you can see it a

779

:

Scott: No, no.

780

:

I can definitely see it, but you know,

because like I just thought of them as

781

:

different.

782

:

And also like when I was, when I was

looking 'em up as well, I was like,

783

:

for some reason, I guess because.

784

:

I feel in the eighties, Patrick

played kind of younger roles, so like

785

:

I'm, I was surprised that

they're only a year apart.

786

:

Just because like, like, um, I, for,

for the longest time, Kurt, like

787

:

even in the eighties was playing

kinda middle aged guy roles like a

788

:

lot of the time.

789

:

Katie: a good point.

790

:

Patrick's

791

:

Scott: So I think of him as much older.

792

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

793

:

Katie: Really good point.

794

:

I hadn't thought of

that, but you're right.

795

:

Yeah.

796

:

Kurt does he, it's like for 30

years he's played middle-aged

797

:

roles and Patrick is playing

798

:

Scott: yeah.

799

:

Exactly.

800

:

Katie: or something.

801

:

Yeah.

802

:

That's funny.

803

:

Scott: Yeah.

804

:

Katie: Well, shall we finally

get into the movie Black Dog?

805

:

Black Dog was released May

st,:

806

:

It's only got a 5.5 out of 10

IMDB rating, which I have thoughts

807

:

about that I'll get to later.

808

:

The director is Kevin Hooks I mean,

he doesn't have a ton of credits,

809

:

but he is known for directing

passenger 57 and then he's probably

810

:

got a lot more TV directing, so.

811

:

14 episodes of the TV series,

prison Break, five episodes of This

812

:

Is Us and a bunch of other stuff.

813

:

The writers there's two of

them and neither of them

814

:

were well known to me anyway.

815

:

William Berry and Dan Vining and

the music was a soundtrack of

816

:

mostly like country music because

we have a country star in it.

817

:

But the music is done by George S.

818

:

Clinton, who I believe to be like

a pretty well known country artist.

819

:

Are you at all Into country?

820

:

I am.

821

:

I'm like pretty ignorant with it.

822

:

Scott: I am pretty ignorant

of country as well.

823

:

I I'm very much more of a

kind of rock metal person.

824

:

So, so I, I, and like, and also

I was just confused because I was

825

:

like, this is all country music.

826

:

And like the, the music came

up composed by George S.

827

:

Clinton, and my first thought

was, what's George Clinton?

828

:

The guy from like Funkadelic.

829

:

but no, totally different.

830

:

George Clinton.

831

:

Katie: Yeah, the s but yeah, I, I feel

like he's the, I feel like he's like

832

:

a well-known country star or person.

833

:

Scott: To all country

834

:

fans

835

:

Katie: know they're probably

836

:

Scott: complete entrance.

837

:

Katie: they're yelling at us.

838

:

Well, also because the name of

the movie is like a well-known

839

:

Led Zeppelin song too,

840

:

Scott: Yeah, that's right.

841

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

842

:

yeah.

843

:

Katie: But that's not why

844

:

Scott: See that, I do know.

845

:

Katie: that it's, that's

not why it's called that.

846

:

We'll get to why it's

called Black Dog, but.

847

:

So we have our Patrick

Swayze, he plays Jack Cruz.

848

:

He's our main character.

849

:

And then kind of the second lead

is Randy Travis a young Randy

850

:

Travis, and his name is Earl.

851

:

I think everybody probably has at

least heard of him, but yeah, he's a

852

:

musical artist, but I didn't realize

that he was in so many that he was,

853

:

he has acted in a lot of things.

854

:

I didn't realize that.

855

:

So he was also in Deep

Impact and the Rainmaker.

856

:

And we have another musical, like

it's just full of musical artists

857

:

meatloaf, I feel like he has come

up in retro Made a lot lately.

858

:

Like his song was in one of

the top 10 in a prior episode.

859

:

And then I guess.

860

:

I personally just recently watched

for the first time ever, the movie

861

:

the Squeeze with Michael Keaton.

862

:

Have you ever seen that?

863

:

Scott: okay.

864

:

Katie: I hadn't.

865

:

I had not.

866

:

And it's like a late eighties

movie, but Meatloaf plays a

867

:

bad guy in that movie also.

868

:

So I didn't know Meatloaf was

like such an actor either.

869

:

But he plays red.

870

:

Scott: Yeah.

871

:

Katie: and he does, he's actually I don't,

I didn't realize this, but he is known a

872

:

lot more for some like Broadway musicals,

like Hair and Rocky Horror Picture Show,

873

:

which I've not seen either one of those,

which I know is like blasphemous, right?

874

:

I know.

875

:

Scott: So yeah.

876

:

Meat Wolf is, it is interesting 'cause

yeah, I'm sure like Meat Wolff's acting

877

:

career is much more extensive than for

you know, I always just thought of him

878

:

as a musician and then he, and then he

starred in like Rocky Horror Picture

879

:

Show and Fight Club, and I thought

880

:

that was his entire philosophy.

881

:

Katie: Club.

882

:

Yeah.

883

:

Yeah.

884

:

Yeah.

885

:

He's been in a lot.

886

:

I guess

887

:

Scott: Yeah.

888

:

Katie: he, I just find him strange.

889

:

Like the, his very being odd.

890

:

I don't know.

891

:

I maybe it's the name.

892

:

Does anyone

893

:

Scott: Yeah.

894

:

It could, it could be.

895

:

He's, he was an eccentric guy.

896

:

Like he would like, deliberately kind

of make things up to not in a, kind

897

:

of like lying in a kinda devious way,

just in a kind of mischievous way where

898

:

he would just lie about like details

of his biography, like his age and

899

:

stuff like that in interviews just to,

for his own amusement kind of thing.

900

:

Katie: That is interesting.

901

:

I did not know that.

902

:

Good tidbit.

903

:

Then some of the other characters, there's

quite a few familiar faces in this.

904

:

Gabriel Cassius plays Sonny.

905

:

Actually, you know what I might

do is read the description first

906

:

and then come back to the cast.

907

:

'cause that might help make the cast a

little more, make a little more sense.

908

:

If anyone has seen this movie before, I

desperately wanna hear from you and get

909

:

your thoughts, but we are gonna spoil it.

910

:

So watch it and then

come back to the episode.

911

:

But the description, for those of

you who maybe haven't seen it in a

912

:

while, or most likely have not seen

it, we have an ex truck driver, Jack

913

:

Cruz, that's our Patrick Swayze.

914

:

He's released from prison for vehicular

manslaughter after losing control

915

:

and hitting a stranded motorist.

916

:

His family is in danger

of losing their house.

917

:

They have , a foreclosure notice,

so he takes a job from his boss

918

:

driving a truck up from Atlanta.

919

:

They're in New Jersey off

the books, so to speak.

920

:

And the trailer of the truck is

loaded with illegal artillery and red

921

:

meatloaf is hell bent on hijacking it.

922

:

Jack teams up with Earl, who's

our Randy Travis to deliver

923

:

the load and save his family.

924

:

So that's the description.

925

:

We've gone through Jack and

Earl and Meatloaf who plays red.

926

:

And then there's these two guys that are,

I don't know if this is a thing, but they

927

:

drive apparently when there's this felony.

928

:

Being done hauling illegal

items in a semi-truck trailer.

929

:

Best practice must be to have

some protection cars follow it.

930

:

And that's what sunny and West are.

931

:

They drive in this, it's,

it's a very nineties car.

932

:

It's a blue, it's either like

a Firebird or a TransAm or

933

:

something, and it's got T tops.

934

:

Do you know, are you a car person?

935

:

Do you know?

936

:

Scott: I am not a car person.

937

:

Katie: But it's, it's that kind of a car.

938

:

I wanna say it's a TransAm,

Camaro, Firebird type car.

939

:

They drive behind the

truck as like protection.

940

:

So that's Sonny played by Gabriel Cassius.

941

:

He was in Black Hawk down and some music

videos, but he's got a familiar face.

942

:

Brian Vincent plays Wess.

943

:

The other guy that drives in that blue

car, he's not well known, but I did take

944

:

note that he was a Julliard graduate.

945

:

And then we have the boss who

hires Patrick Swayze's character.

946

:

His name in the movie is Mr.

947

:

Cutler.

948

:

More on that later, if that

sounds familiar to anyone.

949

:

He is played by Graham Beckel.

950

:

He did look familiar, but like

he's not super well known.

951

:

I noted that he was in LA Confidential

and also escape plan for any

952

:

Stallone fans out there like me.

953

:

He was an escape plan.

954

:

And then Melanie Jack's wife

is played by Brenda Strong.

955

:

Did you recognize her, Scott?

956

:

Scott: Like a lot of people in

this movie, I recognized her face.

957

:

And then like I looked her up

and I was kind of like, oh, it's

958

:

not like I recognized her for

any particular role necessarily.

959

:

It's just like I've seen her in a

bunch of TV stuff, which it seems to

960

:

be the same for a lot of the people in

961

:

this movie where I like just recognize

their face and being like, oh, it's okay.

962

:

It's just, it's just,

they've popped up in so

963

:

many things that have just,

it's just one of those faces.

964

:

Yeah.

965

:

Katie: That, that is, that's a good

way of describing the, the whole cast,

966

:

aside from like our top three people.

967

:

But Brenda Strong those of you who

watched the giant TV series, desperate

968

:

Housewives, she's the one who's

dead, but she narrates the show.

969

:

That's her biggest credit, in my opinion.

970

:

Scott: Right.

971

:

Okay,

972

:

Katie: And then FBI, agent Ford.

973

:

It was played by Charles s Dutton

and he's like a super, like you

974

:

all know who Charles s Dutton is.

975

:

You might even remember the

name or recall the name.

976

:

A very familiar character actor.

977

:

He's won Emmy's for several of his,

guest spots on TV shows, including Oz.

978

:

He was also in the movie Rudy Aliens

three, and he was the sheriff in a time

979

:

to Kill, and then his kind of counterpart

that he playfully fights with, there's

980

:

animosity between agencies, so it's

the FBI and the a tfs, the A TF agent.

981

:

McLaren, he's a very

familiar character actor.

982

:

Is played by Steven Tobolowsky.

983

:

He's had, he has like

almost 300 acting credits.

984

:

So.

985

:

Scott: Yeah.

986

:

He's in, he's in, he's in just 1,000,001

987

:

things.

988

:

Yeah.

989

:

I, yeah, yeah, yeah.

990

:

And, and Charles s Dutton and,

and Steven Toski, both, both

991

:

being covered on our podcast.

992

:

Well, Charles s Dutton appears

in surviving the game, which

993

:

will be our February episode.

994

:

Um, and Steven Toski was the serial

killer in Glimmer Man, which we covered

995

:

in our very first Steven Segal season.

996

:

Katie: I did not see that movie.

997

:

I am not a

998

:

Scott: You, you don't need

999

:

Katie: yeah, I'm not a

fan of the Steven Segal.

:

00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:16,310

But I did listen to your episode about it.

:

00:47:18,005 --> 00:47:19,145

Scott: it's not one of the best.

:

00:47:19,205 --> 00:47:20,735

It's kind of a seven ripoff.

:

00:47:20,795 --> 00:47:21,875

It's not very good.

:

00:47:22,085 --> 00:47:22,715

It's you.

:

00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:23,570

Katie: Good to

:

00:47:23,735 --> 00:47:25,595

Scott: we watched it so you don't have to

:

00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,030

Katie: Okay.

:

00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:27,890

I, yes.

:

00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:31,810

Like he's in a ton of TV shows too,

. He played Clayton in Mississippi,

:

00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:36,910

burning Ned in Groundhog Day, and he

was also, I feel like one of the, like

:

00:47:36,910 --> 00:47:39,855

police people in Thelma and Louise.

:

00:47:40,695 --> 00:47:45,765

But he was in a ton of episodes

of Ca Fornication as Stew Eggs.

:

00:47:46,155 --> 00:47:47,955

He was Hugo in Deadwood.

:

00:47:47,985 --> 00:47:53,055

So then the name may not sound familiar

to you guys, but you do know his face.

:

00:47:53,055 --> 00:47:54,015

I promised you that.

:

00:47:55,935 --> 00:48:01,155

All right, so this movie costs $30 million

to make, and it only made 13 million.

:

00:48:01,905 --> 00:48:04,365

That's, I wonder why that is.

:

00:48:04,365 --> 00:48:05,295

Do you have thoughts about that?

:

00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:09,870

Scott: It could be that there,

there was other big releases and

:

00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:12,660

it just got overshadowed by that

and it just got drowned out by the,

:

00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:13,890

by the bigger releases that you

:

00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:15,120

talked about in the top 10.

:

00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:21,330

But I think like also even though, and

I'm sure we'll get into it, there is

:

00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:23,310

elements of this film that have very, very

:

00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:31,620

nineties, um, it is also like a film kind

of out of time in the sense of this is a

:

00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:37,590

movie that feels like it should have come

out in:

:

00:48:38,685 --> 00:48:38,805

Is,

:

00:48:39,315 --> 00:48:40,980

Katie: That's a, that's so funny.

:

00:48:41,370 --> 00:48:45,960

There, there probably is a movie

and we just haven't seen it about

:

00:48:46,185 --> 00:48:47,925

Scott: well, I mean like,

yeah, I mean there is

:

00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:51,490

movies like that like, you know, you know,

whether it's the Smokey in the band that

:

00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:53,380

films or like White Lightning Gator, you

:

00:48:53,385 --> 00:48:56,380

know, all those kind, you know,

like all those seventies, but Right.

:

00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,150

But like that very specific, kind of

like that late seventies period that

:

00:49:01,150 --> 00:49:05,050

was like smoky in the bandit jus of

hazards, you know, came on, you know,

:

00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:05,890

all that kinda stuff.

:

00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:10,655

Everything was about kind of like that

kind of the south and car chases and I

:

00:49:10,655 --> 00:49:15,065

feel like is, is, kind of like a late

seventies movie made in the late nineties.

:

00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,790

Katie: Interesting.

:

00:49:16,835 --> 00:49:18,900

Scott: just didn't connect, I dunno.

:

00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:20,180

Katie: That's an interesting take.

:

00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:23,660

I didn't get that feel, but

I see what you're saying.

:

00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:30,510

I had literally, like never, this

is, it is not like this was shown

:

00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:34,560

on cable, you know, like a lot of

other action movies over and over.

:

00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:38,280

I'm not really sure it's,

it really just missed us all

:

00:49:39,795 --> 00:49:40,155

Scott: Yeah.

:

00:49:40,605 --> 00:49:41,895

Katie: well with that.

:

00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:46,230

Your overall, do you have any

overall impressions of the movie?

:

00:49:47,008 --> 00:49:51,808

Scott: So my overall impressions

is like, I enjoyed the movie.

:

00:49:51,838 --> 00:49:53,188

I'm not convinced it's a good

:

00:49:53,188 --> 00:49:56,658

movie, but I did, I, I

did definitely, enjoy it.

:

00:49:57,018 --> 00:50:00,608

And it is very good.

:

00:50:01,268 --> 00:50:04,448

Uh, the movie is very good when it's doing

:

00:50:04,778 --> 00:50:05,288

action

:

00:50:05,393 --> 00:50:06,593

Katie: Yes, I agree.

:

00:50:08,093 --> 00:50:09,113

Scott: It's excellent.

:

00:50:09,173 --> 00:50:10,343

All the stunts are excellent.

:

00:50:10,348 --> 00:50:11,693

All the car chasers are excellent.

:

00:50:11,813 --> 00:50:16,348

All the the, the way the

action is filmed is, is great.

:

00:50:16,348 --> 00:50:17,998

It looks great, everything looks great.

:

00:50:18,188 --> 00:50:19,328

Everything's on point.

:

00:50:19,718 --> 00:50:21,728

It's the things in between that don't work

:

00:50:21,733 --> 00:50:22,298

so much.

:

00:50:22,688 --> 00:50:25,668

And I, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure

there is some things about this

:

00:50:25,668 --> 00:50:27,948

movie that really confuse me

:

00:50:28,338 --> 00:50:33,278

um, that I'm, Basically the thing

that confuses me about this movie is

:

00:50:33,578 --> 00:50:40,178

like the essential plot of the film

in the sense of I don't understand

:

00:50:40,178 --> 00:50:41,528

what the villains are doing.

:

00:50:41,978 --> 00:50:47,798

I don't understand, like, basically

the Jack is taking these illegal arms

:

00:50:48,038 --> 00:50:51,788

to a place and he is supposed to take

them to the place, dump them off at

:

00:50:51,793 --> 00:50:53,738

the place, and then that's it, right?

:

00:50:53,743 --> 00:50:56,078

But then Red tries to hijack it.

:

00:50:56,378 --> 00:51:00,068

So at first I'm like, why are

the villains hijacking their own?

:

00:51:00,398 --> 00:51:02,168

Illegal gun load.

:

00:51:02,408 --> 00:51:04,178

And then I was like, oh no, but it's okay.

:

00:51:04,208 --> 00:51:05,978

'cause like the other guy's like the

:

00:51:05,978 --> 00:51:08,198

main villain, so red is betraying

:

00:51:08,528 --> 00:51:09,368

the main villain.

:

00:51:09,368 --> 00:51:11,108

And I'm like, okay, that makes sense.

:

00:51:11,708 --> 00:51:13,658

But then I'm like, but then why?

:

00:51:13,718 --> 00:51:18,998

But then Jack has agreed that he will

take the guns to the place 'cause

:

00:51:18,998 --> 00:51:20,798

he is got no choice in whatever.

:

00:51:21,398 --> 00:51:27,278

Um, so why is the main villain

Cutler obsessed with getting

:

00:51:27,283 --> 00:51:29,438

Jack and not getting red?

:

00:51:29,768 --> 00:51:30,938

Who's betrayed him?

:

00:51:31,028 --> 00:51:33,968

And if Red hasn't betrayed them,

then it makes even less sense 'cause

:

00:51:33,968 --> 00:51:35,648

they're just hijacking their own loads.

:

00:51:36,038 --> 00:51:39,458

So I, I was just like, throughout

the film, I was just like, I usually,

:

00:51:39,458 --> 00:51:40,958

I don't get into the logic of

:

00:51:40,958 --> 00:51:42,068

like, action plans.

:

00:51:42,098 --> 00:51:43,898

'cause usually they're nonsense.

:

00:51:44,048 --> 00:51:47,678

You know, like I watch a Bond movie,

the villain plan is usually nonsense.

:

00:51:47,678 --> 00:51:49,178

And, and usually I'm fine with it.

:

00:51:49,178 --> 00:51:52,748

But with this particular one I was,

I kind of got really hung up on it.

:

00:51:52,748 --> 00:51:57,038

I was like, I was like, I just don't,

it just doesn't make any sense.

:

00:51:57,068 --> 00:51:58,238

None of this makes any sense.

:

00:51:59,153 --> 00:52:02,783

And also like Cutler is is

not like a great villain.

:

00:52:03,023 --> 00:52:06,983

And you know, he seems really, he

doesn't seem to have a very big gang.

:

00:52:07,193 --> 00:52:11,183

And then once Olive Red Gang gang is taken

out, then he has to do everything himself.

:

00:52:11,183 --> 00:52:13,133

His gang is just him and his henchman, his

:

00:52:13,138 --> 00:52:13,883

head henchman.

:

00:52:14,093 --> 00:52:16,903

And then I was like, he should be

more worried about that than Jack.

:

00:52:16,903 --> 00:52:19,633

You know, like his whole

operation's gone down the sink.

:

00:52:19,663 --> 00:52:22,783

I don't, like he's not

prioritizing at all.

:

00:52:23,833 --> 00:52:25,078

Katie: He is a bad manager.

:

00:52:25,518 --> 00:52:27,078

No, that's so funny.

:

00:52:27,558 --> 00:52:32,198

So, I, I don't know if I was

like, I must have been in a very

:

00:52:32,198 --> 00:52:33,968

forgiving mindset watching it.

:

00:52:33,973 --> 00:52:35,423

'cause I was like, this is good.

:

00:52:36,028 --> 00:52:42,238

I had such little expectation of the

movie and so sometimes that happens.

:

00:52:42,238 --> 00:52:43,198

But I agree.

:

00:52:43,198 --> 00:52:45,178

I was actually impressed by this movie.

:

00:52:45,178 --> 00:52:52,288

I'm like, dang, it's all, for all the

reasons you said it's really done well.

:

00:52:53,188 --> 00:52:55,798

But yes, there are some

pieces in the story.

:

00:52:55,998 --> 00:52:59,658

I agree with you that I

was confused by Cutler.

:

00:52:59,663 --> 00:53:06,798

So the boss forces Cutler's the

boss and he forces Patrick Swayze's

:

00:53:06,798 --> 00:53:09,018

character Jack to, to take this load.

:

00:53:09,018 --> 00:53:11,718

And he knows it's illegal

and he's forcing his hands.

:

00:53:13,698 --> 00:53:21,768

But then there's a point at which along

the journey, Cutler goes to kidnap or

:

00:53:21,768 --> 00:53:24,618

take hostage Jack's wife and daughter.

:

00:53:25,038 --> 00:53:25,998

And I was like, why?

:

00:53:25,998 --> 00:53:27,648

I don't really understand why.

:

00:53:27,648 --> 00:53:30,228

But then I was like,

well, I think he got Word.

:

00:53:30,468 --> 00:53:35,718

Things weren't going well and that

perhaps Jack is thinking about like he

:

00:53:35,718 --> 00:53:37,998

understands the FBI is now on their track.

:

00:53:37,998 --> 00:53:43,063

And so he's thinking that Jack is gonna

give him up and so that's why Cutler

:

00:53:43,063 --> 00:53:48,013

is holding Jack's family hostage to

ensure the safe arrival of the load.

:

00:53:48,643 --> 00:53:50,323

That's kind of how I explained it away.

:

00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,610

Scott: Yeah, I, I, guess so,

but I just don't understand.

:

00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:58,190

The thing that I don't

understand, I guess, is the thing.

:

00:53:58,250 --> 00:54:04,340

The, the thing with red, either red has

been told to do that, which is confusing

:

00:54:04,940 --> 00:54:10,580

or red is betraying Cutler, and Cutler

is more up, more focused on Jack, more

:

00:54:10,580 --> 00:54:15,590

obsessed with Jack than he is on red,

basically sinking his whole operation.

:

00:54:16,545 --> 00:54:18,230

Katie: Yeah, unless, no, I'm with you.

:

00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:23,600

So the way that I understood

it is red is betraying Cutler.

:

00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,070

Scott: Yep.

:

00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:25,670

Okay.

:

00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:26,060

That makes

:

00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:26,480

sense.

:

00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:31,460

Katie: and so he's hijacking the load

that he helped set up for his boss.

:

00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:32,060

Cutler.

:

00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:33,710

You're right, Cutler.

:

00:54:33,830 --> 00:54:37,430

I just think we haven't that's

like the part two, like the sequel.

:

00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:40,940

We just haven't gotten to the point

where Cutler is aware, like he's

:

00:54:40,945 --> 00:54:42,380

focusing on one thing at a time.

:

00:54:42,590 --> 00:54:47,960

I want those weapons and I'll deal with

the fact that I have a traitor in my.

:

00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,510

Force later.

:

00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:51,470

Yeah.

:

00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:51,770

I don't

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00:54:51,995 --> 00:54:55,050

Scott: I get maybe, that's the

best rational rationalization.

:

00:54:55,050 --> 00:54:55,920

Yeah, probably.

:

00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:57,750

Katie: because we do

just have to go with it.

:

00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:59,575

There are bits that are flimsy.

:

00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,520

But I actually even think that

the characters, they weren't just

:

00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:09,410

cardboard cutouts like the the

four guys who are on this adventure

:

00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:11,360

together, like Randy Travis.

:

00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:14,330

At first I was like, yeah,

why is there even another guy?

:

00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:17,750

But they explained that he's

there because he has to drive

:

00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:22,820

the cab back, back to Georgia.

:

00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,970

Once they drop the load off, then

he's gonna leave and bring it back.

:

00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:26,810

Okay.

:

00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:33,080

Then there's the guys in the like

Camaro car following one of them is an

:

00:55:33,085 --> 00:55:35,180

idiot and he turns out to be the mole.

:

00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:36,440

He's a mole.

:

00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:37,950

Telling the FBI 'cause.

:

00:55:39,045 --> 00:55:39,795

All along.

:

00:55:39,795 --> 00:55:42,585

Like they keep, they're like,

how does the FBI keep knowing

:

00:55:43,515 --> 00:55:46,155

where we are at, at all times.

:

00:55:46,695 --> 00:55:51,675

There's a mole, but then we, there's

also, I didn't see it coming that did

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00:55:51,675 --> 00:55:59,110

you see coming that Sonny, so spoiler

alert guys, Sonny, who has bonded

:

00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:01,685

with Patrick Swayze's character,

:

00:56:02,855 --> 00:56:03,155

Scott: Yeah.

:

00:56:03,245 --> 00:56:06,035

Katie: like in a real way I didn't

think they were just interchangeable.

:

00:56:06,065 --> 00:56:06,455

I don't know.

:

00:56:06,455 --> 00:56:06,695

I,

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00:56:07,055 --> 00:56:07,715

Scott: No, no, no.

:

00:56:07,715 --> 00:56:09,425

I, I, I, I, I agree with that.

:

00:56:09,455 --> 00:56:10,685

No, I didn't see that coming.

:

00:56:10,745 --> 00:56:14,305

I didn't see I didn't see it coming

that there was a mole from the FBI,

:

00:56:14,845 --> 00:56:18,445

but then once it was revealed that

there was a mole from the FBI and they

:

00:56:18,445 --> 00:56:20,325

tried to keep it up who's the mole?

:

00:56:20,385 --> 00:56:23,765

I was like, it's sunny, because it

makes the most sense because Errol

:

00:56:23,765 --> 00:56:26,195

is clearly, like Patrick Swayze's

:

00:56:26,195 --> 00:56:27,395

sidekick from the movie.

:

00:56:27,665 --> 00:56:29,075

Wes is clearly an idiot.

:

00:56:29,225 --> 00:56:30,365

So it had to be sunny

:

00:56:30,415 --> 00:56:34,675

Katie: But Wes is the one, I guess

didn't, wasn't Wes the one who has been

:

00:56:34,675 --> 00:56:36,835

making calls, reporting where they are?

:

00:56:38,245 --> 00:56:38,665

Scott: we, yeah.

:

00:56:38,695 --> 00:56:39,565

To too red.

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00:56:39,775 --> 00:56:40,735

Katie: Oh, to red.

:

00:56:40,765 --> 00:56:41,455

Oh, okay.

:

00:56:41,455 --> 00:56:42,235

Yeah, that's right.

:

00:56:42,595 --> 00:56:43,645

So we have a mole.

:

00:56:43,645 --> 00:56:45,205

That's how red keeps finding them.

:

00:56:45,205 --> 00:56:45,625

So yeah.

:

00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,090

Scott: So

:

00:56:46,330 --> 00:56:47,380

we've got two malls.

:

00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:47,680

yes.

:

00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,370

Sunny's, the FBI Mall

and Wes' Red, red Mall.

:

00:56:51,370 --> 00:56:51,640

Yeah.

:

00:56:51,895 --> 00:56:55,155

Katie: So along this journey,

listeners, sorry it doesn't sound

:

00:56:55,155 --> 00:56:58,155

like it's that interesting, but

the, there's a lot of action like.

:

00:56:58,470 --> 00:57:04,500

Like a lot of action, car chase scenes,

explosions, crashes, fighting scenes.

:

00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,660

I think that's all done extremely well.

:

00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:08,220

And there is a lot of it.

:

00:57:08,580 --> 00:57:13,620

So we both have the FBI and the

A TF, so we cut between scenes

:

00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:17,645

of them working together, but

it's like agency versus agency.

:

00:57:17,645 --> 00:57:22,055

So I don't know why both of them are

involved, but they are so they're

:

00:57:22,085 --> 00:57:27,005

tracking their whereabouts and then

red and his like dumb like he's

:

00:57:27,005 --> 00:57:29,855

portrayed to be really stupid junior.

:

00:57:30,285 --> 00:57:31,545

And I even thought that was cute.

:

00:57:31,545 --> 00:57:37,055

Every person has a personality except

for Cutler, but like our four guys

:

00:57:37,055 --> 00:57:40,895

and then red and some of those guys,

they, they do have personalities.

:

00:57:41,955 --> 00:57:47,175

And he keeps showing up with either like

a car or jamming into them or he boxes

:

00:57:47,175 --> 00:57:50,145

them in with a couple of other semis.

:

00:57:50,145 --> 00:57:52,665

And so there's always

trouble along the way.

:

00:57:52,695 --> 00:57:54,075

Nothing is smooth sailing.

:

00:57:54,435 --> 00:58:02,975

So yes, we have Sonny who turns out to

be an undercover FBI agent and he has

:

00:58:02,975 --> 00:58:06,985

put a tracker in, in the trailer part.

:

00:58:07,615 --> 00:58:12,325

And later there's a scene where

Patrick Swayze, after Sonny has

:

00:58:12,330 --> 00:58:15,505

already told him, he's come clean

about it because they've bonded.

:

00:58:15,865 --> 00:58:19,765

And again, spoiler alert, Sonny

dies 'cause he got shot and he dies.

:

00:58:20,935 --> 00:58:25,965

So he, he tells Patrick Swayze

this I'm FBI, just so you know.

:

00:58:25,965 --> 00:58:30,465

So anyway, so then Patrick Swayze finds

that tracker and puts it on another

:

00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:32,625

semi to throw the FBI people off.

:

00:58:33,450 --> 00:58:35,765

And, wes, he's the mole to red.

:

00:58:35,825 --> 00:58:36,905

So that's who we're talking about.

:

00:58:36,905 --> 00:58:37,085

I know.

:

00:58:37,085 --> 00:58:38,255

It seems kind of confusing.

:

00:58:39,625 --> 00:58:41,125

So anyway, I was pretty entertained.

:

00:58:41,125 --> 00:58:43,345

I thought it was a pretty

solid action movie.

:

00:58:43,345 --> 00:58:47,725

I don't, because I expected so

little perhaps, but I was way better

:

00:58:47,725 --> 00:58:49,045

than I thought it was gonna be.

:

00:58:49,815 --> 00:58:57,945

And so we open the opening credits,

have this super like fast-paced, intense

:

00:58:58,185 --> 00:59:00,945

fiddle music over the opening credits.

:

00:59:01,740 --> 00:59:02,550

Scott: that's true.

:

00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:08,000

And it's it's got those kind of, it's

got, it is got those kind of wooy

:

00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:12,080

credits that they kinda whoosh across

the screen, which is such a kind of late

:

00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,150

nineties, early two thousands thing.

:

00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:16,800

I just felt nostalgic

just watching the credits.

:

00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:17,910

I was like, I remember

:

00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:18,150

that

:

00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:18,600

Katie: point.

:

00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:23,010

You're, you're right that is very

late nineties, I knew immediately

:

00:59:23,015 --> 00:59:23,880

what kind of movie it was.

:

00:59:23,885 --> 00:59:27,570

Like it set the stage for, okay,

this is gonna be like in an intense

:

00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,195

situation because that's what's

happening over the opening credits.

:

00:59:31,285 --> 00:59:36,385

And then immediately, like the

opening scene is a car truck chase

:

00:59:36,415 --> 00:59:39,235

with Charles s Dutton, like FBI guy.

:

00:59:39,455 --> 00:59:44,075

So we're immediately put into

this world, and then we only later

:

00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,025

see Patrick Swayze's character.

:

00:59:46,545 --> 00:59:47,655

He's like a mechanic.

:

00:59:47,925 --> 00:59:49,335

I don't, I don't know what kind of a Yeah.

:

00:59:49,335 --> 00:59:50,775

At a trucking company.

:

00:59:51,645 --> 00:59:52,155

Is that what he

:

00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:52,620

Scott: Yeah.

:

00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:53,640

He's, yeah.

:

00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:54,630

That seems to be,

:

00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:58,800

Katie: So it's 98, so when

we're introduced, I loved it.

:

00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,690

I, I thought he looked still really good.

:

01:00:00,690 --> 01:00:03,690

So we have a, would he

be like late forties?

:

01:00:03,695 --> 01:00:05,640

Probably Patrick Swayze at this time.

:

01:00:06,460 --> 01:00:08,020

Scott: I think he'd probably be like.

:

01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:10,090

45, 46,

:

01:00:10,090 --> 01:00:10,750

something like that.

:

01:00:11,545 --> 01:00:14,155

Katie: he of course

still looks really good.

:

01:00:14,155 --> 01:00:15,295

He's got short hair.

:

01:00:15,815 --> 01:00:17,735

His face looked a little puffy,

:

01:00:18,995 --> 01:00:23,535

but, I, I was, I'm there for the Patrick

Swayze all day, every day and like he

:

01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:27,185

has still has a really nice physique

and everything, so, yeah, he's wearing

:

01:00:27,185 --> 01:00:29,615

like his outfit throughout the movie.

:

01:00:29,615 --> 01:00:31,625

He is got, it just looks really great.

:

01:00:31,685 --> 01:00:37,480

He's jeans and a button down plaid

shirt rolled up, you know, that look you

:

01:00:37,485 --> 01:00:39,550

guys like rolled up so you could see.

:

01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:41,500

It's great.

:

01:00:41,545 --> 01:00:44,980

Scott: He, he did, he, he did

look like like I, I mean, I'm, I'm

:

01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:46,210

not watching it with through the

:

01:00:46,210 --> 01:00:51,090

same lens as yourself, but but

like for, from, from my lens, I

:

01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:52,710

was like, I, he does look pretty

:

01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:53,100

cool.

:

01:00:53,130 --> 01:00:56,070

He does, because like you say, he is

got, he's got the rolled up sleeves

:

01:00:56,070 --> 01:00:59,130

and he, he's got like the kind of,

you know, those leather driving gloves

:

01:00:59,190 --> 01:01:03,870

Katie: The fingerless gloves of it all

you guys, there's fingerless gloves.

:

01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:04,830

I mean, you know, you're in

:

01:01:04,890 --> 01:01:05,325

Scott: oh, it's

:

01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,630

Katie: when those come out.

:

01:01:07,695 --> 01:01:08,955

Scott: I was like, he is looking pretty

:

01:01:08,955 --> 01:01:09,345

cool.

:

01:01:09,405 --> 01:01:12,795

Well, I'm like, I was

like Jack, Jack Cruz.

:

01:01:12,795 --> 01:01:13,125

Yeah.

:

01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,140

Katie: Oh, what a name

that now that is a name.

:

01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:19,050

I feel like Sylvester Sloan

would've come up with.

:

01:01:20,055 --> 01:01:20,475

Scott: Yeah.

:

01:01:20,505 --> 01:01:24,495

Jack Cruz is a very kind of like

boilerplate action movie name,

:

01:01:24,525 --> 01:01:24,855

isn't it?

:

01:01:25,155 --> 01:01:25,520

It's yeah.

:

01:01:25,950 --> 01:01:27,800

It's Is the name of an action hero.

:

01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:28,580

Yes, for sure.

:

01:01:29,135 --> 01:01:29,825

Katie: It is.

:

01:01:30,505 --> 01:01:34,105

I somehow have seen like

a lot of trucker movies.

:

01:01:34,145 --> 01:01:41,795

I don't know if this is a whole genre,

but listeners you'll recall, we had our

:

01:01:41,795 --> 01:01:47,015

other everyman, Kurt Russell also played

a trucker in, do you remember which movie?

:

01:01:47,015 --> 01:01:47,495

Scott.

:

01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:50,240

Scott: He played a trucker

:

01:01:50,450 --> 01:01:51,380

Katie: Eighties movie.

:

01:01:51,575 --> 01:01:52,745

Scott: eighties movie.

:

01:01:52,765 --> 01:01:53,420

Katie: a trucker.

:

01:01:53,912 --> 01:01:54,422

Scott: No, I'm not,

:

01:01:54,467 --> 01:01:56,417

Katie: Yeah, you'll know

Big trouble in Little China.

:

01:01:57,062 --> 01:01:58,442

Scott: Oh, of course he plays a trucker

:

01:01:58,442 --> 01:01:58,952

in that movie.

:

01:01:58,952 --> 01:01:59,612

Yeah.

:

01:01:59,642 --> 01:02:00,392

Love that movie.

:

01:02:00,392 --> 01:02:01,412

Yes, of course.

:

01:02:01,412 --> 01:02:02,222

Yes, that's right.

:

01:02:02,222 --> 01:02:02,642

Yeah, yeah.

:

01:02:02,642 --> 01:02:03,032

yeah, yeah.

:

01:02:03,962 --> 01:02:04,472

That's right.

:

01:02:04,487 --> 01:02:08,297

Katie: So we have both Patrick

and Kurt now playing truckers and

:

01:02:08,302 --> 01:02:14,267

there's like another parallel that

I'm big Sylvester Stallone person.

:

01:02:15,017 --> 01:02:16,007

Did you,

:

01:02:16,112 --> 01:02:16,652

Scott: the top.

:

01:02:16,982 --> 01:02:18,362

Yeah, I've seen Over the top.

:

01:02:18,362 --> 01:02:18,662

Yeah.

:

01:02:18,827 --> 01:02:19,667

Katie: The boss.

:

01:02:20,492 --> 01:02:21,062

Scott: Oh,

:

01:02:21,137 --> 01:02:23,777

Katie: in both movies is named Cutler.

:

01:02:24,692 --> 01:02:25,682

Scott: Ah, that's right.

:

01:02:25,922 --> 01:02:26,642

That's right.

:

01:02:26,702 --> 01:02:26,972

Yeah.

:

01:02:26,972 --> 01:02:27,362

Yeah, yeah,

:

01:02:27,362 --> 01:02:34,082

Katie: so three movies now that have

us thinking truckers are hot listeners.

:

01:02:34,082 --> 01:02:34,922

What other movies?

:

01:02:34,927 --> 01:02:36,122

I bet you there's more.

:

01:02:36,332 --> 01:02:41,102

What other movies about truckers We

have, we've now had Sylvester Sloan,

:

01:02:41,102 --> 01:02:42,422

Kurt Russell, and Patrick Swayze.

:

01:02:42,422 --> 01:02:44,522

All super hot dudes playing truckers.

:

01:02:45,932 --> 01:02:46,442

Scott: Yeah.

:

01:02:46,562 --> 01:02:47,852

I, I don't, I don't know.

:

01:02:47,857 --> 01:02:50,822

I don't, I, I, I'm just trying

to think of other truck movies.

:

01:02:50,822 --> 01:02:51,692

I can't remember.

:

01:02:51,992 --> 01:02:53,887

I know that there's I

wouldn't say he's hot though.

:

01:02:54,107 --> 01:02:56,922

There's a, you know, Burt

Reynolds friend and smoking in

:

01:02:56,927 --> 01:02:57,942

the band that he's a trucker.

:

01:02:57,942 --> 01:02:58,722

There's a lot of trucks in

:

01:02:58,722 --> 01:02:59,292

that movie.

:

01:02:59,752 --> 01:03:01,552

Yeah, I can't remember.

:

01:03:02,217 --> 01:03:04,852

I can't really remember

Convoy now that I remember.

:

01:03:04,912 --> 01:03:07,252

I remember there was a lot

of truck rives in the kinda

:

01:03:07,432 --> 01:03:08,152

Katie: Yeah, you're right.

:

01:03:08,157 --> 01:03:11,062

You, you, you're spot

on with that actually.

:

01:03:11,062 --> 01:03:11,632

Yes.

:

01:03:13,632 --> 01:03:15,042

I'm a big dog person.

:

01:03:15,372 --> 01:03:16,722

Do you have cats or dogs?

:

01:03:16,722 --> 01:03:17,832

I feel like you've told me and I

:

01:03:18,042 --> 01:03:20,007

Scott: We, we have two cats.

:

01:03:20,112 --> 01:03:20,472

Katie: cats.

:

01:03:20,502 --> 01:03:20,952

Okay.

:

01:03:22,052 --> 01:03:25,712

I am also, when I say I'm a big dog

person, I mean that in two ways.

:

01:03:25,832 --> 01:03:27,422

I love dogs, but also

:

01:03:27,992 --> 01:03:29,132

I like big dogs.

:

01:03:29,132 --> 01:03:30,392

So I'm a big dog

:

01:03:30,597 --> 01:03:30,817

Scott: Ah,

:

01:03:31,887 --> 01:03:38,037

Katie: There is a gorgeous,

large black dog in this movie.

:

01:03:39,637 --> 01:03:40,922

It is all black.

:

01:03:42,092 --> 01:03:46,562

And it's a pretty large

pit bull with cropped ears.

:

01:03:46,562 --> 01:03:48,122

And people don't do that.

:

01:03:48,122 --> 01:03:49,292

I don't know why people do that.

:

01:03:49,292 --> 01:03:52,682

And he has a, I don't actually

know if it's a boy or girl, but the

:

01:03:52,682 --> 01:03:54,962

stud color, he's in the trailer.

:

01:03:54,992 --> 01:03:59,882

He like, I think it's Earl's dog,

but he's in the trailer part of

:

01:03:59,882 --> 01:04:01,442

the truck as like protection.

:

01:04:01,442 --> 01:04:04,012

He's like a guard dog, but he's not.

:

01:04:04,162 --> 01:04:07,672

I mean, we see him and we're supposed to

think, oh my God, that's a vicious dog.

:

01:04:08,272 --> 01:04:10,042

But it's actually like a super sweet dog.

:

01:04:10,122 --> 01:04:14,412

Anyway, I thought the dog was

absolutely stunningly gorgeous.

:

01:04:14,652 --> 01:04:16,212

Did you take note of the dog at all?

:

01:04:17,322 --> 01:04:18,072

Scott: I did like the dog.

:

01:04:18,102 --> 01:04:18,747

Yes, yes.

:

01:04:18,802 --> 01:04:19,552

It is a cool dog.

:

01:04:19,602 --> 01:04:22,242

Katie: I think we're supposed to be

kind of scared of it at first because of

:

01:04:22,617 --> 01:04:22,947

Scott: Oh Yeah.

:

01:04:22,947 --> 01:04:23,457

for sure.

:

01:04:23,462 --> 01:04:23,652

When?

:

01:04:23,727 --> 01:04:25,887

When he is 'cause he opens

the door and it's girling

:

01:04:25,887 --> 01:04:27,087

at him and all that kinda stuff.

:

01:04:27,087 --> 01:04:28,437

And it looks like he's

about to chew his arm

:

01:04:28,572 --> 01:04:28,872

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:04:28,872 --> 01:04:31,812

And just pit bulls with

the, those short cro ears.

:

01:04:31,812 --> 01:04:34,002

Ugh, if he had floppy

ears, he'd just, ugh.

:

01:04:34,377 --> 01:04:35,337

I don't know why people do that.

:

01:04:35,337 --> 01:04:41,846

Anyway, the dog's name is Tiny and it's

Earl's dog and Earl gets hurt at the

:

01:04:41,846 --> 01:04:46,137

end of the movie and he asks Patrick s

Spacey and his family to take care of

:

01:04:46,137 --> 01:04:48,647

tiny for him until everything blows over.

:

01:04:48,647 --> 01:04:49,517

I think he says.

:

01:04:49,877 --> 01:04:50,507

So

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01:04:50,777 --> 01:04:50,957

Scott: Yeah.

:

01:04:52,427 --> 01:04:54,047

Katie: there's a, there's an

awesome dog in the movie, I

:

01:04:54,047 --> 01:04:55,277

guess is what I'm trying to say.

:

01:04:56,037 --> 01:05:03,987

Meatloaf's character had an

interesting quirk about being, how

:

01:05:03,987 --> 01:05:10,346

shall I say, he was constantly like

quoting the Bible, like he was super

:

01:05:10,352 --> 01:05:12,747

religious like in a freakish way.

:

01:05:13,747 --> 01:05:16,557

While he's committing crimes

and trying to murder people,

:

01:05:16,557 --> 01:05:18,477

he's like quoting Bible verses.

:

01:05:18,507 --> 01:05:19,977

What do you think that was all about?

:

01:05:20,965 --> 01:05:22,540

Scott: I, I don't know.

:

01:05:22,675 --> 01:05:28,460

I, I think it was just I'm not

sure if it was about anything other

:

01:05:28,460 --> 01:05:30,410

than just to give him a quirk,

:

01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,200

just to give him like something

that's, because I feel like

:

01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,430

that's very of the time as

:

01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:40,490

well, like particularly kind of post,

post pulp fiction, that kind of whole

:

01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:45,770

Tarantino influence that seemed to

permeate nineties cinema where sometimes

:

01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,390

characters were, were just given quirks

for no other reason to, just to give them

:

01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:50,840

quirks.

:

01:05:51,050 --> 01:05:53,029

And I kind of feel like this is in that

:

01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:53,420

real.

:

01:05:54,529 --> 01:05:55,820

Katie: I, yeah, you're probably right.

:

01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:57,770

I mean, they were in the south.

:

01:05:57,870 --> 01:06:01,200

I took note of it though 'cause

it was like there was a lot of it.

:

01:06:02,535 --> 01:06:06,730

Scott: I do wonder, like I would be

interested if to, to hear, you know,

:

01:06:06,730 --> 01:06:09,730

if any of your listeners are from

like, I don't know, like Georgia or

:

01:06:09,730 --> 01:06:12,820

Texas or whatever, like what their

thoughts are and some of the characters.

:

01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:17,770

'cause particularly Junior is like

the cartoon stereotype of what people,

:

01:06:17,770 --> 01:06:21,790

people in the south are south of America

are like, you know, kind of like,

:

01:06:22,325 --> 01:06:22,615

Yeah.

:

01:06:23,575 --> 01:06:24,055

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:06:24,055 --> 01:06:26,185

Like he he's so dumb that he's

:

01:06:26,185 --> 01:06:26,665

Scott: yeah.

:

01:06:26,965 --> 01:06:31,460

He, he's, he he's very much

portrayed as the kind of cartoon

:

01:06:31,465 --> 01:06:33,490

version of hick Town America,

:

01:06:33,580 --> 01:06:33,880

you know.

:

01:06:34,615 --> 01:06:35,785

Katie: Like the mechanic.

:

01:06:36,295 --> 01:06:36,565

Yeah.

:

01:06:36,595 --> 01:06:40,465

'cause there's even a, an

exchange between meatloaf.

:

01:06:40,465 --> 01:06:44,815

Like he says something dumb

junior and, and meatloaf is like,

:

01:06:45,445 --> 01:06:46,585

are you planning to have kids?

:

01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:49,625

Meaning you shouldn't because

you're too dumb to procreate.

:

01:06:50,105 --> 01:06:52,745

And he doesn't even get that part of it.

:

01:06:52,745 --> 01:06:55,985

He's oh, well if I find the mi

the right lady, I might, you know.

:

01:06:57,625 --> 01:07:04,495

I remember in the nineties a game,

like a car game that we played

:

01:07:04,495 --> 01:07:07,685

was Del had you heard of that?

:

01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:09,830

Scott: no, I hadn't heard of that.

:

01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,610

It's not something, I don't know if

it maybe didn't make its way to the

:

01:07:13,615 --> 01:07:15,950

UK or, or I just wasn't aware of it.

:

01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:18,025

I'm not, I'm not sure,

but yeah, never played.

:

01:07:18,025 --> 01:07:18,085

It

:

01:07:18,490 --> 01:07:21,040

Katie: So I keep forgetting his name.

:

01:07:21,130 --> 01:07:23,830

Who's the, not sunny but

:

01:07:24,505 --> 01:07:25,225

Scott: was.

:

01:07:25,635 --> 01:07:26,290

Katie: Thank you.

:

01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,120

He says it a few times.

:

01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,320

He's let's pto.

:

01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,140

I wanna hear from listeners

if you're from the US or not.

:

01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,090

Had you heard of this?

:

01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:37,080

Because I took note of it.

:

01:07:37,110 --> 01:07:38,070

Because we did play it.

:

01:07:38,070 --> 01:07:43,940

So the idea is that at night, if a car

has, its one of its headlights out.

:

01:07:44,585 --> 01:07:45,755

I don't know where the name comes.

:

01:07:45,755 --> 01:07:46,115

Why?

:

01:07:46,654 --> 01:07:47,105

I don't know.

:

01:07:47,105 --> 01:07:50,315

For whatever reason you yell

del and hit the top of the car.

:

01:07:51,125 --> 01:07:52,865

And so Wes wants to play that a few times.

:

01:07:52,865 --> 01:07:57,815

The first time he says it, it's light out

and so he's like the dummy of their group.

:

01:07:57,965 --> 01:07:59,615

Sonny's like it's daytime.

:

01:07:59,735 --> 01:08:00,215

What?

:

01:08:01,755 --> 01:08:04,335

Del it was a thing in this movie as well.

:

01:08:05,735 --> 01:08:13,895

The surprise is because I was just in such

an open, like my brain wasn't on at all.

:

01:08:15,545 --> 01:08:17,854

They got me twice in this movie.

:

01:08:18,335 --> 01:08:19,984

Like I did not see it coming.

:

01:08:19,984 --> 01:08:22,444

As we talked about that

Sonny's an FBI agent.

:

01:08:22,955 --> 01:08:25,535

So this movie actually kept me on my toes.

:

01:08:25,535 --> 01:08:28,325

Scott's probably laughing

at me like, you moron.

:

01:08:29,115 --> 01:08:31,484

And then the ending,

there's a false ending.

:

01:08:33,154 --> 01:08:34,430

Scott: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:08:34,475 --> 01:08:35,825

No, no.

:

01:08:35,885 --> 01:08:39,615

The, the false ending didn't

get me because I, I was

:

01:08:39,615 --> 01:08:41,415

like, we didn't see red dye.

:

01:08:41,505 --> 01:08:43,065

Rain has to come back

:

01:08:43,305 --> 01:08:47,265

because like that, 'cause that

plot thread was left hanging, then

:

01:08:47,265 --> 01:08:48,734

the film is not doing its job.

:

01:08:48,765 --> 01:08:50,595

I was like, well, red has to come back.

:

01:08:50,625 --> 01:08:53,055

And then so like, when his car

came back, I was like, well,

:

01:08:53,115 --> 01:08:54,165

okay, movie, you've, you've

:

01:08:54,165 --> 01:08:55,934

done well, you've done,

you, you, you've done.

:

01:08:56,234 --> 01:08:58,575

'cause if the end credits that happened

there, I would've been annoyed.

:

01:08:58,575 --> 01:09:02,205

I would've been like, I would've,

I would've been like, but Red

:

01:09:02,205 --> 01:09:03,345

was one of the main villains.

:

01:09:03,375 --> 01:09:04,904

He has to die on screen.

:

01:09:04,934 --> 01:09:09,675

He can't just be like, crash somewhere

and be annoyed and then not turn up again.

:

01:09:09,915 --> 01:09:13,785

Like the whole main thrust of the movie is

Red has been chasing him this whole time.

:

01:09:14,024 --> 01:09:14,475

So yeah.

:

01:09:14,774 --> 01:09:14,955

Yeah.

:

01:09:15,330 --> 01:09:20,010

Katie: Yeah, so we think the movie's

over, so like the FBI, like the, the

:

01:09:20,010 --> 01:09:26,211

crime law element has been, resolved,

and so the family is just like kind ofri.

:

01:09:26,211 --> 01:09:28,642

They're like, oh, drive the

truck back to the impound lot.

:

01:09:28,642 --> 01:09:32,631

So now it's the family, Patrick, his

wife, his daughter, and now the dog.

:

01:09:32,636 --> 01:09:33,772

They're this happy family.

:

01:09:33,772 --> 01:09:40,761

They're driving the truck

wherever and dumb me.

:

01:09:41,091 --> 01:09:45,242

I'm like accepting this being like, yeah,

that's great, because they're, talking

:

01:09:45,247 --> 01:09:46,412

about going to the basketball game.

:

01:09:46,412 --> 01:09:49,207

Like the daughter is oh, are you guys

gonna come to my basketball game tonight?

:

01:09:49,207 --> 01:09:54,277

And earlier Patrick has said something

to her about getting her a pair of

:

01:09:54,277 --> 01:09:55,837

high top tennis shoes or something.

:

01:09:55,837 --> 01:09:58,897

And so he's yeah, after we get you

a pair of high top tennis shoes.

:

01:09:58,897 --> 01:10:00,847

So I'm like, I'm thinking

that's the resolution.

:

01:10:00,847 --> 01:10:01,987

I'm like, oh, how sweet.

:

01:10:02,407 --> 01:10:05,407

And then boom, here comes

red, like sliding in.

:

01:10:05,407 --> 01:10:09,817

So it got me, you guys, there was

a false ending and it wasn't over.

:

01:10:09,907 --> 01:10:13,477

There was one last there

action scene to take place.

:

01:10:14,912 --> 01:10:16,982

Scott: I know it was, it was

a, it was a good action scene.

:

01:10:17,192 --> 01:10:20,992

I, I love this as much as I

think there's like flaws in this

:

01:10:20,992 --> 01:10:25,312

movie, there are certain things

that this movie does that I love.

:

01:10:25,372 --> 01:10:33,082

I love action movies where things are

just, are just very much of an action

:

01:10:33,082 --> 01:10:34,282

movie that, that take you.

:

01:10:34,552 --> 01:10:37,472

They are out of that, out of

the real world that just really

:

01:10:37,472 --> 01:10:39,272

lean into action movie tropes.

:

01:10:39,542 --> 01:10:44,372

So the action movie trope that

this movie leans into is, as people

:

01:10:44,372 --> 01:10:48,032

have watched action movies a lot,

we'll know everything explodes.

:

01:10:48,362 --> 01:10:51,392

Doesn't matter how just

they just explode on

:

01:10:51,397 --> 01:10:52,082

demand.

:

01:10:52,482 --> 01:10:57,162

That's what happens to when, I mean like

red, you know, has a spectacular crash.

:

01:10:57,162 --> 01:11:00,282

He crashes through a window and

then he runs into his train and

:

01:11:00,342 --> 01:11:03,042

like his truck, you know, explodes.

:

01:11:03,372 --> 01:11:04,482

And I, I, I love that.

:

01:11:04,482 --> 01:11:06,972

And there's some of them that are

really funny and really ridiculous.

:

01:11:07,002 --> 01:11:09,282

There's one of the car chases where.

:

01:11:09,557 --> 01:11:14,937

Jack kind of tells Sonny to do

this particular driving maneuver.

:

01:11:15,057 --> 01:11:19,137

'cause this car is like

bashing in to, to Sonny's car.

:

01:11:19,347 --> 01:11:22,107

And he is you know, and, and like

really hit the accelerator now.

:

01:11:22,677 --> 01:11:28,127

And then Jack hits the brakes, the

car goes into the back of it, kinda

:

01:11:28,127 --> 01:11:31,817

lightly taps the back of the truck

and just immediately explodes.

:

01:11:32,027 --> 01:11:36,827

And I was, I was like, that's the kind

of thing I watch action movies for.

:

01:11:37,607 --> 01:11:38,417

Katie: There were a lot of

:

01:11:38,597 --> 01:11:42,167

Scott: Doesn't make any sense why

these explosions are happening.

:

01:11:42,227 --> 01:11:43,967

Everything just explodes on demand.

:

01:11:43,997 --> 01:11:44,597

It's amazing.

:

01:11:45,347 --> 01:11:48,527

Katie: There was one that made

sense because they hit like a gas

:

01:11:48,587 --> 01:11:53,957

pump and then like a trucking, a

truck carrying gas, like gasoline.

:

01:11:54,107 --> 01:11:55,307

So that one made sense.

:

01:11:55,307 --> 01:11:59,277

But yeah, no, it's yeah, I guess,

like I said, I was just very

:

01:11:59,277 --> 01:12:00,807

open and I was there for it.

:

01:12:00,807 --> 01:12:02,212

And, It was great.

:

01:12:02,212 --> 01:12:07,162

Also, you guys, another reason to

watch is that we get Patrick Swayze

:

01:12:07,162 --> 01:12:12,642

channeling his toughness from his

Roadhouse days playing Dalton.

:

01:12:13,722 --> 01:12:20,142

He's injured and he has to, he has to

fix himself up a La Dalton in Roadhouse.

:

01:12:20,232 --> 01:12:25,977

He cauterizes a wound with

searing it with gunpowder.

:

01:12:26,037 --> 01:12:26,937

Is that what it was?

:

01:12:26,937 --> 01:12:28,017

Did I get that right?

:

01:12:28,227 --> 01:12:28,557

Is that.

:

01:12:28,812 --> 01:12:29,382

Scott: That's right.

:

01:12:29,382 --> 01:12:30,402

He, he quite, yes.

:

01:12:30,407 --> 01:12:31,697

He Sears it, with gunpowder.

:

01:12:31,877 --> 01:12:34,217

And I love this, I love that.

:

01:12:34,217 --> 01:12:39,967

Our action Hero is so amazing

that he's not done this before.

:

01:12:41,407 --> 01:12:44,377

He's not even seen somebody do it.

:

01:12:44,647 --> 01:12:50,227

He just heard somebody talk about this

in prison and just immediately imbibed

:

01:12:50,227 --> 01:12:52,352

that information and knew how to do it.

:

01:12:52,792 --> 01:12:53,932

Katie: I mean, it's Patrick s Spacey.

:

01:12:53,932 --> 01:12:54,232

Of course.

:

01:12:54,232 --> 01:12:54,412

Yeah.

:

01:12:54,412 --> 01:12:59,032

Earl's like Earl saw him do this and

he asks about it later, and yeah,

:

01:12:59,032 --> 01:13:01,552

he tells him, oh, you heard about

it in prison, blah, blah, blah.

:

01:13:02,352 --> 01:13:04,062

Scott: I just wish I

could learn like that.

:

01:13:04,062 --> 01:13:07,242

I could just like overhear

information and then just know things.

:

01:13:07,242 --> 01:13:07,902

Just like

:

01:13:08,997 --> 01:13:09,897

Katie: Osmosis?

:

01:13:10,017 --> 01:13:10,617

Sort of,

:

01:13:11,917 --> 01:13:14,767

I'm not a country person, so I'm

like not familiar with Randy Travis.

:

01:13:14,767 --> 01:13:16,297

Like I know what he looks like.

:

01:13:16,417 --> 01:13:17,797

Probably more so now.

:

01:13:18,037 --> 01:13:25,957

But we have a young Randy Travis, and when

I saw him immediate was like, oh my God.

:

01:13:25,987 --> 01:13:28,797

He looks just did you think

he looked like anybody?

:

01:13:31,167 --> 01:13:32,217

No, just me.

:

01:13:32,562 --> 01:13:33,582

Scott: no, no.

:

01:13:33,897 --> 01:13:34,677

Katie: Gossler.

:

01:13:36,102 --> 01:13:36,582

Scott: Mark Po.

:

01:13:36,847 --> 01:13:37,337

Gossler

:

01:13:37,872 --> 01:13:38,352

all the.

:

01:13:38,547 --> 01:13:39,627

Katie: from Saved by the Bell, but

:

01:13:39,727 --> 01:13:40,477

Scott: Friends saved by the be

:

01:13:40,807 --> 01:13:42,487

Oh, like you mean as he looks

:

01:13:42,487 --> 01:13:43,372

now, or,

:

01:13:43,387 --> 01:13:44,257

Katie: yeah, yeah.

:

01:13:44,317 --> 01:13:46,927

Like an older, like a grownup with a

:

01:13:47,077 --> 01:13:50,077

Scott: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:13:50,077 --> 01:13:52,347

The, the bearded no, I had,

I hadn't thought of that.

:

01:13:52,352 --> 01:13:56,247

That didn't strike me, but now, now

I think about it, yes, because I,

:

01:13:56,607 --> 01:13:59,937

yeah, I saw him in an action movie

like last year or whatever, so yes,

:

01:13:59,937 --> 01:14:02,187

I can picture him as he is now.

:

01:14:02,247 --> 01:14:06,237

Katie: The bit that we didn't talk

about yet was the story of why

:

01:14:06,237 --> 01:14:07,617

the movie is called Black Dog.

:

01:14:09,027 --> 01:14:10,017

What did you think about that?

:

01:14:10,047 --> 01:14:16,392

Scott: for, I I thought I was

kind of, I, I, I wasn't sure.

:

01:14:16,392 --> 01:14:19,752

Like I, it was, it was pretty

entertaining the way it was told.

:

01:14:20,292 --> 01:14:23,532

I was like, my first thought

was like, is this a real thing?

:

01:14:23,622 --> 01:14:23,862

'cause

:

01:14:23,862 --> 01:14:24,222

like.

:

01:14:24,957 --> 01:14:29,527

You know, there's this kind of like

black dog thing of if you're, if you've

:

01:14:29,527 --> 01:14:33,487

overextended yourself and then the black

dog kind of comes and gets you, I was

:

01:14:33,492 --> 01:14:36,667

like, I wonder if this is like a real

trucker superstition, because obviously

:

01:14:36,667 --> 01:14:40,412

there's lots of professions that have

loads of superstitions, particularly like

:

01:14:40,442 --> 01:14:44,462

fishermen, sailors kind of like that, you

know, they're very superstitious people.

:

01:14:44,712 --> 01:14:46,212

I, yeah, that was my first thought.

:

01:14:46,272 --> 01:14:52,412

And then, but the, the way the

flashback is done I think like partly

:

01:14:52,412 --> 01:14:55,652

because it's like a CGI:

:

01:14:55,712 --> 01:14:56,192

black dog.

:

01:14:56,197 --> 01:15:00,412

And then partly because the actors,

the, the, basically the vic vehicular

:

01:15:00,412 --> 01:15:05,382

manslaughter that he causes, the couple

that they got in the flashback, like

:

01:15:05,382 --> 01:15:11,172

they did such kind of hilarious kind

of reaction shots that like, like they

:

01:15:11,177 --> 01:15:16,072

kind of went, ugh, you know, so so it's

supposed to be like this dark moment.

:

01:15:16,072 --> 01:15:19,552

But I ended up laughing because,

it was just so cartoonish.

:

01:15:19,552 --> 01:15:20,482

Then I felt bad about

:

01:15:20,482 --> 01:15:22,642

laughing 'cause I was like, this

is supposed to be a dramatic,

:

01:15:22,942 --> 01:15:24,052

dramatic moment, you know?

:

01:15:25,012 --> 01:15:29,272

Katie: Yeah, so, so listeners, I,

I too wondered Scott, if, if this

:

01:15:29,272 --> 01:15:31,312

is a real, like trekker legend.

:

01:15:31,702 --> 01:15:35,332

So there's a, a story of black dog.

:

01:15:35,572 --> 01:15:42,472

So Earl asks Jack, oh, like something

like, did the black dog come to you?

:

01:15:42,472 --> 01:15:43,162

Or something?

:

01:15:43,162 --> 01:15:45,682

And the idea is that you

push yourself too hard.

:

01:15:45,682 --> 01:15:47,302

You're too, you're tired or whatever.

:

01:15:47,572 --> 01:15:52,792

And then this black dog in your brain,

like in your mind, jumps up at your truck

:

01:15:53,122 --> 01:15:57,322

and causing at least Patrick to slam on

his brakes, lose control of the vehicle.

:

01:15:57,322 --> 01:15:58,552

And then he runs into the.

:

01:15:59,257 --> 01:16:03,187

The motorists and kills them and

so that it goes to prison for it

:

01:16:03,187 --> 01:16:05,827

or whatever, and it's a dark, rainy

night and, you know, whatever.

:

01:16:06,187 --> 01:16:11,987

But yeah, I was, I guess it, to me

it was a bit anticlimactic the story.

:

01:16:11,987 --> 01:16:15,167

Like I thought there'd be more,

I don't know, I wanted more from

:

01:16:15,172 --> 01:16:21,257

the story, especially considering

it's literally the, the name of the

:

01:16:21,347 --> 01:16:23,387

movie, like that's what it's about.

:

01:16:23,957 --> 01:16:28,217

But it, before we get, 'cause

we don't learn this legend or

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superstition or whatnot until

towards the end of the movie.

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So I thought when we're introduced to

the black dog, like the, the actual like

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01:16:37,517 --> 01:16:42,107

black pit bull dog in the truck, I'm like,

oh, is that why this is called Black Dog?

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01:16:42,107 --> 01:16:44,777

I just went with that and then,

nope, that's not, that's not why.

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So listeners, is this a real thing?

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What do you think?

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Scott: Yeah.

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01:16:50,022 --> 01:16:55,927

And also I didn't realize it was

like, 'cause there's, he has a

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01:16:55,927 --> 01:16:59,257

dream that features the black

dog kind of early on in the

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01:16:59,257 --> 01:16:59,647

movie.

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Then, and then they kinda call back to it

when Errol explains the superstition of

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01:17:05,142 --> 01:17:06,672

the legend of the black dog or whatever.

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01:17:07,152 --> 01:17:10,692

And then I, and then I remembered

the dream scene from earlier

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01:17:10,692 --> 01:17:14,382

on and I was like, oh wait,

that was supposed to be a dog.

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01:17:14,532 --> 01:17:17,832

I wrote down in my notes, why

is Patrick Swayze having a

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01:17:17,832 --> 01:17:18,897

weird dream about a panther?

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And

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Katie: It did.

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It was a strange looking, I

kind of thought maybe too.

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Yeah.

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Scott: So I was like,

oh, it's supposed to be a

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01:17:27,307 --> 01:17:27,877

Black dog.

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Katie: dog.

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Yeah.

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01:17:28,627 --> 01:17:29,077

Yeah.

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Scott: enough.

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Katie: Similar.

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There's not a lot of trivia.

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There usually is like a ton, but

a few things that I took note of.

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One thi this is not surprising to

me at all because Patrick Swayze is.

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I just love him so much and he

really kinda takes a role on, he

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did actually go through a real truck

driving school to earn his class A

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Scott: makes sense.

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Katie: commercial driver's license.

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Scott: Yeah.

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That's cool.

:

01:17:56,977 --> 01:17:58,747

That's, that, that

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01:17:58,747 --> 01:17:59,287

makes sense.

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I know that I've read that before that

Patrick Swayze did like a lot of his own

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01:18:03,517 --> 01:18:07,257

kinda stunts and stuff like that,

I do wonder in terms of some of

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01:18:07,257 --> 01:18:10,457

the stunts, I do wonder you know,

how much he did because there's

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01:18:10,457 --> 01:18:11,747

some that are pretty, pretty

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01:18:11,752 --> 01:18:12,527

dangerous.

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Like there, the one, the, the,

particularly the one where he's like

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01:18:16,727 --> 01:18:20,357

dangling off the side of the truck and

then his feet are kind of dangling and

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01:18:20,357 --> 01:18:23,747

then the, the car is kind of coming

at him and he has to lift his feet up

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01:18:23,916 --> 01:18:26,737

and then, you know, put them back down

and then, you know, like all that.

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Yeah.

:

01:18:26,916 --> 01:18:31,897

I, I was like, I was like, oh, that's

even, even obviously the, you know, in, in

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01:18:31,897 --> 01:18:35,227

real life we'd be doing it very slow and

there there'd be all these kind of other

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01:18:35,227 --> 01:18:36,787

protections around it and stuff like that.

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01:18:36,787 --> 01:18:40,057

But still, I was like, if he's doing

that himself, you know, that's,

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01:18:40,057 --> 01:18:41,557

that's pretty hardcore and that

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01:18:42,012 --> 01:18:42,637

Katie: I wonder.

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01:18:42,637 --> 01:18:42,907

Yeah.

:

01:18:42,907 --> 01:18:44,947

That, that is a dangerous st stunt.

:

01:18:45,007 --> 01:18:49,687

I mean, he's not 25 anymore,

but it's Patrick Swayze.

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01:18:49,977 --> 01:18:50,367

So yeah.

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01:18:50,372 --> 01:18:50,907

I don't know.

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01:18:51,297 --> 01:18:53,067

Somebody, somebody let us know.

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01:18:54,117 --> 01:18:56,877

I, all the thousands of

people who've seen black dog.

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01:18:57,597 --> 01:19:01,737

Okay, this one casting what

ifs are always wild to me.

:

01:19:02,217 --> 01:19:05,217

This one is I almost don't have words.

:

01:19:05,217 --> 01:19:06,267

I don't have words.

:

01:19:06,987 --> 01:19:09,297

Kevin Sorbo.

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01:19:09,882 --> 01:19:15,222

Was originally signed to Star

instead of Patrick Swayze.

:

01:19:15,312 --> 01:19:19,002

Kevin Sorbo, isn't he the Conan?

:

01:19:19,032 --> 01:19:19,972

What he played?

:

01:19:20,352 --> 01:19:25,137

Scott: Yeah, he played Hercules in,

in the, the, the Legend of Hercules TV

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01:19:25,137 --> 01:19:25,587

series.

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01:19:25,962 --> 01:19:28,522

And yeah, like the, or the, yes.

:

01:19:28,582 --> 01:19:32,332

He played Hercules in the Hercules

TV series in the late nineties and

:

01:19:32,362 --> 01:19:33,772

that's what he's most famous for.

:

01:19:33,777 --> 01:19:34,132

That.

:

01:19:34,132 --> 01:19:36,952

And there was a sci-fi

show called Andromeda,

:

01:19:37,342 --> 01:19:41,062

um, that, that he was he

was, he was in that as well.

:

01:19:41,182 --> 01:19:45,172

But I think he's most famous for playing

Hercules in the Hercules TV show.

:

01:19:45,232 --> 01:19:49,802

He has a, I have no idea why

that man ever had a career.

:

01:19:49,892 --> 01:19:52,592

He is the, the blandest action star.

:

01:19:53,522 --> 01:19:56,012

I have there, there's some

actors, there's some action

:

01:19:56,017 --> 01:19:57,212

stars that I'm not like a fan of.

:

01:19:57,242 --> 01:19:59,822

I know, like I'm not a fan

of Kevin Turbo for a bunch of

:

01:19:59,822 --> 01:20:00,392

reasons.

:

01:20:00,732 --> 01:20:03,532

You know, but just purely on his acting.

:

01:20:03,532 --> 01:20:07,942

Just purely he is one of

the most wooden, I no idea.

:

01:20:07,947 --> 01:20:10,067

I mean, I know like

physique wise, he's got

:

01:20:10,067 --> 01:20:13,757

like a decent physique or whatever,

which is pro, which is, I assume is why

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01:20:13,757 --> 01:20:16,127

he is played Hercules or whatever, but.

:

01:20:17,177 --> 01:20:19,967

I, I just, I mean, I

couldn't watch that show.

:

01:20:19,967 --> 01:20:21,107

I like action shows like

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01:20:21,107 --> 01:20:21,347

that.

:

01:20:21,347 --> 01:20:25,607

I love Zena Warrior Princess, which

is like a spinoff of that show, but I

:

01:20:25,607 --> 01:20:29,477

couldn't, I couldn't with Hercules 'cause

he's, he's just such a terrible actor.

:

01:20:29,747 --> 01:20:31,727

One of the worst leading men of all time.

:

01:20:31,892 --> 01:20:33,107

Katie: I, I fully agree.

:

01:20:33,107 --> 01:20:38,502

That's, and so, and I feel like Patrick

Swayze is so talented as an actor,

:

01:20:38,772 --> 01:20:45,642

and so I'm like, what, how, how, what

Twilight Zone or are we working with

:

01:20:45,642 --> 01:20:48,942

where Kevin Sorbo was the original

and he had to pull out due to medical

:

01:20:48,942 --> 01:20:54,132

problems and they're like, oh, let's

look at, they got Patrick Swayze instead.

:

01:20:55,482 --> 01:20:55,962

Scott: wow.

:

01:20:56,437 --> 01:20:59,172

I mean, that is, that is crazy

that Patrick s Sweezy was,

:

01:20:59,232 --> 01:21:01,002

was second choice to Kevin.

:

01:21:01,002 --> 01:21:03,972

So the, I've, I've not seen

tons of Patrick s Sweezy movies.

:

01:21:04,977 --> 01:21:06,357

I do like him in some things.

:

01:21:06,507 --> 01:21:10,177

He is 10 times the actor

that Kevin Sorbo is like

:

01:21:11,047 --> 01:21:11,767

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:21:11,916 --> 01:21:12,787

Scott: not even close.

:

01:21:14,437 --> 01:21:15,367

Katie: bazillion times.

:

01:21:15,372 --> 01:21:18,997

I mean, he's like a legit good actor.

:

01:21:19,547 --> 01:21:22,357

I mean, he's one of my everman, so

I've covered him a lot plus he's just

:

01:21:22,357 --> 01:21:26,377

like a great person or what was rest

in peace, Patrick, but I mean, one of

:

01:21:26,377 --> 01:21:29,737

the things that I commented on about

this movie is that I didn't think the

:

01:21:29,737 --> 01:21:31,657

characters were cardboard cutouts.

:

01:21:32,017 --> 01:21:36,397

They, there was at least like

each person had a personality.

:

01:21:37,027 --> 01:21:39,517

So I'm like, what were the Kevin Sorbo?

:

01:21:39,547 --> 01:21:40,027

I don't know.

:

01:21:40,147 --> 01:21:41,077

It's wild to me.

:

01:21:41,467 --> 01:21:42,727

I'll, I'll let it go now.

:

01:21:43,297 --> 01:21:47,377

Scott: I do think I, I, I mean I, I'm

absolutely with you because like you

:

01:21:47,377 --> 01:21:52,087

say, he's, he's a Patrick Swayze a

million times better than Kevin Sogo.

:

01:21:52,327 --> 01:21:58,617

But I do think, it is one of those movies

that has, despite that bizarre possible

:

01:21:58,887 --> 01:22:00,747

ing choice, has been cast very well.

:

01:22:00,867 --> 01:22:04,137

And I think the reason that the

characters aren't cardboard, because

:

01:22:04,142 --> 01:22:05,967

I think based on the script they could

:

01:22:06,112 --> 01:22:06,402

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:22:06,867 --> 01:22:07,977

Scott: is due to the

:

01:22:07,977 --> 01:22:08,517

acting.

:

01:22:08,607 --> 01:22:12,087

And they've just they've got these kinda

great character actors like Charlie

:

01:22:12,327 --> 01:22:18,127

Dutton, Steven Toski you know, meat Wolf,

all these people who have these like

:

01:22:18,637 --> 01:22:22,837

personalities that, that have really

brought that to the fore the characters.

:

01:22:22,837 --> 01:22:24,787

And the same with Patrick Swayze.

:

01:22:25,207 --> 01:22:29,467

Jack Cruz could be a very

standard boilerplate action

:

01:22:29,467 --> 01:22:35,166

hero, but he, you know, he, he brings

it a bit of a bit of emotion to it and.

:

01:22:35,587 --> 01:22:38,916

I think that like Patrick s Sweezy

is one of those action stars as

:

01:22:38,916 --> 01:22:41,887

well who's convincing as a dad.

:

01:22:42,157 --> 01:22:46,207

Not all action stars are, you

know, like a lot of them, you know,

:

01:22:46,207 --> 01:22:49,877

particularly the kind of the kinda

Clints and the, you know, your, your

:

01:22:49,877 --> 01:22:53,657

Dolf res and, and your Stevens of

gals and all these kind of people.

:

01:22:53,662 --> 01:22:55,637

John Club, van Dams, we

often play kinda lone wolf

:

01:22:55,637 --> 01:22:57,166

characters and they make more

:

01:22:57,166 --> 01:22:59,477

sense as like lone wolf characters.

:

01:22:59,687 --> 01:23:01,967

Whereas you put them in a family

context, you're like, Hmm, that

:

01:23:01,972 --> 01:23:02,537

feels weird.

:

01:23:02,807 --> 01:23:04,307

But Patrick, much like

:

01:23:04,312 --> 01:23:08,152

Kurt is one of the few action stars

that makes sense as like a kind of oh

:

01:23:08,152 --> 01:23:10,282

yeah, they do have like big dad energy.

:

01:23:10,282 --> 01:23:10,912

That's, yeah.

:

01:23:10,912 --> 01:23:11,122

Yeah.

:

01:23:11,122 --> 01:23:11,512

That's.

:

01:23:13,777 --> 01:23:15,397

Katie: Dad, I love that they do.

:

01:23:15,397 --> 01:23:15,637

Yeah.

:

01:23:15,847 --> 01:23:20,287

Because there are every men

like you, like they're just like

:

01:23:20,287 --> 01:23:22,957

a regular person, but better.

:

01:23:23,467 --> 01:23:27,632

Two other things, gun smuggling

investigations apparently are not

:

01:23:27,632 --> 01:23:30,182

actually in the jurisdiction of the FBI.

:

01:23:31,552 --> 01:23:36,962

So that is one thing I'm not sure why

they, why that was a part of the movie,

:

01:23:37,472 --> 01:23:39,541

kind of the, the agency fighting.

:

01:23:39,547 --> 01:23:42,872

I mean, maybe that adds a little

bit of a layer, but just I guess

:

01:23:43,002 --> 01:23:44,291

the FBI wouldn't have been there.

:

01:23:44,291 --> 01:23:45,132

Just the A TF

:

01:23:46,482 --> 01:23:49,182

Scott: Yeah, I guess we don't

get the, I don't, I guess we

:

01:23:49,187 --> 01:23:50,532

don't get the banter between,

:

01:23:50,922 --> 01:23:52,937

uh, Charles s Dutton and Steven Bilski.

:

01:23:53,382 --> 01:23:56,291

I did feel like that

was like a very nineties

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01:23:56,291 --> 01:24:00,492

element of the film in

the sense of action.

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01:24:00,492 --> 01:24:03,702

Films tend to be socially

more conservative than, you

:

01:24:03,702 --> 01:24:06,612

know, like they just, I tend

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01:24:06,617 --> 01:24:07,122

to be that.

:

01:24:07,232 --> 01:24:10,952

and Steven Ky kind of talks

in this kind of therapy

:

01:24:10,952 --> 01:24:12,752

talk and, um.

:

01:24:13,727 --> 01:24:19,097

The Charles s Dutton and the movie

has a very eye rolly re reaction

:

01:24:19,097 --> 01:24:24,037

to this but Steven Ky manages

to get Charles s Dutton's respect

:

01:24:24,067 --> 01:24:25,447

'cause he just kills a man.

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01:24:25,567 --> 01:24:27,607

Not because he's a good investigator.

:

01:24:27,607 --> 01:24:31,267

He is done something, you know, well

at his job, just 'cause he killed

:

01:24:31,267 --> 01:24:32,937

the guy and he is now you're a real

:

01:24:32,937 --> 01:24:33,387

man.

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01:24:33,447 --> 01:24:34,107

It's like,

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01:24:34,467 --> 01:24:34,827

Katie: you.

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01:24:34,827 --> 01:24:35,367

Yeah.

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01:24:35,782 --> 01:24:38,337

Scott: and it's like, it's like

the politics of this movie.

:

01:24:38,457 --> 01:24:38,817

Hmm.

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01:24:38,877 --> 01:24:39,777

Bit dodgy, but

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01:24:39,777 --> 01:24:40,317

Okay.

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01:24:41,097 --> 01:24:41,577

Katie: good point.

:

01:24:41,607 --> 01:24:44,937

Yeah, and you're right about, yeah,

that's very actiony, very nineties z.

:

01:24:44,937 --> 01:24:45,447

Very, yeah.

:

01:24:45,452 --> 01:24:45,957

Yeah, yeah.

:

01:24:46,012 --> 01:24:47,007

All of the things.

:

01:24:47,527 --> 01:24:54,997

The other thing, so Patrick Swayze, they

give him back his license after this.

:

01:24:55,597 --> 01:24:56,317

Just, I don't know.

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01:24:56,377 --> 01:24:56,617

Yeah.

:

01:24:56,617 --> 01:25:00,637

That whole, none of that was believable,

but I'm pretty sure that people

:

01:25:00,637 --> 01:25:07,867

convicted of vehicular manslaughter

are not actually eligible to ever get

:

01:25:07,872 --> 01:25:09,847

a commercial driver's license again.

:

01:25:10,177 --> 01:25:13,477

So I don't think that that would've

happened in real life for Cruz.

:

01:25:14,107 --> 01:25:15,997

But you know, it's a movie.

:

01:25:16,302 --> 01:25:20,502

Scott: Yeah, I think that's just what

I, one of those things that is not

:

01:25:20,502 --> 01:25:24,252

believable at all, but, you know,

we have to get there for our happy

:

01:25:24,252 --> 01:25:24,642

ending.

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01:25:24,642 --> 01:25:27,872

You know, the house is saved,

he's got his license back.

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01:25:27,962 --> 01:25:28,802

Yay.

:

01:25:28,892 --> 01:25:30,392

Let's go to the basketball game.

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01:25:30,392 --> 01:25:30,747

You know, it's just

:

01:25:30,797 --> 01:25:32,627

Katie: but wait, yeah.

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01:25:32,837 --> 01:25:33,227

Yeah.

:

01:25:34,307 --> 01:25:34,817

Yep.

:

01:25:35,217 --> 01:25:38,217

I actually was, thoroughly

engaged watching.

:

01:25:39,237 --> 01:25:42,267

This movie with our

Every man Patrick Swayze.

:

01:25:42,627 --> 01:25:46,737

It was adrenaline filled

Highway Road action.

:

01:25:46,767 --> 01:25:49,107

I don't know how to

describe the genre exactly.

:

01:25:49,557 --> 01:25:50,277

Good flick.

:

01:25:50,937 --> 01:25:54,627

But it is time now to return

to present day reality.

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01:25:55,017 --> 01:26:00,147

Scott, thank you so much for joining

me to talk about this wild ride,

:

01:26:00,507 --> 01:26:05,037

pun intended, of a movie and:

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01:26:05,666 --> 01:26:09,177

Do you have any closing

thoughts about Black dog?

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01:26:10,962 --> 01:26:15,192

Scott: I guess my closing thought is

obviously it's not a super well seen

:

01:26:15,197 --> 01:26:21,402

movie and it's maybe not the, you

know, on a script level, on a plot

:

01:26:21,402 --> 01:26:25,507

making sense level not necessarily

the best movie that you'll see.

:

01:26:26,162 --> 01:26:32,132

But if you're an action fan, there

is like an action scene every five to

:

01:26:32,132 --> 01:26:33,032

10 minutes.

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01:26:33,062 --> 01:26:33,482

Katie: Mm-Hmm

:

01:26:34,052 --> 01:26:37,232

Scott: And like, and all

the action scenes are good.

:

01:26:37,562 --> 01:26:40,562

All the car chases are

good, the fights are fun.

:

01:26:40,712 --> 01:26:43,802

Everything action related

to this film is good.

:

01:26:43,802 --> 01:26:46,437

So if you, you just want something

that you can switch your brain off

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01:26:46,437 --> 01:26:47,877

to on a Friday night or whatever.

:

01:26:48,147 --> 01:26:51,207

It's a perfectly acceptable

movie and it's a fun ride.

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01:26:52,407 --> 01:26:53,547

Katie: I concur now.

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01:26:53,547 --> 01:26:55,622

Please tell us where we can find you.

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01:26:56,900 --> 01:27:00,800

Scott: So you can find all nineties

action all the time, kind of

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01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,840

wherever you can find podcasts.

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01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,210

It's on Spotify, it's on Apple Podcasts.

:

01:27:05,305 --> 01:27:07,255

It's on a few other podcast providers.

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01:27:08,035 --> 01:27:10,555

If you want to hit us up

on social media, you can.

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01:27:10,555 --> 01:27:13,105

We've got a Facebook page, all

nineties action all the time.

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01:27:13,325 --> 01:27:18,555

We've got Twitter, X, you know,

whatever you want, call that which is at

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01:27:18,615 --> 01:27:20,825

nineties action as our handle for that.

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01:27:21,155 --> 01:27:25,755

As I mentioned new Horror Express is

winding down, but you can still hear all

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the episodes wherever you get podcasts.

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Again, apple Podcasts,

Spotify, all that kinda stuff.

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And yes, and also we've got a website,

new horror express.com and I should have

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mentioned about All Night News Action

all the time that of course you can

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listen to it at the last of the

Action Heroes Podcast Network.

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Katie: You can Like Scott's

show about nineties action.

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I also co-host one more round the Rocky

Series podcast, and it's on the last

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of the Action Heroes Podcast Network.

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And that's how I know Scott and

I do wanna thank you all for

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listening or watching Retro made.

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If you do have thoughts, feedback,

et cetera, please offer a review.

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Alternatively, you can also email me at

Retro Made podcast@gmail.com, Facebook

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page, YouTube comment, all the thanks.

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Until next time, be kind.

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