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Episode 2

Tango & Cash | S1E2

In this episode of Retromade, we travel back to 1989 for another Kurt Russell cult-classic; a super fun buddy cop team-up with the one and only Mr. Sylvester Stallone!

I'm joined by a fellow Last of the Action Heroes Podcast Network host, Sean Malloy, from the "I Must Break" This Podcast!

Sean was raised on a healthy diet of action cinema from the glory period of the 80's and 90's. Check out Sean's show: www.imustbreakthispodcast.wordpress.com

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Transcript
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Katie:

hello Hello I'm Katie and welcome to Retro Made Your Pop Culture

Katie:

Rewind Let's continue the exploration of the best of the eighties and

Katie:

nineties, and in case you missed the premiere episode, be sure to go back

Katie:

and check out my discussion with Ryan about big trouble in Little China.

Katie:

I'm continuing coverage of one of our , ultimate everyman Kurt Russell,

Katie:

with yet another of his COL classics.

Katie:

time we'll travel back to December, 1989 for his buddy cop

Katie:

team up with the one and only Mr.

Katie:

Sylvester Stallone.

Katie:

you worry, I'll you Swayze fans.

Katie:

He's on deck for next episode.

Katie:

And tonight I am delighted to be joined by Sean Malloy, the man behind

Katie:

a podcast very near and dear to my heart, the I Must Break This podcast.

Katie:

Clever, right.

Katie:

Sean and I are both in the last of the Action Heroes Podcast Network, , Sean

Katie:

for his wonderful DOF Lundgren coverage, and me as the co-host of a Rocky

Katie:

series podcast called One More Round.

Katie:

Sean, thank you so much for joining me on one of my first episodes of Retro Made.

Sean Malloy:

Thank you for the invite And man when you when you I guess

Sean Malloy:

what's the word I'm looking for broached the idea of this particular show and

Sean Malloy:

you gave me the list of of films it was without a doubt Oh tango and Cash

Sean Malloy:

Most definitely so thank you for this opportunity This will this will be fun

Katie:

Glad to hear it.

Katie:

, so I think we'll start by opening the little time capsule from December, 1989.

Katie:

According to Nielsen ratings, the popular TV shows in 1989, or specifically

Katie:

December, were The Cosby Show.

Katie:

Roseanne Cheers.

Katie:

A Different World, the Golden Girls, one of my favorites, the Wonder

Katie:

Years Empty Nest, who's the boss, and a little known show called

Katie:

The Simpsons premiered in 1989.

Katie:

Can you believe that The Simpsons premiered in 1989 and isn't it still on?

Sean Malloy:

It's still on but you know what's so funny about it is I have yet

Sean Malloy:

to meet anyone who is still actively watching it it's amazing to me that it's

Sean Malloy:

still it's still going but it's that show that I think even the most loyal

Sean Malloy:

followers seem to have dropped off at about season 19 it's still going man

Katie:

that's a pretty good, run.

Katie:

I'm a big fan of the Golden Girls, picture it America late 1980s on Thursday evening,

Katie:

shows are can't miss in your household

Katie:

1989,

Sean Malloy:

man I can tell you I distinctly remember when Golden Girls

Sean Malloy:

was on I did not watch that one My my grandparents did but I do remember it was

Sean Malloy:

empty Nest was also on alongside it right Empty Nest And I'm trying to remember what

Sean Malloy:

I watched in 1989 I mean when symptoms came on that was a game changer And I

Sean Malloy:

did watch experience or excuse me my TV viewing experiences are from the nineties

Sean Malloy:

to be perfectly honest Cause I'm trying to think In 1989 I was seven So I don't

Sean Malloy:

have a heck of a lot of TV memories which is weird But 1990 that year is burned

Sean Malloy:

in my brain because there was Simpsons obviously also the short-lived television

Sean Malloy:

show the Flash aired on cbs loved The Flash Oh that was Thursday nights and

Sean Malloy:

also yeah wonder Years I was a big fan of Wonder Years as well So 1990 was a big

Katie:

The eighties are a little tricky cuz it's more, for me it's

Katie:

memories of watching whatever my parents were watching.

Katie:

And my grandparents too.

Katie:

I do remember watching Golden Girls with my grandparents a lot,

Katie:

but I, you know, I can remember.

Katie:

Who's the boss?

Katie:

Empty Nest.

Katie:

Golden Girls, vaguely

Katie:

And the Wonder Years.

Katie:

They were more known to me along with Cheers, later, maybe more

Katie:

when they were in syndication.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah And And when I say the nineties it's interesting because yeah

Sean Malloy:

I mean I mentioned the shows from the nineties but I wanna say it was I mean

Sean Malloy:

I know we're going a little bit past the 1989 but around that same time I remember

Sean Malloy:

Monday nights evening Shade with Bert

Katie:

Well, heard of it.

Katie:

Not seen it, I don't think,

Sean Malloy:

Uh coach with Craig t Nelson

Sean Malloy:

the The other one which it's funny cuz they played it on Netflix a couple years

Sean Malloy:

ago and I did watch an episode and it's kind of amazing to me that it lasted as

Sean Malloy:

many seasons as it did But Major Dad That was another one That was a big one I don't

Katie:

That's but I, can picture it,

Sean Malloy:

Anyway going down the rabbit

Katie:

The lineup, in 1989 for the Saturday morning cartoons were a pup

Katie:

named Scooby-Doo, gummy Bears, Winnie the Poo Bugs Bunny and Tweedy Show.

Katie:

Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters, beetlejuice Smurfs, Muppet Babies,

Katie:

which was one of my favorites.

Katie:

PeeWee's Playhouse, California Raisins, Garfield and Friends

Katie:

and Alvin and the Chipmunks.

Katie:

Do any of those sound familiar to you?

Sean Malloy:

Wow Yeah No those take me back Yeah I mean Saturday

Sean Malloy:

morning cartoons Now that's actually what I remember much more

Katie:

was a whole thing,

Sean Malloy:

a thing and it's so sad that we don't have that anymore yeah no that

Sean Malloy:

was was that was primetime for kids And I do of course I remember PeeWee's Playhouse

Sean Malloy:

I remember that one oddly enough if you want to go further down the timeline I

Sean Malloy:

distinctly remember where I was when I found out that his show was being canceled

Sean Malloy:

and what Paul Rubins did that caused that And I remember being about nine 10

Sean Malloy:

years old and being like what did he do

Katie:

I, too recall it being a major scandal, which is kind of hilarious.

Katie:

That wouldn't be a scandal at all.

Katie:

Now, um, You know, where we are

Katie:

We do have different perspectives on things, so it's Saturday morning

Katie:

in the mid to late eighties.

Katie:

In your household, what were you most looking forward to watching

Katie:

and bowl of cereal are you eating while you're watching it?

Sean Malloy:

Excellent excellent question man You're hitting the hard ones I'm

Sean Malloy:

trying to think You didn't mention it and I'd have to go back but I remember

Sean Malloy:

the real Ghostbusters was a classic Beetlejuice was also one of my favorites

Sean Malloy:

although Beetlejuice was one of those movies In fact it's one of the ones that

Sean Malloy:

my my kids love as well You know it's one of those ones that just never gets old

Sean Malloy:

But what was always so frustrating is I remember like Beetlejuice wasn't friends

Sean Malloy:

with Lydia you know what I mean Like why is he why is he ping around with Lydia

Sean Malloy:

going on adventures that You know what I mean so that was one of my favorites

Sean Malloy:

there was a version of Superman by Ruby Spears who was animator back in day he had

Sean Malloy:

a version of Superman that aired but the problem is those episodes were so early

Sean Malloy:

in the morning that I was never able to wake up on time to catch those ones So I

Sean Malloy:

didn't see those regarding cereal that's an easy one It was either Cocoa Puffs

Sean Malloy:

or um cocoa Pebbles The the Flintstone version Because what was great about

Sean Malloy:

those is you'd finish the bowl and then you'd have just a bowl of Chocolate milk.

Sean Malloy:

to drink

Katie:

of the Flintstones, while not, so yes, there are tons of

Katie:

cartoons that I didn't mention.

Katie:

I was only showcasing the ones that just so happened to be on the lineup 1989.

Katie:

The

Katie:

we're going to discuss, but there's so many.

Katie:

I know cocoa Pebbles reminds me of the Flintstones, which while not

Katie:

an eighties cartoon, I do remember watching that a lot as a kid.

Katie:

I loved the Flintstones and

Katie:

Babies

Katie:

Transitioning more so maybe for older kids, but there was midday

Katie:

programming back in the day as well.

Katie:

I don't remember watching, but in 1989 the lineup included Alf,

Katie:

the animated series raggedy Ann and Andy also, I don't remember.

Katie:

Kissy fur seems like vaguely.

Katie:

I can picture it.

Katie:

any of those sound familiar to you?

Sean Malloy:

No In fact it's always it's always fun to kind of go down a rabbit

Sean Malloy:

hole and go on Wikipedia just read about some of these television shows The

Sean Malloy:

especially for children's programming in a lot of ways was kind of this lawless

Sean Malloy:

frontier in so many ways because you had movie properties that were not kids

Sean Malloy:

movies suddenly getting cartoons I mean you mentioned Beetlejuice but that's

Sean Malloy:

really not a kids movie if you really think about it we had Rambo we had

Sean Malloy:

Rubble Cop and these are all cartoon series that the source material is not

Sean Malloy:

for kids but we were sold it as uh as Saturday mornings there I mean it's kind

Sean Malloy:

of wild You mention a lot of these and I remember seeing the ads for them but I

Sean Malloy:

never watched them obviously but yeah it's just kind of wild there There's some

Sean Malloy:

others that kind of aired around that time called Brave Star Which is about a

Sean Malloy:

cowboy on another dimension or something and it's just kind of wild Like a lot

Sean Malloy:

of these cartoons you wouldn't get them nowadays No way Would you get any of these

Katie:

It's true.

Katie:

You know what's interesting is over the course of researching a little

Katie:

bit of this and I didn't even realize that when I was a kid and cartoons

Katie:

and Saturday morning programming, was all because of deregulation.

Katie:

They were all just commercials to sell us toys.

Katie:

in the seventies it was more regulated.

Katie:

But here comes the 1980s

Katie:

It's just basically a big free for all.

Katie:

And all of the mascots for the cereals were all cartoons.

Katie:

So there was no line between.

Katie:

A commercial and a show for us kids.

Katie:

But I think you might recognize a little show that started around

Katie:

this time called Saved by the Bell.

Katie:

I don't think I'll ever make it on time.

Sean Malloy:

Course

Katie:

was,

Sean Malloy:

Yeah

Katie:

that sort of epitomizes like the late eighties and early nineties for me.

Sean Malloy:

It's interesting you mentioned Saved by the Bell because I

Sean Malloy:

actually did watch a documentary I highly recommend it there's a wonderful series

Sean Malloy:

that's out called the Dark Side of Comedy if you're familiar with it but each

Sean Malloy:

episode profiles a comedian And the I don't wanna say the dark life they led

Sean Malloy:

but they're rise and fall if you will And one of the episodes is on Dustin Diamond

Sean Malloy:

and his episode is absolutely fascinating because it shows how it was his career

Sean Malloy:

that essentially in a lot of ways maybe it didn't kill him but it's that's what

Sean Malloy:

caused his downfall But they do talk about saved by the Bell And one of the

Sean Malloy:

big reasons why that show is so colorful if you think about it every time those

Sean Malloy:

characters are in the max it is just total neon and all these colors The big reason

Sean Malloy:

is is because it was a Saturday morning show that was also selling cereal and

Sean Malloy:

everything And so while it was a bit of a gamble putting a live action TV show on

Sean Malloy:

the air on a Saturday morning they made it so colorful so that it could kind of

Sean Malloy:

exist in the same world with all of the

Katie:

It

Katie:

interesting.

Katie:

I think I've seen something similar about Dustin Diamond.

Katie:

Saved by the bell

Katie:

I'm making an assumption maybe incorrectly, but the W W F at the

Katie:

Seems to also embody the 1980s.

Katie:

Were you a fan of wrestling

Sean Malloy:

Oh are you kidding Ultimate Warrior that was that and

Sean Malloy:

you asked my son That's his favorite too Yeah No ultimate Warrior was

Sean Malloy:

that ww You know it's funny because I and I've said it before and I think

Sean Malloy:

most wrestling fans would agree the wwe while it is a huge entertainment

Sean Malloy:

business it's not as fun today as it was in the 1980s I mean there there's

Sean Malloy:

nothing more you can say Those guys might as well have been superheroes You

Katie:

I mean

Katie:

so I come from a family of three girls, but some of these names that

Katie:

I'm gonna reference from this time.

Katie:

I remember watching it with my grandpa, and they called it like Raslan.

Katie:

And it was the ww f at the time.

Katie:

and I sort of remember people thinking that it was real.

Sean Malloy:

Mm-hmm

Katie:

I guess the curtain hadn't been pulled back that

Katie:

it's, scripted more or less.

Katie:

So apparently there was a maybe it still exists, but Pro Wrestling

Katie:

Illustrated, I don't know if that still exists, but in 1989 it did.

Katie:

And they listed a few things.

Katie:

One is the Wrestler of the Year for 1989, Rick Flair,

Katie:

Most popular, Hulk Hogan.

Katie:

Most hated Randy Savage.

Katie:

those two teaming up at some point.

Katie:

Hulk and Randy were they like on a tag team together at some

Sean Malloy:

It it depends on the year to be honest I think even nowadays if

Sean Malloy:

you look at WWE now in 2023 the heels if you were if you are were also the

Sean Malloy:

heroes a couple years ago I mean they all go back and forth It's basically a a

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

that makes

Katie:

Feud of the year for 89 was Rick Flair versus Terry Funk

Katie:

and most improved Lex Luger.

Katie:

These names all sound very familiar to me, so it's a nice little blast from the past.

Sean Malloy:

Well and Rick Blair's daughter is is

Sean Malloy:

wrestling now and is quite good

Sean Malloy:

No no Charlotte Flair And she's quite good I took my son to a

Sean Malloy:

an event a couple months back actually And she was one of the

Sean Malloy:

headliners It was pretty cool

Katie:

that's a, that's fun wrestling who to thunk it.

Katie:

A few other things.

Katie:

So the Top 10 Billboards from this particular week that the

Katie:

movie was released, just before Christmas in December of 89.

Katie:

You know, I gotta say a lot of these I don't really remember.

Katie:

The number one song was Another Day in Paradise by Phil Collins.

Sean Malloy:

Okay

Katie:

Know much.

Katie:

Linda Ronstadt is number two, three.

Katie:

We didn't start the fire by Billy Joel, which I do remember.

Katie:

And then four is Rhythm Nation by Janet Jackson.

Katie:

good

Katie:

one.

Katie:

Five is with every Beat of My Heart by Taylor Dane.

Katie:

Back to Life, soul to Soul.

Katie:

Seven.

Katie:

Pump Up the Jam by Techtronic featuring Fell.

Katie:

Do you remember this like Techtronic era in the late eighties?

Katie:

Sean Malloy:

Yeah De definitely I mean I don't know if what was what

Sean Malloy:

was the group the c and c Music

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

even

Sean Malloy:

you know

Katie:

don't know if it would push

Katie:

Or was that salt and pepper?

Katie:

Anyway, there was some good ones in the late eighties, early nineties.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah Phil Collins though is interesting that's I mean it doesn't

Sean Malloy:

surprise me but I'm I am at the same time I would not have picked a Phil

Sean Malloy:

Collins song as being number one in

Katie:

Well, it's week over week, so I'm sure the week before, the

Katie:

week after these shift a lot.

Katie:

This is literally a snapshot in time from the actual week that Tango and Cash was

Sean Malloy:

Oh

Sean Malloy:

interesting

Katie:

The number eight billboard song at that time was

Katie:

just like Jesse James by Cher.

Katie:

Good one.

Katie:

The new kids on the block, this one's for the children

Katie:

forgot about new kids somehow.

Katie:

Were you into new kids at all

Katie:

Not, no

Sean Malloy:

No no

Katie:

be honest, I wasn't, it was such a phenomenon and I was I don't quite,

Katie:

I don't know if I didn't quite get it.

Katie:

Like I, I wasn't in love with

Katie:

lot of

Sean Malloy:

Well it's so wild that we look upon that now as being a joke

Sean Malloy:

when flash forward 10 maybe maybe eight years later Um We had Backstreet Boys

Sean Malloy:

in nsync who were doing the exact same thing you know what I mean but but

Sean Malloy:

what's so funny is by the time NSYNC and Backstreet Boys and all those boy bands

Sean Malloy:

came out new Kids on the block were kind of like yesterday's news It was who are

Sean Malloy:

these guys You know And they were they were a joke But it's like they you know

Sean Malloy:

if it wasn't for the new kids then we wouldn't even have these other teams these

Katie:

true.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I mean, and there were a few others earlier, but new

Katie:

kids they were everywhere.

Katie:

I mean, the dolls, the bedding.

Katie:

And actually did see them in concert as an adult.

Katie:

A friend of mine in California wanted to see them when we were in our

Katie:

twenties, so I saw them in concert.

Katie:

And then Bonjovi has had the number 10 song that week with Liven and Sin.

Katie:

So yeah.

Katie:

Dare I ask you to mention a few groups or songs that you can recall?

Katie:

That you played all the time or taped from the radio?

Sean Malloy:

Oh man From 1989

Sean Malloy:

No sadly I don't remember I mean I remember Mc hammer but the but no MC

Sean Malloy:

hammer was 90 wasn't it Yeah that was yeah So you got me at this Yeah you got me at

Sean Malloy:

this spot where I just

Sean Malloy:

I couldn't Yeah Yeah I remember I do remember my parents had the record to

Sean Malloy:

the music from Rocky and I do yeah And it was like all the songs and I do remember

Sean Malloy:

asking them to play that record quite

Katie:

Your parents raised you

Katie:

If they played a rocky soundtrack for you.

Katie:

Oh.

Katie:

Okay.

Katie:

So , there's one more category here news and events that happened during that time.

Katie:

The Soviet President, Mihail Gorbachov and US President h w

Katie:

Bush, declared the Cold War over.

Katie:

I guess they always thought that Rocky did that in Rocky Four, though.

Katie:

Am I wrong about that?

Sean Malloy:

Now Yeah we we I think we were lied to by one or the other Yeah So

Katie:

Also, I didn't really, you don't hear much about Canadian mass murder, but

Katie:

the worst, apparently the worst Canadian mass murder had happened at that time.

Katie:

Mark Lapine kills 14 women at U Montreal.

Katie:

The US troops invade Panama and Oust Manuel Noriega, but they don't catch him.

Katie:

then there was an insane cold wave in the center of the us most

Katie:

notably a negative 60 Fahrenheit in the Black Hills, South Dakota.

Katie:

And for the rest of the world that's not in the United States that uses the

Katie:

proper system of measuring the temperature that is a negative 51.1 Celsius.

Katie:

That seems really cold.

Katie:

I don't remember.

Katie:

That's, shocking

Sean Malloy:

Yeah Wow That I mean I I don't know one more to say you

Sean Malloy:

but you definitely pulled up some current events that are from completely

Sean Malloy:

different ends of the aisle there so Oh

, Katie:

I just have a few last questions

, Katie:

the movie.

, Katie:

I do know that you are a big fan of Kurt Russell.

, Katie:

Please

Sean Malloy:

yeah Oh man Yeah Oh boy

Katie:

kid

Sean Malloy:

Kurt Easily since I was a kid you know what's interesting is he

Sean Malloy:

Kurt Russell I think I was saying this to you earlier Kurt Russell is one of those

Sean Malloy:

guys who has this swagger about him And not many actors have this I would say

Sean Malloy:

but he has always had this ability where he is just cool know what I mean Where

Sean Malloy:

he is cool And you want to be him you want to hang out with him I remember I

Sean Malloy:

mean I don't know if you're a Seinfeld fan or not but there was the there was

Sean Malloy:

the hilarious episode of Seinfeld where Elaine was dating Tony who was what was

Sean Malloy:

that actor's name who played Tony I'm drawing a blank and anyway Tony was super

Sean Malloy:

cool and George was just infatuated by him He was just thought he was so cool

Sean Malloy:

And how I feel about Kurt Russell Keanu Reeves is another one There's You know

Sean Malloy:

when he walks in the room and when he screen you just he he's cool He just

Sean Malloy:

this magnetism about him Kurt Russell I will say compared to Keanu Reeves though

Sean Malloy:

Kurt Russell is a better actor Okay Um I mean the the guys been acting since

Sean Malloy:

the late sixties or whatever in Disney movies then when he transitioned into

Sean Malloy:

the seventies adult mo movies like you know there were adult films That doesn't

Sean Malloy:

sound right You know what I'm movies

Katie:

but just like

Katie:

audience.

Sean Malloy:

Once he he did escape from New York and I think that was a game

Sean Malloy:

changer for him And like I said there's I mean first of all the hair Can we just

Sean Malloy:

say his hair Okay I think any dude in the world right now who is listening right

Sean Malloy:

now who claims that they did not want Kurt Russell's hair in the eighties is

Sean Malloy:

lying That is completely It just false Okay Because his hair was amazing in

Sean Malloy:

the eighties you know it was would you call it was like a mullet but it just

Katie:

I was gonna ask you if you would've classified it as a mullet.

Katie:

It's technically, I think is, but I hate mullets,

Katie:

I do.

Katie:

Like

Sean Malloy:

No

Katie:

me some Kurt Russell

Sean Malloy:

he pulls it off Yeah And you know what's so great about Kurt Russell

Sean Malloy:

is I mean he's one of the few actors to be perfectly honest who has been able

Sean Malloy:

to transcend and do multiple genres And I honestly think anybody who wants to

Sean Malloy:

be able to see what Kurt Russell could do I think the three movies you need to

Sean Malloy:

look at are big trouble in Little China Overboard and the one I'm talking about

Sean Malloy:

today tango and Cash because he could be an action hero His comedic chops are

Sean Malloy:

stellar They're impeccable He knows how to be funny and he's a romantic lead Not many

Sean Malloy:

actors Can juggle those different genres in those arenas as well as he does But

Sean Malloy:

the guy is just a badass I mean here I am I'm I'm I feel like I'm swooning and I'm

Sean Malloy:

gushing over the guy but I mean he really is just so cool And what's also amazing

Sean Malloy:

about him I honestly feel the older he gets not many actors have this ability

Sean Malloy:

either but I honestly feel the older Kurt Russell gets the better he gets He still

Sean Malloy:

just has that swagger he is awesome In the Hateful eight I remember when

Sean Malloy:

Denver Broncos played Seattle Seahawks the the pregame kind of thing where he's

Sean Malloy:

hyping them up or whatever

Sean Malloy:

for the Super Bowl Yeah And I mean and his voice we haven't said that either

Sean Malloy:

His hair is great but his voice is just amazing He's always had just this electric

Sean Malloy:

Magnetism about him and I don't think there's any other actor out there who

Sean Malloy:

when he gets angry and he yells still just looks so cool I can't say enough

Sean Malloy:

about Kurt Russell but I think that's half the reason why I love this movie

Katie:

He does exude.

Katie:

Cool.

Katie:

got those

Sean Malloy:

Oh

Katie:

eyes too.

Katie:

He is got really beautiful blue really like electric, blue, almost

Katie:

yeah.

Katie:

So yeah, he's, he does have the total package.

Katie:

This Kurt Russell.

Sean Malloy:

And when he goes when he leaves which I mean I hate I mean it's not

Sean Malloy:

gonna be anytime soon but he also comes from a class of actor that we just don't

Sean Malloy:

get anymore because he is old now let's be honest And that's why we don't see him

Sean Malloy:

as much anymore because I think he likes hanging out on the golf course And if

Sean Malloy:

there's a script that comes his way that he feels is worth his time then he will

Sean Malloy:

He will you know saddle up and do it But for the most part I think he's content

Sean Malloy:

being retired But what's cool is if you see on talk shows he's he's that rare

Sean Malloy:

breed of actor who speaks his mind and says whatever is on his mind even if it's

Sean Malloy:

not maybe the most politically correct if you will You know what I mean And that's

Sean Malloy:

I don't know sometimes I feel like in this day and age it's kind of interesting

Sean Malloy:

to see an actor who has the balls to to to do those things to say those things

Sean Malloy:

I should probably say he has not said anything disparaging or anything like that

Sean Malloy:

by any means but You don't get actors nowadays that carry that kind of moxie

Katie:

that's

Sean Malloy:

I'm trying to say

Katie:

a good point.

Katie:

I don't know if you caught it or not, but listeners, I did do a bit in my

Katie:

season one trailer for the retro made show about all the names that I had

Katie:

come up with for, these stars that I am using for season one, Kurt and Patrick

Katie:

about how they resemble each other.

Katie:

Think that Kurt Russell and Patrick Swayze look alike?

Sean Malloy:

Well you know what's interesting I'm sure you were gonna

Sean Malloy:

be getting to it but originally it was gonna be Patrick Swayze in

Sean Malloy:

the role of Ray Tango No no Excuse me Cash Not Ray Tango Cash Sorry

Sean Malloy:

Yeah Yeah it was gonna be Patrick Swayze but he opted to do Roadhouse instead So

Sean Malloy:

they went to Kurt Russell you know what's interesting is the similarities in terms

Sean Malloy:

appearance is I mean it's definitely there but on like well I don't know if

Sean Malloy:

I could see Patrick Swayze in many of the roles that Kurt Russell did Same

Sean Malloy:

thing with Kurt Russell I don't know if I could see him in many of the roles

Sean Malloy:

that Patrick Swayze did You know what I mean like point break Swayze owned that

Sean Malloy:

I don't think I could see Kurt in that

Katie:

They have a very different presence and yeah, like their types of roles,

Katie:

they do seem to be a little different.

Katie:

They do both kind of bring in every man quality and they're both very attractive.

Katie:

I just think that they physically have a strong resemblance to each other.

Sean Malloy:

And and I mean kind of like what I said about Kurt Russell

Sean Malloy:

earlier Patrick Swayze has also been able to straddle that line where he's

Sean Malloy:

done a couple action movies He's been a romantic lead I don't think Patrick

Sean Malloy:

Swayze did a heck of a lot of comedies Did

Katie:

No, he did have a few, and unfortunately he left us far too soon.

Katie:

He has said that he was always very careful about the roles that he

Katie:

took because he didn't want to get pigeonholed into any specific genre.

Katie:

But he has done a few comedies.

Katie:

Fatherhood

Sean Malloy:

Oh yeah But fatherhood came I mean that came what's interesting is

Sean Malloy:

the nineties was a clear transitional period for all of these action guys but

Sean Malloy:

I remember fatherhood came that one came and went I mean it wasn't even in theaters

Sean Malloy:

long enough for Even critics to see it It was kind of sad He you know Patrick

Sean Malloy:

Swayze unfortunately passed away but he he god goodness he had a double whammy

Sean Malloy:

of films cuz he would do Roadhouse Then he did Ghost and then he kind of struggled

Sean Malloy:

with a lot of films and then I just

Sean Malloy:

kind of finding his

Katie:

He talks

Sean Malloy:

yeah

Sean Malloy:

but

Katie:

or not.

Katie:

It's great.

Katie:

I own it anyway.

Katie:

At any rate, do you

Katie:

Patrick Swayze movie

Katie:

or

Sean Malloy:

Um well point break is the easy one That one comes to right right

Sean Malloy:

away because that one is just that one is just amazing for so many reasons I

Sean Malloy:

really liked E In the Outsiders he did an adaptation of The Outsiders the se

Sean Malloy:

Hinton book Um I'm a fan of that book obviously he had a wonderful role in

Sean Malloy:

that film it's kind of become a little forgotten film but he had a bit role in

Sean Malloy:

a film with Rob Lowe called Youngblood

Katie:

uh,

Sean Malloy:

uh

Katie:

movies that we'll be getting to in this season of Retro Made, but

Katie:

of people haven't seen that.

Katie:

It's so, I recall it being so fun.

Katie:

I loved it.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah I remember seeing it as a kid and thinking it was pretty

Sean Malloy:

cool but I haven't gone back to it But I remember he was cool I mean he was

Sean Malloy:

one of those actors who when he he when he took on a side role supporting he was

Sean Malloy:

still able to to bring the funder and

Sean Malloy:

But if I had to pick which actor I always preferred over the other I think I'd go to

Sean Malloy:

Kurt Russell just because I've seen more of his movies I own more of his movies He

Sean Malloy:

was always more at my wheelhouse I mean like I said I feel like I'm man crushing

Sean Malloy:

on this dude pretty hard But I think every guy in the world I mean obviously

Sean Malloy:

if you grew up in the eighties and the nineties okay there was Arnold there was

Sean Malloy:

Stallone there was Doll there was Van Dam of course but Kurt Russell was that one

Sean Malloy:

that you know I think every dude wanted to

Katie:

Agreed.

Katie:

I don't think you're alone man crush of Kressel.

Katie:

a legit thing.

Sean Malloy:

yeah hair the hair is so

Katie:

It was good.

Katie:

And we get a lot, we get a nice taste of it in Tango and cash,

Katie:

let's get into it

Katie:

okay, so as we've discussed, Tango and Cash was released just before

Katie:

Christmas, December 22nd, 1989.

Katie:

It was rated R,

Katie:

recall it being rated R.

Katie:

We'll, get into some of the cast and what people thought of it, but it was a little

Katie:

bit troubled in the directing department.

Katie:

I'm going to butcher the original director's name Andre Khaki.

Katie:

He's a Russian filmmaker, which you wouldn't probably

Katie:

know him for a whole lot.

Katie:

Maybe runaway train from 1985, but that's about it.

Katie:

Anyway, he was later replaced, he was given impossible scheduling

Katie:

demands and was made the scapegoat when he fell behind.

Katie:

And also he had a much darker vision for this film than what we got apparently.

Katie:

So he was replaced with Albert Magnolia.

Katie:

But Albert Magnolia wasn't actually credited in the film credits of

Katie:

the movie, even though he ended it.

Katie:

He filmed all the chase and fight scenes.

Katie:

So according to Kaki, Stallone was the one who held the production together despite

Katie:

the fact that Stallone was also actively involved in trying to get him fired.

Katie:

He since stated that he believes that if it weren't for Stallone,

Katie:

he would've been fired sooner.

Katie:

And big shocker.

Katie:

I think anyone who is familiar with Stallone from this era.

Katie:

Won't be surprised to hear that by the end of principal photography, stone

Katie:

was reportedly working in an unofficial capacity as producer, director, writer,

Katie:

as well as starring in the film.

Katie:

What do you think about that?

Katie:

Is that surprising at all?

Sean Malloy:

No So here's the problem here's the big issue for why tango and

Sean Malloy:

cash kind of became the mess behind the scenes that it was and it all falls on

Sean Malloy:

one person It's Sylvester Stallone I mean let's be honest I love Sylvester Sloan

Sean Malloy:

now to give him credit The guy has been in the movie business for almost 50

Sean Malloy:

years okay he was the embodiment He was one of the biggest stars in the world

Sean Malloy:

in the 1980s so this is a guy he knows what works I mean for him you know what

Sean Malloy:

I mean He knows how to light himself He knows how to do things so I don't wanna

Sean Malloy:

mitigate that or discredit that I mean because the he is a talent okay Having

Sean Malloy:

said all that if you look at Stallone in the 1980s in his prime at the peak of

Sean Malloy:

his powers it's gone on the record okay I'm not anything hasn't been stated

Sean Malloy:

already but he had an ego that was bigger than Mount Everest And I think everybody

Sean Malloy:

would agree and everybody has said this that when Stallone was on set he was the

Sean Malloy:

one controlling everything He was the one calling all the shots he might as well

Sean Malloy:

have been the director And so if you look at a lot of his films in his prime he

Sean Malloy:

was the director of a lot of them but the ones that he did not direct So Here's

Sean Malloy:

what's interesting If you look at look at this film tango and Cash look at

Sean Malloy:

Demolition Man and look at the Specialist All of those films are fun on their own

Sean Malloy:

on their own merits I enjoy those films But if you look at them they're all

Sean Malloy:

directed by no names They're all directed by relative nobodies And the big reason

Sean Malloy:

for that I honestly think is because they needed someone who gonna essentially be

Sean Malloy:

pushed around by Stallone and not bitch about it They're not gonna bring in a

Sean Malloy:

Spielberg or or a Walter Hill or anybody like that They're just simply not gonna

Sean Malloy:

take that And so that's basically I think what happened on this film is you have

Sean Malloy:

Stallone in his prime of his powers pretty much running the show And again the guy

Sean Malloy:

knows what works for him But on the other hand like if you look at stories on what

Sean Malloy:

he did with Cobra behind the scenes of Cobra he basically directed that one You

Sean Malloy:

know what I mean And he did that with I'd say about 98% of all the films he did

Sean Malloy:

in the nineties Interestingly It seems like his ego kind of Got a bit in check

Sean Malloy:

back in the nineties because he later worked with Renny Harlan and then later on

Sean Malloy:

down the line he worked with Walter Hill for bullet to the head But the eighties

Sean Malloy:

Stallone he was not um he didn't sound like he was fun to work with in the least

Katie:

Now I of course have to come to his rescue a little bit

Katie:

because I am Stallone is I.

Katie:

could just gush forever.

Katie:

I mean, I'm on a podcast about him.

Katie:

I love him so many reasons.

Katie:

But he even admits, so he really was literally at the top of the

Katie:

world at this time and has admitted that his ego got out of hand.

Katie:

And so this doesn't surprise me.

Katie:

I think we've all heard the stories that he takes over filming.

Katie:

However, I will say the one thing that people do say ego aside is that he

Katie:

does have a very strong work ethic.

Sean Malloy:

Mm-hmm

Katie:

There was some problems on this film

Katie:

lightly.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah And that's why I was so looking forward to chatting about this

Sean Malloy:

film because I can honestly I will just say right now about this film you can

Sean Malloy:

tell I mean you can see that this film had too many cooks in the kitchen there is

Sean Malloy:

a in my opinion at least there is a clear point in this film where it goes off the

Sean Malloy:

rails and you can tell that the script was changed and the script was altered

Sean Malloy:

So I'm really looking forward to getting that with you because I will just say

Sean Malloy:

right now I think this movie has a rock solid awesome opening 35 minutes I think

Sean Malloy:

the first 30 to 35 40 minutes or so of this film are awesome It is amazing But

Sean Malloy:

there is a clear point that I can pinpoint where it goes off the rails I mean it's

Sean Malloy:

not a great movie in the first 35 minutes it's not like it's gonna win Oscars or

Sean Malloy:

anything like that but it just becomes it It devolves and gets stupider along

Sean Malloy:

the way and I think that's one of the things that in the end kind of hurts it

Sean Malloy:

But having said that though the first 40 minutes of this film are stellar They're

Sean Malloy:

perfection I wish the final 45 minutes were on par with the opening Do you

Katie:

That's an interesting take.

Katie:

I think I see where you're coming from.

Katie:

I I think that it's problematic from the start, but it's fun.

Katie:

Listen, it's super fun and you kind of have to, it's also

Katie:

interesting when we re-watch.

Katie:

Do you watch this often or when was the last time you saw.

Sean Malloy:

I introduced it to my wife a couple years ago because I've always

Sean Malloy:

been a huge fan of cop movies I love cop movies especially buddy cop movies

Sean Malloy:

So Sylvester Stallone Kurt Russell doing a Buddy Cop movie I mean I'm going to

Sean Malloy:

be there for that I didn't catch this in theaters cuz I was I was seven years old

Sean Malloy:

However I do distinctly remember seeing ads for it in the back of comic books

Sean Malloy:

that I picked up as a kid And I later rented it a couple years later And then

Sean Malloy:

I remember buying the VHS and then buying the dvd the movie is a ton of fun But

Sean Malloy:

the thing I will say about it is while we're kind of talking about Stallone

Sean Malloy:

and how his ego kind of helped um uh derail this film in some respects I will

Sean Malloy:

say He and Kurt Russell have an amazing chemistry together Their chemistry and

Sean Malloy:

their banter back and forth I think is hilarious unfortunately we never got a

Sean Malloy:

sequel and I think a lot of that is cuz of Kurt Russell I just don't think he

Sean Malloy:

wants to do it but you know that if he said okay let's do it Stallone would be

Sean Malloy:

there

Katie:

sure.

Katie:

one of my trivia, we'll jump around a little bit, which is fine, was that

Katie:

Kurt Russell was actually offered in 2010 when Stallone was getting

Katie:

all the, action guys of yonder together for the Expendables movie.

Katie:

He actually offered the role of church

Katie:

Or maybe that was a sequel, but he offered Kurt Russell a role in the

Katie:

Expendables and he turned it down.

Katie:

He just said he didn't have any interest in joining that ensemble action Guy cast.

Sean Malloy:

But then what's so frustrating about that But

Sean Malloy:

then Kurt Russell joins the Fast and the Furious which

Katie:

seen those after, like the second one?

Sean Malloy:

Yeah So that's kind of frustrating I don't really understand

Sean Malloy:

that but I will say this might put things in perspective but did you

Sean Malloy:

know that Tango and Cash is actually the very last action film released in

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

In

Katie:

it was one of the last films at all tango and Cash.

Katie:

And then there was a Spielberg film.

Katie:

Yeah, the Last Movies of the Decade.

Sean Malloy:

And it's almost kind of I mean you look about it now and kind

Sean Malloy:

of makes sense but it's almost very emblematic of what happened to the

Sean Malloy:

genre and how things were changing and how Stallone started to kind of fall

Sean Malloy:

on hard times with the film roles that he was choosing post this one But

Sean Malloy:

know what I'm gonna say it going back to this film it's interesting that

Sean Malloy:

you said that you had some problems with the opening I love it though I

Katie:

knew

Katie:

meant by that is you can immediately see what you're in for

Katie:

you know,

Sean Malloy:

Oh

Katie:

yeah.

Katie:

There were some problems immediately, but I took it all in stride.

Katie:

I mean, I played that opening scene where pokes funded himself being,

Katie:

, Rambo esque and Rambo's a pussy.

Katie:

What did you think of that.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah Well not only that but the even before that still alone says

Sean Malloy:

let's do it And then it goes right into the film It's like and you know you you

Sean Malloy:

know that was all Stallone in the editing room you know that he was saying not only

Sean Malloy:

do I get top build but I'm going to open the film Okay Before it's Tango and Ka

Sean Malloy:

before we see Kurt Russell I'm gonna be first and I want to get the first line

Sean Malloy:

of the movie with Let's do it I um you know the the one we have to say with this

Sean Malloy:

film the score by Harold Faltermeyer Is ACEs as well I absolutely love the

Sean Malloy:

score that was composed for this film I think it's it sets the tone perfectly

Katie:

glad that you brought that up.

Katie:

I did not take note of the score, so I'm very glad that you brought

Katie:

that up cuz I, that I missed that.

Katie:

But, of, let's, like sets the stage here.

Katie:

As you mentioned, Stallone has top billing as Tango.

Katie:

Kurt Russell is cash.

Katie:

Then we get Terry Hatcher as Tango's sister, Katherine slash Kiki, Jack

Katie:

Pance as Eve Pert, James Hong as Quan.

Katie:

Now James Hong.

Katie:

Is literally the ultimate VA guy.

Katie:

He's in everything, especially from this time.

Katie:

He seems to have been around forever we just discussed his performance as David

Katie:

Lopez in Big Trump on little China.

Katie:

So he was fun to see.

Katie:

So that's the cast Then the description of the movie.

Katie:

For, I don't know anybody who hasn't seen this in a decade or two perhaps we

Katie:

have the polar opposites, Ray Tango, a swab and sophisticated police officer.

Katie:

And Gabe Cash, his overzealous long-haired partner are a mismatched LAP D crime

Katie:

fighting duo who worked tirelessly to bring down their arch nemesis,

Katie:

the ruthless drug Lord Eve Perret.

Katie:

However, when Perret manages to incriminate the team with falsified

Katie:

evidence, Ray and Gabe will soon end up in a maximum security prison

Katie:

where an almost endless par of inmates previously incarcerated by

Katie:

them are waiting for their captors.

Katie:

Impatiently.

Katie:

Now more than ever, tango and cash need to put their differences aside to

Katie:

quickly come up with a plan, not only to escape the jail's walls, but also to

Katie:

even the score with the evil kingpin who put them behind bars once and for all.

Katie:

And of course, that's easier said than done.

Katie:

movie got some awards?

Sean Malloy:

Yes I imagine probably

Katie:

Actually, yeah, they didn't win, but they were nominated for three Razzies.

Sean Malloy:

Which I always think those are unfair but I imagine one of them

Sean Malloy:

is one of them is probably worst duo

Katie:

Well,

Katie:

so the Razzi historically don't like Stallone.

Katie:

Again, I know I'm a bit biased, but, so yes.

Katie:

Worst actor for Sylvester Stallone.

Katie:

I thought this was interesting.

Katie:

Worst supporting actress for Kurt Russell he's dressed in drag.

Katie:

That's, I don't know.

Katie:

And then worst screenplay for Randy Feldman, who was the writer . So

Katie:

they didn't think that even the beginning was very good.

Katie:

But it was a box office hit.

Katie:

It definitely exceeded its budget and

Sean Malloy:

And it's interesting that you read that premise because I had

Sean Malloy:

some thoughts that I'll be getting to on where the film kind of falls apart

Sean Malloy:

But I honestly think that the film should be set a hundred percent in the prison

Sean Malloy:

and I feel like once they get out of the prison that's where falls apart But we'll

Katie:

see

Sean Malloy:

get to that

Katie:

I will say, you know, I'm like kind of backtracking a little bit.

Katie:

There were some scenes at the beginning that I liked, you know, just kind

Katie:

of showing them as polar opposites.

Katie:

So we get like Hills, they even say a play on Beverly Hills Cop, but

Katie:

Stallone's, highbrow Beverly Hills version with, a three piece suit.

Katie:

He has an office and then contrasted with Kurt Russell's Uber casual

Katie:

common man version in downtown LA with jeans and his long hair.

Katie:

And he's just at a lowly desk in the precinct bullpen.

Katie:

And their incessant, rivalry.

Katie:

I'm glad that you said that you liked their chemistry, because I

Katie:

was gonna ask you about that because

Katie:

I liked it, I thought it worked, but I can see how some viewers might see it as

Katie:

just a little bit too much, too redundant.

Katie:

The constant , ribbing and , joke, joke, joke, joke.

Katie:

Trope trope, trope, trope.

Katie:

But for a buddy cop movie, and these two I do, I felt the chemistry

Katie:

as you mentioned before too.

Katie:

So I also liked it.

Sean Malloy:

no I mean I I think you know it it does get a little tiresome little

Sean Malloy:

bit I mean there's a few aspects about the film that I have to shake my head at

Sean Malloy:

but one of the things that I just have to kind of roll my eyes at is no way would

Sean Malloy:

a police officer make the front page of a newspaper I mean the these two cops Or

Sean Malloy:

I should probably say we've seen police officers make the front page but not for

Sean Malloy:

reasons like this But I've never seen police officers take the front page and

Sean Malloy:

be treated as heroes if you will it's just kind of funny Ray Tango he's it's

Sean Malloy:

like everybody knows like this is LA's Top Cop and then Gabe Cash well he's also

Sean Malloy:

one of the top cops and it's like one of these things like if you and I were

Sean Malloy:

opening up a paper Hey did you hear what Ray Tango did today Oh well Gabe Cash also

Sean Malloy:

got this cocaine bust It's like okay I never heard that They're making newspaper

Katie:

that's.

Katie:

a good point, and to play off of that theme.

Katie:

There things that I noted.

Katie:

Now I know when we watch these movies, we do have to suspend our disbelief

Katie:

and just kind of go with some of it.

Katie:

were there any others?

Katie:

I, on a similar vein, I was like, they get 18 months murder.

Katie:

I mean, I know that it was a plea deal, but 18 months

Katie:

they were convicted of murder.

Sean Malloy:

Well not only that Yeah no you're exactly right Not only that but

Sean Malloy:

it's amazing it's not just this movie it's it's it's movies in general I guess but

Sean Malloy:

it just amazes me how quick the judicial system works movies Okay Because so if

Sean Malloy:

we were go by this film's timeline if you will Okay You could go out tomorrow on

Sean Malloy:

Friday commit a crime and then by Tuesday you would be in court on trial You know

Sean Malloy:

what I mean Like it doesn't work that fast

Sean Malloy:

but according

Katie:

know.

Katie:

Yes, it is.

Katie:

, the movie Magic

Katie:

Did this make you feel any type of way?

Katie:

I was like, okay, Hatcher, who plays Katherine, and then her stripper name

Katie:

is Kiki, or everybody calls her Kiki,

Katie:

her brother calls her Katherine.

Katie:

At any rate, Terry Hatcher's character plays Stallone's sister.

Katie:

He is the super overprotective brother, but somehow he has zero issues with her

Katie:

choice of career as an exotic dancer.

Katie:

the, like what.

Sean Malloy:

Well Not only that but I mean I can see why Stallone liked the

Sean Malloy:

character because I will say that again I I keep going back to this The first

Sean Malloy:

45 minutes of this film I think are really good Okay But then it again falls

Sean Malloy:

apart That's the last time I'm gonna say that But for example Ray Tango I think

Sean Malloy:

Stallone picked some really cool little nuances and character touches to that

Sean Malloy:

character The fact that he's I think he's nicknamed Armani with a badge and

Sean Malloy:

he's like a stockbroker and everything I mean I think that is a really cool touch

Sean Malloy:

the glasses that he wears I think he he looks pretty cool as he's rocking those

Katie:

Oh, he looked so good that opening scene.

Katie:

Yeah.

Sean Malloy:

yeah the opening

Sean Malloy:

scene

Katie:

glasses?

Sean Malloy:

those are actually okay Well I have another fact about the opening

Sean Malloy:

scene for you but what's interesting is how they lose all of that after 45

Sean Malloy:

minutes He no longer is wearing the glasses There's no more mention at all

Sean Malloy:

about him being a stockbroker or anything like that It just gets thrown out the

Sean Malloy:

window fun fact regarding the opening scene as amazing as the opening scene

Sean Malloy:

is do you know that that is a shot for shot remake of a Jackie Chan of a scene

Katie:

I did not know that.

Katie:

That's interesting.

Katie:

it.

Sean Malloy:

story Police they I mean well Stallone is a huge fan of Jackie

Sean Malloy:

Chan And so I think he was kind of pan homage Yeah But I I can send it to you

Sean Malloy:

on YouTube but I mean it is shot for shot Same thing He's standing in the middle of

Sean Malloy:

the road has a revolver the semi-truck halts on the brakes guys go out the

Sean Malloy:

windshield I mean it is exactly the

Katie:

Interesting.

Katie:

I did not know that.

Katie:

I didn't catch that he was a stockbroker.

Katie:

I just thought that he was really into it.

Sean Malloy:

Maybe sorry

Katie:

you know,

Sean Malloy:

Yeah No you're

Katie:

I do feel like Stallone was probably, this is right before Rocky

Katie:

five, I feel like he trying to distance himself make, try not to be pigeonholed

Katie:

as this, just like beefy, muscley guy.

Katie:

Even though

Katie:

some jabs at that in this movie.

Katie:

He was trying to be a little more sophisticated and show that he smart.

Katie:

But that's a good point that you said.

Katie:

He loses the glasses after a while and

Sean Malloy:

Yeah Well not only does he lose the glasses but he loses every touch

Sean Malloy:

that made that character unique with the exception of the sister I'm just

Sean Malloy:

thinking about this They could have done okay once they get out of prison and try

Sean Malloy:

to find the bad guys who set them up where Stallone has to or excuse me Ray

Sean Malloy:

Tango has to Phone his stockbroker to help him out and get him some information

Sean Malloy:

Or maybe he has to phone his stockbroker to get him some money so that they can

Sean Malloy:

you know I mean something like that But they just throw that out I if I can I

Sean Malloy:

get to the point where I fill this film

Sean Malloy:

goes off

Sean Malloy:

the rails Is that okay

Katie:

I'm, there's a specific moment.

Katie:

Okay.

Sean Malloy:

There is a specific moment Okay So I I will say I think there is

Sean Malloy:

a fantastic nugget in this film I think the idea of two top cops two badass cops

Sean Malloy:

who are at odds with one another who are set up for a crime are sent into a

Sean Malloy:

prison And they survive amongst all of the criminals they put behind bars And

Sean Malloy:

they have to figure out not they have to put aside their differences team up

Sean Malloy:

to not only escape but also fend off all these criminals that they locked

Sean Malloy:

up I think that is an amazing idea I think that is an ACEs idea I think it's

Sean Malloy:

wonderful and I think this film does an amazing job setting that up And when they

Sean Malloy:

get to prison some of the little prison antics are a little silly Okay fine the

Sean Malloy:

prison escape sequence I think is kick ass I love the prison escape sequence

Sean Malloy:

It's raining and they're using their belts to scale the telephone wires

Sean Malloy:

if you will so they can escape I've love that scene It's awesome The problem is

Sean Malloy:

once they leave prison all stakes are out the window And in my opinion that

Sean Malloy:

is where I feel the script doctors if it was Stallone whoever it was came in and

Sean Malloy:

started nettling with the stew And the film really does It really does kind of

Sean Malloy:

fall apart in some ways because if you think about it once they're out of prison

Sean Malloy:

they're still wanted fugitives However they're just wandering the streets They're

Sean Malloy:

even I mean Gabe Cash is even I know this is a movie but he's even like calling in

Sean Malloy:

favors to guys on the precinct or whatever and it's like you know you guys are

Sean Malloy:

still wanted right You know that not only were you imprisoned for this crime but

Sean Malloy:

now you're wanted fugitives and they're just not disguising themselves in any

Sean Malloy:

way I guess ta uh cash does later on a

Katie:

drag when he is dressed up as a

Sean Malloy:

it just

Katie:

Yeah.

Sean Malloy:

and that's the other thing too It's like why why is that scene in

Sean Malloy:

there Why why is that scene in there Suddenly at the end you get this big

Sean Malloy:

giant truck that feels like it would be more suitable for some kind of

Sean Malloy:

Transformers movie It's just it just gets ridiculous You know what I mean

Katie:

the,

Sean Malloy:

it it for me it falls

Katie:

Yes.

Katie:

So there's all these favors.

Katie:

There are, were a lot of yeah, probably like post-prison.

Katie:

lot of characters introduced in quick sequence.

Katie:

It's like they know the captain is on their side.

Katie:

They have people to help them.

Katie:

They have a gadget guy, which again seems very action movie of 1980s.

Katie:

That helps them with that monster.

Katie:

It was like the BAT mobile in an RV with a computer system.

Katie:

Very high tech for 1989.

Sean Malloy:

is cool I mean don't get me wrong it's cool but I mean

Sean Malloy:

I don't know if that needed to be in the film you know what I

Katie:

Agreed.

Katie:

There were a lot of things that I was like, why do we keep introducing new care?

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

I guess I can see your point there.

Katie:

I got a kick out of the nods or in jokes calling back to previous movies

Katie:

or just like in jokes, I guess.

Katie:

So there was the Rambo one at the beginning.

Sean Malloy:

Mm-hmm

Katie:

I feel like it was a shot at Arnold.

Katie:

so everyone probably is aware of that.

Katie:

In the eighties there was a true rivalry between Sylvester

Katie:

Sloan and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Katie:

There's a scene in the prison when they first get to the prison.

Katie:

There's this neanderthal looking dude.

Katie:

And Stallone, Ray Tango calls him Conan the barbarian calling back to an

Katie:

Arnold role, like poking fun at him.

Katie:

Did you think that's what was happening there?

Katie:

Like that He was

Katie:

fun of Arnold?

Sean Malloy:

You know I didn't put that together but no one makes total sense

Sean Malloy:

I mean it makes total sense cuz they they just did not like each other There

Sean Malloy:

was that total rivalry I mean and then there are so many lines in this film

Sean Malloy:

that are there to float Stallone's ego if you will I mean you know what I mean

Sean Malloy:

Like um there's there's the scene in the

Katie:

Oh, we are gonna need to talk about the shower scene.

Sean Malloy:

mean It's just yeah But going back to what I said earlier I that that's

Sean Malloy:

my big issue with this film that I've always struggled with this film is I love

Sean Malloy:

it don't get me wrong but once they escape prison like I said I feel that the stakes

Sean Malloy:

go out the window a bit there aren't any core villains I think Jack Pance is a

Sean Malloy:

cool villain but I mean you know that he won't be able to stand toe to toe

Sean Malloy:

against either Kurt Russell or Stallone So there's really nothing But again if

Sean Malloy:

they had kept the film in the prison then they could have squared off Conan

Sean Malloy:

and they could had Some real Some real menace there at at some ways but you know

Sean Malloy:

and I don't know I I'd like to see the original script I wonder if the original

Sean Malloy:

script was a hundred percent in prison and then it got changed along the way

Sean Malloy:

It sounds like

Katie:

Well, the original director had a much darker version,

Katie:

I that kind of aligns with what you're saying.

Katie:

And there were far too many cooks in the kitchen.

Katie:

In fact, there were technically four people directing this movie.

Katie:

So the original director, an interim person they hired the other guy, and

Katie:

then unofficially Sylvester Stallone.

Katie:

So probably hard to coalesce around , one solid idea.

Katie:

Yeah.

Katie:

The Jack P.

Katie:

Guy.

Katie:

It was almost weird.

Katie:

I didn't quite buy, talking about not buying, like why he, I mean

Katie:

these cops keep busting his business.

Katie:

But I mean, that's just the way that it goes.

Katie:

It's not gonna stop when these guys are out of the picture.

Katie:

And then , there was this whole mouse maze.

Katie:

Backdrop

Katie:

the, yeah, the mice and then there was just a lot about the mice.

Katie:

And then at the end, that was kind of the only thing that I thought was like a

Katie:

little bit staked when there was all the monster trucks, outside of that I dunno

Katie:

if it was a warehouse or what, where there's a bomb inside and, they're trying

Katie:

to escape the situation and they realize they're actually kind of in a maze.

Katie:

And so it was, it's all for Eve Perret's amusement , but yeah, it is a

Katie:

little all over the place that point.

Sean Malloy:

When you do kind of forget at a certain period because he's off screen

Sean Malloy:

for so long that Jack Pance in the movie That's the big thing I've that one of the

Sean Malloy:

things I've struggled with the film is you know he's the big villain who orchestrates

Sean Malloy:

this huge elaborate setup if you will And then he just kind of leaves the film which

Sean Malloy:

you know PANCE Jack Pance was on Jay Leno And I mean talk about old school actors

Sean Malloy:

who speak their mind and don't give a damn I mean there was a hilarious interview

Sean Malloy:

on The Tonight Show where he's just like Sebastian Stallone and Kurt Russell are

Sean Malloy:

the two biggest assholes around I mean he doesn't say that but he's like you know

Sean Malloy:

they they acted like bastards on set They were completely and so so it is kind of

Sean Malloy:

interesting It's it's kind of sad when you hear that You're like oh man like

Sean Malloy:

these guys are my heroes But on the other hand it's you know also you also gotta

Sean Malloy:

think Jack Pance he was the action hero Of the sixties seventies if you will and

Sean Malloy:

suddenly now he's doing a film where the new action heroes are kind of taken

Sean Malloy:

over There might have been a little bit of bitterness on his behalf where he was

Sean Malloy:

kind of like I'm the original you know

Sean Malloy:

what I mean

Katie:

old Hollywood, they wouldn't do this cuz

Katie:

Basically that Kurt and especially Sly , were on a major ego trip.

Katie:

An interesting interview for sure.

Katie:

Now the other thing I guess your point about things kind of falling

Katie:

apart is there were too many bad guys.

Katie:

I couldn't follow who, like, why were there so many bad guys?

Katie:

There was James Hong's character Juan who was hired.

Katie:

There was him and then some other guy that they were hired by Pert.

Katie:

But then there's also that ponytail guy with the British accent,

Katie:

And then the jail, all the jail people.

Katie:

I don't know, there was just a lot of bad guys and it was

Katie:

hard for me anyway, to be like,

Katie:

who's who?

Katie:

Why are they all involved?

Sean Malloy:

I honestly think if they had stripped this back a bit and just

Sean Malloy:

kept it in minimal locations then I mean yeah Because as as soon as you

Sean Malloy:

know Kurt Russell is is hiding and he's putting on the drag and everything and

Sean Malloy:

suddenly you have this love subplot if you will between Gabe Cash and dating

Sean Malloy:

Ray Tangles sister You know how dare he you know what I mean it it didn't need

Sean Malloy:

to be in there And and I have a buddy right now who who's probably gonna be

Sean Malloy:

listening thinking like no I love the truck at the end Okay fine They I guess

Sean Malloy:

they could have kept that in some way but there are so many other little elements

Sean Malloy:

about this film That don't belong in this particular film Again keep it in

Sean Malloy:

the prison you know they could have done

Katie:

I

Sean Malloy:

much with the prison

Sean Malloy:

know what I

Sean Malloy:

Having said that though I mean I'm gonna go back to what I said earlier the

Sean Malloy:

breakout sequence is awesome I love the breakout sequence where they're teaming

Sean Malloy:

up and using their belts to go from tower to tower I think that's a great

Sean Malloy:

sequence Maybe save that for the end though you know what I mean I remember

Sean Malloy:

seeing this for the first time and after that prison escape sequence the film

Sean Malloy:

really does kind of peter out It really like it it it's it's almost kind of like

Sean Malloy:

Saved some of the best moments for that part there And you know and then the

Sean Malloy:

film it just kind of spins its wheels

Katie:

With the sister like serves no purpose really, other than

Katie:

to show a pretty girl, you know?

Sean Malloy:

Yeah And I still don't understand what her dance

Katie:

Oh my God, it

Sean Malloy:

I guess you

Katie:

something that she how to drum this role and, It was like

Katie:

she just hit a few like that.

Katie:

That's kind of sad actually.

Katie:

But the escape scene took note of, I loved that it was raining and

Katie:

they have their skimpy tank tops which segues into the shower scene.

Katie:

We have to talk about the shower scene.

Katie:

It was, me, probably one of the highlights of the movie because first

Katie:

of all, have a Sylvester Stallone and a Kurt Russell in their physical prime.

Katie:

I mean, they're so handsome, handsome, and then, , with their each other just

Katie:

constantly, and now they're in the shower.

Katie:

We get a side by side naked shot of them walking away from us.

Katie:

I mean, But I will say I, I'm not complaining, but that

Katie:

shower scene lasted forever.

Katie:

What did you think about that?

Sean Malloy:

I mean it was it's just kind of funny that there's a joke where Kurt

Sean Malloy:

Russell refers to Sylvester Stallone as Peewee He says don't flatter yourself

Sean Malloy:

peewee And then later on in the film he calls Stallone tripod So it's kind

Sean Malloy:

of like what are we and I honestly

Katie:

too.

Katie:

I'm like, well, which is it?

Katie:

Because tripod is a major compliment, so.

Sean Malloy:

And I honestly think I could be wrong with this but I honestly

Sean Malloy:

think Stallone Was in the editing room and he said Hmm you know what I gotta

Sean Malloy:

end it with Cuz if you notice tripod

Katie:

It

Sean Malloy:

later on in the

Katie:

after, but

Sean Malloy:

and so immediately after Yeah And so I honestly think Stallone

Sean Malloy:

was like no you have to end You can you can poke fun but it has to end

Sean Malloy:

where I am complimented You know what I mean And maybe I'm wrong but I don't

Katie:

I you know, that very well.

Katie:

Could be.

Katie:

But I took note of that too.

Katie:

I'm like, well, this doesn't make sense.

Katie:

You're negating your insult.

Katie:

But

Katie:

I don't know, man, that shower scene was, it went on kind of uncomfortably long.

Katie:

they just keep fun at each other over and over again.

Katie:

I mean, it was very nice on the eyes for me to watch, so I shouldn't complain about

Katie:

scene.

Sean Malloy:

And of course I mean it's be expected Okay You have a film in

Sean Malloy:

the late eighties with two action stars who are in prison you're gonna

Sean Malloy:

have that shower sequence you know what I mean And I'm trying to think

Sean Malloy:

I think just about every movie set in a prison you're always gonna get the

Sean Malloy:

obligatory shower moment I mean it's funny cuz I was watching um I actually

Sean Malloy:

think it's one of Clint Eastwood's best movies Did you ever see Escape from

Katie:

Oh, it's been a very long time, but yes.

Sean Malloy:

There is a sequence in that film and Clint Eastwood uses the

Sean Malloy:

opportunity in the shower to to beat the hell out of a man You know what I mean

Katie:

that is always kind of part of it.

Katie:

I was like, we're in for a treat when there's a side-by-side nude

Katie:

scene of them, walking away from us.

Katie:

I quite enjoyed that.

Katie:

Stall Sloan does like to show his butt in movies, so there's that.

Sean Malloy:

Not as much as Jean Claude Vandam That was always

Sean Malloy:

it seemed like it was in Jean Claude Van Dam's contract where

Katie:

Hey, I mean, if you got it flaunted, I guess.

Sean Malloy:

and I think Vandam even said that later on is I I remember

Sean Malloy:

listening to was it a commentary track or something of just said like I I work

Sean Malloy:

hard on this so I'm going to Show it off so you know Hey good for him if you got

Katie:

Yeah

Katie:

Those guys.

Katie:

The amount of work that, yeah, that's sculpting of Clay

Katie:

Let's see.

Katie:

The, I was just thinking that there was a few other pieces of trivia that I noted.

Katie:

I was glad that you brought up that Swayze was originally supposed

Katie:

to play Kurt Russell's role.

Katie:

Did you see who, some of the other people they considered were?

Sean Malloy:

I did not

Sean Malloy:

I may have heard this though

Katie:

I mean, according to my internet research they considered

Katie:

Pierce Brosnan, Kevin Costner, Liam Neon, and Bruce Willis.

Katie:

But , obviously Kurt ultimately got the role.

Sean Malloy:

You know what obviously I love Kurt Russell in the film but you

Sean Malloy:

hear that list and I could see Any one of those actors also taken on the role

Sean Malloy:

of Gabe Cash You know I but I don't think they would have been able see again

Sean Malloy:

this is the beauty of Kurt Russell is he is able to nail those comedic lines

Sean Malloy:

perfectly And as much as I like Kevin Costner Bruce Willis might have been able

Sean Malloy:

to do it but I don't think her

Sean Malloy:

yeah he he can do comedy But I don't know about the other guys I definitely couldn't

Sean Malloy:

see Liam Neon doing it Plus around this time he was he was doing like next of

Sean Malloy:

kin oddly enough with Patrick Swayze so

Katie:

yeah.

Katie:

casting.

Katie:

What ifs?

Katie:

Now , here's another, like on the lines of casting.

Katie:

So Terry Hatcher was not the original actress that they had hired to play.

Katie:

Ray Tango's sister I forget her name either way, at this time.

Katie:

Both of them were relatively unknown, but they ended up casting Terry Hatcher.

Katie:

This is a detail I appreciate because she looked more like Sylvester Stallone, they

Katie:

look like they could actually be related.

Katie:

tidbit?

Sean Malloy:

Oh interesting

Katie:

like the and everything.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah That is interesting I guess that's the only characteristic of

Sean Malloy:

Stallone's character that is from point A of the film to The end of the film is

Sean Malloy:

fact that he has the little sister But everything else about that character is

Sean Malloy:

thrown out I will say about the movie that I've always loved is as much as we've

Sean Malloy:

dogged the the final act of the film how silly it gets I do love the fact that the

Sean Malloy:

film ends with a freeze frame of tango and cash What is it they're holding hands up

Sean Malloy:

in the air high fiving and it just ends That's the other thing too this film does

Sean Malloy:

that not a lot of films do nowadays is it doesn't overstay its welcome to an extent

Sean Malloy:

after that final action sequence They high five boom hit credits We don't need

Sean Malloy:

an epilogue of them putting aside their differences and get ready to suit up for

Sean Malloy:

the next mission No it it knows when to

Katie:

Yeah, it was that perfect happy ending

Katie:

really get a lot anymore in movies,

Katie:

more quips, they're constantly, , can I finally date your

Katie:

sister , over my dead body?

Katie:

Okay.

Sean Malloy:

And when the way it ends you wonder okay are they gonna be

Sean Malloy:

joining the department or it seems like both their commanders give them long

Sean Malloy:

leashes on the department so maybe they would be starting up their own unit

Sean Malloy:

where they're given carte blanche to you know that that could the sequel we

Sean Malloy:

never got Right

Katie:

don't think it needed a sequel, but it is surprising.

Katie:

And that's the reason I brought up the expendables, how Kurt turned down

Katie:

the expendables only because, so this was a box office hit, so it's kind of

Katie:

surprising they didn't do a sequel.

Katie:

And I wonder if there was a lot of trouble on the set, I guess.

Katie:

There were went way over budget.

Katie:

The timeline took way too long.

Katie:

In fact I was reading that the film just finished weeks before it was actually

Katie:

in cinema due to those delays and a few other like compounding factors.

Katie:

The final cut of the film was approved by , the studio just days.

Katie:

Before it was supposed to be theatrically released,

Katie:

didn't have

Sean Malloy:

And you can tell

Katie:

making it

Sean Malloy:

And you can tell I mean it does feel there are elements of this

Sean Malloy:

film that feel Frankenstein stitched

Katie:

very

Sean Malloy:

together I mean And can very much tell of it's kind of a shame

Sean Malloy:

that that that release was so locked in that they couldn't have you know

Sean Malloy:

Hey you know what let's delay it six months or a year so that we can fine

Katie:

Wanted to get out for Christmas, I guess.

Katie:

It being a box office hit, I also saw, it was not a critic darling

Katie:

by any stretch of the imagination.

Katie:

I thought this was funny.

Katie:

The Los Angeles Times called it a waste of talent and energy on all levels.

Katie:

A bit harsh or What are your thoughts about that?

Sean Malloy:

I mean I think that's a bit harsh I mean because I think you know

Sean Malloy:

both Kurt Russell and Stallone we already talked about Kurt Russell but Stallone

Sean Malloy:

too I mean these guys are movie stars who have that swagger that just lights

Sean Malloy:

up a room what I mean So I wouldn't say it's a it's a waste of their talents if

Sean Malloy:

you want to talk a waste of Stallone's talents take a look at escape plan too

Katie:

You're right.

Sean Malloy:

I I don't think that's fair I think I don't think this film was ever

Sean Malloy:

gonna be a critical darling because it is a big dumb action movie with a huge

Sean Malloy:

emphasis on dumb it is absolutely just bananas in so many ways but also it's

Sean Malloy:

lot of fun You know what I mean And and something else that we really haven't

Sean Malloy:

talked about that I think is important to note is you know sadly remember on

Sean Malloy:

my respective podcast I remember speaking with will Bell who is he was the writer

Sean Malloy:

for Aquaman he's actually a former police officer himself turned screenwriter and

Sean Malloy:

he said that the the cop movie if you will is fraught right now in Hollywood

Sean Malloy:

So chances are we're really not gonna be getting Any other police themed movies

Sean Malloy:

in Hollywood And if we do let's be honest it's it seems to typically where they are

Sean Malloy:

crooked if you will there's a bad element you know which which is fine I mean you

Sean Malloy:

know training Day is an amazing movie Dark Blue also with Kurt Russell is a great

Sean Malloy:

movie But these type of movies where the where the police officers are just these

Sean Malloy:

kind of renegade mavericks who get the job done but at the same time are so cool I

Sean Malloy:

don't wanna sound completely nostalgic but I I think I can say with certainty I don't

Sean Malloy:

think we're gonna get these ever again We're not gonna a maverick you know the

Sean Malloy:

cop who plays by his own rules but gets the job done we're not gonna see those

Katie:

part of the fun and that's like really kind of part of the show too.

Katie:

It is.

Katie:

It is nostalgia.

Katie:

It is.

Katie:

This movie is so a part of its, time that we don't get it.

Katie:

And that's why it's fun to reminisce about movies like this

Katie:

because we don't get it anymore.

Sean Malloy:

Mm-hmm

Katie:

is so different now for a number of reasons that we, won't.

Katie:

into to bore everyone to death.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah

Katie:

I'm trying to think through some of, other little tidbits

Katie:

before we share our final thoughts.

Katie:

But it does pay Stallone likes you because, oh, there was also two things.

Katie:

One, there was a scene where he says, I hate Danish.

Katie:

Somebody's like, let's you know, I don't know if it was Gabe was like,

Katie:

let's stop and get Danish and coffee.

Sean Malloy:

Mm-hmm That was a

Katie:

I

Sean Malloy:

that was poking fun at

Katie:

just going through a bitter divorce with his Danish ex-wife, Nielsen.

Katie:

a lot of those in this movie that I thought were interesting.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah Yeah Yeah And cool to see an actor poke fun at themselves

Sean Malloy:

and their career but it's really interesting though that they were poking

Sean Malloy:

that much fun at I guess I I say they but Kurt Russell really isn't poking

Sean Malloy:

fun at his career it's more the Stallone show but the fact that he was doing

Sean Malloy:

that in his prime you know what I mean

Katie:

And if he likes you, so obviously like brae, they were

Katie:

married for a year and a half and she was in two of his movies anyway.

Katie:

The guy who plays I think is his name in the movie, but he's referred to by the

Katie:

guys by Gabe and Ray as Ponytail, cuz he wears that slicked back, low ponytail.

Katie:

Do you know

Katie:

about?

Sean Malloy:

Yeah

Katie:

So apparently, and again it's like why was he there?

Katie:

Why was he in this movie so much?

Katie:

Well, it turns out his original role was a very small one.

Katie:

But he has a British cockney accent that Sylvester Stallone loved, and

Katie:

his role got expanded because of that.

Katie:

So

Katie:

piece of

Sean Malloy:

no that's I was aware of that I believe that actor's

Sean Malloy:

name is Byron Goodness I I've I've lost his name It's Byron something

Sean Malloy:

but he actually passed away

Sean Malloy:

a few years ago but he was a bit actor in a ton of a ton of stuff in roles like

Sean Malloy:

these where he was kind of that that henchman if you will Yeah He was in Red

Sean Malloy:

Scorpion with Dolf Lundgren He shows up in that he was in a very underrated

Sean Malloy:

comedy that does not get the credit it it deserves he was in one with Chris Elliot

Sean Malloy:

called Cabin Boy that was quite funny So um Allen is his name Sorry Byron Oh excuse

Sean Malloy:

me I'm sorry Not Byron Brian J Brian

Katie:

spelled B r I O n, though,

Katie:

spelled different,

Sean Malloy:

yes Yeah Yeah Brian Brian James So yeah he was one of those

Sean Malloy:

great character actors that we lost that we don't see too much anymore So

Sean Malloy:

I will say the scenery as the grenade strapped to his mouth is funny it

Sean Malloy:

comes a little late and is a little too silly for The film I will say

Katie:

I liked that scene too, he puts it in his pants and it's

Katie:

like, this is my contribution to birth control or something.

Katie:

I liked , that bit.

Katie:

So, gosh, I know we've been a little bit all over the place with

Katie:

this movie because it in and of itself was a bit all over the place.

Katie:

But , we get a nice super.

Katie:

Perfect cheesy, 1980s ending.

Katie:

I mean, it seems like we could go on and on just forever, but we do have

Katie:

to return to the present day reality.

Katie:

Until next time, do you have any closing thoughts about this movie

Katie:

before we talk about your work?

Sean Malloy:

love it I love it I wouldn't put Well you know what Actually no I

Sean Malloy:

I think I will put it in my top 10 of Stallone films because it is Stallone

Sean Malloy:

in his prime Yeah because I mean again it it's Stallone in his prime And I think

Sean Malloy:

when and it's not just Stallone but I think it's any actor to be perfectly

Sean Malloy:

honest their most memorable pieces of work are when they're in there in that sweet

Sean Malloy:

spot if you will of their career that prime period You know what I mean And so

Sean Malloy:

um you know obviously there's the Rocky and there's the Rambo course is gonna

Sean Malloy:

hold a special place so I think this is you know it's big it's dumb it's goofy

Sean Malloy:

It's um a a guy's guy action movie but there's also something there's some stuff

Sean Malloy:

in there for the ladies but it is what it is Um I I think there are some problems

Sean Malloy:

with it as we talked about ad nauseum I'm sorry if I drilled on about those

Katie:

here for,

Sean Malloy:

But think it's it's a lot of fun What's cool about it too is

Sean Malloy:

it's one of those movies it's a perfect background movie It's one of those movies

Sean Malloy:

that I can that you can put on in the background on afternoon or a Friday night

Sean Malloy:

whatever it may be And you're still gonna love it I've come back to it multiple

Sean Malloy:

times for re watches It's a ton of fun on re watches it does the trick It's

Katie:

I was curious how often you gave it a rewatch, so that's helpful to know.

Katie:

I I'm a Stallone girl, so I don't know if I would put this in my top 10.

Katie:

I just looked to see what the IMDB rating was, and it's a 6.4, out of 10.

Katie:

that's probably where I would put it.

Katie:

I love it for what it is.

Katie:

Like I'm not trying to say, you know, put today's standards on it, or it was a fun,

Katie:

silly buddy caught movie of its time.

Katie:

were some problems, but it's fun.

Katie:

It's fun, it's action.

Katie:

yes, for me, action isn't my big it's not my favorite genre by, by any

Katie:

stretch of the imagination, but you add some fun flavor with these two guys.

Katie:

I mean, Sylvester Sloan and Kurt Russell in their prime.

Katie:

You almost can't go wrong.

Katie:

It's gonna be a good time.

Katie:

So I think people,

Katie:

if you haven't seen Tango and Cash for a while, put it on, do some

Katie:

cleaning around the house, make some dinner while you're doing it.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah You're not gonna yeah you're not gonna miss any any

Sean Malloy:

vital plot elements in any kind of way If anything the worst thing that

Sean Malloy:

will happen is I'll say Now who's this character where you know why But in in

Sean Malloy:

the end it doesn't matter It doesn't matter You know if you're wondering

Sean Malloy:

why suddenly Michael Pollard is coming in trying to sell him the uh the the

Sean Malloy:

truck

Katie:

were a few other guys that I was like, oh, I know him from this and that.

Sean Malloy:

Mm-hmm Yeah Oh wow If you want to go full circle the

Sean Malloy:

auditory expert who is the expert in sound or whatever that is Michael

Sean Malloy:

Jeter who we were talking earlier about evening shade but he was on

Sean Malloy:

evening shade so there you go

Katie:

To bring it all the

Katie:

job, Sean.

Sean Malloy:

Yeah

Sean Malloy:

There

Katie:

you know, I really can't thank you enough for joining me to reminisce

Katie:

about the last action movie of the 1980s.

Katie:

Please tell us where people can find even more of your awesome stuff.

Sean Malloy:

Well thank you Um yeah I host uh my favorite action Star is is

Sean Malloy:

Mr Dolf Lindgren And so I host uh I must break this podcast which is of course a

Sean Malloy:

a reference to his one of his most iconic lines yeah uh it it's it's a fun podcast

Sean Malloy:

I've been doing it now for the past five six years me and a special guest look at

Sean Malloy:

his extensive filmography break it down in between a lot of those episodes I've

Sean Malloy:

been very fortunate to speak with a lot really cool people who have had a hand in

Sean Malloy:

making a lot of these films with with Mr Lundgren So um I've spoken with directors

Sean Malloy:

and screenwriters stunt performers actors you name it Um still am holding out hope

Sean Malloy:

that maybe I'll be able to get Mr Lundgren on the show one day never say never but

Sean Malloy:

the show is Fortunately unfortunately we're actually in the the third act I

Sean Malloy:

guess of the show if you will we're coming upon his most recent work And so the show

Sean Malloy:

is going to be wrapping up and kind of being put to bed We'll see cuz um you know

Sean Malloy:

we're we're getting caught up to his most recent efforts but you know we we still

Sean Malloy:

have some gas left in the tank I will say Um but uh yeah it's been a ton of fun So

Sean Malloy:

please check it out it's on its own feed it's also on the last of the Action Heroes

Katie:

It's great.

Katie:

I love dolf I'm so glad that your show exists, Sean, and I'm sure you'll

Katie:

find something to keep you busy, you know, even after the final act

Katie:

your

Sean Malloy:

Hey as as I keep getting these guest appearance opportunities for

Sean Malloy:

this for shows like this then we'll be

Katie:

Awesome.

Katie:

And hey, everyone listening, if you like what you're hearing, why not follow Retro

Katie:

Made on your podcast app and subscribe to the Retro Made Podcast YouTube channel.

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