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14th Dec 2023

Silkwood + Mama's Family + Cabbage Patch Kids Craze of 1983 | S1E17

We are going back to December of 1983…for the 40th anniversary of the release of Silkwood! And, since this movie is mysteriously unavailable literally anywhere - so you’re stuck with just me today ;) 

Our everyman, Kurt Russell, is joined by Meryl Streep & Cher for this movie based on a true story and got alot of award attention.

Plus, I talk Mama's Family AND the Cabbage Patch Kids craze of 1983; you don't want to miss it!

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Katie:

Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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We are going back to December of

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Yep.

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40 of the release of Silk Wood.

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And since this movie is

mysteriously unavailable, literally

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anywhere, , you're stuck with me,

just me today, our every man.

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Kurt Russell is joined by Meryl Streep

and Cher for this movie based on a true

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story and got a lot of award attention

and rightly so, which we'll get into.

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But before we open the time capsule like

we usually do, I wanted to sincerely

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thank you for listening or watching.

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If you watch on YouTube, be sure to keep

in touch with me and all the things.

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Nostalgia on our Facebook page,

the Retro Made Facebook page.

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We're actually, I'm currently

in the middle of a Christmas

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movie recommendation.

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Streak, I guess you could say.

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I do, also wanna hear from you, so

please reach out with any feedback.

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And remember that email address

is Retro Made podcast@gmail.com.

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I'd also very much appreciate a

rating or even better a review

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if you can spare a few minutes.

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And hey, if you're new

to the show, welcome.

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I cover retro movies, TV and pop

culture, because let's be honest,

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it was just better back in the day.

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So now let's all reminisce

together by opening the time

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capsule from December of 1983.

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Now, in the time capsule, the first

thing we usually cover is the popular

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primetime shows based on Nielsen ratings.

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But we've already covered this season,

the 83 to 84 season, in Red Dawn.

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Was it Red Dawn, was it?

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Yeah, 80, 83 to 84.

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Season we covered in Red Dawn.

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so go back and listen to that episode,

or if you really wanna hear more about

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that primetime TV from that time.

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but there were some new shows that I

do wanna touch on, uh, for this season

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because they're all now 40 years old.

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We have He-Man and the

Masters of the Universe.

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Yep.

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40 40 Guys.

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Inspector Gadget Webster Kids Beat.

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I don't know if any of

you remember Kids Beat.

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I, it uh, spurred my memory a little bit.

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I do now recall this.

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So it's a series of, these one to

two minute televised news segments

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that summarize topics, like

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I dunno.

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Sports current events for

kids and pre-teens too.

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and it's likened to CBS's

in the news feature.

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the segments were hosted by kids, so

broadcast in the US on TBS, that was one

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of my favorites from back in the day.

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I loved all the stuff they had on

TBS, Turner Broadcasting System.

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So this kids beat started in 1983

and it went into the mid nineties

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and it was on, weekday afternoon.

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like kids animated TV blocks.

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So like Inspector Gadget was

probably on one of these blocks,

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uh, animated blocks after school.

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It ran until 1997.

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So that's Kids Beat.

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Does anyone remember this?

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I didn't until I was reading about it.

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So Kids Beat and then also premiering

this year, turning 40 is mama's family.

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I do actually wanna expand on Mama's

family a little bit since we've already

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covered, um, the rest of the TV before we

kind of move on to the music and events.

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So this was so much a

part of my childhood.

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who else watched Mama's Family?

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Again?

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It's like the, the theme song offers

that just like comforting, familiar,

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you know, life from a simpler time

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feeling , mama's family, which I'm sure

most of you know, but in case you weren't

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to wear it, this is actually a spinoff.

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The series Mama's Family is a spinoff

of a recurring series of comedy

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sketches, and it was called The Family.

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But it was only Carol Burnett

Show, which ran, from 67 to 78.

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I don't think I realized

it was on that long.

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And then also Carol Burnett and

Company, which was on, in:

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those sketches led to, a

TV movie called Eunice.

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So the character Eunice

played by Carol Burnett.

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And then finally the television series,

mama's Family that we're covering now.

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So again, it ran on NBC, from 83 to 1990.

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You guys, I don't remember

it going until:

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Uh, the first two seasons are

very different from the latter

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seasons and maybe why that is, but.

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It's fi, it's, set in this fictional

town, Raytown, Missouri, which is suppo.

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It's fictional, but it's supposed to

be sort of like a Kansas City suburb,

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although the writing definitely

skews more Southern and even some of

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the, write-ups about the show, talk

about its southern nature, although

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technically Missouri could, it's

kind of one of those cuspy states.

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But either way, it's very bible belty

and the show revolves around Thelma

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Harper, affectionately known as

Mama and her quirky southern family.

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Like I said, the series Humorously

depicts mama's interactions with her

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outspoken relatives and neighbors.

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Mama is known for her sharp Witt.

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No nonsense and wise cracking ways.

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Her humor often takes the form of

sarcastic remarks, and clever one-liners,

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adding a comedic edge to the show.

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Mama's quick tongue and sassy attitude

contribute to the series comedic charm as

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she navigates the ups and downs of family

life in her own unforgettable style.

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So that's kind of the little

description of the show.

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Please tell me, you guys are all familiar

with Mama's family, and I know it seems

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like, oh my gosh, the, you might recall

it as a super cheesy eighties show,

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and it is, but it's like very much of

its time, like the style of writing.

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Like I said, it's comes from

the sketches from a sketch show

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and you just have to go with it.

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If you take it for what

it is, it's super fun.

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Plus you'll see why some of the

cast, are very near and dear to me.

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So we ha this show is

created by Dick Claire.

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Jenna McMahon.

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Directed by mostly so there's

four main directors for the whole

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series, which I think is impressive.

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We have Roger Beatty, Harvey Corman, who

was act actually in the cast as well.

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we'll get to him.

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Dick Martin and Dave Powers it

even won , uh, the Emmy in 84.

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Bob Mackey.

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Yes.

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That Bob Mackey and Rhett

Turner won for costume design.

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They were also nominated in, 83 and 87.

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So Mama is Vicki Lawrence.

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So you all know Vicki Lawrence.

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she, while she was playing a

widow in her mid to late sixties.

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Any guesses how old Vicki

Lawrence actually was?

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I mean, I know, yeah, they make her

look old, but she was 34 playing mama

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in Mama's family and so she's known.

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I swear she wears like the same outfit in.

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Every episode, but she always wore that

like a short sleeve, purple dress, pearls

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and those godawful knee high stockings,

Iola Boylan, the neighbor mama's best

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friend is played by Beverly Archer.

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Ken Berry plays Vinton Harper.

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He is mama's, I think he's the

youngest son, but he's her adult son

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who lives with her and his new wife.

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And he's just a total manchild,

bumbling idiot Vinton.

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Anyway, he's super fun.

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And then Dorothy Lyman

plays his wife, Naomi.

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She's probably my favorite character.

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so she's Benton's wife and who

mom is always, why, you know, we

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talked about her wise cracking and

one-liners and it's like always joking

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about like what a hussy, Naomi is.

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'cause she's very . Sexualized and,

wears like all these off the shoulder

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dresses and outfits and stuff.

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Now, Dorothy Lyman, if that name

sounds familiar and I knew I

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loved her for lots of reasons.

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So she's an, um, been in a lot of things.

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She's, um, been in the

business for a very long time.

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She's not only an actress

but a director as well.

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She directed 74 episodes of the

Nanny, one of my favorite shows.

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Ah, I love it.

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and then here's where we get it with the,

the, the kids and some of the other cast.

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So Bubba is probably who you

guys most are most familiar with.

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The kind of cute, like lovable

jock idiot, grandson of mama.

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He's Vinton's nephew, not Vinton's son.

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He's actually Eunice's son, and he

doesn't come into play until season three.

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Um, the show is actually reincarnated

after the first two seasons, and

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then it became even more popular

and run on different networks.

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a whole backstory that's kind of

boring, so we won't talk about that.

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But Bubba is played by Alan Kaser.

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And then the next two people play Vinton's

Kids uh, from his first marriage and

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they're only in the first two seasons.

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So Buzz, which is Vinton's son from

previous marriage, he's played by Eric

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Brown and Sonya, the daughter from our

previous marriage is played by Karen Rold.

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Then the next slew of people

are, some of my favorites,

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They're also only in

the first two seasons.

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So Harvey Corman, as we talked

about, he's also a director of this.

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He plays Ed Higgins,

who is Eunice's husband.

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And then we talked about Carol

Burnett, who plays Eunice.

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She's actually Thelma's

daughter and Benton's sister.

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The other sister, the other

daughter is Betty White.

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Yep.

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Betty White.

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She plays Ellen.

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So we have Eunice, Ellen and Vinton

are the three kids of Thelma Mama.

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Then we have Aunt Fran, Thelma's

sister played by Ru McClanahan.

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Okay.

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so Ru and Betty, They actually, left

to go be in Golden Girls together.

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Um, let's see.

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The other thing I wanted

to touch on is that Ru.

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Is playing Betty's aunt,

right in Mama's family.

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But Ru is actually 12 years

younger than Betty in real life.

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Wild, huh?

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anyway, it's a super fun show.

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You can currently watch it

on CMT, logo TV and Me tv.

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I love it.

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nice little slice of

comfort for some old timey.

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Simple, fun watch Mama's Family.

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Okay, there's another

phenomenon, from:

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So we're going back to December of 1983.

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So we're Christmas shopping, black Friday.

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Does anybody have a guess what like the

toy was and what a wild craze it caused?

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If you're thinking Cabbage

Patch kids, you're right.

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Mine.

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I think her name was Sonya.

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I actually tried to Google a picture

of her and I couldn't find it.

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I have her somewhere in a tote

downstairs in my mess of a storage area.

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Anyway, so yes, these were dolls that

came with birth certificates and there

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was like a tattoo on their butts,

um, of the creator Xavier Roberts.

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Right.

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So this was like, the first year

of the frenzy in Black Friday

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riots for like ev all children

wanted this cabbage patch craze.

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And we'll get to like how wild it was.

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Okay.

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Again, we're in 1983, so this

consumer madness that exemplified

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this era of Reagan America.

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Um, so we have, it's actually you

wouldn't, I don't think you guys

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will know the brand name, that's

why it's sort of unlikely I.

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It's a story.

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So there's like a $2 billion Cabbage patch

empire that spawned by this soft spoken

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artist turned Toy Tycoon, Xavier Roberts.

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What a cool name by the way, Xavier.

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Anyway, his big, his business began

when he created a doll hospital

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in Georgia called Babyland.

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It's actually still operating, um, PS

There's actually, or I don't know if it's

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still going on post Covid, but there was

like a little doll hospital, not a Cabbage

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Patch one, but just its own like mom and

pop shop, along one of the streets that

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my friends and I used to go brunch at.

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So we'd walk by it all the time and

we're like, who's going to this anyway?

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doll Hospital, Babyland,

Xavier Roberts started that.

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Where dolls were born among leafy

green fields and cared for by nurses.

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What a premise, right?

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But everybody wanted a piece of that.

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So the demand for cabbage patch

kids was apparently so high that

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when they went on sale in 1983,

the supplies actually ran out.

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And the company that made the

dolls, you ready for this?

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Coco, C-O-L-E-C-O-I.

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That mean that rings no bells for me.

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They actually were charged for false

advertising, which is you gotta be pretty

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blatant for that to happen in 1983.

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'cause we've talked about deregulation

during the Reagan era anyway, so

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they actually ran commercials for

a product that was not available.

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So I think that's why they were,

charged for false advertising.

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And then so then they make this

announcement about having to

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pull commercials because of that.

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And that just created an even bigger

craze in demand for the dolls.

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the other thing that they did that

most other toy companies weren't

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doing at the time some inventive

things with their advertising.

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like marketing dolls to Boys.

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They made boys, they made boy dolls

and marketed the dolls to boys as well.

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yeah, so the release of the

Cabbage Patch Dolls coincided.

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I.

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Like we were talking about, with the

FCC lifting restrictions on running

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toy ads during children's programming.

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So suddenly we have this complicit

and very direct relationship between

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toy companies and kids and not to

mention this is:

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to remember that the power of TV and

TV advertising was incredibly high

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because there was really nothing else.

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There wasn't YouTube or any other

screens of any sort that were

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vying for our attention as kids.

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It was the TV commercials and they

really blurred the line between

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commercial and programming.

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So anyway, this is all like this perfect

storm for the Cabbage Patch kids.

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So then the phenomenon in stores

over this holiday season, I was some,

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I was reading some articles about

it, so people were saying it, that

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it felt unprecedented at the time.

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And a store owner literally wielded

a bat to try and calm down crowds

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trying to get Cabbage patch dolls.

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There were tears, bruises,

screaming matches.

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Um, I don't know.

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It was like this was going viral in 83.

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Everybody wanted it.

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They even took one into outer space,

like astronauts took a cabbage

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patch stall into space with them.

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Police were called in one instance

to at least one instance, to dispel a

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disturbance at a Toys R Us in, Huntington,

th,:

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Uh, it was actually one of the

first toys that was able to open it

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up into that level of consumerism.

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and, you know, it's the eighties of

it all right, consumerism, society,

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cultural, and it just kind of speaks

to where we were in the:

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They were incredibly

expensive for the time.

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So I looked up, the price in 1983.

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So although the retail price was

25, because of all $25, because

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of all the demand, a lot of stores

were upping the price to $50.

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And then there were like secondary

black market sales of these Cabbage

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Patch dolls recorded as high as $2,000.

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In today's money, that would be $76.

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Retail 152 for the upped demand pricing

and black market pricing would be

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over six grand for the toy that your

kids were begging for at Christmas.

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So thank you all you parents out there

for braving the chaos and the craze that

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which was the Cabbage Patch Kids in 1983.

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All right, music December, 1983

feels very eighties you guys.

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So the week of December 14th.

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The number one song is Say, say, say

by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson.

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Number two is Say, it

Isn't So by Hall Oates.

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Lionel Richie has the number three song

with All Night Long, and then Billy Joel

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has the number four song with Uptown Girl.

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I think this is maybe one of,

maybe my favorite Billy Joel song.

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It's pretty good.

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I'm not like the biggest Billy Joel fan,

but I remember Uptown Girl being awesome.

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And if Memory serves, is this

where he meets Christie Brinkley?

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Was she in that video?

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I could be totally wrong.

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I could be totally wrong,

but I feel like that's right.

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Somebody let me know.

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Duran Duran how eighties is, the number

five song with Union of the Snake.

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Love is a battlefield by Pat Benatar.

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Ah, that's a song again,

like it gets played.

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The 40-year-old song.

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Now that still gets played regularly

on like popular radio stations,

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owner of a Lonely Heart By Yes.

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I think that's a one hit

wonder I've never heard of.

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Yes, but I know that song.

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Then the number eight song Islands

in the Stream, the duet with

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Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton.

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What a great one.

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That's a really good song.

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And then I sort of didn't remember any

other songs that Olivia Newton John sang

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other than, physical, but the number nine.

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She has the number nine song this week

with Twist of Fate and then Culture

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Club, rounded out the number 10

spot with Church of the Poison Mind.

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There's quite a bit.

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So there's like a lot of weddings.

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Okay.

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In December, I don't know if, I

don't know, that must be a popular

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month for people to get married

December, the Rolling Stone, Keith

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Richards, Mary's model, Patty Hanson.

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They are still married,

so that's pretty cool.

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They actually, met at Studio 54

rd birthday in:

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then got married a few years later.

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Wrestler Hulk Hogan.

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Weds Linda Claridge, they stayed

married for a long time, but you

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know, reality TV show will almost

certainly do your marriage in.

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So they divorced in 2009.

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Uh, Parker Stevenson, one of the

Hardy Boys, marries Kirsty Alley,

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and we talked about them, because

they were both in North and South.

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So we talked about them in

the North and south episode.

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They were married during the time

of that filming, which was in 85.

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They got married in 83 and they

divorced in 80, later in 85.

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So , they didn't stay

married for very long.

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Loretta Sweat, the actress from Mash,

married American actor and attorney,

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Dennis Hallahan, is it Houlahan?

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Hallahan.

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He played the banker in

Scarface, but he's an attorney.

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they divorced in 1995.

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The band, the Who Disbanded.

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December of 1983.

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That was big news apparently.

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I don't know if anybody remembers that.

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Kentucky's first female governor,

Martha Lane Collins was inaugurated.

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Go Kentucky.

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This is both shocking and congratulatory.

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All right.

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Now big movie releases in addition.

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Actually, I don't think, I

don't think that Silkwood was

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like this big movie release.

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No, actually, now that I'm saying this,

I know that it wasn't, it had a limited

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release in December and then was more

widely distributed probably in January.

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So it's not included in our big

vie releases from December of:

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We have sudden impact terms

of endearment, Scarface.

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40.

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All these movies are

like 40 years old now.

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GenTel two of a kind.

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Christine, uncommon Valor, and

the re-release of the rescuers.

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All right, let's get into the movie

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Silkwood, December 14th.

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Today, if you're listening to this on

the day of this episode's release, it

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is officially it's 40th anniversary.

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Exactly.

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And yes, it was more broadly released

in January of:

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Yeah, it's rated R.

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It got, it's over two hours, but it didn't

feel like unnecessarily long or anything.

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The IMDB rating is a 7.1.

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We have Director Mike Nichols,

who's very well known.

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He is probably most known for the

graduate, for which he won an Oscar.

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Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf

working girl, the Birdcage as

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well as I didn't know this.

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Helping to start Second City Improv.

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Go Mike Nichols.

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And then writers, Nora Ephron, who's known

for movies, like writing movies like When

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Harry Met Sally, sleepless in Seattle,

and you've got Mail and also Alice Arlan.

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And Alice is most known

for Silkwood, probably.

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but also Cookie and the Weight of Water.

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So those are our writers.

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We have a wonderful cast here.

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I'm gonna skip forward and

then come back to the cast.

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the score I wanna point out because

it's, I really did enjoy, I.

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Music.

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I think it was very helpful

for this particular film.

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it was done by a French composer.

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I'm Georgia De, I don't know if I

pronounce that correctly or not.

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I do not speak French, but

he was a French composer.

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Tons of credits over 350.

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In fact, he won an Oscar for a little

romance in:

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called him the Mozart of Cinema.

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I might have to agree.

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It was really nicely done.

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The description will help us

with our cast of characters.

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So I have a feeling that a lot of

you have not seen Silkwood, or if

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you have, it's been a very long time

'cause you cannot find this movie.

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It's very hard to watch.

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So here's the description for you.

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It is a fairly accurate recounting

of the story of Karen Silkwood, the

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Oklahoma nuclear plant worker who blew

the whistle on dangerous practices

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at the Kerr McGee plant and died

under, some strange circumstances.

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Karen Silkwood lives a free-spirited

existence with her boyfriend Drew

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Stevens and friend Dolly Plicker,

who also worked with her at

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that Oklahoma nuclear facility.

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It's only when she discovers that she's

been exposed to radiation that Karen's

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conscious awakens, and soon she is

digging for evidence of wrongdoing,

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but her sudden Zelle for safer working

conditions may come at a high price as

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she alienates her friends and possibly

even puts her own life in peril.

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We, of course, have our.

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Kurt Russell, our every

man, Kurt Russell in this.

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That's why we're covering it.

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But he's not the star.

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The star is Ms.

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Meryl Streep.

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She plays Karen Silkwood and

she is phenomenal in this.

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Kurt.

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He's just, I feel like I'm never

gonna not like something he

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does, but he's wonderful in this.

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And then the friend Dolly, so Kurt plays

Drew Stevens her boyfriend, you guys,

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and then the friend, her friend Dolly

Plicker is played by Cher, who is almost

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unrecognizable she's like, no makeup.

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Very like drab clothes.

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We'll get to that a little bit later.

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But Cher was so good in this, you guys.

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Then we have Craig t

Nelson playing Winston.

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I.

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He works at the plant

and we don't like him.

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We see him doctoring some

negatives to hide some wrongdoing.

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Diana scar wind plays

Angela , Dolly's girlfriend.

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So Dolly's a lesbian.

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So yeah, it's just wild Cher play.

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Yeah, just, you guys gotta see it.

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Cher.

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Not all glitz and glammed.

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anyway, so Diana Scar Wind was

actually the name might sound familiar

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to you, and she's recognizable.

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you'll notice her.

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She was nominated for an Oscar in her

small supporting role in Inside Moves

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and then also for Razzy, for playing

Faye Dunaway's daughter in mommy dearest.

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So that's who Diana Scar wind is.

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Fred Ward.

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, you all know him.

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he's kind of one of those guys.

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He's like a vat guy.

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He's a very handsome guy.

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He plays Morgan in this, and he's in the

union, like the labor union with Karen.

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He's known you.

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You'll also see him in,

escape from Alcatraz.

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The right stuff.

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Also uncommon valor that, that we

talked about also was a big movie of

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this time and swing shift, which is

Kurt also in that I know, Goldie is,

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I think Kurt's also in swing shift.

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You guys, I'm, I shouldn't have said that

because now you're probably questioning

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my cred for doing this season with Kurt.

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I have a bad memory.

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Okay, then Ron Silver.

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You all will know him too.

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There's a lot of those guys in this movie.

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Like our top three are just phenomenal.

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And then the supporting cast

really does support them.

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Well, Ron Silver plays Paul Stone.

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He's one of the DC Union leaders.

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, so Meryl and some of her union

people locally travel to dc.

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There's some scenes, where that

happens, and he plays one of those guys.

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He's also in a ton of stuff.

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but if anybody saw the TV show

from the late nineties, Veronica's

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Closet with Kirsty Ali, he plays

her love interest in that Alec.

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Then Charles Hallahan, he plays Earl

Lapin, who's I dunno if he's a real,

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they call him like a veterinarian.

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So I don't know if he's actually like

a real MD or not, but he plays the

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doctor role at the plant 'cause so if

somebody gets contaminated, there's

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this whole process, they basically

have to scrub them down in a shower

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and he does some readings and stuff.

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So he's the doctor there.

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And we talked about him on the thing

episode because he plays Norris in that.

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he actually plays cops a lot as well.

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You'll see him in a lot of cop things.

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And then the other DC Union leader,

max, is played by Joseph Summer.

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I think it's Joseph.

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It might be Joseph because

there it's spelled with an F.

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Anyway, he is a classically

trained stage actor.

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He plays Rothko in Dirty

Harry Schaeffer in witness.

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And if you saw X-Men the last stand,

he played the president in that.

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So that's who he is.

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Then we have Soie Bond.

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She plays Thelma, who is the, she's an

older lady that is, works at the plant

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and is friends with Karen, et cetera.

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She actually gets contaminated

in the movie now Sudi, the ACT

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actress, died a year after this

movie came out in New York.

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Yeah, so she died shortly

after this movie came out.

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Henderson Forsyth plays Quincy.

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He's the union leader at this plant.

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He's best known for his 30 year run as Dr.

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David Stewart on the long running American

opera As the world turns from:

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Wait, did As the world

Turns Start in:

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Wow.

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He won a Tony Award in 1979 for his work

in the original Broadway production of

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the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.

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E Catherine Kerr or Care Plays.

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Gilda, she's another

plant worker and friend.

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She's not super well known, but she

has played judges in several TV shows.

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And she played the Attorney

General in the movie The Siege.

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That's where you might know her.

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And then Bruce McGill plays Mr.

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Hurley.

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He's part of the management.

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At this plant, and he's

a super familiar face.

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You all know him.

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. I thought this was kind of funny.

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So he played D-Day in National

Lampoon's Animal House from:

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and he didn't, he took that role

out of desperation, apparently as a

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young, unemployed actor, and it ended

up being his most well-known role.

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But he does have a long acting career.

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like movies like Wildcats, the Last Boy

Scout, my cousin Vinny Cliffhanger, time

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cop, the Legend of Bagger Vance, and

the sum of all fears, tons of stuff.

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And then lastly, we have David

Stthe as Wesley, and he's

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another plant worker and friend.

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I did not recognize him at first

because he's so young in this.

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I'm not used to seeing him so young.

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I can picture his face now.

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And he is a very handsome, older

man, and he is been in tons of stuff.

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You all know who David Strayhorn is.

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he played, Edward r Murrow

and Goodnight and good luck.

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And then the Secretary of State

in the movie Lincoln, those are

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like some of his starring roles.

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And then he's in lots of TV stuff as well.

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like the Blacklist, alphas,

and even three episodes of The

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Sopranos, one of my favorite shows.

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now this movie did make money and it was

a pretty small budget at $10 million.

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It made a.

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35.6 million at the box

office, so pretty good.

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We did talk about at the beginning

that it's got a lot of award attention.

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I would like to talk

about that for a moment.

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So there were, let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

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Oscar Noms, Meryl Streep

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for leading actress.

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She also got a BAFTA NAMM

for this particular movie.

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Now, Meryl Streep being nominated

for leading actress in this.

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It was the third of three films released

in successive years for which Meryl was

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nominated for the best actress Oscar.

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The first was in 19, like

literally 81, 82, and 83.

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The French Lieutenant's

woman, I have not seen that.

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Now I'm gonna have to watch it.

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And then Sophie's Choice.

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She was just coming off of

Sophie's choice to do this movie.

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So she got three years in a row.

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I think she won actually

for Sophie's Choice.

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Then we have, Cher was nominated

for an Oscar for supporting actress.

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She was also nominated for a bafta.

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Mike Nichols was

nominated, as the director.

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The writers for their screenplay, Nora

Ephron and Alice Arlen were nominated and

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it was also nominated for best editing.

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Now, share one, the

Golden Globe for Silkwood.

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She was really good.

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Meryl was too.

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They were both actually Kurt.

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Yeah.

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Like the three, and I'll talk about

this probably throughout those three.

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I call them the trio.

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Their relationship is so beautiful.

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Like I, their the French

I, ugh, I love it.

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That's like the reason to

watch the movie in my opinion.

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let's see.

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It was also nominated for best

drama at the Golden Globes.

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And then the other, so Kurt

Meryl and Mike Nichols were also

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nominated for Golden Globes.

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Tons.

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Tons.

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Okay.

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Like I said, gosh, I really want

you guys to watch this because it is

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really good and it's now 40 years old.

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and it's about an important topic.

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It's based on a true story.

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I feel like it was one of the early

movies like it of, its of its time

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and a lot of similar movies have come.

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But it's hard to get like it.

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You can't get it anywhere.

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It's not available to stream.

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So I looked on Amazon to buy

it and it's 60 bucks for a used

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copy because they're out of print.

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So I requested it from my

like, libraries network.

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You know how libraries have like a network

even if your library doesn't have it.

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So it took a minute to get

here, but finally it did.

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just in time for me to

record this episode.

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I don't know why.

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It's, actually I did see a Wall

Street Journal article from a couple

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years ago about like, it's some

weirdness with the distribution.

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So Silkwood was distributed by a

company that was later bought by Disney.

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However, when they reached out to

Disney about this, they couldn't

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say for sure if they owned the film.

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So it's one of those that kind

of fell through the cracks.

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So it's literally not available,

but I, but please, you guys get

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it from your library and watch it.

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Please, please, please.

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It's a phenomenal story and from a

story as well as character development

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perspective, it's really well done.

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Okay, so we are set in 1974 and it

opens with this beautiful rural setting

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and a little two door Honda hatchback

driving like off the dirt road.

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And we see the three main

characters driving to work together.

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And there's this beautiful music, you

know, overlaid this opening scene.

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And then after it plays for

a little bit, it adds this,

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it's a recognizable tune too.

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It's this banjo over it.

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Which is also really nice.

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it's just such a nice way to

set the stage of this movie.

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And when we're introduced to the

characters, it's evident that both

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Cher and Meryl, I do this, when I

cover movies, I say their real names

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as opposed to their character names.

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So Cher and Meryl, AKA, Karen and

Dolly, they speak with a little bit of

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an accent, but it's not over the top.

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So, like I said, we're in, it's in

Oklahoma, uh, and like a small town,

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it's not like one of the cities,

it's in a small town in Oklahoma.

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We, it's just again, like

the first part of the movie.

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So good at character

and story development.

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We see how they all interact with

their coworkers and how their everyday

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life is very simple, but they're

so happy and it's comforting and

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:

they have these close friendships.

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They're all, you know,

just, it's quite lovely.

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:

Huh.

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I could, I can't help when I see mood.

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There is so much smoking in this,

you guys, I know it's kind of

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above the time, but you literally,

they were always smoking and you

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can smoke anywhere, everywhere.

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:

Anywhere and everywhere.

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:

The other thing that I took

major note of was the cars.

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So we talked about that little hatchback

that, Meryl drives Karen, but all

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:

everybody else is just the cars in this.

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:

I think that's, I love seeing that

'cause you know, it's nostalgia.

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:

Hey, you're on retro made.

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So I like retro things.

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:

Kurt's hair, you guys, he

has such a good head of hair.

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It's before the eighties

mullet comes into play.

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Gray hair Meryl looks stunningly gorgeous.

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:

Despite God, her hair's awful.

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:

Does it's like a sh scraggly mullet.

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I almost wanna say ala Mrs.

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:

Brady, but it's like her, that's very

kept, it's like a shag mullet with

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real stringy, scraggly long bits.

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:

It's horrible.

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:

So despite that awful hairstyle,

uh, I don't know if that was a thing

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:

in certain parts of the country

and in the seventies, it's awful.

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:

But Meryl still, she's just gorgeous.

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:

And then Cher, like I said, you,

if I didn't know it was Cher,

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:

I wouldn't know it was Cher.

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:

You know what I mean?

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:

So it, it's maybe a stretch that she's

unrecognizable, but it's just wild because

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:

it's so the antithesis of the Cher that

we know, she's in this playing dolly.

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:

She's always in her clothes,

are all utilitarian, no makeup.

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:

She doesn't do anything with her hair.

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:

I mean.

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:

Yeah, somehow she's still like Cher.

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:

I don't know.

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:

Somehow she's still

like kind of attractive.

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:

so all three of these are

Trio, Kurt, Marilyn, Cher.

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:

I did look up when they were born

to see how old they were when

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:

they played these characters.

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:

And they were all in their mid, I'm

sorry, early to mid th mid thirties.

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:

So I think Kurt was actually

the youngest at 32 ish.

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:

And then Meryl and then

Cher might've been 36 ish.

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:

So that's how they were.

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:

And then again, like kind of setting

the stage for the story, the house

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:

that the three of them live in.

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:

So Karen and Drew are boyfriend,

girlfriend and Cher Dolly is their friend.

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:

So the three of them live

in this house together.

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:

It's on a country road.

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:

It's a bit rundown.

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:

It . Okay.

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:

And again, this is Oklahoma.

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:

In 1983, when we see Karen and Drew's

room, there's wood paneling and a

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:

confederate flag above their bed.

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:

It's Drew's flag because, uh,

spoiler later in the movie, he

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:

moves out and we see his new

place and it's in, it's now there.

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:

but it's wild because there are

so many other ways that are like

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:

surprising for someone who would have a

Confederate flag in their home as decor.

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:

but I just, it was, I

had to do a double take.

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:

but I do have a little

story about that actually.

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:

So this is a ni so again, this is actually

the, I'm sorry, it's not in the eighties.

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:

It's actually in the seventies.

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:

While the movie came out in 83, the

events of this story take place in 74.

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:

Well, in 2000, I don't know.

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:

19.

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I wanna say I went to a small town

in Oklahoma for, it was for work.

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So I was there for a work

thing and I was at this bar.

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Of course, there was

nothing for me to eat there,

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:

Um, but I go to the bathroom, like I

go to the bathroom and on my way there,

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I see this man probably about my age

too, like there with like his family.

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:

He's a burly bearded man, but his

outfit was head to toe confederate flag.

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:

Like it was a, uh, like tracksuit

of sorts Confederate flag

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:

out walking around in 2019.

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:

that's my story about a Confederate

flag in small town Oklahoma many,

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:

many, many, many years later.

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Anyway.

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So, I don't know, maybe

that's still a thing.

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:

who knows?

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:

I don't know.

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:

But moving on, we get a lot more

of the closeness of our trio.

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:

I just love it, you guys.

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:

That's the reason to watch this movie,

these actors playing these three people.

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:

It's so good.

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:

So again, like again, we're

just developing the story.

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:

There's not exposition, you know

how a lot of movies do that?

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:

No.

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We just are shown things and then

we kind of see who these people are

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:

and that, that's really what I love.

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:

Like it gives the audience

the benefit of the doubt.

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:

Like it doesn't assume that we're

dumb we, you know, anyway, so we

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:

get further evidence of how close

this, these three people are,

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:

because Karen is a mother of three.

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:

She's divorced from her common

law husband, and he lives in

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:

Texas with her three children.

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:

So Karen is from Texas and she moves.

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:

To Oklahoma.

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:

This, we don't, we're not, we don't know

why she doesn't have custody, because

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:

it's kind of odd, especially at that

time for the mother to not have custody.

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:

and they're little kids.

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:

So anyway, they go to Texas to

visit Karen's kids, all three

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:

of them like up for a road trip.

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:

And there's a cute scene where,

drew is like, Hey, Dolly, you

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:

wanna come down there with us?

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:

She's like, what is there to do there?

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:

He's like, nothing.

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:

She's like, yeah, all right.

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:

it's just really cute that they go

with their friend to see her kids.

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:

and we can just assume that she doesn't

have custody because she's the one

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:

that chose to leave the state maybe.

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:

But there are three very small

children, like in three to

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:

six, like boom, boom, boom.

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:

And there's a cute scene of her

interacting with her kids and the, and.

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:

Drew and Dolly all being there.

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:

So now they're coming back home.

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:

so we see that scene.

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We come back home to Oklahoma and Karen

is starting to actually get worried

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:

about cancer because at the plant,

their coworker Thelma got contaminated.

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:

And in the movie, this must be lingo

for, like plutonium and nuclear plants

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:

um, they call it getting cooked.

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:

Thelma got cooked or if your hands

have are contaminated, they'll say

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:

You're hot, your hands are hot.

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:

So that's just the terminology

that they use in the movie.

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:

so Karen's starting to get worried

about that and Drew says to

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:

her, there's so many sequences of

their relationship and I love it.

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:

It just shows them to be . Just normal.

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:

Just nothing over the top, but just the,

there's a lot of little things that they

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:

do that is like, they're just a sweet,

loving, normal couple and I love it,

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:

, but Kurt Drew, as Drew says, if you're

really worried about it, stop smoking.

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:

Which I thought that was hilarious.

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:

Smart.

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:

And also kind of surprising for 1974.

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:

I mean, I'm sure they all knew at that

point it was probably like, yeah, we know

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:

it's killing us, but we're all addicted

to it, so we smoke everywhere still.

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:

I don't know.

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:

Somebody tell me if you

were alive during that time.

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:

So Karen then learns that she, so she

was trying to get time off that weekend

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:

to go see her kids and was having a hard

time convincing somebody to switch shifts

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:

with her 'cause she hadn't previously, or

like in advance asked for the time off.

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:

So she comes back.

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:

And she learns that the management

team thinks that she purposefully

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:

did something to make the plant

shut down because they knew that

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:

she was trying to get the time off.

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:

She wanted the weekend off.

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:

She obviously didn't, but

she's learning, she's starting

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:

to hear that they think that.

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:

And then we're kind of shown,

we're shown the them at work a lot.

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:

And on the floor of the plant, like near

the door that you would go to exit, like

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:

when you're done with your shift or for

your break or whatever, there's this, like

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:

sensor type device mounted next to the

door that workers are supposed to monitor

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:

themselves before leaving the floor.

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:

That's what they call it.

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:

Like you hold your hands up to it

to, and it kind of reads if there's

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:

anything, like if there's any

contamination, and to see if they're hot.

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:

I guess.

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:

So we see a few times that

Karen has to be reminded.

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:

She doesn't.

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:

She doesn't do it.

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:

She doesn't really take it very seriously.

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:

They're like, come on Karen,

you gotta monitor yourself.

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:

And she's she rolls her eyes.

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:

Okay.

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:

You know, she, so we're shown

several times where she does that.

766

:

And then sure enough there's a

scene where again, like we see they

767

:

throw a little, like impromptu,

well, I guess it's not impromptu.

768

:

'cause they had a birthday

cake made for their coworker,

769

:

Gilda, which wasn't allowed.

770

:

They get caught doing it.

771

:

It kind of makes a little bit of a mess.

772

:

They're not supposed to

have a cake on the floor.

773

:

so Karen has to clean up, but

they're like, they don't want

774

:

her to do that on work time.

775

:

So she says do it after her ship.

776

:

So she's the only one there cleaning up.

777

:

And then we do see her monitor

herself, and she sets the alarm off.

778

:

She's hot.

779

:

This is the first time, first of three

times that she sets an alarm off.

780

:

So now she's starting to be like, okay.

781

:

I'm a little, I'm, you know, over time

she's getting a little more interested.

782

:

So she joins the committee, the

union negotiation committee.

783

:

The leader is Quincy and Morgan

is also, I don't know, he's like

784

:

one of the main union people.

785

:

He's kind of always there.

786

:

The three of them end up going to DC

together to meet with the national

787

:

level union leaders, max and Paul.

788

:

There's a really cute scene, when they go

to dc So they're paid for, everything's,

789

:

paid for by like the national Union.

790

:

, so they fly to dc.

791

:

There's a really cute scene where

she's served a meal on this plane.

792

:

She inquires how much it costs,

not knowing that it comes

793

:

with the price of the ticket.

794

:

It's a really cute scene like

these showing us that these

795

:

people have not flown on.

796

:

One of them's taking pictures of

the flight at, it's really cute.

797

:

But as a side note, I gotta say.

798

:

I kind of wanna, I wanna, I want

the:

799

:

It must've been pretty awesome

because at that time, I'm imagining

800

:

you can just show up at the airport

like 30 minutes before your flight.

801

:

You don't have to disrobe

to go through security.

802

:

You can smoke, no one's

wearing their pajamas.

803

:

Like people still dressed nice on

planes and apparently you are even

804

:

served a, not a snack, but a meal.

805

:

A full meal on a flight, a short flight.

806

:

Like I looked up, I'm like, well, how

long is a flight from Oklahoma City to dc?

807

:

'cause it can't be very long.

808

:

It's not, it's two hours and 45 minutes.

809

:

She served a meal.

810

:

I'm just saying, okay, so they're in

DC there's clearly something going on.

811

:

Like she and Paul have a thing off

screen, like we're not shown anything.

812

:

We're just like, we infer.

813

:

Something happened

between the two of them.

814

:

And then Drew sees a picture of

the two of them of Paul with his

815

:

girlfriend outside of the hotel in

DC and he was already starting to

816

:

resent, the amount of time that Karen

is spending on all of this union work.

817

:

So this is not helping

like this isn't happening.

818

:

But the way that he finds this out, the

way that he learns this and is so of

819

:

the time, and I love it, nostalgia ness.

820

:

So upon their return, Quincy and his wife

have drew Karen over, , to show them via

821

:

a slideshow, their pictures from the trip.

822

:

And that picture was in there and

Drew's like, uh, what the hell?

823

:

They don't like get in a fight about it.

824

:

He just has his arm around Karen.

825

:

He sees that, and then he

takes his arm off of her.

826

:

So he's and then he sees that and

he's Because he kind of knows her and

827

:

he's already been, like I said, he's,

the resentment has been growing.

828

:

This is not helping.

829

:

Okay.

830

:

So then they get home from this

little picture viewing party,

831

:

, they're pulling up the dirt road.

832

:

tHey see Dolly unloading her brand new

girlfriend's suitcases into the house.

833

:

So now there's, the four of

them are living there, and

834

:

the girlfriend does makeup.

835

:

Like what she does for a living is she

does, when we first meet her, Cher says,

836

:

oh, she is like a beautician or something.

837

:

But as it turns out, she does

makeup at a funeral home.

838

:

There's a really fun scene where she

gives Dier a makeover, but she uses the

839

:

same makeup that she uses on dead people.

840

:

So she looks ghostly.

841

:

it's funny.

842

:

And, there's just some fun scenes

of our trio in the kitchen, just

843

:

kind of acting normal, giving, like

jabbing each other as you would.

844

:

And, so then Drew is finding out

more and more about, you know,

845

:

like the work that Karen is doing.

846

:

He's hearing about that she's now tasked

with obtaining evidence for our, for

847

:

like a New York Times reporter, like

not just a newspaper reporter, but a New

848

:

York Times newspaper reporter combined.

849

:

So this, combined with him just seeing

this picture of his girlfriend and

850

:

someone else, his growing resentment, he

picks up and leaves, after telling her,

851

:

like he packs up, his things moves out.

852

:

They break up So he's

actually quit his job.

853

:

There's a scene of them on the porch.

854

:

He tries to get her to come with him.

855

:

He says that he quit.

856

:

He put in his notice at the plant.

857

:

He wants her to go away with him.

858

:

And she says.

859

:

I can't quit now.

860

:

I mean, she's, but she's really in it.

861

:

And that just shows like how

dedicated she is to this, you know,

862

:

uncovering this conspiracy, that

she thinks the plant is covering up.

863

:

And then there's a beautiful

touching scene on the porch swing

864

:

of their house where, so we find

out that Dolly's girlfriend left

865

:

her to go back to her husband.

866

:

And this kind of spurs jabbing and a

fight, with some mean things said on

867

:

both sides, between Karen and Dolly.

868

:

And then they mend because

they love each other.

869

:

they're very good friends.

870

:

They mend their friendship without

words really, or very little.

871

:

Is said, they're sitting on the swing

together and Meryl is just kind of holding

872

:

Dolly and just the little things they

do like with their hands or like she,

873

:

you know, is like kind of playing with

her hair and it's just really sweet.

874

:

Meryl is singing a lullaby almost to her.

875

:

We get some singing from Meryl on this.

876

:

that, and then we'll get to an end scene

where she sings too, which is a little

877

:

ironic considering now Meryl can sing

and I think she sings in some movies,

878

:

but Cher is known for her singing.

879

:

It's just kind of funny.

880

:

Anyway, so I loved that scene.

881

:

That's maybe my favorite

scene of the movie.

882

:

There's another one with Drew a

little bit later that I love too.

883

:

But that porch swing scene say that a

few times in a row is, it just shows

884

:

us how much they love each other.

885

:

, because Karen's starting to lose all

of her friends at this point at work.

886

:

'cause she's always taking notes about

what's going on and they're all just

887

:

like, we don't want anything to come

out about what the company's like.

888

:

Despite the fact that the company is

putting all their health in danger.

889

:

Their concern is they want a job,

they don't wanna lose their jobs

890

:

and they don't wanna be associated

with someone who's causing trouble

891

:

and trying to uncover some stuff.

892

:

So we see her then setting

off the contamination, a alarm

893

:

two more times after this.

894

:

One of which we know her gloves had a hole

in them, in, in one of those instances.

895

:

So a little fishy, right?

896

:

She's seeing that they're

trying to do away with her.

897

:

So now the company after that, like

this is the third time, so they

898

:

send, the company sends like their

remediation people over to her

899

:

house to do readings and testings

of everything that she's touched.

900

:

They literally remove everything from

the house, like wallpaper and everything.

901

:

and everything that she has

touched has super high readings.

902

:

They continue to insist that

she's doing this to herself.

903

:

That's what their claim is.

904

:

So she's now thinking, oh my God,

you guys are trying to kill me.

905

:

Oh my God, I'm gonna die.

906

:

I have cancer, I'm gonna die.

907

:

and they're insisting that she

did it to herself purposefully

908

:

in order to hurt the company.

909

:

So the scene at their hou at the house,

everybody's like outside and they take

910

:

Dolly, they get a room somewhere for

her to stay because, and then, drew has

911

:

already moved out, but they, because

they're insisting this and they're like,

912

:

well, look, we'll help you out monetarily.

913

:

We'll find you a place to stay.

914

:

She would have to sign a document

saying that she's doing this

915

:

on purpose to hurt the company.

916

:

So obviously she's not gonna do that.

917

:

but she's, she is scared of dying now.

918

:

And there, there's a scene kind of in

between there where uh, we see her and

919

:

Drew make up because he now owns like,

an auto repair and towing company.

920

:

And she's like driving one night and

hits a deer and he comes to tow her.

921

:

And so they've made up, but he

does have his own place now.

922

:

So now that she can't stay at

her own house, so now she goes

923

:

and stays at his place with him.

924

:

And she's very, she's

just, she's super afraid.

925

:

And so he's that's okay, you know?

926

:

No worries.

927

:

He kind of takes charge.

928

:

And he's we'll all fly to Los

Alamos to see, real doctors.

929

:

He says, so again, our trio.

930

:

Goes to Los Alamos, which I think is

New Mexico, and they're in Oklahoma.

931

:

I'm not sure with what

money they're doing this.

932

:

'cause these are people who don't,

um, don't have a lot of excess funds.

933

:

So I'm not sure how they funded this

trip, but we see them all kind of get

934

:

some testing done at this hospital.

935

:

Drew and Dolly are, we learn at

permissible, so to speak levels while

936

:

Karen on the other hand does, she does

have it in her lungs and at very high

937

:

levels, but they try to convince her

like they, they can't really pinpoint.

938

:

They're like, well, it could be 300%

up or down, such and such number.

939

:

And she's like, uh, what?

940

:

You know, like, that's not helpful.

941

:

And so she is not convinced by

these doctors, because they're

942

:

like, no, but it's okay.

943

:

It's still an acceptable

level of radiation.

944

:

She doesn't believe them.

945

:

And now she's like even more convinced.

946

:

To move forward with her reporter

and gathering of the evidence that,

947

:

that's needed for this article to,

to uncover the truth of this plant.

948

:

So now we're at essentially the final

scene of the movie, which the entirety

949

:

of it, it's a beautiful, it's beau

like it's a beautiful, the way that

950

:

it's shot and the entirety of it has

the backdrop of Meryl Streep singing

951

:

Amazing Grace, like a rendition of it.

952

:

It's not like the standard version.

953

:

So with that backdrop, we see her

leaving, , like a union gathering at a

954

:

cafe or something in town with folders.

955

:

Like she's got like an arm full of

folders that we can assume are, is

956

:

the evidence because she's leaving

that meeting to go meet with the

957

:

reporter who flew in from New York.

958

:

We see her driving and a car

very closely following her.

959

:

the headlights are so bright that

we see her really struggling to see.

960

:

She's blinded by the headlights

of the car behind her.

961

:

And then we cut to her car has

crashed and she's dead inside.

962

:

And then we get the film epilogue

that reads The precise circumstances

963

:

of Karen's death are unknown.

964

:

It is also not known whether

she had any documents with her.

965

:

None were found An autopsy revealed a

high level of the tranquilizer, methyl

966

:

and some alcohol in her bloodstream.

967

:

Oklahoma police ruled her

death, a single car accident.

968

:

A year later, the plant shut down.

969

:

So that's the movie Silkwood.

970

:

Now there's a lot of stuff

that I was reading for trivia.

971

:

I.

972

:

but good movie.

973

:

Highly recommend.

974

:

So, like I said, this is

based on a true story.

975

:

In 1979, the jury rendered a verdict

of $10.5 million in damages to

976

:

be paid to the Silkwood estate.

977

:

Essentially, her kids, which was the

largest amount of damages ever awarded

978

:

for that kind of case at the time, but

like a myriad of legal motions and appeals

979

:

stretched that case into the eighties.

980

:

The Circuit Court of appeals eventually

overturned to the punitive damages

981

:

portion of the district court verdict.

982

:

But on further appeal, in January

of 84, the US Supreme Court in a

983

:

five to four decision, reversed the

circuit court and reinstated the

984

:

jury's findings of punitive damages.

985

:

Ugh, lots of back of

ugh, what a nightmare.

986

:

The silk would've estate eventually

settled for 1.3 million, even

987

:

though they're awarded 1.5.

988

:

You know, that I think happens a lot.

989

:

There's, we just wanna be over with this.

990

:

We wanna get something.

991

:

Anyway, Meryl Streep had only

two and a half weeks off between

992

:

completing Sophie's Choice and

starting this picture crazy right now.

993

:

I was talking about, Cher and her look.

994

:

So apparently one of the first big tasks

that Cher had to tackle when she arrived

995

:

was getting like the right look for Dolly.

996

:

What they started out with

was now what we ended up with.

997

:

So in the beginning, according

to Cher Dolly was written as a

998

:

glamorous barrel writer that kind

of makes sense for she, for Cher.

999

:

So they try to screen test with that look.

:

01:03:42,672 --> 01:03:44,992

But Mike Nichols, the

director, did not like it.

:

01:03:45,052 --> 01:03:49,112

He told her to wash her face, wash

her hair, and just let it dry flat to

:

01:03:49,112 --> 01:03:50,872

her head without doing anything to it.

:

01:03:52,132 --> 01:03:57,102

Then he had the costume designer, Ann

Roth began to dress her in dowdy clothes.

:

01:03:58,412 --> 01:04:01,982

working hard to strip every

trace of glamor from the

:

01:04:01,982 --> 01:04:03,942

usually picture perfect star.

:

01:04:05,002 --> 01:04:08,782

She says they put her in awful chinos

and that she had to, and they were

:

01:04:08,892 --> 01:04:13,212

like, and she had, she had to put two

pairs of jockey shorts underneath it

:

01:04:13,212 --> 01:04:14,972

to make her look heavier than she was.

:

01:04:15,352 --> 01:04:17,892

And I remember noting that one,

like, you can kind of see it.

:

01:04:18,962 --> 01:04:19,252

Yeah.

:

01:04:20,802 --> 01:04:24,342

she, with the new look, she stepped

outside of her trailer and Kurt

:

01:04:24,342 --> 01:04:27,221

Russell was there and he said, what

the fuck are you supposed to be?

:

01:04:28,202 --> 01:04:30,542

So she was warned, of course.

:

01:04:30,602 --> 01:04:32,662

So this is the look they're

going with now for Cher.

:

01:04:33,042 --> 01:04:36,602

So she's Mike told her not

to wear any makeup at all.

:

01:04:36,662 --> 01:04:39,522

He said he would do like a

white glove test, make sure

:

01:04:39,522 --> 01:04:40,922

she wasn't wearing any makeup.

:

01:04:41,102 --> 01:04:45,912

And she said one time she cheated by,

curling her eyelashes, but he caught

:

01:04:45,912 --> 01:04:47,752

her and he's don't do it again, my dear.

:

01:04:48,797 --> 01:04:53,677

But so she got the message and yeah, it's

like I said, it's such a stark difference

:

01:04:53,677 --> 01:05:01,447

because Cher is so known for being

so glamorous and that's her trademark

:

01:05:01,507 --> 01:05:02,927

and just kind of being over the top.

:

01:05:03,547 --> 01:05:07,487

So she says quote, I was

looking at the big picture.

:

01:05:07,927 --> 01:05:10,487

Everyone was trying not to laugh

and doing a very good job of it.

:

01:05:10,717 --> 01:05:12,207

Mike was looking really pleased.

:

01:05:12,387 --> 01:05:13,007

That's perfect.

:

01:05:13,147 --> 01:05:14,567

He said, I couldn't believe it.

:

01:05:14,947 --> 01:05:18,567

My first real time in front

of a camera in a big film, and

:

01:05:18,596 --> 01:05:20,846

this was the way I had to look.

:

01:05:22,127 --> 01:05:22,927

I feel you share.

:

01:05:23,407 --> 01:05:25,167

I would've been the exact same way.

:

01:05:25,267 --> 01:05:29,887

I'm not even like over the top glamor, but

if this is, this was like her first big

:

01:05:29,887 --> 01:05:35,437

movie and because she's known for being

so glamorous, but just my introduction

:

01:05:35,457 --> 01:05:39,877

to everyone is no makeup and yucky

Doughty clothes and my hair not done.

:

01:05:39,957 --> 01:05:40,757

I would've been the same way.

:

01:05:40,957 --> 01:05:41,077

Cher.

:

01:05:42,887 --> 01:05:43,177

Yeah.

:

01:05:43,557 --> 01:05:49,427

So then, I also was reading that . Because

this is based on, a true story, you

:

01:05:49,427 --> 01:05:50,747

know, and sometimes movies come out.

:

01:05:50,747 --> 01:05:54,927

People, the real life people

feel certain ways about it.

:

01:05:55,027 --> 01:05:57,727

So Drew Stevens played by our Avery man.

:

01:05:57,727 --> 01:05:59,927

Kurt Russell was Karen's

real life boyfriend.

:

01:06:00,467 --> 01:06:03,167

He apparently loved the

film and felt moved by it.

:

01:06:04,627 --> 01:06:11,207

However, Karen's parents and her former

roommate, uh, whose name is actually

:

01:06:11,207 --> 01:06:15,477

Sherry Ellis um, I real life, they must

have changed names, were unhappy with it.

:

01:06:15,737 --> 01:06:18,917

Her father believed that Karen was

a whole lot smarter than they showed

:

01:06:18,917 --> 01:06:23,557

in the movie, while Ellis objected to

Cher's depiction of Dolly, even though

:

01:06:23,577 --> 01:06:25,677

it wasn't based expressly on her.

:

01:06:25,727 --> 01:06:26,547

that's interesting.

:

01:06:26,587 --> 01:06:31,607

I can see if Cher was not truly the

based on the real roommate, like I

:

01:06:31,607 --> 01:06:35,657

can kind of see that, but I thought

they portrayed Karen really well.

:

01:06:35,767 --> 01:06:37,217

Like very, I.

:

01:06:38,112 --> 01:06:39,802

Multifaceted and pretty smart.

:

01:06:40,002 --> 01:06:40,442

I don't know.

:

01:06:40,822 --> 01:06:43,162

You guys will have to let me know it.

:

01:06:43,471 --> 01:06:43,762

Yeah.

:

01:06:44,772 --> 01:06:51,042

Now there's quite a bit that I was

reading about the cast, like our trio, but

:

01:06:51,042 --> 01:06:53,882

especially Cher and Me, Cher and Meryl.

:

01:06:54,221 --> 01:06:58,602

So they both stated in interviews

that they were secretly nervous about

:

01:06:58,602 --> 01:07:04,402

performing together on stream, on

screen that, but they did become really

:

01:07:04,402 --> 01:07:07,082

close friends and remain friends today.

:

01:07:07,552 --> 01:07:10,362

They would both appear in the

Fairley Brothers comedy stuck

:

01:07:10,362 --> 01:07:14,312

on you, coincidentally both

portraying themselves in the film.

:

01:07:15,172 --> 01:07:17,592

But originally Cher said

she was so nervous about.

:

01:07:18,592 --> 01:07:20,272

Meeting Meryl Streep for the first time.

:

01:07:20,857 --> 01:07:23,357

she was quoted saying, I thought

it was going to be like having

:

01:07:23,377 --> 01:07:24,596

an audience with the Pope.

:

01:07:25,067 --> 01:07:27,967

However, Streep,

immediately put her at ease.

:

01:07:28,467 --> 01:07:30,917

like hugging, like threw her

arms around her, hugged her,

:

01:07:31,617 --> 01:07:35,317

and she said she was just, she's

all communication and warmth and

:

01:07:35,317 --> 01:07:36,677

friendship with a great sense of humor.

:

01:07:36,817 --> 01:07:42,107

So I, that was lovely to hear,

that they got along so well.

:

01:07:42,137 --> 01:07:46,667

They were kind of both nervous about

working with the other, and then they

:

01:07:46,777 --> 01:07:49,987

developed this friendship, which we

will talk about here in a second too.

:

01:07:50,527 --> 01:07:57,957

but they, since they both received Oscar

nams for this film, then in:

:

01:07:57,957 --> 01:08:02,277

were both nominated again, but in, the

same category for best leading actress.

:

01:08:02,297 --> 01:08:03,677

So they were competing against each other.

:

01:08:05,362 --> 01:08:11,022

For Moonstruck and Ironweed, Cher

One and Streep was the first to leap

:

01:08:11,022 --> 01:08:14,102

to her feet in gleeful applause as

the audience gave her a standing

:

01:08:14,342 --> 01:08:16,341

ovation in her acceptance speech.

:

01:08:17,422 --> 01:08:20,542

Cher singled out Mary

Louise Streep for thanks.

:

01:08:23,322 --> 01:08:25,822

So Meryl is just a

nickname for Mary Louis.

:

01:08:26,142 --> 01:08:28,182

I didn't realize that until reading this.

:

01:08:28,761 --> 01:08:29,392

Sweet right.

:

01:08:29,442 --> 01:08:33,072

so Nora Efron also witnessed the

friendship between those two and said

:

01:08:33,072 --> 01:08:37,912

that it really helped create a fun

mood on the set because the subject

:

01:08:37,912 --> 01:08:39,591

matter of this film was so serious.

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01:08:40,322 --> 01:08:44,402

They would do like shticks voices,

fake jokes or fake fights and jokes.

:

01:08:44,782 --> 01:08:47,402

And I apparently they

were just really funny.

:

01:08:47,822 --> 01:08:52,362

and Efron said, I can't overestimate

how that friendship made it possible

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01:08:52,362 --> 01:08:55,082

for shared not to be wildly nervous.

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01:08:55,662 --> 01:08:57,841

And it brought out a

wonderful performance.

:

01:09:00,017 --> 01:09:01,827

Yeah, her being put at ease.

:

01:09:02,657 --> 01:09:07,647

They apparently, like during the downtime

of the filming, were inseparable.

:

01:09:07,647 --> 01:09:12,247

Friends, I guess they hung out, you know,

after work or whatever, hung whatever

:

01:09:12,247 --> 01:09:13,767

their version of after work drinks are.

:

01:09:14,027 --> 01:09:19,497

But she, they said, Meryl said,

hung out and drank plum wine.

:

01:09:20,216 --> 01:09:20,297

Ew.

:

01:09:20,547 --> 01:09:21,176

After work.

:

01:09:21,227 --> 01:09:22,267

that was her exact quote.

:

01:09:22,346 --> 01:09:22,987

I thought that was cute.

:

01:09:23,357 --> 01:09:26,487

that was from a Vanity

Fair article in:

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01:09:27,386 --> 01:09:29,127

She says, Cher was really fun.

:

01:09:29,327 --> 01:09:35,727

I was smitten by her openness, both as an

actress and as a person for a showgirl.

:

01:09:35,756 --> 01:09:38,127

There's not a phony bone in her body.

:

01:09:39,096 --> 01:09:39,737

I love that.

:

01:09:40,096 --> 01:09:45,417

I love hearing like tidbits about super

famous people, especially iconic people

:

01:09:45,527 --> 01:09:51,057

like Cher and Meryl Streep, that they

seem, they're just like real people.

:

01:09:51,256 --> 01:09:51,817

I love that.

:

01:09:52,557 --> 01:09:55,687

And then Cher told Joan

Rivers on the Tonight Show.

:

01:09:56,812 --> 01:09:59,502

That she was shocked when she

was approached by Mike Nichols.

:

01:09:59,502 --> 01:10:00,222

I think this is hilarious.

:

01:10:00,962 --> 01:10:05,422

, She was approached by Mike Nichols to

act alongside this legend, Meryl Streep,

:

01:10:05,722 --> 01:10:07,862

and this was only her second movie ever.

:

01:10:08,942 --> 01:10:12,482

She said, , you want me to start

out going, you want me to start

:

01:10:12,582 --> 01:10:15,522

out going up against Meryl Streep?

:

01:10:15,682 --> 01:10:18,962

Shouldn't I start smaller, like

with Suzanne Summers or something?

:

01:10:19,012 --> 01:10:22,852

I mean, nothing against su I don't think

that's like a jab at Suzanne Summers.

:

01:10:22,852 --> 01:10:26,772

But just like the fact that Meryl

Streep is like, had already just won two

:

01:10:26,872 --> 01:10:28,652

Oscars, and this is like living legend.

:

01:10:30,037 --> 01:10:35,869

Anyway, they both also, I'm not forgetting

about our, Kurt, Meryl and Cher got along

:

01:10:35,899 --> 01:10:41,029

well with Kurt Russell, and I think this

is interesting the way, so Cher described

:

01:10:41,219 --> 01:10:48,119

working with Kurt like a bossy, Bri big,

like a bossy big brother that she adored.

:

01:10:48,889 --> 01:10:52,939

Russell said that working with Streep

was one of the highlights of his career.

:

01:10:53,599 --> 01:10:56,539

She gives so much in a scene that

it's hard to keep up with her.

:

01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:58,299

The big brother comment.

:

01:10:58,318 --> 01:11:01,699

The only reason I thought that was

strange is because Kurt was the youngest

:

01:11:01,699 --> 01:11:04,779

of them and I think Cher was the oldest,

but I think I get what she's saying.

:

01:11:04,818 --> 01:11:08,309

I think she's just oh, my big

brother, that's kind of bossy.

:

01:11:08,429 --> 01:11:09,229

But I love him anyway.

:

01:11:09,229 --> 01:11:11,879

Like that kind of a relationship, so.

:

01:11:13,459 --> 01:11:17,099

This all comes out very clearly

in their performances of

:

01:11:17,099 --> 01:11:18,259

the trio as they call them.

:

01:11:18,568 --> 01:11:20,649

It's, I can't give them enough credit.

:

01:11:20,789 --> 01:11:23,489

The scenes that they're in, you just,

you can't keep your eyes off of them.

:

01:11:25,589 --> 01:11:26,689

, in terms of settings.

:

01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:31,489

So set in Oklahoma, that's where

the actual real life plutonium plant

:

01:11:31,549 --> 01:11:33,009

and events of the movie take place.

:

01:11:34,189 --> 01:11:38,139

But the Oklahoma governor was like,

can you please film somewhere else?

:

01:11:38,219 --> 01:11:39,459

I really don't want you to film this here.

:

01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:43,179

. So they shot it in Texas

and New Mexico instead.

:

01:11:46,329 --> 01:11:50,939

Now this the death scene that I talked

about and like kind of the epilogue

:

01:11:51,149 --> 01:11:53,859

title or the epilogue text that comes on.

:

01:11:55,929 --> 01:12:00,489

It could, I can see how that could

be like a little bit confusing.

:

01:12:00,489 --> 01:12:01,169

And here's why.

:

01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:06,779

When the film was in post-production,

Mike Nichols and editor Sam Osteen, they

:

01:12:06,799 --> 01:12:10,579

ran into some problems regarding the

way that Karen's death was depicted.

:

01:12:12,099 --> 01:12:16,229

because Kerr McGee, the company for

which Silkwood worked, threatened

:

01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:17,909

legal action against the film.

:

01:12:18,089 --> 01:12:25,029

If anything was portrayed that was not

100% factual, like about the plant parts.

:

01:12:26,519 --> 01:12:27,369

like that story.

:

01:12:27,829 --> 01:12:35,039

So a scene where some minutiae about the

headlights wasn't perfect, it was removed.

:

01:12:36,179 --> 01:12:41,559

So in the final cut, it wasn't as

clear that someone was following her.

:

01:12:42,899 --> 01:12:43,139

Interesting.

:

01:12:43,139 --> 01:12:49,318

Right now this is the only movie where

we'll get some Meryl Streep nudity.

:

01:12:51,799 --> 01:12:56,099

Did you guys know that the one scene

that was particularly difficult for her?

:

01:12:56,339 --> 01:12:56,579

Apparently.

:

01:12:56,679 --> 01:13:00,479

So there's a scene where she

flashes one breast to, a coworker.

:

01:13:00,659 --> 01:13:03,439

So she just kind of, she just

opens her shirt like this.

:

01:13:05,419 --> 01:13:07,184

Must not have been wearing

a bra because it, yeah.

:

01:13:07,204 --> 01:13:09,644

Anyway, it was just like a

cute little thing she did.

:

01:13:11,234 --> 01:13:15,014

so it's very clearly, she

flashes one breast very clearly.

:

01:13:15,324 --> 01:13:19,174

Then there's another scene that it's

in their room, it's a darkened room.

:

01:13:19,314 --> 01:13:25,734

She like gets out of bed and puts her

shirt on and is briefly topless in

:

01:13:25,734 --> 01:13:27,334

the mirror, like her back is to us.

:

01:13:27,394 --> 01:13:29,974

But there's a mirror that

we briefly see her topless.

:

01:13:31,004 --> 01:13:36,074

Every other film that has shown

one of her characters nude has

:

01:13:36,074 --> 01:13:37,434

been performed by a body double.

:

01:13:38,054 --> 01:13:40,104

So she hated the scene.

:

01:13:40,104 --> 01:13:43,864

She hated doing it so much that

she vowed to never do another one.

:

01:13:44,794 --> 01:13:45,084

Yeah.

:

01:13:45,144 --> 01:13:50,254

So she, she says that she's really

sensitive about doing scenes like this.

:

01:13:50,764 --> 01:13:51,854

It's a gripe of hers.

:

01:13:52,424 --> 01:13:56,174

she's like, it's just really bizarre and

horrible thing to do in front of a crew.

:

01:13:56,554 --> 01:13:58,334

So that's me Meryl's take on it.

:

01:13:58,334 --> 01:13:59,054

So Silk wood.

:

01:14:00,034 --> 01:14:00,534

You heard it?

:

01:14:00,774 --> 01:14:02,814

Probably only here because

this movie's so hard to find.

:

01:14:02,834 --> 01:14:07,774

But if you find it, you'll

see Meryl Streep's boobs.

:

01:14:09,914 --> 01:14:13,214

Now there's a bunch of movies.

:

01:14:13,454 --> 01:14:17,484

I guess there's this whole

cycle, of:

:

01:14:17,484 --> 01:14:19,364

atomic bombs and nuclear warfare.

:

01:14:20,244 --> 01:14:24,364

I mean, obviously this was a, anyway,

this was a plutonium plant, but

:

01:14:24,394 --> 01:14:26,724

obviously the Times nuclear warfare.

:

01:14:28,344 --> 01:14:33,244

So those movies, I'm not sure I've

seen, I don't know if I've seen most of

:

01:14:33,244 --> 01:14:36,174

these, but I've heard of them anyway,

and a few of them are pretty famous.

:

01:14:36,193 --> 01:14:43,054

So we have the China syndrome,

Silkwood Testament threads, war

:

01:14:43,054 --> 01:14:47,854

games, the day after the Atomic

Cafe, the Manhattan Project.

:

01:14:48,729 --> 01:14:49,149

Whoops.

:

01:14:49,318 --> 01:14:54,349

Apocalypse Special Bulletin, ground

zero, barefoot Gen Rules of Engagement

:

01:14:54,699 --> 01:15:00,109

when the Wind Blown Dead Man's Letters,

memoirs of a Survival, the Plutonium

:

01:15:00,389 --> 01:15:02,469

Incident, and the Chain Reaction.

:

01:15:02,929 --> 01:15:04,629

That's a lot of movies in that decade.

:

01:15:07,429 --> 01:15:11,699

And so we talked about, Mike

Nichols asking Cher to be in this.

:

01:15:11,999 --> 01:15:17,099

And it was the film that introduced

her as a serious actress and it

:

01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:22,459

led to some pretty big, amazing

movie roles in the eighties.

:

01:15:22,929 --> 01:15:25,199

Mask from:

:

01:15:25,419 --> 01:15:26,359

Oh, I love that movie.

:

01:15:26,379 --> 01:15:27,919

We have Sam Elliot in that too.

:

01:15:28,509 --> 01:15:33,039

Suspect from:

Moonstruck from 1987 as well.

:

01:15:33,039 --> 01:15:35,719

And that was where, yeah, she

won the Oscar for that one.

:

01:15:36,459 --> 01:15:39,039

And the Witches of

Eastwick also from:

:

01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:45,039

I don't think I realized all of those were

from:

:

01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:45,879

That's a possibility.

:

01:15:49,074 --> 01:15:50,564

Love the witches of Eastwick too.

:

01:15:50,894 --> 01:15:51,564

Great movies.

:

01:15:51,924 --> 01:15:55,924

Cher, I kind of forget that she was in

so many movies and that she won an Oscar.

:

01:15:57,524 --> 01:15:58,774

Yeah, Cher's great.

:

01:15:58,824 --> 01:16:03,914

also we have three films that Meryl Streep

and writer, Nora Efron have made together.

:

01:16:04,744 --> 01:16:10,304

This one Heartburn, and

Julie and Julia, and Julia.

:

01:16:10,304 --> 01:16:13,943

And Julia is one where

Nora Ephron directed.

:

01:16:15,934 --> 01:16:19,794

So I usually just revel in

all of the casting what ifs.

:

01:16:19,824 --> 01:16:20,984

I love that juicy kind of stuff.

:

01:16:20,984 --> 01:16:21,984

There was not a ton here.

:

01:16:21,984 --> 01:16:26,734

However, I did find this quite interesting

that Silk would actually started off

:

01:16:27,364 --> 01:16:32,254

nine years prior in development at

Warner Brothers as a possible project

:

01:16:32,434 --> 01:16:38,384

for Jane Fonda Warner's dropped out when

Producer Buzz Hirsch was subpoenaed.

:

01:16:40,024 --> 01:16:43,404

By an Oklahoma City judge to disclose

the film's research documents.

:

01:16:44,184 --> 01:16:48,894

Eventually the appeals court

does rule in their favor.

:

01:16:49,114 --> 01:16:54,614

And so then a, b, c motion pictures

started to revamp it as we now see it.

:

01:16:55,274 --> 01:17:00,424

so Dolly, I was reading that

Lily Tomlin auditioned for her.

:

01:17:01,144 --> 01:17:02,144

I could see that actually.

:

01:17:02,154 --> 01:17:02,904

She's really good.

:

01:17:03,324 --> 01:17:05,904

but that's really it for casting what ifs.

:

01:17:06,693 --> 01:17:11,894

And then if anybody is interested in this

kind of stuff, there was a book, written,

:

01:17:12,814 --> 01:17:16,014

:

:

01:17:16,554 --> 01:17:20,874

And then in addition to this movie,

Silkwood, there's a documentary

:

01:17:20,874 --> 01:17:23,034

series called His History's Mysteries.

:

01:17:23,614 --> 01:17:24,714

That's a fun name.

:

01:17:25,654 --> 01:17:29,594

, In:

it and it, the episode was called

:

01:17:30,034 --> 01:17:31,954

Contaminated, the Karen Silkwood Story.

:

01:17:33,504 --> 01:17:37,164

And then, like I mentioned, the China

syndrome from:

:

01:17:37,943 --> 01:17:42,204

, it was about reporters of another nuclear

power plant incident, coverup conspiracy.

:

01:17:42,304 --> 01:17:43,124

So very similar.

:

01:17:43,704 --> 01:17:47,364

And that one actually did have Jane

Fonda in it, as well as Michael Douglas,

:

01:17:47,984 --> 01:17:50,264

who I love also, Jane's great too.

:

01:17:50,804 --> 01:17:55,644

and then as I'm talking about this, if

there was any other movies, more modern

:

01:17:55,644 --> 01:18:03,204

movies that maybe kind of seems ly

like Silkwood, I'm wondering what you,

:

01:18:03,204 --> 01:18:04,364

what are in your thoughts right now?

:

01:18:05,273 --> 01:18:06,544

Aaron Brockovich, anyone?

:

01:18:07,144 --> 01:18:08,394

A lot of parallels there, right?

:

01:18:09,484 --> 01:18:13,184

And then there's a lot of other

movies that have these vibes

:

01:18:13,364 --> 01:18:15,224

as well that I don't know.

:

01:18:15,304 --> 01:18:16,184

I like this kind of thing.

:

01:18:16,204 --> 01:18:19,504

So I'm sure you guys have seen most

of these, but other movies about like

:

01:18:19,504 --> 01:18:23,943

whistleblower, corporate coverup,

labor union conspiracies based on true

:

01:18:23,943 --> 01:18:25,264

stories, like all that kind of stuff.

:

01:18:25,924 --> 01:18:27,594

We have Norma Ray.

:

01:18:29,849 --> 01:18:38,129

North country, dark waters, milk,

the Pentagon Papers, JFK, Nixon, the

:

01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:44,519

Post, all the president's, men, a

matter of sex, and even Cerco, kind

:

01:18:44,519 --> 01:18:45,999

of all kind of having a similar vibe.

:

01:18:47,739 --> 01:18:52,779

So one last little tidbit that

I think is wild in a bad way.

:

01:18:53,959 --> 01:18:55,019

ugh, corporate greed.

:

01:18:55,059 --> 01:18:55,818

I can't stand it.

:

01:18:55,818 --> 01:19:02,019

So anyway, apparently Karen

Silkwoods grave still emits enough

:

01:19:02,019 --> 01:19:07,809

radiation to set the Geiger counter

clicking her grave from:

:

01:19:07,949 --> 01:19:12,049

She died in:

six feet under in a casket.

:

01:19:13,379 --> 01:19:14,529

Isn't that crazy you guys?

:

01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:17,639

I cannot wait to hear.

:

01:19:18,059 --> 01:19:20,359

who of you have you seen Silkwood?

:

01:19:21,159 --> 01:19:22,818

Had you even heard of this story before?

:

01:19:23,979 --> 01:19:24,898

Please let me know.

:

01:19:25,784 --> 01:19:27,544

I definitely recommend you watch it.

:

01:19:27,734 --> 01:19:32,104

Even , if it's likely to be like a huge

pain in your ass to get your hands on a

:

01:19:32,104 --> 01:19:35,074

copy, hey, use that library of your folks.

:

01:19:35,254 --> 01:19:36,554

That's how I watched it.

:

01:19:37,604 --> 01:19:42,193

While I loved the seventies of it all

and all of the wonderful chemistry among

:

01:19:42,334 --> 01:19:47,834

our main trio of Kurt, Marilyn Scher,

I don't want anywhere near a plutonium

:

01:19:47,834 --> 01:19:51,834

factory in Oklahoma, so I will gladly

return to the present day reality.

:

01:19:52,844 --> 01:19:56,074

Until next time, be kind, rewind.

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