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30th Jan 2026

Pretty in Pink | S2E24

Today we’re heading to 1986 and revisiting Pretty in Pink , the John Hughes’ class-conscious teen romance that gave us unforgettable fashion, an iconic soundtrack, and one of the most debated love triangles of the decade…depending on if you’re team Blane or team Duckie.

My guest today will sound very familiar if you listen to the Rocky series podcast, One More Round - Kyle Pederson.

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Speaker:

Katie (2): Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and

welcome back to Retro Made.

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Today we're gonna head back to

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This is John Hughes class

Conscious Teen Romance that gave us

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unforgettable fashion, so many blazers.

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An iconic soundtrack and one of the most

debated love triangles of the decade.

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So much so that he made another movie

the next year to make it right, depending

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on if you're Team Blaine or Team Ducky.

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Joining me today is Kyle Peterson.

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We were going to have his teenage

daughter as a special guest to

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give us a perspective of how

high school works nowadays.

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But she did watch the movie and

I think she has notes for us.

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Kyle, welcome back to Retro

Made for our John Hughes season.

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I think this is the second

movie you've joined me on,

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Kyle: That's right.

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Yes.

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I was here for Beethoven I

think last year sometime.

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Katie (2): seems like forever ago.

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Yeah.

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kyle (2): It does seem like a while

ago, but I guess I must have done okay

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Katie (2): Of course.

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And you're one of my regular podcast

buddies over on one more round,

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the Rocky Series podcast, right?

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Kyle: yeah, that's where I'm

in more in my element here.

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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Kyle: a little bit, this is foreign

to me, but it's good to have

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some, some practice to talk about

something that isn't rocky related.

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Katie (2): It's very different from Rocky.

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Definitely.

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Yes.

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But in the eighties.

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So, if

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you are new to the show, welcome.

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We're covering John Hughes movies

this season in order to set the

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stage for that movie discussion.

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What we do here is some pop culture trivia

from the year, that movie was released.

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So let's spin the retro made wheel

for the time capsule from:

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Kyle: Ooh, I love me some trivia.

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Let's do this.

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Katie (2): Now we did already cover 1986

in the Ferris Bueller's Day off episode.

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So if we come to a category where we've

already covered, we'll just spin again.

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Okay.

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kyle (2): Okay.

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I'm a little worried because I was only

two when this in:

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with the pop culture, but you know,

hopefully I can get a few, right.

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Katie (2): I mean, I'm five here,

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but I think also I'm the youngest

child, so that helps me know

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things earlier than my time.

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But we shall see.

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We shall see.

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I'm gonna spin on your behalf,

Kyle, see what category we come to.

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Okay.

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Oh, we have pages of the past and I

don't think we covered that already.

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It's books and magazines.

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Okay.

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You might know this one.

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A huge hit in the 1980s, this popular book

series featured a young girl named Nancy,

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who solved mysteries

with her best friends.

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kyle (2): Yes.

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My, my sister read a lot of these.

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Nancy Drew, of course.

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Yeah.

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Katie (2): You know it's funny,

I am very aware of these.

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I never read those,

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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There was Nancy Drew and then there was

like a male equivalent to something boys.

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I

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Katie (2): The Hardy Boys.

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kyle (2): Boys.

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That's right.

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Katie (2): I think that was, Yeah.

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I've heard of that.

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I wonder if that was older,

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kyle (2): I feel like they were, I, as

a kid, they were like, hand in hand.

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I think my sister may have

read both, but I think she was

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more of a reader than I was.

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Katie (2): Oh, okay.

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kyle (2): she really

liked Nancy Drew though.

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I totally remember that.

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Katie (2): Very good.

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See, you knew one.

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Ooh.

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In a similar vein, I

loved , this book series.

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This book series written by Beverly

Cleary continued to capture the hearts of

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readers with the adventures of a certain

l and her sibling bees in the:

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What was the name of this

girl in the book series?

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kyle (2): God, that,

that sounds so familiar.

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But I just, I don't know.

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I, I know.

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As soon as you say it,

I'm be like, oh, yeah.

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Katie (2): Are you familiar with

the Beverly Clery books though?

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Do you know what I'm

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referring to?

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kyle (2): no, But the Beas

thing, I was like that.

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That really rings a bell.

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Katie (2): I'm curious if

your sister read these too.

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'cause it was kind of the same, you know,

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not, not a mystery series,

but in the same timeframe.

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The answer is Ramona

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kyle (2): Oh,

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Katie (2): the girls.

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Yeah, So it's Ramona Quimbee and

her sibling bees in the NA:

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All right, let's spin you a new category.

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Let's see here.

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Fad.

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Flashback,

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okay.

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This is fair game.

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In 1986, this electronic toy

sensation captured the attention

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of children everywhere.

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It involved placing colored pegs into

a board to create patterns, and was

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marketed as a way to stimulate creativity.

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What is it?

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kyle (2): it is.

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Would it be the light bright, I

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Katie (2): It is the light.

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Bright,

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kyle (2): We had a light bright.

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Again, my sister had a light

bright, but I also liked it too.

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Katie (2): Super fun.

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And you know what, I actually

bought one like several years ago.

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For nostalgic purposes.

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I don't know.

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I think my niece used it once.

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But it's like much smaller.

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A more compact

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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We are now in the phase

of millennial nostalgia.

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Like millennials are now

in the nostalgia age.

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Like in your thirties and forties

you start, you, you actually

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have some memories in the bank.

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You easily remember things

from 20, 30 years ago now.

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So then you start getting

nostalgic about stuff where

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Katie (2): Great

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kyle (2): it's hard to get nostalgic

in your twenties 'cause it's like

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everything was so recent, right.

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Katie (2): Good.

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That's a really good point.

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You gotta be old before

you can get nostalgic.

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Okay.

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Let's see here.

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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This specific hairdo reached

massive popularity in:

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the style was voluminous with

a tease top and wild appearance

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often associated with rock stars.

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What was this iconic hairstyle called?

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It was typically for men

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kyle (2): I

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Katie (2): party in the front.

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kyle (2): Oh, on the mullet.

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The mullet, I'm sorry.

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Yes.

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Katie (2): Yeah.

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kyle (2): That, that was like, that made

its way into the early nineties, I feel.

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I feel like we were still dealing

with the mullet at that time.

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Uh, yeah.

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Well, God, I, that is one thing.

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I hope Neva comes back.

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Katie (2): it did come back It has,

I've seen it's everything is like

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in a 30, 35 year cycle it seems.

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kyle (2): was there a mullet back

in like the, the, because if you,

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if you go 30 years back from the

eighties was the mullets ever

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popular prior to the eighties?

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I don't know.

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Or is that like the birth of the mullet

and then now it's gonna be this thing

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that haunts us every few decades?

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Katie (2): I think that was the

birth of the mullet, because prior

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to that long hair on men was,

it was like hippie type hair.

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It wasn't like, like everyone had short

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shortcuts.

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kyle (2): I think you say yes and no.

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Like in the fifties and st like 20th

century, yet 19th century men, like

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you could have longer hair as a men.

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Like you see pictures of men.

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I think it's because necessity.

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I think it was harder to

get haircut back then.

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Katie (2): Good.

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That's a good point.

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Like it was scraggly

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and

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kyle (2): Like you see pictures

of you know, like Civil War

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generals or people like that.

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They had much longer hair.

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Not like your hair, but

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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I know

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what you

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mean.

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kyle (2): like down here or something.

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But yeah, like definitely like the fifties

was super clean cut or even the, like

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the sixties prior to the hippie era.

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And even then it's like, I feel

like just a little bit of a side,

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but I feel like the sixties will

be characterized by hippie stuff.

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But there were still a lot

of clean cut people back

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): you know?

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So,

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Katie (2): Yeah, it was, I think it

like kind of overtook, like the hippie

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movement seems like such a big part

of culture, but I would imagine if

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you just asked the average person,

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you know, in Wisconsin, you know,

were you like, you know what I mean?

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They probably weren't partaking in that.

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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Like a lot of people criticize the

boomers for being so conservative

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and they say, Hey, look like you,

you are the hippie generation and

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now you're conservative like this.

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But I think in actuality, a lot of

them have been conservative the whole

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Katie (2): Right, right.

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kyle (2): But, but I'd say though,

the seventies, I would say law

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people did give way to longer hair.

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Like hair covering your ears was like.

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Mandatory if you were a younger person.

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Katie (2): All Sylvester

Sloan in the seventies

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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Katie (2): to bring it back.

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Alright, let's do another category

and then we'll get into the movie.

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You're doing very well considering

that you were so young.

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Prime time, rewind.

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This is TV shows.

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kyle (2): All right.

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I think I could do okay

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Katie (2): Yeah, is pretty easy.

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I mean, I think you'll

definitely get some of them.

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Okay.

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Number one, show any guesses

before I give you clues.

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1986.

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kyle (2): Oh shit.

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1986, the number one show.

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I don't know what would

be number one in 86.

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Katie (2): I'll give you clues.

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I just wanted to see.

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Sometimes

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people are like, oh,

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kyle (2): hard.

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It's, I can't because I, I see a lot

of these shows through reruns in the

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nineties, but you know, I wouldn't have

known if they were number one or not.

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Katie (2): I only do

because I do the show.

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kyle (2): Yeah,

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Katie (2): So the, the number one

is an affluent man with a fondness

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for patterned knitwear, dispensed

life lessons with humor while his

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household remained remarkably educated.

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What was the show?

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kyle (2): I feel like I should know this.

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Katie (2): I'm purposely being a little

cryptic because otherwise they're so easy.

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kyle (2): Could you say it again?

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Katie (2): An affluent man with a

fondness for patterned knitwear,

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the sweaters, he had a, he had a

certain sweater, swag dispensed

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life lessons with humor while his

household remained remarkably educated.

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kyle (2): God, I don't know.

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I feel like I'm gonna

kick myself over this.

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Katie (2): The Cosby Show,

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kyle (2): God fuck.

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I was, I was thinking the Cosby

Show and I, for some reason I

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didn't, I wasn't confident in that.

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Damnit, I should have gone with my gut.

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Katie (2): You should have.

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But yeah,

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man, I,

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kyle (2): educated mean?

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'cause they're black.

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Katie, is that what that means?

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Because they're,

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Katie (2): they they, the show really

revolved a lot around Hillman and like,

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then there was the spinoff that that

Denise went to d what was it called?

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Another, oh my god, A different world.

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But

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like the, like the whole family

went to these prestigious,

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historically black schools.

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I mean, Hillman was I think that was

fictitious, but it was meant to be

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like it anyway, you know, they're all

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doctors and lawyers, very

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kyle (2): Yes.

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Yeah, they were like upper crust for sure.

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Katie (2): Speaking of hippies,

a former flower child, and her

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husband never expected their

offspring to idolize briefcases

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business deals and or Reaganomics.

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What sitcom documented their struggles?

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kyle (2): Oh my God.

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Katie (2): It's very early eighties.

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It lasted a long time, but I think it

started pretty early in the eighties.

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Michael J.

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kyle (2): Oh, family ties.

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Katie (2): Alex p Keaton.

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Yeah.

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kyle (2): I never watched

family ties to be, to be honest.

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I just know he was on that show.

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Katie (2): You've not seen any episodes of

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kyle (2): I, I think that, not really.

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No.

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I think I probably have you

know, channel surfing come

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): it, but I

never got into that show.

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Katie (2): You know, I think I am

aware of it and have seen a lot of it,

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but I say never, like it wasn't one

of my re watchable for some reason.

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Again, I think maybe because it

started so early and I was kind of

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more into the late, late eighties when

I got more TV viewership preferences.

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kyle (2): It is funny, I was talking

to someone at work the other day

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while like older shows and I feel

like there were shows as a kid

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I wanted to like, but couldn't,

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I remember seeing like the beginning

of Mash and I'm like, these show,

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these helicopters and stuff.

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I'm like, oh, this looks cool.

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And then I was like, what

the hell is this show?

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Why is this guy in a dress?

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What is happening?

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I think I love that show now, but

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Katie (2): similar.

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That always came because

it was adult oriented.

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I

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feel like a lot of like dads are,

like, our friends' dads would watch

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that show and whenever it came on the

theme song makes me like homesick.

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For some reason.

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A few

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theme songs

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kyle (2): I liked it that

that intro was awesome

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Katie (2): Yeah.

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kyle (2): Like it made me wanna watch that

show and then I was like, once the actual

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show came on, it was a different story.

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Katie (2): I've never seen an episode,

so I think I should dive into it one

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of these days and, and binge mash.

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kyle (2): Mash is a good example

of it's of modern times kind of

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obscuring the historical aspect.

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'cause mash is supposed to be 1950s

Korean or, but like the hairstyles

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and stuff were all like seventies.

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Like you have these like army people

from the fifties with like hair covering

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their ears and like longer hair.

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It's, yeah.

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Katie (2): in the fifties?

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kyle (2): Korean War, so

it'd be like 50 to 53.

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Katie (2): Oh my God.

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I don't know why I didn't realize

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kyle (2): I think, well someone at

work thought it was Vietnam war.

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'cause like Vietnam War and like the

Huey Helicopter kind of synonymous.

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I don't think the helicopter in

Mash was a Huey, but still you don't

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think of helicopters much with Korea,

but you think of helicopters with

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Vietnam like their, you know, staple.

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But yeah, it was supposed to be the

fifties and no one looked like it.

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They looked like it was the seventies.

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Katie (2): Because it started in the

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seventies Pro,

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right?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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kyle (2): So it's like,

yeah, seventies and eighties.

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So I get why you don't wanna make

it look like the fifties, but

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it is kind of odd to watch it.

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Katie (2): I didn't even know that.

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Thanks for the information, Kyle.

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kyle (2): I

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gotta ruin my keep somehow.

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Katie (2): This one.

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I gotta keep you around.

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This one I'll just give

you a hint at the front.

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It is a nighttime, a primetime soap.

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Right?

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One of those, that was

very present in the,

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especially the early native sore

greed, deception, and sibling rivalries

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ran as deep as the oil wells that

fueled this southern empire named

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the nighttime soap that thrived

on backstabbing and betrayals.

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I've never seen it, but it's big.

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It's,

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kyle (2): I dunno, I'm not a soap guy.

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I could name like Days of our Lives or.

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Katie (2): that's a daytime soap.

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That's a daytime

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kyle (2): but I don't

know, like nighttime soaps.

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Katie (2): You'll, I think you'll know it.

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Dallas,

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kyle (2): Oh,

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Katie (2): of this at

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kyle (2): I have heard of Dallas,

but I've never watched Dallas before.

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I,

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Katie (2): Me neither.

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kyle (2): you know, actually Dallas

came to mind when you were saying number

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one show, because I remember seeing

like this, sometimes I've watched these

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videos and it'll be like these, this bar

chart that's like changes over time and

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things are constantly moving and it'll

be like number one shows at the time.

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It'll be like from the seventies till

now and you'll see shows kind of come and

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): And I remember seeing

Dallas was kind of up there, I

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don't know if it was number one, but

it was like it was in the running

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Katie (2): Yes.

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kyle (2): Say the top five or 10

or whatever and, but I was like,

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I don't know what Dallas is.

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If you asked me what Dallas

is, I'd be like, Hmm.

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one of those seventies

shows, or 80 shows, I

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Katie (2): It was a huge thing

probably for our parents' age

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like it was in newspapers.

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You know, when, back in the day when

they could do cliffhangers and you'd

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have to literally wait a week to see the

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next episode, and it

was like, who shot Jr.

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That was a big thing in

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kyle (2): Yes.

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I, I know of that phrase, like,

I've heard people talk about that.

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I was talking to my wife yesterday

actually, about how actually I was

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talking to a coworker about this.

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I was talking to my wife, how I was

talking to a coworker where it was like,

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it was the same mash conversation, but

we were talking about how streaming is

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kinda ruined this, where it's like with

TV it was like you kind of just had to

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watch the shows when they were on, and

then you had to wait till next week.

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So you kind of had

something to look forward

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): Like we were talking about

how like Thursday was a good TV night.

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Katie (2): Totally.

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kyle (2): night was like solid

T like you look, Thursday was

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almost as good as a Friday.

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Like it was like really solid.

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The week was almost done.

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You had solid shows on, you had

something to look forward to.

412

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You could be like a

cliffhanger to look forward to.

413

:

And you get this like weird instant

gratification of streaming where

414

:

you can just binge watch the shit

outta something and then it's over

415

:

and it's not as good that way.

416

:

Katie (2): Yeah, it's like anticlimactic.

417

:

Yeah, I agree.

418

:

But it's weird because some shows

are starting to do that on streaming,

419

:

they're starting to make you wait until

like next week before you can see the

420

:

next episode.

421

:

Like they've already recorded it.

422

:

So it's a little bit different,

but so they're kind of coming

423

:

back around to that in order to

make you keep your subscription

424

:

kyle (2): yes.

425

:

They seem to come out in chunks.

426

:

Stranger Things did that recently where

it was like, I think three chunks.

427

:

It was like early December,

Christmas Eve, and then the

428

:

last episode was New Year's Eve,

429

:

Katie (2): Okay.

430

:

kyle (2): and I think L is Blind kinda

comes out and four or five episodes.

431

:

That's like my guilty pleasure

trashy reality show with my wife.

432

:

Katie (2): so funny.

433

:

A lot of my friends watch that and

I, it, the premise sounds wild, but

434

:

kyle (2): Last series

was in Denver too, so I

435

:

Katie (2): Was it?

436

:

Oh my God.

437

:

Okay.

438

:

I, I should watch it at some point.

439

:

I feel like I used to watch Trash

TV when it was like Jenny Jones and

440

:

Ricky Lake and Maury Povich, like

441

:

after school.

442

:

Those that, that I was all in

on that, but now I don't know.

443

:

There's something that I'm like,

I don't partake in any of the

444

:

house vibes or, or any of those,

445

:

like love island, those.

446

:

kyle (2): I don't have much patience

for Housewives because I find them so

447

:

unrelatable, like their concerns and

their fights and stuff is I just, it,

448

:

it sickens me, but with Love is Blind.

449

:

It's like weird.

450

:

'cause you're trying to make these

commitments to potentially get married

451

:

to someone you really hardly know.

452

:

Then you have these people, they

start living together and there's

453

:

like this conflict and friction

and they fight and it is a little

454

:

relatable, the fights they have.

455

:

And so if you watch Leva is Blind

with a partner, you could kind of like

456

:

do color commentary on the fights.

457

:

Oh man, he shouldn't have said that.

458

:

Or oh, I see where they're coming from,

or I don't see where they're coming from.

459

:

Or that's what I find

interesting about that show.

460

:

Katie (2): I can totally see that.

461

:

I might have to give it a

shot and I'll let you know.

462

:

But back to 86 though, this one, I

don't know if you'll know it or not,

463

:

A quiet town, a sharp mind, and an

ever-growing list of suspicious deaths.

464

:

Who knew being a novelist

could be so dangerous?

465

:

kyle (2): Go, God, no idea.

466

:

I'm really shitting the

bed on the TV stuff here.

467

:

Katie (2): No, no, no, no.

468

:

You're not.

469

:

My mom loved the show.

470

:

I feel like a lot of moms liked it.

471

:

Angela Lansbury, has that given you any

472

:

kyle (2): Oh, I know that name, but I

couldn't, I didn't know anything about it.

473

:

Katie (2): murder?

474

:

She wrote

475

:

kyle (2): Oh God.

476

:

Murder she wrote.

477

:

Katie (2): the theme song

with her typewriter and

478

:

kyle (2): Yeah, yeah.

479

:

Yeah.

480

:

I feel like that was like, even my

grandma would've really liked that

481

:

Katie (2): mm-hmm.

482

:

Yeah.

483

:

kyle (2): like, I, Matt

Locke too, I guess.

484

:

Katie (2): Yeah.

485

:

Yeah, that does seem

like a Grandma Michelle.

486

:

kyle (2): like gra on The Simpsons,

grandpa Simpson in like, all the people

487

:

in the home really loved Matt Locke.

488

:

Katie (2): you know, I never

have seen any episodes of The

489

:

kyle (2): What were you

allowed to watch it or you

490

:

Katie (2): Yeah.

491

:

I'm sure.

492

:

I, I don't know

493

:

why it just didn't

494

:

kyle (2): because I feel, when I was

growing up, it was like there were the,

495

:

it seems like it was like almost half

and half like of kids who were, and were

496

:

not allowed to watch The Simpsons, so

497

:

Katie (2): Okay.

498

:

kyle (2): it's like, I didn't know.

499

:

Maybe you were one of those

families or it's like mom,

500

:

Katie (2): I doubt that was The case.

501

:

kyle (2): but

502

:

Katie (2): I, yeah, I was

watching morgue, Povich.

503

:

I don't know.

504

:

Like they, yeah.

505

:

I don't know.

506

:

It just didn't draw me, I guess.

507

:

kyle (2): Maury's awesome though.

508

:

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

509

:

kyle (2): Like you are the father.

510

:

You're not the father.

511

:

Katie (2): I mean, it's like not

quite Jerry Springer, but it's

512

:

right

513

:

kyle (2): a little freak show esque.

514

:

There was some stuff on there

that was kind of exploitative.

515

:

Like they had these like kids that were

horrifically burned that were on there.

516

:

Like little kids.

517

:

Katie (2): Oh, wow.

518

:

kyle (2): And I'm like, yeah, I

don't like, why is this happening?

519

:

Or they'd be like, they'd have

all these like hot chicks on.

520

:

It's like, which ones are actually dudes?

521

:

And so,

522

:

Katie (2): Yeah, I, the wildest

things on those shows, I loved it.

523

:

Oh, the early that, that's the

nineties though, I feel like.

524

:

But the last one for 86,

Kyle, this, I don't know.

525

:

The show might still be on, to be honest.

526

:

I don't

527

:

know.

528

:

This long running Sunday ritual

promised in-depth investigations, hard

529

:

hitting interviews, and a soundtrack

that ticked down to the truth.

530

:

kyle (2): I think it's

still on 60 minutes.

531

:

Katie (2): Yeah,

532

:

kyle (2): I love, I loved 60 Minutes.

533

:

Like there it was like I remember

watching at my grandparents' place

534

:

and yeah, like 60 minutes was great.

535

:

And then you had Andy Rooney's thing

at the end where he'd have all his

536

:

like weird thoughts on stuff, like

why did they have stickers on apples?

537

:

Katie (2): That's so good and random.

538

:

I love it.

539

:

Thank you for playing

540

:

the time capsule with retro Made

541

:

kyle (2): my pleasure.

542

:

Katie (2): Alright, Kyle, shall

we get into Pretty in Pink?

543

:

kyle (2): Let's do this.

544

:

Katie (2): February 28th, 1986, PG 13.

545

:

I assume this is the

first time you've seen it

546

:

kyle (2): Yes.

547

:

Katie (2): and your, your wife, is

this her first time seeing it too?

548

:

kyle (2): No, she'd seen

it a while ago though.

549

:

So she kind of like.

550

:

Didn't fully remember it, but

she did have some familiarity.

551

:

Katie (2): I thought I had seen this and

it was always one of the ones I wasn't

552

:

as drawn to of the Hughes universe.

553

:

I guess I really liked some of the

other ones better and so none of it

554

:

seemed super familiar and I always

conflated it with 16 candles because

555

:

Molly Ringwald iss in that too.

556

:

But another question because

we'll get into some comparisons

557

:

with this movie, as I alluded to.

558

:

Earlier, in the opening that there

was another movie the next year

559

:

that is basically the same movie.

560

:

Have you seen some kind of Wonderful,

561

:

kyle (2): Oh, I haven't,

562

:

Katie (2): okay, no worries.

563

:

I'll keep those comparisons brief.

564

:

kyle (2): In my mind, or I

know Molly Ringold from the

565

:

most is the Breakfast Club,

566

:

Katie (2): Same.

567

:

kyle (2): which is, you

know, the year before this.

568

:

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

569

:

kyle (2): And it was weird because she's

like the popular girl in the breakfast

570

:

club and it's definitely not in this film.

571

:

Katie (2): Same note, Kyle.

572

:

It's like literally the opposite.

573

:

Same note.

574

:

Well, so where I was going with this,

some kind of wonderful, and it'll be

575

:

very clear that I think some kind of

wonderful spoiler, it's, I think of far

576

:

superior film and I think that IMDB.

577

:

The rating shows that most

people believe that too.

578

:

So, pretty And Pink has a 6.7

579

:

and some kind of Wonderful, has a 7.0

580

:

and we just covered some kind of

wonderful in the last episode.

581

:

So check that episode out and so then we

can do a compare and contrast this movie.

582

:

So while John Hughes wrote it,

Howard Deutch directed it, and

583

:

this was actually his directorial

debut, and he also did some kind of

584

:

wonderful, which is essentially the,

the redo of this movie because we'll

585

:

get into the ending is different

586

:

than what

587

:

they

588

:

kyle (2): wanna watch that movie now.

589

:

Katie (2): You should watch it.

590

:

I'm curious what you think.

591

:

'Cause it's like gender

reversal of this movie

592

:

kyle (2): Just hold on a couple hours.

593

:

I'll come back and then we will,

594

:

Katie (2): Sounds good.

595

:

Sounds good.

596

:

So Howard Deutsch did both movies.

597

:

He also did The Great Outdoors,

which is also a John Hughes movie.

598

:

And also Grumpier Old Men.

599

:

That's who

600

:

kyle (2): not grumpy old men, but just

601

:

Katie (2): No.

602

:

Right.

603

:

Yes.

604

:

Grumpier.

605

:

Yeah.

606

:

kyle (2): Yeah.

607

:

I really liked grumpy old men

608

:

Katie (2): I feel like I liked it too.

609

:

Yeah,

610

:

kyle (2): which is weird 'cause

I was like this young, young

611

:

teenager and I'm like, why do I

like this story about like old guys?

612

:

Katie (2): exactly.

613

:

I don't know either.

614

:

kyle (2): I've been an old man

inside my whole life and I'm

615

:

just kind of growing into it now.

616

:

Like I love, I love

that I'm in my forties.

617

:

I'm like, this kicks ass,

like I feel like more myself.

618

:

Katie (2): I I feel like that too.

619

:

I've always been a grumpy old lady.

620

:

So John Hughes wrote this and he

was unhappy with the ending of it.

621

:

And he wanted Andy and Ducky like to

be together in the end, but they did a

622

:

screening of this and test audiences.

623

:

Didn't like that.

624

:

That, yeah, that that she ended up

with Ducky, like the best friend.

625

:

So they re-shot the ending so that Blaine,

626

:

kyle (2): Yeah.

627

:

Katie (2): she got Blaine in the end.

628

:

Yeah.

629

:

Mm-hmm.

630

:

kyle (2): shocked.

631

:

I was shocked because like fairly early

on, I'm like, this is, I just out loud

632

:

said, this is what's gonna happen,

633

:

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

634

:

kyle (2): that she's gotta get

dropped by Blaine and she's

635

:

gonna realize he was a jerk.

636

:

And then she's gonna duck.

637

:

He's gonna go to prom with her

and there's gonna be a spark

638

:

and they'll end up together.

639

:

It seems like a, I can't list examples,

but I feel like it's a fairly common trope

640

:

Katie (2): Of course.

641

:

Yep.

642

:

kyle (2): that that's gonna happen.

643

:

And then when that didn't

happen, I was like, aghast.

644

:

I was like, really?

645

:

She feels like very quick

to forgive Blaine too.

646

:

Like there, she kind of yelled at

him and he was just like, eh, like he

647

:

didn't really have much of a response.

648

:

He, his little apology thing in the end

wasn't much it was, it felt very rushed.

649

:

Like Brittany, like my wife and I, and

even my daughter thought the same thing.

650

:

Like my daughter's comment was

like, it seems like the ending.

651

:

The ending prom scene, she was

like, that went way too fast.

652

:

Like it felt like they like we're

almost running outta time and

653

:

it's like, okay, we gotta get

through this, this, this, and that.

654

:

And then you

655

:

Katie (2): Well, that's why you're right.

656

:

It did feel right.

657

:

Like you can see where

where it happened too.

658

:

And so when they called back,

Andrew McCarthy had already cut his

659

:

hair for some play he was doing.

660

:

I think so.

661

:

He had a buzz cut.

662

:

So you can tell in the, the latter, like

the ending of the movie, he has a wig on.

663

:

It's

664

:

very obvious.

665

:

kyle (2): I'm actually notoriously

bad for not being able to spot wigs

666

:

and two pays and stuff like that.

667

:

Like I'm very gullible when it

comes to people's hair, I guess.

668

:

Katie (2): I guess, I think I kind

of knew that, so I was like looking

669

:

for it, but it's very clear whoa,

that's not his hair from before.

670

:

Like it looks completely different.

671

:

But yeah, like of course

Stuckey saves the day, you know?

672

:

And he gives her his blessing though.

673

:

Like this is all happening.

674

:

Blaine tells Andy that he loves

her, like this is all happening

675

:

right in front of Ducky.

676

:

And I'm like, rude.

677

:

kyle (2): Yes.

678

:

I thought that too, but I, I know

guys could be like that though.

679

:

Katie (2): No, for her, I'm saying,

I think Andy was being rude.

680

:

Let I don't know.

681

:

I felt like

682

:

it, that whole circumstance, like

she could have said, oh, it's just,

683

:

excuse me, lemme go talk to him.

684

:

But of course Ducky who's been

in love with her his whole life

685

:

recognizes that this is what she wants.

686

:

kyle (2): That's like true love that

he really wants what's best for her,

687

:

even if it comes at his own expense.

688

:

Like he falls on his

689

:

Katie (2): exactly.

690

:

kyle (2): and then he gets this he

gets the consolation hot chick though.

691

:

Like this, this hot chick is

like, like this chick who's

692

:

like way out of his league just,

just comes onto him immediately.

693

:

Like there's like just outta nowhere.

694

:

She doesn't have a date, I guess,

which seems like not believable.

695

:

She says like, oh, hey, I don't

know you, but I'm into you

696

:

and now I'm your girlfriend.

697

:

So it's like, okay, we're

telling the audience now.

698

:

Ducky, ducky was ducky is the Jesus of

this moment, and although he's, he's

699

:

kind of crucified, you know, he comes

back to life and everything's all good.

700

:

And this is like, the way doing

it is he gets, he gets some

701

:

pussy at the end, basically.

702

:

Katie (2): Exactly, because that

situation, you, they had to do that,

703

:

I feel like, because otherwise it

would be like, that actually happening

704

:

to Ducky would be so hurtful.

705

:

kyle (2): Yeah.

706

:

He's Just ET Malone.

707

:

Fuck

708

:

Katie (2): And not uncomfortable.

709

:

So then, yeah, the con, you're

right, the constellation.

710

:

Now, did you recognize

who that actress was?

711

:

kyle (2): Yes and no.

712

:

So I, when I saw her and I'm like,

damn, like she looks familiar, but

713

:

I had to look her up to, to see what

she was on, and I'm like, oh, okay.

714

:

I don't, I didn't actually watch any,

like she was on Buffy the Vampire Slayer

715

:

Katie (2): the movie, not the TV show.

716

:

Yeah.

717

:

I loved that movie.

718

:

kyle (2): Then what other thing,

what other show was she in?

719

:

I can't,

720

:

Katie (2): She was so, she was

also in Ferris Bueller's Day

721

:

kyle (2): that's right.

722

:

Yeah, yeah,

723

:

Katie (2): But yeah.

724

:

And then similar, I guess he looks at the

camera, ducky looks at the camera before

725

:

he goes to her, like, all off your puer.

726

:

Did you notice that?

727

:

kyle (2): Yeah, yeah, yeah.

728

:

Yeah.

729

:

That whole ending seems

very disappointing.

730

:

Katie (2): So, Molly Ringwald kind

of wanted the, the ending that we got

731

:

and as did audiences apparently, but

John Hughes really, really hated that.

732

:

He didn't want that to be the case.

733

:

And so therefore he made some kind

of wonderful, where, guess what?

734

:

The best friends get together in

735

:

kyle (2): Yeah.

736

:

Which is it's interesting.

737

:

I wonder if John Hughes himself

has been in the friend zone before.

738

:

You know what I mean?

739

:

Like wonder if Molly ring wall's

never been in the friend zone.

740

:

Because, because as soon as Ducky, as soon

as like I saw Ducky in the interactions,

741

:

I'm like, oh, this dude is deep.

742

:

He's deep in that friend zone

and that's not a fun place to be.

743

:

And I was like, I don't know

if I've ever, I think I've been

744

:

kind of friend zoned before.

745

:

I have friend zoned people, but

it's just it sucks when you like

746

:

someone and they don't like you

747

:

Katie (2): Well, this is so eighties

now that I, so a lot of eighties movies,

748

:

John Hughes included, are this way.

749

:

It's like the, it's like they're

neighbors and they grew up

750

:

playing together as children, like they've

knew, known each other their whole lives.

751

:

So this some kind of wonderful,

also in Teen Wolf, this happens.

752

:

Did you ever see?

753

:

Yeah.

754

:

So it's very, very eighties

755

:

kyle (2): yeah.

756

:

It's almost kind of like they see

you as a brother or something like

757

:

that and not a love interest, and

you have to somehow like escape.

758

:

Something has to happen to shake things

up, to change the perspective or else

759

:

you're never getting outta that friend

760

:

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

761

:

Agreed.

762

:

In case people haven't seen this,

I feel like I saw it, but then I

763

:

was like, have I seen this movie?

764

:

Pretty in Pink Falls.

765

:

Andy, who's played by Molly Ringwald

a creative working class, high

766

:

schooler, navigating love class

divide, which is huge in Hughes movies.

767

:

kyle (2): huge.

768

:

Katie (2): Yeah.

769

:

And social pressure.

770

:

When she starts dating rich, awkward

blame as prom approaches, Andy is

771

:

forced to choose between fitting

in, following her heart, and staying

772

:

true to herself while her best friend

Duckie lurks loudly on the sidelines.

773

:

kyle (2): Oh, I, I found I found a lot

of dynamics of this movie really strange.

774

:

I found Molly, I found

Andy's situation weird.

775

:

Like it was like single dad,

you don't see single dad a lot.

776

:

Like single mom is kind

of the thing, right?

777

:

Because I think in real life

there's way more single moms out

778

:

there than there are single dads.

779

:

Like it's usually dad that

splits if we're gonna be honest.

780

:

And I found the dad character really odd.

781

:

Katie (2): Harry Deed Stanton

782

:

kyle (2): Yeah, I feel like he was weird.

783

:

Like he, he's way too nice to

be in the situation he's in.

784

:

Like you think the unemployed,

alcoholic, heartbroken dad would not

785

:

be so kind and emotionally supportive.

786

:

Like you think he'd be like angry

all the time and like disillusioned.

787

:

But he seems like, this

leading heart nice dude.

788

:

And I, I didn't really buy that.

789

:

Katie (2): Interesting.

790

:

I, I think it happened quick.

791

:

I think when we first meet him,

he's more what you described.

792

:

kyle (2): That's what I, yeah.

793

:

As soon as I saw him and he is like,

she has to wake her hungover dad up

794

:

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

795

:

kyle (2): like she's kind of

in this pseudo caregiver role

796

:

Katie (2): very much so

797

:

and

798

:

very clearly.

799

:

This is this has been

going on for a while,

800

:

kyle (2): Yeah.

801

:

And I thought maybe your

mom died or something.

802

:

Katie (2): That's what you assume

whenever there's a single dad,

803

:

it's usually that the mom died.

804

:

kyle (2): Yeah, because mom I don't

if, if are moms who split, but I

805

:

feel like that's not, I feel like

a lot of moms would never do that.

806

:

Like they, they feel a greater sense

of responsibility and it's usually

807

:

the dad, like the man who splits

808

:

Katie (2): Yes.

809

:

But I.

810

:

think it helped from, it helped give

his character the right perspective

811

:

to kind of give advice and be

helpful because he's, his heart was

812

:

broken, so he kind of understands.

813

:

So I think we're meant to see him kind of

grow as a character, like kind of rise to

814

:

the occasion to be there for, for Andy.

815

:

But yeah, it was kind of quick.

816

:

kyle (2): You don't, you don't

see that huge arc though.

817

:

He seems like he's pretty

chill from the beginning.

818

:

Katie (2): Yeah.

819

:

Now, are you familiar with

him, with Harry Dean Stanton?

820

:

I.

821

:

kyle (2): I've seen him around

I don't know, is a person or

822

:

is like his characters he's

823

:

Katie (2): As an actor, like

824

:

kyle (2): No, I don't, I

don't know anything about him.

825

:

I looked him up on Wikipedia real quick.

826

:

Katie (2): well, he, the reason I

ask is 'cause he's been in other

827

:

movies, he played the dad in red Dawn,

828

:

kyle (2): Yeah.

829

:

Katie (2): Jed and Matt Matt's dad,

Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen.

830

:

He has over 200 acting credits.

831

:

So he's one of those guys.

832

:

He's in a ton of stuff.

833

:

And

834

:

I thought

835

:

kyle (2): a homeless guy or like a Dr.

836

:

Like he has that look to him where I'm

like, I've seen him as like a bum like

837

:

a bunch of times or something like that

in a bunch of films where I'm like, I

838

:

just can't quite put my finger on it.

839

:

Katie (2): Didn't you think he looked

kind of old to be playing her dad

840

:

in

841

:

kyle (2): I looked his age up because

you know, like the, this thing

842

:

where it's like people looked older

back then, so I'm like, is this guy

843

:

my age and just looks way older?

844

:

But he's not,

845

:

Katie (2): Same.

846

:

I had the exact same thing co.

847

:

kyle (2): he's 60 years old in that movie.

848

:

Katie (2): He is,

849

:

which

850

:

kyle (2): he's the same age where

he is roughly the, he's like a year

851

:

different between my grandma and I.

852

:

Right.

853

:

Like

854

:

Katie (2): Oh wow.

855

:

kyle (2): yeah he mean

my grandma's 98 now,

856

:

like, but she would've been 16

in:

857

:

So it's like her and him would be very

similar and I'm like, yeah, he's like

858

:

this 60-year-old guy and Molly Ringwald.

859

:

It's like 17 or 18 in

860

:

Katie (2): 18.

861

:

I think they say.

862

:

kyle (2): Like just barely, sorry.

863

:

I was gonna say barely legal,

but that doesn't sound right.

864

:

Barely an, an adult.

865

:

Katie (2): I mean, she's

still in high school, so Yeah.

866

:

kyle (2): That would be like if

I had a kid now, which I could

867

:

like it's not like it's totally

unreasonable, but it's like, it's weird.

868

:

She's an only child to, you

think would be an only child,

869

:

at least to a 40-year-old dad.

870

:

There's no reference to any siblings.

871

:

So I can't,

872

:

Katie (2): Right.

873

:

kyle (2): if it's not in the film,

I'm assuming it doesn't exist.

874

:

Katie (2): Right

875

:

kyle (2): So it's like that's odd.

876

:

You would think someone of

that age growing up at that

877

:

time would have more kids.

878

:

Katie (2): and have kids younger.

879

:

I thought the same thing.

880

:

I was like, is this a case where

he's actually 40 and he just looked

881

:

kyle (2): Yeah.

882

:

Does she have a bunch of older siblings

who have moved out and are long gone?

883

:

Katie (2): So he's not actually, so

the actor, Harry Dean Stanton was 60

884

:

playing this role, but the clues they

give us in the movie make him 54.

885

:

So he's playing a 54-year-old,

886

:

which is still,

887

:

she talks about when

she was 14, he was 50,

888

:

and then four years later, I think they,

889

:

there was a scene at which they say

that, but that would still make him in

890

:

his like mid, early to mid forties when

he had her, which is totally normal now,

891

:

but in 86.

892

:

Yeah.

893

:

kyle (2): Well, like 14.

894

:

So that'd be like 1972.

895

:

If you were, oh no, wait, if

in:

896

:

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

897

:

kyle (2): So yeah, in the sixties, having

kids at 40 would be like, pretty weird.

898

:

Katie (2): Exactly.

899

:

I, I just noted that I was

like, God is, he just seemed,

900

:

I like him as

901

:

kyle (2): the mom was way younger.

902

:

Katie (2): Could be.

903

:

Mm-hmm.

904

:

kyle (2): cause guys even now, I

think having a, as a woman, having a

905

:

kid at 40 is a little risky, I think

906

:

Katie (2): Well, they

907

:

say geriatric after

35, which is super fun.

908

:

kyle (2): yeah.

909

:

Katie (2): But especially in

more like, if you live in a city,

910

:

you're more likely to wait longer.

911

:

That seems like demographically so I do

see that way more normally now where women

912

:

are having kids in their forties now, but

913

:

back then,

914

:

kyle (2): for sure.

915

:

Because it's like even people getting

married, it's like people aren't getting

916

:

married till their thirties now, and it

used to be like early to mid twenties.

917

:

You got married and then you

had kids that, you know, that

918

:

year or a couple years later.

919

:

Basically what I did, actually,

I'm kind of old school, I guess

920

:

Katie (2): You, you are.

921

:

Yes, you are.

922

:

But that makes you a young cool dad,

923

:

kyle (2): that's how I

924

:

Katie (2): you know?

925

:

Yeah.

926

:

What did you think about, so John Crier

plays Ducky, the best friend in this,

927

:

kyle (2): Yeah.

928

:

Katie (2): he's obviously, we probably

know him from two and a half men, is

929

:

probably where we most know him from, I

don't really know him from anything else,

930

:

aside from this and that.

931

:

kyle (2): Yeah.

932

:

He's very odd character.

933

:

Very bizarre.

934

:

My wife is like, he for sure has a DHD.

935

:

There's no question.

936

:

'cause my wife has really bad A DHD.

937

:

Right.

938

:

And so does my daughter Actually,

my daughter was convinced he

939

:

was actually gay the whole time.

940

:

Katie (2): You know, that's

interesting that you say that.

941

:

Molly Ringwald, that's

what she felt like also

942

:

like that yeah, like she felt like

there's no way that Andy would go

943

:

with Ducky because she feels like

Ducky was a closeted gay person.

944

:

kyle (2): well then that's, that's

maybe why she like preferred

945

:

the, the ending the way it was.

946

:

Maybe

947

:

Katie (2): That is why.

948

:

kyle (2): best friend.

949

:

Okay.

950

:

Yeah.

951

:

That makes more sense than oh, like I

don't like that best friend dynamic of

952

:

turning into a boyfriend or whatever.

953

:

Yeah.

954

:

She like my, my daughter.

955

:

She won't mind me saying this.

956

:

She's like, my daughter's like

pansexual, so she, I think she

957

:

has some, some gayar type of

958

:

Katie (2): That would make sense.

959

:

Yeah.

960

:

kyle (2): Yeah, this guy,

I, I don't, I don't buy it.

961

:

You know, yeah.

962

:

Katie (2): So Anthony Michael

Hall turned this down.

963

:

It's so funny that John Hughes want, so he

wanted Molly Ringwald to also be in some

964

:

kind of wonderful, it's literally the same

965

:

movie.

966

:

And then he also wanted Anthony

Michael Hall to be in this, and he

967

:

already did that was 16 candles.

968

:

It's like, why are you

keep making the same movie?

969

:

Yeah.

970

:

kyle (2): find some directors

just like having the same

971

:

actors over and over again.

972

:

Like Martin Scorsese's like that, like

973

:

Katie (2): But it's like the same movie.

974

:

kyle (2): I know.

975

:

I know.

976

:

Yeah.

977

:

I wonder if it's like he just wants to

like, kind of perfect it or you know,

978

:

you just comfortable in a certain groove

979

:

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

980

:

kyle (2): You know, like

981

:

Katie (2): John Hughes was really

close with Molly Ringwald and Anthony

982

:

Michael Hall for a few years, and then

they both had kind of, famous, like

983

:

breaking up so to speak with John Hughes.

984

:

So I think he holds a grudge but I

did also read that Robert Downey Jr.

985

:

Was almost cast as ducky and

986

:

so Molly Ring.

987

:

Yeah, Molly,

988

:

Molly said that if that had been

the case, it would make sense.

989

:

She would've liked the original ending

that she ended up with her friend.

990

:

Had it been Robert Downey Jr.

991

:

'cause he didn't give

her the brother vibe.

992

:

kyle (2): Yeah, yeah.

993

:

Well that's kinda the thing though,

is he kind of has to have the brother

994

:

vibe, at least at the beginning, to be

that friend zoned kid you grew up with.

995

:

Right.

996

:

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

997

:

kyle (2): My wife and I this morning,

we, we have what we call coffee

998

:

talk, on Sunday we sit down, we have

coffee, we just chat about whatever,

999

:

and we talk about this movie.

:

00:40:22,046 --> 00:40:26,786

It's a podcast prep, and we were both kind

of fascinated by ducky and how you don't

:

00:40:26,876 --> 00:40:31,466

learn much about him, his background,

you just get this one snippet of where

:

00:40:31,466 --> 00:40:33,446

he lives and it's kind of disturbing.

:

00:40:33,776 --> 00:40:36,656

Like he has this mattress on the floor

and it doesn't look like a bedroom.

:

00:40:36,656 --> 00:40:38,876

It looks like, it's like you

see the window to the side, it

:

00:40:38,876 --> 00:40:40,106

looks like a living room window.

:

00:40:40,106 --> 00:40:43,406

You see a chair that looks like a

living room chair, and then you see

:

00:40:43,406 --> 00:40:45,866

like graffiti or something on the wall.

:

00:40:45,866 --> 00:40:47,956

There's a spray painted do

you live in a crack house?

:

00:40:47,956 --> 00:40:50,956

Like, where do you,

like, where do you live?

:

00:40:50,956 --> 00:40:53,986

Like you, you're obviously like in

the same neighborhood as her, right?

:

00:40:53,986 --> 00:40:58,456

Like you're in this rougher neighborhood,

but it's like, what is ducky story?

:

00:40:58,456 --> 00:40:59,746

I wanna know that so bad.

:

00:40:59,746 --> 00:41:02,986

And that's what I kinda like too, like

I like a movie with a bit of mystery

:

00:41:02,986 --> 00:41:06,166

where you could kind of make your own

story about ducky or whatever, but.

:

00:41:07,411 --> 00:41:08,491

Katie (2): That's a really great point.

:

00:41:08,491 --> 00:41:10,621

I kind of noticed that too, and

I was like, is this just supposed

:

00:41:10,621 --> 00:41:13,681

to show us that they, they live

in, like the bad part of town

:

00:41:13,731 --> 00:41:14,151

kyle (2): yeah.

:

00:41:14,181 --> 00:41:17,961

Like I actually, when I first saw the

movie, I wasn't aware that it was like

:

00:41:17,961 --> 00:41:20,001

about class dynamics as much, right.

:

00:41:20,001 --> 00:41:21,651

Because I, I didn't

know anything about it.

:

00:41:22,461 --> 00:41:26,971

And I always, we've talked about this

before it seems like in a lot of these

:

00:41:26,971 --> 00:41:30,991

movies, it shows like the, what, what is

supposed to be like the average American

:

00:41:30,991 --> 00:41:35,941

family way more affluent than what

the average American family really is.

:

00:41:35,951 --> 00:41:36,371

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:41:36,751 --> 00:41:39,121

kyle (2): And so when I saw like

this street cleaner going through

:

00:41:39,121 --> 00:41:43,021

this neighborhood and like this,

the street was all fucked up.

:

00:41:43,021 --> 00:41:45,601

And it's like her house

was like noticeably kind of

:

00:41:45,631 --> 00:41:47,281

old and a little bit dingy.

:

00:41:47,281 --> 00:41:50,641

I was just like, what,

what's happening here?

:

00:41:50,741 --> 00:41:52,871

Katie (2): They're introducing you

to where she lives and who they

:

00:41:53,126 --> 00:41:54,926

kyle (2): yeah, but it's,

it is just, yeah, exactly.

:

00:41:54,926 --> 00:41:58,226

It, it just was not my like,

usually it's like, you see these,

:

00:41:58,226 --> 00:42:00,296

these are way more idyllic scenes.

:

00:42:00,606 --> 00:42:00,826

Katie (2): Oh.

:

00:42:01,026 --> 00:42:03,481

'cause you didn't know, like

you were hit with it, as a

:

00:42:03,481 --> 00:42:03,991

surprise

:

00:42:04,171 --> 00:42:04,981

kyle (2): I was just like, what?

:

00:42:05,011 --> 00:42:06,211

What's happening here?

:

00:42:06,211 --> 00:42:07,411

This is so bizarre.

:

00:42:07,411 --> 00:42:11,191

Like it's not in this movie, it

shows like you either are in like

:

00:42:11,191 --> 00:42:12,961

this scene or an ultra mansion.

:

00:42:13,921 --> 00:42:14,851

Katie (2): There's no in between.

:

00:42:14,851 --> 00:42:17,761

kyle (2): There's no,

yeah, like just typical.

:

00:42:18,571 --> 00:42:19,951

Like her house wasn't even that bad.

:

00:42:19,951 --> 00:42:20,911

It was just really old.

:

00:42:21,361 --> 00:42:22,471

Like it wasn't kept up.

:

00:42:22,471 --> 00:42:25,411

Like that actually could be a really

cool house if it was like maintained

:

00:42:25,586 --> 00:42:26,006

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:42:27,241 --> 00:42:29,071

kyle (2): yeah, it was like

obviously in a neighborhood that

:

00:42:29,071 --> 00:42:31,141

probably was once fairly nice.

:

00:42:32,101 --> 00:42:36,661

And it's supposed to be in Chicago,

but it's in la and this is a weird

:

00:42:36,661 --> 00:42:39,421

thing, but like you could tell it's

in LA 'cause of the streetlight.

:

00:42:39,481 --> 00:42:42,641

There's they must film in like the

same neighborhood in la but there's

:

00:42:42,641 --> 00:42:45,521

like all these movies where the

streetlights are exactly the same.

:

00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:48,581

Like the, like Wayne's World for

example, is supposed to be in Chicago,

:

00:42:48,581 --> 00:42:51,761

but it's also filmed in LA and

it's the same fucking streetlights.

:

00:42:52,901 --> 00:42:56,431

Katie (2): In the, in Andy's

neighborhood or in the, the well to-do

:

00:42:56,686 --> 00:42:58,846

kyle (2): Andy's neighborhood, I think.

:

00:42:59,086 --> 00:43:00,466

I think maybe also the Welted.

:

00:43:00,526 --> 00:43:00,616

I

:

00:43:00,616 --> 00:43:01,006

don't know.

:

00:43:01,006 --> 00:43:02,206

I just remember seeing this streetlight.

:

00:43:02,206 --> 00:43:05,696

I'm like, I, I recognize that

style of streetlight that's this

:

00:43:05,696 --> 00:43:08,606

is a, this is an LA thing because

I've never seen it anywhere else.

:

00:43:09,296 --> 00:43:09,776

Katie (2): You're right.

:

00:43:09,776 --> 00:43:13,826

With most John Hughes movies, it's

set in Chicago, and I noticed that

:

00:43:13,826 --> 00:43:17,606

it said Elgin on the street Sweeper,

which it must be like either a

:

00:43:17,606 --> 00:43:20,336

suburb or a small town near Chicago.

:

00:43:20,426 --> 00:43:25,136

And the only reason I knew it was

in Chicago because I was a big fan

:

00:43:25,136 --> 00:43:27,026

of the show, Roseanne growing up,

:

00:43:27,026 --> 00:43:30,986

and they live in Lanford, which is

supposed to be like, I don't, I don't

:

00:43:30,986 --> 00:43:34,916

know, like some within an

hour or two of Chicago.

:

00:43:35,186 --> 00:43:39,326

And they talk about Elgin Lanford is

a fictitious place, but like they talk

:

00:43:39,326 --> 00:43:41,156

about going to Elgin a lot in that show.

:

00:43:41,666 --> 00:43:41,876

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

00:43:41,891 --> 00:43:45,221

Waynes World's supposed to be in Aurora,

which is an actual Chicago suburb.

:

00:43:45,836 --> 00:43:48,716

But it's like kind of at the

periphery of like greater Chicago.

:

00:43:49,796 --> 00:43:50,906

But yeah, I don't know.

:

00:43:50,911 --> 00:43:52,466

Is Hefr, is John Hughes from there?

:

00:43:52,466 --> 00:43:54,266

Or is like, why does he

like Chicago so much?

:

00:43:54,881 --> 00:43:58,061

No one has like Chicago accents, but,

:

00:43:58,376 --> 00:43:59,096

Katie (2): No

:

00:43:59,141 --> 00:43:59,861

kyle (2): which is fine.

:

00:43:59,861 --> 00:44:02,981

'cause I think with a lot of movies

you don't want people to have like

:

00:44:02,981 --> 00:44:06,431

really regional accents unless it's

like there's exceptions like Goodwill

:

00:44:06,431 --> 00:44:07,421

hunting or something like that.

:

00:44:07,421 --> 00:44:10,301

Or Fargo, where it's

like very much regional.

:

00:44:10,331 --> 00:44:13,881

But I think like the LA accent

other than like the Valley

:

00:44:13,881 --> 00:44:15,801

Girl accent is fairly generic

:

00:44:15,841 --> 00:44:16,261

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:44:16,346 --> 00:44:16,806

Mm-hmm.

:

00:44:17,763 --> 00:44:22,083

What did you think of Iona, the

character Iona played by Annie Potts?

:

00:44:22,193 --> 00:44:25,248

kyle (2): This was the, the, the

friend that worked at the record store

:

00:44:26,088 --> 00:44:28,368

well okay, so she's like,

is she a professional?

:

00:44:28,368 --> 00:44:31,488

Cindy Lauper impersonator, like

she looks like Sidney Lauper

:

00:44:31,863 --> 00:44:33,063

Katie (2): It was of that time.

:

00:44:33,063 --> 00:44:33,843

I, I don't know.

:

00:44:33,843 --> 00:44:34,683

I kind of got a kick out

:

00:44:34,698 --> 00:44:38,218

kyle (2): She really just this

whole movie is quintessentially

:

00:44:38,218 --> 00:44:39,538

eighties and how could it not be?

:

00:44:39,568 --> 00:44:41,188

'cause it's in the middle of the eighties.

:

00:44:41,668 --> 00:44:44,968

But she was like such a

core, I loved that character

:

00:44:45,253 --> 00:44:45,943

Katie (2): Me too.

:

00:44:46,258 --> 00:44:47,008

kyle (2): I loved her.

:

00:44:47,038 --> 00:44:51,298

She was changing her look all the

time, and she was just kind of this

:

00:44:51,298 --> 00:44:54,838

like person who was just kind of

floating around through life, you

:

00:44:54,838 --> 00:44:56,668

know, like she has a record store job.

:

00:44:57,028 --> 00:45:00,298

She lives in this weird

apartment in Chinatown.

:

00:45:00,828 --> 00:45:04,878

She'd have these like bizarre phone

conversations, like yelling stuff out.

:

00:45:04,878 --> 00:45:09,408

Like she's like that quintessentially

quirky friend who's just,

:

00:45:09,408 --> 00:45:10,908

she's just a little bit odd.

:

00:45:11,688 --> 00:45:12,768

And I loved her.

:

00:45:12,828 --> 00:45:14,748

I, I thought she was

such a great character.

:

00:45:15,183 --> 00:45:17,253

Katie (2): She was the

highlight of the movie for me.

:

00:45:17,253 --> 00:45:18,393

I loved her.

:

00:45:18,393 --> 00:45:21,123

This character, I think

I like related to her.

:

00:45:21,123 --> 00:45:21,783

I don't know why.

:

00:45:21,783 --> 00:45:24,993

'cause I'm not, I don't like

spike my hair and I never did.

:

00:45:24,993 --> 00:45:27,113

But based on what they talk

about, she must have been like

:

00:45:27,113 --> 00:45:29,573

in her early or mid thirties.

:

00:45:29,993 --> 00:45:30,473

kyle (2): I think, yeah.

:

00:45:30,503 --> 00:45:34,583

'cause she went to prom in the sixties,

'cause she mentions the sixties and

:

00:45:34,583 --> 00:45:37,853

also like when she wore her prom

dress and then she had her like wig or

:

00:45:38,063 --> 00:45:38,903

Katie (2): Beehive.

:

00:45:38,908 --> 00:45:39,238

Mm-hmm.

:

00:45:39,293 --> 00:45:40,493

kyle (2): like, yeah,

this obvious beehive.

:

00:45:40,493 --> 00:45:46,313

So, you know, I would say:

ish, she would've been in like

:

00:45:46,373 --> 00:45:47,903

her last year of high school.

:

00:45:47,903 --> 00:45:53,363

So that would put her born around

:

:

00:45:53,363 --> 00:45:56,003

So she's probably like

mid thirties, early to mid

:

00:45:56,333 --> 00:45:56,753

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:45:57,548 --> 00:46:02,198

Which, yeah, it's funny 'cause she's

goes after different, like she,

:

00:46:02,363 --> 00:46:04,463

kyle (2): I guess she's not really

single, but sorry, go ahead.

:

00:46:04,688 --> 00:46:07,658

Katie (2): no, she is single, but

she, we see her kind of swap men.

:

00:46:07,748 --> 00:46:11,138

Like she throws one to the curb and she's

got this new guy and I really like him.

:

00:46:11,138 --> 00:46:14,608

And but she was kind of like

the older sister, sort of

:

00:46:14,608 --> 00:46:15,838

to Andy.

:

00:46:16,438 --> 00:46:16,858

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

00:46:17,008 --> 00:46:17,398

Yeah.

:

00:46:17,638 --> 00:46:21,298

Well it's like Andy, she

works at this record store.

:

00:46:21,748 --> 00:46:23,578

She has a car,

:

00:46:24,268 --> 00:46:24,658

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:46:25,198 --> 00:46:27,328

kyle (2): and now it's not the nicest car.

:

00:46:27,358 --> 00:46:29,338

Like it has some dents in

it and stuff like that,

:

00:46:29,428 --> 00:46:30,418

Katie (2): it's really old.

:

00:46:30,748 --> 00:46:32,818

kyle (2): it's not a total

piece of shit either, though.

:

00:46:32,968 --> 00:46:33,088

I

:

00:46:33,328 --> 00:46:34,408

Katie (2): I thought it was kind of cool.

:

00:46:34,438 --> 00:46:36,328

kyle (2): Yeah, it's like a it exactly.

:

00:46:36,898 --> 00:46:40,318

Sorry, it's all over the place, but I,

in my mind I'm always thinking about

:

00:46:40,498 --> 00:46:45,178

like, how real is something, like the

logistics and I'm like, how do they live?

:

00:46:45,328 --> 00:46:47,158

Like her dad doesn't have a job.

:

00:46:48,118 --> 00:46:53,458

Like they, they must be on like food

stamps or like welfare or something.

:

00:46:53,953 --> 00:46:55,093

Katie (2): She mentions,

:

00:46:55,963 --> 00:46:57,673

I think he must work part-time.

:

00:46:57,673 --> 00:46:59,053

She mentioned something about,

:

00:46:59,863 --> 00:47:01,338

do you wanna just work part-time forever?

:

00:47:02,308 --> 00:47:02,968

kyle (2): oh, maybe.

:

00:47:02,968 --> 00:47:03,178

Yeah.

:

00:47:03,208 --> 00:47:05,218

'cause he was like, oh, I got a job.

:

00:47:05,938 --> 00:47:06,358

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:06,508 --> 00:47:09,208

kyle (2): And she's oh,

I'm so proud of you.

:

00:47:09,268 --> 00:47:09,778

And.

:

00:47:10,543 --> 00:47:12,193

Yeah, so maybe he works part-time.

:

00:47:12,223 --> 00:47:14,653

Maybe she helps out with a

bit of a record store money.

:

00:47:15,553 --> 00:47:17,233

But yeah, like she, I don't know.

:

00:47:17,233 --> 00:47:20,893

I find that's like a weird tangent,

but I just, I kept thinking that

:

00:47:20,893 --> 00:47:25,213

when she's working at the record

store and I'm like, maybe it's just

:

00:47:25,213 --> 00:47:26,503

easier to live in the eighties.

:

00:47:26,503 --> 00:47:27,343

You can live off

:

00:47:28,738 --> 00:47:30,178

Katie (2): I think that's partially true.

:

00:47:30,208 --> 00:47:31,948

Yeah, probably partially true.

:

00:47:32,048 --> 00:47:34,538

But we also, we see

that she's very frugal.

:

00:47:34,618 --> 00:47:39,198

She has this like very unique sense

of style, like eclectic but she makes

:

00:47:39,198 --> 00:47:42,678

it, she gets things secondhand and

then she kind of makes things her own,

:

00:47:43,248 --> 00:47:45,798

which she freaking did in 16 candles too.

:

00:47:45,798 --> 00:47:50,448

It's like co again, John Hughes was

like just grabbing ingredients from

:

00:47:50,448 --> 00:47:51,738

movies and putting it together.

:

00:47:52,138 --> 00:47:52,498

But,

:

00:47:52,723 --> 00:47:53,893

kyle (2): if he was poor growing up.

:

00:47:56,038 --> 00:47:57,358

Katie (2): I don't think so.

:

00:47:57,458 --> 00:48:01,868

I feel like I read that he did live

in maybe like a suburb, a similar

:

00:48:01,868 --> 00:48:03,188

suburb of Chicago or something.

:

00:48:03,188 --> 00:48:06,608

And I don't, I, I don't think he

was well off, but I don't know.

:

00:48:06,608 --> 00:48:10,268

He seems really, really focused

on the class divide a lot.

:

00:48:10,313 --> 00:48:12,563

kyle (2): I think that that's

also maybe an eighties thing.

:

00:48:12,583 --> 00:48:13,003

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:48:13,493 --> 00:48:18,803

kyle (2): the materialism of the

eighties was a huge theme in this movie.

:

00:48:19,673 --> 00:48:24,593

And I feel like from my own personal

memory in the nineties, there was

:

00:48:24,593 --> 00:48:27,023

somewhat of a carryover in the nineties

:

00:48:27,158 --> 00:48:27,698

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

00:48:28,283 --> 00:48:30,533

kyle (2): Like where people, I'm not

saying people aren't materialistic

:

00:48:30,533 --> 00:48:34,433

now, but I feel like it's not

as, as bad or not as prevalent.

:

00:48:35,243 --> 00:48:37,703

Katie (2): The average person isn't, yeah,

:

00:48:37,928 --> 00:48:38,558

kyle (2): yeah, yeah.

:

00:48:38,558 --> 00:48:39,068

Exactly.

:

00:48:39,068 --> 00:48:42,278

Like I feel like those, those

bully high school girls.

:

00:48:42,278 --> 00:48:47,048

I'm like, I know you like I, I, I

know versions of you from like my real

:

00:48:47,048 --> 00:48:49,328

life because I, I grew up in a suburb.

:

00:48:50,213 --> 00:48:55,763

That was like generally fairly well off,

but I wasn't like, I feel like I related

:

00:48:55,763 --> 00:48:59,993

to Molly Ringwald character a bit, or she

reminded me of my sister a little bit.

:

00:49:00,868 --> 00:49:01,158

Katie (2): Okay.

:

00:49:01,283 --> 00:49:04,793

kyle (2): I remember my sister

talking about my sister's your age.

:

00:49:04,793 --> 00:49:06,263

So we're pretty close in age.

:

00:49:06,438 --> 00:49:06,858

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:49:07,133 --> 00:49:09,743

kyle (2): talking about you know,

you could really get made fun

:

00:49:09,743 --> 00:49:11,393

of if you had secondhand clothes

:

00:49:11,393 --> 00:49:14,513

or you know, if you had

a unique style, right?

:

00:49:14,513 --> 00:49:20,003

It, it was really about like how

expensive your clothes could be and

:

00:49:20,003 --> 00:49:22,563

like that really cemented your status.

:

00:49:23,893 --> 00:49:28,453

I remember for example, in junior

high, everyone wore Nike shoes.

:

00:49:29,803 --> 00:49:31,483

Everyone like wore Nike, everything.

:

00:49:31,533 --> 00:49:33,483

There's this face, remember

the tracksuit face?

:

00:49:33,483 --> 00:49:34,713

Did you have that in Denver?

:

00:49:35,493 --> 00:49:35,793

Like in

:

00:49:35,883 --> 00:49:38,823

Katie (2): Well, I grew

up in Nebraska, but yeah.

:

00:49:38,883 --> 00:49:44,243

but, and similar, I went to a Catholic

school so there were, and it was a small

:

00:49:44,243 --> 00:49:48,023

town, but four, a small town in Nebraska,

like some well off people and Catholic

:

00:49:48,023 --> 00:49:49,673

schools, so we wore uniforms, but,

:

00:49:50,483 --> 00:49:55,403

so, but like your shoes it's like, the

popular kids, like everybody had the

:

00:49:55,403 --> 00:49:59,933

same shoes just in different colors or

everybody wore the same outfit, just in

:

00:49:59,933 --> 00:50:01,643

different, like different versions of it.

:

00:50:01,673 --> 00:50:06,233

And so if you grow up in a place like that

and you have any actual sense of style and

:

00:50:06,233 --> 00:50:09,383

are unique in any way that is punished.

:

00:50:09,618 --> 00:50:10,253

kyle (2): It is pun.

:

00:50:10,313 --> 00:50:11,393

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

:

00:50:11,393 --> 00:50:14,843

'cause I remember like the shoes

kids wore that were popular when I

:

00:50:14,843 --> 00:50:21,413

was in junior high in like the mid

nineties were like $150 shoes, which

:

00:50:21,413 --> 00:50:23,033

like my family would never buy.

:

00:50:24,293 --> 00:50:26,333

Like I just, that was not in the budget.

:

00:50:26,813 --> 00:50:28,223

And yeah, I totally agree.

:

00:50:28,223 --> 00:50:32,643

If you had your own sense of style and

you were unique, you were a target,

:

00:50:32,703 --> 00:50:35,913

like you were the, you know, the

Japanese, they were saying like, the

:

00:50:35,913 --> 00:50:37,443

nail that sticks out gets hammered.

:

00:50:38,928 --> 00:50:39,738

Katie (2): Ah.

:

00:50:40,503 --> 00:50:40,833

kyle (2): yeah.

:

00:50:40,833 --> 00:50:43,143

And I feel like that part

of, that's human nature.

:

00:50:43,483 --> 00:50:43,903

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:50:44,433 --> 00:50:47,433

kyle (2): Like you're, you know, like

you're still fighting yourself in junior

:

00:50:47,433 --> 00:50:52,053

high and high school and you like, you

have a, an urge to fit in and like that,

:

00:50:53,013 --> 00:50:57,843

I think that remains with you throughout

your life, but it diminishes like I think

:

00:50:57,843 --> 00:51:01,293

with the older you get, like old people

especially, do you just do not give a shit

:

00:51:01,758 --> 00:51:05,268

Katie (2): I don't, I definitely don't

know, but I, I think that's why in

:

00:51:05,268 --> 00:51:10,108

a lot of these movies or TV shows,

it's like you show an adolescent or

:

00:51:10,108 --> 00:51:15,028

teenager that isn't one of those,

you know, in the click people.

:

00:51:15,598 --> 00:51:19,168

And , there's always someone like

the Iona character here, trying to.

:

00:51:20,183 --> 00:51:23,573

Lift up that person and

be like, just, just wait.

:

00:51:23,633 --> 00:51:23,813

'cause

:

00:51:23,813 --> 00:51:26,813

this, this will be rewarded

as it when you're grown up.

:

00:51:27,143 --> 00:51:30,113

Those people will be, has beens

they peaked in high school, but

:

00:51:30,113 --> 00:51:31,433

you, you know what I mean?

:

00:51:31,433 --> 00:51:32,813

So it's, that seems to be the

:

00:51:32,813 --> 00:51:33,173

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

00:51:33,203 --> 00:51:36,323

'cause she's, she's like that, those

people are cool once they're in

:

00:51:36,323 --> 00:51:38,453

their twenties and in their thirties.

:

00:51:38,813 --> 00:51:39,113

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:51:39,413 --> 00:51:39,833

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

00:51:40,283 --> 00:51:40,493

Yeah.

:

00:51:40,493 --> 00:51:44,733

There, there is kind of, so there's

nothing more pathetic than someone who say

:

00:51:44,733 --> 00:51:49,683

is like my age and doesn't stop talking

about what they did in high school.

:

00:51:50,538 --> 00:51:51,663

Katie (2): Do, do you find that

:

00:51:52,023 --> 00:51:53,613

kyle (2): Not a ton in really?

:

00:51:53,613 --> 00:51:54,063

No.

:

00:51:54,183 --> 00:51:58,173

Like I, I see it more in media, but

yeah, occasionally those people, you

:

00:51:58,173 --> 00:52:00,663

could tell, like those people that peaked

in high school or peaked in college

:

00:52:01,593 --> 00:52:04,683

and you know, they're always talking

about, oh, I was like this and I was

:

00:52:04,683 --> 00:52:06,153

like that and I could have done this.

:

00:52:06,153 --> 00:52:07,413

And I'm like, okay.

:

00:52:08,143 --> 00:52:09,013

That's the past.

:

00:52:09,013 --> 00:52:09,823

Where are you now?

:

00:52:09,853 --> 00:52:10,153

Right?

:

00:52:10,258 --> 00:52:10,678

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:52:12,153 --> 00:52:15,743

Well, speaking of the class divide

and the, the Richies, as she

:

00:52:15,743 --> 00:52:19,553

says, James Spader plays Steph,

:

00:52:19,923 --> 00:52:24,403

Who is Blaine's best friend and he's

that typical dick guy that like,

:

00:52:25,498 --> 00:52:25,768

kyle (2): I had a

:

00:52:25,768 --> 00:52:26,038

real

:

00:52:26,173 --> 00:52:27,163

Katie (2): the prototype,

:

00:52:27,418 --> 00:52:27,838

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

00:52:27,838 --> 00:52:31,328

I actually and this is from the

perspective of someone who didn't

:

00:52:31,328 --> 00:52:35,188

see this movie coming out, that

that I had a hard time with James

:

00:52:35,188 --> 00:52:36,508

Spader being this character.

:

00:52:36,538 --> 00:52:37,528

'cause it's James Spader,

:

00:52:38,623 --> 00:52:38,833

Katie (2): you

:

00:52:38,833 --> 00:52:39,013

know

:

00:52:39,058 --> 00:52:40,228

kyle (2): saw this Yeah.

:

00:52:40,498 --> 00:52:41,278

From other stuff.

:

00:52:41,338 --> 00:52:41,668

What's that?

:

00:52:41,668 --> 00:52:44,998

Show these on, I mean,

binge watching this on Yeah.

:

00:52:44,998 --> 00:52:45,658

Blacklist.

:

00:52:46,033 --> 00:52:47,533

Katie (2): I never saw

that, but he's, yeah.

:

00:52:47,563 --> 00:52:48,103

Blacklist.

:

00:52:48,103 --> 00:52:48,373

Robert,

:

00:52:48,418 --> 00:52:49,618

kyle (2): watched that show for a while.

:

00:52:49,618 --> 00:52:49,798

Yeah.

:

00:52:49,798 --> 00:52:50,818

Robert California.

:

00:52:51,418 --> 00:52:52,768

So see him from Blacklist.

:

00:52:52,828 --> 00:52:53,338

Blacklist.

:

00:52:53,368 --> 00:52:56,248

He's kind of like, he's this badass,

but he is also kind of nerdy.

:

00:52:56,893 --> 00:52:57,133

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:52:57,508 --> 00:53:00,178

kyle (2): I, I see him as

this bald, nerdy type of guy.

:

00:53:00,568 --> 00:53:04,678

So when I see him and just his

voice doesn't match the character.

:

00:53:04,678 --> 00:53:07,978

Like he, because he sounds

exactly the same back then

:

00:53:07,978 --> 00:53:09,238

as he does now, more or less.

:

00:53:09,898 --> 00:53:12,388

And he, he's actually was quite

good looking in this film.

:

00:53:12,388 --> 00:53:12,598

I was

:

00:53:12,673 --> 00:53:13,153

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

00:53:13,243 --> 00:53:14,713

Back in the day, James Bader was

:

00:53:14,743 --> 00:53:16,633

like, he he played this character.

:

00:53:16,633 --> 00:53:17,593

That's who he was.

:

00:53:17,713 --> 00:53:21,373

kyle (2): And I was like, but I,

I just because of, because I seen

:

00:53:21,373 --> 00:53:23,353

James Spader as like an older adult.

:

00:53:24,133 --> 00:53:27,673

It was really hard to

like, accept him even as

:

00:53:27,673 --> 00:53:28,483

Katie (2): I can see that.

:

00:53:28,873 --> 00:53:29,203

Yeah,

:

00:53:29,263 --> 00:53:30,043

I can see that.

:

00:53:30,643 --> 00:53:32,413

Didn't you think he did a good job though,

:

00:53:33,313 --> 00:53:34,483

kyle (2): he did.

:

00:53:34,513 --> 00:53:35,293

He did.

:

00:53:35,323 --> 00:53:35,893

Yeah.

:

00:53:36,313 --> 00:53:39,613

I feel like his character, I,

that's a character I also want to

:

00:53:39,613 --> 00:53:44,143

know more about because he's just

like over the top prick, right?

:

00:53:45,313 --> 00:53:48,073

There's no, there's not a

lot of depth to him though.

:

00:53:48,253 --> 00:53:52,723

But you kind of get a little hint at

his house party that he's not happy.

:

00:53:53,038 --> 00:53:53,258

And

:

00:53:53,908 --> 00:53:54,028

Katie (2): I.

:

00:53:54,523 --> 00:53:57,493

kyle (2): also you get a few hints

there, but he has he's like in he's

:

00:53:57,493 --> 00:54:00,993

kind of in his bed and I know that

what's her name that, that the mean

:

00:54:00,993 --> 00:54:04,383

girl that he dates Benny, he's with her.

:

00:54:04,383 --> 00:54:07,803

So he is probably trying to get laid up

there or whatever, but he's just watching.

:

00:54:07,803 --> 00:54:09,183

He doesn't seem happy around her.

:

00:54:09,183 --> 00:54:09,933

Even at prom.

:

00:54:10,803 --> 00:54:11,913

He doesn't seem happy.

:

00:54:12,483 --> 00:54:17,073

He, he seems like a deeply sad person,

which is interesting because like from

:

00:54:17,073 --> 00:54:19,923

the outside he seems to have it all.

:

00:54:19,923 --> 00:54:23,853

Molly Ringold drives by his house

early in the film, or Andy, and she's

:

00:54:23,853 --> 00:54:25,293

I wonder what that's like inside.

:

00:54:26,783 --> 00:54:29,603

They probably didn't even like this

house as much as me, and I don't think

:

00:54:29,603 --> 00:54:31,733

he does because his house is empty.

:

00:54:32,033 --> 00:54:34,763

Like his parents are nowhere to be seen.

:

00:54:35,423 --> 00:54:39,473

I always find it funny these teenagers

have these rager parties and it's like,

:

00:54:39,473 --> 00:54:42,173

I could see, maybe say that your parents

were away in a ski trip or something.

:

00:54:42,173 --> 00:54:43,703

So it's like, let's do this.

:

00:54:44,513 --> 00:54:46,763

But it seems like he's just bored of this.

:

00:54:47,123 --> 00:54:49,823

Like drinking is not a novelty to him.

:

00:54:50,123 --> 00:54:52,883

Having money in cars is

not a novelty to him.

:

00:54:52,913 --> 00:54:57,953

Like he seems like he's an alcoholic

at, at 17 and it's like, mommy and

:

00:54:57,953 --> 00:55:00,563

daddy don't pay attention to you.

:

00:55:00,563 --> 00:55:02,003

And it, it shows right.

:

00:55:03,413 --> 00:55:06,263

He seems like he's a burnout

adult before his time.

:

00:55:06,353 --> 00:55:09,983

Like it's really odd and I'd like

to, I'd like to know more about

:

00:55:09,983 --> 00:55:11,093

him, I wanna know more about him.

:

00:55:11,093 --> 00:55:12,203

I wanna know more about Ducky.

:

00:55:12,203 --> 00:55:15,893

And I realize you can't do that

necessarily in these films because,

:

00:55:16,058 --> 00:55:17,258

Katie (2): It needs to be a series to,

:

00:55:17,258 --> 00:55:17,948

to learn those

:

00:55:17,963 --> 00:55:21,143

kyle (2): would be like a coherent

film, but it's still it is interesting

:

00:55:21,173 --> 00:55:25,213

and that I feel like I, I could maybe

be more interested in that character

:

00:55:25,213 --> 00:55:30,313

if I knew more about him, but he was

just like, yeah, he, he just seemed

:

00:55:30,313 --> 00:55:33,403

like over the top antagonistic.

:

00:55:34,348 --> 00:55:35,338

Katie (2): Good point.

:

00:55:35,428 --> 00:55:38,628

I mean, and that sort of was the

case in the eighties, but this

:

00:55:38,628 --> 00:55:40,428

type of character we see a lot too.

:

00:55:40,428 --> 00:55:44,778

Like he, everybody envys this

person because they have it all, but

:

00:55:44,778 --> 00:55:49,098

deep down they are deeply unhappy

because they've just been fed money.

:

00:55:49,638 --> 00:55:52,848

But, he's deeply lacking

attention and love.

:

00:55:53,513 --> 00:55:55,728

kyle (2): You got everything money

could buy except what it can.

:

00:55:56,508 --> 00:55:56,868

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

00:55:57,048 --> 00:55:57,258

Yeah.

:

00:55:57,258 --> 00:56:00,168

What is, yeah, he's Blaine says

that to her, you can buy everything,

:

00:56:00,168 --> 00:56:01,518

but you couldn't buy her.

:

00:56:01,548 --> 00:56:01,908

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

00:56:01,968 --> 00:56:02,148

Yeah.

:

00:56:02,148 --> 00:56:05,418

Like the, what he, he gets

rejected by this person who's

:

00:56:05,418 --> 00:56:07,038

kind of a nobody in the school.

:

00:56:07,038 --> 00:56:07,338

Right.

:

00:56:08,058 --> 00:56:09,618

And he's bitter about that.

:

00:56:09,618 --> 00:56:13,368

And he is like, he's trying to sabotage

this, his friend's relationship with

:

00:56:13,368 --> 00:56:17,793

her not, and he couches it as oh,

you know, you can't it's bad for you

:

00:56:17,793 --> 00:56:22,503

socially if you're with this person or

just just fuck her and get it over with.

:

00:56:23,043 --> 00:56:26,073

But in actuality, you wanna be with

her, you're not gonna be with her.

:

00:56:26,073 --> 00:56:27,843

So if I can't have her,

no one can have her.

:

00:56:28,353 --> 00:56:28,743

Right.

:

00:56:28,773 --> 00:56:33,073

And it's it's, it's weird that I

would've liked to see maybe him make

:

00:56:33,073 --> 00:56:35,473

further attempts to try and get Andy.

:

00:56:36,033 --> 00:56:38,163

Katie (2): We just, see

the beginning, the part,

:

00:56:38,373 --> 00:56:39,363

kyle (2): a fucking bitch.

:

00:56:39,363 --> 00:56:40,113

You're whatever.

:

00:56:40,113 --> 00:56:40,953

And that's, that's it.

:

00:56:41,373 --> 00:56:43,353

Like he just, he gives up.

:

00:56:43,353 --> 00:56:47,023

But it it would've been interesting

if he was trying to like scheme around

:

00:56:47,023 --> 00:56:49,903

and get her a little bit, but that also

might've been weird in the sense that

:

00:56:50,473 --> 00:56:54,883

she was an unpopular girl, but she, she

gets male attention the entire film.

:

00:56:55,498 --> 00:56:58,698

Katie (2): Well, that is really, I

wanted to get your thoughts on this

:

00:56:58,698 --> 00:57:05,088

because I felt like the true high school

experience wouldn't allow for the dynamic

:

00:57:05,118 --> 00:57:11,173

that is at play here, where both of

the rich guys Blaine, who is Andrew

:

00:57:11,173 --> 00:57:14,788

McCarthy Saint Almost Fire Weekend

at Bernie's, joy Luck Club mannequin.

:

00:57:14,998 --> 00:57:18,438

He, he was kind of a thing and he was

like a brat packer for a while, which I

:

00:57:18,438 --> 00:57:24,248

don't get I don't think he's attractive

at all, but Blaine James Spader as Steph

:

00:57:24,548 --> 00:57:26,858

and the best friend, all three main

:

00:57:26,858 --> 00:57:33,878

characters men are after Andy Molly

Ringwald, who is not a popular girl

:

00:57:33,878 --> 00:57:36,733

and she's not conventionally beautiful.

:

00:57:37,883 --> 00:57:38,963

kyle (2): Oh, I don't know about that.

:

00:57:39,113 --> 00:57:39,353

Okay.

:

00:57:39,353 --> 00:57:39,863

Sorry.

:

00:57:40,283 --> 00:57:41,303

Katie (2): she's not conventional.

:

00:57:41,303 --> 00:57:44,273

Like she's usually the like,

really, you know, it's usually some

:

00:57:44,273 --> 00:57:47,363

like really beautiful long hair,

:

00:57:47,483 --> 00:57:47,813

kyle (2): She,

:

00:57:47,813 --> 00:57:48,923

Katie (2): Perfect body.

:

00:57:48,983 --> 00:57:53,343

kyle (2): She doesn't fit in in terms

of, yeah, her look like she does

:

00:57:53,343 --> 00:57:55,113

not look that eighties actually.

:

00:57:55,353 --> 00:57:58,443

Like she does, she's not keeping

up with the fats in the eighties

:

00:57:58,683 --> 00:58:00,533

and she has these big glasses.

:

00:58:01,263 --> 00:58:04,443

She's the popular girl in the breakfast

club, but she doesn't look that different

:

00:58:04,443 --> 00:58:05,943

in the breakfast club than she does here.

:

00:58:06,723 --> 00:58:08,283

Katie (2): I even brought

it up in the breakfast club.

:

00:58:08,283 --> 00:58:13,203

I, I don't think she looks like

the prototype of the high school.

:

00:58:13,203 --> 00:58:14,433

Pretty popular girl.

:

00:58:14,448 --> 00:58:16,608

kyle (2): Yeah, I think

she's not bad looking though.

:

00:58:16,923 --> 00:58:17,493

Katie (2): No, no.

:

00:58:17,493 --> 00:58:18,183

I, I agree.

:

00:58:18,183 --> 00:58:19,533

I think she's very pretty.

:

00:58:19,803 --> 00:58:22,473

It's just she's not like, you

know, and that's maybe more

:

00:58:22,473 --> 00:58:24,723

interesting, but I just thought in

high school that wouldn't happen.

:

00:58:24,723 --> 00:58:28,623

The, the two popular guys are not

gonna both be after like, some

:

00:58:29,253 --> 00:58:33,018

not popular girl when they have

the other pretty popular girls.

:

00:58:33,438 --> 00:58:34,128

kyle (2): I will say this.

:

00:58:34,128 --> 00:58:38,028

So guys, though, the status, the

social status of your partner is

:

00:58:38,028 --> 00:58:39,738

not as important as it is to women.

:

00:58:41,278 --> 00:58:41,878

Katie (2): High school.

:

00:58:41,878 --> 00:58:44,038

I feel like at least in

this, that we were shown

:

00:58:44,038 --> 00:58:44,278

that it

:

00:58:44,413 --> 00:58:45,643

kyle (2): say, not as important.

:

00:58:45,883 --> 00:58:50,893

I'm not saying it's not important,

but I feel like women value

:

00:58:50,893 --> 00:58:54,193

social status and prestige in

their partner more than men do.

:

00:58:54,793 --> 00:58:57,973

And I think women, they wanna

punch up, they want to be with

:

00:58:57,973 --> 00:59:00,313

someone who has more than them.

:

00:59:00,693 --> 00:59:01,113

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:59:01,183 --> 00:59:02,893

kyle (2): guys typically is the opposite.

:

00:59:02,923 --> 00:59:05,533

Like they don't maybe it's

intimidating or whatever.

:

00:59:05,593 --> 00:59:07,273

They want someone to be a little less.

:

00:59:08,023 --> 00:59:15,283

And now I do think it's a stretch that

maybe they, they all like Andy so much,

:

00:59:15,563 --> 00:59:15,983

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

00:59:16,513 --> 00:59:20,843

kyle (2): but I feel like also you kind

of want what you, you can't have at the

:

00:59:21,068 --> 00:59:21,878

Katie (2): Yeah, for sure.

:

00:59:21,938 --> 00:59:22,358

Yeah.

:

00:59:23,018 --> 00:59:23,378

Yeah.

:

00:59:23,438 --> 00:59:25,028

No, you bring up a a good point.

:

00:59:25,028 --> 00:59:26,648

I think the men like that though.

:

00:59:26,648 --> 00:59:30,878

These, these men that already have

status want like a trophy on their arm.

:

00:59:31,913 --> 00:59:33,533

I don't think she's like a trophy.

:

00:59:33,563 --> 00:59:37,883

kyle (2): I don't think that Steph

would've wanted to be in a relationship,

:

00:59:37,913 --> 00:59:42,233

like what I'll call an open, re

open, not being like polyamorous, but

:

00:59:42,233 --> 00:59:44,573

like open being like socially known.

:

00:59:45,323 --> 00:59:47,183

I think he wanted to sleep with Andy.

:

00:59:47,573 --> 00:59:47,963

Katie (2): yeah.

:

00:59:47,993 --> 00:59:48,353

That's a good

:

00:59:48,683 --> 00:59:51,353

kyle (2): I, I don't think he

wanted Andy to be his girlfriend.

:

00:59:51,953 --> 00:59:54,053

And I think that's another

difference too, right?

:

00:59:54,053 --> 00:59:57,973

Like where it's you know, guys

like that, they're fine to hit it

:

00:59:57,973 --> 01:00:00,343

and quit it and move on, right?

:

01:00:00,343 --> 01:00:02,323

But they're a little more

stingy with commitment.

:

01:00:02,818 --> 01:00:04,418

I think the status and prestige.

:

01:00:04,598 --> 01:00:08,878

He wants people to know that he has

the hot girlfriend, so he'll want like

:

01:00:08,878 --> 01:00:11,278

a shit, I, I forgot her name already.

:

01:00:11,398 --> 01:00:12,598

I keep forgetting Benny.

:

01:00:12,748 --> 01:00:14,338

He wants Benny for show.

:

01:00:14,923 --> 01:00:15,463

Katie (2): Yes.

:

01:00:15,628 --> 01:00:17,758

kyle (2): he actually likes

Benny as a person that much.

:

01:00:17,923 --> 01:00:18,913

Katie (2): No, he doesn't care

:

01:00:18,958 --> 01:00:24,658

kyle (2): irritates him, but she's hot

and she probably, okay, so my daughter

:

01:00:24,658 --> 01:00:25,978

did something that really disturbed me.

:

01:00:26,398 --> 01:00:27,148

She's getting older.

:

01:00:27,148 --> 01:00:31,798

She's only 12, but like she's getting

at that age and she's like, dad, do you

:

01:00:31,798 --> 01:00:33,418

know why those girls are so popular?

:

01:00:34,438 --> 01:00:35,488

like, 'cause they're good looking.

:

01:00:35,638 --> 01:00:36,358

She's like, no.

:

01:00:36,508 --> 01:00:37,378

And then she was like this,

:

01:00:39,328 --> 01:00:40,108

Katie (2): your daughter

:

01:00:40,288 --> 01:00:41,788

kyle (2): I'm like, oh my God.

:

01:00:41,833 --> 01:00:42,053

Katie (2): God,

:

01:00:44,998 --> 01:00:47,128

kyle (2): But that's

probably some truth to that.

:

01:00:47,128 --> 01:00:49,318

Those like Benny probably puts out Right.

:

01:00:49,813 --> 01:00:50,103

Katie (2): yeah.

:

01:00:50,103 --> 01:00:51,628

She certainly, she says this much.

:

01:00:51,748 --> 01:00:54,868

kyle (2): yeah, she definitely,

she puts out, she's hot.

:

01:00:55,078 --> 01:00:58,648

She's, you, you submit your status

by her being your girlfriend.

:

01:00:59,683 --> 01:01:04,093

I presume when he was going after

Andy, Benny was still his girlfriend.

:

01:01:04,903 --> 01:01:07,513

I don't think he was gonna break

up with Benny to be with Andy

:

01:01:07,708 --> 01:01:08,098

Katie (2): yeah.

:

01:01:08,098 --> 01:01:09,328

I think absolutely.

:

01:01:09,388 --> 01:01:09,778

Yeah.

:

01:01:09,838 --> 01:01:09,988

Good

:

01:01:10,033 --> 01:01:12,433

kyle (2): But, you know, he, maybe

he wants to see if the carpet matches

:

01:01:12,433 --> 01:01:14,113

the drapes or something like that.

:

01:01:14,788 --> 01:01:15,928

Katie (2): And in the eighties,

:

01:01:15,928 --> 01:01:18,298

you know, there was,

there was more to see,

:

01:01:19,093 --> 01:01:19,543

kyle (2): Yes.

:

01:01:19,543 --> 01:01:19,813

Yeah.

:

01:01:19,903 --> 01:01:21,703

No, you would've, you

would've known back in the

:

01:01:21,778 --> 01:01:22,558

Katie (2): more carpet.

:

01:01:22,843 --> 01:01:23,353

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

01:01:24,178 --> 01:01:26,928

Katie (2): Now I did find really

interesting though about people who

:

01:01:26,928 --> 01:01:28,608

were potentially gonna play Blaine.

:

01:01:28,638 --> 01:01:30,378

Do you know who Jerry Levine is?

:

01:01:30,993 --> 01:01:31,233

kyle (2): yeah.

:

01:01:31,233 --> 01:01:32,283

I'm bad with names.

:

01:01:32,568 --> 01:01:32,778

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

01:01:32,778 --> 01:01:34,728

No, he, he's, it's a little obscure.

:

01:01:34,788 --> 01:01:37,338

He played styles in Teen Wolf,

:

01:01:38,508 --> 01:01:38,823

kyle (2): Oh, I

:

01:01:38,838 --> 01:01:39,708

Katie (2): the yeah.

:

01:01:39,708 --> 01:01:40,608

You haven't seen that?

:

01:01:41,133 --> 01:01:41,673

kyle (2): No.

:

01:01:42,078 --> 01:01:42,258

Katie (2): Oh,

:

01:01:42,258 --> 01:01:42,948

it's so good.

:

01:01:42,978 --> 01:01:45,048

I mean, it's, it's, it's fun.

:

01:01:45,078 --> 01:01:45,738

It's a fun movie.

:

01:01:45,738 --> 01:01:48,848

Well, at any rate, he was

considered to play Blaine,

:

01:01:49,358 --> 01:01:55,178

which would've been a very different,

he's really loud and confident in

:

01:01:55,178 --> 01:01:59,918

Teen Wolf and Blaine with Andrew

McCarthy is very understated and quiet.

:

01:02:00,353 --> 01:02:03,053

kyle (2): I found Blaine to be

very unsatisfying character.

:

01:02:03,398 --> 01:02:03,878

Katie (2): Same.

:

01:02:03,938 --> 01:02:05,528

I I didn't give a shit about Blaine.

:

01:02:05,723 --> 01:02:08,363

kyle (2): I don't mind him being

the quiet one, because that kind

:

01:02:08,363 --> 01:02:12,833

of does make him like, he's like

the, he's in the popular rich kid

:

01:02:12,833 --> 01:02:16,433

crowd, but he's lower tier, right?

:

01:02:16,508 --> 01:02:19,308

Katie (2): she says he's

not like all of them yeah.

:

01:02:19,413 --> 01:02:19,653

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

01:02:19,653 --> 01:02:23,523

He's supposed to be like more down to

earth or whatever, but I think he's really

:

01:02:23,523 --> 01:02:25,683

lower tier because he's not as confident.

:

01:02:26,253 --> 01:02:26,673

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:02:27,303 --> 01:02:29,103

kyle (2): Like he's, he's soft spoken.

:

01:02:29,103 --> 01:02:32,073

He's, he's kind of more of

a pussy or whatever, right?

:

01:02:32,598 --> 01:02:32,808

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:02:33,603 --> 01:02:36,963

kyle (2): but he does have this quiet

confidence, like he pursues Andy quite

:

01:02:36,963 --> 01:02:41,183

confidently, like was this weird computer

thing, which I thought was odd, but I'm

:

01:02:41,183 --> 01:02:42,713

like, by the way, you're not doing that.

:

01:02:42,713 --> 01:02:45,533

You're not chatting with each other

on those and sending images on

:

01:02:45,533 --> 01:02:46,823

those computers from the eighties.

:

01:02:47,558 --> 01:02:49,538

Katie (2): What kind of chat?

:

01:02:49,538 --> 01:02:52,958

Primitive system, but also

super high tech for the time.

:

01:02:53,018 --> 01:02:53,978

Was that

:

01:02:54,338 --> 01:02:54,673

in the library?

:

01:02:54,983 --> 01:02:56,633

kyle (2): Yeah, it was non-existent.

:

01:02:56,843 --> 01:03:02,483

Like even my, the nineties computers I

was on in school couldn't do that shit.

:

01:03:02,918 --> 01:03:04,898

Katie (2): No, we were playing

Oregon Trail with a disc.

:

01:03:05,048 --> 01:03:05,378

floppy

:

01:03:05,753 --> 01:03:06,353

kyle (2): Exactly.

:

01:03:06,353 --> 01:03:08,243

Your:

:

01:03:08,573 --> 01:03:11,423

Like maybe you could send some text

through the network maybe, but you're

:

01:03:11,423 --> 01:03:15,653

not like showing someone their picture

and then your picture and then doing

:

01:03:15,653 --> 01:03:17,273

some visual effect with the picture.

:

01:03:17,273 --> 01:03:17,933

I'm like, mm-hmm.

:

01:03:18,458 --> 01:03:20,108

Katie (2): It was as

though there was internet

:

01:03:20,168 --> 01:03:21,248

and there was no internet.

:

01:03:21,398 --> 01:03:21,998

What?

:

01:03:22,193 --> 01:03:24,893

kyle (2): like the, the, you could

have had a local area network, but I

:

01:03:24,893 --> 01:03:28,583

don't think that school would've, and

if you did, it'd be a real pain to send

:

01:03:28,583 --> 01:03:31,853

a message to someone without there was

no interface, like it was just this

:

01:03:31,853 --> 01:03:33,883

blank screen with yeah, that was odd.

:

01:03:34,213 --> 01:03:37,123

But yeah, he has this weird,

quiet confidence and then like

:

01:03:37,903 --> 01:03:39,463

he takes her to this party.

:

01:03:40,273 --> 01:03:42,373

Of course it's the house

that she was sitting

:

01:03:42,733 --> 01:03:43,153

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:03:43,253 --> 01:03:43,673

Mm-hmm.

:

01:03:43,813 --> 01:03:45,013

kyle (2): douche bag's house.

:

01:03:45,793 --> 01:03:50,563

And these rich kids are all like

degenerates doing weird stuff.

:

01:03:51,523 --> 01:03:52,063

And

:

01:03:52,318 --> 01:03:53,068

Katie (2): party stuff

:

01:03:53,068 --> 01:03:54,328

though, I gotta say that.

:

01:03:54,358 --> 01:03:56,068

That seemed pretty relatable.

:

01:03:56,068 --> 01:03:59,248

I mean, IWI, that was a very eighties

version of it, but that didn't

:

01:03:59,248 --> 01:04:02,488

seem atypical of like late nineties

:

01:04:02,953 --> 01:04:05,593

kyle (2): I think Benny or whatever,

dancing around in her underwear

:

01:04:05,593 --> 01:04:06,883

in front of people and stuff.

:

01:04:06,883 --> 01:04:08,653

I don't think that would be that.

:

01:04:09,373 --> 01:04:09,553

Yeah.

:

01:04:09,553 --> 01:04:11,623

People making out, I remember

making out in front of my

:

01:04:11,623 --> 01:04:13,273

friends and I cringe at that now.

:

01:04:13,833 --> 01:04:14,193

Katie (2): mean, kids,

:

01:04:14,273 --> 01:04:15,353

kyle (2): teenage bullshit.

:

01:04:15,353 --> 01:04:15,803

Yeah.

:

01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:16,793

Yeah.

:

01:04:16,873 --> 01:04:21,463

But then he is like, people just say

weird stuff to him and he just takes it.

:

01:04:21,523 --> 01:04:26,383

Or he goes up to the bedroom and

Steph's in there just watching some

:

01:04:26,383 --> 01:04:28,663

tunes, like cartoons I don't know.

:

01:04:29,263 --> 01:04:33,643

Then he's in bed with Benny and

they, they decide to take a seat

:

01:04:34,198 --> 01:04:35,458

Katie (2): They're just

sitting there watching

:

01:04:35,533 --> 01:04:35,773

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

01:04:35,773 --> 01:04:36,853

He's like, no, come in.

:

01:04:37,188 --> 01:04:39,723

And, and yeah, Blaine

isn't like, no, I'm good.

:

01:04:39,813 --> 01:04:40,353

See ya.

:

01:04:41,073 --> 01:04:42,393

He's like, okay, I'll come in.

:

01:04:42,423 --> 01:04:45,963

Like, he, he kind of gave him an

order to do that and he had to comply.

:

01:04:45,963 --> 01:04:48,693

And he's, he's like, put

in this awkward situation.

:

01:04:49,443 --> 01:04:50,523

And you know what that reminds me of?

:

01:04:50,623 --> 01:04:52,693

Former president, Lyndon Johnson.

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used

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Katie (2): I don't remember.

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Former president Lyndon

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kyle (2): he used to apparently

do stuff to like, make people

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uncomfortable, to intimidate them.

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Katie (2): Oh really?

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kyle (2): he used to

show his dick to people.

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Apparently he had a huge dick

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Katie (2): Lyndon Johnson.

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kyle (2): yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Look it up.

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And he used to like his aides, he, he

would like make them, give him briefings

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and stuff while he was taking his shit

like wi with the door open type of stuff.

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Like he he just put people

in these like really awkward

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positions just to fuck with them.

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This is what that reminded me of.

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He's like, oh, no, no, no.

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Come in.

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And then what's, her face comes out

and they're in bed and he's just

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weird, but and he has this drink

that looks like three shots in his

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glass, and I'm like, who drinks who?

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What kind of 17-year-old

drinks, straight liquor.

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Like not mixed with anything.

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Katie (2): Well, these rich guys probably

are drinking fancy, like scotch and

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stuff, you know what I

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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That's another thing.

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Like what, what 17-year-old drinks?

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Neat scotch,

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you know?

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Katie (2): Rich guys in the eighties do.

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It was in weird science too.

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But speaking of like their date and

weird, awkward, I didn't buy it at all.

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Like she, first of all, I don't

know why everybody's after her,

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because she seems like a wet blanket.

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kyle (2): Yes, she does.

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She's studious.

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She has her own weird style.

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She was like, Hey, I, I'm not here

to get you off, which I respect that.

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Katie (2): Yeah.

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kyle (2): and, but then it's like

when he takes her to these hay bales

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which you may want to edit this out,

I was like, I swear to God, I saw like

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a porn in the nineties on hay bale.

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This is a very similar hay bale

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Katie (2): You are like, I recognize this

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kyle (2): I recognize these hay bales.

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What the hell?

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She's like starts making

out with them and shit.

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Like I, I feel like they didn't have

that much of a, you never see them

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have a spark or a real connection.

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Katie (2): not at all.

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I mean, like even at the party,

she's being super uptight.

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She's not, if, if I'm being honest,

I wouldn't wanna hang out with her

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like at the par like, lighten up.

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You're, you are finally

on a date with this guy.

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He's actually showing you

off to his friends and you're

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being really, I don't know

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kyle (2): These are all her

bullies are in that house.

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Katie (2): I know,

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but

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kyle (2): that look down on her.

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She also has a massive inferiority complex

because like she lives in a shitty house.

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This is like this mansion

she's been fantasizing about.

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Like she does not feel like she

doesn't feel safe there essentially.

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Like

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Katie (2): That's a good

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kyle (2): on her, like she

feels like, oh, I'm white trash.

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If I were her, I'd want to

get the hell out of there.

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Katie (2): I would too.

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I guess where I was going with

this is like we aren't shown

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really any indication as to why

anyone likes her, aside from Ducky.

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'cause he grew up with, you know,

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like she's not fun.

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kyle (2): She's not fun.

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She's like attractive ish, but

not like incredibly attractive.

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And yeah, she doesn't have a good,

she doesn't really have a sense of

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humor or like to go and do fun stuff.

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Oh, I found, one thing I found weird is

they seem to go to a bar all the time,

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Katie (2): Yes.

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kyle (2): 17 year olds and like

they don't card there I guess

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'cause they're getting drinks

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Katie (2): I know I, what is happening?

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Ducky doesn't get in because, I dunno.

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'cause he is ducky, but these

teenagers are going to a punk rock

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like club where there are also adults.

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And I mean, did you recognize

the bouncer though, at the club?

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kyle (2): No.

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Who, who is he?

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Katie (2): It was Andrew Dice Clay.

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Are you fam, are

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you

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kyle (2): yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Katie (2): And Dweezil Zappa was

one of the kids they show like

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hanging out with with Molly and Iona

with the spiky Harris named Simon.

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He, I guess was Molly Ringwald

boyfriend at the time.

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And he's Frank Zappa's son.

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kyle (2): it is odd because I,

I found it kind of cool that at

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least the main character was a

pretty much age appropriate, right.

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Like she was around a senior high

school age at Mother Ringold.

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Katie (2): Yeah.

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kyle (2): And often you see like high

schoolers in movies or like 26 year olds.

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So it's like, in that sense,

I found people like I found

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Spader looked outta place.

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'cause of course he wears suits to school.

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Katie (2): Well, all the rich guys

are wearing like, straight up like

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blazers and stuff.

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yeah,

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kyle (2): stop talking about that.

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The whole movie.

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I'm like, oh, another blazer.

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This is like the rich person uniform.

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Katie (2): It is

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kyle (2): This morning I Googled, I'm

like, was that a thing in the eighties?

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Did people wear blazers?

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And

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Katie (2): like Miami Vice,

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kyle (2): I got mixed results.

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But I think normal high

schoolers did not wear

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Katie (2): I know it's hard

for me to tell in the eighties

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because the term yuppie, like they

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were quote unquote yuppies, but

they were teenagers, so were rich.

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Was that actually a thing

for teenagers to wear?

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And then it was cool with like

Don Johnson and like in the late

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eighties with the Miami Vice, like

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sleeves rolled

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kyle (2): Yes, my Brittany was talking

about that, the sleeves rolled up thing,

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but it, it seems like in this film,

they're like, let's give the rich people

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a uniform so they could be identified

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Katie (2): Yeah.

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kyle (2): like, oh, you have

a blazer, you're a rich kid.

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Which in, in actuality though,

like Spader or Steph in the movie

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would not be going to that school.

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He would be in private school.

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Katie (2): You absolutely.

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Mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): would not be going to this

bullshit public school, although I'm

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gonna say Molly Ringwald or Andy, she's

in the office with, I don't know if that's

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a guidance counselor or a principal.

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I think it's more of a counselor.

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He seemed to make it like she's

being sent to this school,

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like she doesn't belong to the

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): And I know there was

programs like that in the US

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often with African American kids.

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They would be bused to

like better schools.

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Like I know that at the beginning of the

movie, the Departed, they showed that.

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Where it's like they show these kids

go being busted these nice schools

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in Boston, and then the locals

are like, protesting it, right?

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Like, we don't want that

in our neighborhood.

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And I think, like, I'm like, did Mo,

did Andy get sent to the school because

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she's good at school and like, you know,

like, let's take a kid from like the

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ghetto and then let's give her a chance

by having her in this nicer school.

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Katie (2): It sort of did seem

like we got clues of that.

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And again, I think we, a lot of that,

I, I feel like I see that a lot in

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like eighties and nineties where

a smart but poorer kid would fake

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where they live to get like their zip

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code to get into a nicer

school district or something.

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kyle (2): yeah.

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And the, the only thing is it

doesn't make sense 'cause Ducky

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doesn't appear to be, there's no

evidence that he's a good student.

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The, there's no evidence

he's a bad student either.

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So I guess you could assume he's

a good student, but he lives

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obviously in a bad area and he's at

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Katie (2): Actually there is

evidence that he's a bad student

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because she's like trying to help him with

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his paper and she's like,

take this seriously.

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Do you, are you purposely trying to fail

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to stay in high school?

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'cause you don't know

what to, what you're gonna

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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So it's like he, it, it is interesting

like when she didn't want Blaine

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to take her home and she's like,

I, I related to that a bit 'cause

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I was kind of embarrassed to bring

friends to my house growing up.

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Katie (2): mm,

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kyle (2): 'cause it's not like I lived

in a super bad house, but it was not

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nearly as nice as any of my friends'

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Katie (2): mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): And so it's ah,

that's a thing like that

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that I, I related that one, that one hurt

a little bit to watch, but I did find like

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that odd confrontation where he was like,

why wouldn't you let me take you home?

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Katie (2): It wa yeah, I could buy it.

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At first I thought they went a little

too too hard on it 'cause she, he

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wasn't gonna come into the house.

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She's just gonna

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kyle (2): But it's like he knows

it's a shit neighborhood though,

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Katie (2): yeah, yeah, for sure.

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I.

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kyle (2): because, and that, and that kind

of goes along with the idea that she's

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not in that school district or whatever.

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): I think that's one difference

in the United States, like to, to a

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lot of places is like, schools seem

to be funded more in the local level.

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Like if, if your neighborhood's

poor, your school's poor.

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01:12:36,606 --> 01:12:38,616

Katie (2): It goes according

to your property taxes.

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So that's kind of what

funds public schools here.

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I mean, that's a part of what funds it, so

a neighborhood that the houses cost a lot.

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The taxes are higher,

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so the school gets more.

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yeah,

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kyle (2): yeah.

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Like where I'm at, it's on the provincial

or like what you would be the state level,

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like education's funded on a

little bit of a higher level.

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So it's like IWII, it, it does.

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And now granted, I think some school

districts are better off than others

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because, you know, like you can.

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can fund stuff or whatever, but it

is a little bit more like, you know?

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Yeah.

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Like you wouldn't go to a school

where there's no textbooks

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or, you know what I mean?

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Where it seems like that if

you're on like the south side of

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Chicago, you're kind of fucked.

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Right?

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Katie (2): Yeah, like I've been

watching Abbott Elementary,

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which is in Philadelphia

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kyle (2): show.

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Yeah,

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Katie (2): So it's very much they're like,

can we get like a special desk for our

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like wheelchair bound student and they

like can't get funding for shit like that.

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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That is messed up.

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'cause even if you think it's like, oh

no handouts to people, it's like, well,

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kids aren't responsible for like their

financial situation 'cause they're kids.

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Katie (2): Yeah.

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Like school, like a lunch.

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It's kind of a big political thing here.

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Maybe we should provide children with

breakfast and lunch, because then

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that would make them better students.

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If they're hungry, they can't think.

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But, you know, of course that's

apparently like a aw woke ideology to give

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people food.

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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But there's always money for like

bailouts or guns or whatever.

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Yeah,

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01:14:08,916 --> 01:14:09,636

Katie (2): Send war.

:

01:14:09,636 --> 01:14:11,286

There's always money for other things.

:

01:14:11,336 --> 01:14:11,936

For sure.

:

01:14:11,966 --> 01:14:12,236

kyle (2): yeah.

:

01:14:12,236 --> 01:14:16,226

You never, Brittany pointed out, you

never see Andy eat lunch at school.

:

01:14:17,126 --> 01:14:17,666

Everyone else

:

01:14:17,756 --> 01:14:19,196

Katie (2): do we see them eat lunch.

:

01:14:19,196 --> 01:14:20,906

kyle (2): I guess there in, I thought so.

:

01:14:20,936 --> 01:14:22,556

I thought there was

like a lunchroom scene.

:

01:14:22,556 --> 01:14:23,126

Maybe not.

:

01:14:23,576 --> 01:14:23,846

But

:

01:14:23,996 --> 01:14:26,366

Katie (2): There's kind of like an

outdoor scene, but we, we allude to

:

01:14:26,366 --> 01:14:30,176

it 'cause ducky kind of jokes like,

oh, I'll, I'll go make a reservation

:

01:14:30,266 --> 01:14:31,916

by the window at the cafeteria.

:

01:14:31,916 --> 01:14:32,426

kyle (2): yeah,

:

01:14:33,896 --> 01:14:37,706

Katie (2): Now, was prom a big

deal for when you were going to

:

01:14:37,916 --> 01:14:38,906

kyle (2): we don't have prom.

:

01:14:39,146 --> 01:14:43,756

There's I feel like high school

in America is more showy.

:

01:14:43,856 --> 01:14:47,096

There's more stuff like

that, like pep rallies and

:

01:14:47,096 --> 01:14:49,496

prom and things like that.

:

01:14:49,546 --> 01:14:51,796

I feel like we don't have as much

of that, which is kind of a shame.

:

01:14:51,796 --> 01:14:53,476

It seems like funner for you guys.

:

01:14:54,036 --> 01:14:58,086

Like you have like your big, we call it

grad, like your big dance at the end,

:

01:14:58,086 --> 01:14:59,466

like when you graduate high school.

:

01:15:00,021 --> 01:15:00,591

Katie (2): Okay.

:

01:15:00,726 --> 01:15:02,016

kyle (2): the big, that's the big thing.

:

01:15:02,391 --> 01:15:03,651

Katie (2): That's essentially prom,

:

01:15:03,906 --> 01:15:04,386

kyle (2): Right?

:

01:15:04,416 --> 01:15:04,896

Okay.

:

01:15:04,926 --> 01:15:05,466

So,

:

01:15:05,601 --> 01:15:06,591

Katie (2): like an equivalent

:

01:15:06,831 --> 01:15:06,951

of

:

01:15:07,236 --> 01:15:07,416

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

01:15:07,416 --> 01:15:09,896

I didn't really know what prom

was, but there's you guys have

:

01:15:09,896 --> 01:15:11,306

a homecoming dance or something.

:

01:15:11,306 --> 01:15:12,176

I don't know what that even

:

01:15:12,491 --> 01:15:14,851

Katie (2): Yeah, we do have there's

usually homecoming is pretty

:

01:15:14,851 --> 01:15:16,561

universal and that's in the fall.

:

01:15:16,561 --> 01:15:18,901

And then usually there's

some sort of like winter

:

01:15:19,396 --> 01:15:19,906

kyle (2): yeah,

:

01:15:19,921 --> 01:15:21,961

Katie (2): snowball, some

sort of a wintery thing.

:

01:15:21,961 --> 01:15:24,031

And then at the end of the year is prom

:

01:15:24,376 --> 01:15:26,236

kyle (2): I wish we had

more of that, to be honest.

:

01:15:26,516 --> 01:15:29,456

Katie (2): It showcases in these

movies especially in the eighties,

:

01:15:29,456 --> 01:15:30,896

like prom was such a big deal.

:

01:15:30,896 --> 01:15:34,126

And like we see her shopping

for a dress and it's $650,

:

01:15:34,411 --> 01:15:34,861

kyle (2): Oh, okay.

:

01:15:34,861 --> 01:15:35,881

We did look that up.

:

01:15:35,881 --> 01:15:37,951

That's about:

:

01:15:38,476 --> 01:15:39,736

Katie (2): yeah, nobody's buying.

:

01:15:39,766 --> 01:15:43,666

No regular person is spending

two grand on a prom dress

:

01:15:43,756 --> 01:15:44,106

kyle (2): right?

:

01:15:44,236 --> 01:15:44,506

Katie (2): like.

:

01:15:45,236 --> 01:15:46,726

kyle (2): That's yeah, I remember that.

:

01:15:46,846 --> 01:15:50,646

Like, I find like girls would, I don't

know how much grad dresses we call grad

:

01:15:50,646 --> 01:15:52,626

dress, but like how much that would cost.

:

01:15:52,626 --> 01:15:53,406

I have no idea.

:

01:15:53,796 --> 01:15:56,856

But it is like, yeah, it's very

similar to prom, I think, where it's

:

01:15:57,056 --> 01:15:57,756

Katie (2): It's significant.

:

01:15:57,756 --> 01:15:57,936

It's

:

01:15:57,936 --> 01:15:57,996

a

:

01:15:58,146 --> 01:15:58,566

kyle (2): some money

:

01:15:58,566 --> 01:15:58,806

out.

:

01:15:59,136 --> 01:16:00,246

You do put some money out there.

:

01:16:00,246 --> 01:16:02,416

I have no idea what it

is, but Yeah, I know.

:

01:16:02,416 --> 01:16:03,766

I, I like guys.

:

01:16:03,766 --> 01:16:04,816

We'd rent a tuxedo,

:

01:16:05,416 --> 01:16:05,836

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

01:16:05,861 --> 01:16:06,211

Uhhuh.

:

01:16:06,496 --> 01:16:08,506

kyle (2): which I think is like

a couple hundred bucks now.

:

01:16:08,506 --> 01:16:08,836

It's

:

01:16:08,956 --> 01:16:09,076

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

01:16:09,076 --> 01:16:10,876

I have no idea how much a tuxedo

:

01:16:10,906 --> 01:16:13,786

kyle (2): 'cause like by the gym

I go to, there's like a clothing

:

01:16:13,786 --> 01:16:16,846

store that sell suits and stuff, but

they also do rentals for tuxedos.

:

01:16:16,846 --> 01:16:19,786

And I think it was like 200, 200

and something Canadians, about

:

01:16:19,786 --> 01:16:22,016

200 American or maybe a little not

:

01:16:22,016 --> 01:16:22,556

cheap.

:

01:16:22,946 --> 01:16:24,056

That's, but yeah.

:

01:16:24,326 --> 01:16:25,376

For, for one day.

:

01:16:25,436 --> 01:16:28,286

Like your, your prom dress,

you could get to keep it.

:

01:16:28,406 --> 01:16:29,846

Now are you gonna wear it again?

:

01:16:30,356 --> 01:16:31,166

Probably not,

:

01:16:32,036 --> 01:16:32,666

Katie (2): No, but.

:

01:16:33,086 --> 01:16:35,936

To your point about, we have a

lot of those, so essentially.

:

01:16:36,911 --> 01:16:40,241

Maybe I got rid of them, but

most women probably have a closet

:

01:16:40,241 --> 01:16:44,501

full of probably let's see, three

dances per year, like at least 12.

:

01:16:44,951 --> 01:16:47,081

Like gown type, like dresses like

:

01:16:47,321 --> 01:16:47,951

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

01:16:48,351 --> 01:16:51,501

You would think there'd be like

a big market for used ones that

:

01:16:51,501 --> 01:16:54,471

you could buy, like you could buy

someone at prom dress from the year

:

01:16:54,471 --> 01:16:55,821

earlier or something like that.

:

01:16:56,061 --> 01:16:58,881

Although if I'm, I'm guessing if anyone

found out that you did that you'd be

:

01:16:59,031 --> 01:17:00,711

Katie (2): No, it's, you gotta show up.

:

01:17:00,761 --> 01:17:03,011

It's a place to be seen in the, you

:

01:17:03,341 --> 01:17:03,671

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

01:17:03,671 --> 01:17:07,271

But you, you would think though if you

bought a used one, it's basically new,

:

01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:09,131

like someone's worn it maybe once.

:

01:17:09,911 --> 01:17:11,231

Katie (2): But that's last year's fashion,

:

01:17:11,531 --> 01:17:12,491

kyle (2): Yes, that's right.

:

01:17:13,001 --> 01:17:14,261

Does it change that much though?

:

01:17:14,261 --> 01:17:14,861

I don't know.

:

01:17:15,876 --> 01:17:18,576

Katie (2): But again, you're trying

to fit in, so what you end up seeing

:

01:17:18,576 --> 01:17:21,126

is all the girls have essentially

the same dress in a different color,

:

01:17:21,336 --> 01:17:22,086

you know, or sort of

:

01:17:22,536 --> 01:17:25,141

kyle (2): it's big business 'cause

like, our big thing here is West

:

01:17:25,141 --> 01:17:28,621

Edmonton Mall, which used to be the

biggest mall in the world up until

:

01:17:28,621 --> 01:17:30,691

like, uh, yeah, yeah.

:

01:17:30,691 --> 01:17:33,781

It's like, it's built by the same,

like the people who built Mall of

:

01:17:33,781 --> 01:17:35,401

America, built West Edmonton Mall.

:

01:17:35,671 --> 01:17:38,341

Like, it's like these Iranian

guys that live here in Edmonton.

:

01:17:39,101 --> 01:17:40,091

Katie (2): No idea.

:

01:17:40,121 --> 01:17:43,861

kyle (2): yeah, it's like, and it's still

I think it's the biggest mall in North

:

01:17:43,861 --> 01:17:50,541

America still, but anyway, it's, it has

600 stores and there's four, four of

:

01:17:50,541 --> 01:17:52,821

these dress places, I swear like in a row.

:

01:17:52,871 --> 01:17:56,561

There's like a big hallway in this

one part of the mall where they just

:

01:17:56,561 --> 01:18:00,431

sell ceremonial dresses and these

businesses run like year round.

:

01:18:00,726 --> 01:18:01,146

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:18:01,901 --> 01:18:04,541

kyle (2): And I think it's like they

have some of this like Indian stuff

:

01:18:04,541 --> 01:18:07,486

too that style, but still like, it,

:

01:18:07,666 --> 01:18:11,021

Katie (2): Or for quinceaneras like

those dresses are pretty fancy.

:

01:18:11,351 --> 01:18:13,781

kyle (2): But yeah, there is like

a big, it is a big market, you

:

01:18:13,781 --> 01:18:16,571

know, and you don't like, you don't

think about it until you have to.

:

01:18:17,141 --> 01:18:18,101

Experience it.

:

01:18:18,101 --> 01:18:23,101

But yeah, I I could see Andy like

her struggle when she goes there.

:

01:18:23,101 --> 01:18:28,921

I think she said like early on she

got one of her outfits for $15 and

:

01:18:28,921 --> 01:18:30,451

then she said they were like six 50.

:

01:18:32,425 --> 01:18:35,316

Katie (2): She wore to your

point, she kind of created her own

:

01:18:35,316 --> 01:18:36,906

dress out of a secondhand dress.

:

01:18:37,326 --> 01:18:37,716

Um,

:

01:18:38,001 --> 01:18:39,800

kyle (2): it her friend's

prom dress from the sixties?

:

01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:40,431

Is it that one?

:

01:18:40,431 --> 01:18:41,271

Like that pink one?

:

01:18:41,471 --> 01:18:41,891

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:18:42,096 --> 01:18:42,246

That

:

01:18:42,246 --> 01:18:45,306

she, it was really hideous, but

we see her kind of make, you

:

01:18:45,306 --> 01:18:46,175

know, 'cause that's her thing.

:

01:18:46,175 --> 01:18:48,876

She, she sews and she

makes, makes it her own.

:

01:18:49,026 --> 01:18:51,036

But that was the most hideous

dress I've ever seen in my

:

01:18:51,141 --> 01:18:51,621

kyle (2): I agreed.

:

01:18:51,921 --> 01:18:52,371

I agreed.

:

01:18:52,371 --> 01:18:53,601

When I first saw that, I was just like,

:

01:18:55,086 --> 01:18:56,346

Katie (2): I think Molly hated it too.

:

01:18:56,406 --> 01:18:57,576

I feel like I read that

:

01:18:57,681 --> 01:19:01,341

kyle (2): one thing Brittany said when

I was talking to her about this is she

:

01:19:01,341 --> 01:19:05,311

liked that Andy never had to change.

:

01:19:05,956 --> 01:19:10,156

You know, like it's not one of those

ones where it's like the ugly duckling

:

01:19:10,156 --> 01:19:12,406

gets a makeover and is now the hot girl.

:

01:19:12,766 --> 01:19:13,666

Katie (2): Yes.

:

01:19:14,175 --> 01:19:16,816

kyle (2): stayed true to

herself the whole time.

:

01:19:17,416 --> 01:19:20,925

And yes, that dress was ugly, but it's

like the important thing was like,

:

01:19:20,925 --> 01:19:22,616

she liked it, she felt good at it.

:

01:19:22,666 --> 01:19:25,756

It was her style, and she was

confident to go there in that.

:

01:19:26,476 --> 01:19:30,006

And I think it would've been disappointing

to a degree if she somehow worked this

:

01:19:30,006 --> 01:19:33,156

miracle with that dress and it looked

like all the other girls' dresses.

:

01:19:33,921 --> 01:19:34,701

Katie (2): Great point.

:

01:19:34,925 --> 01:19:35,376

kyle (2): girl.

:

01:19:35,376 --> 01:19:37,776

Like she could, she, she

would've kind of sold out.

:

01:19:38,571 --> 01:19:39,171

Katie (2): Yes.

:

01:19:39,651 --> 01:19:40,581

I'm glad you didn't too.

:

01:19:40,611 --> 01:19:42,050

I That's a really good point.

:

01:19:42,511 --> 01:19:47,251

Do you feel like that sort of like class,

the really big class divide, do you think

:

01:19:47,251 --> 01:19:50,461

that's like a dated thing or do you think

that's still in play in high schools?

:

01:19:50,866 --> 01:19:51,856

kyle (2): I don't know.

:

01:19:51,856 --> 01:19:51,976

I

:

01:19:52,081 --> 01:19:54,001

Katie (2): I wondered if

Lena had, I wondered if she

:

01:19:54,331 --> 01:19:55,141

had thoughts on

:

01:19:55,336 --> 01:19:56,326

kyle (2): you know what's interesting?

:

01:19:56,416 --> 01:19:58,936

So, the junior high she's in right now.

:

01:19:59,536 --> 01:20:03,675

Is kind of far from her house because

she's currently doing schooling in French.

:

01:20:05,026 --> 01:20:07,366

We're pulling, we're we're,

she's going to English next year.

:

01:20:07,396 --> 01:20:09,286

'cause it's like, it's,

it's kind of too much.

:

01:20:09,286 --> 01:20:11,716

But she's done school in French

from like K to seven now.

:

01:20:12,536 --> 01:20:17,336

Which is not super uncommon here in Canada

because it's like a, it's supposed to be

:

01:20:17,336 --> 01:20:24,536

a bilingual country, but anyways, so the

nearest French immersion school is kind

:

01:20:24,536 --> 01:20:31,166

of far away and it's in like a really rich

area and like, we're not poor, but it's

:

01:20:31,166 --> 01:20:33,206

like we're not we're not wealthy either.

:

01:20:33,206 --> 01:20:33,506

Right.

:

01:20:33,506 --> 01:20:42,175

So she's kind of the poor kid at her

school and I don't feel like she has

:

01:20:42,175 --> 01:20:43,796

much of a chip on her shoulder about it.

:

01:20:43,796 --> 01:20:44,906

I think she does a little bit.

:

01:20:45,086 --> 01:20:45,776

A little bit.

:

01:20:46,256 --> 01:20:49,496

And even me, like I grew up where

it was kind of more like that.

:

01:20:50,246 --> 01:20:51,986

I don't think it was as bad.

:

01:20:52,761 --> 01:20:57,411

I think this movie is kind of

more of an exaggerated, because

:

01:20:57,411 --> 01:21:00,951

I don't, I didn't grow up around

anyone like stiff, like not that

:

01:21:01,086 --> 01:21:03,546

Katie (2): Yeah, it is

exaggerated, of course.

:

01:21:03,546 --> 01:21:06,366

You know, it's, it's very

tropey in that way, but,

:

01:21:06,891 --> 01:21:10,821

kyle (2): But yeah, I think, I think it's

a little, I'd say it's less like that now.

:

01:21:10,941 --> 01:21:13,821

I think we're less materialistic

now than we were in the eighties.

:

01:21:15,066 --> 01:21:16,086

Katie (2): it's just different.

:

01:21:16,116 --> 01:21:18,306

It's in a different way, I feel like.

:

01:21:18,306 --> 01:21:21,425

But also there are, there were a

few things that I noticed about

:

01:21:21,425 --> 01:21:23,226

this that really dates the movie.

:

01:21:23,286 --> 01:21:26,616

Did you notice certain

insult terms that they

:

01:21:26,901 --> 01:21:27,471

kyle (2): Oh yes.

:

01:21:27,471 --> 01:21:31,641

My, my like when they said

the F word ending in T

:

01:21:32,061 --> 01:21:32,751

Katie (2): the R word

:

01:21:32,886 --> 01:21:34,026

kyle (2): yeah, yeah.

:

01:21:34,126 --> 01:21:36,646

When they said that my

daughter was like shocked.

:

01:21:38,175 --> 01:21:41,925

Which is funny 'cause when I was in

junior high that, that word is fair game.

:

01:21:42,796 --> 01:21:43,816

Katie (2): It was, yeah.

:

01:21:43,816 --> 01:21:47,806

It's just, it's wild looking

back, like over time we've grown

:

01:21:48,136 --> 01:21:52,246

thankfully, but now watch, like that

was not, that was totally normal

:

01:21:52,726 --> 01:21:52,876

for

:

01:21:53,076 --> 01:21:54,721

kyle (2): I, I said

that word all the time.

:

01:21:55,156 --> 01:21:55,516

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

01:21:55,696 --> 01:21:55,966

So

:

01:21:56,011 --> 01:21:56,401

kyle (2): the time.

:

01:21:56,491 --> 01:21:58,981

Or like you would say, like if

something's bad oh, that's gay.

:

01:21:59,536 --> 01:22:00,076

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

01:22:00,436 --> 01:22:00,856

Yeah.

:

01:22:00,931 --> 01:22:03,511

kyle (2): And I remember my friend

giving me a hard time about that

:

01:22:04,666 --> 01:22:05,326

Katie (2): Really.

:

01:22:05,506 --> 01:22:06,226

But you shouldn't say

:

01:22:06,451 --> 01:22:06,871

kyle (2): yeah.

:

01:22:06,871 --> 01:22:08,371

And I was like, this guy's so uptight.

:

01:22:09,151 --> 01:22:09,721

But he was right.

:

01:22:10,486 --> 01:22:11,056

Katie (2): He was right.

:

01:22:11,386 --> 01:22:12,106

He was right.

:

01:22:12,151 --> 01:22:12,661

kyle (2): I was wrong.

:

01:22:12,661 --> 01:22:13,681

He was ahead of his time

:

01:22:14,161 --> 01:22:16,761

and I, I wasn't yeah, R word.

:

01:22:16,761 --> 01:22:19,911

So if someone dropped the R word in

the lunchroom the other day at work

:

01:22:19,941 --> 01:22:21,621

and he got jumped on for that, like

:

01:22:21,621 --> 01:22:24,111

people did not, people

were not having that.

:

01:22:24,351 --> 01:22:26,451

I, I'm in a fairly left-leaning workplace.

:

01:22:26,451 --> 01:22:31,161

Mind you, I think if I like, 'cause I'm

like the oil industry, it's, I live in a

:

01:22:31,161 --> 01:22:36,291

fairly blue collar city and I think some

of those more blue collar environments,

:

01:22:36,501 --> 01:22:38,151

people are dropping the R word

:

01:22:38,406 --> 01:22:38,826

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:22:38,911 --> 01:22:39,411

Mm-hmm.

:

01:22:39,651 --> 01:22:40,461

kyle (2): slurs still,

:

01:22:40,491 --> 01:22:40,941

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

01:22:41,001 --> 01:22:41,391

Yeah.

:

01:22:41,391 --> 01:22:42,526

I mm-hmm.

:

01:22:42,531 --> 01:22:44,451

kyle (2): but I'd say in schools here.

:

01:22:45,126 --> 01:22:46,536

You can't be saying that anymore

:

01:22:46,671 --> 01:22:48,050

Katie (2): No, no, no.

:

01:22:49,581 --> 01:22:49,800

kyle (2): or

:

01:22:49,821 --> 01:22:50,031

Katie (2): not.

:

01:22:50,691 --> 01:22:52,581

Also, can you smoke in your schools?

:

01:22:52,761 --> 01:22:54,351

Is this a thing that happens?

:

01:22:54,711 --> 01:22:54,861

The

:

01:22:54,876 --> 01:22:57,396

kyle (2): in, in, in not, not really.

:

01:22:58,221 --> 01:22:59,121

Katie (2): I'm, I'm joking

:

01:22:59,496 --> 01:23:01,836

kyle (2): Oh yeah, we had

smoking areas at school.

:

01:23:02,276 --> 01:23:03,016

Katie (2): for the students.

:

01:23:03,546 --> 01:23:04,626

kyle (2): Yeah, yeah,

:

01:23:05,421 --> 01:23:05,901

Katie (2): you were in high

:

01:23:05,901 --> 01:23:06,561

school,

:

01:23:07,086 --> 01:23:10,236

kyle (2): yeah, Like it wasn't inside

the building, but it was like a certain

:

01:23:10,236 --> 01:23:13,656

area outside the building was the

smoking area that students could smoke in

:

01:23:14,721 --> 01:23:15,591

Katie (2): you are younger than me.

:

01:23:15,591 --> 01:23:16,401

That's wild to

:

01:23:16,416 --> 01:23:16,536

me.

:

01:23:16,536 --> 01:23:19,266

kyle (2): or we had this thing called,

okay, so my mom went to the same

:

01:23:19,266 --> 01:23:25,026

high school and there was this area

called the Pit, and it was literally

:

01:23:25,026 --> 01:23:26,526

like kind of like a bit of a pit.

:

01:23:26,526 --> 01:23:30,126

Like you walk two or three steps

down and it was just this big

:

01:23:30,126 --> 01:23:33,996

circle area and it was surrounded

by just a few steps, kind of like

:

01:23:33,996 --> 01:23:35,856

those sunken living room things and

:

01:23:35,916 --> 01:23:36,516

Katie (2): Yeah, I can see.

:

01:23:36,816 --> 01:23:37,806

kyle (2): but it was quite large.

:

01:23:37,806 --> 01:23:40,056

It was like maybe half the

size of a basketball court.

:

01:23:40,716 --> 01:23:42,996

And that used to be the smoking

area in the school in the

:

01:23:43,296 --> 01:23:43,956

Katie (2): That's wild.

:

01:23:44,586 --> 01:23:46,956

Well, I can see in the

seventies, but dude, like

:

01:23:47,166 --> 01:23:50,706

kyle (2): but yeah, in the nineties

they, they moved that to, to outside.

:

01:23:50,706 --> 01:23:51,816

You had to go outside to smoke.

:

01:23:52,146 --> 01:23:54,576

But even in my, like I went to

a junior high high school, there

:

01:23:54,576 --> 01:23:58,626

was a smoking area that was like

a designated student smoking area

:

01:23:59,046 --> 01:24:00,156

Katie (2): that is so wild to me.

:

01:24:00,756 --> 01:24:01,806

kyle (2): because you

could buy cigarettes.

:

01:24:01,806 --> 01:24:03,036

I think it's 16 here,

:

01:24:04,566 --> 01:24:06,126

Katie (2): you could when, I don't know.

:

01:24:06,186 --> 01:24:07,446

I don't think you can now.

:

01:24:07,476 --> 01:24:08,166

I think it's probably

:

01:24:08,166 --> 01:24:09,036

kyle (2): or I think it's 18.

:

01:24:09,066 --> 01:24:10,356

I think maybe now it's 18.

:

01:24:10,361 --> 01:24:10,806

But I think back

:

01:24:10,806 --> 01:24:12,366

then 16 year olds could buy smokes.

:

01:24:12,456 --> 01:24:12,516

No

:

01:24:12,576 --> 01:24:13,266

Katie (2): same.

:

01:24:13,996 --> 01:24:17,056

So we see smoking inside

the school, just indoors

:

01:24:17,236 --> 01:24:18,976

smoking in the school,

and then they, they just

:

01:24:19,606 --> 01:24:19,876

step

:

01:24:19,906 --> 01:24:21,316

kyle (2): it once in the bathroom.

:

01:24:21,346 --> 01:24:24,856

Like when, when ducky gets thrown

into the bathroom by those bullies,

:

01:24:25,966 --> 01:24:30,136

like into the women's bathroom, you

see a girl smoking by the mirror

:

01:24:30,136 --> 01:24:32,326

there, which is like a common.

:

01:24:32,836 --> 01:24:33,421

Katie (2): In the bathroom.

:

01:24:33,556 --> 01:24:37,066

kyle (2): where you smoke in the bathroom

and that tells me you're not actually

:

01:24:37,066 --> 01:24:39,946

supposed to be smoking in the school

'cause other, otherwise why would

:

01:24:39,946 --> 01:24:41,536

you be doing that in the bathroom?

:

01:24:42,106 --> 01:24:44,986

And I feel like Steph smokes in the

school 'cause he just doesn't give a fuck.

:

01:24:45,601 --> 01:24:46,906

Katie (2): That's a good point.

:

01:24:47,326 --> 01:24:48,826

Andy's friend does it too though.

:

01:24:48,826 --> 01:24:50,356

In the in gym class.

:

01:24:50,656 --> 01:24:52,096

She's, her friend is smoking

:

01:24:52,906 --> 01:24:53,026

and

:

01:24:53,056 --> 01:24:55,966

kyle (2): with like the

lesbian gym, gym instructor or,

:

01:24:58,036 --> 01:25:00,466

Katie (2): Again, so trophies, so trophy.

:

01:25:00,856 --> 01:25:04,846

I will say what this movie has in its

favor, given all of its dated ness,

:

01:25:04,876 --> 01:25:08,776

is there are a lot of characters with

gender neutral names in this movie.

:

01:25:08,806 --> 01:25:10,396

kyle (2): yeah, I didn't think about that.

:

01:25:10,396 --> 01:25:11,386

But you're right Steph.

:

01:25:11,386 --> 01:25:12,556

I did find Steph Odd.

:

01:25:13,816 --> 01:25:15,646

And Andy I also thought was weird.

:

01:25:16,006 --> 01:25:17,086

Katie (2): Andy Blaine.

:

01:25:17,446 --> 01:25:18,196

Benny,

:

01:25:18,616 --> 01:25:19,516

Steph.

:

01:25:20,191 --> 01:25:20,791

kyle (2): Yeah, you're right.

:

01:25:20,856 --> 01:25:21,936

Katie (2): I feel like there's a few.

:

01:25:22,041 --> 01:25:25,641

kyle (2): I knew a, a guy named Lindsay

in junior high who was an asshole.

:

01:25:26,091 --> 01:25:29,451

But I feel like there wasn't as much

a gender neutral names growing up.

:

01:25:30,151 --> 01:25:30,441

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

01:25:30,481 --> 01:25:32,436

I, I really noticed it in this movie.

:

01:25:32,466 --> 01:25:34,716

I'm like, okay, you're thrown

around the F word, but at least

:

01:25:34,776 --> 01:25:36,066

those gender neutral names

:

01:25:36,381 --> 01:25:39,231

kyle (2): Do you find now that like

our names are considered like old

:

01:25:39,231 --> 01:25:43,181

people, older people names like

I don't, maybe not Katie, but no

:

01:25:43,181 --> 01:25:44,651

one names no kid Kyle anymore,

:

01:25:46,841 --> 01:25:51,550

or apparently Ashley is like

a, the new Karen type of name.

:

01:25:51,746 --> 01:25:52,436

Katie (2): really?

:

01:25:52,436 --> 01:25:53,666

I can see that though.

:

01:25:53,666 --> 01:25:53,786

I

:

01:25:53,921 --> 01:25:55,001

kyle (2): call like a millennial.

:

01:25:55,001 --> 01:25:55,991

Like a millennial.

:

01:25:55,991 --> 01:25:57,071

Karen and Ashley.

:

01:25:57,566 --> 01:25:57,956

Katie (2): Yep.

:

01:25:58,946 --> 01:26:01,016

I, that totally tracks,

to be honest with you.

:

01:26:01,016 --> 01:26:05,425

It's funny 'cause now I can see like

my nieces 13, like the, all the kids in

:

01:26:05,425 --> 01:26:09,296

her school, like what their names are

and they're gonna end up being the, the

:

01:26:09,296 --> 01:26:10,946

Ashley or the Karen or the whatever.

:

01:26:10,991 --> 01:26:16,181

kyle (2): Yeah, but it's like we're like

now, like the Gertrude and Chester and

:

01:26:16,196 --> 01:26:17,006

Katie (2): come back around.

:

01:26:17,036 --> 01:26:18,806

It'll, it will come back around.

:

01:26:18,806 --> 01:26:19,886

'cause they always do.

:

01:26:20,306 --> 01:26:23,686

Like Henry is has come like a lot of

names like that have come back around.

:

01:26:24,196 --> 01:26:26,026

Yeah, I wish you had seen

some kind of wonderful 'cause.

:

01:26:26,026 --> 01:26:27,886

I'm curious what your

thoughts are in comparison.

:

01:26:27,966 --> 01:26:29,046

I think it's superior.

:

01:26:29,146 --> 01:26:31,516

I feel like Pretty And Pink

is more culturally famous.

:

01:26:31,516 --> 01:26:33,826

Like it's more people have heard of that.

:

01:26:33,901 --> 01:26:34,831

kyle (2): Even I had heard of it.

:

01:26:35,296 --> 01:26:35,776

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

01:26:36,106 --> 01:26:40,046

But some kind of wonderful has like

gained reevaluation over time and I think

:

01:26:40,046 --> 01:26:41,906

it probably ages a little bit better.

:

01:26:42,266 --> 01:26:44,606

It's more emotionally mature.

:

01:26:45,161 --> 01:26:49,191

The version of Blaine in some

kind of wonderful is Amanda.

:

01:26:49,581 --> 01:26:52,521

And I think she, to your point

about you wanted to learn more about

:

01:26:52,521 --> 01:26:54,981

some of these characters, she's,

I think she's a better written

:

01:26:54,981 --> 01:26:57,411

character in some kind of wonderful

:

01:26:57,456 --> 01:26:59,646

kyle (2): I don't think any of

the characters in Purine Pink

:

01:26:59,646 --> 01:27:02,675

were very well written there's

not a lot of depth to any of them.

:

01:27:02,675 --> 01:27:06,486

Like I find them all fairly

superficial and it, it's a shame

:

01:27:06,876 --> 01:27:08,856

like, but what are you gonna do?

:

01:27:08,856 --> 01:27:12,096

It's funny 'cause it's like the breakfast

club was like the total opposite.

:

01:27:12,646 --> 01:27:13,066

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:27:13,596 --> 01:27:15,036

kyle (2): God was his name Bender.

:

01:27:15,036 --> 01:27:15,606

Like the,

:

01:27:15,886 --> 01:27:16,536

Katie (2): John Bender.

:

01:27:16,536 --> 01:27:16,736

Yeah.

:

01:27:16,736 --> 01:27:16,746

The.

:

01:27:16,746 --> 01:27:17,166

kyle (2): Yeah.

:

01:27:17,436 --> 01:27:19,896

Like you, you find out

there's depth to him.

:

01:27:19,986 --> 01:27:25,416

You find out more about him, like why he

is the way he is, like his abusive dad.

:

01:27:25,416 --> 01:27:26,616

Like you, you learn about it.

:

01:27:26,616 --> 01:27:30,036

Like you have these people who are

all these, you, you throw all the

:

01:27:30,036 --> 01:27:35,166

stereotypes into a room and they

learn about each other and there's

:

01:27:35,166 --> 01:27:37,241

more to you than just the stereotype.

:

01:27:38,886 --> 01:27:39,306

Katie (2): That

:

01:27:39,456 --> 01:27:40,891

kyle (2): movie, isn't that at all?

:

01:27:41,675 --> 01:27:42,996

Katie (2): Yeah, no, totally.

:

01:27:43,266 --> 01:27:47,316

Well that movie, it is, it's

known for its writing and also

:

01:27:47,316 --> 01:27:48,666

it's just very dialogue heavy.

:

01:27:48,666 --> 01:27:50,076

They're all just in a

room, the whole movie.

:

01:27:50,076 --> 01:27:50,526

Like they don't

:

01:27:50,526 --> 01:27:52,236

go anywhere or just basically.

:

01:27:52,675 --> 01:27:56,966

But yeah, and ducky in this is sort

of unfortunate because he's like more

:

01:27:56,966 --> 01:28:03,086

loud and performative and so people

for whatever reason seem there's like

:

01:28:03,086 --> 01:28:06,925

a division about should Andy have

ended up with Ducky versus Blaine.

:

01:28:07,226 --> 01:28:13,376

Whereas in some kind of wonderful

Watts is the, the girl, you know,

:

01:28:13,376 --> 01:28:15,626

basically ducky the, the ducky version.

:

01:28:15,686 --> 01:28:20,856

And she's very like reserved and

emotionally grounded and very loyal.

:

01:28:20,856 --> 01:28:22,175

So I think it's very easy.

:

01:28:22,175 --> 01:28:23,106

There's no question

:

01:28:23,106 --> 01:28:24,126

that Keith should have ended up with

:

01:28:24,576 --> 01:28:25,506

kyle (2): Ducky is annoying.

:

01:28:25,596 --> 01:28:26,586

He, he annoyed me.

:

01:28:26,616 --> 01:28:29,966

I didn't say to me, when I saw the

character, it's like he's not a bad person

:

01:28:30,716 --> 01:28:33,956

or anything like that, but he's like,

this guy would never hang out with him.

:

01:28:34,166 --> 01:28:35,641

Like he's just way too much for me.

:

01:28:36,641 --> 01:28:37,061

Katie (2): Yeah.

:

01:28:37,121 --> 01:28:37,421

Yeah.

:

01:28:37,511 --> 01:28:38,111

A lot.

:

01:28:38,126 --> 01:28:41,126

kyle (2): And I could see that's why

people wouldn't want him to be with her

:

01:28:41,126 --> 01:28:44,606

because it's like they didn't feel like

endeared to him in the first place.

:

01:28:45,386 --> 01:28:46,586

At least I didn't, I dunno.

:

01:28:47,501 --> 01:28:50,001

Katie (2): What other observations

or comments, since you watched

:

01:28:50,001 --> 01:28:52,800

it with your wife and daughter

what stuck out to you guys?

:

01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:54,231

kyle (2): Okay.

:

01:28:54,231 --> 01:28:57,161

I've said a lot of them, it's I

know for my daughter, she didn't

:

01:28:57,161 --> 01:28:58,781

super like the film in general.

:

01:28:59,216 --> 01:29:00,206

Katie (2): That doesn't surprise me.

:

01:29:00,401 --> 01:29:03,311

kyle (2): Like I don't think she

find it, found it very relatable.

:

01:29:03,371 --> 01:29:04,931

She didn't like the end.

:

01:29:05,681 --> 01:29:08,771

It was funny for her to make

fun of people's clothes and

:

01:29:08,771 --> 01:29:10,541

hairstyles and stuff like that.

:

01:29:11,711 --> 01:29:13,391

I found it a little nostalgic.

:

01:29:13,451 --> 01:29:16,931

It reminded me of women I

would see in my childhood,

:

01:29:17,271 --> 01:29:17,691

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:29:18,221 --> 01:29:20,471

kyle (2): like the, you know,

like my earlier memories would

:

01:29:20,471 --> 01:29:22,721

be probably from:

:

01:29:23,111 --> 01:29:25,871

But, so it's like, I remember the

late eighties and I remember women

:

01:29:25,871 --> 01:29:27,521

looking like this or talking like this.

:

01:29:27,521 --> 01:29:28,571

And I found like the.

:

01:29:29,156 --> 01:29:31,586

People's cadence was different

in that movie than it's now.

:

01:29:31,586 --> 01:29:33,716

People talk differently,

they have a different tone.

:

01:29:33,716 --> 01:29:38,306

They like, they say things differently and

I can't really express specifics on that,

:

01:29:38,541 --> 01:29:38,961

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:29:39,175 --> 01:29:39,881

I know what you mean though.

:

01:29:39,986 --> 01:29:42,056

kyle (2): but like when

they talk it's not the same.

:

01:29:42,056 --> 01:29:44,816

And same with like rule, you know,

like you have that transatlantic

:

01:29:44,816 --> 01:29:47,486

accent when they're talking like

this on the films and it's like,

:

01:29:47,816 --> 01:29:48,776

there's just something about it.

:

01:29:48,776 --> 01:29:50,816

It's like it, things change over time.

:

01:29:50,846 --> 01:29:56,936

And you know, I felt like overall though,

I wouldn't say the movie aged poorly.

:

01:29:58,106 --> 01:30:01,196

I'd say I didn't find it that cheesy.

:

01:30:01,226 --> 01:30:04,076

And I find like a lot of eighties

movies are really cheesy.

:

01:30:04,641 --> 01:30:05,061

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

:

01:30:05,425 --> 01:30:08,066

kyle (2): I just found although it

didn't age poorly, I don't think

:

01:30:08,066 --> 01:30:09,626

it was that good when it came out.

:

01:30:10,493 --> 01:30:10,673

Katie (2): I

:

01:30:10,673 --> 01:30:13,013

kyle (2): I don't think, yeah,

like it's kind of like the

:

01:30:13,013 --> 01:30:14,663

American cheese of movies.

:

01:30:14,663 --> 01:30:17,723

Like you can eat it, but it's

like, it's nothing special.

:

01:30:17,723 --> 01:30:18,293

You know what I mean?

:

01:30:19,193 --> 01:30:19,973

Katie (2): I agree.

:

01:30:20,452 --> 01:30:22,763

I totally agree.

:

01:30:22,863 --> 01:30:27,303

I don't know why it's so known,

like culturally known, but I

:

01:30:27,303 --> 01:30:29,043

find very few people love it.

:

01:30:29,702 --> 01:30:32,463

You know, it's, everyone always

points to the Breakfast Club or,

:

01:30:33,153 --> 01:30:36,663

or Ferris Bueller, you know,

for, in terms of John Hughes, so

:

01:30:37,538 --> 01:30:38,407

kyle (2): that is interesting.

:

01:30:38,618 --> 01:30:41,348

I don't know, maybe like parts of

it, maybe the cost divide speaks to

:

01:30:41,348 --> 01:30:49,598

people or I think also Molly Ringwald

is just like kind of, she's likable.

:

01:30:49,688 --> 01:30:52,118

People like her, they

like the stuff she's in.

:

01:30:52,208 --> 01:30:56,138

And I think maybe because it, it's

adjacent to something like the Breakfast

:

01:30:56,138 --> 01:31:00,907

Club and it like when I, when you said

it had suggestions for movies for us

:

01:31:00,907 --> 01:31:05,048

to review, I hadn't seen any of them,

so I had to pick one I think I would

:

01:31:05,048 --> 01:31:06,618

like, and I think the reason I picked.

:

01:31:07,508 --> 01:31:08,198

Pretty in pink.

:

01:31:08,228 --> 01:31:13,118

It's 'cause it was a Molly Ringwald film

close to in time, to the Breakfast Club.

:

01:31:14,048 --> 01:31:14,678

Katie (2): Yes,

:

01:31:14,827 --> 01:31:17,138

kyle (2): And so it's like, okay,

I'll, I'll give this a shot.

:

01:31:17,678 --> 01:31:21,758

And I think maybe, maybe that has

something to do with its popularity.

:

01:31:23,288 --> 01:31:24,038

Katie (2): well said.

:

01:31:24,038 --> 01:31:29,827

Yeah, it is her third movie in a row

that is very similar with John Hughes.

:

01:31:29,827 --> 01:31:34,358

But yeah, she, she definitely

was a, a part of the culture in,

:

01:31:34,358 --> 01:31:36,098

in the mid eighties for sure.

:

01:31:36,368 --> 01:31:40,138

Alright, Kyle thank you so much

for joining me on Pretty In

:

01:31:40,138 --> 01:31:42,388

Pink and you did pretty good on

the trivia, I gotta be honest.

:

01:31:42,388 --> 01:31:48,068

Considering for:

thoughts or where can we find more of you?

:

01:31:48,518 --> 01:31:49,088

Hint, hint.

:

01:31:50,618 --> 01:31:54,577

kyle (2): Well, my, you can go to,

to, to Kyle at night at OnlyFans.

:

01:31:54,577 --> 01:31:57,718

That's where my it's only

3 99 a month to subscribe.

:

01:31:57,718 --> 01:31:59,038

I think it's pretty reasonable.

:

01:31:59,548 --> 01:32:00,388

Katie (2): It is pretty reasonable.

:

01:32:00,448 --> 01:32:01,738

kyle (2): I'm very interactive.

:

01:32:01,738 --> 01:32:03,808

I'm very friendly or not so

friendly, depending on what

:

01:32:03,808 --> 01:32:06,568

you like, but uh, not really.

:

01:32:06,598 --> 01:32:08,728

One more round, the Rocky Series podcast.

:

01:32:09,191 --> 01:32:12,881

that's where you can see Katie and

I, and this, this guy named Ryan.

:

01:32:13,331 --> 01:32:14,771

He's, he's all right.

:

01:32:15,546 --> 01:32:18,731

that's, that's pretty much my

only online presence, though.

:

01:32:19,331 --> 01:32:19,421

to

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01:32:19,421 --> 01:32:23,671

keep a low, my only fans in one

more round is really all I do.

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01:32:25,261 --> 01:32:26,131

Katie (2): That's quite a bit.

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01:32:26,161 --> 01:32:28,111

I mean, I bet your OnlyFans

keeps you quite busy.

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01:32:28,431 --> 01:32:32,321

But yes, teasing aside, yeah,

Ryan puts up with us every other

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01:32:32,321 --> 01:32:35,321

week if you like the rocky movies

that you can fight it on YouTube

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01:32:35,526 --> 01:32:38,351

kyle (2): And if you don't like

the Rocky movies, reevaluate

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01:32:38,891 --> 01:32:39,251

Katie (2): yeah.

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01:32:39,251 --> 01:32:39,911

What are you doing with your

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01:32:39,911 --> 01:32:40,121

life

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01:32:40,121 --> 01:32:40,300

if you

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01:32:40,331 --> 01:32:42,281

kyle (2): if you think it's

just a dumb boxing movie.

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01:32:42,281 --> 01:32:45,101

Look again, look more carefully.

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01:32:45,101 --> 01:32:46,721

One best picture for a reason people.

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01:32:46,901 --> 01:32:47,351

Katie (2): It did.

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01:32:47,601 --> 01:32:51,651

That is our look back at Pretty and

Pink, a movie that's equal, part

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01:32:51,651 --> 01:32:54,261

style angst, and oh so eighties.

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01:32:54,261 --> 01:32:59,511

If you did enjoy this episode, please take

a moment to rate and review or reach out

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01:32:59,511 --> 01:33:05,091

with your thoughts on if you think Andy

should have ended up with Blaine or Ducky.

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01:33:05,391 --> 01:33:06,591

Thank you for listening.

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01:33:06,591 --> 01:33:09,411

Until next time, be kind, rewind.

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Welcome to the Retromade Podcast, where we take a nostalgic trip down memory lane and explore the best of the 80s and 90s pop culture.

Join us as we dive into the iconic movies, TV shows, music, fashion, cartoons, toys, and other cultural trends that defined these two decades. From the classic coming-of-age films of John Hughes to the unforgettable TV shows like The Cosby Show, Cheers, The Golden Girls, Friends, and Seinfeld; we’ll explore the moments that shaped our childhoods and continue to resonate with us today.

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