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Episode 46

Mr. Mom | S2E4

Today, we go back to 1983 to explore how a John Hughes-penned classic captured the era’s shifting family dynamics and remains a fan favorite today with Mr. Mom!

I’m joined by returning guest, Craig Cohen, of The G.O.A.T. - a Brian De Palma Fan Podcast. Originally from the east coast, Craig now lives in Las Vegas, Nevada with his wife and 2 Yorkies, Frida and Frankie Ramone. In his free time, he enjoys podcasting, reading and listening to and creating music. You can check out Craig's work: https://flow.page/mrcraigcohen

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Transcript
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Thank you.

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Meet dad.

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He's a real man.

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Got a beer seven o'clock in the morning.

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Scotch an all out go-getter.

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But when his job pulled

the plug on him, I'm fine.

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You son,

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they threw a switch.

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Okay, good luck.

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And he became the lead of the house.

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It sure looks like he got a terrific deal.

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Honey, if you call, I'm not here, I'll

be at the gym or at the game club.

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Exercise and relaxation.

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Good.

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Home cooking.

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Arts and crafts.

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Kenny, don't paint your sister.

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And fun and games with the neighbors.

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Are these any good?

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Got two pair.

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They got plenty.

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That's when he was forced

to face the bare facts.

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His new job is a mother, Michael Keaton.

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Where does Bobby keep the extra diapers?

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And Terry guards in Mr.

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Mop, a mother of a comedy.

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Katie: Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we go back to 1983 to explore

how a John Hughes Pen Classic captured

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the eras shifting family dynamics

and remains a favorite today with Mr.

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Mom.

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I am very happy to have a

returning guest with me today.

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Craig Cohen from The Goat,

a Brian DePalma fan podcast.

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Craig: Yep.

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Katie: thank you so much for joining

me on season two of Retro Made.

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Craig: Oh, thank you for having me.

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And congrats on season two and yeah,

I had a blast last time I was here,

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so I'm looking forward to today.

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Katie: Thank you.

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Well tell us what's new with

you in the podcasting world.

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What do you got going

on with Brian de Palmer?

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Craig: Oh yeah, the goat chugs along.

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I took of the fall off

and we sort of did a.

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Relaunch in at the beginning of the

year, and we continue to explore and

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celebrate the filmography of America's

greatest director Brian De Palma.

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and as you listen to this, I'm gonna be

starting a series of solo episodes, which

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should be pretty interesting because

typically I'm not a solo podcaster,

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so it will be a nice experiment.

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So, if you're into films at all or you're

not familiar with Brian de Palmer, give

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the show a, a listen every episode I

let my guest pick a movie and then a

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scene from that movie to help illustrate

why De Palmer is as great as he is.

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Katie: That's great.

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I highly recommend, and I'm

looking forward to these solo ones.

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Craig: Yeah, it should be

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Katie: Yeah.

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Craig: be neat.

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I'm going to kind of focus on the

movies that nobody wants to talk about.

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Katie: I, I, I have been there, Craig.

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I'm like, well, I, I don't

know if I wanna ask somebody

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to do this, so I'll just do it.

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Yep.

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Craig: Yeah.

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No, and it is good.

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It's a nice sort of

different way to podcasting

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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So listeners, if you're new to the show,

we cover eighties and nineties movies.

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Each season has the theme.

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This season is John Hughes and we

set the stage for the time that

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the movie was released by opening

the time capsule from that time.

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And there's a new spin,

pun intended this season.

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So we're gonna do that.

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I'm gonna spin this wheel and see

what category we land on and see

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if we can trip up, Craig, or maybe

he's an expert in:

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Okay.

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Alright.

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Can you see

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Craig: I

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Katie: our, our, our wheel of retro made?

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Craig: Yes.

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Katie: Let's see what we,

let's see what we get here.

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Craig: Oh, this is cool.

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Oh, so close to stars and scandals.

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Katie: Pages of the past.

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We'll do a few,

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Which 1983 Children's Magazine known

for its vibrant illustrations and

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engaging stories was popular among

young readers, particularly in the uk.

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I guess

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Craig: shit.

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Katie: it was here too,

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Craig: I was

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Katie: but good guess

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Craig: Yeah, but it's not

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Katie: it's not.

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Craig: Okay.

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Katie: I think that came slightly later.

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Craig: Okay.

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Goodness.

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I, I highlights is all I

had loaded and ready to go.

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Katie: Well, UK listeners told me if you

remember the Look and Learn magazine.

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Does that sound familiar

to you at all, Craig?

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Craig: at all.

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Katie: Right.

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Well, maybe this one.

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Okay.

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Witch 1983 Children's

Fantasy Novel by Roll Doll.

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Features a young boy and his Norwegian

grandmother battling a Society

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of witches who despise children.

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Craig: Oh, is it called The Witches.

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Katie: It is.

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Yeah.

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Craig: they turn that into a movie, right?

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Katie: Yep.

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Craig: yeah.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Craig: Okay.

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With like Angela, her name?

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Katie: Angelica Houston.

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Craig: Houston.

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Yeah.

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Katie: I love it.

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It's great.

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All right, let's, let's

do another category.

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Craig: Yep.

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Katie: Ken.

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Can Craig, can Craig come

out to play is our category.

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What?

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1983 Gadget, which featured a small

joystick controller and a cartridge

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system was an affordable alternative

to larger video game consoles

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offering a portable gaming experience.

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Craig: Okay, so this is, is

interesting because I'm trying to

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remember when certain things came out.

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I mean, the obvious answer

it now, your question didn't

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say, this is when it debuted.

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Right.

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Katie: No, not necessarily.

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Craig: I think the obvious

answer is the Atari 2,600.

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Katie: You are correct, Craig,

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Craig: Alright.

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Katie: I, I am shocked

you even got the 2,600.

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Craig: Oh, well, I, I'm old.

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Katie: Because it says technically,

like according to my research, it

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was the Atari 2,600, or the Atari

7,800, although released earlier,

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continued to be popular in 1983.

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So it says,

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Craig: Yeah, I, I think, I

think you said affordable too,

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Katie: mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Craig: so that's why I went

with the 2,600 if memory serves.

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That was sort of like, I think what really

got Atari into lot more homes the fact

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that there was like an affordable version.

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I think like maybe like

the graphics or whatever.

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I mean, we're talking about eight bit or

whatever, but, so it wasn't like crazy.

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But, but I think it just didn't have

as much horsepower as that other, that

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Katie: Got it.

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Okay.

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Craig: I'm glad I got that.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Craig: I

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Katie: Well,

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Craig: when the, when the

Nintendo NES system debuted.

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Katie: 80, I think 83

was way too early for it.

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I would've, yeah.

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Craig: And then there was another system,

which I don't know if you are, you know,

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ColecoVision was another like Compe,

like Atari competitor and I don't know

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if there was some kind of legal issues.

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Around ColecoVision.

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They may or may not, and do my research

here because I didn't know you were

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gonna ask me this, but they may or

may not have been like using games.

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They didn't have the rights to use

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Katie: it.

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Okay.

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Craig: that.

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But either way, ColecoVision, like

if you look at probably like hardcore

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gaming circles that probably are people

that collect the ColecoVision and,

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and the and then there was another one

called, I think in television there

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Katie: Oh my God, I've

never even heard of these.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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Wow.

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That's cool.

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Well, you're, you seem

strong in this category.

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Let me see which popular toy from

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plastic soldier, an adventure theme.

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Leading to a series of action figures,

comic books, and even a TV series.

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Craig: Oh, that's GI Joe.

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Katie: What's the tagline?

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Craig: Real American hero.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Craig: Yeah.

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No, I

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Katie: Joe.

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Craig: was, you have no

idea for a 9-year-old.

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Kid 1983, what a big deal Joe was.

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We bought the comics, we had the

figures, and you could really see

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which figures were most popular

because the joints would loosen.

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So you'd pick 'em up and like their

arms and legs would just flop.

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Katie: yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Craig: kid every kid's like

storm shadow and snake eyes

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would be just like worn to heck.

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And then of course the, you know,

the, the, the animated show,

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which was just like a juggernaut.

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Yeah.

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No, I mean, that was, that was an

amazing, amazing time to be a 9-year-old.

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Katie: Yeah, I guess I, I'm a household

of all girls, so we had zero GI Joes

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in our home, but cousins, I'm, I'm

vaguely familiar with the GI Joe.

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Yeah.

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Let's do another category.

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Craig: Yeah.

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Katie: Commercial

countdown is our category.

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Some of 'em are so easy.

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We'll do a couple maybe, which beverage

company's:

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the tagline just for the taste of it,

promoting their new sugar free soda.

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Craig: Oh, that's, that's Coke, right?

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Craig: All

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Katie: That's it's Diet Coke.

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Yep.

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Craig: That's wild that they introduced

Diet Coke in:

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too far removed from like new Coke.

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Um.

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Katie: Coke was later in the eighties.

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You're right.

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Craig: But that was also sugar based.

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Katie: yeah.

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Craig: surprising to me that, that

I, you know, I don't really remember

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the introduction of Diet Coke.

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Like me, I always remember Diet Coke

being an option, but we also didn't

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drink soda a lot when I was a kid.

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That was one of those things where there

wasn't soda in the house, like there,

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you know, so if you, if and when you

did drink it, it was a special occasion.

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And then also obviously you're

not gonna be ordering a diet Coke

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Katie: I did.

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I, so I, it is funny,

I, diet Coke is my jam.

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I don't buy soda currently.

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I was literally like,

I think addicted to it.

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So if it's here, I will drink it.

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But there are certain things certain

times when a fountain, especially

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a fountain, diet Coke sounds good.

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Craig: oh yeah.

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No, no, a hundred percent.

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There is no comparison between

a canned or a bottled soda and,

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and the fountain variety like.

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Peak fountain soda was

like prime, McDonald's,

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Craig: Coke on tap.

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Yeah, no, absolutely no.

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And as a soda drinker, like when

we drink soda now, like we either

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have Pepsi zero or Coke zero in the

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Craig: I was never really a big fan

of the mix of sugar when you're eating

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a hamburger or anything like that,

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Katie: Yeah,

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Craig: Yeah, no, it's just surprising

because I guess that makes sense

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because what, in 85 and back to the

future, like Marty orders the Pepsi.

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What the Pepsi free?

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Katie: I don't remember.

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Craig: So I guess that was the

start of the whole diet soda trend.

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Like where like people were like,

wait, there's a ton of sugar

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in this stuff we're drinking.

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Katie: I prefer the taste of it

and yeah, when I was in 83, I

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probably was not drinking Diet Coke.

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I was like a toddler.

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Craig: They didn't put it in your bottle.

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Katie: but when, when I was

very young, I don't remember

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having soda in the house either.

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And it was a treat.

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And honestly, I think it was Shasta brand.

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But then when I was like in the

nineties, we had a fridge downstairs

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for soda and beer and after school every

day I would go get a Coke, I'd pour

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it in a glass and use a straw also.

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'cause I needed, I needed,

I needed the diet Coke.

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And then I, I tell the story to

people and they look at me funny.

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But there is something to the

way that places mix the syrup.

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There's something to McDonald's

why it supposedly tastes better.

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It has something to do with the

diameter of the straw and their,

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their they over it's stronger syrup

because it is meant to accommodate,

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accommodate for the ice melting.

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Mm-hmm.

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Craig: I kind of feel like I watched

like a 10 minute YouTube video

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McDonald's fountain soda at, at

some point in the last couple years.

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yeah.

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Wild, wild.

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And it's funny, like they have

these freestyle machines now,

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Katie: Oh yeah.

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Craig: Which are cool.

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But the trick to those freestyle machines,

if you ever find yourself in front

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of one, run a cycle of water through

it prior to making your selections.

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Because what's gonna happen is if the

person before you did like lemon lime

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or something, that remnants of that

are still gonna be in the pipeline.

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Katie: Of course.

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Yeah.

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Craig: blast of water before

you start your selection.

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And then the freestyle machine won't

taste as weird as it sometimes does.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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It's a good call, good call.

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I also vague memory from childhood.

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We would go to Kansas City, I.

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Which was probably like three

hours from where we lived.

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And so we would go to like

a, a Royals game and I would

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order a Diet Coke at the game,

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Craig: Yeah.

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Katie: it tasted better there.

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I think there's something in the

water at CAN in Kansas City because

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also worlds and oceans of fun.

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I just remember their diet Coke tasting

significantly better than anywhere else.

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And I don't know if it's like more

chlorinated water or something,

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but if anybody lives in Kansas

City, please let me know.

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Craig: yeah.

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Katie: All right, let's maybe do one more,

Craig, and then we'll get into the movie.

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Craig: Now this is cool.

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This is fun.

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Katie: Oh, we already did that one.

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Come on.

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Craig: Oh.

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Yeah, we did.

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Katie: Yeah, there's 12

categories, so I don't know.

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Craig: know.

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What are the odds?

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Katie: Oh my God.

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Same what?

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Come on.

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Craig: Now if it goes

to commercials, right?

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Was that Commercials was the last one.

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Oh my goodness.

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Katie: Okay.

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That's the third time that we've come on.

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Can Craig come out to play?

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Can we get another category?

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These are always fun.

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Craig: Oh, okay.

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Katie: VHS Vault is the category.

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Craig, do you have any, before I

give you any hints, do you have any

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inclinations for what the top five

rentals movie rentals in:

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Craig: I'm gonna say in that top

five have to have Rocky three.

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Katie: I would've guessed that too.

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It's not.

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Craig: Okay.

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Well, you know what the, the wild

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Katie: It's probably 'cause it took

a little longer for it to come.

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Like at that time it would take, because

that probably came out in the end of 82

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Craig: Yeah.

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Katie: in the theater.

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Craig: three poster in

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Katie: Yeah.

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Uhhuh.

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Craig: O Okay.

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Goodness.

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I'm trying to think of movies

like from 19, like ET maybe, but

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Katie: some.

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Craig: still in theaters.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Craig: Yeah,

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Katie: it was 81, wasn't it?

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Craig: yeah.

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But no, no joke.

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We had a, the, I might have told this

story last season we had a theater

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in the town I lived in before.

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So downtown we had a, dual screen theater.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Craig: was like, you know, go to

the left for for one boob, go to

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the right for the other, and there

was a 14 month run ET had like

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Katie: Wow.

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Craig: locked down and they

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Katie: a year.

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Craig: like what was in theater two.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Craig: I.

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Katie: wild.

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Craig: So et had a, a, a long run.

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Whoa.

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It has to be a Star Wars movie, right?

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Katie: These are these, honestly

I'm kind of surprised, so I'll get,

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I'll start with the, the hints.

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The first one I think you'll get,

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Craig: Mm-hmm.

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Katie: 1982 action comedy film features a

tough cop teaming up with a wisecracking

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convict to catch a pair of cop killers

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Craig: Oh, 48

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Katie: Yeah, that became

the top video rental.

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That was the number one.

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Craig: you know what's funny about that?

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I, I had that movie in the back

of my head because when VHS came

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out, it was a rental market.

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They,

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Craig: were not, you were

not supposed to buy them.

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So, I remember one of

my brother's friends.

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His mom bought him VHS movies

and like had spent like $59 or

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whatever on the VHS of, of 48 hours.

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And it blew our mind that we

were like, wait a minute, you

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own this, you're not renting it.

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also the prices were just crazy.

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I think it was like, I don't think it

was until like Disney like probably

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like around like Jurassic Park

when like movies actually became

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affordable enough to purchase.

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Katie: I remember we had some, but

a, the vast majority of our VHS

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collection was movies taped from tv,

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Craig: Yep.

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Katie: of which Mr.

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Mom was one.

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Craig: Yeah.

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Katie: Okay, so the next one, the,

this:

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for its raunchy humor and set

in a:

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Yeah.

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Craig: Okay.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Yep.

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Craig: Who you know who directed porkies?

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Katie: who

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Craig: Bob Clark, who also

did a Christmas story.

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Katie: you're kidding.

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Craig: it's, it's always funny to me

that well, aside from the fact that

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he did Black Christmas, which is like

one of the first what Slasher films.

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Katie: Hmm.

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Craig: He also did Christmas story,

but then he also did this like porkies,

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which I think probably unfairly gets

lumped into all the sequels that

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Katie: Yeah.

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Craig: you know, more and more raunchy.

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But yeah, no, that's like always

my little like sort of dinner

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dinner party trivia is like, Hey,

do you know the guy that directed

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Christmas story directed four keys?

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Katie: Well, the guy who directed First

Blood also directed a weekend at Bernie's,

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Craig: It's

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Katie: so yeah.

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Craig: Yeah.

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Katie: Okay.

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:

I think you'll get this one too.

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Which 1982 science fiction film

directed by Ridley Scott featuring

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a dystopian future and a replicate

hunting protagonist gained a cult

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following popular video rental in 1983.

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:

Craig: Oh yeah, that's Blade Runner.

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Katie: Yeah.

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:

Okay.

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Craig: 1982 was f famously probably

like the best summer for sci-fi.

440

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You had Blade Runner, et et was

still in theaters, and you had

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John Carpenter as the thing.

442

:

Katie: That's right.

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:

Yeah.

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:

Craig: funny that Blade Runner is

on that list because I've always

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thought that like Blade Runner was

not held in any kind of regard until

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it was reassessed in the nineties.

447

:

So that's kind of interesting to

see that it bombed in theaters,

448

:

but were renting it on VHS.

449

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

450

:

Craig: the theatrical cut in

the nineties, you were gonna

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:

have a really, really hard time.

452

:

Katie: Really?

453

:

Craig: yeah.

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:

So, the original theatrical kind of has

this really sort of divisive voiceover,

455

:

and there's theories that, like

Harrison Ford was against it, so he like

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:

purposefully like the recording session.

457

:

Katie: Mm.

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Craig: and there's people that love

the voiceover and there's other

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people that absolutely hate it.

460

:

Now every version of the

movie's available on home video.

461

:

So it's just a matter of which

flavor you feel like watching.

462

:

Katie: I, I'm kind of embarrassed,

but I have never seen Blade Runner.

463

:

Craig: Oh,

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:

Katie: Yeah.

465

:

Craig: I, it, well, it's worth

466

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

467

:

Craig: And there's Ridley

Scott's final cut quote unquote.

468

:

Katie: Okay.

469

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Craig: if, if and when you're gonna

watch it, just watch that version.

470

:

Katie: Okay.

471

:

Craig: It's a great movie.

472

:

It's definitely worth watching.

473

:

It's Rutger Hower, like one of the

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:

Katie: Yeah,

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:

Craig: performances.

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:

Katie: heard good things and I have

heard that and it really, the cult

477

:

status portion of it is kind of what

I've heard sim similar with the thing.

478

:

I guess I have seen the thing, I covered

it on my Kurt Russell and Patrick Swayze

479

:

season, but okay, there's two more.

480

:

The, this one.

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This one.

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:

I adore this movie so much.

483

:

I gotta find a way to

insert it in a season.

484

:

. Which 1982 musical film based on a

Broadway play about an optimistic

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:

orphan during the Great Depression.

486

:

Craig: oh, it's, it's Annie.

487

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

488

:

Craig: seeing Annie in theaters and

it's, it's funny, my my dad's parents,

489

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my grandparents on my dad's side they

lived in Queens when I was a kid, we

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used to go to the movies with them and

we'd go to the movies in Manhattan.

491

:

Katie: Ooh.

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:

Cool.

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:

Craig: this was like the

theaters that had:

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Craig: I mean, like thinking

about movie theaters now, like

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you're lucky if you have 75 seats.

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Like these were like theaters from

like the, what, the:

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So we saw Annie in a 2000 seat

theater, but we were right in the

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front because it was probably sold out.

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So I have vivid memories of watching

Annie, like where you're looking up and

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:

the screen is 40 feet tall or whatever.

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:

Wild.

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:

Wild.

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:

Yeah.

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:

Yeah.

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:

Katie: that would be so cool to

watch a movie in a theater like that.

507

:

Not, I don't think I'd be, I would

wanna be in the front row, but yeah.

508

:

Craig: No, it's wild.

509

:

Yeah, I, I think if you ever

have the chance to go to like

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Hollywood, like the Chinese Theater,

511

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

512

:

Craig: theater is a similar experience.

513

:

They're like, theaters

just hit different back

514

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

515

:

Yeah, I'm in.

516

:

Craig: the, the seats

are so much better now.

517

:

Katie: Yeah.

518

:

I don't go very often for it

to matter, but I'm envisioning

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:

you, you talking about this.

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:

What I'm en envisioning in my

head is the scene of them in Annie

521

:

going to a movie in New York.

522

:

Okay, the last one, number

five, rental for 83.

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:

It is a 1982 horror anthology film

inspired by the works of Stephen

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:

King and directed by George A.

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:

Romero.

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:

Craig: Creep show.

527

:

Katie: Never seen it.

528

:

I I never would've guessed that.

529

:

Yeah.

530

:

Craig: Oh, creep show.

531

:

It's oh my goodness.

532

:

Yeah.

533

:

It's, it's, it's awesome.

534

:

There is a great segment in creep

show with Ted Danon and Leslie

535

:

Nielsen, it's funny because you're

so used to Leslie Nielsen being like.

536

:

The wacky Frank Drebin

537

:

Katie: Yeah.

538

:

Craig: Naked Gun or the

Pilot, you know, the airplane.

539

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

540

:

Craig: but yeah.

541

:

Oh, creep show is so great.

542

:

There's another one with Adrian Barbo.

543

:

Oh.

544

:

Katie: Oh,

545

:

Craig: it's

546

:

Katie: okay.

547

:

Craig: a fun, it's

like, it's campy horror,

548

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

549

:

Craig: of like the, the best horror.

550

:

my goodness.

551

:

Yeah.

552

:

Creep show.

553

:

That's, that's great.

554

:

I can totally understand why that's

one of the top rentals of the year.

555

:

Katie: Yeah.

556

:

All right, you guys.

557

:

That was the time capsule we went.

558

:

Yeah.

559

:

Good.

560

:

Now before we get into Mr.

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:

Mom, because my season

is all about John Hughes.

562

:

I was curious if you had anything to

share you know, were you a kid when you

563

:

realized that he was the master behind

a lot of these movies, or did it take

564

:

you a while, or what's your history?

565

:

Craig: Well, absolutely.

566

:

I think probably saw a vacation

first, I think most people that

567

:

lived at probably 16 candles or the

Breakfast Club are sort of there,

568

:

John Hughes, center of the universe.

569

:

And then it's like you kind

of spring off from there.

570

:

It's then like, oh, you make, you

connect the dots to weird science or you

571

:

connect the, the dots back to vacation.

572

:

Yeah, no, I mean, John Hughes, he was

definitely a name you were aware of

573

:

and you were kind of aware also of like

what kind of movie you could expect?

574

:

Mm-hmm.

575

:

Katie: Cool.

576

:

And why did you choose Mr.

577

:

Mom?

578

:

Craig: Just because it, it's so funny.

579

:

When I went back to watch this

last night, I hadn't watched it in

580

:

probably 20 plus years, and amazing

how I remembered every single beat.

581

:

So I mean, it is just a

movie we watched a lot.

582

:

It was probably on cable a

lot when I was, was a kid.

583

:

And I was just like, well, you know what?

584

:

I haven't seen Mr.

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:

Mom in a long time.

586

:

But it's a, like I said, it's a movie

I knew I basically knew by heart.

587

:

So I was like, oh, that, that'll

be a fun one to talk about.

588

:

And it's also funny too, because

there's people like that, you know,

589

:

Michael Keaton is such an interesting

actor because like for, for a

590

:

lot of people that know him from.

591

:

Batman.

592

:

It's, it like blows their mind

when they go back and see all of

593

:

the pre Batman stuff that he did.

594

:

And, and it, it's interesting

because for me, like Michael Keaton

595

:

was the perfect Bruce Wayne for me.

596

:

I thought he looked the

part and he acted the part.

597

:

And I think one thing that a lot

of superhero movies after Batman

598

:

sort of fell into was like getting.

599

:

The exact actor you'd expect for the film.

600

:

And sometimes it would be like, a

lot of times you're not getting the

601

:

person with the acting chops for it.

602

:

You're getting somebody who's

more like maybe physical or, and

603

:

nowadays it's like Chris Evans can

just go to the gym for 12 weeks and

604

:

get in like Captain America shape.

605

:

But like back then, you weren't

like, they would just build all his

606

:

muscles into the suit and that was it.

607

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

608

:

Craig: yeah, no, it, so it was kind of

the idea to be able to also talk about,

609

:

you know, Michael Keaton before before

Batman, but also now isn't Michael

610

:

Keaton going by his, his, his birth name?

611

:

Katie: Which is what?

612

:

Craig: Michael Douglas?

613

:

Katie: What?

614

:

No way.

615

:

Craig: Yeah.

616

:

Katie: I did not know that.

617

:

Why would any, why that, that there's

a very famous Michael Douglas.

618

:

Why would he do

619

:

Craig: he changed his name,

I guess when he started.

620

:

You know, acting as agent's like, well,

obviously you can't your real name.

621

:

And I guess now he's at a point in his

life where he is like, you know what?

622

:

I want my, I want my name back.

623

:

I kind of feel like I read about

it in the last couple months.

624

:

Like

625

:

Katie: that?

626

:

I can't believe.

627

:

Well, this, you heard it here first.

628

:

You guys on retro made I did not

know that, but I, I was wowed by it.

629

:

I was like, wow.

630

:

He looks so young

631

:

Craig: Well, this

632

:

First lead lead role.

633

:

I think

634

:

Katie: you're right.

635

:

Craig: what, like night?

636

:

Was it night shift?

637

:

Katie: Knight something, but he

wasn't the top build on that.

638

:

This was his first?

639

:

Craig: yeah, that was like a dual,

640

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

641

:

Craig: Him and Henry Winkler, I think.

642

:

Katie: I haven't seen it.

643

:

Craig: think they run I wanna

say they run like a prostitution,

644

:

Katie: Oh, really?

645

:

Craig: It's Ron Howard.

646

:

Yeah.

647

:

I, I haven't seen that

movie in a long time,

648

:

Katie: Okay.

649

:

Craig: I did read that this was like

Michael Keaton's, like first like

650

:

lead, like him carrying a movie.

651

:

Katie: Yeah, and it worked.

652

:

Speaking of which, let's get into Mr.

653

:

Mom.

654

:

It was released August 19th,

:

655

:

this was really interesting.

656

:

The last episode that we did was The Great

Outdoors, the Rating, the Runtime, and

657

:

the IMDB rating are all exactly the same.

658

:

This episode.

659

:

Craig: amazing.

660

:

Katie: Pg Exactly.

661

:

One hour and 31 minutes and a 6.6

662

:

IMDB.

663

:

Craig: Yeah.

664

:

Well, I got, speaking of that one hour,

31 minute, 91 minute running time.

665

:

is the ideal comedy running time.

666

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

667

:

Craig: You'll never

change my opinion on that.

668

:

as much as I love a lot

of comedies from the.

669

:

You know, the Judd Apatow

era, they're all bloated.

670

:

You know, when a, when a comedy gets

to the two hour mark, you really

671

:

have to be delivering the laughs.

672

:

For me, the sweet spot for

comedy, 91 minutes all day.

673

:

Somebody must have felt that

because it's, it's amazing to me

674

:

that like Great Outdoors and Mr.

675

:

Mom are both 91 minute long, minutes long.

676

:

Katie: It's funny, it seems both of

them kind of seem longer than that

677

:

for some reason, but Yeah, a lot.

678

:

You're right.

679

:

The ones that.

680

:

Really that is kind of the, some of

the secret sauce is an hour and a half.

681

:

Yeah.

682

:

Craig: Yeah.

683

:

Well, what what's wild too is like how

much story you can fit into that runtime,

684

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

685

:

Craig: also as you get to the end

of the movie especially with Mr.

686

:

Mom, I was waiting for

particular scene and I'm like,

687

:

wait, the movie's almost over.

688

:

And I'm like, there's six minutes left.

689

:

And like the, the moment I'm

thinking of hasn't happened yet.

690

:

And then I'm like, yeah, well,

'cause credits were like.

691

:

Were like 45 seconds.

692

:

Back then it was like

693

:

Katie: Good point.

694

:

Craig: and your credits would

be like less than a minute, and

695

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

696

:

Mm-hmm.

697

:

Craig: now, like you see if there's

16 minutes left, you're like, oh,

698

:

nine minutes of that is credits.

699

:

Katie: a very good point.

700

:

So the director here I

thought was interesting.

701

:

Stan Otti,

702

:

Craig: yeah.

703

:

Katie: you familiar?

704

:

Craig: No, not at all.

705

:

And it's funny, when, when that

credit came up on the screen,

706

:

I was like, you know what?

707

:

Until just now, I've never thought

about who directed that movie.

708

:

It just wasn't some as a kid,

you don't think about that

709

:

kind of stuff unless it's like,

710

:

Katie: A big name that you Yeah,

711

:

Craig: or Steven Spielberg or something.

712

:

But I was like, if you had held

a gun to my head prior to sitting

713

:

down to watch this movie last

night and asked me who directed Mr.

714

:

Mom, I, I wouldn't be

here for the recording.

715

:

Katie: I would've,

716

:

Craig: He

717

:

Katie: would've guessed.

718

:

Craig: either.

719

:

Katie: No, he doesn't.

720

:

He he also directed the 1989 movie.

721

:

She's Out of Control.

722

:

You know, which is similar enough.

723

:

But he began his career as a director

of TV commercials, so he is responsible

724

:

for the I Love New York campaign.

725

:

Craig: Oh wow,

726

:

Katie: Yeah.

727

:

That's who Stan is.

728

:

Craig: That's amazing.

729

:

That, that is amazing.

730

:

And I also wonder if, and you'll

probably get into this though, like

731

:

this originally started out as like

an Aaron spelling produced TV project.

732

:

So I wonder if that's kind

of how he got looped in.

733

:

I don't know enough about the

development, but I know that it

734

:

was originally developed as like

a, a movie of the week maybe.

735

:

Katie: Yes, a TV spinoff

did come out a year later.

736

:

Craig: Is amazing.

737

:

Katie: yeah, all different people like

Ev it's just nobody is the same from it.

738

:

Craig: I didn't know until last

night when I like started Googling

739

:

and stuff that there was, in

:

740

:

Mom TV show with the it was, the

premise of it was the daughter from

741

:

the first movie was all grown up and,

742

:

Katie: Oh, okay.

743

:

Craig: to join the workforce.

744

:

And her hu it was on MG whatever MG M'S.

745

:

Streaming service was called back in 2019.

746

:

I had no memory of it

747

:

Katie: Was anybody in

it that we would know?

748

:

No,

749

:

Craig: no, I I don't remember

any names jumping out, but.

750

:

Katie: but you're right.

751

:

So according to producer and financier,

Bruce Mcna, Aaron Spelling intended this

752

:

to be a backdoor pilot for prospective

broadcast TV series at some later point.

753

:

And apparently this was pretty common

for networks to create a series based

754

:

on a movie, thereby maximizing their

revenue streams from the same ip.

755

:

Right.

756

:

So, and there was a TV spinoff, but it,

I don't, it was not successful at all.

757

:

The, the movie was that we will

758

:

Craig: was the other thing, Katie, is the

it costs what, like 5 million to make and

759

:

it grossed like over $64 million, which I,

760

:

Katie: almost 60, yeah,

almost $65 million.

761

:

Craig: So I don't even know what the

adjustment for inflation in inflation

762

:

is, but that's probably you know,

half a billion dollars or something

763

:

in, 2025 numbers were dollars.

764

:

That's amazing.

765

:

So this was like, this

was a smash, smash hit.

766

:

Katie: And

767

:

Craig: that they would've

made a, a tried to

768

:

Katie: that's true.

769

:

That is true.

770

:

You were curious about the director,

if that came from this like TV world.

771

:

Craig: Yeah,

772

:

Katie: It, it wasn't, I guess so.

773

:

Stan ended up directing the film

after John Hughes turned it down.

774

:

So they originally wanted John

Hughes to direct it 'cause he

775

:

wrote it, which we'll talk about.

776

:

But since this was a Hollywood movie,

you know, it was set in Detroit

777

:

and I did note that immediately.

778

:

I was like, oh, it's not in Chicago.

779

:

Hmm.

780

:

Therefore it was filmed in

Hollywood and John Hughes.

781

:

Does movies only in Chicago.

782

:

He likes to film in Chicago

and not in Hollywood.

783

:

And then guess who was

originally after that happened?

784

:

Before they landed on Stan?

785

:

Guess who they asked after John

Hughes turned it down to direct

786

:

Craig: Hmm.

787

:

I wanna say maybe like a, like

a John Landis or somebody.

788

:

Katie: Ted iff.

789

:

Craig: Oh my goodness.

790

:

We, we were just

791

:

Katie: We were just talking

792

:

Craig: First Blood, so he was known as

the comedy guy before he made like one of

793

:

the greatest action dramas of all time.

794

:

Katie: and he, and then later,

'cause that was in, what, 82 and

795

:

then weekend at Bernie's was, what is

that late eighties or, I don't know.

796

:

Craig: maybe 86, 87, something

797

:

Katie: interesting.

798

:

So anyway, yeah,

799

:

Craig: how everything

sort of ties together.

800

:

Katie: I was also curious after

watching this, there was so much.

801

:

Seeming licensing requirements in this

movie, but it was made for $5 million.

802

:

Craig: Yeah.

803

:

Katie: had the Rocky Gonna Fly theme.

804

:

They had the Jaws theme.

805

:

There was another big one.

806

:

What am I missing?

807

:

There was another big movie

theme, like music wise in this?

808

:

Yeah.

809

:

Craig: Yeah, it's, it's, that is a

very interesting point, but I also

810

:

think that licensing hadn't gotten

811

:

Katie: Mm

812

:

Craig: as big back then.

813

:

And, and I don't recall, but there

was a period, a very dark period, in

814

:

the early days of DVD where movies

and TV shows would be put out and

815

:

they'd replace all that stuff because

the licensing wasn't captured for

816

:

a format that didn't exist yet.

817

:

Katie: mm.

818

:

Craig: I remember as a big Miami

Vice fan, Vice took a long time to

819

:

come out on DVD I was always worried.

820

:

I'm like, oh my God, when it

comes out on DVD, they're gonna

821

:

have all the music taken off.

822

:

then I think there was like, like

Universal ended up owning like everything

823

:

at, you know, around that time.

824

:

So when, when Miami Vice came out,

I remember they were like all music

825

:

included, and I was like, oh my God.

826

:

But then you also have shows

in Cincinnati, which has a

827

:

lot of stock generic music.

828

:

So I wonder if there was

a period where like Mr.

829

:

Mom, if you got an early DVD of it,

like the Rocky music isn't there?

830

:

Katie: Oh, that's a good point.

831

:

I wonder,

832

:

Craig: Yeah.

833

:

Katie: I, I.

834

:

The other thing I was trying to

think of, young and the Restless is

835

:

Craig: Yeah.

836

:

Katie: huge component of this.

837

:

So so young and The Restless, the

Rocky Music and the Jaws music.

838

:

Alright, you guys.

839

:

So yeah, I said that John Hughes,

obviously, he, he's the writer here.

840

:

This is the second feature

film written by him.

841

:

You know what the first one was?

842

:

Craig: it wasn't vacation.

843

:

Katie: I think it was vacation.

844

:

Yeah.

845

:

The same year.

846

:

I wanna say they both were 83.

847

:

Three.

848

:

Craig: yeah, like maybe 82 or 83 for

849

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

850

:

Yeah.

851

:

So, I would highly

recommend you guys give Mr.

852

:

Mom a rewatch and then come back

and listen to us because it is

853

:

available for free in a ton of places.

854

:

Craig: When I looked at my options to

watch this, I knew it was on YouTube

855

:

and I was like, oh, I can watch a

856

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

857

:

Craig: But yeah, I think it was on Roku.

858

:

It was on Tubi.

859

:

All.

860

:

Yeah.

861

:

So

862

:

Katie: A bunch of those,

863

:

Craig: to, a hard movie to find.

864

:

Katie: but yeah, you're right.

865

:

I did have to put up with the commercials.

866

:

You guys just, I mean, it's a 1983 movie,

so if you don't recall, if it's been a

867

:

minute, we have Jack Butler, who's Michael

Keaton is laid off, and his wife Caroline,

868

:

played by Terry Garr lands a job forcing

him to take on the chaotic world of stay

869

:

at home parenting from grocery store

mishaps to taming a rebellious vacuum.

870

:

Jack's journey from clueless to competent.

871

:

Dad is filled with laughs and heart,

872

:

Craig: Yeah.

873

:

Katie: Mount.

874

:

Craig: you know what's funny about that?

875

:

I, I didn't realize it until watching

it again, that he's furloughed.

876

:

Katie: I was gonna ask you about that.

877

:

Craig: because like furlough,

like I, I like Furloughing

878

:

wasn't really something I about.

879

:

I know every time the government

shuts down, they furlough employees.

880

:

But I experienced the furlough

situation during Covid.

881

:

I was furloughed for 15 months.

882

:

So like that hit me, like as soon as they,

they talked about him being furloughed,

883

:

I was like, I understand this completely.

884

:

Whereas when I was a kid, I just

assumed he had lost his job, but

885

:

it was like, oh, he is furloughed.

886

:

You know?

887

:

So there's the potential to come back.

888

:

Katie: They do kind of interchangeably

use, laid off, fired furlough.

889

:

They kind of, you know, depending

on the situation, on the scene.

890

:

But I was curious because, you know,

when they're in Jeffrey Tambor's

891

:

office and they find out that they

essentially are losing their job

892

:

and he points out, no, technically

893

:

Craig: Yeah.

894

:

Katie: you're being furloughed,

895

:

Craig: Yeah.

896

:

Katie: but he said, you you'll

still, you get a severance.

897

:

And I didn't.

898

:

I didn't, what's the story?

899

:

Did you, did you get a severance?

900

:

Craig: Yeah.

901

:

That doesn't track

902

:

Katie: Yeah.

903

:

Craig: you wouldn't be getting a,

904

:

Katie: Right.

905

:

You, so that's what I was, I

was like, oh, I thought that

906

:

was if you got laid off, but,

907

:

Craig: That for me, that scene

in the office is one of the

908

:

funnier scenes in the movie.

909

:

And it probably wasn't as

funny when I was a kid,

910

:

Katie: mm-hmm.

911

:

Mm-hmm.

912

:

Craig: but you got Christopher

Lloyd in a little baby part.

913

:

I guess he was trying to make

the breakthrough between on

914

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

915

:

Craig: like movies.

916

:

But his reaction, like Jack

walks in the office and he's

917

:

like strangling Jeffrey Tambor.

918

:

And then he threatens to like,

jump out of the the window.

919

:

Like for me, that was, that was funny.

920

:

And then you see Jack's reaction where

he is like, he calms him down and then he

921

:

finds out he's, he's laid off as well and

he almost has the same exact reaction.

922

:

Katie: Well, they drove.

923

:

Craig: Yeah.

924

:

Katie: Oh, they drove, they carpooled

two work together, like from the sub and

925

:

they're like, why didn't you tell us this?

926

:

Craig: kicked

927

:

Katie: Oh, mm-hmm.

928

:

Craig: And Jeffrey Tambor just plays

such a slimy shit in this movie.

929

:

I absolutely loved it.

930

:

And that was my frame of reference

for Ge, for Jeffrey Tambor.

931

:

Like forever.

932

:

Like when Arrested Development came out,

I'm like, oh, it's Jeffrey Tambor from Mr.

933

:

Mom.

934

:

Or like, when Larry Sanders

came out, it's oh, it's, it's

935

:

Jeffrey Tambo from, from Mr.

936

:

Mom.

937

:

So, yeah.

938

:

It's just amazing to see like Christopher

Lloyd though you know, three, you

939

:

know, what, two years before he was

940

:

Katie: back to, yeah.

941

:

Craig: mega movie star with as Doc Brown.

942

:

It's it's a little baby role.

943

:

Like he's what in the beginning

scene of, does he, he doesn't

944

:

even come back for the end.

945

:

His character's mentioned, but he actually

946

:

Katie: It's true.

947

:

Yeah.

948

:

It's just at the beginning.

949

:

He and the other guy, so he's

one of the, so they're all they

950

:

work at this car company Yeah.

951

:

Engineers.

952

:

And they carpooled to work together.

953

:

And I, I knew he was in this, I had

forgotten that Jeffrey Tambo was in it.

954

:

So I was like, oh, sweet.

955

:

I love, he's great.

956

:

And then I was like, Christopher Lloyd.

957

:

They look, well, Jeffrey Tambo always

looks like Jeffrey Tambo, but Christopher

958

:

Lloyd looked, it's like he still

has dark hair and he has some hair.

959

:

Yeah.

960

:

Craig: Yeah.

961

:

Katie: Yeah, so those

guys are in it, obviously.

962

:

Michael Keaton is our lead role here.

963

:

It's his first starring role.

964

:

He plays Jack Butler and his wife is

Carolyn Butler, played by Terry Garr.

965

:

Craig: Yeah.

966

:

Katie: What do you,

what do you, do you have

967

:

Craig: I

968

:

Katie: opinions.

969

:

Craig: I love Terry Garr and, you

know, I can't pinpoint like an exact

970

:

Terry Garr movie but yeah, no, Terry

Garr is just, just a, such a great

971

:

screen presence, and I actually

just discovered in the past year.

972

:

An awesome movie that she did that I

guess is kind of a cult classic now.

973

:

But Francis Ford Coppola made a movie

after the Godfather, after Apocalypse

974

:

Now I think after The Outsiders,

maybe not after The Outsiders, but

975

:

it's called One From The Heart, is an

experimental musical set in Las Vegas.

976

:

Katie: Hmm.

977

:

Craig: a phenomenal movie.

978

:

Terry Garr is so good in it.

979

:

Yeah, if you ever have your have the,

the option to watch one from the Heart

980

:

Katie: Well, Francis Ford Coppola.

981

:

Terry Garr, I'm in.

982

:

Yeah.

983

:

Yeah.

984

:

Craig: well, and the thing about it

is Francis Ford Coppola was like such

985

:

an amazing experimental filmmaker.

986

:

So the, the, I think the big thing

about One from the Heart is like it

987

:

was filmed completely on a sound stage.

988

:

Katie: Hmm.

989

:

Craig: bought the studio that he

re renamed Zoe Tripe or whatever.

990

:

So like you've got, they recreated Fremont

Street in Las Vegas on a sound stage,

991

:

Katie: Oh my God.

992

:

Craig: amazing movie.

993

:

The technical, like the technical

stuff that goes on in that movie

994

:

alone makes it worth watching.

995

:

But yeah, I just I, I had no idea this

movie existed until eight months ago

996

:

or whatever, and I was like, oh my

God, this, and, and it was Terry Garr.

997

:

So it I, it, it brought her back

into my sort of awareness, right.

998

:

You know, right before she died, you know?

999

:

So, yeah.

:

00:41:32,650 --> 00:41:33,490

I love Terry Garris.

:

00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:37,030

She's just such a she's just such

a genuine presence on screen.

:

00:41:37,570 --> 00:41:38,650

Katie: She was really good.

:

00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:41,230

I mean, it's funny she didn't,

'cause like you said, oh,

:

00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:43,030

nothing really is coming to mind,

:

00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:43,450

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:47,980

Katie: you know her, she did, she

didn't win, but she was nominated

:

00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:50,230

for an Oscar for her role in Tootsie,

:

00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:50,800

Craig: Hmm.

:

00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:52,190

Katie: With, who's that?

:

00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:53,150

Dustin Hoffman.

:

00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:54,650

Craig: Hoffman and Jessica Lang.

:

00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:55,040

Yeah,

:

00:41:55,220 --> 00:41:55,580

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:56,330

Craig: yeah, yeah.

:

00:41:56,570 --> 00:41:59,870

Katie: And then she's also very

much known for her role in the

:

00:41:59,870 --> 00:42:02,820

:

:

00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,360

Craig: Oh yeah.

:

00:42:03,365 --> 00:42:03,585

Uhhuh.

:

00:42:03,630 --> 00:42:03,810

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:04,320

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:08,280

Katie: And I know her when, like

when she was a little older, she

:

00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,060

played Phoebe's birth mom on friends.

:

00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:12,570

Yeah.

:

00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,590

So that's Terry Garr.

:

00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:14,190

She's fun.

:

00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:14,760

I like her.

:

00:42:14,935 --> 00:42:15,225

Craig: yeah,

:

00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:19,980

Katie: And then Martin Mole, who I also

adore plays I don't know, this seems kind

:

00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:25,500

of out of, I mean he's skeezy, which is

in character for him, but he plays Ron

:

00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:30,570

Richardson, who's the head of the ad

agency, where Carolyn ends up working.

:

00:42:30,915 --> 00:42:31,205

Craig: yeah.

:

00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:36,840

and that's another whole great sequence

in the movie where they, I guess they

:

00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,290

have an annual, like barbecue party

:

00:42:40,575 --> 00:42:44,055

Katie: The corporate Olympics is

what it was called at his house.

:

00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:47,525

Craig: and everybody, oh, like

everybody on the team, knowingly

:

00:42:47,525 --> 00:42:50,735

throws the event so he can win.

:

00:42:51,115 --> 00:42:55,195

And of course Jack's not on on board with

that until the very last minute when he,

:

00:42:55,885 --> 00:43:01,105

he sort of throws, throws the Olympics

and, you know, like he winks to his wife.

:

00:43:01,405 --> 00:43:02,245

I, I saw that.

:

00:43:02,245 --> 00:43:06,415

That was really, and as a kid that

whole sequence was, was great to watch

:

00:43:06,415 --> 00:43:08,395

the other guys try and sabotage him.

:

00:43:08,395 --> 00:43:09,745

They like, they, they trip him up.

:

00:43:09,775 --> 00:43:14,035

'cause they know that like he

wins it'll be bad for everyone.

:

00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:15,680

Katie: You have to let the boss win.

:

00:43:15,745 --> 00:43:16,135

Craig: Yeah, yeah,

:

00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:16,800

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:43:17,350 --> 00:43:21,010

No, that was really interesting

because this movie did a

:

00:43:21,010 --> 00:43:23,290

good job um, portraying Jack.

:

00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:29,840

He was easily swayed by, or manipulated

by somebody testing his masculinity,

:

00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,670

so to speak, in, in a lot of ways.

:

00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:35,750

So he's, they, they go to this thing,

they're not gonna stay long, and he

:

00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:41,500

says he's not gonna play or he's not

gonna participate in this Olympics race.

:

00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:45,120

But then Martin Mo's character's you

know, he, he easily manipulates him

:

00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,870

by saying something like, oh, well

go, go, you know, go, go hang out

:

00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:50,250

with the other wives or something.

:

00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:52,470

And then he is like, all

right, gimme my sweats.

:

00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:53,490

I'm, I'm in.

:

00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,370

But then he does end up doing the thing.

:

00:43:56,835 --> 00:44:00,375

The supportive thing for his

wife by falling down and throwing

:

00:44:00,375 --> 00:44:01,665

it and kind of winking at her.

:

00:44:01,665 --> 00:44:05,235

And, and then later, you know,

he goes to the strip club with

:

00:44:05,425 --> 00:44:09,205

with some of the ladies, and he's

very, you know, he, he just kind

:

00:44:09,205 --> 00:44:10,615

of goes, he's a really good sport.

:

00:44:10,615 --> 00:44:12,235

It's a male strip club, mind you.

:

00:44:12,545 --> 00:44:15,455

And he's the only man there, and

he, I just thought he did such a

:

00:44:15,455 --> 00:44:20,405

good job, good job of being, it was

very progressive for:

:

00:44:20,405 --> 00:44:22,805

was acting at a male strip club.

:

00:44:23,305 --> 00:44:27,975

So then that gives him another point

in the, you know, sincere, genuine not

:

00:44:28,605 --> 00:44:31,905

your typical eighties, like masculine,

but then Earl, you know, but then

:

00:44:31,905 --> 00:44:36,155

he's oh, I'll be at the gym or the gun

club, you know, so it's, he goes back

:

00:44:36,155 --> 00:44:37,775

and forth like a real person would.

:

00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:38,480

Craig: yeah.

:

00:44:38,570 --> 00:44:38,990

You know what?

:

00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:41,810

That's really interesting

because I didn't think about it

:

00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:43,520

until you just pointed it out.

:

00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,590

But yeah, there's nothing,

they're not punching down in that

:

00:44:48,875 --> 00:44:49,385

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:49,970

Craig: scene.

:

00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,340

Like they didn't go for any

kind of obvious, obvious

:

00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:54,720

jokes or anything like that.

:

00:44:54,750 --> 00:44:58,470

Like he gives this, he gives the guy

the dollar bill and asks where he puts

:

00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:59,910

it and then says, oh no, don't tell me.

:

00:44:59,910 --> 00:45:04,410

But I mean, yeah, there wasn't

any kind of like panic around

:

00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:05,580

the jokes or anything like

:

00:45:05,745 --> 00:45:05,965

Katie: No.

:

00:45:06,210 --> 00:45:06,750

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:45:08,010 --> 00:45:09,150

that's really interesting.

:

00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:13,320

The other thing I wanted to say

that was kind of amazing is this

:

00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,910

is like sort of the start of the,

the, the robot robotic vacuum.

:

00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:18,940

The Roomba did

:

00:45:19,060 --> 00:45:24,010

Katie: Oh, oh, that it was

like a rogue vacuum cleaner.

:

00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:25,230

Good point.

:

00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:25,290

Yeah.

:

00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:27,300

It was like it had a mind of its own.

:

00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:27,660

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:30,630

But then at the end he's got it

on some kind of control, right?

:

00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,000

Katie: Oh, I must have missed that.

:

00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:32,720

Did he?

:

00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:35,180

Craig: when he tells it to

go to the room to clean up.

:

00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:36,830

And that's where the jaws bit

:

00:45:36,985 --> 00:45:37,405

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,110

Craig: the it's funny what the,

the one little boy is making chili.

:

00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:43,540

Katie: Oh, every.

:

00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:44,290

Craig: in itself.

:

00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:47,120

This is, I guess, the scene

where like everything goes to,

:

00:45:47,315 --> 00:45:48,425

Katie: Mass chaos.

:

00:45:48,425 --> 00:45:48,935

Yeah.

:

00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:50,810

Craig: But it's funny he

asked where the vacuum is and

:

00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:52,430

he's like, oh, you mean Jaws?

:

00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:55,880

And then you know, like the

vacuum gets its own like sort of

:

00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,170

establishing shot with the, the

John Williams score and everything.

:

00:46:00,450 --> 00:46:03,420

And then what, there's like

what the, the TV repair person's

:

00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:05,340

there, the bug guy's there.

:

00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:08,710

And then I think there's like

the washing machine goes haywire.

:

00:46:09,175 --> 00:46:13,015

Katie: There were three service

people there at the same time.

:

00:46:13,475 --> 00:46:15,065

The vacuum like eats.

:

00:46:15,135 --> 00:46:18,735

The, the younger sons

whoopee, his blankie,

:

00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:19,380

Craig: yeah,

:

00:46:20,085 --> 00:46:23,325

Katie: it all kind of comes crashing

down with the, the baby coming in.

:

00:46:23,325 --> 00:46:24,465

And she's eating chili?

:

00:46:24,975 --> 00:46:28,080

Craig: The, the TV repair lady's

like you gave a baby chili.

:

00:46:29,085 --> 00:46:29,685

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:46:29,925 --> 00:46:30,975

Oh, oh.

:

00:46:31,155 --> 00:46:32,625

And the washing machine.

:

00:46:32,730 --> 00:46:34,050

Craig: just loads up the washing machine.

:

00:46:34,050 --> 00:46:35,700

He is like, oh, let's

skip all these steps.

:

00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:37,200

And he just puts everything in there.

:

00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,820

yeah, it's, it's funny, like there's

two chaotic scenes in the movie.

:

00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:45,240

There's that sequence, and then also

when he goes food shopping, which is

:

00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:48,350

just like a disaster which is funny

there's the whole sequence where

:

00:46:48,350 --> 00:46:51,320

like he bumps into the lady and she's

like, I've got the right of way.

:

00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:54,860

he's at the deli counter trying to

order ham, and she's like, she rattles

:

00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:56,690

off like six different kinds of ham.

:

00:46:57,250 --> 00:46:58,090

It was just funny.

:

00:46:58,090 --> 00:47:02,890

And, and was interesting to see that

you know, there's still people that

:

00:47:02,890 --> 00:47:05,710

would probably happen to, even today,

:

00:47:06,625 --> 00:47:11,755

Katie: You know, there are people of a

certain age, I've noticed this when an

:

00:47:11,755 --> 00:47:15,415

older man, when his wife passes away,

:

00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:16,660

Craig: doesn't

:

00:47:16,705 --> 00:47:16,735

Katie: I,

:

00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:17,455

Craig: how to do anything.

:

00:47:17,965 --> 00:47:20,575

Katie: he marries immediately.

:

00:47:20,575 --> 00:47:25,285

He finds someone and marries her

because he need, he literally does

:

00:47:25,285 --> 00:47:27,145

not know how to take care of himself.

:

00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:28,600

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:47:28,810 --> 00:47:29,260

Yeah.

:

00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:32,180

Another thing I wanted to hit on, and

I don't know if you have this in your

:

00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:40,770

notes, but, I was surprised at the

amount of, well, Rocky overall the fact

:

00:47:40,770 --> 00:47:45,340

that they talk about as much as they

do, but there's the sequence there's

:

00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:49,510

the sequence where he's talking to

his guys on the line before he's fur

:

00:47:50,060 --> 00:47:50,480

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:50,850 --> 00:47:53,490

Craig: And he says, me and my wife

went to go see a Rocky movie, and he's

:

00:47:53,490 --> 00:47:57,900

obviously just talking 'cause he wants

to, you know, sort of talk about this.

:

00:47:58,540 --> 00:48:00,520

Katie: Inspirational, bit of it.

:

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Craig: Rocky was it?

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00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,940

Katie: One, two, or three.

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'cause yeah.

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00:48:04,915 --> 00:48:05,605

Craig: who did he fight?

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00:48:05,605 --> 00:48:06,625

Did he have a mohawk?

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00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:08,710

Katie: Was his manager dead or alive?

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00:48:08,770 --> 00:48:09,060

Craig: yeah.

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00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:11,200

Katie: He didn't see Rocky.

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00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,100

Craig: And then of course they pay it off

later when he sort of gets back into shape

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00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:16,960

and they do the whole training sequence.

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00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,730

But I thought that was interesting because

they were referencing a pop culture

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00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,700

moment in a movie, which isn't something

was happening a lot at that time.

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00:48:28,585 --> 00:48:30,055

Katie: That's a really good point.

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00:48:30,445 --> 00:48:33,055

And there was a lot of rocky,

like you said, there was a

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00:48:33,055 --> 00:48:34,855

poster, like they used the music.

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00:48:34,855 --> 00:48:36,445

There was so much talk about it.

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00:48:37,345 --> 00:48:43,405

And I wonder, you know, Rocky III had

just come out the year prior if that was

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00:48:43,405 --> 00:48:49,625

probably, I mean, I don't, I wasn't alive

for it, but, a trilogy maybe was rare at

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00:48:49,625 --> 00:48:53,105

that time and it was like becoming this

cultural phenomenon that they started

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00:48:53,105 --> 00:48:55,540

talking about it in movies, I dunno.

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00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:56,150

Craig: yeah.

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00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:56,960

No, absolutely.

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00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,530

I, I just, I just, I thought it was

interesting because now it's so common

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00:49:00,730 --> 00:49:01,150

Katie: Mm-hmm.

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00:49:02,015 --> 00:49:05,735

Craig: Pop culture to be referenced within

movies, but like for me, that jumped out.

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00:49:05,735 --> 00:49:10,655

I was like, wow, that seems

like very, very untraditional

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00:49:10,655 --> 00:49:11,945

for, for that time period.

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00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:14,360

Katie: Indeed.

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00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:15,380

Indeed.

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00:49:15,380 --> 00:49:15,710

Alright.

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00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:17,750

Then we also have the neighbor, Joan.

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00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:23,300

She is like the vixen, divorcee,

very attractive neighbor that, of

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00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:25,160

course is trying to seduce Jack.

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00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,290

She, her name in the movie is Joan.

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00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:29,360

Uh, Julian.

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00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,340

I don't know who, I

didn't know who that was.

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00:49:31,535 --> 00:49:31,985

Craig: yeah.

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00:49:31,985 --> 00:49:37,235

Angelian was kind of, knew, I knew

an Jillian, she was on a show called,

:

00:49:37,235 --> 00:49:43,415

it's a Living, which was like about

cocktail waitresses in a, in a hotel.

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00:49:43,685 --> 00:49:43,975

Katie: Okay.

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00:49:44,165 --> 00:49:49,685

Craig: And I don't really know if she

ever really, I, I think she might've

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00:49:49,685 --> 00:49:54,995

just become more of a, a TV person and

I think she was married to somebody,

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00:49:55,925 --> 00:50:00,725

I wanna say Gerald Raey, maybe I.

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00:50:01,655 --> 00:50:04,565

Like the guy from Major dad, I could be

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00:50:04,595 --> 00:50:05,165

Katie: Okay.

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00:50:05,375 --> 00:50:09,455

Craig: here, but like she married somebody

fa like somebody equally as famous.

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00:50:09,815 --> 00:50:14,375

And then I also think I probably

remember her too, like I believe

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she battled breast cancer.

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00:50:16,415 --> 00:50:21,815

And I think that kind of gave her

like more awareness in people's minds.

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00:50:22,205 --> 00:50:22,805

But she was great.

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00:50:22,805 --> 00:50:23,315

In this movie,

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00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:23,870

Katie: Mm-hmm.

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00:50:24,005 --> 00:50:28,235

Craig: sequence where like the one, the

one neighbor says to her, she's like, he's

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00:50:28,235 --> 00:50:30,635

married and she's like, we both were as

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00:50:30,725 --> 00:50:31,715

Katie: So were we?

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Craig: Yep.

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00:50:33,245 --> 00:50:33,665

Katie: Yeah.

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00:50:33,755 --> 00:50:34,115

Yeah.

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00:50:34,635 --> 00:50:35,925

Yeah, she, she was good too.

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00:50:35,925 --> 00:50:38,265

And then we already talked about

Jeffrey Tambo and Christopher Lloyd.

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00:50:38,295 --> 00:50:40,755

Now the kids again, I, I don't know.

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00:50:40,755 --> 00:50:41,700

I, I.

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00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:44,400

I thought the kids did a really good job,

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00:50:44,570 --> 00:50:44,860

Craig: Yeah.

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00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,450

Katie: the oldest son who,

who we will recognize.

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00:50:48,450 --> 00:50:53,700

He's Alex is the, is the older son

and he's played by Frederick Kohler,

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00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:55,395

Craig: And he was on

Kate and Alley, right?

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00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,160

Katie: chip.

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00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,770

He played Chip on Kate and Ally.

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00:50:58,190 --> 00:51:01,670

And Did you watch the HBO Show?

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00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:02,420

Oz?

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00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:03,860

Craig: Yeah.

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00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:09,200

Katie: He was Andrew Sillinger

or Sillinger, but it's been

:

00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,030

so long since I've seen that.

:

00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:13,580

Who, which character is

that, do you remember?

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00:51:13,610 --> 00:51:14,120

Craig: don't.

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00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:17,090

Katie: But that's a main,

like a pretty main character.

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00:51:17,090 --> 00:51:17,450

So yeah.

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00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:23,250

That's who Frederick Kohler is

Eson Yaffe, or Joffe plays Kenny.

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00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:24,630

That's quite a name.

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00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:25,170

Craig: Yeah.

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00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:25,800

Katie: then

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00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:29,430

Craig: his parents, his dad was Roland

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00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:29,790

Katie: Ro

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00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:30,120

Craig: wanna

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00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:32,400

Katie: Oh, I was gonna, I wondered Okay.

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00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,390

That, that tracks.

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00:51:33,570 --> 00:51:35,310

Craig: a, a Hollywood family.

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00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:40,260

I think Joffe, I want, I want

to say, did he produce the, like

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00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:41,730

the early Woody Allen films?

:

00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:42,840

Maybe, but

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00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:47,140

Katie: Well, we talked to about him on

season one because he directed a Patrick

:

00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:49,030

Swayze movie where he goes to India

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00:51:49,155 --> 00:51:49,875

Craig: Oh, okay.

:

00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:51,030

Katie: city of Joy.

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00:51:51,330 --> 00:51:51,870

Craig: Okay.

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00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:56,550

Yeah, so that kid, he's

a i an early Nepo baby, I

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00:51:56,690 --> 00:51:57,110

Katie: Mm-hmm.

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00:51:58,020 --> 00:51:59,010

Craig: But he was good as well.

:

00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,760

The great scene I've always remembered

is when Michael Keaton is trying

:

00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,210

to get, convince him to finally cut

the cord with his security blanket.

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00:52:07,690 --> 00:52:10,900

And they do like a trial

separation, I guess,

:

00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:11,200

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:52:11,290 --> 00:52:13,960

Craig: not gonna get rid of the blanket,

but he is just gonna hold onto it.

:

00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,630

the kid, like he says very calmly, he's

can I have a moment to myself please?

:

00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:23,330

And that that scene like

always cracked me up as a kid.

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00:52:23,330 --> 00:52:25,679

It still cracked me up as an adult.

:

00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:30,509

Like it just seemed like such a, you

know, he was like maintaining his, he,

:

00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,069

his, his emotions, like he was, was

staying calm, but you could see like

:

00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:37,169

under the surface, he, he needed a minute

:

00:52:37,324 --> 00:52:37,744

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:52:37,949 --> 00:52:38,549

Craig: to deal.

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00:52:39,869 --> 00:52:43,739

Katie: Yeah, the Whoopi was a big

part of this big part of this movie.

:

00:52:44,189 --> 00:52:48,119

The little, the little baby daughter

Megan is played by twins as seen.

:

00:52:48,149 --> 00:52:48,599

Yeah.

:

00:52:48,749 --> 00:52:49,799

Courtney and Brittany White.

:

00:52:50,229 --> 00:52:53,349

Were you familiar with the

music guy, Lee Holdridge?

:

00:52:53,934 --> 00:52:54,894

Craig: Not by name.

:

00:52:54,894 --> 00:52:55,374

No.

:

00:52:55,794 --> 00:53:01,305

Katie: I wasn't either but when I looked,

you will be, he's a Haitian born American

:

00:53:01,305 --> 00:53:06,404

composer, conductor, and orchestra, 18

time Emmy Award nominee, yada, yada, yada.

:

00:53:06,404 --> 00:53:12,704

So he's, he's got some skills, but he

also composed music for Beast Master,

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00:53:12,884 --> 00:53:13,004

Craig: Oh

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00:53:13,274 --> 00:53:18,644

Katie: was like on tv, like

on Loop in the eighties,

:

00:53:18,734 --> 00:53:18,974

Craig: yeah,

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00:53:19,284 --> 00:53:22,704

Katie: As well as Splash, which

is one of my favorite movies.

:

00:53:22,704 --> 00:53:23,994

I loved Flash so much.

:

00:53:24,414 --> 00:53:24,834

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:53:25,104 --> 00:53:30,864

Did I read that Ron Howard was offered

this movie but he did Splash instead?

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00:53:31,414 --> 00:53:32,094

Might be a fact

:

00:53:32,209 --> 00:53:32,719

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:32,929 --> 00:53:34,759

Craig: they didn't, but

they did Splash instead.

:

00:53:34,809 --> 00:53:36,429

So the guy that did music for Splash.

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00:53:36,459 --> 00:53:36,579

Okay.

:

00:53:36,939 --> 00:53:37,209

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:38,169 --> 00:53:44,289

I, you know, not being familiar with

Lee Holdridge, I recognized several

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00:53:44,289 --> 00:53:48,279

points in this movie where the music

really was helpful and effective.

:

00:53:48,759 --> 00:53:51,989

Also, the use of all of the you

know, each moment has, its like

:

00:53:51,989 --> 00:53:53,459

there was like the Olympics.

:

00:53:53,489 --> 00:53:56,369

What's that song that is used for

:

00:53:56,369 --> 00:53:56,969

Craig: Like it was

:

00:53:57,149 --> 00:53:58,439

Katie: Slowmo?

:

00:53:58,689 --> 00:54:01,149

Like the race, the various,

:

00:54:01,209 --> 00:54:02,559

Craig: felt like chariot's a fire

:

00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:03,519

Katie: yes.

:

00:54:03,549 --> 00:54:04,149

Yes.

:

00:54:04,179 --> 00:54:04,659

Craig: Chariot's A

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00:54:04,839 --> 00:54:06,609

Katie: It was, I think, yeah.

:

00:54:06,609 --> 00:54:09,669

And then just to evoke certain emotion.

:

00:54:10,329 --> 00:54:14,529

This movie made me feel it was

a combination of all of that.

:

00:54:15,924 --> 00:54:21,654

The music, the, the way that the house

looked, all of the eighties memorabilia

:

00:54:21,864 --> 00:54:28,374

that I noticed, like the color of the

appliances, they had a trash compactor.

:

00:54:28,834 --> 00:54:34,564

The wood grain station wagon, those

tiny TVs in a, in a kitchen or the port.

:

00:54:34,564 --> 00:54:38,224

It was like a portable little TV that

he had too, that he was moving around.

:

00:54:38,294 --> 00:54:38,584

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:54:38,724 --> 00:54:44,034

Katie: Soap opera culture, like just the

very familiar formulaic nature of it.

:

00:54:44,174 --> 00:54:44,464

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:54:44,514 --> 00:54:45,954

Katie: it wasn't boring.

:

00:54:46,494 --> 00:54:51,164

There was also this standard babysitter

that comes and is so clearly unfit

:

00:54:51,164 --> 00:54:53,834

because of she's like this punk rock girl.

:

00:54:54,074 --> 00:54:55,709

Craig: She's just there to get some money.

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00:54:55,944 --> 00:54:56,064

I.

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00:54:56,114 --> 00:55:01,154

Katie: just the, there's so much of it

and I, I think it took me a minute to

:

00:55:01,154 --> 00:55:04,664

think about why, but I think it was that

combination of those things from the

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00:55:04,664 --> 00:55:06,794

eighties that are familiar and the music.

:

00:55:07,604 --> 00:55:13,184

I felt so at home and I got this comfy,

homey, cozy feeling rewatching this.

:

00:55:13,694 --> 00:55:14,114

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:17,894

And well, and the other funny thing about

it too is there's no, I mean, even though

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00:55:17,894 --> 00:55:21,464

they they sort of set up the marital rift

:

00:55:21,944 --> 00:55:22,214

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:55:22,274 --> 00:55:24,914

Craig: know, you have Joan and then

you have the Martin Mull character, you

:

00:55:24,914 --> 00:55:31,124

know, that are both trying to infringe

on them, but it never got too too heavy.

:

00:55:31,219 --> 00:55:31,639

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:55:31,784 --> 00:55:35,624

Craig: Like you never, you never

truly like worried, you know what I

:

00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:35,989

Katie: Right.

:

00:55:36,014 --> 00:55:39,564

Craig: it's just like the overall

vibe of the movie is just, it,

:

00:55:39,564 --> 00:55:41,544

it's, it's not gonna go that route.

:

00:55:41,574 --> 00:55:43,524

You know, like it's not

gonna get that dark.

:

00:55:43,954 --> 00:55:47,404

So yeah, no, I definitely understand

, what you're saying in terms of like the.

:

00:55:48,999 --> 00:55:51,424

It, it almost wraps you

in your own little webby.

:

00:55:51,934 --> 00:55:52,354

Katie: It.

:

00:55:53,374 --> 00:55:53,974

Good call.

:

00:55:53,974 --> 00:55:54,694

Good call.

:

00:55:55,204 --> 00:55:59,424

Well, to your point a apparently there,

there was a scene in the original

:

00:55:59,424 --> 00:56:06,224

script or a script at some point

where Joan, when she's kissing in the,

:

00:56:06,709 --> 00:56:06,929

Craig: Oh,

:

00:56:07,034 --> 00:56:08,744

Katie: that's a whole

nother in the sequence.

:

00:56:09,134 --> 00:56:10,664

The Yes, the,

:

00:56:10,784 --> 00:56:12,074

Craig: Or imaginary scene.

:

00:56:12,794 --> 00:56:14,594

Katie: that is like a So opera.

:

00:56:14,594 --> 00:56:14,804

Yeah.

:

00:56:14,804 --> 00:56:18,374

She has a negligent on, but I guess

originally it had called for her to

:

00:56:18,374 --> 00:56:21,584

be topless and she was like mm-hmm.

:

00:56:21,644 --> 00:56:23,114

Not for this kind of a movie.

:

00:56:23,114 --> 00:56:23,534

Yeah.

:

00:56:23,684 --> 00:56:28,284

Craig: No, definitely she definitely

knew the script better than some of the

:

00:56:28,329 --> 00:56:28,749

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:56:28,834 --> 00:56:29,604

Mm-hmm.

:

00:56:29,634 --> 00:56:32,034

Craig: been so of place and random

:

00:56:32,084 --> 00:56:37,184

Katie: Even though it was a,

like an imagination sequence.

:

00:56:37,214 --> 00:56:41,644

But yeah, that was I had forgotten

that that kind of a thing was done.

:

00:56:42,304 --> 00:56:44,764

I, I kind of forgot about

that whole sequence.

:

00:56:45,724 --> 00:56:45,964

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:56:45,964 --> 00:56:46,744

No, yeah.

:

00:56:47,149 --> 00:56:50,374

It, it, it's really cool because

there's the point where you realize,

:

00:56:50,404 --> 00:56:52,324

oh, this is like in his head.

:

00:56:53,134 --> 00:56:55,804

Katie: Because it's the young and

restless music that he's watching.

:

00:56:55,804 --> 00:56:57,574

It's very cleverly done.

:

00:56:58,074 --> 00:57:00,574

Craig: It's funny when you're

clued in yeah, no, that, that,

:

00:57:00,574 --> 00:57:02,644

that was, that was a fun sequence.

:

00:57:04,504 --> 00:57:06,904

I think we talked about

every scene in the movie.

:

00:57:07,174 --> 00:57:07,954

Katie: I know, I know.

:

00:57:08,004 --> 00:57:14,414

This was just my, my own question

because I feel like in TV shows

:

00:57:14,414 --> 00:57:17,834

and in movies, there's always a

reference to why is there a limo here?

:

00:57:17,834 --> 00:57:18,524

Who died

:

00:57:18,524 --> 00:57:19,424

Craig: Oh, yeah.

:

00:57:20,914 --> 00:57:22,234

Katie: And I never really got it.

:

00:57:22,234 --> 00:57:23,464

I grew up in the Midwest.

:

00:57:23,494 --> 00:57:25,654

We didn't get a limo for a funeral.

:

00:57:25,654 --> 00:57:27,514

Was that a, is that a thing elsewhere?

:

00:57:28,024 --> 00:57:29,644

Craig: No, not that I could recall.

:

00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:30,129

Yeah.

:

00:57:30,499 --> 00:57:30,979

Katie: Hmm.

:

00:57:31,249 --> 00:57:32,449

You guys let us know.

:

00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:34,459

What's the story with limos and funerals?

:

00:57:34,459 --> 00:57:36,079

Why is that a trope in movies?

:

00:57:36,109 --> 00:57:36,679

I don't know.

:

00:57:37,789 --> 00:57:41,989

I do work in marketing and I always

grew up thinking ad agency culture was

:

00:57:41,989 --> 00:57:46,489

cool, and it's because literally every

movie in the eighties is that around an

:

00:57:46,489 --> 00:57:48,439

ad agency or an ad exec or something.

:

00:57:49,144 --> 00:57:49,564

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:57:49,804 --> 00:57:50,284

You know what?

:

00:57:50,334 --> 00:57:54,024

I wanted to talk to you about this

because I guess like the big breakthrough

:

00:57:54,024 --> 00:57:58,714

for her is like, I guess the, the tuna

company schooner, tuna's, like sales

:

00:57:58,714 --> 00:58:03,544

are down or whatever, and she comes

up with this promotion to reduce the

:

00:58:03,544 --> 00:58:06,484

price of a can of tuna by 50 cents.

:

00:58:07,034 --> 00:58:12,344

Until I guess trouble times are passed,

but like 50 cents per can seems like

:

00:58:12,344 --> 00:58:15,344

a lot because I think like when I

go to buy tuna now, like sometimes

:

00:58:15,584 --> 00:58:18,644

I can get 10 cans for, for $10.

:

00:58:19,094 --> 00:58:19,304

So

:

00:58:19,379 --> 00:58:22,019

Katie: wondered that too,

especially in the eighties.

:

00:58:22,109 --> 00:58:22,289

Craig: yeah.

:

00:58:22,289 --> 00:58:24,929

I'm like, how much was

a can of tuna in:

:

00:58:25,229 --> 00:58:28,109

Katie: She did say it was one of the

more expensive, it must have been like

:

00:58:28,109 --> 00:58:29,819

one of the higher end cans of tuna.

:

00:58:29,819 --> 00:58:34,439

I do not know how much a can of tuna

costs, but FI thought the same thing.

:

00:58:34,439 --> 00:58:39,959

Like a single, if you weren't buying in

bulk in:

:

00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:40,379

Craig: what I mean.

:

00:58:40,379 --> 00:58:43,589

Like I think if, like I went to the

store today to buy tuna, it would be

:

00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:45,959

like a dollar 59 a can or something.

:

00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:51,029

So 40 years ago you'd think that

it wouldn't be a dollar 59 a can.

:

00:58:51,299 --> 00:58:51,809

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

00:58:52,049 --> 00:58:54,269

Craig: just seemed like wild to me.

:

00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:58,659

But it's also funny too,

because it could also clue us

:

00:58:58,659 --> 00:59:02,289

into like how out of touch is.

:

00:59:03,069 --> 00:59:03,369

You know?

:

00:59:03,459 --> 00:59:03,819

You

:

00:59:03,909 --> 00:59:04,239

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:59:04,329 --> 00:59:04,629

Craig: You

:

00:59:04,694 --> 00:59:04,984

Katie: Yeah.

:

00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:08,259

Craig: it's like nobody even

researched what a can of tuna was.

:

00:59:08,259 --> 00:59:12,669

They're like, oh, you know, 50

cents off a can would be a big deal.

:

00:59:12,669 --> 00:59:15,909

Whereas like in:

definitely rang a bell with me.

:

00:59:15,909 --> 00:59:16,899

I was like, wait a minute,

:

00:59:16,899 --> 00:59:18,369

Katie: unless it was that fancy tuna.

:

00:59:18,369 --> 00:59:19,569

I have no idea.

:

00:59:19,569 --> 00:59:19,629

Yeah.

:

00:59:19,924 --> 00:59:24,014

Craig: No, I'm, you know, Jewish guy from

the northeast, so like a tuna melt with

:

00:59:24,014 --> 00:59:25,994

like coleslaw, onion rings and a pickle.

:

00:59:25,994 --> 00:59:27,254

That's that's my go-to.

:

00:59:27,254 --> 00:59:28,754

That's probably my death row meal.

:

00:59:29,504 --> 00:59:31,484

Katie: Oh, not in a million years.

:

00:59:31,914 --> 00:59:35,844

I also liked the trope of how swipes

being, like letting themselves

:

00:59:35,844 --> 00:59:41,394

go and him also, like he grows

a beard and he gains some weight

:

00:59:41,394 --> 00:59:43,734

and he never changes his flannel.

:

00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:44,119

Craig: Yeah.

:

00:59:44,209 --> 00:59:44,559

Uhhuh.

:

00:59:44,574 --> 00:59:45,264

Katie: it was cute.

:

00:59:45,444 --> 00:59:48,714

Craig: also that funny scene where he

like sort of drags them into his world

:

00:59:48,714 --> 00:59:52,974

a little bit, where like he gets like,

instead of bridge, they play poker and

:

00:59:52,974 --> 00:59:55,204

they're using coupons instead of money,

:

00:59:55,354 --> 00:59:55,954

Katie: Yes.

:

00:59:55,954 --> 00:59:57,394

That was so funny.

:

00:59:57,514 --> 00:59:57,934

Yeah.

:

00:59:57,994 --> 00:59:58,624

Also,

:

00:59:58,864 --> 01:00:01,504

Craig: and raise you two tender

vittles, you know, or whatever.

:

01:00:02,014 --> 01:00:03,034

Katie: couponing.

:

01:00:03,154 --> 01:00:04,774

Do people use coupons now?

:

01:00:04,774 --> 01:00:06,454

Is that a thing that people do?

:

01:00:07,234 --> 01:00:10,414

Craig: Well, I know I for me,

I have an app for like Smiths

:

01:00:10,864 --> 01:00:11,464

Katie: Okay.

:

01:00:11,734 --> 01:00:14,164

Craig: you know, you can clip

digital deals or whatever.

:

01:00:14,524 --> 01:00:14,704

Katie: Did.

:

01:00:14,704 --> 01:00:15,094

Yeah.

:

01:00:15,094 --> 01:00:16,324

Same with Sprouts.

:

01:00:16,504 --> 01:00:16,984

Yeah.

:

01:00:17,074 --> 01:00:17,614

Okay.

:

01:00:17,914 --> 01:00:20,184

Craig: But yeah, the whole

idea of clipping coupons

:

01:00:20,184 --> 01:00:21,479

and stuff probably isn't as.

:

01:00:22,284 --> 01:00:23,004

Prevalent today.

:

01:00:23,004 --> 01:00:25,704

Like people that didn't live

through it would probably be

:

01:00:25,704 --> 01:00:26,664

like, what are they doing?

:

01:00:27,749 --> 01:00:33,514

Katie: I worked at a grocery store that on

certain days was triple coupons and, but

:

01:00:33,514 --> 01:00:37,384

we didn't, this was in the nineties and it

was kind of an old school grocery store.

:

01:00:37,474 --> 01:00:38,884

I had to type it in

:

01:00:39,004 --> 01:00:39,544

Craig: yeah,

:

01:00:39,724 --> 01:00:42,034

Katie: people like, we

couldn't just scan the code.

:

01:00:42,334 --> 01:00:44,644

So I had, people would come

with this stack and it would

:

01:00:44,644 --> 01:00:46,504

take, I'm like 10 king, but

:

01:00:46,654 --> 01:00:47,224

Craig: yeah,

:

01:00:47,284 --> 01:00:52,534

Katie: would save like $200 off their

bill, like if they had a huge cart.

:

01:00:52,864 --> 01:00:53,674

Also

:

01:00:53,794 --> 01:00:54,904

Craig: have sprouts out there, huh?

:

01:00:55,114 --> 01:00:55,444

Katie: Uhhuh.

:

01:00:55,444 --> 01:00:56,464

Yeah, that's my primary.

:

01:00:56,524 --> 01:00:59,884

Craig: Las Vegas, and it Sprouts was

a new thing for me when I moved here.

:

01:01:00,169 --> 01:01:00,829

Katie: Oh yeah.

:

01:01:00,829 --> 01:01:01,219

Same.

:

01:01:01,219 --> 01:01:02,419

'cause I, it, yeah.

:

01:01:02,419 --> 01:01:04,369

We don't, Nebraska does not have them.

:

01:01:05,044 --> 01:01:10,474

I did wanna also share, I had forgotten

about this until I saw the laundry scene.

:

01:01:11,014 --> 01:01:13,444

It's like a, it was,

was it brown or green?

:

01:01:13,444 --> 01:01:16,384

But it was one of those

late seventies colors.

:

01:01:16,414 --> 01:01:17,644

Craig: like that avocado green.

:

01:01:17,644 --> 01:01:18,484

I think it was brown though.

:

01:01:18,979 --> 01:01:24,799

Katie: Yeah, well, so he shoves as much

as he possibly can in the machine, and he

:

01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:30,109

thinks he's being smart by mixing a bunch

of various types of both the softener

:

01:01:30,109 --> 01:01:32,659

and the detergent and something else.

:

01:01:32,659 --> 01:01:33,769

I don't even know what it was.

:

01:01:33,789 --> 01:01:34,209

Craig: Mm-hmm.

:

01:01:34,579 --> 01:01:39,079

Katie: And then of course, the

machine, you know, is jumping around.

:

01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:42,009

It's, it's off balance and it

pulls the the water hoses off.

:

01:01:42,009 --> 01:01:44,109

And so then it's, that's

part of the chaos scene.

:

01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:44,529

Craig: Yeah.

:

01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:49,019

Katie: It reminded me of when I

was little and I think at this

:

01:01:49,019 --> 01:01:52,709

time we had the harvest gold

appliances in our kitchen still.

:

01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:56,549

So was probably in the eighties

and I thought I was being helpful

:

01:01:56,609 --> 01:01:58,919

by starting the dishwasher,

:

01:01:58,949 --> 01:01:59,169

Craig: Oh.

:

01:01:59,329 --> 01:02:01,279

Katie: but I put hand wash.

:

01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:05,419

I didn't realize there was a

difference between dishwasher detergent

:

01:02:05,689 --> 01:02:07,879

and like dawn, like handwashing

:

01:02:08,044 --> 01:02:09,274

Craig: Hows did it get?

:

01:02:09,904 --> 01:02:14,554

Katie: There was like a foot in the

kitchen, like a foot of uds, and,

:

01:02:14,584 --> 01:02:14,944

Craig: goodness.

:

01:02:15,094 --> 01:02:18,544

Katie: but I thought I was, I was

trying to be helpful and screwed it up.

:

01:02:18,544 --> 01:02:19,444

So, yeah.

:

01:02:19,534 --> 01:02:20,014

Craig: funny.

:

01:02:21,594 --> 01:02:25,524

Katie: Well, Craig, I feel

like, I don't know, I really,

:

01:02:25,524 --> 01:02:27,294

really enjoyed re-watching Mr.

:

01:02:27,294 --> 01:02:27,594

Mom.

:

01:02:27,644 --> 01:02:27,974

Craig: Same.

:

01:02:28,274 --> 01:02:31,754

Katie: like I said, it, it just brought

me this very comforting feeling.

:

01:02:32,174 --> 01:02:35,024

But it is time now to return

to present day reality until

:

01:02:35,024 --> 01:02:36,404

the next retro made episode.

:

01:02:36,954 --> 01:02:39,474

Do you have any closing

thoughts, Craig, on Mr.

:

01:02:39,474 --> 01:02:41,549

Mom, before we head out?

:

01:02:41,649 --> 01:02:48,694

Craig: just like, it's just a nice

sort of feel good 91 minute escape.

:

01:02:50,704 --> 01:02:56,449

and it, you know, it's a little sort of

time capsule back to the, the pre-internet

:

01:02:56,449 --> 01:02:58,399

days, which was something I thought about.

:

01:02:58,399 --> 01:03:01,219

I was like, wow, he's existing in

this house with these kids with

:

01:03:02,389 --> 01:03:05,899

tv because he can't just open up

Netflix and watch whatever he wants.

:

01:03:05,899 --> 01:03:09,199

So he's got to, he has no choice but

to watch the young and the restless.

:

01:03:10,099 --> 01:03:10,759

it was cool.

:

01:03:10,759 --> 01:03:15,799

It was cool taking a trip back and sort

of remembering life before technology, you

:

01:03:15,799 --> 01:03:18,288

know, changed, you know, our day to day.

:

01:03:19,864 --> 01:03:20,434

Katie: Indeed.

:

01:03:20,434 --> 01:03:21,724

Yeah, the, at first.

:

01:03:21,754 --> 01:03:23,014

So we see him make a turn.

:

01:03:23,014 --> 01:03:24,814

At first he's like, who would watch this?

:

01:03:25,294 --> 01:03:27,904

And then by the end of it, he's

like, calling the neighbor and

:

01:03:27,904 --> 01:03:29,584

they're like, whose baby is it?

:

01:03:29,614 --> 01:03:30,754

No, it couldn't be his.

:

01:03:31,114 --> 01:03:33,534

Craig: And then he's like, but

he had a vi a vasectomy, and

:

01:03:33,534 --> 01:03:34,974

then he's like, it didn't take,

:

01:03:35,454 --> 01:03:36,413

Katie: And it was Victor.

:

01:03:36,413 --> 01:03:39,594

I mean, it was the actual young and the

wrestlers episodes that they were playing.

:

01:03:39,594 --> 01:03:41,484

I'm like, I know these characters.

:

01:03:42,384 --> 01:03:43,224

Craig: So funny.

:

01:03:43,284 --> 01:03:44,064

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:03:44,274 --> 01:03:46,314

Well, tell us where we

can where we can find you.

:

01:03:46,374 --> 01:03:47,994

And what's your, what's the next episode?

:

01:03:48,459 --> 01:03:48,749

Craig: Okay.

:

01:03:50,364 --> 01:03:50,934

goodness.

:

01:03:51,204 --> 01:03:56,234

So you can find me if you just go to

your podcast, catcher of Choice or

:

01:03:56,234 --> 01:04:00,554

just in Google, just if you type the

Goat de Palma, the show will come up.

:

01:04:00,614 --> 01:04:01,814

You can find that.

:

01:04:02,214 --> 01:04:06,324

I'm very, very, very behind on the

show, so I'm literally recording

:

01:04:06,324 --> 01:04:09,634

episodes very close to release.

:

01:04:09,819 --> 01:04:10,239

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:04:10,264 --> 01:04:13,204

Craig: for the next episode, which

I'm not sure when this is gonna drop.

:

01:04:13,264 --> 01:04:13,534

Katie: Pretty.

:

01:04:13,534 --> 01:04:14,254

I'm same.

:

01:04:14,254 --> 01:04:15,889

I'm very behind, so everything, yeah.

:

01:04:15,889 --> 01:04:19,639

Craig: so I, I normally re release

episodes every other Tuesday.

:

01:04:19,879 --> 01:04:28,099

So the next episode will either be, early

pre theatrical de Palmer, where I'll

:

01:04:28,099 --> 01:04:34,699

look at the short films he made, I'll be

looking at his first film, murder Al Ma.

:

01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:41,139

But either way that's coming down the

line and it will be a solo episode.

:

01:04:41,139 --> 01:04:45,099

I also have some great stuff

lined up, but also I'm really

:

01:04:45,099 --> 01:04:47,299

proud of some episodes I've done.

:

01:04:47,299 --> 01:04:54,684

Recently I did an episode with filmmaker

Pete Gelder Blum who to get too.

:

01:04:55,994 --> 01:04:57,104

In the weeds here.

:

01:04:58,454 --> 01:05:03,224

watched the De Palmer movie, raising

Kane with John Lithgow discovered

:

01:05:03,224 --> 01:05:07,154

that it was edited differently

than the script and went and made a

:

01:05:07,154 --> 01:05:11,264

director's cut, or made a, an edit

based on de Palmer's original script.

:

01:05:11,804 --> 01:05:18,044

And when they were releasing it on home

video, de Palmer had found Pete's edit.

:

01:05:18,044 --> 01:05:21,464

And he was like, yeah, this, the only

way I'm gonna sign off on this is if

:

01:05:21,464 --> 01:05:23,444

you include Pete's edit of my movie.

:

01:05:23,444 --> 01:05:27,614

And it has since been called like the

alternate, you know, quote unquote

:

01:05:27,614 --> 01:05:29,714

director's cut, which is just amazing.

:

01:05:29,714 --> 01:05:34,724

So being able to sit down with Pete go

through the whole process of how it came

:

01:05:34,724 --> 01:05:36,584

to be is pretty, pretty interesting.

:

01:05:36,584 --> 01:05:36,824

But

:

01:05:36,874 --> 01:05:38,194

Katie: That was an interesting episode.

:

01:05:38,194 --> 01:05:39,184

I very much enjoyed it.

:

01:05:39,439 --> 01:05:39,619

Craig: you.

:

01:05:39,619 --> 01:05:43,419

And then also a movie I never thought

I'd talk about was Bonfire The Vanities,

:

01:05:43,419 --> 01:05:44,919

which I sat down with Ryan about.

:

01:05:45,369 --> 01:05:51,279

And in the next couple of months, I'm also

gonna revisit a movie I never thought I

:

01:05:51,279 --> 01:05:53,589

would talk about on the show, which is.

:

01:05:55,224 --> 01:05:59,424

is the Black Dahlia, which

is a movie I do not like.

:

01:05:59,634 --> 01:06:03,413

So I'm interested in sitting down and

watching that again, because a potential

:

01:06:03,413 --> 01:06:07,314

guest was like, yeah, I wanna talk

about the Black Dahlia and here's why.

:

01:06:07,674 --> 01:06:10,224

And I was like, oh my God, I think

I have to revisit this movie.

:

01:06:10,224 --> 01:06:10,584

So,

:

01:06:10,634 --> 01:06:11,864

Katie: Is that a de Palmer?

:

01:06:11,894 --> 01:06:13,814

Is that de is it okay?

:

01:06:14,264 --> 01:06:16,634

Craig: So, some interesting

thig things down the pike.

:

01:06:16,634 --> 01:06:19,474

But yeah, if you're at all

interested in, in film definitely

:

01:06:19,474 --> 01:06:20,584

give it a, give it a look.

:

01:06:20,584 --> 01:06:21,424

The Goat de Palmer.

:

01:06:21,424 --> 01:06:27,244

If you google that, you'll find it, like I

said in your podcast, catcher of Choice.

:

01:06:27,244 --> 01:06:30,444

But thank you so much for allowing

me to plug my show and bringing

:

01:06:30,444 --> 01:06:32,094

me on and, and talking this movie.

:

01:06:32,094 --> 01:06:34,404

I always enjoy guesting on people's shows.

:

01:06:34,854 --> 01:06:35,904

Katie: Anytime.

:

01:06:36,144 --> 01:06:39,734

And if you are watching or listening

and you are enjoying this episode,

:

01:06:40,124 --> 01:06:41,324

you know what I'm gonna ask?

:

01:06:41,384 --> 01:06:42,163

You can email me.

:

01:06:42,163 --> 01:06:45,554

I do wanna hear from you, so email

me Retro Made podcast@gmail.com.

:

01:06:45,944 --> 01:06:50,264

You can comment on YouTube or Facebook,

or if you wanna be the ultimate fan,

:

01:06:50,264 --> 01:06:52,214

I would very much appreciate a review.

:

01:06:52,304 --> 01:06:54,644

It does help more retro

fans find the show.

:

01:06:54,944 --> 01:06:58,604

But until next time, be kind, rewind.

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