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22nd Oct 2025

Dutch | S2E17 (lesser known Hughes Thanksgiving road trip movie)

Today we’re heading back to 1991 to revisit Dutch—to get us in the mood for Thanksgiving!

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Katie:

Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we're gonna head back to 1991

to revisit Dutch, and this is to

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get us in the mood for Thanksgiving.

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And I am solo again today

because guess what guys?

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Dutch is not readily available to stream

either, and this poor guest who will come

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on for another episode, I promise you'll

hear from him, but he picked two in a

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row that just so happened to not have

streaming capabilities for these movies.

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So yes, I watched Dutch from library

again, and this time it didn't skip on

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me, so I got to watch the whole movie.

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I had seen it before though, but I

didn't really remember a lot of it.

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So you're stuck with me.

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If you're new to Retro Made welcome.

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We like to go back to the eighties

and nineties in these themed seasons.

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We have a little time capsule

setting the stage in the form

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of trivia questions this season.

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And, we're heading through the

John Hughes catalog, so Dutch.

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Is what we're covering today.

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If you have come to Retro Made via the

Director's Cheer Network, welcome Again.

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Like I said, I'm glad to have you here.

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You can check out all the other John

Hughes movies as well as go back to

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the back catalog from season one where

I covered Kurt Russell and Patrick

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Swayze, the Ultimate Every Man.

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We've got Michael Mann,

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I know I am missing some, just off the

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Alright, without further ado, let's

open the time capsule from:

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You guys, if you feel like we've

covered 91 before, you are correct.

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We have currently Sue as

well as career opportunities.

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We're both from 1991 on

this John Hughes season.

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So I am going to cherry pick the

categories that we did not land

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on when we spun the time capsule

wheel for those two episodes.

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Let's do maybe commercial countdown.

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Okay, you guys, this one is a soda

brand launched a wildly successful

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commercial featuring a supermodel

who steps out of a red Lamborghini to

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grab a drink from a vending machine,

turning the heads of two young boys.

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What was the soda brand

and who was the supermodel?

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I can picture her outfit.

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And that hair is coming

back from the nineties.

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That, that, that big blown out hair.

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It's Cindy Crawford and it's Pepsi.

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That's, that's correct.

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Hmm.

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Here's a soap brand.

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Ran commercials featuring the slogan.

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Aren't you glad you use blank?

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Don't you wish everybody did?

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Continuing a campaign that had started

in the eighties but remained one of the

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most recognizable ad lines of the year.

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This is in 91.

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It was a soap brand.

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You guys, aren't you glad you use blank?

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It's dial soap.

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That is the correct answer.

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Okay.

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The stars and scandals are interesting.

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Let's see.

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Okay.

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In 91.

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What actors shocked fans when he

accidentally shot himself in the

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leg while filming the movie's.

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Gonna give it away.

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The doors later.

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Blaming the incident on staying in

character as Jim Morrison Al Kilmer.

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Now it does say here, this was

a widely rumored at the time,

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but Kilmer later clarified that

it was Dramaticized for effect.

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But this story still

made the rounds in:

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which rap artist had his public image

scrutinized in 91 after being arrested

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for allegedly beating a parking lot

attendant in Hollywood, leading to

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a high profile court appearance.

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I actually don't think I remember this.

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It is Vanilla Ice, AKA Robert Van Winkle.

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Here is a frequent tabloid person in 91.

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I guess we'll call him an action

star, for lack of a better phrase.

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He was arrested after a bizarre incident

at a Tucson bar involving verbal

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threats and possession of a controlled

substance just months after his film.

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If I name the film, it will give

it away, but he had one of his

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films just had just hit theaters.

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Is this ringing a bell with anybody?

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If not, the film is out for justice.

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Who is this action star in Heavy

quotations, says Katie, Steven Egal.

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Yep.

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And this is just one of many, but

this one was particularly from 91.

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This dude was frequently in the

tabloids that year, I guess, due to

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offscreen behavior and legal drama.

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Yes.

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We were glad to be rid of the egal.

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Let's see back in the headlines.

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These are some easy ones.

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I think.

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In December, this historic political

entity officially dissolved,

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making the end of an era and

shifting global geopolitics.

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What was it,

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the historic political entity

that you are looking for.

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Yes.

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The Soviet Union officially

dissolved in December of:

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Shit takes a while.

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All right.

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In early 91, a coalition of countries

led by the US launched Operation

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Desert Storm to liberate this nation

after its invasion of a neighboring

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country name the invaded country.

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Which country was invaded Kuwait.

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Who remembers that Operation Desert Storm.

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91 Man.

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And then, which South African political

leader was released from prison in 91.

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Paving the way for the end of apartheid

and eventual election as president.

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Of course, it's Nelson Mendel.

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That was the giveaway.

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Let's see, is there anything else?

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Ooh, the boombox Bangers, you guys.

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Oh, there's some good ones.

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91.

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Billboard Top five charts.

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Number one hit from the 91 film.

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Robin Hood, prince of Thieves

starring Kevin Costner was a massive

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power ballad song by Brian Adams.

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What was the name of this song?

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Easy.

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Easy.

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Easy.

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Everything I do, I do it for you.

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It is so good.

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But who got so sick of it?

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Yeah, it's like I, I almost

never hear it anymore.

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Even on like throwback channels

'cause it got played out.

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In 91.

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This is the number two song, Martha

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Wash.

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Hmm.

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Who's Martha Wash maybe.

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Hmm.

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Interesting.

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Martha Wash famously provided the powerful

uncredited vocals for the chorus of

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which hit song by CNC Music Factory.

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What was the name of this song?

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It looks like there was some drama maybe.

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Martha Wash versus CNC Music Factory.

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She won lawsuits against groups like that

for failing to provide vocal credits.

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Okay, so yes, it says uncredited vocals.

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So there must have been a lawsuit.

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This must have happened

to her a few times.

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And by CNC Music Factory.

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Oh, no, you guys also, I don't even know

who Martha Wash is, but it is gonna make

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you sweat and Princess everybody Dance.

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Now, that was the number two song in 91.

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It is a really good song.

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One of my favorites from back in the

day has the number three song, Paula

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Abdul, and there's a famous actor

who's in the video inspiration from

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a 1955 film Rubble without a Cause.

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That was, I, I almost wanna

say it was black and white too.

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This video what was the name of the song?

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Keanu Reeves is the

actor I was referring to.

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I don't know if that is helping you come

to the, the answer that is Rush Rush.

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91.

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All right, number four.

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The r and b group Color Me Bad.

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Oh, I loved them back in the day

for all of their two songs that

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they had, but this one was a hit

originally featured on the soundtrack

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for the Crime Drama New Jack City.

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I don't think I knew that.

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What was the name of this song?

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I Wanna Sex You Up and it is so good.

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I can still picture myself like

listening to the tape in a boombox in a

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friend's car because the tape deck must

have broken or something in her car.

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Anyway, we were riding around

town with the boombox jamming

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to I Wanna Sex you up by color.

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Me Bad.

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All right, the last one,

I don't think I would get.

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It wouldn't just come to me.

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But here's your clue, everyone.

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Which 1991 Freestyle Ballad by artist

Timmy T was written and produced

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by him after breaking up with a

girlfriend and went on to become

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a number one hit on the billboard.

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Hot 101 more try by Timmy T.

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Is that a one hit wonder?

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This dude does not look familiar to me.

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Okay, there you go.

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There is your top five

Billboard hits from:

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Also.

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That concludes this portion of

the time capsule on Retro Made.

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Alright, let's get into Dutch from 1991.

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It is pg.

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It was released in the summer.

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But it is a Thanksgiving movie, or

at least it's set over Thanksgiving.

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And it has a 6.5

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on IMDB.

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This is on the John Hughes season,

and as we've covered a number

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of times now, he did not direct

this, Peter Fain directed this.

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Does anyone know Peter Fain?

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And Fain is F-A-I-M-A-N.

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He's Australian.

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He.

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And he is also known for Crocodile Dundee.

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Shocking.

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But I love that movie.

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I love that.

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I mean, so that's like one of

my favorite eighties movies.

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And also, the Dawn Lane Show, and I

didn't know what this is, but any of

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you, Aussies will probably, it was

a talk show that ran from 75 to 82.

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So Peter Famine, that's who he is.

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But yes, of course our writer is John

Hughes and I did learn that at one

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point he was considering directing

it, but then he reconsidered because

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of its similarities to his other hit

film, planes, trains and Automobiles,

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which is another Thanksgiving movie.

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It revolved around two characters

who at first really don't like

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each other and go on a road trip to

get back to Chicago after having a

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bunch of setbacks, which included a

destroyed, burnt car being robbed,

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et cetera, with a happy resolution.

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So in essence, this film is a

sequel or remake to that film,

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minus the trains and planes.

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That is interesting.

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We will be covering planes,

trades, and automobiles.

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That's probably gonna be the next episode,

so I'll have to give that a rewatch.

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I don't know it by heart, but it's

interesting because when I was

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rewatching Dutch, last week, that

is not the movie that came to mind.

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And I will get into what

movie came to mind immediately

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once I started watching this.

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And I am so curious.

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Who else had the same thought?

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You will have to email me.

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So if it has been a minute or

two since you've seen Dutch.

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The description is to get to

know his girlfriend's son,

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a working class good guy.

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Volunteers to pick him up from his

prep school, only to learn that

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he isn't the nicest young man.

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So who are our cast of characters here?

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The bratty kid is Ethan Embry,

he plays Doyle Standish.

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And I will say at this time,

he wasn't going by Ethan Embry.

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He was going by Ethan Randall.

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He's done a lot of things I most

recently know him from, he plays

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one of either Grace or Frankie's

kids on the show, grace and Frankie.

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That's actually a really quite good show,

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but also Empire Records.

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Anyone?

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Ethan Embry, he's in a lot of things.

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And then of course Ed

O'Neill plays Dutch Dooley.

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Ethan Embry.

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So the kid I would say

he's like junior high age.

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It doesn't explicitly say, I don't think.

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But so he plays Doyle Standish.

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He's the bratty kid that is in a, like,

out of town boarding school, and Dutch

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is gonna go pick him up and do this road

trip back to Chicago for Thanksgiving.

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Dutch Dooley is Ed O'Neill.

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Love Ed O'Neill.

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Everyone knows him probably best

from playing Al Bundy, right?

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Married with children Al Bundy.

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And then he also actually, I don't

know, is Modern family still on?

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I doubt it, but anyway, modern

Family, he's in that as well.

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So I love Ed at O'Neill.

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I find him very charming

in everything he does.

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So I, I welcomed rewatching this

movie partially because of him.

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Now the girlfriend Doyle's

mother and Dutch's girlfriend

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is played by Joe Beth Williams.

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She wasn't super familiar to me, but

she probably is to a number of you.

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She was nominated for an Oscar

for a short film on Hope.

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I'm unfamiliar with this, but hey, you

know, nominated for an Oscar and she's

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probably most known for Poltergeist,

also The Big Chill Kramer versus

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Kramer and, oh, all of you stopper.

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My moms shoe fans out there.

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I believe she, did she

play The Love Interest?

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Did she play Slys Love interest in that?

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So that is Joe Beth Williams.

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And then we just recently talked

about Christopher McDonald because

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he was in the flubber episode.

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He plays kind of the dickish

sort of antagonist we kind of

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talked about on that episode.

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Is there an antagonist?

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You know, is there one.

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Question mark.

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So he must have a good working

relationship with Hughes because I feel

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like there might even be a third one

that I can't think of that he's in.

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But he plays the dad, so the ex-husband

and this bratty kids dad, Reed Standish.

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And then we have these two young

women that are in like a sports

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car that we'll talk about later.

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I am not a car person.

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I could recognize that it was either

a Camaro or TransAm or Firebird.

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One of those, one of those cars.

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So there's two young women that we

find out are, they call themselves,

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call girls prostitutes and strippers,

like all three of those things.

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So the one who drives the car,

her name apparently is Halle, even

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though it's not said in the movie.

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And then the other, the passenger, her

friend her character's name is Brock

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and she is mentioned, but these two

ladies are played by, so Brock is Ari

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Meyers, and she did look familiar to me.

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She's the more innocent one.

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She played one of the kids on Kate

and Ally, and that does track now that

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I, now that I see, that I can see it.

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And her very first role was playing

Al Pacino's stepdaughter on Author.

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Author.

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And then, so the other one, the more

street smart of these ladies is Halle,

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and she's played by Elizabeth Daley,

but I think her stage name is EG Daley.

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And she is an actress and a singer.

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And she's got a lot of voice work.

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So she's, kind of famous in that world.

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So classics like Dottie in PeeWee's,

big adventure to Valley Girl.

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And when I saw her, I couldn't place her.

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I was like, oh my God.

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She's, she's very specific.

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Both the combination of her look

and her voice are very specific.

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And I was like, God, what do I, I know

I've seen her, I just can't place it.

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She is in the episode of smelly Cat.

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Remember on Friends when Phoebe

sings Smelly Cat and she must have

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been like old partners with Phoebe.

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Where Phoebe teaches her to

play on the guitar smelly cat.

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And she's kind of trying to convince

Phoebe to, I think she's like, oh,

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you know, you could really use this.

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You could sell it.

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It could be for cat litter or whatnot.

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And Phoebe's like, no, no, no, no.

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You know, she doesn't, she's like,

don't ruin it with capitalism.

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And then I think this, this

gal screws Phoebe over again.

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So anyway, that's her.

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She is also the voice.

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of , Tommy Pickles from Rugrats

Buttercup from the Power Puff Girls,

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babe from Babe Pig in the city.

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Young Mumble from the Academy

Award-winning Happy Feet.

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She does have a very interesting voice.

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So that is EG Daley playing

a prostitute in Dutch.

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All right, we have a homeless woman.

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That talks to Doyle when they're all

like kind of trying to sleep and she

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has a little bit of a bigger part

in it, in a little, a little while.

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And her, the woman who plays

her is El Scott Caldwell.

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She looks very familiar and she went on

later to play Rose in the TV show, lost,

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as well as a lot of single episodes of tv.

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She had a recurring role in

judging Amy and the Secret

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Life of the American teenager.

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Now she's a main character on a

new-ish Apple plus TV show with

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Vince Vaughn called Bad Monkey.

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I have not seen this, but be on

lookout for El Scott Caldwell in that.

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And then one more person

that we should talk about.

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Partially just 'cause her background

is, is kind of, interesting.

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She's credited as Gritz, but I don't

know if we ever know her name in the

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movie, but that's the character's name.

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And she's played by Kathleen Freeman

and her parents were v villains.

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So she made her debut at age two in

their act and she also did a lot of

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voice work, including in there is a

connection with Ed O'Neill in Married

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with Children, where she was the voice

of Pegs Monstrous, but never seen Mother.

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You guys remember those episodes.

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And then she was also memorable as

Sister Mary Stigmata the Penguin,

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Dan Aroy and John Belushi's nemesis

in the Blues Brothers from:

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That is Kathleen Freeman.

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The music was pretty good in this meaning,

I guess I should say it did its job.

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The cues were on point to help guide

us as to how we should be feeling.

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Alan Sylvestri, who is an incredible

composer, he works a lot with Robert

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Zume, who I love from the eighties.

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So such works as who Framed Roger

Rabbit, romancing The Stone Back to

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The Future, force Gump, et cetera.

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Also Predator, the Avengers Films.

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And we talked about him last season

in the Overboard episode because he

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composed the music for Overboard.

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So there we go.

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Award wise, we do get a young

artist award for Ethan Re's starring

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role here, which is interesting.

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Yeah, he was good.

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I mean, sure.

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Why not?

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I do like Ethan Embry as an actor.

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I just don't know.

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He was fine.

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He did his job in that.

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We hated him at first and we

did warm up to him by the end.

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So there you go.

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Ethan Embry.

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This movie had a budget.

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Okay, so this is, this is

perhaps why they haven't bothered

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keeping this movie on streaming.

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I feel like it was on streaming like

even last year around Thanksgiving

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or two years ago, but it isn't at

least available in the US to stream.

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Partially maybe because it had a budget

of $17 million and it only grossed $4.6

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million worldwide.

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Yikes.

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Right.

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So, we'll, we'll talk about a little

bit, a little bit of fun poked at that

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by, by some of the actors in this.

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We will get to that in some of the trivia.

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I kind of just skipped over the IMDB.

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It is a 6.5,

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so despite it doing poorly at

the box office, it, it is good.

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Like it's not a dumpster

fire of a movie 6.5

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I think I would probably agree with that.

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That seems like a fair rating.

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It's a good movie.

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It's not a great movie.

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But it's a fun, it's a fun watch for

Thanksgiving we open with a very fancy

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party filled with snobby, rich people.

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And I love how they show us

what we're supposed to think

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about these people, for example.

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There's a mounted lion head in one

of the rooms, which I feel is a very

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purposeful choice to show us what

kind of people they are at this party.

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And so they're all very snooty

and snobby and classist and,

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and these are these people.

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So Dutch is there with his girlfriend,

and we're supposed to be seeing

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that he is just a regular Joe.

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He doesn't quite fit in.

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But so we're endeared to him

partially because of that, because

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we're, we're immediately shown that

we don't really like these people.

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And he stands up to the very smug reed,

like the ex-husband who so that's, so

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Michael McDonald, or not Michael McDonald.

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Christopher McDonald playing Reed.

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Just, he plays this

type of part perfectly.

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So we're endeared to Dutch and now

we cut to, so also Reid tells the

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ex-wife, oh, you'll have to tell Doyle

I can't take him for Thanksgiving.

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I have to go to London for work.

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Or something along those lines.

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And she's sort of like, well,

you can tell him yourself, but if

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he can't be bothered to do that.

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So Dutch offers to go pick him up.

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Huh and he's like, oh, this is great.

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I, everybody loves me.

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A road trip is all it takes.

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We end up being best friends by the end.

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Don't worry.

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It'll be a great bonding moment.

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So the ex-girlfriend's skeptical

'cause she, I think she knows her

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kid very much takes after his dad.

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And we see that then because we cut

to Doyle at school, who is very much

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a mini read, but somehow even worse.

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'cause in kid form, ugh.

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It's it reminded me of the

annoying kid from over the top.

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Now, more on this in a bit,

but just we, you just like

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squinty eye at him, you know?

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You know, sometimes when you do that,

like about people or you're just like,

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Ugh, how is this person so awful?

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But he just has this air

of superiority on him.

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His worldview is such.

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That he equates being born into money with

class and therefore better than everyone

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else, especially the gasp working class.

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They are so beneath him.

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He is the type of kid we see him

threatening to get people fired.

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If they don't do what he want,

I'll, I'll get my dad to call.

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So and so.

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And have you fired?

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Because of who his dad is so

it's Thanksgiving weekend, all

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his friends have now gone home.

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Someone has already come to pick them up.

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We see him is at the school by himself.

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So there's a janitor in a room,

there's a trashcan, and he's kind of

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sweeping up, he's cleaning up and we

see Doyle just go, just to be a dick.

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Kick over the trash can to have

to make this janitor then pick

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it up again right in front of him

as he's clean just to be a dick.

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Now we also see that he it, that

all the kids aren't this way.

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So this isn't, this isn't the kind of

school that, I mean, it is a boarding

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school, so I'm sure there's a fair

amount of privilege and some attitudes

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that can sometimes go along with that.

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But the other kids we see kind of

be normal and they're kind, they're

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even inviting him to come, you

know, have Thanksgiving with him.

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So they're not shitheads and, even I

think one of them even says something

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about how hateful Doyle is for no reason.

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So we see at the beginning we're

endeared to Dutch at O'Neill.

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, So we're setting up this dichotomy of

what, how this road trip is gonna go.

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Right.

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We see the kid is like beyond a

bratty, privileged prick of a kid.

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So that's who we are.

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The other thing I wondered though,

since we see him by himself, when

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they meet, it starts with Doyle

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it looks like he's

walking home from class.

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He's in his uniform and he

has his textbooks with him.

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But it's Thanksgiving break.

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There's no class.

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So I feel like that was a mistake.

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But

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I dunno, for whatever reason,

he's walking to his dorm and

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Dutch is already in his room.

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But his back is, we can't see his face.

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It's just, you can see

that there's a man there.

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And so Doyle mistakes Dutch for

his dad at first, even though he

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knew that his dad bailed and that

Dutch was coming to pick him up.

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I think he just maybe had hope

that his dad changed his mind.

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So Dutch is trying to score points with

his girlfriend by offering to pick up

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her kid Bond road trip from, they're

in Georgia, is where the the school

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is, and they're gonna head to Chicago.

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Of course, we're going to Chicago.

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This is Hugh's territory for Thanksgiving.

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Now I would like to go into a little

bit of a deep dive into why I think

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this movie reminds me of another movie.

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About 10 minutes in, I

out loud to myself, said.

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Is Dutch an over the top ripoff?

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'cause over the top, I

wanna say was like what?

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86, 87.

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Somewhere in there.

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This is 91.

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So Hughes had said he didn't wanna direct

it 'cause it was so similar to planes,

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trains, and automobiles, but I thought

it was so similar to over the top.

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First of all, I love over the top.

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Second of all, let me make my case for why

I think Dutch is an over the top ripoff.

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We have an unknown father figure here

that picks up a very bratty private

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slash military school kid because it

would be a good bonding experience.

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We have a road trip with lots of

mishaps and shenanigans that over

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time bring these two closer and they

do actually bond and learn from each

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other over the course of the movie.

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And we have a hoity father or

grandfather that gets in the

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way and or makes things worse.

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We have a kid that the movie purposefully

portrays as the shittiest, brattiest,

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classist rich kid attitude at first.

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But of course we warm up to later

by the end of the movie, as does the

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father figure, we get to kind of a

fish outta water, greasy style diner.

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With the food and the kid is

disgusted by both the food as

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well as the patrons of said diner.

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We have a scene where the two

fight over the radio knob, over the

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windows, there are so many things

about this that are straight out of.

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Over the top.

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You have to rewatch Dutch to probably see

it, but do so please rewatch both movies

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in succession and then let me know if

you agree or disagree with my take there.

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Okay.

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That's, that's, that's that.

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We'll move on from the over

the top ripoff conversation.

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Okay.

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I know I do love Ed O'Neill,

so I'm giving him so much.

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If it wasn't Ed o Ed O'Neill in

this, I don't know if I would

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like this movie as well, but I

do find him extremely charming.

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But he's like, this is 91 and he

is not, he's not this kid's father.

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He, even though he's trying to suck

up to his girlfriend by picking this

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kid up, he is not babying this kid.

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He's like trying to take him down

a peg with guidance, but also kind

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of giving it to him a little bit.

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Like he does need to take him down a peg.

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And so.

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There are a few lines that I found very

memorable that I kind of chuckled at.

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And one of them is he says to the kid,

'cause doyle threatens Dutch in some way.

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And Dutch says, you're about

as worrisome as a cloudy day.

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I had never heard that before

and I think I'm gonna use it.

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I like it.

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I like that a lot.

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Now we're getting into the mishaps.

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They're on the road, right?

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Wherever they stop.

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I think they're in Tennessee where

fireworks must be legal year round.

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'cause he, they stop to get gas

maybe or something from a store.

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And there's a fireworks,

like a giant firework store.

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And he goes in and he comes out with a

like a grocery bag full of fireworks.

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And he is all excited, probably thinking,

oh, what, you know, 12, 13-year-old

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kid doesn't love this kind of thing.

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But of course the kid is unimpressed

and he's like, isn't that illegal again?

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Also the top vibes.

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But he's like, well not in Tennessee.

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So then they go somewhere out like in

the middle of the country and there's

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like an entire scene of the fireworks and

it's not entertaining in the slightest.

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So I think that was a big miss.

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There were other scenes I feel

like they could have expanded

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on that were actually funny.

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This wasn't, it went on for a very long

time and it just wasn't that funny.

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There's some ballsiness happening

with Ed O'Neill's character,

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kind of not being mean, but like,

oh kid, you think you're tough.

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Let me tell you, or you think

you're special because of

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this, that, or the other?

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Let me tell you about that.

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This would never happen today, but there's

this game of chicken of sorts that's super

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ballsy where they must know, again, this

is before you could see on like Google

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Maps, how far away you are from a motel.

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And I highly doubt they had reservations,

but you knew they were coming upon a

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town that they must have planned to stay

at just like a little roadside motel.

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But they're in the car and he's

is fed up and he is like, fine,

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you think you're so whatever.

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You fine.

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I'll meet you at the motel walk.

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So he kicks him out on the highway

like this kid, and it's snowing.

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It's winter out.

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And he actually kicks this kid

outta the car and says he can walk

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the rest of the way in a motel.

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And I think that did actually

knock this brat down a peg.

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But of course you could

tell he was worried.

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Once he got to the motel, he kept

looking out the window and stuff.

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But this is, no cell phones,

nothing like pretty ballsy, like

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what happens if this kid dies on

the way to the motel or something.

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But it's a, it's a comedy

movie from the early nineties.

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So it is what it is.

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But the game of chicken then comes because

the kid does get back to the motel and

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he's pissed, but he it's like he needs to

get his bag out of the car or something.

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So he takes Dutch's keys to get his

bag out of the car, and of course

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he steals the car and he parks

it in the middle of the icy road.

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It's wintry and it's icy.

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A semi-truck driver, rams through the

car, like pushes it over an em like

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an embankment into a, into a ditch.

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And so Dutch and the truck driver

are completely freaking out.

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They're frantically searching,

looking for the kid.

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Well, of course, the kid had already

gotten, they didn't kill this kid.

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He'd already gotten out of the car,

but that, he did that on purpose.

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He parked the car in the middle of

the road knowing that someone would

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come and hit it or, or, or whatnot.

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I don't even know.

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Maybe they swerved or something.

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But he did this.

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He had already gotten out and he says

something to the effect of, I, I don't

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:

recall his words, but essentially I

did that to get back at you, like,

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that'll teach you or something.

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So then we see Dutch paying the truck

driver essentially to avoid police.

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He's, you know, he's like, oh,

this kid, you know, I, I don't want

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any police trouble or whatever.

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:

So he just pays off the truck driver

the police do come, of course, but

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they had kind of concocted some

sort of story that would prevent

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anyone from getting into trouble.

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So we see that happening and my

thought was like, oh my God, this

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kid is a psychopath for doing this.

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And Dutch more or less tells him

as such, like, this isn't you.

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You need to grow up and

think outside of yourself.

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:

For a second kid, someone could have

gotten killed by your little prank here.

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:

That's so not cool.

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:

This is serious business.

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:

You like, don't, don't

do that kind of stuff.

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:

So now they don't have a car.

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:

Okay?

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:

They don't have any luck hitchhiking.

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:

And so now we see them in a

Greyhound bus to the next stop.

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:

Doyle gets his, he has some

fancy expensive shoes on in 91.

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That was kind of a trope.

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His shoes get stolen.

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Or I should say just like some young

adults basically bully him out of them.

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Or they just take them

and they're bullied away.

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:

So that was little scene.

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And then wherever they are they

must be near a store, gas station.

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:

And these girls in that sports

car see them and feel bad for

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:

them because they're rehearsing.

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:

Ed O'Neill is kind of trying to

convince him how to like, be pathetic

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:

looking he's like, you're a kid.

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:

You know?

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That's how we're gonna get

somebody to, to pick us up.

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:

And these girls see that

and dup tick pity on them.

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:

They're like, oh yeah, we're

go, we're headed to wherever for

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:

Thanksgiving to see our families.

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:

And they say that they are call girls.

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:

They say that they're prostitutes

and they're like, oh, and we also do

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:

some dancing for some extra money.

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:

And they were just in some city

for some show, expo, whatever, to,

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:

to make some dough as call girls.

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:

And they're headed back for Thanksgiving.

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:

And the driver she's

way more street smart.

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:

The other one seems kind of innocent

and she's in back with the kid.

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:

And Ed O'Neill is in the

passenger seat and he fell asleep.

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So the driver steals his wallet.

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:

She tries to take his ring.

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:

He has a, a pinky ring on,

but she couldn't get that.

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:

Well then they go to a gas

station wherever the next town

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:

is, they're gonna stretch their

legs, go grab something to eat.

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:

But of course, what happens.

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:

The girls of course ditch

them at this gas station.

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:

So now Dutch and Doyle don't have money

'cause the wallet got stolen and they

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:

don't have any of their things, their

bags, their luggage got stolen as well.

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:

Oh, one more thing.

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:

So throughout the movie, a nice

little touch is that Doyle.

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I have a hard time saying

that his name is Doyle.

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:

'cause he doesn't, that doesn't

seem like a kid name to me.

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:

Also Dutch and Doyle is just, I get

them kind of confused a little bit, but

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:

on purpose throughout the movie, Dutch

Calls Doyle by the wrong name, and it's,

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:

I feel like he doesn't even correct him.

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:

It's just kind of funny.

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:

So he calls him Dale,

Dwight Dossey, et cetera.

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:

And again, like the way that

Ed O'Neill delivers it, he

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really pulls it off excellently.

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:

So, kudos to O'Neill in this.

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:

He really was like, by far my

favorite part of the movie.

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:

So now we get to the crux,

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:

they're at this gas station now.

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:

What are we gonna do?

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:

Are we gonna call your mother?

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:

You know?

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:

They're basically planning to

like go their separate ways.

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:

Despite the fact that one is

an adult and one is a kid.

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:

They really have it out.

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:

There's sad music playing.

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:

And Doyle goes in to the gas station.

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:

He tries to call his dad, who

remember said that he couldn't spend

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:

Thanksgiving with him because he

got called to London for business.

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:

Well, Dole learns now here that he lied

because we're, we're shown the scene

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:

where the phone is ringing and they're,

he's in bed with a woman who we assume

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:

is maybe his girlfriend or something.

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:

She answers the phone.

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:

So he is at home and he can hear

his dad like in the background.

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:

So he knows that he lied now.

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:

So this prompts Doyle

to make up with Dutch.

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:

And then there's a very odd moment, again,

this wouldn't be in a movie now where they

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:

bond over the fact that Doyle gets horny.

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:

When he was with the prostitute

girl, this is like a 12 or

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:

13-year-old kid who like fell asleep

on this girl's boobs, you know?

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:

And, but she's at least 18, like

she's an adult and he's a child.

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:

And I know this isn't his dad, I don't

know if that's a thing then bond over.

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:

It was almost like, oh,

your first Horniness.

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:

I don't, I don't know, but

they bond over this somehow.

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:

It's weird.

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:

Maybe it wasn't in 91, but

I, I found it really strange.

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:

Anyway, one of the call

girls got him going.

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:

Okay.

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:

So now we see them pulled together.

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:

They've made up, they're like,

okay, we're gonna do this.

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:

We're.

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:

We're two capable dudes.

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:

We're gonna get the rest of the way home.

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:

Now we see them stowing away on the

back of a semi, and then wherever

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:

the semi goes, there's a yard where

there's security guards, and they get

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:

caught by these security guys that

this loading area for the semi and

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:

these cops actually beat them up.

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:

It's kind of odd, like they, I don't

know, I guess they're trespassing,

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:

but what Jesus like, it's a bit much.

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:

And they also, because they're

assuming that they're homeless people,

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:

and this is the first of a couples

series where we see other people.

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:

Treat them poorly because they

think they're homeless and therefore

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:

somehow less worthy of kindness.

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:

It's which was probably done on purpose.

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:

'cause this is a Thanksgiving movie.

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:

So we're supposed to be reminded

of and be grateful for what we

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:

have and to be helpful to people

who are less fortunate than us.

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:

And that, oh, these

people have a hard time.

733

:

It's a hard life.

734

:

We'll, we'll more on that in a bit.

735

:

So the kid tries to

use some of his karate.

736

:

We early kind of see that he's he really

takes his karate practice seriously.

737

:

Or maybe it's TaeKwonDo,

I'm not entirely certain.

738

:

And then they team up and have a ruse.

739

:

The kid is like loony and that his

head is telling him to do crazy things.

740

:

And that the, these police officers,

again, like bumbling police

741

:

officers should be scared of that.

742

:

But they do finally get away by pulling

the BB gun out from the beginning of

743

:

the movie when Doyle actually shoots

Dutch in the butt with a BB gun.

744

:

And it took me a while to realize

what it was, 'cause it looks

745

:

like a gun, like a handgun.

746

:

And I didn't learn until

later in the movie.

747

:

I didn't know what it was.

748

:

I didn't know what it was shooting.

749

:

I thought I don't air or I, I

honestly, I don't know anything

750

:

about guns, but I always thought

BB guns were like rifle style.

751

:

Ala a Christmas story, you're

gonna shoot your eye out Ralphie.

752

:

But this looked like a pistol.

753

:

And I guess I didn't realize BB guns came

that way, but, but apparently they do.

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:

They still have this gun, so it

looks like a real gun probably.

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:

And so that allows them to get away.

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:

A lot of crimes happening in this movie

that are just gone un, un unreported.

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:

So now because they got beat

up, this kid is bleeding.

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:

From cut on his head.

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:

He's bleeding, but you know, they've been

through a lot so they don't look great.

760

:

They're dirty, their clothes are kind

of ripped and the kid is bleeding.

761

:

They go into this restaurant

and immediately you can see

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:

everybody turn and look at them

like, oh, you don't belong here.

763

:

So they're quickly shooed out

because the waitress assumes that

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:

they're homeless and therefore not

welcome in this proper establishment.

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:

And Dutch is like, Hey, you

know, no worries, no worries.

766

:

We'll get outta your hair.

767

:

But can the kid go use the

bathroom to wash his face?

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:

He's gotta, he's bleeding.

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:

But again, no sympathy because

Oh, oh, don't, don't be offensive

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:

to the, the diners that are

patronizing this establishment.

771

:

But there is a couple of diners who do

take pity on them, and we then see that

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:

this couple drives the pear to a shelter

where they eat and sleep for the night.

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:

Here is kind of where

we're seeing a little more.

774

:

We've seen some improvement, some.

775

:

Work done on both parts.

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:

They're starting to work

together a little bit.

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:

They're starting to warm up

to each other a little bit.

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:

And here at the homeless shelter is

where we see Doyle come around and,

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:

and start to see things through.

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:

Now he's had an experience that a homeless

person might have for a day anyway and

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:

so he is really possessive a little bit

or protective of they're eating dinner

782

:

and he has a bread roll with his dinner.

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:

And this little girl, probably like mm,

four or five, , we see her kind of try

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and take it and he slaps her hand away

and grabs the roll and then he thinks

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:

for a second and then he gives it to

her because he realizes in that moment

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:

she is a real homeless person that.

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:

Needs it.

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:

And he doesn't, he'll have a,

he'll have a great meal tomorrow

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:

when he said his mansion.

790

:

That's a turning point too, where we

see compassion from Doyle and then

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:

that night, so it's time to go to bed.

792

:

It's just a big room of cots.

793

:

And of course Dutchess Cock keeps

breaking and waking everybody up,

794

:

so everybody's annoyed by him.

795

:

But this, the little girl who, who tried

to take the, the role her mother the

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:

homeless woman mentioned when we were

talking about who the players were.

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:

El Scott Caldwell.

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:

She's having a conversation

kind of helping us as an

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:

audience as well as Doyle.

800

:

Get to the point of the whole

purpose of Thanksgiving.

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:

Oh, I bet you really miss your mom.

802

:

Where's, is that your dad?

803

:

So he just kind of says, oh, yeah,

yeah, that he tells her that that's his

804

:

dad, and she inquires where the mom is.

805

:

And so they start talking about that.

806

:

And this gets Doyle to realize that he,

despite his exterior, where he kind of

807

:

hates his mom, he's the spoiled bratty,

he wants to be with his rich dad and

808

:

he doesn't appreciate his

mom throughout the movie.

809

:

And so the mom feels like this

kid might hate her, and he doesn't

810

:

want her to think that now.

811

:

Whereas before he didn't care.

812

:

He was just all about himself.

813

:

He didn't really care about other people.

814

:

So now he's realizing how much he actually

does appreciate and love his mother.

815

:

And then the next morning.

816

:

We see a really shitty

station wagon type car.

817

:

It's really beaten up, but it's driving

along the highway and we see that

818

:

Doyle and Dutch are in the backseat so

that somebody is giving them a ride.

819

:

And it's those people, woman

says, she's telling Doyle, oh

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:

my husband lost his job.

821

:

We've been here for about a week.

822

:

We were living in our car.

823

:

It's just tough out

there, blah, blah, blah.

824

:

So we get a little bit of their backstory

and they're giving them a ride in their

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:

car that they were living in to somewhere.

826

:

And we realized they're on the outskirts

of Chicago, so they're almost home.

827

:

Yay.

828

:

This whole movie, we just hear

Dutch say, yes, I'm working

829

:

class, I I work for my money.

830

:

I didn't inherit in my money.

831

:

I actually work for it.

832

:

He takes a lot of heat from Doyle for

being quote unquote working class.

833

:

But we don't know what he does

until now when we drive past a

834

:

sign as they're approaching Chicago

that says Dutch Duly construction.

835

:

So now we know what

Dutch does for a living.

836

:

we're getting to Chicago now, and

this homeless family literally

837

:

drops them off at their mansion.

838

:

I can't imagine what they were thinking.

839

:

Now granted, we do see that Dutch offers

to give the guy the husband a job.

840

:

He's like, oh, call the office on Monday.

841

:

Gives him a, a business card or something.

842

:

But hey, how about a little reward or

some gas money maybe for driving you

843

:

from a homeless shelter and we don't

have a home to your literal mansion?

844

:

I was kind of surprised that was just it.

845

:

I sort of thought there'd be a bigger,

or maybe that there should have been

846

:

like a, a bigger help to these people

than just, oh, call my office on Monday.

847

:

I mean, where are they

gonna go for Thanksgiving?

848

:

Like they now still have

nowhere to go on Thanksgiving.

849

:

Like maybe they should have invited

them in to have dinner with them.

850

:

Perhaps that seems like a missed

opportunity, in my view for a

851

:

Thanksgiving movie and to show that

you've grown as a human anyway.

852

:

Now it's Thanksgiving.

853

:

They're in the mansion now.

854

:

The dad shows up.

855

:

He's saying that he now he wants to take

Doyle to spend the day with him, but Doyle

856

:

no longer is enamored by him because he

lied and he gives his mom this huge hug.

857

:

So things are going well.

858

:

I just feel like the wrap up of the

movie was very quick in like quick cuts.

859

:

Like, okay, we gotta get this in, we

gotta get this in, we gotta get this in.

860

:

So they make it home.

861

:

The kid loves his mom, not so

enamored by his dad anymore.

862

:

We see the dad be a total prick.

863

:

And that Doyle chooses to spend

Thanksgiving with his mom and Dutch and.

864

:

Dutch finally gets Doyle back because

remember there's he, throughout the

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:

movie, he kept saying, I'm gonna

get you back for that BB gun thing.

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:

You, I'm gonna, I'm gonna

get you, I'm gonna get you.

867

:

So , at the Thanksgiving dinner table,

he does end up getting him back.

868

:

But the scene again felt rushed or

not well written or thought out.

869

:

It was just like they shoved

a bunch of things in the last,

870

:

like five minutes of the movie.

871

:

And I think that was a mistake

because he says to the kid, there's

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:

something very special for your

mom in the pocket of my coat.

873

:

Why don't you go get that?

874

:

So clearly we're thinking as an

audience, it's an engagement ring.

875

:

And the mom probably thinks that too.

876

:

She's like, oh, you know,

'cause they cut to her face.

877

:

She's like, oh, what?

878

:

You know, what is it?

879

:

What is it?

880

:

But that was just a ruse to get him

up from the table so the Dutch could

881

:

actually shoot him with the BB gun.

882

:

And the mom is just like totally

laughing along ha ha ha ha, you're

883

:

shooting my child with a BB gun and

I guess I don't get an engagement

884

:

ring out of this this whole scenario.

885

:

And then credits roll along with

some extra fireworks scene footage.

886

:

Like, you know how we talk about

in these John Hughes movies.

887

:

A lot of times I do let the credits

completely roll because there

888

:

many times are either a credits

scene or a post credit scene.

889

:

This did have a credits

footage of just more.

890

:

It was like, we just have extra footage

of the fireworks scene that wasn't

891

:

funny in the first place, so we're

just gonna shove that at the end.

892

:

So it was, it was not

necessary or funny in any way.

893

:

So I was let down by the end of the movie.

894

:

There were really good parts about

it, but I think they rushed to

895

:

conclude the movie with some missed

opportunities, as I mentioned.

896

:

So that's Dutch, that's the

end of Dutch in Australia.

897

:

And I think other parts of the world,

like elsewhere internationally,

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:

but definitely in Australia.

899

:

The, the movie was not called

Dutch, it was called Driving

900

:

Me Crazy, which I don't know.

901

:

That's fine.

902

:

Dutch, they're both fine.

903

:

Like Dutch doesn't give you any indication

as to what the movie's about either.

904

:

So I, they're fine.

905

:

I guess there was originally

plans to do a sequel.

906

:

Of this movie, which

clearly did not materialize.

907

:

Obviously I did see some disappointing

news, and this is not the first time

908

:

we hear stuff like this about John

Hughes, but in an interview at O'Neill

909

:

States that during the shooting the

movie John Hughes was calling him

910

:

every day like they were best friends.

911

:

Ed was even invited to

John's house for dinner.

912

:

They were supposed to do other

movies together, but as soon as

913

:

the movie underperformed at the

box office, John Hughes never

914

:

spoke to Ed O'Neill ever again.

915

:

Or the director Peter Famine.

916

:

What the hell, John?

917

:

And you know, I had, I had indicated

earlier that there were some,

918

:

because of the poor box office.

919

:

I think at O'Neill, again, I do really

like him, but this shows that he's a

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:

really good sport because there was

mention of this movie in passing, in

921

:

an episode of Married With Children

during an in-flight movie to London

922

:

as a joke to the film's failure.

923

:

Obviously Ed was in Married to

Children, star of that show, and

924

:

then similarly showing a good sport,

the film was shown in, another

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:

episode of Married With Children.

926

:

Titled Dial B for Virgin from 94,

where main characters, ed O'Neill and

927

:

Katie Egal were in a video store and

looked briefly at a rack that showed

928

:

a poster of the film with a sign over

O'Neill's face that said, free video.

929

:

So I, I love those kind of things

where he can poke, poke fun at it.

930

:

So good on you at O'Neill.

931

:

Oh yeah.

932

:

So Doyle uses martial arts in the movie

and although in real life at the time

933

:

of filming, ed O'Neill had actually

been training in Brazilian Juujitsu

934

:

O'Neill received his black belt from

he Gracie Jiujitsu Academy in:

935

:

Hmm.

936

:

Did you guys know that?

937

:

I don't know if I did.

938

:

So Doyle tells Dutch that he is a

high brown belt in karate, but Ed

939

:

O'Neill in real life has a black belt.

940

:

So anyway, that's kind of fun.

941

:

Another little tidbit.

942

:

Is that, so Doyle's last name is

Standish, so Reed and Doyle Standish

943

:

and the mom, what was her name?

944

:

Natalie was the mom's name.

945

:

So their last name is Standish, and there

is another character in the John Hughes

946

:

universe with the last name Standish.

947

:

Anyone?

948

:

Anyone Be Bueller.

949

:

Bueller.

950

:

It's from the Breakfast Club

whose last name was Standish.

951

:

It's never said in the movie, I

don't think, but it is in the script.

952

:

And her character name

listed in the credits.

953

:

Claire Claire's last name is Standish.

954

:

So little tidbit there.

955

:

Now, in terms of casting, we always

talk about potential alternatives here.

956

:

And apparently John Candy was the

first choice to play Dutch Dooley,

957

:

which would've been stupid because it

literally would've been plain strange.

958

:

John Mobiles.

959

:

Apparently Robert De Niro was also

considered, which at this time

960

:

he was still doing a lot of very

serious roles, and I know later he

961

:

would do more of this type of movie.

962

:

I'll la meet the parents,

but yeah, that's interesting.

963

:

So I think he could have done it.

964

:

It was just, I think he was

still you know, doing his like

965

:

mobster stuff at this time.

966

:

I guess Mel Gibson turned it

down other considered Tim Allen.

967

:

Tom Hanks, Jim Belushi, who was in

another Hughes Hughe in Curly Sue from

968

:

91 Robin Williams, who was in Flubber.

969

:

John Goodman and Bill Murray were

all, all considered to play Dutch.

970

:

so that's, that's it for the trivia.

971

:

I do wanna hear from you guys.

972

:

What do you think about, I

know it's a lesser known movie.

973

:

It is a Thanksgiving movie,

clearly overshadowed by the, the

974

:

far more favorable and well-known

planes, trains, and automobiles

975

:

that we will be covering soon.

976

:

But let me know what you

guys think about Dutch.

977

:

I did enjoy it.

978

:

It wasn't great.

979

:

It wasn't the funniest movie I've ever

seen, but I did enjoy the rewatch.

980

:

So I would recommend Rewatching Dutch.

981

:

It's a great Thanksgiving movie and

to kind of see people grow as humans.

982

:

So that's kind of a nice little,

little bow for Thanksgiving.

983

:

And let's see.

984

:

You can, like I said, send

me an email, let me know.

985

:

Also, I wanna know if you think it's

similar to over the top like I did but.

986

:

That's it.

987

:

For this episode of Dutch from 1991.

988

:

Thank you for revisiting it with me.

989

:

Please, like I said, send me an

email and get in touch with me.

990

:

Check out the Facebook page.

991

:

If you're not over there,

YouTube rate review.

992

:

Do all of the things that I

always ask you incessantly to do.

993

:

Just throw me a bone.

994

:

Maybe do, do it for me as my, as a

Thanksgiving treat for me please.

995

:

But until next time, be kind, rewind.

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