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5th May 2026

101 Dalmatians - 1996 Live-Action | S2E28 (Glenn Close Kills It!)

Welcome back to Retromade! Today we’re heading back to 1996 to revisit 101 Dalmatians, Disney’s live-action take on the animated classic, complete with Glenn Close going full Cruella. Let’s get into whether this remake earns its spots or just rides the original’s coattails.

I’m excited to have returning guest, Lizzy, back from the Retro Movie Roundtable podcast here with me today. Lizzy is a mother of 3 and movie lover - particularly thrillers and comedy! Check her out:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/retro-movie-roundtable/id1439985015

https://www.facebook.com/RetroMovieRoundtable

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Katie:

Hello, hello.

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I'm Katie, and welcome back to

"Retromade," your pop culture rewind.

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Today, we're gonna head

back to:

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I think I started high school in '96.

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But we are going back to actually revisit

"101 Dalmatians," Disney's live-action

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take on the animated classic, complete

with Glenn Close going full Cruella.

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So we'll get into, whether this

remake earns its spots or does it

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just ride the original's coattails?

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I have with me today a

returning guest, Lizzie.

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Thank you for joining me again.

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How are you?

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Lizzy: I'm great.

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I'm great.

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I'm really excited to-- I'm excited

to be back, and I'm really excited to

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talk about this movie in particular.

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Katie: I'll let you reacquaint yourself

with the "Retromade" listeners,

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Lizzy: Yes, yes.

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So I'm Lizzie I am a mom of three.

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I've done several podcasts, my first

was Millennial Movie Matchmaker, then

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moved on to Retro Movie Roundtable,

and I dabbled a little bit with uh, a

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podcast called Are You Afraid of the Dark?

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It was an Are You Afraid of the

Dark rewatch podcast, and I did

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it with some of my really good

girlfriends, and it was so much fun.

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But life has has thrown us too

many curveballs that we just

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can't get together anymore.

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But there are-- there is a full season

if anyone wants to check that out.

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But but yeah, I'm out here in Kentucky

and you know, too blessed to be stressed.

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Praise

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God.

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Katie: I love that, too

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blessed to be stressed.

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Nice.

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Listeners, before we get into the show,

I just wanted to let you know that this

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season of John Hughes is almost over.

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After this, there's only one

more episode, and I bet that you

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cannot guess what movie it is.

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It's been wild kinda going

through the John Hughes movies.

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Like some surprises, you're like,

"Oh, John Hughes wrote that, eh?"

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So get your comments and your

thoughts in along with any number of

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ways that you can support the show.

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That'd be great.

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Now, we're gonna have a little

bit of a different spin with the

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Retromade Trivia Wheel today.

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I'm gonna share the categories

on the wheel with Lizzie,

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and she's gonna pick one,

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and it'll be guest

choice, which is a first.

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Lizzy: okay.

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I think I know what I'm gonna pick.

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Okay.

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You know, this movie was so fantastic,

but to me, what really makes it

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all on its own is Glenn Close, and

we can't talk about Cruella de Vil

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without talking about the clothes.

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So I think it definitely

has to be the runway.

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Katie: really- Love it, retro runway.

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Question one,

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Lizzy: Okay.

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Katie: it is a denim trend.

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This is 1996.

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I can remember it well, vividly.

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I definitely partook, partake...

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What is the past tense of partake?

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I don't know.

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Lizzy: I don't know how

far it took, I guess.

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Katie: I participated in

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this trend.

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Okay, so it's a denim trend, often

paired with baby tees and visible

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midriffs, becoming a, a defining look.

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What were the kind of

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jeans?

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Lizzy: a low-rise jean?

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Katie: Ultra low-rise jeans.

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Lizzy: Yes.

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I hope those never come back, by the way.

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Katie: Boy, well, my 40-something

self is not gonna be partaking

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in, in that if it does.

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Yeah, and yes, definitely.

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Yeah, I don't think it

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Lizzy: make a comeback, that'll

be a trend that I do not hop on.

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Katie: It's-- it looks good

on not very many people.

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You have to be 16 for it to look

good on you, I feel like, you know?

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Lizzy: Yes, absolutely.

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Katie: Very good.

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Okay.

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This one is interesting.

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Hmm.

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It's a shoe.

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Oversized athletic sneaker style,

and it was popularized by brands like

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Fila and Nike, became a staple in

'96, and it was referred to as ugly

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long before irony made them cool.

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Lizzy: Honestly, the first shoe that

pox in-- pops in my mind is like a Dunk.

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I don't know how old that is,

but like a, like a Nike Dunk or

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Katie: I don't think I know what that is.

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Lizzy: they're-- So they're-- I

think they're actually very cool.

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I own several of them, but they

are like really big and bulky.

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It's like the, like the

clog of sneakers almost.

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Katie: Maybe that's what it is.

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Lizzy: yes.

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Katie: Maybe that's what it is, because

the answer is chunky dad sneakers,

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AKA platform sneakers.

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Lizzy: a New Balance.

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Yeah.

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yes.

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Katie: pla- platform, like instead

of platform heels, like platform

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Lizzy: sneakers.

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Yes.

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That's really funny

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Katie: Is that what a dunk is?

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Lizzy: So a Dunk, so like I feel

like it's, it's not a shoe that

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you would wear to work out in.

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It's like truly just like a

fashion sneaker, but it's more...

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It's not platformed,

but it's more like wide.

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Katie: but- Oh, yep

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Lizzy: almost like a,

like Mickey Mouse shoe.

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That's the only character I

can think of to visualize it,

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where it's just abnormally big.

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And I have a couple honestly, but

like they only go with certain things.

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Like you

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can't really wear them with jeans.

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I think like a short skirt or something.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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I don't know how specific you have

to be, but what outerwear trend

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heavily associated with hip-hop

culture in '96 w- was frequently worn

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featuring bold logos, often seen in

music videos and NBA tunnel walks?

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Lizzy: So like the,

like the swishy, the...

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I don't know what it was called.

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But it was like when you walked

it made like a sh-sh-sh-sh

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'cause it was like the fabric

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Katie: That material.

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Yeah.

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Lizzy: I don't really know what

to call it, but but like that.

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You saw it, like sometimes it was

in really bright color blocks,

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and then other times it was done

in like only one or two colors.

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I had several of them as a kid though,

but it was like you'd like a matching set.

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And whenever you...

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Like you could hear me coming

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because of the swish.

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Katie: I'm envisioning that

like nylon material as well.

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Um, mm-hmm.

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Um, so like Oversized jackets

or like bomber-style jackets,

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but oversized.

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Very oversized.

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This is a headwear trend.

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Became a street fashion essential

thanks to hip-hop artists and

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athletes, often worn tilted,

flat-brimmed, and heavily branded.

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When

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Lizzy: Tilted, flat brimmed,

and heavily branded.

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Oh my gosh, the second that you

were talking about accessories

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with the '90s, I was so...

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my mind was gonna cut you off

and be like, "Butterfly clips."

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But I,

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Katie: God, I can't...

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The...

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Yes.

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Late '90s,

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even into the early 2000s, that's such a,

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terrible look.

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Right,

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Lizzy: Our elementary school for my

son had a '90s themed family dance.

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And so like we all got to go, go

and get dressed up, and they had

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a huge contest, and I got to put

butterfly clips in our daughter.

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And it was So, so, and she has, like,

curly platinum blonde hair, so she's,

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like, the perfect head of hair for it.

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It was amazing.

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Gosh, I don't know.

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So the flat brim, definitely

like a, like a ball cap.

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Maybe like a trucker

hat, something like that.

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Katie: Yes, you're absolutely right.

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The answer is fitted baseball caps,

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and in- often New Era caps.

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Lizzy: Oh, okay.

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I'm not, not familiar

with the New Era brand.

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Katie: think so either.

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But definitely I, I very

specifically remember either

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the flat brim or tilted, like

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Lizzy: Yes, I remember the, that look.

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Yes.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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All right.

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Last one.

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Minimalist yet provocative fashion style,

often pretty plain, but very tight-fitting

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and paired with baggy bottoms.

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Signature look, late '90s.

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A lot of pop and R&B artists,

but also I, I wore them, too.

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Like it was mm-hmm.

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Lizzy: jeans.

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With baggy jeans.

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I, I mean, my first...

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my mind first goes to either a crop top,

or I remember a lot of hip-hop artists

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honestly wore like, bikini tops with

really baggy jeans, where they would just

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wear basically look like they could just

go to the beach, but they have jeans on.

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Katie: make a little belly show.

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Mm-hmm.

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You're right.

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It is

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either baby tees or crop tops.

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Lizzy: okay.

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Those have made a big comeback

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Katie: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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All right.

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You did very good.

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Lizzy: Yay.

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Katie: good pick, Lizzie.

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Good pick.

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So '96, yeah, I wore a lot of

these, a lot of these things.

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Lizzy: Wow, that's amazing.

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Katie: I think maybe, maybe

we should get into the movie

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Lizzy: let's do it.

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"

Katie: 101 Dalmatians."

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Did you know that this '96 remake

was a John Hughes-written movie

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before I showed you the list?

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Lizzy: No, I never would've known that.

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Rewatching it with the

context, I so see it.

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Uh, But and it's, it's painfully

obvious, especially when Horace and,

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Katie: Glenn Close in it like

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Lizzy: Alone coded it is, and John

Hughes is just such a, He, he's

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just has this whimsical magic that

he brings to, relationships in, in

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movies, so you can definitely see it.

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But no, I never would have actually

guessed that had you not told me

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Katie: thought of that, but cool.

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S- same.

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Definitely surprised.

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I assume this was not your first watch?

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Lizzy: It wasn't, no.

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This movie had a choke hold

on me when I was a kid.

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I loved the cartoon, but I loved this-

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Katie: this Did you

watch it with your kids

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Lizzy: We did, yeah.

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We watched it yesterday.

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Oh my gosh, they were all, all

three were like, "Can we get a dog?

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Can we?

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They're so cute."

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I mean, they lost their minds.

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And it's just all the little scenes,

especially when there's so many

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puppies, it was, it was, like,

really, really fun for them to watch.

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And and honestly, I think they had more

fun in the beginning watching Cruella

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be Cruella and then watching, like,

the meet cute between Roger and Anita.

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And they just, I don't know, they

really liked it, so I was excited.

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Katie: and they just had a great time.

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Good.

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I'm glad they liked it, 'cause

a lot of times things from the

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'90s don't work for kids now.

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So I'm gl- I'm very glad

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to hear that they liked it.

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Lizzy: They did...

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Now, I will be totally honest,

they dragged their feet when I told

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them that I wanted to watch it.

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They were like, "Ugh, no."

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We- they're really into Pokémon

right now, so "We wanna watch

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this other Pokémon thing."

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And and I was like, "Listen, every

now and again, your mom can bust

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out a movie that isn't that bad."

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And I would say they were pretty hooked

early in, and just watching Pongo, like,

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how he was so smart and he could, like,

get the shower and the coffee ready, and

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they, they had a lot of fun watching that.

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And then they were immediately hooked

once Pongo started chasing Perdy.

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So it actually really, I think, to

your point, there's a innocence,

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I think, to the dynamics in the

movie that you don't see a lot now.

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There's more of, like, this hustle culture

that's ingrained in these live action

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movies and whereas in this movie, it kind

of represents a smaller, quiet confidence.

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And so I was really pleasantly

pleased that they liked it.

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Katie: Good.

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Yeah, I kept thinking the same,

you had used "Home Alone" coded,

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It's like Hugh's signature at this point.

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I feel like this is the 10th movie

that we've covered on the show where

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that dynamic is at play also he must

really like writing for a duo of

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bumbling criminals, 'cause he does

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Lizzy: it does.

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Katie: Did you grow up watching the

cartoon, the original from the '60s?

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I

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Lizzy: Yes, I loved the

cartoon from the '60s.

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I- that was another big one of mine.

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Any Disney movie that had animals in it

that was the one that I wanted to watch.

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So, 101 Dalmatians, Lion King,

Aristocats, like, all of those

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movies were my favorites.

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I

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Katie: I loved,

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Lizzy: Loved the scene, and honestly still

do, in the beginning of the new- of the

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'60s one where all the people are matching

their dogs, and I love that so much.

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And I was so excited to see them try

to emulate that in the live action.

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And then I just...

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I mean, it's just such a

sweet, such a sweet movie.

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I love it still to this day.

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And the kids have seen that one too,

and they really enjoy that one as

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Katie: Good.

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Okay.

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Lizzy: Yeah,

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Katie: Yeah, I literally wrote down

in my notes when that scene was

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happening.

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I was like, Oh, thank God,"

I have seen this movie.

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I think I actually went to it

with my grandma, and she got

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a kick out of it, like in '96.

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So that was really sweet, and I also

grew up absolutely adoring the original

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I remember being at Pamida, which is

like, I don't think they exist anymore,

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but sort of like a mini-type Walmart

store, like regional in the Midwest.

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I remember being there just on

a quick errand run or something

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with my dad, and I begged him.

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I saw on an end cap the puffy

case Disney, you know, it

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must have just done, they must

have just done a re-release at that

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ti- whenever in the '80s this was.

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And this was not something that

was typical in our household.

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You didn't just like, "I want

that," and it was purchased for you.

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That never happened.

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And I think I just wore him down,

and he was like, "Fine, we'll get

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Lizzy: Fine, we're getting the movie.

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Katie: So I got my way.

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Yeah, I, those are a couple

memories with this, and I'm

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a big dog person as well, and

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sometimes I'm nervous about

watching movies with animals in it,

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but this one's a safe one, so...

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Yeah.

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It's so good, and I love in the

cartoon where there's like this dog

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community, like Pongo can go up and

bark, and then all of the dogs hear

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them and seeing that trickle down.

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And again, I love how they were able to

use like the really important components.

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They didn't rewrite-- They

didn't reinvent the wheel.

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They were like, "This is a great story.

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We don't need to recapture this.

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We're gonna take all the amazing things

about the cartoon and honor it through

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this movie, but then we're gonna put

kind of our own unique stamp on it."

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And I love that whole aspect of it

too, when Pongo goes up and barks,

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and then it goes to a border collie

and shows all these different dogs and

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Katie: the twilight bark.

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Like, Yeah, it's like their

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Lizzy: I-- It's...

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Katie: communication.

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It

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Lizzy: I love it so much.

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Katie: They did stick pretty closely

to the original, which was good.

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Like you said, the things that they

did different worked, in my opinion.

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That scene that you were talking

about where he's in the park watching

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all the dogs and their owners go by,

and the people look like the dogs

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That was a scene I feel like could

have gone on for about half of the

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time that they did the bike Chaos.

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I think that lasted far too long.

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So they could have taken some of that

time and g- given us some more people

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lookalikes with their dogs, but...

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Lizzy: I tend to agree.

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I think they could have-- I

think they only did two people.

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I think they could have

done may- maybe three.

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Actually, I think

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they did three,

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'cause they did, like, a smaller

dog, I believe, and then the

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bulldog, and then the Great

Dane, I believe, was the big one.

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His-- Pongo's bark got more intense,

like he was-- had something to prove.

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Katie: The live action remake

of the original, was released

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on November 27th, 1996.

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So people probably going with their

families over Thanksgiving break.

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It is rated G, and I point this

out because it is the first--

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the only G movie that we've

done on "Retromade" this season.

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We did cover "The Fox and the Hound"

last season because Kurt Russell

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voiced Copper, so that was G.

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But I think I think this was

actually the first G-rated live

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action movie that Disney made

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the IMDb rating is a little lower

than-- Having rewatched, I'm like, "Oh,

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that's a little bit on the low side."

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It's 5.8.

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I don't know if you have

thoughts about that.

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I would

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Lizzy: That does...

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You know, I would actually argue

my hot take is that I think this is

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the best Disney live action remake.

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I mean, they-- this was-- I don't know

really what prompted this because there

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was probably about a ten to fifteen

year delta between this live action

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remake and then what we've seen in the

last decade of just them churning out

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live action remake one after another.

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And I think yeah, I think

this is the best one.

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And I think mainly because of what we

talked about earlier, ultimately, the

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common denominator, I think, between

a lot of these live action remakes

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is they try to change so much of it.

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And and, and while I do appreciate

that there's a certain aspect of them

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that maybe want to modernize the story

a little bit, sometimes I think when

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you're a little too hyper-fixated on

what people are gonna think and feel and

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how it'll be received, I think sometimes

that takes you out of the magical part

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of What makes the story so special,

and sometimes you just miss the mark.

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And I think that's the case for a

lot of these, but I think with this

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particular movie, I really think

John Hughes understood that this was

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gonna be more of a love letter to

the '60s one, rather than him trying

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to just do something on his own.

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Katie: than a 101, rather

than picturing this as a 101.

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Yes, I couldn't agree more.

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I hated Flubber, so that

was also a, a remake.

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And I had not seen the original,

but I don't know what he was doing.

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So he did not do what he

did with 101 Dalmatians

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for

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Lizzy: I didn't like Flubber either.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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And I love Robin Williams,

but I was not a fan.

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Katie: Yeah, I was like,

"This is terrible."

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But the original has a 7.3

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IMDb rating, and honestly, I'm

surprised that's not higher.

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Lizzy: Right.

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Yeah,

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Katie: love that?

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Lizzy: I know, it's the best.

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Katie: Strange.

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So obviously we have John Hughes

writing the screenplay, and it is

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based on Dodie Smith's original.

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She-- Actually, I don't know

if that's a man or a woman.

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Do you?

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Lizzy: No, but Dodie

feels like a female name.

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I think we'll...

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Yeah, I think a she.

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Katie: Dodie Smith wrote the book on

which the original movie was based.

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We'll get to the amount of money

that this made, but John Hughes

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made more money from this movie

than any other movie in his career.

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Do you know why?

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Yes, I do know why.

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Lizzy: Yes, I do.

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I know why.

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I

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Katie: so he

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Lizzy: just read this.

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Because he got royalties.

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That's what it was.

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He got like merchandise

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and

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Katie: was the merchandising.

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Lizzy: yes.

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Katie: A piece of the merchandising

profits, which was everywhere.

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I

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had I had Rollie until one of

my dogs used it as a, a toy.

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But yeah, the stuffed animal.

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I, I read that there were

17,000 items of merchandising.

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I can't even f- like things

that, that were 101 Dalmatians

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Lizzy: Can't even, like compute

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Katie: I know.

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Like I can think

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Lizzy: what you...

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I can think of 10 in my

mind, and then I like,

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Katie: I could come up

with 100 probably if I,

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Lizzy: Yeah.

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Katie: real hard.

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But yeah, so he w- he was very glad

that he did this movie, and so was

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Disney because the budget for this was

67 million, and it was a massive hit.

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Worldwide gross of 321

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million on a $67 million

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budget.

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that's wild.

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Lizzy: good.

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Katie: So obviously there's a sequel

which I don't think I've seen, 102

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Dalmatians, and that was in 2000.

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Did you see that?

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Lizzy: I, yes, but I, I don't

remember a, a lot of it.

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I feel like I watched it kind of

like almost like with one eye open

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Katie: been pregnant.

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Mm-hmm.

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I,

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Lizzy: I, I remember

bits and pieces of it.

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I know that like Cruella is, like

she escapes prison and wants to

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like exact revenge, so a lot of

ways it's a recycling of the first.

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But there's...

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Oh, oh, I remember the hook.

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I was just thinking of like there's

like an element-- There's a, there's a

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Dalmatian that doesn't have any spots.

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That's the big thing.

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There's like a, it's like a, like

the black sheep of the family.

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It's a spotless Dalmatian and

that's all I really can remember.

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But I do remember there was a TV show

of 101 Dalmatians that came out shortly

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after this, and I really liked that show.

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I watched

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Katie: Oh, interesting.

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Actually the the plot that you

just said about "102 Dalmatians"

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actually sounds pretty good.

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But, but I don't think-- I think that

there were some pieces to this puzzle

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that, that really made it work, and I

think a big piece of that was the cast.

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They had a really good cast.

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But before we get into the cast,

I wanna talk about the director,

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Stephen Herek, a little bit.

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Are you familiar with Stephen Herek

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Lizzy: By name, I'm not,

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Katie: I would-- Same.

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Yeah.

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I don't think we've covered

him on "Retro Made" yet.

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But he also directed "Mr.

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Holland's Opus,"

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"Don't Tell Mom the

Babysitter's Dead," one of

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my faves.

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But yeah, "Bill and Ted's

Excellent Adventure," "The

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Mighty Ducks," and "Critters."

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Lizzy: Wow, okay.

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So he definitely has a brand.

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You can definitely

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Katie: Yeah.

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Lizzy: him and John Hughes are

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Katie: I had to end

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Lizzy: very sym- like

symbiotic in that way.

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Like you can really tell

that they make good partners.

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They have a vision that's very similar.

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Katie: for her, that would have been it.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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It's just one of those that d- he

doesn't have the name recognition,

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but has done some great work.

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Lizzy: Yeah, that's awesome.

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Katie: We have the one,

the only Glenn Close as

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Cruella de Vil, and oh

my God, was she great.

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Lizzy: She's fantastic.

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She was--

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Katie: Now I saw "The

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Lizzy: I had no idea who Glenn Close was.

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Like her body of work was all like

really more adult films, so I had not

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watched anything that she was in, but

my parents were elated to see her.

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After growing up and watching

more of her body of work,

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specifically Fatal Attraction,

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I feel like she brought that- bunny

boiling energy, which is kind of

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sadly ironic because she's, you know,

wanting-- she's cruel to animals.

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But it's

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Katie: Like she was

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Lizzy: She is equal parts chic,

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Katie: weak- Mm-hmm

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Lizzy: terrifying, and just

erratic and all over the place

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in the best way possible.

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She is-- I don't think anybody

else could have done it.

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I remember reading a couple of

other people that were offered the

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job, one being Sigourney Weaver,

and no shade to Sigourney Weaver.

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I, I, I think she's fantastic.

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But I-- the chic element and

just that fabulousness, I don't,

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I don't know if I can visualize

that, and that's no shade to her.

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She's very...

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I mean, Sigourney Weaver's very

sexy, but that's-- but there's a

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certain X factor that Glenn Close

has that just made it perfection.

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Katie: Agreed.

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So I can see why they would

consider a Sigourney Weaver.

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I-- Like she has-- She's the right

type, and she kind of played this in

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what's that movie where she's the boss

of Melanie Griffith and Harrison Ford?

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:

Oh, I'm gonna have to look it

up because it's driving me nuts.

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Lizzy: I could see her being a

Cruella with a more soft-spoken

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Cruella, 'cause I think that there's

a quiet mania about Sigourney Weaver.

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But I've never-- I don't know if

I've ever seen her fully lose it.

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Maybe-- and maybe I just haven't

seen it in the right movie.

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But she has this very controlled

very controlled anger that is

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actually, on its own, very scary.

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:

She has this ability to f- be frightening

in a way that she is so in control

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:

of everything that she's saying and

doing and can speak so quietly and

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:

thoughtfully while also cutting you.

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:

So in that way, that would

be-- make for a good Cruella.

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:

But I think the thing that I, I

think makes Cruella Cruella is the

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fact that she's not controlled.

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She's just, like, all over the place

and just, dramatic, A maximalist in

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:

every way, and I, I think that that was

really, really necessary for the role.

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:

So I can appreciate the Sigourney part,

but I just think it had to be Glenn.

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Katie: Weaver, but I do- Agreed.

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:

And the movie I was thinking

of is "Working Girl."

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:

Great

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Lizzy: Oh, okay.

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Yes.

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Katie: yeah, sorry, my brain.

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:

They did want Glenn Close to be in this,

but she initially rejected it because

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of I think there was a, like a Broadway

play or something that she was doing.

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And anyway, scheduling conflicts, but

then she ended up being able to do it.

555

:

The other person that I read did a screen

test for the role was Kathy Moriarty,

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and This being a G movie, it was later

deemed that she was too frightening

557

:

Lizzy: Really?

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:

Katie: for a children's movie.

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:

Like she must have brought some

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:

realism in her screen

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:

Lizzy: Yeah, she must have really

brought some scary elements.

562

:

It's really funny.

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:

Katie: I don't know why it gets me.

564

:

I've always wanted one of those

rich, bitchy lady in movies have

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:

those long cigarette holders.

566

:

Lizzy: Yes.

567

:

Katie: And I want one.

568

:

I don't smoke, but I was

like, "That's awesome."

569

:

Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" too.

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:

Lizzy: It's amazing.

571

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She, 'Cause I remember

that from the '60s movies.

572

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She had that long, that long

piece, and I love the car, That

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cigarette holder, I remember.

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:

I don't smoke either, but I-- It

kinda just goes without saying

575

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that she made smo-smoking seem

really cool and really chic.

576

:

I know that's the wrong thing to say, but

577

:

Katie: Oh my gosh.

578

:

I actually read like a

piece of trivia about that.

579

:

So this was one of the last

Disney films to feature visible

580

:

on-screen cigarette smoking

581

:

Lizzy: It's really funny.

582

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I understand why that they were like,

"We're making this seem too cool."

583

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"We need to make sure that we're,

like, properly communicating

584

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that this is not good."

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Katie: It does.

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:

I gotta say, when there's that

like certain movies, a lot of mob

587

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movies or watch certain TV shows,

there's a lot of smoking, like "Peaky

588

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Blinders," it makes me wanna smoke

589

:

Lizzy: Yeah,

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:

there's like a,

591

:

Katie: yeah.

592

:

Lizzy: there's like a joie de vivre, de

vivre of when it comes to, to smoking

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that I, I do think that there's like a...

594

:

I guess, it gives you an edge.

595

:

I...

596

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And I think, Yeah, there's something

about seeing someone do it, I guess,

597

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in the right context, in the right

moment, that it just, it does give

598

:

this very cool allure to them.

599

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And, But then, you know, and when

you're in reality, if you're in a

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room with a bunch of people smoking,

you're just like, "This smells."

601

:

"I'm not into it, and I feel

like I need to take a shower."

602

:

Katie: Yeah.

603

:

It's not as classy.

604

:

"Mad Men," like all, it's

605

:

like everybody must have

just reeked apparently.

606

:

Yeah.

607

:

Lizzy: I think that they all had to.

608

:

And it was, but...

609

:

And it was also, especially the

Mad Men times it was the thing.

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:

My mom, both my parents

talked about during...

611

:

You know, 'cause my, my dad was born

in '52, so, he, when he was in his

612

:

prime, it was like everybody smoked.

613

:

It was just what you did.

614

:

Nobody ever even took a second thought

that this could be bad for you.

615

:

Everybody was just like,

"It's great," and we did it.

616

:

Katie: It's cool.

617

:

It's the cool thing to do, for

618

:

Lizzy: That's right

619

:

Katie: Okay, so coming back to Cruella and

Glenn, 'cause I wanna talk more about her.

620

:

Every time she was on

screen, I was mesmerized.

621

:

E- every little movement and

like her g- her gloves had claws.

622

:

She had this, this way of being,

saying things or doing things that are

623

:

like s- like it's a put down or it's

snarky, but in a really smart way.

624

:

Um, I literally laughed

out loud a few times.

625

:

One is towards the end when she's

literally been through a molasses

626

:

vat, and now she's in the manure mud,

and the police are there, and they're

627

:

like, "Are you Cruella de Vil?"

628

:

And she's like, "Is

there something wrong?"

629

:

Like

630

:

Lizzy: something wrong?

631

:

Katie: is there something wrong?

632

:

And then to Roger when she's meeting him,

633

:

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

634

:

Katie: he, you know, reaches out to

shake her hand when, when she's leaving,

635

:

says something like, you know, "It

was, it was a, a pleasure to meet you."

636

:

And she's like, "What was?"

637

:

And he's like, "To make

your acquaintance."

638

:

You know, "It was a pleasure to

639

:

make your acquaintance."

640

:

And she says, "That's a sweet thought.

641

:

I wish I could reciprocate."

642

:

And I wanna use that now.

643

:

I want, I want,

644

:

I wanna use that.

645

:

Lizzy: change it.

646

:

Yeah.

647

:

She says to...

648

:

I, I...

649

:

Is it-- I can't remember

both of their names.

650

:

I know one of them is Horace.

651

:

But

652

:

the-- Jasper.

653

:

yes.

654

:

I...

655

:

So Hugh Laurie's character, when

he's like, "We've got the puppies.

656

:

We're at the house," and everything,

she-- and she says something like,

657

:

"My, my ability to second-guess your

inaptitude is temporarily restored."

658

:

And he's like, "Oh,

you're too kind, ma'am."

659

:

You're too kind.

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:

Katie: So if it wasn't her in this I

don't think it would've been as good.

661

:

They had a really good supporting

cast as well that we'll get

662

:

to, but it made me wonder about Glenn

663

:

because I was like, does she maybe have

the most Oscar noms or wins or whatnot?

664

:

She has not yet won an Oscar.

665

:

She was nominated eight times,

and if she gets an Oscar, she

666

:

will be in the EGOT status because

she's gotten all of the others.

667

:

Lizzy: Oh, wow!

668

:

Katie: Grammy Oscar,

669

:

Tony.

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:

Lizzy: And Emmy, that's the...

671

:

Yeah, Emmy.

672

:

Yep.

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:

Yeah, she's fantastic.

674

:

Katie: But-- she is not the actress

with the most accolades or prestigious

675

:

awards, wins, nominations, et cetera.

676

:

She is surpassed by one.

677

:

I bet you can guess who it is.

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:

Lizzy: Probably Meryl Streep.

679

:

She's the person that I really think

of when it comes to being nominated the

680

:

most, and I feel like she's nominated

every other year for something.

681

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

682

:

But Glenn is the next,

683

:

apparently.

684

:

Lizzy: Aw, well, hopefully

she gets her Oscar soon.

685

:

She sh-

686

:

Katie: I know.

687

:

I know.

688

:

Love Glenn.

689

:

There's a few things that I read

in the trivia that if we have time

690

:

we'll get to that I'm like, "Oh,

makes l- me love her even more."

691

:

One of which I think is that she

insisted on wearing fake fur.

692

:

Lizzy: yeah, so I love that,

yes, especially with, like, all

693

:

the, just the subject matter.

694

:

I feel like that just makes it feel a

little bit more wholesome and full circle.

695

:

Katie: Everybody loves Jeff Daniels,

I feel, and he's had a very diverse

696

:

career

697

:

He has won Emmys for "The

Newsroom" and "Godless."

698

:

"Godless" I think was a

like a limited series or a

699

:

miniseries or something.

700

:

Lizzy: never heard of that one.

701

:

Katie: I think I did see that or I'm

getting them-- maybe I'm conflating

702

:

a couple with similar titles,

but I'm pretty sure I saw that.

703

:

I've not seen "Newsroom."

704

:

Do you watch

705

:

Lizzy: did see Newsroom.

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:

I did see Newsroom.

707

:

I watched the first season.

708

:

I don't-- I think that there were

more, but I only watched the first one.

709

:

It is pretty good.

710

:

It's, Especially, it

reminded me of Network.

711

:

That's a old movie from the

712

:

Katie: Yes.

713

:

That won an Oscar, I think, didn't

714

:

Lizzy: yes, a lot like that.

715

:

It felt like a show version of that,

where it's just showing kind of how

716

:

the sausage gets made, and in a way

that you, the viewer, are kind of

717

:

questioning because you're watching

his own dilemma on what he needs to

718

:

report on, 'cause it's a business,

so he has to make sure people watch.

719

:

And it just, I don't know, it's kinda

interesting to see how much tinkering

720

:

goes into what they decide to report on.

721

:

And and it's it was very interesting.

722

:

Katie: I think the rest of the

cast is a little understated.

723

:

They're all really good.

724

:

, You know, it's Jeff Daniels, but as

Roger he's not doing anything significant

725

:

or special or stand out in any way.

726

:

He's just doing the job.

727

:

He's playing Roger 'cause

that's who Roger is, right?

728

:

And similar with Anita,

just very, that quiet...

729

:

They're-- Well, also

they're British, so they're,

730

:

Lizzy: Yes.

731

:

Katie: the, they're not as

brash and loud as as Americans.

732

:

But Joely Richardson, are you

familiar with her playing Anita?

733

:

Lizzy: You know, she-- I always sometimes

get her and Natasha Richardson confused

734

:

because they have a very similar

haircut, and they have this very, very

735

:

similar build, like very petite and

fair-skinned, just very and very classy.

736

:

And I think I-- so sometimes I,

I get her a little bit confused.

737

:

But as-- but her own body

of work, I don't think so.

738

:

Katie: body of work- I feel like I

know that name more so than actually

739

:

her, and she comes from an acting

family, and you get her confused

740

:

with Natasha because they're sisters.

741

:

Lizzy: No way.

742

:

Oh my gosh, that's so funny.

743

:

I love that.

744

:

Well, that's, that's hilarious.

745

:

That makes a lot of sense now.

746

:

Katie: And the classy, this will

also track because their parents are

747

:

Tony Richardson and Vanessa Redgrave.

748

:

Lizzy: Okay.

749

:

Oh my gosh, that's so cool.

750

:

Katie: And the gr- their grandpa is

Sir Michael Redgrave, so they're,

751

:

you know, they have this air about them,

752

:

Lizzy: Yes.

753

:

Yeah.

754

:

That's really cool.

755

:

Katie: Mm-hmm.

756

:

She was nominated for...

757

:

Now, I don't watch the show.

758

:

I'm cur- It sounds like maybe

you haven't either, because you

759

:

would've maybe brought her up.

760

:

But she was nominated for a Golden Globe

maybe on more than one year for her

761

:

performance in the TV show "Nip/Tuck."

762

:

I feel like I'm very

763

:

Lizzy: No, I know I'm very familiar

with Nip/Tuck, but I did not watch it.

764

:

I think that was--

765

:

I for whatever reason, that missed me.

766

:

I'm not quite-- I was in college

when Nip/Tuck was a thing, and I, I

767

:

honestly couldn't give you a solid

reason as to why I didn't watch it.

768

:

It just never, never really happened.

769

:

I kinda missed it.

770

:

Katie: Yeah, same.

771

:

She was in a few episodes of "The Tudors,"

772

:

which I did watch and love.

773

:

She played...

774

:

Yeah, I can't remember who she played.

775

:

But that tracks, you know,

British and everything, and

776

:

also "The Patriot," the

movie "The Patriot."

777

:

Lizzy: Oh, nice.

778

:

So I feel like I've probably

seen her sprinkled in things.

779

:

Yes.

780

:

Katie: She never stands out.

781

:

Again, she's, it's kind of

that meek, mild-mannered

782

:

nature I feel that she has.

783

:

The woman who plays the nanny is Joan

Plowright, and we talked about her

784

:

on this season, in the "Dennis the

Menace" episode, because she played Mrs.

785

:

Wilson.

786

:

A very, ba- basically playing the same,

787

:

same sweet, older lovely woman.

788

:

But h- before doing that episode,

I did not realize that she is an

789

:

extremely accomplished actress.

790

:

Lizzy: Oh, really?

791

:

That's

792

:

so cool.

793

:

Katie: she was just before our time, you

794

:

Lizzy: Yep, yep.

795

:

She reminds me so much

of An- Angela Lansbury.

796

:

She gives like very similar energy

of just this kind of classy classy

797

:

chic older woman, but it can also be,

you know, that there's two different

798

:

versions, of course, of Angela Lansbury.

799

:

There's the teapot, and then there's the

800

:

really, like, wicked mom

from Mandarin Candidate

801

:

She can do both very well, and she

kind of gives me that same energy

802

:

that like, even though she's sweet,

she could probably turn it on and

803

:

give you a diff- completely different

804

:

Katie: very- Mm-hmm fun.

805

:

She kind of fits that bill because

even though she's sweet, she can

806

:

also turn on it and be- Mm-hmm.

807

:

Yeah.

808

:

She's a delight.

809

:

I just, yeah, I, I like her presence.

810

:

And then our, our basically

our Marv and Harry here,

811

:

it, it's Horace and Jasper.

812

:

And you had mentioned already, so

Jasper is Hugh Laurie, and he's most

813

:

famous or he's most known, I would

say, for the TV series "House."

814

:

I'm sure he's in a ton of other things,

I just, that's what I know him from.

815

:

I've not seen that show either.

816

:

So like with this,

817

:

Lizzy: So my husband loves that

show, so I've seen a couple

818

:

of episodes here and there.

819

:

But when we got together

and got married, House was

820

:

fading out, so it wasn't like a show

that we needed to regularly tune into.

821

:

So I'd catch him watching

it every now and again.

822

:

It's funny because he's an

American in that show, so he has

823

:

a totally different accent and,

824

:

Katie: and kind of funny.

825

:

He is not hairy and is not funny.

826

:

He is very thin and not funny.

827

:

And I feel like that- Oh.

828

:

Oh, that's

829

:

Lizzy: he's really snarky and very,

830

:

Katie: very

831

:

Lizzy: like sharp-witted -- it's a huge

departure from this because in this

832

:

one,-- they're both funny, but he's more

funny, sarcastic in House, whereas as

833

:

Jasper, it's almost more like physical

comedy, and he's and just goofiness.

834

:

But, but he does a great job.

835

:

And I think his, his voice as

Jasper, I think that that's like

836

:

just his natural voice, I believe.

837

:

When watching him in interviews,

it sounds very similar.

838

:

Katie: as well.

839

:

Mm-hmm.

840

:

I mean, that, that tracks.

841

:

Yeah.

842

:

These are the henchmen.

843

:

Cruel- Cruella's

844

:

incompetent henchmen.

845

:

Horace is played by Mark

Williams, and I did look him up.

846

:

He's in a few of the

"Harry Potter" movies.

847

:

I am unfamiliar with him, but he does

seem to have a very solid acting resume.

848

:

And, the UK listeners, I don't know,

maybe he's, maybe they're screaming right

849

:

now and they're like, "He's in such and

such," and, "How do you not know that?"

850

:

Lizzy: He's, He's, Ronald- he's Ron

Weasley's dad in all of the Harry

851

:

Potters, so he's probably in...

852

:

I think there's eight or

nine Harry Potter movies.

853

:

I might be, I might get that

854

:

Katie: Are there really?

855

:

Okay.

856

:

Lizzy: lot of Harry Potter movies.

857

:

They came out, the first one came out

when I was in the eighth grade, and

858

:

then the very last one, I had kids.

859

:

It's just,

860

:

Katie: was like, Harry Potter

meets the Very Bad Fucking Guys.

861

:

Wow.

862

:

Lizzy: there's so many.

863

:

But but he plays one of the main

characters' dads, and so he-- and

864

:

he's like a, just a goofy, silly

wizard, but he has such a solid heart.

865

:

And Harry, to just give you, a small

context of, like, Harry's past is he's

866

:

an orphan, and he lives with his aunt

and uncle, and his aunt and uncle are,

867

:

like, really wretched kinda awful people.

868

:

So Ron and his friend take him in, and

so, this poor Mark Williams' character

869

:

is almost like a surrogate father to

him, and he's, he's a really good guy.

870

:

Katie: Oh, that is really helpful context.

871

:

So what were your thoughts in

seeing him play this very different

872

:

type of character as Horace?

873

:

Lizzy: Honestly, I love it.

874

:

I think it suits him so well because

even though he's you know, he's a bad

875

:

guy and he has, and he has ill intent,

it-- there's still so many elements

876

:

that are the exact same because he's

goofy, he's a little over the top.

877

:

He and he's not quite as smart.

878

:

Like, he definitely plays

someone who's, just dim-witted,

879

:

just not, not a very smart guy.

880

:

But I think still that

881

:

Katie: still that

882

:

Lizzy: of the two, if

you were to ask is...

883

:

There's always the more innocent henchman

who's just kind of following orders

884

:

ver- whereas the one who's kind of,

a little bit more on the cruel side.

885

:

And there's, you-- every now and

again, you get a tinge of innocence

886

:

from Horace where you're like, "Oh,

man," "he kind of just seems like

887

:

Katie: seems like a,

888

:

Lizzy: a, a good guy who just got

caught up in a lot of really bad

889

:

circumstances," but it's like, I don't

really think he wants to do this.

890

:

I don't-- I think if you really sat down

and you were like, "You, you and I both

891

:

know that you don't wanna be here, right?"

892

:

And I think he'd eventually just be

like, "You're right, I don't, and I

893

:

just want a hug, and I wanna go home."

894

:

Katie: Yeah.

895

:

He, he does seem a bit dimwitted

too, and that's played for laughs.

896

:

But yeah, the innocence, I agree.

897

:

He's, he's definitely

the more innocent one.

898

:

When she's, when they're all

in the what do they call them?

899

:

D- like a paddy wagon.

900

:

Is that what they call like

901

:

Lizzy: It's one of my favorite parts, yes.

902

:

Katie: All four of them, 'cause the

Skinner guy that got, his name is actually

903

:

Skinner or his nickname, whatever.

904

:

He's the one who was gonna skin

the puppies and He also, at the

905

:

very beginning, they kill a zoo,

a rare endangered tiger from the

906

:

Lizzy: I know.

907

:

I know.

908

:

It's horrible.

909

:

Katie: Yeah.

910

:

Okay.

911

:

So yeah, he, so he's the fourth person.

912

:

So they're all in the paddy wagon

and she's like, "You guys get the

913

:

gold, silver, and bronze for..."

914

:

I can't remember what she says, like

915

:

Lizzy: The Morons Olympics, yeah.

916

:

Katie: It takes a minute, and you can see

Horace is trying to kind of hold it back,

917

:

and then he's like, "Who gets the gold?"

918

:

Lizzy: But yeah, who won the gold?

919

:

It is so funny 'cause you know that

there's always, there's always someone

920

:

in that group that's like, "Wait, who?

921

:

Is it me?

922

:

Did I win the gold?"

923

:

You did

924

:

Katie: Yeah.

925

:

Ugh.

926

:

Oh my gosh.

927

:

And the music is done by Michael Kamen.

928

:

That probably sounds

familiar to you or no?

929

:

Not

930

:

Lizzy: You might...

931

:

Not by name, but I bet if you

list off some of his accolades

932

:

that I would-- it'd ring a bell.

933

:

Katie: by name, but I

bet if you said Yeah.

934

:

His career it's very diverse as well.

935

:

He started out like before he did

film scores, he worked with, seemingly

936

:

every band known to man, like

Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Tom Petty,

937

:

Queen, Metallica, Guns N'

Roses, on and on and on and on.

938

:

And then he got into doing film

scores, and we talked about Michael

939

:

Kamen for scoring "Road House" last

season, the Patrick Swayze movie.

940

:

Other big hitters would be, again, "Mr.

941

:

Holland's Opus."

942

:

So I'm wondering if the

director, Stephen Herek,

943

:

'cause he directed If that's the

reason he brought him over was

944

:

because they worked together on that.

945

:

But also "Die Hard," "Lethal Weapon,"

946

:

"Robin Hood: Prince of

Thieves," "Highlander."

947

:

yeah, And "The X-Files,"

948

:

Lizzy: big...

949

:

He did X-Files?

950

:

Katie: The theme music

for "X-Files," yeah.

951

:

Lizzy: Stop.

952

:

That's so iconic.

953

:

That's amazing.

954

:

Katie: Yeah.

955

:

So nothing, you know, nothing to

sneeze at, and he thusly won a

956

:

number of very prestigious awards.

957

:

So

958

:

Lizzy: Good for

959

:

Katie: who did the music for this.

960

:

I did notice, it's also understated,

but there were a few times that I was

961

:

like, "Oh, that was really smart."

962

:

And I can't, I can't think of the

examples, but I did think that the

963

:

music was very helpful on this.

964

:

It wasn't just a throwaway.

965

:

It was intentional, and I could feel that.

966

:

Lizzy: I love when a good score should

guide your emotions as you're watching the

967

:

movie, and This one definitely did that,

and I think especially in the good moments

968

:

'cause it had this and like this kind of

pi- which almost kind of mimics like the

969

:

pitter-patter of a dog or a puppy walking.

970

:

And I, I don't know, it's, it,

it really worked very well.

971

:

And I...

972

:

Anytime that that came, and it would

repeat itself anytime that there was a

973

:

triumphant moment throughout the movie.

974

:

So yes, I think you, you notice

the score enough to recognize the

975

:

recall when you hear it repeated

and appreciate those moments, but it

976

:

doesn't stand out enough to then take

your m- mind outside of the story.

977

:

It's like that perfect dance,

which I imagine is actually

978

:

like super, super challenging.

979

:

Katie: a big thing for me as a director.

980

:

Like- I bet.

981

:

Yeah.

982

:

I, I, I agree.

983

:

I'm, excited to, to talk about

a movie that's well done with, a

984

:

lot of really accoladed actors and

directors and composers, because we've

985

:

been in a stretch of really bad...

986

:

Lizzy: Yeah.

987

:

Katie: The last several John Hughes

movies, a lot of his kid movies aren't...

988

:

Lizzy: Mm.

989

:

Katie: I feel like he didn't

really put in the effort.

990

:

But here I feel like

this is definitely a win.

991

:

So where I was going with that

It's been a long time since

992

:

I've gotten to talk about awards

993

:

a movie receiving any awards, and Glenn

Close was nominated for a Golden Globe

994

:

for this movie, and that seems like

that kind of a thing doesn't happen.

995

:

Lizzy: It's very rare.

996

:

Yeah.

997

:

It's very, very rare for a

children's movie to be nominated.

998

:

You know that it's just that good

that they couldn't ignore it.

999

:

I think the only other time that it's

been done for a live action Disney

:

00:46:08,245 --> 00:46:12,565

movie was Johnny Depp was nominated a

couple of times as Captain Jack Sparrow.

:

00:46:13,075 --> 00:46:15,755

But but he didn't win,

but he was nominated.

:

00:46:15,755 --> 00:46:20,655

But that was also a really big deal

because that movie ultimately was

:

00:46:20,715 --> 00:46:26,175

designed to be a family movie, and that

typically doesn't speak to the Oscar

:

00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:26,810

Katie: Right.

:

00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:28,550

Lizzy: Kind of zeitgeist

that they're looking for.

:

00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:31,930

They're always kind of looking

for that like obscure, trendy,

:

00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:37,550

avant-garde and, But it just, Glenn's

work honestly speaks for itself.

:

00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:39,020

Like she was perfect.

:

00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:39,700

She did...

:

00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:45,090

Like this movie would not be the

movie that it is today without

:

00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:46,650

Glenn Close, like just hard stop.

:

00:46:46,754 --> 00:46:47,544

Katie: But it just was what- 100%.

:

00:46:48,234 --> 00:46:51,384

And also the hair and

makeup received a BAFTA nom.

:

00:46:51,424 --> 00:46:52,524

Again, they didn't win, but

:

00:46:52,554 --> 00:46:53,404

a BAFTA nom.

:

00:46:53,674 --> 00:46:58,034

This is set in London, a lot of British

actors and stuff, so that's very fitting.

:

00:46:59,224 --> 00:46:59,364

Yeah.

:

00:46:59,565 --> 00:47:00,835

Lizzy: This is fantastic.

:

00:47:00,945 --> 00:47:01,395

Of course.

:

00:47:01,494 --> 00:47:01,994

Katie: about this.

:

00:47:02,615 --> 00:47:05,365

Lizzy: Yeah, I mean, the black and

white hair, I mean, it's amazing.

:

00:47:05,365 --> 00:47:08,435

I mean, they just-- everything, they

brought in all the elements that

:

00:47:08,435 --> 00:47:12,225

you expect and just did it so well.

:

00:47:12,735 --> 00:47:14,465

Katie: Everything brought

in all the elements that you

:

00:47:14,465 --> 00:47:15,505

would expect and- Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:15,505 --> 00:47:15,535

Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:15,535 --> 00:47:19,767

One of the other things that I took

note of was the- The animal actors,

:

00:47:20,007 --> 00:47:22,987

there were so-- in addition to the dogs,

:

00:47:23,787 --> 00:47:28,037

the Dalmatians and other dogs,

there were so many animals.

:

00:47:28,187 --> 00:47:29,717

They're doing a really

:

00:47:30,002 --> 00:47:32,512

Lizzy: Yeah, Yeah, they do so well.

:

00:47:32,542 --> 00:47:38,702

I honestly wa- rewatching it this

time, I-- the one animal that I think

:

00:47:38,702 --> 00:47:40,742

captivated me the most was Perdy.

:

00:47:40,782 --> 00:47:43,732

I think she, that dog did a great job.

:

00:47:43,732 --> 00:47:45,032

She did a really, really good job.

:

00:47:45,082 --> 00:47:47,622

You know, I mean, you, when you

watch the movie as an adult, you

:

00:47:47,622 --> 00:47:52,852

understand that this is the dog is

being, it has a trainer, and the,

:

00:47:52,852 --> 00:47:54,752

this is all kind of being done.

:

00:47:54,752 --> 00:47:58,962

There's, someone's behind the scene

making them bark or wince or do any of

:

00:47:58,962 --> 00:48:00,262

the things, and they're supposed to do it.

:

00:48:00,592 --> 00:48:08,102

But the trainer, the dog, the editing,

every piece of the puzzle that needed to

:

00:48:08,102 --> 00:48:13,182

come together to make it work made Perdy

really seem like this, like, concerned

:

00:48:13,182 --> 00:48:18,072

mother and made her seem like she was

really falling in love with Pongo.

:

00:48:18,072 --> 00:48:22,162

And even watching it as an adult,

knowing full well what's going on

:

00:48:22,162 --> 00:48:26,822

behind the scenes, like, you still get

sucked into this sweet little story.

:

00:48:26,822 --> 00:48:32,352

And like, even her bark is, like, so cute

and dainty, and I just, I, I loved her.

:

00:48:32,382 --> 00:48:33,862

I thought she was fantastic.

:

00:48:33,912 --> 00:48:36,422

And I was always a Pongo

girl when I was a kid.

:

00:48:36,782 --> 00:48:41,762

I loved Pongo and the ... He was my

favorite in the in the animated one.

:

00:48:41,762 --> 00:48:46,112

But I, and I really liked him

as a kid in the live action.

:

00:48:46,112 --> 00:48:48,372

But this time around, I was

giving Perdy her flowers.

:

00:48:48,372 --> 00:48:48,992

She did great.

:

00:48:49,227 --> 00:48:50,607

Katie: I appreciate how

great the editing was.

:

00:48:50,757 --> 00:48:53,147

I do recall in the

original, the animated one,

:

00:48:53,462 --> 00:48:54,462

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

:

00:48:54,507 --> 00:48:58,047

Katie: characteristics,

yes, very, very dainty.

:

00:48:58,097 --> 00:48:59,487

Perdita, like just

:

00:48:59,607 --> 00:49:04,897

and, and how Pongo, I-- So even the

dogs were very representative of their,

:

00:49:05,137 --> 00:49:06,647

the characters on which they're based

:

00:49:07,427 --> 00:49:08,707

very well.

:

00:49:08,827 --> 00:49:11,246

I also wanted to call

out was it the Airedale,

:

00:49:11,846 --> 00:49:12,306

Terrier

:

00:49:12,411 --> 00:49:13,221

Lizzy: Arendelle, yeah.

:

00:49:13,896 --> 00:49:16,436

Katie: Helping the puppies and

he's telling all the farm animals

:

00:49:16,641 --> 00:49:16,871

Lizzy: Yeah,

:

00:49:16,976 --> 00:49:19,596

Katie: what's going on,

literally doing charades.

:

00:49:19,656 --> 00:49:19,876

I'm like,

:

00:49:19,956 --> 00:49:21,836

that dog, I mean,

:

00:49:22,156 --> 00:49:22,976

good job.

:

00:49:23,756 --> 00:49:24,716

Lizzy: It's so amazing.

:

00:49:24,716 --> 00:49:28,596

I was like, "This, these dogs, I hope

that they had lots of treats on set."

:

00:49:28,596 --> 00:49:29,816

And you're absolutely right.

:

00:49:29,816 --> 00:49:33,316

There's other ... there was, there

were pigs, sheep, that ... There was a

:

00:49:33,316 --> 00:49:39,456

horse that did a great amount of acting

with having to kick and, and wince.

:

00:49:39,456 --> 00:49:41,066

And I mean, it was just

:

00:49:41,616 --> 00:49:46,866

They did a great job because I

think the reason why the, the human

:

00:49:46,866 --> 00:49:51,826

actors are so understated, I feel

like is so intentional because the

:

00:49:51,826 --> 00:49:53,416

movie's ultimately not about them.

:

00:49:53,416 --> 00:49:54,386

It's about the animals.

:

00:49:54,756 --> 00:49:57,556

John Hughes and the actors, they all

really understood the assignment.

:

00:49:57,556 --> 00:50:03,916

The only actor that really is designed

to be over the top is Cruella, and

:

00:50:03,916 --> 00:50:08,966

everybody else is kind of just vehicles

to make the story happen for the animals.

:

00:50:09,036 --> 00:50:09,366

And

:

00:50:09,416 --> 00:50:09,446

Katie: have

:

00:50:10,526 --> 00:50:14,866

Lizzy: and so they just, they all did

such a good job coming together and

:

00:50:14,866 --> 00:50:21,156

making it feel sweet and whimsical,

and it just, it all worked so well.

:

00:50:21,296 --> 00:50:21,716

I loved

:

00:50:21,796 --> 00:50:24,056

Katie: they all really understand this

like the only actor that really is

:

00:50:24,056 --> 00:50:24,886

designed to be the top tier Cruella.

:

00:50:24,886 --> 00:50:27,326

Everybody else is kind of just

vehicles to make the story happen or

:

00:50:27,326 --> 00:50:31,686

vehicles that, And so they just all

do such a good job working together

:

00:50:31,936 --> 00:50:32,326

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:50:32,546 --> 00:50:35,136

Katie: making it feel

sweet but still different.

:

00:50:35,136 --> 00:50:37,316

I, on that point, y- yes,

everything you said 100%.

:

00:50:37,316 --> 00:50:40,276

I feel like now some-- There

was some early CGI in this.

:

00:50:40,276 --> 00:50:42,526

But, but this is '96.

:

00:50:42,576 --> 00:50:42,966

I, I didn't

:

00:50:42,966 --> 00:50:45,516

mind it at all because it wasn't

over, like it wasn't overused,

:

00:50:45,516 --> 00:50:46,346

and for '96 it was pretty good.

:

00:50:46,346 --> 00:50:50,326

But I feel like now instead of having,

And I know some of the, some of them are

:

00:50:50,326 --> 00:50:56,126

probably animatronics and stuff, but I

prefer that over CGI animal any day, you

:

00:50:56,126 --> 00:50:56,436

know?

:

00:50:57,016 --> 00:50:59,286

So, I don't know.

:

00:50:59,506 --> 00:50:59,966

Yeah.

:

00:51:00,336 --> 00:51:02,596

I do have a question, a couple questions.

:

00:51:02,976 --> 00:51:05,916

What is Cruella's plan?

:

00:51:06,996 --> 00:51:10,786

I know this is a Disney movie,

but she's planning to...

:

00:51:10,786 --> 00:51:12,366

Where is she gonna wear this coat

:

00:51:12,766 --> 00:51:18,086

and have no one no- no one notice that

it's, "Hey, a bunch of Dalmatians went

:

00:51:18,086 --> 00:51:21,126

missing and now there's a Dalmatian coat."

:

00:51:21,836 --> 00:51:26,186

Lizzy: Not to mention that she ... The

one thing that, like a plot hole

:

00:51:26,186 --> 00:51:30,636

that confused me was how long

it took Anita to figure out that

:

00:51:30,706 --> 00:51:31,076

Katie: a villain and you're-

:

00:51:31,626 --> 00:51:33,936

Lizzy: It's like, why wasn't

that the first thing on your

:

00:51:34,126 --> 00:51:35,816

Katie: actually starts

thinking- Oh my God.

:

00:51:36,106 --> 00:51:36,866

Lizzy: yes, so like

:

00:51:36,866 --> 00:51:38,336

it's like halfway through the movie.

:

00:51:38,366 --> 00:51:38,736

Yes.

:

00:51:39,076 --> 00:51:40,326

You know she's been over.

:

00:51:40,326 --> 00:51:43,336

She's already solicit you,

solicited you for the puppies.

:

00:51:43,616 --> 00:51:48,596

She's told you what she intends

to do with them, and then she

:

00:51:48,596 --> 00:51:51,426

also stormed out really angry.

:

00:51:51,426 --> 00:51:54,966

And to know her is to know that she's

not the person who's gonna take no for

:

00:51:54,966 --> 00:51:57,086

an answer to sh- boss, so you know her.

:

00:51:57,636 --> 00:52:01,346

And I, I watched that

and I was like, "Huh.

:

00:52:01,346 --> 00:52:02,026

I'm s- wait.

:

00:52:02,026 --> 00:52:04,696

I thought this ... I must have,

like, missed that, that she

:

00:52:04,696 --> 00:52:07,026

actually didn't realize that?"

:

00:52:07,026 --> 00:52:11,386

'Cause to your point, Cruella had--

I mean, the only way that that

:

00:52:11,386 --> 00:52:14,596

would've worked, she would've had

to just like move and just start...

:

00:52:14,596 --> 00:52:18,076

I mean, you can't wear

that to a red carpet

:

00:52:18,361 --> 00:52:18,701

Katie: that to

:

00:52:18,976 --> 00:52:19,556

Lizzy: knowing full...

:

00:52:19,556 --> 00:52:21,526

But same thing, but the exact same

:

00:52:21,526 --> 00:52:22,546

thing with the tiger.

:

00:52:22,576 --> 00:52:27,256

Like if, you know, that was like a huge

news story in London at the time, so

:

00:52:27,256 --> 00:52:32,076

if you just come walking out with that

tiger coat, like everybody's gonna know.

:

00:52:32,226 --> 00:52:32,666

So I...

:

00:52:32,666 --> 00:52:37,496

That is definitely a, a weird

plot hole that, that she

:

00:52:37,496 --> 00:52:39,006

doesn't actually fully address.

:

00:52:39,751 --> 00:52:40,071

Katie: Great.

:

00:52:40,351 --> 00:52:44,381

I'm glad that you brought up the

Anita taking forever to figure it out.

:

00:52:44,461 --> 00:52:44,561

I

:

00:52:44,641 --> 00:52:47,451

too was like, "Oh my

God, Anita, get with the

:

00:52:47,466 --> 00:52:47,746

Lizzy: guess.

:

00:52:49,261 --> 00:52:51,841

Katie: Yeah, we kind of already talked

about like a lot of the "Home Alone"

:

00:52:52,041 --> 00:52:55,461

stuff, and a lot of times I kind of,

I don't know if complain is the right

:

00:52:55,541 --> 00:52:58,001

word, but it's just not as well done,

:

00:52:58,961 --> 00:53:00,521

you know, in a lot of his other movies.

:

00:53:00,941 --> 00:53:06,121

Not "Home Alone," but kinda

tries to repeat that same formula

:

00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:07,421

over and over and over again.

:

00:53:07,801 --> 00:53:10,761

But it somehow it works in this as well.

:

00:53:10,936 --> 00:53:11,276

Lizzy: Yes.

:

00:53:11,901 --> 00:53:12,681

Katie: Don't you think?

:

00:53:12,751 --> 00:53:13,991

There weren't too many.

:

00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:15,411

And they were a little bit different.

:

00:53:15,471 --> 00:53:16,891

There were some that were a trademark,

:

00:53:17,371 --> 00:53:22,971

do you have thoughts about that, that

typical the falls and mishaps and stuff?

:

00:53:23,506 --> 00:53:28,246

Lizzy: I think it's-- I think when

it's done, I think the f- the formula

:

00:53:28,246 --> 00:53:30,286

really is like you have to have...

:

00:53:30,286 --> 00:53:35,546

And honestly, I'm gonna take a note from

that kid that tests all the video games.

:

00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:36,946

Like he really is spot on.

:

00:53:36,946 --> 00:53:37,966

Like you need a villain.

:

00:53:37,966 --> 00:53:40,316

Whoever your villain

is, like that matters.

:

00:53:40,316 --> 00:53:45,156

And I think why Home Alone matters so

much is because the Wet Bandits are...

:

00:53:46,066 --> 00:53:50,046

Even though they're inherently bad,

and we know this, and no one's rooting

:

00:53:50,046 --> 00:53:55,366

for them to successfully hurt Kevin

or raid the house, but but there's a

:

00:53:55,366 --> 00:54:00,776

silliness to them that makes it fun

to watch, and you ultimately can infer

:

00:54:00,776 --> 00:54:02,306

that everything's gonna end up okay.

:

00:54:02,306 --> 00:54:03,536

So there's not a lot of fear.

:

00:54:03,536 --> 00:54:04,696

It's just kind of more fun.

:

00:54:05,266 --> 00:54:09,226

And I think that that really

applies itself to this movie.

:

00:54:09,256 --> 00:54:11,116

I think that it feels earned

:

00:54:11,121 --> 00:54:11,731

Katie: is so important

:

00:54:11,806 --> 00:54:17,306

Lizzy: when the puppies start fighting

back because the kidnapping's happened

:

00:54:17,306 --> 00:54:21,206

and and they've all been rescued and

it's you know, it's really just kind of

:

00:54:21,206 --> 00:54:24,376

like one puppy against the other ones.

:

00:54:24,426 --> 00:54:28,236

And they're-- the fall through the

rotting wood, that's definitely a John

:

00:54:28,351 --> 00:54:28,861

Katie: my favorite part.

:

00:54:28,911 --> 00:54:29,311

Mm-hmm,

:

00:54:29,506 --> 00:54:29,966

Lizzy: trademark.

:

00:54:30,146 --> 00:54:33,096

I-- The one that I remember sticking

with me when I was a kid, and it

:

00:54:33,096 --> 00:54:36,686

was just as impactful watching it

now, is when Horace gets flown into

:

00:54:37,446 --> 00:54:40,856

the pond, and he is like freezing.

:

00:54:40,856 --> 00:54:43,741

He's like, "Cold, cold,"

and he like fl- Freezes.

:

00:54:43,791 --> 00:54:46,561

Katie: in place- He

literally freezes in place.

:

00:54:46,921 --> 00:54:47,441

Lizzy: yeah, literally freezes, yes.

:

00:54:47,441 --> 00:54:52,281

And then the last one that I feel

was kind of a fun different element

:

00:54:52,561 --> 00:54:54,151

Katie: watching this crap

:

00:54:54,321 --> 00:54:57,731

Lizzy: these raccoons and their

squirrel they're all messing with their

:

00:54:57,731 --> 00:55:04,201

van, and they're doing it probably

10 to 15 minutes prior before any of

:

00:55:04,201 --> 00:55:05,761

this other stuff starts happening.

:

00:55:05,761 --> 00:55:09,041

So then they get into the car, and you

kind of almost forget that all that's

:

00:55:09,041 --> 00:55:12,931

been done and and so they're driving

away, and he's like, "I'm so cold.

:

00:55:12,931 --> 00:55:13,501

I'm so cold.

:

00:55:13,501 --> 00:55:14,411

I just need the heat.

:

00:55:14,411 --> 00:55:15,181

I just need the heat."

:

00:55:15,181 --> 00:55:16,991

And turns it on and blazes fire.

:

00:55:16,991 --> 00:55:18,691

He's like, "Too hot, too hot."

:

00:55:18,761 --> 00:55:19,951

And I don't know, it works for me.

:

00:55:19,981 --> 00:55:23,821

I think like one to two things per guy,

:

00:55:23,911 --> 00:55:24,161

and

:

00:55:24,261 --> 00:55:28,681

so I think because, you know, in again,

in like a Home Alone or something

:

00:55:28,681 --> 00:55:31,541

else, it was like that's kind of

more the central focus of the movie.

:

00:55:32,011 --> 00:55:35,631

So I think because it was so

minimal, you were able to enjoy

:

00:55:35,631 --> 00:55:37,221

it without it getting stale.

:

00:55:38,306 --> 00:55:39,566

Katie: Yeah, those are great points.

:

00:55:39,786 --> 00:55:43,006

They did a good job setting up

something and then you kinda forget

:

00:55:43,046 --> 00:55:44,486

about it and it's gonna happen later.

:

00:55:44,526 --> 00:55:45,806

There were several of those.

:

00:55:45,866 --> 00:55:47,106

The, the skunk one

:

00:55:47,366 --> 00:55:47,506

too.

:

00:55:47,576 --> 00:55:49,016

You're like, "This is here for a reason.

:

00:55:49,056 --> 00:55:49,756

When is, when's it

:

00:55:49,776 --> 00:55:50,316

gonna happen?

:

00:55:50,336 --> 00:55:51,056

When's it gonna happen?"

:

00:55:51,606 --> 00:55:53,126

Always a little bit of a surprise.

:

00:55:53,266 --> 00:55:56,436

I did also read to your point

about that kid is right.

:

00:55:56,496 --> 00:55:57,816

The villain needs to...

:

00:55:57,876 --> 00:56:03,036

you need a proper villain, and I

guess it was Glenn Close's idea

:

00:56:03,076 --> 00:56:04,336

to kinda change her a little bit.

:

00:56:04,396 --> 00:56:07,976

I guess the original written

version of her was too soft in, in

:

00:56:08,236 --> 00:56:08,516

Glenn's

:

00:56:08,851 --> 00:56:09,841

Lizzy: Ooh, okay.

:

00:56:10,396 --> 00:56:15,326

Katie: So she was hoping and proposed

that she play it bitchier and funnier,

:

00:56:16,401 --> 00:56:17,201

Lizzy: She did great,

:

00:56:17,246 --> 00:56:19,846

Katie: and I, it, yeah,

it totally works, so.

:

00:56:20,021 --> 00:56:21,411

Lizzy: Yeah, she did fantastic.

:

00:56:21,876 --> 00:56:23,656

Katie: And then she thought that making...

:

00:56:23,696 --> 00:56:24,366

I mean, she's right.

:

00:56:24,366 --> 00:56:25,306

This is, this is true.

:

00:56:25,306 --> 00:56:26,056

This is what you were saying.

:

00:56:26,056 --> 00:56:27,226

This is what the kid is saying.

:

00:56:27,826 --> 00:56:29,846

It's a whole comeuppance.

:

00:56:29,886 --> 00:56:35,276

But she said it's more deserving and we,

we really enjoy her getting that at the

:

00:56:35,276 --> 00:56:38,206

end because because she was so extreme

:

00:56:38,721 --> 00:56:39,771

Lizzy: Yes, I love that.

:

00:56:39,976 --> 00:56:40,476

Katie: the movie.

:

00:56:40,811 --> 00:56:45,321

Lizzy: And the kid says it

perfectly because when, um, when,

:

00:56:45,321 --> 00:56:47,941

Roger is like, "What if, what if we

could find a different villain, like

:

00:56:47,941 --> 00:56:49,431

somebody you could really hate?"

:

00:56:49,831 --> 00:56:53,631

And he makes this really poignant comment

of like, it's not hatred that's important,

:

00:56:53,631 --> 00:56:55,071

it's the , desire to annihilate."

:

00:56:55,071 --> 00:56:58,741

And that is why all of these

different movies where you have

:

00:56:58,741 --> 00:57:04,091

really colorful villains, it works

because you aga- you don't hate them.

:

00:57:04,091 --> 00:57:07,581

You don't hate the Wet Bandits,

you don't hate Horace and Jasper.

:

00:57:07,581 --> 00:57:08,381

You don't really...

:

00:57:08,971 --> 00:57:15,391

You, you strongly dislike Cruella, but

you're also strangely attracted to seeing

:

00:57:15,391 --> 00:57:19,131

her on your screen, and you're excited

when she fails and when she gets arrested.

:

00:57:19,191 --> 00:57:22,991

But it doesn't change the fact that

You recognize also that she's just

:

00:57:22,991 --> 00:57:24,971

iconic, and it's just amazing to watch.

:

00:57:24,971 --> 00:57:28,361

So hatred is not a part of the recipe.

:

00:57:28,361 --> 00:57:32,731

It's just being so excited when

the payoff finally comes, and they

:

00:57:32,731 --> 00:57:37,991

all get arrested and skunked in the

backseat of the car, and it works.

:

00:57:38,466 --> 00:57:39,526

Katie: It definitely does.

:

00:57:39,526 --> 00:57:43,266

So there's a few other things

that Glenn that I, I read about

:

00:57:43,516 --> 00:57:45,186

how she approached the role.

:

00:57:45,586 --> 00:57:48,896

Have you ever seen the show or

heard of it, a '90s British show

:

00:57:48,896 --> 00:57:50,796

called "Absolutely Fabulous"?

:

00:57:51,631 --> 00:57:52,321

Lizzy: No.

:

00:57:52,321 --> 00:57:52,471

No,

:

00:57:52,471 --> 00:57:52,731

I've

:

00:57:52,731 --> 00:57:53,641

never heard of him before

:

00:57:54,526 --> 00:57:55,916

Katie: It's hard to explain.

:

00:57:56,486 --> 00:57:57,826

It is so funny.

:

00:57:57,826 --> 00:57:59,066

It's very specific.

:

00:57:59,066 --> 00:58:03,216

It's these two rich, middle-aged

women d- and just, like,

:

00:58:03,216 --> 00:58:05,096

they're, they're just ridiculous.

:

00:58:05,096 --> 00:58:06,806

Like, they're just so over the top.

:

00:58:07,236 --> 00:58:10,916

Anyway, one of the

characters' names is Patsy.

:

00:58:11,196 --> 00:58:11,606

Joanna...

:

00:58:11,646 --> 00:58:13,786

the, I think the actress

is Joanna Lumley, and

:

00:58:13,786 --> 00:58:15,716

she's playing Patsy.

:

00:58:16,006 --> 00:58:21,096

And glenn Close based her vocal

enunciations on the way that Patsy

:

00:58:21,096 --> 00:58:22,916

talks, and it is very specific.

:

00:58:22,916 --> 00:58:25,066

So I, I thought that was awesome.

:

00:58:25,546 --> 00:58:27,536

The costumes, I guess,

:

00:58:28,276 --> 00:58:28,566

were...

:

00:58:28,986 --> 00:58:32,946

Yes, and it took weeks to design

and, all of these fittings with

:

00:58:32,946 --> 00:58:35,316

her, and she was in the corsets.

:

00:58:35,316 --> 00:58:38,486

And I did notice in one scene, I'm

like, "Oh my God, her waist is tiny."

:

00:58:38,746 --> 00:58:40,796

Her waist was 21 inches at the

:

00:58:41,061 --> 00:58:42,211

Lizzy: Oh my gosh.

:

00:58:42,381 --> 00:58:43,171

Oh my gosh.

:

00:58:43,171 --> 00:58:44,811

Yeah, no, that's so tiny.

:

00:58:45,111 --> 00:58:51,341

Yes, I-- specifically, she's like sitting,

and she stands up, and I remember when

:

00:58:51,341 --> 00:58:56,051

she stood, I was like, "Oh my gosh,

she has a legitimate Coke bottle body."

:

00:58:56,051 --> 00:58:58,381

She is just so snatched.

:

00:58:58,991 --> 00:59:00,901

Oh my gosh, the outfits were amazing.

:

00:59:00,951 --> 00:59:05,551

That whole red outfit with the

red leather boots, I loved that so

:

00:59:05,866 --> 00:59:07,526

Katie: Oh, the outfits were amazing.

:

00:59:07,541 --> 00:59:08,411

Lizzy: outfits were so good.

:

00:59:08,826 --> 00:59:10,636

Katie: her design, the House of Deville,

:

00:59:10,686 --> 00:59:13,466

her fashion empire, it was so chic.

:

00:59:13,706 --> 00:59:13,776

I

:

00:59:13,776 --> 00:59:16,056

mean, aside from the

fact that it's animals'

:

00:59:16,436 --> 00:59:18,476

fur and stuff, like I, I hate all of that.

:

00:59:18,476 --> 00:59:18,916

But I

:

00:59:18,916 --> 00:59:22,376

don't know, there was something,

something about it that was just epic.

:

00:59:22,456 --> 00:59:24,406

But she couldn't sit down.

:

00:59:24,766 --> 00:59:26,326

She couldn't breathe sometimes.

:

00:59:26,326 --> 00:59:28,416

She'd get faint 'cause of the corset being

:

00:59:28,416 --> 00:59:29,796

so, so tight.

:

00:59:30,266 --> 00:59:33,936

And she stayed in character a

lot and therefore, a lot of the

:

00:59:33,936 --> 00:59:35,586

animals were actually afraid of her.

:

00:59:36,421 --> 00:59:37,851

Lizzy: Oh, my gosh.

:

00:59:38,026 --> 00:59:38,706

Katie: I know.

:

00:59:38,761 --> 00:59:39,111

Lizzy: It's so

:

00:59:39,216 --> 00:59:39,576

Katie: It...

:

00:59:40,351 --> 00:59:40,781

Lizzy: sad

:

00:59:40,946 --> 00:59:44,786

Katie: I didn't realize this about her,

but I guess she's a stickler for method

:

00:59:44,786 --> 00:59:46,946

acting and, things being authentic.

:

00:59:47,516 --> 00:59:47,876

And now that.

:

00:59:47,876 --> 00:59:49,416

I'm think- saying that,

I'm like, "Of course.

:

00:59:49,416 --> 00:59:50,906

Yeah, think, think through things, Katie.

:

00:59:50,906 --> 00:59:51,466

Yeah, of course."

:

00:59:51,896 --> 00:59:58,166

She insisted on doing the vat

of molasses stunt herself.

:

00:59:58,266 --> 00:59:58,326

Yeah.

:

00:59:58,451 --> 00:59:58,881

Lizzy: Wow.

:

00:59:58,951 --> 01:00:00,601

That scene's actually terrifying.

:

01:00:00,601 --> 01:00:03,431

When she comes back up for air,

that is the scene that reminds

:

01:00:03,431 --> 01:00:06,271

me the most of Fatal Attraction,

'cause she gives that same c-

:

01:00:06,921 --> 01:00:09,991

blood-curdling scream when she comes up.

:

01:00:11,451 --> 01:00:13,961

And I mean, I would too,

to be fair, if I was just,

:

01:00:14,281 --> 01:00:14,851

Katie: Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:15,031 --> 01:00:17,251

Lizzy: Completely submerged in molasses.

:

01:00:17,671 --> 01:00:23,621

But but yeah, I mean, that scene is,

actually legitimately scary when she

:

01:00:23,621 --> 01:00:25,181

comes back from the water and then...

:

01:00:25,181 --> 01:00:28,751

Or the, out of the molasses, and then

poor thing, she just has no choice but

:

01:00:28,751 --> 01:00:31,741

to exhaustedly roll out and just get...

:

01:00:32,861 --> 01:00:34,631

she's, like, basically

tarred and feathered.

:

01:00:35,611 --> 01:00:38,341

Katie: Yeah, 'cause she gets

kicked into the mud or the...

:

01:00:38,371 --> 01:00:38,641

Right?

:

01:00:38,641 --> 01:00:42,901

Something like even after that, I don't

know if it's manure or mud or both, but

:

01:00:42,951 --> 01:00:44,401

That's where she gets

found, and she's like,

:

01:00:45,041 --> 01:00:45,561

"What's wrong?

:

01:00:45,721 --> 01:00:45,821

what's

:

01:00:46,071 --> 01:00:46,281

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

01:00:46,681 --> 01:00:47,581

Something wrong.

:

01:00:47,871 --> 01:00:48,321

Yeah.

:

01:00:50,331 --> 01:00:54,571

Katie: This happens a lot in

movies, like obviously everyone

:

01:00:54,571 --> 01:00:58,581

loved this, and the puppies are so

cute, and so there's always this...

:

01:00:58,581 --> 01:01:02,971

Whenever there's a specific breed of dog

or animal in a popular show or a movie,

:

01:01:02,971 --> 01:01:07,711

of course there's a giant uptick of

people, purchasing those dogs and then,

:

01:01:07,991 --> 01:01:08,431

Lizzy: Oh, yeah.

:

01:01:09,551 --> 01:01:13,761

Katie: less than you know,

breeders that are doing it for

:

01:01:13,761 --> 01:01:14,771

the wrong reasons and stuff.

:

01:01:14,801 --> 01:01:18,691

And I'm such a huge advocate for, adopting

from shelters and rescue groups and

:

01:01:18,691 --> 01:01:21,131

stuff like that, so this always irks me.

:

01:01:21,131 --> 01:01:25,561

But per ushe, you know, 'cause

people be people-ing Dalmatian

:

01:01:25,561 --> 01:01:27,271

sales shot up after the premiere.

:

01:01:27,441 --> 01:01:28,861

Impulsive purchases.

:

01:01:28,911 --> 01:01:33,321

And Dalmatians are a very specific breed,

probably not suited for a lot of people,

:

01:01:33,901 --> 01:01:38,981

and so people were ill-prepared, and so

there was like a huge surge in Dalmatians

:

01:01:38,981 --> 01:01:40,731

showing up at shelters and having

:

01:01:40,731 --> 01:01:41,721

to be euthanized,

:

01:01:42,641 --> 01:01:43,711

Lizzy: Oh, that's so sad.

:

01:01:43,751 --> 01:01:47,671

My next door neighbor growing

up had a Dalmatian, and I'm-- I

:

01:01:47,671 --> 01:01:49,531

don't wanna speak ill of any...

:

01:01:49,531 --> 01:01:51,341

I mean, 'cause I'm a big dog person.

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01:01:51,341 --> 01:01:52,481

I love dogs.

:

01:01:52,531 --> 01:01:57,001

And I think that that particular

Dalmatian had a huge bond to its owner.

:

01:01:57,031 --> 01:02:00,981

But nonetheless, he did not really

like a whole lot of other people.

:

01:02:00,981 --> 01:02:04,061

So, it was a thing that we all just,

knew to stay away, 'cause of course,

:

01:02:04,061 --> 01:02:07,951

when you, especially when you love

dogs, you don't wanna provoke a dog

:

01:02:07,951 --> 01:02:09,731

for the dog and for your own safety.

:

01:02:09,731 --> 01:02:13,181

But, But that dog was

always so pretty to look at.

:

01:02:13,181 --> 01:02:14,211

It was like eye candy.

:

01:02:14,251 --> 01:02:15,271

... we always like- ...loved

:

01:02:15,441 --> 01:02:19,261

looking at him, but everybody

knew you don't run up and pet him.

:

01:02:19,291 --> 01:02:20,391

He, he doesn't like it.

:

01:02:20,481 --> 01:02:23,001

But he loved, loved, loved his owner.

:

01:02:23,031 --> 01:02:24,851

And so that was kind of always a treat.

:

01:02:25,251 --> 01:02:29,411

And slightly a bummer because when the--

when he had a Dalmatian, I was like, "Oh,

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01:02:29,441 --> 01:02:31,651

naturally," like, "He's like a Pongo."

:

01:02:31,651 --> 01:02:32,551

And then we loved it.

:

01:02:32,591 --> 01:02:34,551

But but that is really, really sad.

:

01:02:34,551 --> 01:02:35,041

You were right.

:

01:02:35,041 --> 01:02:40,301

Dalmatians are, from what I understand,

are just kind of a-- almost like a

:

01:02:40,301 --> 01:02:44,291

husky in the sense where they're, like,

kinda ornery, and they're sensitive, so

:

01:02:44,291 --> 01:02:46,241

they're just not really for everybody.

:

01:02:46,241 --> 01:02:50,071

But I think in the right circumstance,

in the right environment, there's, Like

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01:02:50,071 --> 01:02:51,231

I said, him and him and his owner had

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01:02:51,231 --> 01:02:52,811

Katie: Yeah, I, I-- Same.

:

01:02:53,181 --> 01:02:57,531

It's just like the, this hap- whatever

the movie is, a certain breed gets

:

01:02:57,531 --> 01:02:59,881

popular and, and it's impulsive purchases.

:

01:02:59,901 --> 01:03:00,611

Again, like

:

01:03:00,891 --> 01:03:01,251

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

01:03:01,791 --> 01:03:04,501

Katie: every family is different

and every pet should be suited to

:

01:03:04,501 --> 01:03:05,811

you, so do a little bit of research.

:

01:03:05,861 --> 01:03:07,671

Also, as Bob Barker says,

:

01:03:08,191 --> 01:03:12,301

help control The pet population, by

having your pets spayed or neutered.

:

01:03:12,381 --> 01:03:12,601

I c-

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01:03:12,621 --> 01:03:13,241

Lizzy: That's right.

:

01:03:14,091 --> 01:03:16,221

Katie: it kinda drove me nuts

that at the end, I know it's a,

:

01:03:16,331 --> 01:03:17,441

it's a movie, but they're like

:

01:03:17,741 --> 01:03:19,211

Lizzy: Oh,

:

01:03:19,281 --> 01:03:21,561

Katie: their g- and their kids,

and I'm like, "Can you spay

:

01:03:21,561 --> 01:03:22,891

and neuter these dang dogs

:

01:03:23,021 --> 01:03:25,111

Lizzy: Seriously, you're,

like, living in a castle.

:

01:03:25,111 --> 01:03:26,801

That's-- yes, that's really funny.

:

01:03:26,801 --> 01:03:28,831

We we-- So we, we just actually...

:

01:03:28,831 --> 01:03:30,621

Ugh, we had to say goodbye in November.

:

01:03:30,621 --> 01:03:33,131

Oh, I remember podcasting

with you, so I told you this.

:

01:03:33,131 --> 01:03:36,191

But we had to say goodbye to our

14-year-old dog, and that was

:

01:03:36,191 --> 01:03:37,331

so rough on our whole family.

:

01:03:37,331 --> 01:03:40,151

We loved her so deeply.

:

01:03:40,221 --> 01:03:43,391

But we, yeah, we did copious amounts

of research first because We really

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01:03:43,391 --> 01:03:45,421

were really aware of what we wanted.

:

01:03:45,421 --> 01:03:47,411

We wanted a dog that that would be great.

:

01:03:47,411 --> 01:03:48,531

We had-- She was a border collie.

:

01:03:48,531 --> 01:03:49,571

She was fantastic.

:

01:03:49,601 --> 01:03:51,181

She was my little, like, running buddy.

:

01:03:51,481 --> 01:03:53,241

And then and then so good with the kids.

:

01:03:53,241 --> 01:03:53,821

Oh my gosh, yeah.

:

01:03:53,851 --> 01:03:55,731

Very high energy, but in the best...

:

01:03:55,841 --> 01:03:58,091

But at the time when we were

young, it was perfect for us.

:

01:03:58,091 --> 01:04:01,501

And, And then she was,

like, our kids' best bud.

:

01:04:02,001 --> 01:04:02,711

And ugh,

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01:04:02,851 --> 01:04:03,501

Katie: Yeah, that's really

:

01:04:03,521 --> 01:04:04,281

Lizzy: love her so much.

:

01:04:04,721 --> 01:04:06,261

I love the, I know, we'll get a...

:

01:04:06,291 --> 01:04:09,041

The, the kids are all like,

"Mom, can we please get a dog?

:

01:04:09,041 --> 01:04:10,071

Can we please get a dog?"

:

01:04:10,071 --> 01:04:14,641

And we're in an interim phase of life

where we're building a house, and we're

:

01:04:14,641 --> 01:04:16,281

living with my parents in the interim.

:

01:04:16,281 --> 01:04:17,361

And I'm like, "Not now."

:

01:04:17,391 --> 01:04:17,771

"Now is

:

01:04:17,771 --> 01:04:18,701

not the time.

:

01:04:18,791 --> 01:04:19,101

now."

:

01:04:19,721 --> 01:04:22,691

Like, like, "We can't do this to Nani

and Papa and bring a puppy in the house."

:

01:04:22,721 --> 01:04:27,271

I was like, "But I promise a

puppy is, is big on the agenda."

:

01:04:27,271 --> 01:04:31,001

So this got all of the kids-- Watching

this movie got everybody really...

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01:04:31,391 --> 01:04:32,451

We caught the puppy bug

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01:04:33,391 --> 01:04:34,311

Katie: Well, how could you not?

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01:04:34,311 --> 01:04:34,481

Those

:

01:04:34,481 --> 01:04:36,241

puppies, it was cuteness overload.

:

01:04:36,291 --> 01:04:39,181

I mean, I, you just can't stand it.

:

01:04:39,291 --> 01:04:44,011

I did also read a few varying

accounts of how many Dalmatians

:

01:04:44,011 --> 01:04:45,601

were used, for the shooting of this.

:

01:04:46,121 --> 01:04:48,341

So it was-- So there's

two adult dogs, right?

:

01:04:48,341 --> 01:04:51,611

But they had 20 actually playing Pongo and

:

01:04:51,921 --> 01:04:52,821

Lizzy: Oh, wow.

:

01:04:52,891 --> 01:04:53,261

Okay.

:

01:04:53,291 --> 01:04:55,261

I never would've known.

:

01:04:55,391 --> 01:04:55,511

I

:

01:04:55,791 --> 01:04:56,651

Katie: I don't know how that works.

:

01:04:56,651 --> 01:05:04,881

But somewhere between 230 and 300 puppies

because they had to be a certain age,

:

01:05:04,881 --> 01:05:09,161

like between five and six weeks, and then

the, you know, if they get too big...

:

01:05:09,551 --> 01:05:10,621

So they had to, you know,

:

01:05:10,931 --> 01:05:15,071

Lizzy: Ugh, can you imagine

being, like, an assistant or

:

01:05:15,071 --> 01:05:18,501

something on set and they're like,

"Hey, listen we need your help.

:

01:05:18,901 --> 01:05:22,991

I need you to just entertain these,

we're gonna just give each of you 20

:

01:05:22,991 --> 01:05:27,701

puppies, and you just have to basically

keep them entertained for an hour."

:

01:05:27,731 --> 01:05:27,901

I...

:

01:05:27,901 --> 01:05:30,351

That would be like, sign me up 100%.

:

01:05:30,351 --> 01:05:31,261

I want that job.

:

01:05:32,171 --> 01:05:32,681

We used

:

01:05:32,971 --> 01:05:33,971

Katie: Oh my God.

:

01:05:34,011 --> 01:05:37,341

Lizzy: I was in college, this was

before we could have a dog, 'cause

:

01:05:37,341 --> 01:05:39,881

we were living in an apartment, they

were, like, really strict about pets.

:

01:05:40,191 --> 01:05:44,571

But whenever we were bored, my my roommate

and I would go to the Humane Society and

:

01:05:44,571 --> 01:05:46,071

just play with the puppies all day long.

:

01:05:46,071 --> 01:05:48,781

Because oh my gosh, they just

let you sit in a room and play

:

01:05:48,781 --> 01:05:49,941

with puppies, and who doesn't

:

01:05:50,751 --> 01:05:52,481

love to sit and play with puppies?

:

01:05:52,481 --> 01:05:54,201

It is the best.

:

01:05:54,781 --> 01:05:56,501

Yeah, it's like total dopamine spike.

:

01:05:56,531 --> 01:05:57,541

It was the best.

:

01:05:58,341 --> 01:06:00,361

Katie: I gotta figure out a

way to get paid to do that,

:

01:06:00,751 --> 01:06:00,861

you

:

01:06:00,871 --> 01:06:00,971

Lizzy: Right.

:

01:06:01,831 --> 01:06:02,271

I know.

:

01:06:02,481 --> 01:06:03,011

We really do.

:

01:06:03,011 --> 01:06:05,991

And we, we eventually got to a point

where they were like, this particular

:

01:06:05,991 --> 01:06:11,331

Humane Society was really busy, and

they were real- and which is a good

:

01:06:11,331 --> 01:06:14,531

thing, but they they started to get

irritated with us 'cause they They knew

:

01:06:14,531 --> 01:06:16,771

that, we had no intention of adopting.

:

01:06:16,771 --> 01:06:19,991

Eventually, when we moved into a

place that would allow me to have a

:

01:06:19,991 --> 01:06:22,981

cat, I did adopt a cat, but I, Oh.

:

01:06:23,241 --> 01:06:23,881

Yes, I loved her.

:

01:06:23,881 --> 01:06:25,161

We had her for 13 years.

:

01:06:25,161 --> 01:06:28,031

But we were like "But why, why

is the problem that we're here?

:

01:06:28,031 --> 01:06:28,431

We're just...

:

01:06:28,431 --> 01:06:29,391

We're gonna entertain them.

:

01:06:29,441 --> 01:06:32,011

We're outside, so we'll make sure

everybody goes to the bathroom

:

01:06:32,011 --> 01:06:33,151

before we walk them back in."

:

01:06:33,151 --> 01:06:36,121

It's, you know, it's like you're

a free volunteer, basically.

:

01:06:36,981 --> 01:06:37,371

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:06:37,811 --> 01:06:40,431

I mean, they probably need

more volunteers to walk the

:

01:06:40,431 --> 01:06:41,911

adult dogs that are, like, just

:

01:06:41,911 --> 01:06:43,221

stuck in their kennels all day.

:

01:06:43,461 --> 01:06:44,821

Lizzy: I Bless their hearts, I know.

:

01:06:45,101 --> 01:06:47,121

We would play with some

of those too, to be fair.

:

01:06:47,201 --> 01:06:47,891

We, yes.

:

01:06:48,471 --> 01:06:52,711

Katie: But yeah, I mean, the puppies

are just, way too cute in this.

:

01:06:53,621 --> 01:06:54,511

I'm a huge animal person.

:

01:06:54,511 --> 01:06:56,081

I loved all the animals in this.

:

01:06:56,521 --> 01:07:03,171

What I didn't know, it's also kind

of sad, but I did not know that...

:

01:07:03,221 --> 01:07:05,911

So there's skunks and raccoons in

the movie, obviously, and this is

:

01:07:05,911 --> 01:07:06,871

set in London.

:

01:07:07,521 --> 01:07:11,421

Well, apparently those are,

are not inhabitants of the UK.

:

01:07:12,621 --> 01:07:13,741

Lizzy: Oh, I didn't know that.

:

01:07:14,551 --> 01:07:15,041

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:07:15,041 --> 01:07:15,991

Lizzy: That's so crazy.

:

01:07:16,001 --> 01:07:17,721

Katie: Like they're not natural...

:

01:07:19,181 --> 01:07:21,081

They do not naturally exist there

:

01:07:21,926 --> 01:07:25,636

Lizzy: I guess they're like more

like woodland creatures, and I

:

01:07:25,636 --> 01:07:29,416

guess I'm trying to think of what's

the natural terrain in London?

:

01:07:29,456 --> 01:07:33,096

Is it just more There's not

like a lot of woodsy areas.

:

01:07:33,146 --> 01:07:33,566

I'm trying to

:

01:07:33,736 --> 01:07:34,196

Katie: I have no

:

01:07:34,276 --> 01:07:35,586

Lizzy: I don't know.

:

01:07:35,586 --> 01:07:39,546

I never-- I guess I've never

really given that any thought,

:

01:07:39,546 --> 01:07:41,096

but that is really interesting.

:

01:07:41,356 --> 01:07:43,526

Katie: those two very

specifically, skunks and raccoons.

:

01:07:43,526 --> 01:07:44,156

I mean, I could be wrong.

:

01:07:44,156 --> 01:07:46,756

I, I-- listen, I could be

:

01:07:46,826 --> 01:07:47,406

Lizzy: I believe you.

:

01:07:47,516 --> 01:07:48,686

I'm just saying I've never thought...

:

01:07:48,686 --> 01:07:51,366

I'm, I guess I've-- this is one

of those things I've never really

:

01:07:51,366 --> 01:07:52,796

even sat down and thought about.

:

01:07:53,136 --> 01:07:53,856

Katie: no, me neither.

:

01:07:53,856 --> 01:07:58,746

That's why However, the sad

part is, that being said, there

:

01:07:58,746 --> 01:08:01,336

are actually feral populations

:

01:08:01,626 --> 01:08:02,116

now.

:

01:08:02,176 --> 01:08:08,506

There are raccoons and skunks in England

because they were brought there to be bred

:

01:08:08,506 --> 01:08:11,746

for the fur trade as well as exotic pets.

:

01:08:12,196 --> 01:08:16,765

And then, you know, people, again, people

be people and, and so if some escaped

:

01:08:16,765 --> 01:08:19,986

or maybe people just were like, "Oh,

I don't want this pet anymore, I'll

:

01:08:20,136 --> 01:08:24,656

let it go," so then they're out there

in the wild bre- so it's like feral,

:

01:08:25,006 --> 01:08:25,906

You know, they're just in the

:

01:08:26,066 --> 01:08:26,595

Lizzy: gosh.

:

01:08:26,935 --> 01:08:31,236

You know I know someone that wa- that I

used to work with that had a pet raccoon,

:

01:08:31,895 --> 01:08:32,906

Katie: They are cute.

:

01:08:33,136 --> 01:08:35,216

Lizzy: yes, I mean,

they're very, very cute.

:

01:08:35,246 --> 01:08:40,296

And I think you can also get like the

skunker removed, like the, whatever it is

:

01:08:40,296 --> 01:08:42,286

that emits the, the smell.

:

01:08:42,286 --> 01:08:43,786

You can get that removed from a skunk.

:

01:08:43,856 --> 01:08:46,435

And then-- and I don't, I don't

know if that's invasive or not to

:

01:08:46,435 --> 01:08:50,225

do that, but you can do it, and

apparently they're like cats otherwise.

:

01:08:50,666 --> 01:08:51,026

Katie: Yeah.

:

01:08:51,056 --> 01:08:53,246

They're, I, I can, I imagine they are.

:

01:08:53,456 --> 01:08:56,306

I was just sorta like, how about we

just leave them in the wild and let them

:

01:08:56,466 --> 01:08:57,666

Lizzy: Oh, no, I'm in agreement.

:

01:08:57,706 --> 01:08:59,746

I'm in a, I'm-- you and I

are in agreement in that.

:

01:08:59,746 --> 01:09:03,595

I watched this show ironically

also titled Fatal Attraction.

:

01:09:03,595 --> 01:09:08,546

It was all about like when people

try to when people try to li- like

:

01:09:08,546 --> 01:09:12,475

inhabit wild animals as pets and how

like it always goes horribly wrong.

:

01:09:12,475 --> 01:09:16,786

So like, no, I'm, I'm, I'm

not for wild animals as pets.

:

01:09:16,836 --> 01:09:20,676

I think it's definitely more

impulsive, and it just never-- it's

:

01:09:20,676 --> 01:09:24,246

not sustainable, and then ultimately

the animal ends up suffering.

:

01:09:24,316 --> 01:09:24,786

And

:

01:09:25,166 --> 01:09:27,595

Katie: But I do understand the impulse,

'cause I'm like, "Oh, you're so cute."

:

01:09:27,606 --> 01:09:28,185

Lizzy: They were very cute.

:

01:09:28,236 --> 01:09:29,645

Yeah, they were very, very cute.

:

01:09:29,806 --> 01:09:29,866

Yeah.

:

01:09:29,866 --> 01:09:30,595

Mm-hmm.

:

01:09:32,225 --> 01:09:35,366

Katie: Lizzie, the end see I, it's been

a while since I've seen this, probably

:

01:09:35,366 --> 01:09:41,225

not since '96 maybe, and I couldn't

recall exactly how they justified in

:

01:09:41,225 --> 01:09:43,956

the movie them, keeping all of the dogs.

:

01:09:44,515 --> 01:09:44,916

Lizzy: Yeah.

:

01:09:44,966 --> 01:09:49,376

Katie: W- so if you're in this

position, they bring back the 15

:

01:09:49,376 --> 01:09:51,466

puppies and Pongo and Perdita, okay?

:

01:09:51,466 --> 01:09:55,146

Their family's back together

again, but now there's another

:

01:09:55,296 --> 01:10:00,849

I don't know, 86 puppies, and

they're like, "Hey you want them?

:

01:10:00,849 --> 01:10:02,699

If not, they're going to the pound."

:

01:10:02,699 --> 01:10:03,709

And so they're like,

:

01:10:04,204 --> 01:10:04,794

Lizzy: know, I know.

:

01:10:04,974 --> 01:10:05,864

Katie: What are you doing?

:

01:10:06,099 --> 01:10:08,949

Lizzy: You know, I thought about this

actually when I watched it, of being

:

01:10:08,949 --> 01:10:12,559

like, how would I reconcile doing that?

:

01:10:12,999 --> 01:10:19,169

But, you know, I think to bring my

faith in it, I suppose, I'm a believer

:

01:10:19,169 --> 01:10:22,749

that I think that God puts things

in our path that are, like, so...

:

01:10:23,379 --> 01:10:25,859

You know, there's our plans and then

there's God's plans, and I think that

:

01:10:25,859 --> 01:10:30,159

sometimes, God reveals your calling

whether you're ready for it or not.

:

01:10:30,209 --> 01:10:33,869

And there's a part of me that thinks

if I was in that situation, I would

:

01:10:33,869 --> 01:10:37,799

say to myself, like, obviously

this isn't completely ideal,

:

01:10:37,829 --> 01:10:41,349

but it's like the alternative's

just, I would never allow that.

:

01:10:41,349 --> 01:10:44,979

So I think maybe we just figure it out.

:

01:10:45,089 --> 01:10:50,289

And even though my house is gonna be

completely covered in, you know, fecal

:

01:10:50,289 --> 01:10:55,049

matter constantly, there's always gonna

be some kind of chaos that's happening.

:

01:10:55,049 --> 01:11:00,749

Ultimately, I think the joy that

would come with just having such a

:

01:11:00,749 --> 01:11:06,489

full house would, I guess, supersede

the desire to have my house clean.

:

01:11:06,779 --> 01:11:07,879

And I...

:

01:11:07,959 --> 01:11:09,949

Katie: your house is never

gonna be-- there's no...

:

01:11:09,949 --> 01:11:10,329

Yeah.

:

01:11:10,959 --> 01:11:12,419

100, 100 dog.

:

01:11:12,449 --> 01:11:15,119

And they, they grow up to be

pretty good-sized dogs too.

:

01:11:15,469 --> 01:11:18,419

Lizzy: Yeah, and I mean, she gets

a castle out of it, so I mean, I of

:

01:11:18,419 --> 01:11:22,509

course I guess in that aspect, like

the obedience of that and and kind of

:

01:11:22,509 --> 01:11:26,439

to speak to the characters as well,

they're not living in humble means in

:

01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,479

the sense that they live in a beautiful

flat in downtown London, so obviously

:

01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,719

that they have some kind of financial...

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And they have a nanny.

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So like they they they obviously

of course have connect- have some

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kind of financial cushion, but I

think, And then later they get a

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castle, so obviously they have money.

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But I think that but I think

that the way that they live

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their life seems very humble.

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Like you can just tell that, like,

Anita and Roger aren't really chasing,

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01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:56,919

probably the best way to put it is

in the beginning when Cruella is

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like, "Why haven't I heard from you?

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Why haven't I heard your work?"

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She basically says that, like,

notoriety is not of importance to her.

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She's never really wanted the accolades

that come with being this big designer.

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She just kinda wants to keep her

head down and do her job and if

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she ever left it wouldn't be for

work, it would be to start a family.

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So I think that with that context in

mind, it makes sense why she keeps

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them because ultimately I think she

has that anchor of knowing that just

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family and relationships and love and

dogs are just kind of her passion.

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So I don't know how I would actually

feel about it in the moment, but watching

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it, I'm like, I think as an adult, I

kind of get-- I get it, and it works.

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01:12:40,814 --> 01:12:43,604

Katie: I mean, it's a movie,

but same, I thought about it.

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I was like, "Hmm-" I mean,

reasonably I can't have...

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There's literally not space in my

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01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:54,109

house for 100 dogs, but I would take them.

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01:12:54,219 --> 01:12:57,389

I thought about it enough to be like,

"Okay, well, I will take them," and

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then my, you know, marching orders

are I'm gonna get a bunch of rescues

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01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:07,459

involved, we're gonna set up foster

homes, and we're gonna find actually,

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01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:12,939

you know, good adoptive homes for

them, but not before they are spayed

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and neutered before they can go home.

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01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:17,239

My God, we don't need any more.

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So, so yeah, I would take them and

then, try and help them find families.

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Lizzy: Yes.

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I think that's, I think

that's the right thing.

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Going to the pound would be sad, and

I think she ultimately doesn't want

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01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:32,899

that, and she knows that Purdy--

Pongo and Purdy don't want it either.

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01:13:32,899 --> 01:13:36,759

She's, you know, she got-- she

married Roger 'cause her dogs

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were in-- their dogs were in love.

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So she's, she's definitely

devoted dog mom.

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01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:48,029

Katie: Speaking of, I, I mean, again,

it's a movie, but I'm-- this might be

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01:13:48,029 --> 01:13:50,809

the record for the fastest engagement,

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01:13:50,939 --> 01:13:51,249

Lizzy: Yes.

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01:13:51,849 --> 01:13:52,909

Yeah, a hundred percent.

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01:13:53,318 --> 01:13:53,619

Yes.

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01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:56,579

I remember not thinking very

much of it the first time that I

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01:13:56,579 --> 01:14:01,039

watched it, but now it's-- she's

literally just "I'll marry you.

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01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:04,269

If y- if, if you're asking,

then I'm saying yes."

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01:14:04,349 --> 01:14:04,829

And

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Katie: Like an hour after they meet.

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01:14:07,229 --> 01:14:07,559

Lizzy: Yeah.

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01:14:07,599 --> 01:14:09,169

I mean, it's pretty amazing.

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01:14:09,169 --> 01:14:12,859

And she, you know, they, they meet

and she's like, "Oh, like jolly

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01:14:12,859 --> 01:14:14,039

nice human, don't you think?"

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01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:20,289

And you can just tell in that mo- like

there's a school of thought And I, I

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01:14:20,289 --> 01:14:26,049

don't necessarily agree completely with

this school of thought, but, there's, you

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01:14:26,049 --> 01:14:31,079

know, at least some probably sprinkles

of truth to it that it's like you tend

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01:14:31,079 --> 01:14:35,449

to marry the person just because you're

at a time and a place in your life where

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01:14:35,449 --> 01:14:37,369

that's just, you're just ready for it.

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01:14:37,419 --> 01:14:39,799

And so the person that's in

front of you then becomes the

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01:14:39,799 --> 01:14:41,129

person you wanna do that with.

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01:14:41,719 --> 01:14:47,659

And I think at least in the context

of this movie, I think that that tends

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01:14:47,659 --> 01:14:51,269

to be true because she kind of already

declared that that's like what she wants.

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01:14:51,729 --> 01:14:55,489

And so after meeting a nice

guy, and he kinda semi-proposes,

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01:14:55,489 --> 01:14:57,329

she's just like, "Well, okay.

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01:14:57,659 --> 01:14:58,449

Let's-- Sure.

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01:14:59,068 --> 01:14:59,579

Let's do it."

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01:15:00,029 --> 01:15:01,439

Katie: Lizzie, what are they gonna do?

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01:15:01,469 --> 01:15:02,839

Their dogs fell in love.

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01:15:02,879 --> 01:15:04,429

W- they, they, they have to get

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01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:04,579

Lizzy: love.

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01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:06,529

Katie: Um...

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01:15:06,649 --> 01:15:07,189

Lizzy: so funny.

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01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:11,109

It-- But it, but it works, honestly,

'cause again, just to feel the storyline,

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01:15:11,109 --> 01:15:14,199

like it's ultimately not really

about like their love, it's the dogs'

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01:15:14,269 --> 01:15:19,044

love, and it all just- It makes-- you

forgive so much of the silliness of the

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01:15:19,044 --> 01:15:23,434

humans just because you recognize that

they're not the stars of this movie.

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01:15:24,169 --> 01:15:26,659

Katie: And from a movie-making

perspective, I guess they needed to get

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01:15:26,659 --> 01:15:29,099

us to the dogs being stolen real quick,

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01:15:29,464 --> 01:15:29,654

Lizzy: Yep.

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01:15:29,984 --> 01:15:30,974

They need to get there quickly.

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01:15:31,099 --> 01:15:31,479

Katie: Yeah.

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01:15:32,009 --> 01:15:32,379

Yeah.

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01:15:32,429 --> 01:15:36,269

So yeah, To be honest, I was kind

of expecting to not love this

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01:15:36,269 --> 01:15:39,199

movie just 'cause I've kinda been

on the-- 'cause it's a kid movie.

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01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:40,318

I didn't really remember it.

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01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:45,979

And I was like, dang, Cruella de

Vil, Glenn Close you know, just the

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01:15:45,979 --> 01:15:48,349

supporting cast, all, every, all of it.

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01:15:48,349 --> 01:15:49,859

It all really worked.

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01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:52,949

There was, a couple things here and

there that it's not like a perfect movie.

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01:15:52,999 --> 01:15:57,009

But, in our look back at

"101 Dalmatians," Glenn Close

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01:15:57,039 --> 01:16:01,989

stole the show, close second

with the puppies, and it

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01:16:02,129 --> 01:16:05,549

is definitely due for

a rewatch, all of you.

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01:16:05,639 --> 01:16:06,949

I, I would highly recommend.

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01:16:06,949 --> 01:16:08,609

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

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01:16:08,999 --> 01:16:11,879

You know, Glenn Close

and adorable puppies.

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01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:14,139

So if you enjoyed this episode, take

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01:16:14,139 --> 01:16:16,879

a quick second, follow if you have not,

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01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:19,818

leave a rating or review

would even be better.

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01:16:20,019 --> 01:16:20,239

Share

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it with a fellow retro fan.

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01:16:22,099 --> 01:16:25,568

You can also reach out with your

thoughts since this is the second to

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01:16:25,568 --> 01:16:28,519

last episode of the John Hughes season.

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01:16:29,089 --> 01:16:29,149

and

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01:16:29,149 --> 01:16:31,479

I could not thank Lizzy more

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01:16:32,029 --> 01:16:37,529

for joining me to look back at '96

fashion and this really cute movie.

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01:16:37,529 --> 01:16:37,749

Do you have

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01:16:37,749 --> 01:16:39,119

any final thoughts?

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01:16:45,209 --> 01:16:48,068

Lizzy: I-- mean, I think it's fun on its

own, but it's also a great family movie.

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01:16:48,309 --> 01:16:48,809

Katie: Good point.

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01:16:49,029 --> 01:16:49,229

Yeah.

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01:16:49,749 --> 01:16:53,849

And Lizzy I genuinely, love podcasting

with you, always appreciate the

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01:16:53,889 --> 01:16:56,568

conversation and your

perspective on things.

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01:16:56,629 --> 01:17:01,059

Is there anything in particular that we

should look forward to on either "Retro

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01:17:01,119 --> 01:17:03,738

Movie Roundtable" or any of your other

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01:17:04,068 --> 01:17:05,829

projects?

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01:17:06,049 --> 01:17:09,749

Lizzy: So I definitely keep up

with Retro Movie Roundtable.

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01:17:09,749 --> 01:17:13,889

I'm a regular guest on the

show, so definitely keep up.

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01:17:13,889 --> 01:17:17,129

Former co-host, had to scale

back a little bit with life,

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01:17:17,229 --> 01:17:19,559

but but I am on there regularly.

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01:17:19,559 --> 01:17:23,419

But the rest of the gang is, is really

fantastic, and those episodes come out

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01:17:23,419 --> 01:17:25,789

weekly, so definitely check that out.

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01:17:26,929 --> 01:17:26,949

Katie: a gem.

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01:17:26,979 --> 01:17:28,159

Yes, I'm a big supporter.

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01:17:28,318 --> 01:17:30,438

I listen to every episode, love the show.

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01:17:30,598 --> 01:17:32,384

So, I concur with Lizzy.

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01:17:32,414 --> 01:17:33,004

Go check it out.

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01:17:33,023 --> 01:17:35,464

And with that, thank you for listening.

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Until next time, be kind, rewind.

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